My guide, Sergeant Sacres, told me that they were tourist attractions; with even parts of the underhive being preserved, both as they had been before the storm, and as the chaos forces had left them. As you can understand, this was of considerable concern, but I was assured in no uncertain terms that all ‘materials liable to endanger the visitor’s reason’ had been destroyed utterly.

The planet now proudly boasts of material independence from external supply. Sergeant Sacres told me that this had been a priority of the Reasonable Marines shortly after they took control of the planet, in order both to ensure the maximum rate of survival given the difficulty of travelling during the warp storm, and to provide a long term basis for prosperity. I asked him if all the planets under the Reasonable Marines’ control were like this.

‘We don’t like to say control, nor for that matter, do we claim to bring worlds to “compliance”’ he replied ‘we prefer to view many planets in the sector as cooperating with us. Consequently, some worlds in the sector are entirely unaffected by our own governance policies. Where we’ve been forced to act against planetary governors, we try to ensure, given the hazards of inter-system travel, that every system is able to stand on its own effectively. We aim to make most worlds capable of resisting a full invasion, too, with a progressive garrison policy that allows us to minimize our long-term obligations towards such worlds. So while the initial relief effort here was led by the third company, with support elements from the Imperial Guard, we were able to restore a working independence to it within three months. The majority of the chaos forces surrendered within one week, and were rapidly contained and shipped off world…’

I asked what precisely he meant by this, but he would not be drawn on the matter at the time. Instead, he conducted me on a tour of a massive underground waste processing sub-station, and a large-scale civil-defense post. ‘One part of this long-term strategy is an ability to mobilize the population of any world effectively. We find that providing suitable training and equipment, along with an emperor-centered opt-in training regimen is sufficient to induce many potential combatants to our side, while other options for those who would prefer to undertake another form of service allow those who would hold back the efficiency of militia units to be channeled into more effective service. We start training young, ten years before eligibility to join the core militia in all areas, as part of the comprehensive program of education we encourage; because of its opt-in nature, and a syllabus of ability and genetic testing which allows us to identify capable potential recruits at an early age, and keep them under observation. In this way, we have been able to increase our numbers to over three thousand in the last millennium…”

I immediately questioned him regarding how this fit with the Codex Astartes, and his response was immediate and practiced, ‘There is no specific regulation to the number of marines in a chapter; while the common interpretation is one thousand, this is simplistic. Instead, the Codex Astartes proscribes companies, and then the squads that should make one up, nine companies, and ten squads, plus command squads and headquarters staff.

The number of squads in the scout company is not limited by the Codex, as that would prevent a full strength chapter from inducting new recruits; and very little that Gulliman did was counterproductive,’ he said this highly reverently, ‘Furthermore, each chapter maintains its own starfleet and vehicle pool. We have used the lack of contact with Mars to induct many extra marines, who in turn gave their gene-seed to others, resulting in our being substantially over-strength. Much of that has gone to the vehicle pool, allowing us to field over a hundred predator tanks, and not many less Land Raiders, not counting the versions in service with our sister units…”

I found that last comment curious, but let it go, as I was interested to see the vehicle production facility our air-car had arrived at – I must note that the number of air vehicles gave me some pause, and in due course, I shall tell how the Reasonable Marines’ planets appear to have manufactured so many such vehicles. Of course, this is a specialty of the chapter, with many nominal assault units preferring to enter battle entirely in land speeder variants, more, I believe, than any other chapter.

The next day, I was informed that a transport would be able to take me to one of the Marines’ ships. The vessel was obviously new, from the lack of decoration, and it was, to my surprise, piloted by a full navigator. Apparently the Reasonable Marines had managed to maintain an adequate number during their isolation to provide for their logistics train as well as their own vessels.

This was my first encounter with the Reasonable Marines’ brand of servitors. At first, I thought they were purely machine, but Sergeant Sacres informed me that somewhere within their tracked, low-slung bodies, were sufficient elements of force-grown genetic culture to qualify them as servitors, for legal purposes. ‘They were re-designed by the tech-marines to maximize productivity, according to the standards of the holy STC. Much of the imperium uses servitors that are made in a wide variety of ways; this standardization provides a five percent saving on resources, and their limited number of organic components allows them to be repaired more effectively.’

My suite on the vessel was, honestly, less than I was used to. Comfortable, but it was severely lacking in customary elegance of imperial staterooms. Upon arriving on the Strike Cruiser, with some dark humor, named Peace, I was surprised to see a large number of what at first I took to be Adepta Sororitas. Compelled by curiosity, I examined them; despite their nature, they wore the unpainted steel armor the Reasonable Marines favored on board their ships, when they had no information about their destination, though several sported urban disruptive camouflage. When questioned, they answered quite simply that they were Sisters of Reason.

I had heard, of course, of the brief conflict, during the isolation, of the Reasonable Marines, and the Adepta Soroitas of the Order of the Sacred Rose in the sector, which had ended after the marines demonstrated their willingness to use orbital firepower. The settlement removed almost all war materiel from their convents, to limit further aggression, using the ‘reasonable’ interpretation of the intent of the Decree Passive as justification.

Now, I understood what they did with it, it was natural that their candidate identification program should locate any number of talented, potential recruits who otherwise met their criteria, save their gender. While the implants of the Adeptus Astartes are only compatible with males, this less individually capable group of warriors are frequently used to supplement the Reasonable Marines’ numbers – two thousand such women in all, equipped in all details like marines, as reason permits.

This shocked me, as I began to see the depths of this heresy of reason.

