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    78 KB Big Monsters are Too Big Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:43 No.1786183  
    Remember dinosaurs? Maybe you're too young to, but I'll tell you something about them. You could hold a dinner party inside of an iguanodon. Sure, it was crowded, but goddamn they're thirty feet long. That's like a room and a half.

    Now, I'm sure you think that's big, but I doubt you understand what big means. It means you can't kill it. At least not with swords or fireballs.

    We're talking monsters with leg bones so thick, you could drop them from ten feet and crack asphalt. We're not even talking in pounds anymore, we're talking in tons, that's how goddamn big they are. And you think a couple paper cuts or singes will get them to even notice you?

    I know some of you have seen silly films or read silly books, and are going to say that a big monster can be killed, and fairly easily at that, but you're out of your goddamn mind. You probably think a single arrow through a missing scale can kill a dragon.

    So, let me tell you straight. Stop using big monsters as anything short of party killers. Sure, the miniature can fit in the palm of your hand, but you could fit in the palm of theirs, if they're goddamn civilized enough to have palms. Which most are not.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:45 No.1786187
    >goddamn they're thirty feet long.
    /r/ing Iguanodon EXTREME AD
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:47 No.1786190
    awesome
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:49 No.1786199
    The More You Know.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:51 No.1786207
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:54 No.1786218
    >>1786207

    NUKE IT FROM ORBIT.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:55 No.1786225
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    If it bleeds, we can kill it.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)11:57 No.1786231
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    >>1786225
    This thread is now about Soldat.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:04 No.1786253
    >>1786183
    >You could hold a dinner party inside of an iguanodon. Sure, it was crowded, but goddamn they're thirty feet long.

    Vore? I'm fapping...
    >> Dichotomy 05/21/08(Wed)12:07 No.1786266
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    >>1786231
    No, this thread is about Arnold. He is a monster that is too big.
    >> Dichotomy 05/21/08(Wed)12:10 No.1786276
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    Obligatory.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:12 No.1786283
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    >>1786266
    It's now about silly British dinner parties.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:18 No.1786299
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    >>1786183
    >You could hold a dinner party inside of an iguanodon.

    Hah. Maybe if you used those terribly innacurate models from the 1800's. In reality, youd be hardpressed to comofrtably fit even a few people into the torso cavity of an adult Iguanodon. A very large part of its length is neck and tail (like most dinosaurs).

    And at an estimated weight of 5-ish tons, the creature is only about the weight of a smaller-mid sized elephant. Predatory dinosaurs only got a little larger, but didn't really exceed 9 or 10 tons.

    In reality, most dinosaurs weren't THAT big. Sauropods (long necked plant eaters like seismosaurus, apatosaurus, or diplodocus) did get really big, but the AVERAGE dinosaur was about the size of a small pony, and the "bigger" ones were usually no larger than a rhino or elephant.


    And Humans have killed animals that big before in the form of Mastadon. Using only pointed sticks, rocks, and other pre-bronze age tools and weapons.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:19 No.1786305
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    Legolas shooting a 2,5' arrow through 1' of skin, fat and muscle and 2' of bone and the arrow still stands out 1' from the oliphants skull.

    Like that would stop it.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:20 No.1786311
    >>1786299
    Yeah, so UP YOURS, OP!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:21 No.1786314
    >>1786283
    This thread is now about this thread is now about
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:23 No.1786325
    >>1786283
    Rah-thur!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:27 No.1786342
    >>1786325

    I would like a baNAHner.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:28 No.1786343
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    Buncha slack jawed faggots up in here.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:30 No.1786355
    >>1786343

    Don't you mean, "bloody wayn-kahs"?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:31 No.1786357
    Valid points, all. After looking at that Magnathorax image, a thought came to me. A creature of that size is large enough to support it's own ecosystem. There are probably parasites and symbiotes that live off not only the creature, but the various plants and fungi growing on the creature's skin and in it's digestive tract. Imagine this as a campaign setting. You're living on a monster. Or even better, your party is adventuring around, and then chase the BBEG into a deep cavern underground.
    Eventually they notice a bad smell, a change in the textures around them. Maybe there's a pit trap of some sort, or they go through a mystic portal. In any case, they eventually come to terms with the fact that they have been spending the last four hours living on/in a Gargantuan-size creature that the BBEG is attempting to awaken/control. In the course of the adventure, the creature awakens and begins to head toward civilization.

