>>926361

Sources:
Marshal class = Miniatures Handbook, pages 11-13
Human Paragon class = Unearthed Arcana, pages 43-44
Morninglord of Lathander prestige class = Player's Guide to Faerun, pages 67-68
Exemplar prestige class = Complete Adventurer, pages 44-47
Artist feat = Player's Guide to Faerun, page 33
Demonic Skin feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 85
Otherworldly Countenance feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 87
Item Familiar feat = Unearthed Arcana, pages 170-174
Cloak of the Obyrith feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 85
Precognitive Visions feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page
Primordial Scion feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 87
Eyes of the Abyss feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 86
Extraordinary Concentration feat = Complete Adventurer, page 109
Visage of the Deity spell = Spell Compendium, page 231
Improvisation spell = Spell Compendium, page 121
Choir spell = Song and Silence, pages 89-90
Admiral's Bircorne wondrous item = Stormwrack, page 131
Alphorn instrument = Song and Silence, page 42

Ability Scores (25-point buy): Strength 8, Dexterity 8, Constitution 8, Intelligence 12, Wisdom 13, Charisma 18
Ability Scores (after old age): Strength 5, Dexterity 5, Constitution 5, Intelligence 14, Wisdom 15, Charisma 20

This thread is Exhibit A of why D&D players are gigantic faggots.

Why would Lathander want to send everyone fanatical and why would he make someone actively taking abyssal heritage feats with the intent for causing mass insanity into his morninglords?

And then the DM drops a neutronium golem on your head.

But can it roll a Bardic Knowledge to tell us why Apple Jacks don't taste like apples?

>>926381

Frankly, why would Lathander give a shit when he could be tapping Chauntea's deific ass?

>>926381

Technically, Abyssal Heritor feats aren't inherently evil at all, they're just inherently chaotic. You just have to be a Chaotic Good bible thumper of Lathander, and you're good to go. As for WHY you would want to do so, I guess you could do it to prevent an oncoming horde of a million fiends, or something along those lines.

>>926384
One of the ingredients is apple juice, but the cinnamon flavor overrides it..

>>926363

23 ranks in Perform
+16 unnamed (Charisma score of 42: 18 base, +2 old age, +2 human paragon, +5 ability score boosts, +5 ability score tomes, +6 cloak of charisma, +4 visage of the deity)
+16 unnamed (Motivate Charisma, Charisma score of 42)
+10 unnamed (Creative Fire, Morninglord of Lathander)
+23 unnamed (item familiar)
+3 unnamed (Skill Focus [perform])
+2 unnamed (Artist)
+6 unnamed (Otherwordly Countenance, 6 Abyssal Heritor feats)
+5 unnamed (admiral's bicorne)
+30 competence (custom +30 skill ring)
+10 luck (wondrous item of improvisation at caster level 20th at will)
+2 circumstance (wondrous item of choir at caster level 10th at will)
-----
Total Perform bonus = +146 (with Take 10 thanks to Exemplar)

Couldn't you do this MUCH earlier than level 20? 75 people providing accompaniment by using Aid Another can get you a +150 bonus on the check.

>>926402

Now that I think about it, yes, you can in fact whore out Aid Another bonuses. However, I'm just playing it safe by keeping in mind the following caveat:

www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/usingSkills.htm#aidAnother
>In cases where the skill restricts who can achieve certain results you can’t aid another to grant a bonus to a task that your character couldn’t achieve alone.

Put this guy in the invincible borg cube.

I remember reading in one of the Dragon magazines that by making a DC 90 Perform check, the deities request for you to play for them. I can't imagine what would happen if you made a DC 150 check.

>>926465
You'd obviously make the gods Fanatic. And they'll serve YOU.

What the hell is this, Munchkin-fest '08? First the swarm controller, now this, and the day is yet young.

>>926471
Nah, it's just that our resident Touhoufag just so happens to be one hell of a min-maxer.

>>926470
Deities are immune to mind-affecting effects.

>>926471

Run back to your GRIMANDARK.

The only thing stopping this from being a viable build is the fact that it's terribly unoptimized for everything else.

