Like fa/tg/uys don't know dice aren't random.

Nothing random about fate.

If you're terribly concerned, just use casino dice or a random number generator.

>>3052457

No, I have to roll them. I like the feeling + casino dice don't have d20s.

Deal with it.

never for the love of god say 'anything but a 1 to save him'

Man, this guy is laying down the fucking law about the dice! Delivering the beatdowns!

I wonder what the legal definition of a "sharp, crisp edge" is?

I would prefer dice that less often roll 1s or 20s, because a 1 is more damning then a 20 is saving. That said, if your really worried about it use an electronic pseudo-random number generator.

>>3052466
ABANDON YOUR FOOLISH SYSTEM.

THERE CAN BE ONLY CUBES. ALL THE OTHER PYTHAGOREAN SOLIDS ARE FOR PUSSIES, AND IF YOU USE A NON-PYTHAGOREAN SOLID, YOU'RE A CADWALLER, A DOUCHE, AND A TWAT. BEWARE.

>>3052467

My Imperial Guard are equipped with rocket launchers. Not missile launchers.

I don't trust anything with 'MISS' in the name.

>How does it make you feel that after this whole time you were rolling perfectly random, that in actuality your rolls were completely inaccurate??

>>3052518
Call it Enemy Chaser. Its pretty much a Homing Missile Launcher.

Totally indifferent.

>>3052512
>PYTHAGOREAN
Hey, I just discovered that you can't write the cube root of 2 as the ratio of two integers.

>>3052437
That guys a pretty good speaker. Sells his product well, supports his facts... He's a cool guy.

/tg/...

Design a Non-Euclidean dice.

I need it for a CoC game.

Why doesn't he machine all of his dice to have casino edging and no clip-marring?

>>3052550
He hits the "I'm he original badass and nobody else could ever be as cool as me" note way too often for my liking.

>>3052554
Sure, but it won't roll evenly.

>>3052555
Because it would cost a ton and nobody would buy it.

>>3052550

True that.

Thank you for the videos OP very informative

>>3052554

"ALL ANGLES ON THIS OBJECT ARE NINETY DEGREES" "IT HAS 3 PAIRS OF PARALLEL FACES" "IT HAS 5 SIDES"

>>3052554
This is actually really easy.

D7. Roll a numbered octahedron and reroll any result of 8. Limits dictate that infinite rerolling will not occur.

>>3052554
Actually, the surface of every die is a hyperbolic geometry.

awesome video OP

>>3052569
Euclid can still do hyperbolic functions. It just leads to really really excessively complicated roots and functions that can't be integrated by normal means.

Sorta like how you can represent a linear function with polar coordinates. It can be done. It's just annoying as fuck.

What does a 1 sided die look like?

>>3052581
a line with a number on it.

>>3052577
I was referring to the definition that given a line l and a point A not on line l, there are an infinite number of lines containing A that do not intersect line l. Which violates the parallel postulate.

>>3052581
idk my bff jill

i figure it would be some kind of singularity, since 1 side is not possible in this world we live in

>>3052581
A sphere. With a single dimple if you actually want it to stop rolling eventually.

>>3052560

You can buy casino dice from the gift store for cheap.

So you can get d6s, but not the others yet.

>>3052590
or you could roll it one something like carpet, which would naturally stop the rolling anyways. although a 1 sided dice is retarded since you would always get the same result.

i personally think a dice with shit like the schrodinger equation on it would be baller.

>>3052588
...but... skew lines are awesome...

He keeps referring the the singular "die" as the plural "dice," and that makes me squirm.

>>3052498
acurate to .0001 and measure 3/4" each.

Only monkeys play with equal odds dice.

Real players test out all of their dice, recording thousands or rolls, until they pick one that rolls significantly higher than the rest of the pack.

They then feed their group some lukewarm bullshit about fate and destiny and true heroism while using that die.

>>3052599
Ok.