As you know, the Emperor decreed a limitation on the use of Land Raiders, our most potent multi-role vehicle in its weight class, to the Adeptus Astartes, during the Heresy, after their production centre fell to the enemy. It has never been revoked

The Reasonable Marines claim that this is an unreasonable interpretation of his words, which, as they claim he was pragmatic like them, only applied to the duration of the shortage. They claim that, now that the Imperium has the capacity to produce these vehicles, he would want them deployed beyond the Astartes and the Inquisition, and they apparently manufacture substantial numbers of them, both for themselves, this Sorority of Reason, and even the Imperial Guard.

This was not their only heresy. While they did express a certain devotion to the Emperor, they practically blasphemed against him during the Inquest I was allowed to observe.

In this ritual, the captain of the vessel, the captain of the company stationed aboard, and the captain of the third line company (of would-be Sororitas, the title coming from Gulliman’s use of ‘Companies of the Second Line’ to describe space marine reserve companies. While the Reasonable Marines are willing to make use of these women, they admit that without the genetic enhancements of the marines, in allowing superior physical ability, longer lives, and more training hours in the day, that their ‘Sorority of Reason’ is best suited to a support role. This claim finds no disagreement) embarked. As well as these, various other officers and personnel were present, both making notes, and to provide something they called a ‘impartial quorum of question’.

The company captain began with a recitation of this… heresy. It pains me to repeat it, but I must.

‘As we proceed in this investigation, consider the Emperor of Man. Despite his genius and continuing honorable courage, he made a number of avoidable mistakes, even from the foundation of the Imperium. Even with the greatest ability, and noblest goals, mistakes happen. Therefore, let us admit to our own errors, that we may refine our ways…’

I cannot go on. They are heretics, my Lords. I shall conclude this report when I can compose myself and suppress my fury.

Effective governance systems in my 40K?

...

...

Not sure if heresy...

One of the two anons who came up with the idea for the Reasonable Marines here.

Excellent work Longposter, I love it.

This is delicious!

Making sense is for quitters!

>>2803261
Oh it's heresy mother fucker you better believe it

The question is whether they can get away with it due to sheer numbers and isolation, as the Black Templars get away with their shit.

Just wait 'till the admech find out about this!

In the name of the Emperor, continue this!

Wonderful!

>>2803396
Your description of our most holy crusade is blasphemy, your heretical slanderings will not go unpunished.

>>2803434
See, this is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.

>>2803396
Unfortunately they'd be far too reasonable to avoid large forces of their erstwhile allies within Exterminatus range.

What about that group of SPEECE MERINES that EAT INQUISITORS.... Why haven't they been kicked out?

Of course the Empher probably would agree with them...

>>2803471
Because they EAT all the inquisitors that try?

Wouldn't the Inquisition realize that every one we send there dies from "an accident" right before they respond?

Not trolling or anything but this makes me feel like i'm reading about Captain Picard clones.

>>2803632
They probably had their best talker give the tour... You want to make the Inquisitor mad?

Also wait till they fight.

Instead of MOVE AND SHOOT its more TACTICS!

>>2803632

Captain Picard is nothing if not reasonable.

>>2803750
Yea Picard could get into a rage at times... I mean mention Borg and he goes batshit insane

>>2803765
Does he bust out the crowbars?

We busted out the Tommy Gun on the Holodeck...

StarFleet doesn't let you get Crowbars... fucking panzies

If the Reasonable Marines were really THAT reasonable, don't you think they would have masked their reasonableness from the rest of the empire?

>>2803858

you cant realy mask something like reforming entier planets without cutting out big peices from your original game plan, if you know what i mean

>StarFleet doesn't let you get Crowbars... fucking panzies

I didn't have any trouble finding one.

>>2804016
Did you use a replicator for it?

>>2804023

Mmmmaaybe.

>>2804032
>>2804016

dude its that guy from that x-files episode

>>2804038

Brad Dourif has been in a lot of stuff, including X-Files.

Speaking of heresy, what are the Reasonable marines' views on heresy? Inquiring minds would like to know.

MOAR MOAR MOAR

>>2804048
>>2804038
If by X-files you mean Myst III: Exile

>>2804063

Mild cases of heresy can be cured with logic.

But, considering the fact that their area of space was separated by powerful warp-storms, they must have had enough cases of heresy summoning Daemons and so forth that they know they have to run a few purges every now and then.

They will then set about the reasonable task of findung and uprooting the CAUSE of the heresy, be it social injustice or bad cultural mores leading men to chaos, that they shall not be required to expend unreasonable levels of force combatting their own former citizens.

This is one of the best set of longposts ever.

*golfclap*

>>2804087
Reasonable Marines are doing it wrong. What's reasonable is to give a damn good PRETENCE that they're following the Emperor's word so they don't get declared excommunicatum and subsequently exterminatus'd and extinct.

This is awesome, moar.

>>2804148
They are following his word... The rest of the imperium took him too litterally

>The majority of the chaos forces surrendered within one week, and were rapidly contained and shipped off world…’
>shipped off world

The only place where you could ship the followers of chaos such that they would no longer be a threat is to the middle of the sun. And it's only reasonable to neutralize all threats in the most efficient manner possible. They're the Reasonable Marines, not the Overly Merciful In Ways That Defy Reason Marines.

>>2804215
SPEECE MERENE GITMO on a deathworld. Once they're used up for info let them free... something will eat them

>>2804215
Maybe the followers of Chaos respond unexpectedly well to reason? How would anyone know, since nobody has tried?

>>2804250
Maybe it makes their heads explode!

>>2804148

The inherent tragedy of the reasonable marines is that they think that people are inherently reasonable and as such they can bring the rest of the imperium around to their way of thinking.

The Chaos-counterparts to the Reasonable Marines should be the Logical Marines. Cold, heartless and calculating, everything is a variable within an equation to be controlled and changed at need. Emotions like love and...

Fuck, I feel like I'm describing the Thousand Sons.