>>926526

Except you basically have a group of fanatics to do your bidding...

>>926526

Well, that's why it's purely theoretical. Just like every other zany plan I post here.

>>926533
A million 1st-level commoners will still fall to a 20th-level wizard.

>>926545
a million is a million ones.

>>926545
But you got the wizard fanatic for you too.

This would actually work best if you had a second bard with an alphorn, since he could then blast his bardic music out to 1d10 miles, effectively buffing your entire horde of fanatics.

So this is like Woodstock for D&D, right?

and thats terrible.

>>926553
...and that's terrible?

>>926594
Yes. And the funny thing is that the guy doing it doesn't even have a single bard level.

>>926599
no, that's mathematics.

>>926609
and that's terrible

Wasn't there some feat that doubles the range of your bardic music? It can't be Ranged Inspiration, because I distinctly remember it being a non-epic feat.

I just thought about something. Everybody in a 1d10 mile radius would suddenly become Fanatic...but for whom? Would they all lead an exodus towards the origin of the sound, and then proceed to worship whoever they found playing the alphorn?

>>926656
You could send out a message by casting Whispering Wind several times in succession.

I love these threads. If people hacked d20 to do fun things like this instead of "AC30 at level 5 hurr so cool," I'd welcome them even more than people who can just roleplay a character well.

>>926402
Doesn't this mean that, according to d20 laws of reality, a modern orchestra played over a microphone is all it takes to make a small town of zealots?

>>926702

Once again, I think the "in cases where the skill restricts who can achieve certain results you can’t aid another to grant a bonus to a task that your character couldn’t achieve alone" caveat applies here. I also think that you can only use Aid Another if you're adjacent to whoever you're helping, which is why the infamous Nanobots build requires you to grow to Colossal size, but I'm not sure where that rule is stated.

>>926693
>I love being a faggot who can't roleplay.

Fixed.

Crossposted to WotC's CharOp boards in the hopes of further improvement: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=14647497

>>926533
But from levels 1-19, you suck complete ass.

>>926772
Maybe I didn't say that clearly enough; all I said was that this stuff is that ludicrous thinking-outside-the-box powergaming is the only kind that I can tolerate outside of a game played primarily through developing personalities. It belongs strictly in the realm of theory unless a character can be made interesting enough to incorporate it in themselves without being made show-stealing and less enjoyable for every other player.

That's why a lot of the things in threads like these tend to give me ideas for unique but still killable antagonists for my campaign, with proper credit to the anonymous that digs all this up.

>>926821
For one, I'd think that a music-loving cleric of Lathander who ironically became more and more demonic as he became a more devout worshipper of Lathander would be a pretty interesting character.

>>926545
He'll be an exception if he doesn't run out of spells after the first wave of 10,000.

>>926835
Rope Trick.

>>926821
Son of a-

I deleted the first version of this posted to clear up the grammar and add a bit more thought in, only to make more mistakes. Oh well.

I just thought of something, possibly even a drawback to this concert to end all concerts- if a DC30 check is all it takes to catch the attention of extraplanar beings, who can you expect to come to a DC150 show?

>>926835

Additionally, the commoners will probably take on the mob template from the Dungeon Master's Guide II, with each individual mob being a CR 8 Gargantuan creature with 30 HD and 48 individual commoners. However, I don't think the alphornmancer will make a million creatures go Fanatic, since even a bigass city like Waterdeep has a population of only 132,661 (663,305 in the summer months).

>>926840
While you're up in the extradimensional space, the other guy will have teleported to another locale and fanaticized everyone there. Now you have an even bigger horde to face.

>>926856
>if a DC30 check is all it takes to catch the attention of extraplanar beings, who can you expect to come to a DC150 show?

Well...

>>926909
>other lesser performers attempt inadequate copies

THIS IS JUST A TRIBUTE, YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME, AND I WISH YOU WERE THERE, JUST A MATTER OF OPINION,

>>926909
Point still stands, if a DC 75 check is all you need to get deities to ask you to play for them, imagine what a DC 150 check can do.