    It doesn't have to be living, it could be a gigantic construct of some sort. Like one of the quadrupedal Colossi from Shadow Of The Colossus. Or an even larger version of the city-stomping battering ram from Elder Scrolls Oblivion. Either way, unless the PCs do something (blinding/deafening the beast, disabling it's legs, going on an epic internal quest to shove the Paladin's Ice Brand into the giant beating heart, etc) the BBEG mobile deathbeast will stomp the countryside into ruins and shit out the populace in great steaming piles.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:32 No.1786363
    >>1786357

    Good idea is good. I'm going to do this next campaign.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:37 No.1786392
    Continuing >>1786357

    There main adversaries as the players traverse the anatomy of the deathbeast would be the aforementioned parasites and such, possibly evolutionary branches of existing species that have learned to use the monster for sustenance and protection. Maybe in the forests of the creature's fur lives packs of Warg 'fleas' survive by chewing into the monster's hide, or they subsist on other symbiants. Giant mosquitos drink its blood, or a hive of giant bees live in the caverns of it's ear.
    There may also be a race of beings that have lived in or on the beast for centuries, aware of it's living status or not. They may be allies (They're shocked that their 'island' is about to lay waste to a coastal city), or they may be trying to stop the PCs from killing everything they know.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:39 No.1786409
    >>1786357
    A creature that big would probably have multiple hearts.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:42 No.1786428
    >>1786409
    PCs dont need to know that though
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:43 No.1786442
    Continuing from >>1786357 and >>1786392

    If it's a construct, it might have been used as lodging anyway. In FF9, the city of Alexandria turned out to be the physical manifestation of Alexander, a giant-ass summon monster. Maybe that temple is the control center for a landscape-encompassing Golem that's been lacking a significant control gem for the past millenia.

    Also: Your BBEG a necromancer? The entire thing is a massive SKELETON of a once-living gargantuan, or the corpse of a long-slain diety! Imagine the PC's surprise on their quest for the Eye of Vecna when they discover that the legendary relic is the size of a fukken BOULDER!

    Goddammit, I hate it when this happens! >_< That tears it, if my buddy isn't ready to DM by next week, I'm using this shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:44 No.1786445
    >>1786357
    this is only one step away from having the players figure out someway to invade the monster's brain, taking it over, and having themselves a super awesome monster ride
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:47 No.1786466
    >>1786183
    >>I know some of you have seen silly films or read silly books, and are going to say that a big monster can be killed, and fairly easily at that, but you're out of your goddamn mind. You probably think a single arrow through a missing scale can kill a dragon.

    Who the fuck shoots a fireball.

    If I'm fighting big monsters, I can actually swing a sword and cut through a building, that's how powerful I am. If I'm a wizard, I can drain the soul of the monster, size doesn't matter.

    In short, 7/10
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:48 No.1786472
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    Fuck your big monsters
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:49 No.1786475
    >>1786442 >_<
    GTFO
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:51 No.1786486
    If they are huge, that means they have huge guts.

    RIP AND TEAR

    RIP AND TEAR THEIR GUTS
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:52 No.1786492
    >>1786466

    Think about the saves on a monster with that many hit dice, THEN try and drain its soul.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:54 No.1786505
    >>1786492
    "thinks about saves"
    Yep, that reflex/will save sure is low.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:57 No.1786528
    >>1786505

    Ok, so it's only +85 instead of +150. What's your point?

    Even if its base saves follow the +2/+0/+0 progression and its dex mod is zero, something with 450 hit dice (I'm being conservative) is going to have a BASE reflex save of over +100. That goes for Will, too.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:58 No.1786529
    You know humans in real life have killed elephants and freaking WHALES with hand held(thrown) weapons right?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)12:59 No.1786536
    >>1786409
    Multiple everything, probably. Multiple lungs and breathing orifices (blowholes with or without mouth) because oxygenating the ocean of blood within would require it to be breathing constantly. Maybe wierd 'air-gills' growing on its surface. Multiple upper digestive tracts maybe, since one mouth wouldn't be able to eat enough. This may mean multiple 'heads'. A central brain may exist somewhere, but it would be relatively small compared to the Nerve Centers in it's hips/legs as found in the larger sauropods.

    Actually, the death of such a thing would take hours even after you take out the brains or the hearts. The redundant systems would keep it moving, but by the time the brain-impulses stops telling the hearts to beat, and, and then the time it takes for the blood to stop flowing... it boggles the mind.