Hm. There were a couple things that bug me (like his statement of "if I get a thousand dice that are 1/1,000th of an inch off and stack them up to a thousand of my dice, the off-stack will be 1 inch taller or shorter than my dice!", which is untrue unless you get a mass of dice that are all off in the same way, which isn't what he said). Also, he didn't directly address my manufacturer of choice, Chessex. Their dice almost always stack up the same way, from what I can tell, and having used individual Chessex dice for over six years now I haven't seen the slightest bit of wear on their edges. He also didn't mention how having round edges inhibits randomization, because in fact it does not. IRREGULAR edges impact randomization, which is why cheating "gamblers" shave the edges of their dice: to create a statistical irregularity in the dice. The crisp edges in casino dice are there for the benefit of dealers who need to be able to quickly verify that a die has not been tampered with.

>>3052581
It would look like this.

If you're such a tremendous faggot that you need casino-level randomization in your polyhedrals, check out Gamescience dice. Same sharp edges at twice the price!

>>3052606
Did you just look that up, you sad motherfucker?

>>3052618
That's hardly non-euclidian.

>>3052630
That would be the point of the video, yes.

>>3052618
It still has three sides- it's not an infinitely thin strip. If you used one with square cross section you could twist it twice and reduce it down to two sides but that's the best you'll get within physical limits.

>>3052636
It is, however, one-sided.

>>3052636
He was doing a 1 sided figure, and wasn't trying to do a non-euclidean one.

>>3052498
1/5000 of an inch for casino dice, it's explained. That's just casino dice, though. There is no legal definition for non-gambling dice.

Now I want gamescience dice. I hate all my dice now, thanks a lot /tg/. Ignorance is bliss.

I'm buying some at next year's Gencon, definitely.
About how much for a set?

MAHCHIIIIIINED

>>3052641
When's the last time you had a coin land on its third side on a flat surface?

>>3052651
Wait, so you couldn't prosecute someone for attempting to cheat a casino by using non-standard dice? You couldn't produce the dice used, and witnesses or video confirming that he had, in fact, used those dice, and show that they did not, in fact, conform to the legal definition of gambling dice? How then is such cheating prosecuted?

>>3052653

They're cheap man.

http://www.gamestation.net/Precision-Opaque-7-Piece-Dice-Set/M/B001D6GTAU.htm

Even

http://www.gamestation.net/Ruby-Red-Polyhedral-PrecisionEdge-12Dice-Set/M/B001DLJKS8.htm

wouldn't exactly bankrupt a neckbeard considering what they spend on warhammer 40k

>>3052665
Its not so much prosecuted as you're thrown out of the casino sans money plus bruises.

>>3052661
It would still have 2 sides at the least due to physical contraints which is what the guy was pointing out.

>>3052557

Seconded... at one point he said, "My competitors got into the business for one reason, to make money."

Yeah, like you didn't get into it to make money too ya dick.

>>3052669
$35?
That's not so bad, I guess.

>>3052659
$9 for a set of seven, $12 for a set of seven with the numbers inked.

Cheaper than I can get them in town, at least.

>>3052689
That's about the same price as Chessex.

>>3052683
You won't give his neckbeard the benefit of the doubt?

>>3052696
Actually, disregard that. I remember getting Chessex for about 7.50 a set.

The really funny thing is that the whole time he was wearing a Zocchihedron tshirt. I say Zocchihedron because the thing has a clear seam around its hemisphere as an artifact of its construction that - aided by the NON-sharp edges of the thing - skews results towards the poles, making it less useful as a d100 than a pair of percentile dice.

>>3052689
Bought a pair of Chessex ruby dice (w/ white lettering) for something like 6 or 7 bucks at a local shop. The edges are fairly rounded off, but the letters don't seem to have any breaks, so I guess they're not too bad.

Some of those $9 sets look pretty nice, though.

>>3052703
Actually, all the major dice manufacturers have done a similar spiel at various points. Game Science is unique in that they still do it.

This is just a man advertising his product, nothing more. I almost pity the people who are stupid enough to fall for this.

>>3052717
I just meant that the only LGS in my area marks up dice like crazy.
Generic, poorly made dice (even by normal standards) go for like $1.50 each and sets are in the $12-$16 range.

I'm going to grab a set of GameScience dice for Xmas... (yes for myself)

and celebrate Jim furfag Profit's permaban.

>>3052735
Christ that's pricey. D:

The Keep sells individuals for something like 70-80 cents.

I thought he was full of shit but sounds plausible.