>>926942

Lathander stuffs the performer up his ass in a huge, divine orgasm.

>>926955

With a DC 80 Escape Artist check?

>>926834
Isn't that just a reflavored Drizzt? You know, Chaotic Good with the angst about his heritage thing?

>>926961
If you're stuffing someone else up your own ass, wouldn't a Sleight of Hand roll be more appropriate?
What skill do you use when trying to conceal weapons and items in d20?

>>926909
PHB says a 30 "might" catch the eye of extraplanar beings, but that's probably not so much gods asking for a personal show and more like a horned devil trying to get rid of his old golden fiddle.

>>926998
Sleight of Hand is correct

>>926942
A DC 150 check gets everyone in a 1d10 mile radius fanatic, assuming you have an alphorn. Obviously.

>>926998
Sleight of Hand.

Although nimble fingers are sort of pointless when you're just jamming it in there. I think a god could just use an incredible constitution-based check to swallow them with it.

>>926955
Just a reminder guys, this must NEVER leak over to Deviantart. EVER.

>>926363
PROBLEM: You've just used 8 splatbooks to get your build to work. Enjoy your Rule 0.

>>927026
What if you're the DM?

>>927032
If you're the DM, then you're free to rule that there's a guy who can make everyone in a 1d10 mile radius Fanatic WITHOUT resorting to fucking powergaming.

>>927037

Yeah, but where's the fun in that? It's much more fun if you do it within the RAW.

You all forget something.

Something horrible.
The basis of this , is that it is a SKILL CHECK. It isnt a magical effect, it isnt some feat or something. He's doing a perform check, which is aided by magical aids and sub-skills, but in the end, the final issue is that it's a freaking -skill-.

There's no actual defenses for "LIKING" something. Not even GODS can withstand this. Without DM bs fiat, or something crazy or bs made up to resist this. With only the RAW, this essentially, anyone or everyone who hears this will automatically become his fanatic.

Why? Because it's like the player did an amazing epic speech, only through a freaking song. 150 is crazy.This is not a mind affecting spell. It just happens. A skill.

>>927032

Well, fighting this guy sounds like a neat adventure...

>>927048

>The basis of this , is that it is a SKILL CHECK. It isnt a magical effect, it isnt some feat or something. He's doing a perform check, which is aided by magical aids and sub-skills, but in the end, the final issue is that it's a freaking -skill-.

What's wrong with that? He's the best goddamn horn blower in the world, and he can make everyone go crazy for him. A DC 150 Perform check is no simple task.

>Not even GODS can withstand this.

Technically, gods have immunity to mind-affecting affects, and fanaticism is a mind-affecting effect, so you'd need to take the Music of the Gods epic feat in order to affect deities.

>>927051

Good luck with that, since you're either going to be turned into a fanatic or be forced to fight an army of 100,000+ commoners (2,083+ mobs).

>>927048
>150 is crazy.

DC 150 is HOLY SHIT territory.

This reminds me, did anyone archive the Invincible Invisible Magic Tornado Tower Borg Cube/Monolith thread a week or two back?

So whats the point of that? The character is moronic, unrealistic even in a generic dnd universe and most importantly is absolutely no fun to play.

on another note what other things are DC 150
like with slight of hand could you steal someones intestines without them noticing?

>>927101

It's already here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/873590

And this thread itself seems to have been already archived: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/926361

>>927106

www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/skills.htm

Nothing else seems to be DC 150. The only thing that comes close is walking on a cloud, which takes a DC 120 Balance check.

>>927105
Next you'll tell me that Pun-Pun is moronic, unrealistic even in a generic dnd universe and most importantly is absolutely no fun to play.

>>927135
Is that Layla Prismriver? ZOMG!

>>927155
Pun-Pun is moronic, unrealistic even in a generic dnd universe and most importantly is absolutely no fun to play.

>>927089

DC 30-40 is holy shit territory, depending on how hard you are to shock.

DC 150 is borderline incomprehensible by human minds.

>>926656
Yes, everyone will flock to the source of the sound like a new gaming console just got released, even if that means crossing streams of lava.