    This is why the construct idea is so much simpler (not to mention, shall I say, 'believeable'). The calorie requirements would be huge, unless the beast is also very magical. Granted, it could be that it's ecosystem-like anatomy means that it's food requirements are mostly met digesting smaller monsters that live in it's digestive system. And any PCs that fall into the various 'acid pits' inside the 'dungeon'.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:00 No.1786541
    >>1786529
    In before Captain Ahab Kills Girl's Boyfriend MSPaint comic.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:03 No.1786553
    >>1786536
    A symbiotic creature that feeds off of its ecosystem in return for "protecting" them, its believable enough in a fantasy setting.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:03 No.1786560
    >>1786536
    I remember doing something very similar in Ocarina of Time...

    Regardless, I was going to run a game (but plans fell though) in which there where giant creatures both on land, sea and air that, while not so big to be continental, where large enough for towns and forts - much like in Mortal Engines the leaders of these places would provoke their 'steeds' into attack others and while the beast fed on the fallen towns flesh the populace would loot and fight skermishes.

    So... Godzilla battles meets the love-child of The Battle of Stalingrad and Shadow of the Colossus.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:08 No.1786581
    >>1786183
    Well played, Anonymous, although a little bit too reminiscent of the katana copypasta.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:09 No.1786584
    >>1786560
    That's... awesome!

    I mean, these smaller creatures, while still gigantic enough to have a castle on its back could still be flying though the smaller neck-spines of this larger monster. living like Plover birds on crocodiles.
    >> Chaotic Cleric 05/21/08(Wed)13:09 No.1786591
    >>1786529
    For a creature that I've been suggesting, this thing has elephant-sized turds. On a small turd day. It's a creature so big that it's 'cells' are multicellular. A spear might be able to pierce it's eye, but it might not go all the way through. You'd just give it an astigmatism, and possibly a nasty infection. You could probably cut a big chunk out of the eye surface, and then put a bunch of rats inside. Fastest method of blinding the thing, I think.


    Also, I'm going to start using the name I was back when I started posting.
    Anyway, most of it's antibodies and symbiotics could be existing monsters adjusted. Gelatinous cubes clean it's scales, or maybe there are giant insects that break it's food down into easier-to-digest chunks the size of people. Occasionally while traversing the countryside the massivebeast takes a bite out of a forest, providing it's gargantuan bulk with Vitamin C, as well as mineral deposits in the soil.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:10 No.1786593
    >>1786584
    And these larger creatures could live inside the digestive track of an even LARGER creature, called a "Dunjin Mastah"

    And then the players realize they've been trekking around in your colon for the past month.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:11 No.1786602
    >>1786593
    digestive tract, sorry.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:12 No.1786609
    >>1786528
    epic spellcasting cycles to infinity. monster looses.
    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)13:18 No.1786655
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    >>1786655
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:29 No.1786736
    Malfeas in Exalted is an unimaginably huge city that is actually constructed out of the body of a Primordial.
    >> Chaotic Cleric 05/21/08(Wed)13:47 No.1786860
    Now here's a problem. Suppose I'm going to use this idea in a campaign. With beginners to roleplaying, and a 1st level starting point. I'd allude to the BBEG's master plan after the first main 'story' quest, sure. Make a few 'The Sleeper Will Awaken' notations, possibly allude to it in a prophesy or sacred text. At what level should the players actually board/awaken/accidentally activate the Gargantuan? It's an epic monster, but that doesn't mean Epic-level feats and magic will be needed to defeat it.
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    >>1786655
    >>1786711
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)13:55 No.1786940
    >>1786591
    Rather than throw a spear and put rats in the hole, cut open a hole and climb in. Tunnel your way through, follow the retina cord, follow it to the brain, and it's time for a squishy boxing match.
    >> Chaotic Cleric 05/21/08(Wed)13:59 No.1786966
    >>1786940
    Eyeballs are notoriously filled with goop. Granted, it'd probably be much more fluid in a creature this size, as a dense goop would be blinding. Assuming you made the cut in the lower portion of the eye, and made it deep enough to go through several layers of lenses, you could drain the eye and then proceed with the retinal tunneling and brain-punching.

    Knowledge (Anatomy) skill FTW.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:00 No.1786975
    >>1786940
    "...aaaand, in this corner, wearing the striped red and blue, the raining champEEN, it's THE MONSTER'S BRAIN!" *local cells go wild*
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:03 No.1786994
    >>1786966
    Take two daggers and scale your way along the side.
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    >>1786299
    >size of a small pony
    >> Chaotic Cleric 05/21/08(Wed)14:04 No.1786999
    Just because I love this idea so much, a higher-level campaign would concern the awakening of such a sleeper by the BBEG. The PCs would attempt to stop it, fail due to the massive difference in size, and then be forced to stop the BBEG by awakening a gargantuan sleeper of their own.