>>2804265

Huh, well-spotted. That almost brings them back into line with every other doomed faction in 40k. I like it.

>>2804266

Vulcan Marines ?

>>2804250
Ultra Jaded Slaanesh Marines?

>>2804300
Emotion invites Weakness.
Weakness invites death.
They shall receive it at our hands.
EXTERMINATE

>>2804266
So Daleks?
Or are they Imperial Terra Vulcans? (the ones that had Goatee Spock)

>Fuck, I feel like I'm describing the Thousand Sons.

Much as planned.

>>2804265
Chapter Master: Wobbly-Headed Bob

>>2804215

That's imperial propaganda talking. Chaos works by playing on quite normal desires common to all of humanity, so by deprogramming chaos cultists and providing them with reasonable outlets for those desires they won't feel any need to act out in future.

Daemons could simply be deported back to the warp. Chaos space marines are a little harder to deal with. Perhaps they could be mindwiped? It's known that the process is used on regular marines in certain situations.

>>2804148

Sensible isn't the same as reasonable. It might be sensible to pretend to be frothing maniacs for the benefit of other frothing maniacs, but it's reasonable to simply point out that there are much bigger threats they need the fleets to defend against, given that the RMs are actively defending imperial worlds from all other forms of heresy and also being eaten.

>RMs are actively defending imperial worlds from all other forms of heresy and also being eaten.

There are other Imperial worlds. Purge the heretic or be eaten away by the heresy. We can afford the sacrifice of a handful of Imperial worlds for the sake of all of the Imperium's worlds.

I love this. I've always wanted to see a small section of the Imperium of Man begin to act intelligently and logically. I might like the whole Imperium to do so, but that would end 40k with "Humans get their shit together and kick everyone's asses.

>>2804650
Forgot my second quotation mark, sorry.

>>2804063
BEGIN TRANSMISSION

(A light flicks on, glaring in the face of the prisoners. Shadowy sillouettes move closer.)

Inquisitor: SUBJECT A, YOU ARE ACCUSED OF HERESY. HOW DO YOU PLEAD?

Heretic: Look, I... this is all a big misunderstanding.

Inquisitor: SUBJECT A, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? WOULD YOU LIKE SOME COFFEE?

Heretic: Look, I already told you I... wait, what?

Inquisitor: THESE METAL CHAIRS, THEY CAN GET REALLY COLD. HERE'S YOUR COFFEE. NOW, ABOUT THESE CHAOS CULT BOOKS WE FOUND... WE'RE...

Heretic: They're not mine! I'm telling you... oh god, please don't kill me.

Inquisitor: WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THEY REPRESENT REPRESSED ANGER OR A LACK OF SELF CONFIDENCE, PERHAPS A CRY FOR ATTENTION. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED COUNCILING? WE HAVE A NICE PROGRAM HERE, WITH A FREE COMPLIMENT OF SPAS AND MASSAGES

Heretic: ....

Inquisitor: VERY WELL, WE SENTENCE YOU TO 90 DAYS OF COUNCILING AND CHAOTIC REHAB. REMEMBER, CITIZEN, THE EMPEROR LOVES YOU, SO YOU SHOULD LOVE YOURSELF.

END TRANSIMISSION

>>2804663
I lol'd for the first time in ages.

>We can afford the sacrifice of a handful of Imperial worlds for the sake of all of the Imperium's worlds.

Which is exactly why you can't afford to go after the Reasonable Marines.

>common sense

>>2804631
Yes but they don't want to lose any of the worlds they worked on..

>>2804663
So the Heretic goes mad from Kindness? Maybe becomes a Mole?

>>2804708

If this heresy spreads, it will threaten the rule of the High Lords of Terra, the Holy Inquisition, and even the rule of many Astartes chapters.

If this heresy continues to exist unpunished, it will spread.

If the punishment for this heresy is anything less than death, it will continue and be looked upon as favorable to many conditions in the Imperium, and thus it will spread. Perhaps it will even seep through the depths of mankind's collective spirit to the point of the birth of a new Chaos God.

We cannot afford NOT to purge these Astartes, lest the whole of the Imperium fall into chaos.

Hedonistic Eldar space pirates have heard of your delightful tourist attractions and wish to indulge their senses in visit

What do the reasonable marines do?

What if the Eldar get... Irrational, as they are prone to?

>>2804266
They're not really going to be called "Logical Marines" or "Reasonable Marines," man.

>>2804663

>THESE METAL CHAIRS

OUR ENEMY SITS IN METAL CHAIRS! THE COWARDS! THE FOOLS!

the Reasonable marines have been declared heretical

Angry Marines are tasked to destroy them

they also get a shuttle full of Eversors

i was reading this on suptg earlier.

good bit of writefaggotry.

>>2804663
So the Heretic goes mad from Kindness? Maybe becomes a Mole?

>>2804663

LOL.

I haven't lol'd so hard in ages.

gg anon

>>2804780
/tg/ should be an official unofficial 40k universe

manly tears orks
rapist Eldar
reasonable marines, angry marines, pretty marines

>>2804772

WE... WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY THEIR METAL CHAIRS!

>>2804758
Reasonably see blow their crazy asses to radioactive dust from orbit. There is nothing at all reasonable about letting the Dark Eldar into your home.

>>2804823

dark eldar are merely one faction of Eldar pirates

the majority are outcast craftworlders

>>2804798

But then they would fall flat on their asses

>>2804831
Oh. Well Eldar currency would be difficult to convert what with no market for it. They would have to pay in secrets.

>We cannot afford NOT to purge these Astartes, lest the whole of the Imperium fall into chaos.

The Imperium is BESET ON ALL SIDES in the GRIM DARK future of the 41st millenium. It's not a matter of purging the heretic, the alien, the mutant or not purging the heretic, the alien, the mutant. It's a matter of WHICH heretic, alien or mutant you purge first.