You know, I think I can switch out a single cleric level for a level in bard, and two Abyssal Heritor feats for Green Ear and Requeim. That way, I can still get a +140 bonus on the check even without visage of the deity, and I'll be able to affect plants and undead too.

>>927266
Subsonics makes it so that people don't even need to hear you, but that might not be as useful as you'd think.

Hmm, does an alphorn really go out to 1d10 miles in real-life?

>>927266
What is love?

>>927073
>Good luck with that, since you're either going to be turned into a fanatic or be forced to fight an army of 100,000+ commoners (2,083+ mobs).
lol tenescowri.

>>927073
Mind Blank or Third Eye Conceal to protect myself from fanaticism. Rope Trick to pick off the commoner mobs one-by-one.

>>927051
It really would be. The characters would have to infiltrate an entire city set out against them, probably plugging their ears to deafen themselves and pray that their spells don't fail and they can bluff effectively enough to communicate, all while using some form of disguises to interact safely with the fanatics despite being unable to hear them.

To make it all worthwhile, our rock star will probably be sitting atop Olidammara's own lucky charms or something.

Now that I think about it, a 3rd-level bard can use his Inspire Compentence ability to provide a +2 circumstance bonus to a particular skill to an ally within 30 feet, and circumstance bonuses stack. You can easily fit 80 creatures in a 30-foot radius around yourself, so you could conceivably get a +160 circumstance bonus as long as you can convince 80 3rd-level bards to help you out.

>>927440
>probably plugging their ears

Subsonics.

>>927440
Wouldn't he be getting Lathander, not Olidammara (who doesn't exist in the same cosmology), to suck his cock?

>>927388
100,000 raving fanatics could easily build a 30ft. stairway of their own bodies to efficiently stuff seven people in at a time.

The only good way to get these guys would be to raid the city every couple of days on a flaying phantom steed while tossing random fireballs. The Guerrilla warfare would probably last days.

>>927466
How long would it take to beat a horde of 132,661 fanatics, two of which are epic-level wizards?

>>927491
Let me put it this way: you're thoroughly fucked.

>>927457
While I admit I don't know much about settings other than Greyhawk, I assumed it wouldn't be hard to switch around the Morninglord of Lathander to suit whatever setting you were playing.

Actually, this guy should be sitting on a mountain of delicious cake.

>>927449
Once again, all it takes to get a 1d10 mile radius fanatic is a small orchestra with one guy playing an alphorn?

>>927517
Lathander is the sun god in FR, so he's not exactly the equivalent of Olidammara.

>>927371

Something to keep in mind is that this is turning HOSTILE creatures into Fanatics. Reasonably, not every creature within 1d10 miles of you is going to be initially hostile. Use this in most places, and the DC is going to be a lot lower.

>>927601
>Reasonably, not every creature within 1d10 miles of you is going to be initially hostile.

They will be if you're fighting a gigantic army.

There is only one problem with this:
The alphorn is the least cool instrument ever conceived.

>>927615
Makeshift club is made for clubing and blowing.

>>927615
How is getting everyone in a 1d10 mile radius Fanatic NOT cool?

By the way, I should point out that you're perfectly free to switch out Artist for Harem Trained from Races of Faerun, just so you can say that you were raised up to be a pimp (or whore if you have -4 Strength).

>>927615
That's the world's greatest pipe, though.

>>927609
I can see it now.

"No! I must kill the demons" he shouted
The radio said "No, John. You are the--"
*Alphorn sounds*
"No, demons. You are the fanatics."

>>926942
DC 150 makes all of the gods and cosmic entities of the world willing to GATTAI and pierce the heavens for your cause.

>>927048
>>927283

Just as you start playing, everyone within 1d10 miles is struck deaf by the sheer power of your music.

>>927728

Subsonics and Requiem it is, then.

>>927491
That's 2,763 CR 8 mobs not including certain special NPCs. According to this calculator, http://home.woh.rr.com/edara/Adventures/encounter_calculator.html, that should be an EL 30.9 encounter.

Wait until all the 15 year old humans start begging their parents for fucking alphorns.