    In a surprise twist, when the two walking ecosystems meet up, they begin a gigantic albeit slow combat. After a few small blows taking weeks, one mounts the other and starts making with the hot monster dickings.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:05 No.1787012
    yeah , now I have the grewatest idea,basicly you know how most genisis-storys got something about a god, Who when He died became the earth?

    now one day a bunch of adventurers finds a deep deep deep cavern which leads to a humongus dome filled with strange gray matter and electrical static.
    dum dum duuuuu
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:06 No.1787018
    >>1786999

    Big things being slow makes no sense. Bacteria see you as big, but you move really, really fast from their perspective. Similarly, these things should be able to move proportionally as fast as the creatures they mimic. Depending upon creature size, we're talking about "punches" accompanied by sonic booms.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:08 No.1787032
    >>1787018
    Flies move ridiculously fast. Conversely, elephants and giant land tortoises take forever to get anywhere.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:12 No.1787062
    >>1787032
    Elephants are a lot faster than you think. They were ridden into war with the speed and power to trample heavy cavalry.

    Now are you going to tell us how amazingly slow killer whales or large sharks swim? Or how Clydesdales are slower than smaller mules? Maybe about how greyhounds aren't as fast as chihuahuas. Come on.

    big != slow.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:16 No.1787079
    >>1787032
    Housefly flying speed: 4.5 miles per hour. Elephant running speed: 25 miles per hour.

    You were saying?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:22 No.1787116
    >>1787062
    fast =/= reflex!

    Big things are fast in terms of linear speed, but to change direction or reaction time? Terrible. Terrible reflex saves.
    >> Da Boss Loota !!jjTJ3iecc1N 05/21/08(Wed)14:23 No.1787123
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    This thread is now about the biggest big monster of them all.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:27 No.1787137
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:27 No.1787144
    >>1787116
    It depends on the thing.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:29 No.1787154
    >>1787079

    Elephant running speed - 25 mph
    Cheetah running speed - 70-75 mph

    Remind me which is the biggest, again?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:29 No.1787155
    >>1787144
    Not really. F=ma

    Acceleration = reflex.

    Mass increases with volume which increases cubicly as you grow in size. Force, however, does not increase nearly as fast with size. Acceleration decreases as you get larger.

    LRN2NEWTON
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:30 No.1787158
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    just dumping any giant-monster related images i have now
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:30 No.1787159
    >>1787154
    Cheetahs can outrun buses and some older, shittier cars.

    But yes, having all that extra mass does limit an elephant's agility somewhat. GRAVITY etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:30 No.1787164
    >>1787079

    It's the size-to-speed ratio we are talking about here. Sure a housefly is slower than an elephant; but if we were to enlarge the fly to the size of an elephant while keeping it's size-to-speed ratio it would move as fast as a fucking jet fighter.

    A gargantuan creature would probably walk a lot faster than a human, but it's size-to-speed ratio would be really fucking low.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:31 No.1787168
    >>1787154
    Your mother
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:32 No.1787172
    >>1787164
    That's not quite fair either. Things get weird when you're really small. Ants can lift ten times their own body weight. Name any other, "normal" sized animal that can do that.
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:33 No.1787186
    >>1787172
    see
    >>1787155
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    running...out...of big ass creatures
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    >> Chaotic Cleric 05/21/08(Wed)14:41 No.1787242
    >>1787018
    >>1787062
    The idea of it moving slow is mostly from a campaign standpoint. If it takes you an hour or three to traverse the width of the back of a giant wolf-beast, for instance, you'll never kill the brain in time to stop the thing from reaching the Kingdom Of Goodness before you can take it out.

    The mention of taking 'weeks' to exchange blows is just gross exaggeration. However, that being said, a gigantic monster that moves slowly is:
    Easier to hold on to. A giant fast-moving thing would buck you off without even trying.
    Easier to stop. A fast-moving monster would swat you like you were nothing more than another one of those giant mosquitos that feed off it.