Genestealer infestations actively call down hive fleets. That Slaaneshi cult on Randos IV isn't getting any more vanilla. The eldar have just directed a massive WAAAGH toward a heavily populated sector. Abbadon is gamely having another try at Cadia. Fabulous Bile has bred a delightful new variety of rapist in the Caldous sector, using four of your hive worlds as raw material. I'm not even going to tell you what the nurglists are doing in the sewers of Hiveworld Dolorous. Necrons have emerged from their tombs on Sacran VII, which is pretty shitty news given that it Sacran VII is the only source of food for four hive worlds and a forge world in the sector.

Of all these threats, the Reasonable Marines rank somewhere above Abbadon and somewhere well below everything else. Heresy is everywhere, the only difference between regular heresy and the RM - from the perspective of the imperium - is that their heresy doesn't come with a large side order of genocide and economic collapse.

>>2804790
As far as I'm concerned, it all works in.

Statwise, do the Sisters of Reason just count as bolter bitches?

>>2804857

Nnot YET it doesn't.

It's a good thing Inquisitor Rightina Immam caught it before it bloomed into the loathesome flower of chaos, isn't it?

All that remains is to nip it in the bud before we get an Astartes chaper more than 3,000 strong, equipped with more of the Imperium's finest warmachines than any other chapter be it loyalist or heretic, and served by 2,000 equally equipped Sororitas and God-Emperor only knows what manner of Guard regiments suddenly sprouting tentacles and making their way towards the Golden Throne.

>>2804823
Arrest them. If they resist use Rubber Bolts. If they continue to resist use lethal force. In effect go back to the old days of the Space Marines... They used to run as the Good Cop to most of the other chapters.

>>2804862
I doubt they would have repentia

>>2804887
Well, even the best sometimes find themselves in the dire need of some cathartic violence. What better way to channel these homicidal urges you get when the morning caffeine tastes like sewage water AGAIN than to take a huge chainsaw and bring doom upon your enemies?

>>2804857
Also they seem content to stay in their little area. I mean they drove off the Tau from an entire region with Imperial Paperwork. If they present the paperwork they may be able to force the Tau back to their homeworld.

>>2804881

Good for you. And what are you going to do about the existing chaos and xenos forces that are actually besieging the Imperium as we speak? Ask them if they wouldn't mind waiting while you tidy up before they come over?

>>2804904

They can have repentia, but the repentia need to have turtlenecks.

>>2804914

Employing the vessels required for a system-wide exterminatus would hardly cause the Imperium to collapse. Surely when weighed against the threat of companies of Space Marines with more Land Raiders, members, and more support than any other chapter constitutes a more dire threat than the armless leader of 13 failed crusades?

>Employing the vessels required for a system-wide exterminatus would hardly cause the Imperium to collapse.

Sure, if the planets were undefended, it's just that there's the matter of-

>of companies of Space Marines with more Land Raiders, members, and more support than any other chapter

Yep, you beat me to it. It would be like flying to the Tau homeworld to wipe out the Tau, attacking a craftworld directly, bringing the Black Templars in line with the codex, or entering the Eye of Chaos to wipe out the renegades.

>constitutes a more dire threat than the armless leader of 13 failed crusades?

If you read carefully, you'll see that's what I said.

>>2804976
I doubt the reasonable marines would just roll over and let them do that though

>>2804990Yep, you beat me to it. It would be like flying to the Tau homeworld to wipe out the Tau, attacking a craftworld directly

guess what, it WORKS

Craftworlds fall with ease to the righteous fury of space marines crushing pointed pansies beneath their boots

>>2805005
Except they don't. SM fag.

So when are we getting more of this?

>>2804976
Give them a long term assignment that puts them in the line of the full brunt of the nids. Hope for MAD

Let us consider the subtle approach; cyclonic torpedos.

Disguised as Adeptus Mechanicus facilities, instructed that they are to help "modernize" the worlds, given to the Reasonable Marines as just reward by the High Lords for their many long years of fruitful service in isolation. Constructed with functional facilities and working spaces for the Mechanicus, and staffed at all times by thousands, dispatched to all necessary locations including any space-born fortresses of the heretical Astartes.

I'm sure that there are many other methods, as well.

>>2805019

...only to have them find the remaining Zoats in their fleet of conch-ships and form an alliance.

>>2805010

read the f ucking codex. Space marines got tired of the Eldar's faggity shit and just started blowing up craftworlds

>>2805021
except that the imperium would never think of that

they'd throw ships at it until it got done

>>2805021

So, basically, you're going to put Wile E. Coyote in charge of purging the reasonable heresy?

>>2805021
Yeah, that's definitely the Imperium's style.

>>2805028
Is that 5e faggotry? Basically shitting over the canon like D&D 4e did?

The Imperium thinks like Soviet Russia and Renaissance Italy.

Soviet Russia saw maskirovka as an essential element in both war and peacetime, and Machiavelli wrote the fucking book on out-deceiving your opponents.

Therefore the Imperium believes in the use and power of deceptive tactics.

>blowing up craftworlds

Idherae was 'left desolate', not destroyed. It was not exactly Alaitoc to begin with.

Alaitoc, did, however, destroy the fortress-monastery of the chapter responsible in retaliation.

>>2805036

Yes.

Reason is what we're PURGING here.

>>2805065Alaitoc, did, however, destroy the fortress-monastery of the chapter responsible in retaliation.

you mean they were beaten off by 300 space marines who valiantly stomped the fagelves until the ENTIRE CRAFTWORLD RETREATED

don't twist facts you fucking pansynut hugger

>>2805024
If any nids survive they have a new purpose... BAIT

>>2805084

I see what you did there.