This is a DYSTOPIA PEOPLE.

>>927615
I honestly can't imagine any musical depth from that instrument to carry the message "KILL AND DIE FOR MY HOLY CAUSE." I can barely even imagine it saying "okay that loud pipe-blowing fucker isn't that bad of a guy after all."

>>927048
A crazy *alphorn* song.

>>927839
When will they have time to beg for anything but just one more aural glimpse upon the true glory of the gods?

>>927540

Even better than that; you can persuade them that you'll pay them AFTER the recital...

>>927860
Bonus points, make the 80 level 3 bards *all* polka specialists using the tuba.

>>927844
At DC 150, it's supposedly borderline supernatural, only it's not.

>>927839
Lathander is going to be the new 'hip' god, and the alphorn shall be his new holy symbol.

>>927897
So, with an Alphorn, you're emulating the presence of Giygas.

>>927897
So it's the Weeaboo Fightan Magic kind of (Ex)?

>>927832
Our alphornmancer can sure gather up an epic-level army...

>>927941
I know what you're doing and just...just don't.

Besides, inconceivable talent is different from "SERENADE OF THE SUN AND MOON, FOCHLUCAN STYLE!" or something of the sort.

DM creative solution:

You cause an ALPHORN fucking riot. Every kid and twenty-something buys a fucking alphorn. Everywhere you go you hear alphorns. You can't amplify your noise above theirs due to the alphorn cacophany going day and night.

>>927965
Subsonics. Nobody needs to hear your song in order to go fanatic.

is there any way to amplify an instrument to a ten mile radius that ISN'T an alphorn? like... a guitar?

>>927971
Sorry, alphorn or bust.

>>927971
Inventing an 11th level spell to do that with any instrument would be kind of funny.

>>927967
Deaf to all but the song～

>>928035

>>927965
>>927967

I really have to rework the build so that I can squeeze in a single bard level for Subsonics and Requiem.

>>928035

Night sparrow, etc.

Human Bard 1/Marshal 1/Cleric 5/Human Paragon 3/Morninglord of Lathander 10

[Character Level ～ Class Taken ～ Feat(s) Taken]
1 ～ Bard ～ Artist, Improved Turning, Otherwordly Countenance, Skill Focus (perform), [two flaws]
2 ～ Marshal
3 ～ Cleric ～ Item Familiar
4 ～ Cleric
5 ～ Cleric
6 ～ Cleric ～ Requiem
7 ～ Human Paragon
8 ～ Human Paragon ～ Green Ear
9 ～ Human Paragon ～ Subsonics
10 ～ Morninglord of Lathander
11 ～ Morninglord of Lathander
12 ～ Morninglord of Lathander ～ Extraordinary Concentration
13 ～ Morninglord of Lathander
14 ～ Morninglord of Lathander
15 ～ Morninglord of Lathander ～ Demonic Skin
16 ～ Morninglord of Lathander
17 ～ Morninglord of Lathander
18 ～ Morninglord of Lathander ～ Cloak of the Obyrith
19 ～ Morninglord of Lathander
20 ～ Cleric

>>928106

Sources:
Marshal class = Miniatures Handbook, pages 11-13
Human Paragon class = Unearthed Arcana, pages 43-44
Morninglord of Lathander prestige class = Player's Guide to Faerun, pages 67-68
Artist feat = Player's Guide to Faerun, page 33
Otherworldly Countenance feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 87
Item Familiar feat = Unearthed Arcana, pages 170-174
Requiem feat = Libris Mortis, page 29
Green Ear feat = Complete Adventurer, page 110
Subsonics feat = Complete Adventurer, page 112
Extraordinary Concentration feat = Complete Adventurer, page 109
Demonic Skin feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 85
Cloak of the Obyrith feat = Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, page 85
Visage of the Deity spell = Spell Compendium, page 231
Improvisation spell = Spell Compendium, page 121
Choir spell = Song and Silence, pages 89-90
Divine Insight spell = Spell Compendium, page 70
Admiral's Bircorne wondrous item = Stormwrack, page 131
Alphorn instrument = Song and Silence, page 42