    Of course, if it were a monster-vs-monster game, faster monsters make sense. In that situation, the players fail to prevent the gargantuan from taking out the castle of King Goodbody. The BBEG then has his monster sit on the capital, while sending threats to the surrounding kingdoms that they're next unless they surrender to him. In the meantime, the party urgently searches for another gargantuan to fight the other giant beast.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:45 No.1787269
    >>1787242
    >>easier to hold on to
    unless, of course, its so large that the winds where you are happen to be very strong

    >>easier to stop
    Can one of the smarter fa/tg/uys use newtons laws to show him how much force would be required for this "easy" stop
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:48 No.1787281
    >>1787269
    He meant stop as in "stop it from destroying whatever it's going to destroy"
    >> Chaotic Cleric 05/21/08(Wed)14:52 No.1787307
    >>1787269
    I'm not saying that it would be 'easy' to stop. I'm saying that if the thing is capable of defending itself against you (rather than relying on it's mindless parasites/symbiotes as was previously mentioned) by simply plucking you off it's skin, then being a fast-moving behemoth would allow it to kill the PCs off far too quickly.
    I'm on your side, this thing should be nearly unstoppable. It's no longer in the realm of nature, it's a fucking force of nature. The PCs are basically fleas against it. Granted, intelligent fleas that are trying to outright kill it by stopping the heart and rupturing the brain.
    >> Chaotic Cleric 05/21/08(Wed)14:53 No.1787315
    Fuck, and now I have to leave for work. Can someone archive this thread? It's full of epic continent-versus-continent win.
    >> Da Boss Loota !!jjTJ3iecc1N 05/21/08(Wed)14:55 No.1787327
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:56 No.1787329
    >>1787315
    I save a lot of threads I like. I have about 30 from /tg/. Sometime I'll make them into one big zip file and put them on rapidshare.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:57 No.1787343
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    One of da best giant creatures out thar
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:58 No.1787353
    >>1787343
    In before the one that was a floating octahedron.

    Shit, what was the name again?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)14:59 No.1787358
    >>1787353
    Satchiel
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:00 No.1787363
    >>1787358
    Ramiel

    AKA THE AWESOME ONE.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:00 No.1787364
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    >>1787358
    teh third angel
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:01 No.1787368
    >>1787363
    Satchiel > Ramiel
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:03 No.1787379
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    >>1786183
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:03 No.1787381
    >>1787368
    Ramiel was fucking win.

    Someone post the gifs and prove me right. Come on.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:04 No.1787384
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    Hail to the king.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:05 No.1787392
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    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)15:07 No.1787401
    >>1787392
    Dammit Loki, why is it all your crotchspawn grow up to be monsterous godkillers?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:07 No.1787403
    >>1787392
    my those are some small threads holding it down and mounds of dirt in the background.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:08 No.1787414
    >>1786860
    It depends entirely on hwo you want to handle it. If the pc's are to fight it directly then definitely epic.

    If not you can come up wiht dozens of ways to kill it.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:10 No.1787426
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    >>1787384
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:10 No.1787430
    >>1787403
    Those "small threads" are the strongest tethers ever crafted. When you make it a matter of dwarven pride to hold shit down, dwarves will find a way to hold shit down.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:12 No.1787438
    >>1787401
    because thor was a dick
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:14 No.1787448
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:16 No.1787458
    >>1787430

    Why not just make a 2 inch thick rope to tie it down instead of those 2mm threads?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:17 No.1787461
    >>1787448
    I'm still trying to figure out what that thing is...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:21 No.1787479
    >>1786183
    Veins, eyes, genitals, sinews. As long as it got that, it IS killable. Noob.

    Oh, and most big dinos are as heavy as elephants. Which we can kill. With fire-hardened spears from the stone age. And lighter than most whales. Which we can kill too, yup yup.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:21 No.1787482
    >>1787458
    Because that wolf in question broke chains too large to use on boats. The tethers holding down Fenrir are made of the roots of mountains, the noise cats make when they walk, a woman's beard, the breath of a fish, a bear's sinews, and the spittle of a bird. In other words, things that, to the best knowledge of most storytellers, did not exist and therefore could not be destroyed. Also, DORFEN MAGICKS!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:22 No.1787485
    >>1787461

    Nyarlathotep, it's suppose to look weird.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:24 No.1787496
    >Can one of the smarter fa/tg/uys use newtons laws to show him how much force would be required for this "easy" stop

    You mean how F = ma, where a is the acceleration in meters per second squared, and m is the mass in kilogram? That a faster moving creature would require a greater force to decelerate (acceleration in the opposite vector)? That, between two object of the same mass, the faster one is harder to stop?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:25 No.1787502
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    >>1787479
    And if WE can't kill it, we engineer something TO kill it!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:26 No.1787512
    >>1787479
    >Oh, and most big dinos are as heavy as elephants. Which we can kill

    How can we say for sure? Dinosaurs DIED OUT MILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE WE EVOLVED.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:28 No.1787518
    >>1787512
    You'd be surprised what biologists can figure out from bone structure and the marks left by a the long-decayed tendons.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:28 No.1787520
    >>1787479
    Actually, the reason large land animals don't exist outside of Africa is because they were all hunted to extinction by prehistoric man.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:29 No.1787528
    >>1787518
    Biologists have decided that neanderthals with sticks and stones could kill dinosaurs? I am stunned.