>>2805084
Oh, shut the fuck up, you cockgobbler. Go and climb a wall of dicks, or drown yourself in a lake of piss, or whatever you SM faggots do to get in the mood to touch yourselves.

>>2805024
Nah They're not STUPID. They know enough that the Nids are an all consuming horde. Orks are best redirected. Maybe lure the Nids and Orks into a fight then Kill two birds with one Exterminus

>>2805021
And the Reasonable Marines would never suspect a trap, oh no.

Or acknowledge that their methods might chafe the rest of the Imperium more than a little.

They're fucking Reasonable, man, they realize that they're pissing people off, and they're not going to just let them do whatever they want.

>>2805029

The fact that the Imperium has temples dedicated to specific methods of ASSASSINATION tells me that they aren't really brute force only idiots.

>>2805207

That particular method might be a bit stupid, but the Inquisition would find a way that would work. Or, alternatively, a way that would cripple the chapter and send the remainder crying into the waiting arms of the Chaos gods.

/tg/, what colors are the Reasonable Marines' armor? What is their unit patch?

>>2805284
IIRC they have no standard color as they use camouflaged Power Armor. I'd think a standard color could be slate gray

>>2805284
In combat, camo, with appropriate safety markings on chainswords and such. I don't know what their standard scheme is though.

>>2805284
They wear camouflage situational to the environment they're fighting in.

>>2805337
>>2805331
>>2805327
camomind?

what chaos god would the reasonable marines favor?

I say Slaanesh

>>2805337

Reasonable marines= Rogue Trader marines?

>>2805364
They vote Obama.

>>2805364
Nurgle. They favor stability after all.

>>2805391
You mean NurSAME.

KHORNE

>>2805391
But their actions IMPROVE health... so can't be Nurgle.

Is there just an unaffiliated with any group?

I mean RMs seem kinda neutral but prohuman...

>>2805412
Well, look at the other gods.

They avoid bloodshed, are reasonable and moderate, and generally perfer simple plans in conflict and other methods(after all, the more complex a plan, the more likely it is to fail, so reasonably they'd want to keep stuff as simple as possible)

They do, however, prefer stability and security, two of Nurgles positive elements. That's the best you've got.

>>2804862
Perhaps if left unchecked, the RM might rediscover SCIENCE and find a way to convert geneseeds to be compatible with the XX chromosome.

But they're not Chaos aligned anyways, so it's a moot point. They're just being Reasonable.

They'll ally with anyone who presents a real positive outlet to their own goals, and they'll attempt to solve problems without violence if at all possible.

>>2805426
Ain't knowledge and learning part of Bird Boy's domain?

>>2804862
Yes, though instead of powers of faith, I'd actually give them better support roles, with more heavy weapons at longer ranges, and solid defensive bonuses.

the Dark Angels claim the Reasonable Marines are harboring Cypher

what happens next?

>>2805429
Wouldn't modding the geneseed be more science instead of SCIENCE!

>>2805454
The quest for knowledge and learning is, yes, as well as the desire for power.

They're not attempting to research as many new things as possible, and really, are using the same tech as everyone else.

>>2805461
Bring them in and investigate.
Leave no stone unturned to find the man.

>>2805476
Does bringing the worlds they are on up to standard eduction count or is it such a tiny drop in the bucket no one cares. And that it'd just be teaching them the standard things and nothing new.

>>2805461
A rather rough fight. I've give it to the RM though.

They've got the advantage of being willing to use tactics the other Marines would scoff at, and still know how their counterparts fight. Plus I figure the RMs are going to have much better support on the defensive.

Reasonable Marines have a severe disadvantage though

they are lacking in FAITH and ZEAL and HATE, and would be crushed by any proper, real space marine chapter

>>2805623
Faith, zeal and hate are the requirements for glorious defeat.
Sound strategy and tactics are the prerequisites for victory.

>>2805774

You can have all the sound tactics and strategy you want.

Ask Rommel how far they got him without decent supply lines.

>>2805774

this is 40k we're talking about, where it means guys walking through missile barrages, retreating backwards and RIPTEARING into your gunlines

>>2805869
Zombie Rommel needs no supply lines! He feasts upon the flesh of his enemies!

>>2805557
WUT

The Dark Angels would rape any chapter they came up against, including the Black Templars.

REPENT FOR TOMORROW YOU DIE, FAGGOT

>>2805869
And I'm pretty sure the RMs wouldn't have a problem with maintaining supply lines.

>>2805890The Dark Angels would rape any chapter they came up against, including the Black Templars.

why bring the black templars into this

>>2805890
The RMs also are breaking the rules, and as the OP noted, breaking the rules by using more tanks and other vehicles than they're supposed to.

Furthermore, they've got the biggest advantage in the fact that the situation puts them on the defensive and on their own ground.

>>2805899
because they are known for their huge numbers and combat capacity

>>2805890
FUCK NO. THE DARK ANGELS ARE A BUNCH OF PUSSIES. DARK ANGELS THIS, DARK ANGELS THAT. IT MAKES ME SO FUCKING ANGRY!

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF--

>>2805910
3 Deathwing Terminators defended an entire planet from a genestealer invasion.

>The RMs also are breaking the rules, and as the OP noted, breaking the rules by using more tanks and other vehicles than they're supposed to.

The Dark Angels are known for having the most and best maintained heavy weapons of all the chapters.

>Furthermore, they've got the biggest advantage in the fact that the situation puts them on the defensive and on their own ground.

The Dark Angels would not be opposed to launching vortex missiles and fucking their shit up royally and complete destruction of the worlds would not be out of the question.

whats more powerful?

The ability to reason.

Or the will to annihilate everything?

>>2805935
>>whats more powerful?
>>The ability to reason.
>>Or the will to annihilate everything?