Ability Scores (25-point buy): Strength 8, Dexterity 8, Constitution 8, Intelligence 12, Wisdom 13, Charisma 18
Ability Scores (after old age): Strength 5, Dexterity 5, Constitution 5, Intelligence 14, Wisdom 15, Charisma 20

>>928107

23 ranks in Perform
+16 unnamed (Charisma score of 42: 18 base, +2 old age, +2 human paragon, +5 ability score boosts, +5 ability score tomes, +6 cloak of charisma, +4 visage of the deity)
+16 unnamed (Motivate Charisma, Charisma score of 42)
+10 unnamed (Creative Fire, Morninglord of Lathander)
+23 unnamed (item familiar)
+3 unnamed (Skill Focus [perform])
+2 unnamed (Artist)
+3 unnamed (Otherwordly Countenance, 3 Abyssal Heritor feats)
+5 unnamed (admiral's bicorne)
+30 competence (custom +30 skill ring)
+10 luck (wondrous item of improvisation at caster level 20th at will)
+2 circumstance (wondrous item of choir at caster level 10th at will)
+15 insight (divine insight)
+4 morale (greater heroism)
-----
Total Perform bonus = +162

>>927967

Subsonics are still waveform movements of the air. Get enough OTHER alphorn subsonics and you'll be droned out.

tnx, wave theory.

>>928112
You need 10 ranks in Perform and the bardic music ability to take Subsonics. Unless everybody in the country is a 7th-level bard, it's not happening.

>>928112
There's still absolutely nothing in the rules that say that your Perform check will somehow fail just because of that. It's just Rule 0 you're bringing in.

>>928166

At least my rule 0 makes them a Beatles "Bigger than Jesus" or an Elvis of the alphorn.

The entry for epic skill checks doesn't specify the action type required for Perform checks, but we'll just assume that it works like Diplomacy for now. That means it takes a one-minute performance for it to work, but you can also opt to take a -10 penalty to shorten the check down to a full-round action. With a +164 bonus to the check, we can afford to take the -10 penalty and even roll a natural 1 on the check, and everyone in a 1d10 mile radius will still go Fanatic.

>>928195
You still have to explain why everybody in the country is a 7th-level bard with Subsonics.

>>928234
It was the subliminal alphorn music fad of [insert year], alright?

what if a bard played the brown noise on an alphorn...

>>928246

Damn it, you beat me to it.

>>928246


incoming shitstorm


......wait

>>928246
I don't think it's possible to do it with an alphorn. If it is, then good job, you now have a literally shitstorming horde of fanatics.

>>928267

correct, sort of. The Brown Noise would have no effect at the subsonic level, as it is the actual frequency that it vibrates through you at that makes you shit bricks.

it would work on anything in audible distance though, which for an alphorn is probably at least a half a mile from the lungs of a healthy skilled bard.

I should also add that since Fanaticism lasts for 1 day + 1 day per Charisma bonus, each person you enthrall will stay like that for 17 days, allowing you to teleport from city to city, fanaticizing more and more people to add to your horde.

>>928035
Actually, it'd be the reverse. You'd hear everything BUT the song.

>>928111
>Total Perform bonus = +162

Jesus.

>>928324

You'd be surprised at how easy it is to rape the d20 system.

>>928348
All it takes is 4-5 books, several magazines, and a DM held down and strapped to a desk, with a power drill poised over his ass should he attempt to say no.

>>928365

No need for any magazines, actually, just 10 splatbooks and your core books.

>Strength 5, Dexterity 5, Constitution 5
Lol good luck with that.

>>928389
Purely theoretical, etc.

Anyway, one last thing before I gb2/bed/: once you hit epic levels, take Ranged Inspiration and then Music of the Gods as your first two epic feats. That way, your range will be extended to 2d10 miles, and you'll be able to affect those normally immune to mind-affecting effects (even with the virtual +10 to the Perform DC).

>>928348

d20 system's a slut anyway.

>>926835
Nothing can beat a mage lvl 20 with reasonable built.
Of course, this includes divination spells.