    ARCHAEOLOGY POWER LEVEL FIGHT
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:30 No.1787534
    >>1787426
    i loled
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:37 No.1787588
    >>1787528
    Anthropologists have used cave drawings and tool marks on mastodon (and other prehistoric animal) bones to determine that they were indeed hunted by prehistoric Man and Neanderthals (seeing as Neanderthals are not our ancestors).

    We have fossilized dinosaur skin that shows that their hides were certainly no thicker than a whale's hide, and through analysis of dinosaur bones we know how they were put together and can make surprisingly strongly-supported estimations on how strong and large dinosaurs were.

    Of course, you were trying to bend my words into saying something other than what they were saying. And you're still wrong. It is entirely possible that if you were to take a dinosaur - any dinosaur - and put it on a deserted island with a hunting party of three to ten cavemen (Neanderthals or Homo Erectus, it doesn't matter) who have only prehistoric implements, those cavemen would be entirely capable of hunting down and killing the dinosaur.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:41 No.1787607
    >>1787588
    >>and put it on a deserted island with a hunting party of three to ten cavemen (Neanderthals or Homo Erectus, it doesn't matter) who have only prehistoric implements, those cavemen would be entirely capable of hunting down and killing the dinosaur.

    OMG! But velociraptor mogoliensis are as smart as great apes, fast as cheetahs, can jump several dozen feet, open doors, and talk to each other! Jurassic Park said so!
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:53 No.1787693
    You can kill large animals with primitive weapons, but doing so is both difficult and highly dangerous. You basically need to wear the thing out over a long period of time, or goad it into doing something suicidal.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:55 No.1787704
    >>1787401
    *ahem* Hel?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:56 No.1787708
    >>1787693
    >>goad it into doing something suicidal.
    So, we burn all the prozac plants on the island?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:56 No.1787709
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:57 No.1787719
    >>1787607
    and T-Rexs eat lawyers
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:58 No.1787727
    >>1787693
    Or use poison. I had to watch a video in a high school anthropology class in which some researchers followed three bushmen on the hunt. The fuckers chucked a poison-tipped spear at a giraffe then followed the thing as it slowly died over the course of three days. When it was finally weakened enough that it wouldn't move away, they closed in, chucked more spears at it, then stabbed it repeatedly when it lost too much blood an had to much poison in its system to charge them. They still had to worry about being kicked to death, so it took them over four hours to finally put the thing out of its misery in the showdown. The poison was of a sort that was toxic if it got in your blood but perfectly fine if you just eat it, so those three bushmen were able to get enough meat off the thing to feed their village for a month. The giraffe's hide, by the way, was at least an inch thick, two inches in some places, and these bushmen could pierce it with a lightweight thrown spear with a stone spearhead from 50 yards.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)15:59 No.1787730
    >>1787693
    Yeah, what he said. Killing a mammoth would probably be more about chasing it until it collapses from exhaustion, all the while trying not to get killed by it.
    >> Not Spandex !9Xu5DjUw9E 05/21/08(Wed)16:21 No.1787895
    >>1787588

    Additionally. Being a hungry humanoid helps.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)16:24 No.1787933
    Proper way to kill a large monster in D&D.

    1. Drain some of it's constitution, either through abilities or poison and disease.
    2. Run. Run run run run run.
    3. Hope you're faster than it.
    4. Hide checks if you've got them.
    5. Attack it with ranged attacks whenever it tries to eat something.
    6. Hope it doesn't have ranged attacks.
    7. Repeat steps 2-6 until it's HP is low enough for it to succumb to the attacks of you and 20 other people.

    MANLY.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)16:26 No.1787958
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    >>1787933
    That or get your synch ratio up to 400%
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)16:26 No.1787961
    >>1787895
    hungry hungry humanoids?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)16:28 No.1787978
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    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)16:39 No.1788062
    >>1787704
    Okay, so not ALL of them.
    >> Phobonaut !tTBC.7oEaQ 05/21/08(Wed)16:39 No.1788064
    Please take in account that a charging tyrannosaurus is a whole different matter than a charging mammoth.