ANSWER NUMBER 3. A PISSED OFF ANGRY MARINE.

>>2805949
Except the Angry Marines don't take you prisoner with the express purpose of torturing you until you beg for death. thats what the whole "repent for tomorrow you die" thing is all about. It means they are gonna cripple you in battle now, take you prisoner and torture you all night until you die the next day.

Personally, I would rather face an Angry Marine than a pissed off Dark Angel.

>>2805935
>>2805949
Now that I think about it, the Dark Angels are basically the same as the Angry Marines, except they dont show their anger outwardly. They just keep it inside, seething like a dwarven magma forge located deep in a mountain fortress.

>>2806008

except the dorf magma forge doesnt flay you alive and meticulously peel out your nerves one by one and apply agonizing electrical currents to them.

>>2805364
Reasonable marines don't favour a particular chaos god. While they accept that Gods exist, they feel no need to worship them.

>>2803858

They *are* concealing much of their heresy here. That they're letting be known is part of their cunning plan.

>>2804215

There's more to this than they're saying, too.

>>2804265

Yes. Of course, they're not *entirely* talking to a wall. There are more than a few people in the Inquisition sympathetic to them... Recongregators is what they're called. They're old enough for the RMs to know about them from before the warp storm, and this is part of their reason for permitting Inq. Immam anywhere near them.

>>2804758

Shall be dealt with in a future installment! There's a clue to it in the first one though.

>>2804862

Yep. Witch Hunters allies. No repentia or seraphim, though. Bonus points if you file off the sororitas symbols, don't use acts of faith (except possibly Light of the Emperor) give them a land raider by buying a minimum points inquisitor (their version of the Inquisition will be mentioned later) with 0 minions and a land raider. Which is rather questionable from a rules point of view, mind. Though AotI IAL will let you do it...

>>2804823

This tale also shall be told!

>>2805429

I'd think it's just about impossible.

>>2805910

They're not actually breaking the rules in having so many tanks; according to Insignum Astartes, some chapters are known for having such huge numbers of tanks. The Reasonable Marines' are to the extreme of that spectrum. But the only rule they actually break WRT to tanks is in producing (well, sanctioning the production of) Land Raiders for other forces.

It is a little known fact that the reason most geneseed implantation fails is that the recipient must be an XY male with de La Chapelle syndrome affecting their X chromosomes, making the individual a double-male for extra manliness. XX combinations without de La Chapelle syndrome would require such radical gene and hormonal therapy as to be impossible, particularly for females past the pubescent stage.

>>2806134
>females past the pubescent stage

Suddenly... the Loli Marines.

>>2806170
Those are SoB initiates.

>>2806134

But de la Chapelle syndrome requires a Y chromosome to cross over from. Essentially, two fathers.

How would such a thing happen? It's not like realistic mutation could go "suddenly, penises!" especially since egg cells do not divide or mutate during the course of a female's life.

>>2806188
>realistic mutation
Wait, nevermind, I get it.

I think people are forgetting that Reasonable Marines don't purge Xenos.

WHERE ARE THEY HIDING THE MONOCLE ORKS?

What would the Imperial Cult be like on the RM homeworlds?

I imagine it would be something like Buddhism where people would meditate on the teachings of the Emperor and seek to emulate him as an enlightened being, but not necessarily worship him.

>>2806201

Reasonable Marines required a reasonable way to vent their sexual appetites, to prevent them from behaving irrationally given the Emperor's testosterone running through their bodies.
Orks thrive on war.
The Monocle Orks have been given only love.

>>2806240
>>Reasonable Marines required a reasonable way to vent their sexual appetites, to prevent them from behaving irrationally given the Emperor's testosterone running through their bodies.

And they're reasonable. They're into consentual sex. With other humans, of whichever gender appeals.

but space marines don't have a sex drive

only a HATE DRIVE

>>2806285

Nothing screams "repression" like a HATE DRIVE.

It stands to reason that dealing with such things in a sane and healthy way will prevent them from rushing into blunders on the battlefield.

>>2806268

How many humans are there out there that could reasonably be expected to survive this "man of steel, woman of kleenex" form of coupling?

>>2806298
>>How many humans are there out there that could reasonably be expected to survive this "man of steel, woman of kleenex" form of coupling?

Do I have to think about this?

Well. I rather doubt that marines actually ejaculate with superhuman force. Except slanesshi ones, who probably do. So really, what they've got to avoid is accidentally tearing their lovers limb from limb.

Besides, if in doubt, there's other space marines.

>what they've got to avoid is accidentally tearing their lovers limb from limb.

But unarmored Space Marines can tear apart tanks.

Tanks made of ceramite.

A weak HUG would probably kill a normal human, and harshly restraining your passions during an activity that acts as a means of venting your passions doesn't make much sense, as it leaves us back at "heterosexual space marines have to stay all repressed or go prison gay," which would probably make them go just as crazy as the rest of the space marines.

The most immediatey apparent solution is to form an all-gay chapter. Or perhaps a chapter that, shall we say, EMBRACES the xenos.

Heteromarines probably have to resort to bondage. With themselves as the bonded. And like, industrial strength chains.

>>2805364
Star Child

>So really, what they've got to avoid is accidentally tearing their lovers limb from limb.

Well they could let their wives (salamanders) or whatever women they might be fucking be on top and do all the work.

>>2806371

"And this is the Release Chamber. As you can see from the full-body restraints, motion within the Release Chamber's containment units is severely impeded. Say the "Word of Safety" to the servitor once Released and you will be unfettered. This is how you will engage in sexual activity from this day onwards."

>>2806373
They seek to prevent his coming as a Chaos God, and plan to "forcibly restrain him" and to "reform him for his own good."

This is why they've been accumulating armed forces.

Apparent solution: They must get their hot dickings by screwing fully armoured bolter bitches.

