>Some of you may remember the discussion a week or so ago about optimizing housecats to kill their peasant archnemesises even harder.

Didn't that thread get archived? The best idea we came up with was the incarnum-powered CR 1/4 housecat:

>Because the CharOp board also needs to get hold of the idea: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15306842

>A housecat has the following ability score modifiers: -8 Strength, +4 Dexterity, +0 Constitution, -8 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, -4 Charisma. We can give a housecat the nonelite array without increasing its CR, and we'll assign 11 Strength, 12 Dexterity, 13 Constitution, 10 Intelligence, 9 Wisdom, and 8 Charisma. Thus, a housecat with the nonelite array distribution as given above would have the following ability scores: 3 Strength, 16 Dexterity, 13 Constitution, 2 intelligence, 11 Wisdom, 4 Charisma.

>Using Unearthed Arcana's flaw system, we can give the housecat the Meager Fortitude and Weak-Willed flaws so that it gets two free bonus feats. With three feat slots to spend, we can make the housecat take Shape Soulmeld (Airstep Sandals), Shape Soulmeld (Dissolving Spittle), and Shape Soulmeld (Soulspark Familiar). This gives it a fly speed of 10 feet with good maneuverability, a spit attack which deals 1d6 acid damage upon a successful ranged touch attack with a range of 60 feet as a standard action at will, and a useful familiar which is also a formidable combatant when compared to the housecat.

>So yeah, it's a min-maxed flying housecat that can spit acid and has its own pseudo-familiar. And it's still technically a CR 1/4 housecat. Make of it what you will

>>1361706

That'd be the one, but I dont have the incarnum book. And, a cat that can steal your mind is just kind of awesome.

that is awesome.

now make the cat undead so he can rule FOREVER

>>1361706
I loled hard at the image of that house cat

>>1361715

Ah, but he's not evil. He's just a self-centered dick, aka a cat.

emperor of cats, you say?

>>1361715
awakened psion houscat lich?

>>1361727

Get that mess out of here!

>Now, take the spell Awaken. Gives an animal 3d6 INT and +1d3 CHA. Take the metamagics Empower and Maximize. Applying them both, you get a cat with 27 intelligence and +5 Charisma.

Actually, you'd have to apply Empower and Maximize separately:

www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#maximizeSpell
>An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus one-half the normally rolled result.

So you'd only get (18 + (3d6 * 1.5)) Intelligence and +(3 + (1d3 * 1.5)) Charisma.

Now, the problem with this plan is that awakened housecats have no listed level adjustment, so the DM is perfectly free to assign a high LA to you. Of course, if you're actually the DM, then you can do whatever the fuck you want with the LA.

>>1361737

Ah. But see my earlier note. New DM. LA = Lolwut?, and 100+ gnolls with class levels is a perfectly legit level 10 encounter.

So wait, a Cat Wizard's familiar could also be its buddy/relative?

>>1361737

>So you'd only get (18 + (3d6 * 1.5)) Intelligence and +(3 + (1d3 * 1.5)) Charisma.

Sorry, please correct that to (18 + (3d6 * 0.5)) Intelligence and +(3 + (1d3 * 0.5)) Charisma.

>>1361744
LA=Level Adjustment.
If you have an LA of 1 with a 1st level character then you're a 2nd level character for determining xp.

>>1361800

No, no. I see my grammatical mistake here. I'm doing this character WITH a first-time DM, not AS one. Now reread that first bit to get my meaning.

>>1361785
* 1.5 is correct
With *0.5 you would cut it in half

>>1361819

You're supposed to cut that one in half, reread it.

>>1361819

No, because you have to apply Empower Spell and Maximize Spell separately. For example, Wings of Flurry at caster level 20th does 20d6 damage, an Empowered Wings of Flurry at caster level 20th does 30d6 damage, a Maximized Wings of Flurry at caster level 20th does 120 damage, and an Empowered Maximized Wings of Flurry at caster level 20th does 120+10d6 damage.

may have already been said, but the unawakened cat would need an int/whatever of 10 + power level to manifest the power, i think. maybe psionics are different, iono.

>>1361840

The variant on Wild Talent I saw in the original thread never said anything about an INT requirement for its innate power they get from Wild Talent..

You know whats sick? Mind Thrust. Lol Level-d10 un-DR-able nonelemental damage.

>>1361839
>>o.O

Does the side that the pork eye is on change?

>Now, take the spell Awaken. Gives an animal 3d6 INT and +1d3 CHA. Take the metamagics Empower and Maximize. Applying them both, you get a cat with 27 intelligence and +5 Charisma. Can somebody say "Spellcaster"? Hes starting our campaign at level ten, so I've been able to boost said intelligence to 32. Let me repeat this. At level 1 I had a character with 27 intelligence, and at level 10 I have one with 32. Turns out optimization of stupid things can lead to crazy-ass broken characters.

Holy FUCK, your DM is retarded. I've never DMed before and even I know that that's one fucking broken character.

>>1362032

Like I said. Retarded first time DM, and I'm breaking him in.

>>1361840
>>1361850

Hidden Talent, not Wild Talent. You only need 11 Charisma to manifest the 1st-level psionic power you get from Hidden Talent, and an unawakened housecat can conceivably reach 11 Charisma using 15-point buy, even with its -2 racial penalty to Charisma. Still, the incarnum-powered unawakened housecat is in every way superior to the psionic unawakened housecat, because Shape Soulmeld (Airstep Boots), Shape Soulmeld (Dissolving Spittle), and Shape Soulmeld (Soulspark Familiar) last all day long and can be used at will, as opposed to the daily limitations of the 1st-level psionic power from Hidden Talent.

>>1362072

I know, but I dont have the Incarnum book, like I said, so I couldnt make a character around it.

>>1362088

Well, just to give you an idea of what the incarnum-powered housecat can do, Shape Soulmeld (Airstep Boots) gives it a fly speed of 10 feet with good maneuverability, Shape Soulmeld (Dissolving Spittle) lets it deal 1d6 acid damage as a ranged touch attack with a range of 30 feet as a standard action at will, and Shape Soulmeld (Soulspark Familiar) gives it a 2 HD Least Soulspark that can fly at 30 feet with perfect maneuverability and deal 1d4+1 untyped damage as a ranged attack with a range of 5 feet. If the housecat swaps out Shape Soulmeld (Soulspark Familiar) for Azure Toughness instead, it can invest the 1 essentia into either the Airstep Boots to give it a fly speed of 20 feet with good maneuverability or the Dissolving Spittle to increase the acid damage to 2d6.

You can download an OCRed PDF of Magic of Incarnum here, by the way: http://theisleofkev.com/dnd/books/Magic%20of%20Incarnum%20[OCR].pdf

>>1362143
>>Well, just to give you an idea of what the child posting pork eye can do, I'll go ahead and cut and paste you some infinite quarterstaff bullshit with a kid picture.

When you're doing max empowered only the original die roll is maxed, you still have to roll the extra dice from empower. Says in the book

>>1362465

We've been over this. OP here. Hasn't this thread died like three times?

>>1362161
Why the hell hasn't this guy been banned yet?

>>1362474
Because it's every anons right to bitch about shitty anime?

>>1362474
>Not enough people reporting him I guess.

>>1362487

Why sage a halfway decent thread cause of one person?

>>1362495
I'm going to have to step in and point out at this point that "HURR HURR Lets teach someone who's taking their time to run a game that they should have never let me play" is *not* even halfway to decentopia.