    Tyrannosaurs are bred to eat and kill things.
    Our friendly but now extinxt mammoth friend ate grass and defended itself and its offspring.
    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)16:39 No.1788068
    >>1788062
    You're pretending to be me aswell?!
    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)16:40 No.1788073
    >>1788068
    Blame cloning.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)16:41 No.1788085
    >>1787961
    fund it!
    >> Dr. Gegnome 05/21/08(Wed)16:42 No.1788095
    Yay! A mutation!
    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)16:44 No.1788119
    >>1788068
    >>1788095
    >>1788073
    Wait what?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)16:45 No.1788128
    See, Dr. Genome knows how to respond to imitators.
    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)16:46 No.1788132
    To better honor this okay namefag, I'll take up his name as well.
    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)16:50 No.1788155
    >>1788132
    GJ
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:46 No.1789130
    >>1788155
    Bad enough with the damn Legio, now we've got an entire lab full of Dr. Genomes?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)18:48 No.1789139
    Less Genomes, moar giant monsters. NAOW!
    >> Red Machine D !h1LZxECEVA 05/21/08(Wed)18:58 No.1789181
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    >>1789139

    Here, have an accurate Cloverfield monster.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:00 No.1789195
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    >>1787392
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:05 No.1789233
    >>1787448
    I believe this is the 'Older Brother', three legged spawn of shaggoth or something. Certainly looks Lovecraftian.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:05 No.1789235
    >>1786357

    Isn't this part of The Empire Strikes Back, when the Millenium Falcon flies out of that space slug?
    >> parabolic000 !!HfL9M9xslOG 05/21/08(Wed)19:06 No.1789238
    >>1789233
    it's one of the many forms of Nyarlathotep.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:06 No.1789239
    >>1789233
    >nyarlathotep01.jpg
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:07 No.1789246
    So which would you rather have your party fighting? A gigantic living thing that takes a day to traverse snout to tail, or a massive golem of similar size?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:13 No.1789285
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    >>1786541
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:22 No.1789354
    >>1789246
    I don't think golems have brains, meaning if we target all projectile attacks at its head and eventually crack its skull, it won't matter, now will it?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:36 No.1789477
    >HEY GUISE
    >CHECK THIS OUT


    http://rancid.outwar.com/page/4959
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:46 No.1789554
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    >>1787381
    here

    Anyone notice EVA is infecting /tg/?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)19:51 No.1789594
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:26 No.1789797
    >>1787237
    Combine dropship????
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)20:33 No.1789839
    Immortals Handbook has rules for infinite size progression. Good system, too.
    >> Dr. Genome 05/21/08(Wed)20:39 No.1789871
    Guys, I haven't posted since >>1788062.

    And I'm tomorrow going on vacation until June, so you clones had better be gone when I get back.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)21:47 No.1790231
    >>1787482
    Not to mention, almost all the Norse Gods were scared of him.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)22:22 No.1790481
    >>1790231
    >>1787482
    The lesson? It may be a furry, but it will FUCKING KILL YOU if you try the fire.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)22:56 No.1790766
    >>1789594

    Would that be from the new movies?
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)23:04 No.1790808
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    >>1787223
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)23:06 No.1790823
    I have a semi fear of giant monsters.
    especially Krakens.
    >> Random Death Star-Sized Sapient Disco Ball of Tzeentch !4T1uHiOuyE 05/21/08(Wed)23:07 No.1790829
    >>1790766
    Yes it is. Shit is AWESOME.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)23:16 No.1790881
    >>1790808
    What's the website that that is from? I went to it once and saw all of this awesome giant monster stuff... and promptly didn't save any artwork...
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)23:21 No.1790904
    >>1790823

    You think that's bad? Try having an innate fear of giant monsters lurking in large bodies of water.

    And then playing Shadow of the Colossus.
    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)23:22 No.1790913
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    I'm sure you could hold a decent dinner party in this thing.
    >> Dusclops !!IoqNqfCZ9xl 05/21/08(Wed)23:39 No.1791008
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    >> Anonymous 05/21/08(Wed)23:41 No.1791023
    >You probably think a single arrow through a missing scale can kill a dragon.

    Oh you. Hobbit reference, nice touch.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)00:16 No.1791216
    >>1787379

    who the fuck measures monsters in stones?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)00:28 No.1791283
    >>1791216
    It's "stories", you dumbfuck.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)01:01 No.1791447
    >>1790904
    seconded
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)02:07 No.1791732
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    >>1790881
    Just google "Creature of The Week"
    >> Dagda !hTbo821v7U 05/22/08(Thu)03:58 No.1792262
    This is a very good thread, >>1787727 has for me been especially thought-provoking. The whole "massive being with multiple vital systems that might not be alive in the traditional sense" idea sounds very cool to me, because it fits two facts about reality that fiction tends to ignore:

    -Weight and mass scale differently. An cow or elephant would be grievously injured by a ten-foot fall. Cats are recorded as having frequently survived falls from balconies on the upper levels of apartment buildings.
    -As you shift from one scale to another, the systems also change. Molecules do not work like atoms. Galaxies do not work like solar systems. The government of a nation does not work like council for a small town.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)04:37 No.1792515
    >>1787343

    Now that's a shitty retarded monster design if I ever saw one.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)05:28 No.1792971
    >>1792262
    >Weight and mass scale differently.