Man, superstrength with fleshy vulnerability must SUCK.

Imagine having to worry about ripping it right off every time you jerk off.

Maybe Angry Marines are just the result of other chapter's scouts failing to learn some proper technique for it.

>>2806408
"Sister Superior, why must we perform these endurance drills so often? And the aerobics too?"
"You will need them once you turn 18. Trust me."

Can someone remind me what Reasonable Marines look like? I have a vague idea that they're painted grey, with a THIS WAY UP sign on their shoulderpads, but I don't know if that's accurate.

>>2806461
Camo as appropriate. When out of conflict areas, they wear safety vests so a forklift doesn't run them over.

>>2806471
Marvellous.

Reasonable Marines: Take Many Prisoners!

>>2806492
This thread is tempting me to write a Angry Marine(With as supporting cast of Imperials) vs. Resonable Marines (With their combined arms plus any allies they have gained from their diplomacy)

Prologue:
"Chapter Master of the Angry Marines, the Imperium requires your aid. I understand that it is tradition that on the day your Primarch was discovered that you gather the whole chapter for a celebration-" Inqusitor Lord Damnos sat in the metal chair provided by the marines as he had his audiance with the Lord of the Angry Marines. The sounds of the celebration echoed loudly through the chamber as the bravest amongst the Angry Marines attempted to play the aincient game of 'Battletoads' with great honor going to the one who got the farthest. "And this is good, for a terrible heresy has taken root. They pander to Xenos, show mercy to heretics and viciously violate tradition!" Damnos was a staunch monodominant, and thus prone to anger when confronted by any manner of deviance, but the Chapter Monestary had made his fuse very short indeed. "Many other chapters have pledged their support. Dark Angels, Dark Templars, Flesh Tearers, Dark Stalkers, and more, supported by the Regiments of Krieg,Cadia and others, The Order of Bloody Rose and even the Grey Knights. But we need your men to lead the assault, as only your Chapter has the holy rage needed to destroy the heresy!"

Temperus Maximus sat upon his throne and pondered the Inqusitor Lords words. The air shimmered about him from his latent, simmering rage. His throne scorched black from generations of Masters who sat upon it and vented heir anger in its prescence. He had a hard descion to make. Commting the entire chapter to war against a fellow chapter of Astartes was no small matter, let alone considering how the entire system they were to attack was defended by 3000 Marines, 2000 Battle-Sisters and countless guard. The casualties would be great, the enemy mighty and many of his men would die.

He rose. "FUCK. THEIR. SHIT. UP."

>>2806558
>Inqusitor Lord Damnos sat in the metal chair provided by the marines as he had his audiance with the Lord of the Angry Marines.
>Inqusitor Lord Damnos sat in the metal chair
>the metal chair
>METAL CHAIRS

>>2806592
Intentional/10

The response of the imperium would depend on several factors.

1. If this inquisitor survived the trip home to recount his findings to the inquisition in person (because astropathic communications are not reliable and could be forged, this is just out of the ordinary enough to force a hearing with the high inquisitor.

2. If the high inquisitor finds this heresy too great to outweigh the effect the marines are having in their sector. Strictly speaking the inquisition cannot pass judgment against space marines unless they have clearly gone rogue, and the document clearly states they haven't, though they have some very strange customs. He has to bear in mind that many space marine chapters have strange ways, and interpret the ways of the imperium differently. Also, they are stabilizing a sector of space that could be paying valuable tithes to the imperium later.

3. The location in the galaxy. If this area of space where the reasonable marines are located is anywhere near the galactic east, they may call in support from alien forces in the area (namely the Tau empire, who would probably not hesitate to start trade the moment they appeared out of the warp storms). Also its a matter of attacking a well entrenched foe with a large number of powerful elite soldiers at their disposal with some of the finest vehicles humanity has to offer. Supply lines, space battles, and navigational hazards may make the fight too costly.

4. The effect on morale while fighting these troops. An inquisitor may only REQUEST assistance from space marines, and if the fellow chapters does not see this purge just, they will only rely on the forces of the sisters of battle and the guard(the gray knights only fight demons). The reasonable marines even handed society would be devastating to the morale of the guard, and could cause people to turn coat.

>>2806471
Oh wow, that sounds familiar... but the idea of marines using camoflauge is pure lulz. "What the fuck is wrong with your armor, marine!"

5. Is there any better way to remove them then direct conflict? the diversion of a hive fleet through the systems they control, or baiting an Ork Waaagh could have just as good an effect as smashing them with cyclone missiles without the cost of a full crusade. Proper propaganda afterwords could show how 'weak' a society like this is

>>2806606
The Reasonable Marines already have trade agreements with the Tau. Very Very Good Ones.

Ones involving Arms exchange.

>>2806608
Wait, these reactions sound...Reasonable. Very reasonable. So reasonable, infact you should come aboard this nice black ship we have...

Thought for the Day: Reward the Traitor as he deserves.

>>2806617
Well, it's only time to get worried if they let the Tau get their blue fingers on Imperium drive technology, because currently one of the major weaknesses of the Tau Empire is that their FTL is a piece of shit.

>>2806627
how the hell could Tau use Imperial FTL technology? Their bodies cannot process spice, so they can't have Navigators

>>2806650
Yeah, but They can use those who have spice flow to transport them- you know, if they could figure out enough about to make it work with the Gue'la they have.

Also, does anyone else want to see Angry Marines vs. Reasonable Marines? Because that sounds like a bloodbath.

>>2806661
Angry marines get angry, Reasonable marines use rubber bullets and tasers to restrain their cousins.

Moving along...

>>2806691
Angry Marines are far too Angry to be stopped by such things.

SCARY MARINES

FUCK SHIT JESUS

>>2806723

Angry Marines face the terrible firepower of the Reasonable Marines' counselling batallions, who will force them to talk through their rage.

>>2806802
Who will of course use drones to contact them, 'cause they're reasonable, not stupid.

And if that doesn't work, well, the Angry Marines will be too busy being angry at the drones to realise while they were raging a reasonable amount of artillery has targeted their position.

>>2806802
"So, what is the source of your anger?"
"YOUR HERESY!"
"Is that what it really is?"
"YE- I MEAN.... OUR PRIMARCH ABANDONED US!"

Dread's wrapped in styrofoam ?

>>2806268

They do it with Reasonable Daemonettes of course.

>>2806829
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Still waiting on the Reasonable Codex.

Dunno if anyone else was working on a Reasonable Codex, but I stalled on it because trying to make it unique was a bit of work. Beyond that, it's hard to give them disadvantages compared to standard space marines.

>>2807008
How about: lack of support from the Imperium makes their models more expensive?

And they're still spess mereens, so they don't have to be THAT unique.

>>2807030
Well, the idea I had behind it was:

Make them more shooty.

Give them better support fire options.

Give them better tactical bonuses, such as better cover saves

And since they'd take a real combined arms approach to combat, striping stuff out seemed like a bad idea. I figured on the cycle troops being gone and removing flamers as a choice, but that didn't seem near enough of a drawback.

>>2807008
How about severely outnumbered units gets an initative bosnus or something against them ? at least for their first action ?
A reasonable enemy surrenders now... why is that guy charging ?

Wouldn't apply to Orks (Even RM knows that Orks and reason don't cohabit them same braincase)

>>2807060
I like the sound of it, how about instead of naturally having better cover saves, make it an option to buy camo like with IG.

The Angry Marine codex has them overpowered too, when I played them I just put myself at a points handicap.

>>2807073
Maybe a Special Rule similar to Necron's Phase Out for tactical retreat.

The one question I had was thus: When do Space Marines become Space Marines? I've heard people say pre puberty, but then I read about stuff like Space Wolves where they're carted off after falling in battle, which doesn't seem like a pre puberty sort of situation to me.

Anyways, as far as choice, the army would have three basic sets, I think.

Space Marines themselves would take the Troops and Elites choice(along with HQ), while IG would be in Troops and fast attack. Bolter Bitches would take the Heavy Support choices, minus a few SM choices.

Further ideas: Dreads would become mobile HQs of a sort, providing bonuses(Leadership? rerolls on ranged attacks?) to troops nearby as well as fire support, at the cost of heavier weapons(It'd carry it's cannon and the other slot would be for the communications suite).

Another idea was to somehow limit the players options because of the RM's combat doctrine. The first(terrible) idea was to say that you can't take a RM army without at least 1 Heavy Support or fast attack choice, since they always work with support. The second(better) idea was to always do stuff like force transports: take that squad of Stormtroopers? Has to come with a Chimera. That squad of RMs? Needs a transport(would Marines be able to use Chimera's?)

>>2807180
sadly we're dealing with GW fluf here and GW fluf no matter how soft and pillowy it looks is really just a mess of used needles and glass slivers.
each chapter will have differnt recruiting methods and these can begin at different times. you may have read that you can't get the implants and such past puberty but the caveat is that the wolves are pretty weird and fluf consistency is sacrafised for flavor sometimes.
the short answer is: it's whichever you want it to be.

>>2807201
Awesome.

That means that RMs recruit out of their local Imperial Guard groups, with the logic being that they've already seen combat, and better yet, they know what it's like to be the little guy.

And that's why they take IG as allies.

>>2807210
yes the RM would always strive to take the best recruits regardless of age. even if that meant... "too old to begin the training he is"

>>2807237
Na, they'd screen genetically, and look for the ones suitable for implants. After a tour of duty of 2-5 years, those suitable(and having shown to have a fairly reasonable attitude) would be approached with the offer of becoming a RM, an offer which they can turn down if they wish. Those accepted would go through the process as normal.

And using this, I think I can swing it with RMs only being elite choices(after all, they'd have even stricter entrance requirements, especially in personality, than the others would) and not having scouts at all, as anyone they do induct is already a seasoned vet.

>>2807252
pardon if the double posts (connection trouble). but I think it may be worth exploring the differences between RM gaurdsmen and typical gaurdsmen. Just as an example I think commisars might have a different role.

>>2806373
Mario and Luigi are the Star Child reborn as twins. OH SHI-

>>2807275
Honestly? They'd only take Stormtroopers, not regular guardsmen. They'd be less of them to go around, obviously, but considering that most detachments would have SM and Sister's of Reason support, I doubt that'd be a big deal.

I imagine the Reasonable Marines would make ample use of Shock Mauls in close combat.

RM Modeling ideas: Only the commanders wear helmets.

>>2807291
yeah, perhaps you're right. there would be enough gaurd to go around leaving the top tier for RM support roles.
as an aside have you noticed that discussion of reasonable marines engenders reasonable discussion?

>>2806802

I think Angry Marines' anger is just TOO ANGRY for any reason to pierce it.

>>2808562
Reasonable Marines are just far too Reasonable for anyone to stay angry at them. This is how they avoid the wrath of the Inquisition.

>>2807310

Yeah...no head armor for anyone...that sounds...reasonable.

Oh. Wait.

>>2808692
The joke being that it's a parody of normal space marines. Instead of the commanders being idiots and not wearing their helmets, they're the only ones smart enough too.

>>2808793

Yes, I understand the joke, but Reasonable Marines aren't just "LOL BACKWARDS MARINES."

They actually do everything reasonably and think out all of their plans, which means that while yes, the commanders would wear helmets, because that's the reasonable thing to do, so would all the other Marines, because, again, reasonable.