    This is quite horrifically incorrect. Weight is simply the force on an object due to gravity, and is equal to the object's mass multiplied by its acceleration due to gravity (typically ~9.8ms^-2). An object that is 1kg in mass has a weight of roughly 9.8N. An object that is 10kg in mass was a weight of roughly 98N.
    >> Dagda !hTbo821v7U 05/22/08(Thu)05:52 No.1793151
    >>1792971
    Shit, you're right, sorry. What I meant to refer to was mass vs. factors that strengthen the object/creature, a.k.a. the square-cube law.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)05:55 No.1793155
    >>1793151
    Mmm, delicious square-cubes. *drool*
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)09:35 No.1793948
    First issue of the comic GUTSVILLE. Yes, it's just as relevant to this thread as it sounds.

    http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=150677
    >> Dagda !hTbo821v7U 05/22/08(Thu)09:56 No.1794022
    >>1793948
    Oh my GOD that is the stuff of win and awesome.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)10:11 No.1794064
    Yes these titanic monsters would be a tad slower, but a swing is still a swing its not gonna take days to accomplish.
    >> Dagda !hTbo821v7U 05/22/08(Thu)10:41 No.1794177
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    >>1793948
    SERIOUSLY, THIS IS AWESOME

    I will post a random page that you will be compelled to look at, thus driving you to seek further context (fortunately the link contains an entire issue).
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)11:50 No.1794394
    >>1794177
    I saw this pic and didn't have a clue what it was about.

    Now I've read all 3 available issues and I can say that I'm *loving* this shit.
    >> anonymouse !r9w.Zv6o7o 05/22/08(Thu)12:03 No.1794432
    I plan on throwing a giant snail at my group. All but absolutely harmless. It'd be more of a "Herd it away from the town/orchards/crops before it drowns the townsfolk in slime/eats the entire food crop" adventure than a slay the giant monster game.

    Does this count as your faggotry?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)12:12 No.1794453
    >>1794432

    Make it a locust swarm led by a giant snail with wings.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)12:21 No.1794482
    >>1794432


    They will use salt and you will cry.
    >> anonymouse !r9w.Zv6o7o 05/22/08(Thu)13:01 No.1794677
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    >>1794482
    Yeah, maybe crying from laughter as the puny amount of salt they'd be able to muster wouldn't do them much good.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:56 No.1794882
    A T-Rex's skull is half the size of a VW Beetle. The fucking thing has teeth one foot long, it can swallow a human whole without need to tear parts off.


    IF ANYTHING, a serious T-Rex encounter for anyone under 15th level should be treated as a fatal encounter.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)13:58 No.1794895
    INCOMING TARRASQUE!
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)14:16 No.1794961
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    Al Qadim had this shit covered.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)14:33 No.1795035
    >>1790904
    An innate fear of huge monsters is called common sense!
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)16:06 No.1795542
    >>1787704
    half her body was rotten
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)16:17 No.1795604
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    >>1794961
    Son?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:01 No.1796495
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    This is my new campaign setting.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:01 No.1796502
    >>1796495
    expect cave jokes immediately
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:02 No.1796508
    >>1796502
    no, that would be reposting. besides that's too wide a cavity for /tg/ to go spelunking in.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:04 No.1796515
    >>1796508
    i meant from his players :\
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:06 No.1796529
    >>1796508
    How many size categories smaller does a creature have to be to fit inside an anus without needing ranks in Escape Artist?
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:08 No.1796537
    >>1796515
    Get the fuck out
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:08 No.1796540
    >>1796495
    Bitch needs to learn to shave.
    >> Anonymous 05/22/08(Thu)19:11 No.1796559
    No.
    >> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:08 No.1798632
    >>1796495
    I'd plow her fields if you catch my drift
    >> Amazing 05/23/08(Fri)01:14 No.1798654
    >>1796529

    We went over the Escape Artist thing already (80 levels), but I dunno about size.

    Probably a Tiny-to-Colossal ratio.
    >> Anonymous 05/23/08(Fri)01:31 No.1798738
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    http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/scaling.html

    Figured this was relevant.


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