>>3052683
What he's saying is that accusing him of price gouging by saying everyone else is cheaper is fucking retarded, because they're just trying to make money too. The difference is that he uses higher quality materials and puts more work into his dice so the cost increase is justified.

>>3052765
Every one needs to pay the mortgage.

But he also has a hard on for dice.

>>3052779
He must dream in polyhedrons. The man must be like some sort of UA adept who picks up charges when someone rolls max on a die or something.

>>3052817
He must sleep on a bed of dice. I bet every part of his body normally covered by his clothing is coated in a Smaug-like encrustation of dice. And when he gets an erection, it's always exactly the same length with lots of 8's and 2's visible along the top of the shaft.

I just checked mine, they all suck. I'll see if my FLGS has any good ones.

Somebody get Mythbusters on this shit!

>>3052835
>>3052817
Well, don't just *stand* there, stat him!

>>3052752
There used to be an awesome LGS downtown, the Cheshire Cat, sold comics downstairs, games upstairs, and had a vending machine that sold dice. It closed in 2003 after the church it was renting from (the church owned all of that block) raised the rates higher than they could afford (probably due to the fact that gaming is evil or somesuch nonsense, but they just rented the building out to a bar anyway).

>>3052736

Fuck yes. Count me in.

>>3052863
I should mention that the dice vending machine cost 50 cents and would often give you things like a d20 and a d6 in the same capsule.

I just stacked a bunch of my Chessex D10s a couple times and they seem to come up even.

Also.... This:
>>3052858

I only play Burning Wheel and Trail of Cthulhu. I use balanced casino dice. All my rolls are random.

>>3052860
I'll leave that for some other anon, as it would require the creation of a whole new Adept school. I think a good central paradox for the school is that they seek to influence events and people, but are utterly subject to the whims of random chance themselves. It has no blast. Their taboo is that they cannot alter a die roll - they must play it where it falls. Moreover, they cannot roll a die without recording its outcome in their notebook to verify true randomness.

>>3052542

KILL THE UNBELIEVER, NUMBERS RULE THE UNIVERSE

I would only roll a die if the roll was first calculated through a truly random system based on numbers generated through ambient, atmospheric noise. Anything less is for scrubs.

>>3052669
>GameScience makes Precision dice that will role true every time. Edges are sharp, as these dice are not tumbled like most brands.

YOU MAKE DICE FOR A LIVING, HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO TYPE "ROLL"?!

>>3053030
I see what you did there.

>>3052987
You can't hide the truth of the irrationals forever!

>>3053030
It's called a typographical error.

Okay, totally cosmetic nitpick here. I hate bottom numbered d4s. Also, d6s with an actual digit on them. The dots just feel right!

>>3052860
str-10
con-7
dex-8
wis-17
int-17
cha-18

F

So far from this thread I have learned:

stacking d20s is a bitch. I forgot why I gave up on it while at the table.

God, these suckers are unstable.

...That must be this man's plan: after trying to mimic his dice towers, we will buy his die. I bet I could stack a 10-high free standing tower of Gamescience die!

Jesus, how hard do you have to use dice?

>>3053186
He's using your OCD as a selling point!

On a related note, I want some Gamescience dice now.

Noobs, I use only the finest D20s machined from a crystal of 99.9% pure silicon, with the numbers represented in binary to minimise weight differences between the sides.

>>3053259
sweet! tell me where i can get some!

>>3053304
>>3053259
yep

>>3053259
Umm, actually they were going to make the International Kilogram Standard a docecahedron of silicon crystal instead of the cylinder they have now, but after I etched the numbers on...
Well, you know how exacting they are with these things so they started again this time with a cylinder because all the ones they made in platonic solids were... liberated.

>>3052581
Sphere.

>>3053376
Everybody knows that's an infinite sided die.

He's a good spruiker, and its plausible too.

need to import some dice now, but i dont want to support the american economy...

grr so conflicted. must have perfect dice, must destroy american economy...

>>3053402
>spruiker

>>3053394
oh shi-

>>3053402
Then find a local machine shop and see how much it'll cost to make dice even better than his.

>>3053452
Y'know, a good CNC router and a blank of solid brass could produce some epic dice.

>>3053452
Machining a D20 is actually quite some challenge without a CNC machine.
Fuck, now i'm not gonna get any work done and boss is gonna fire me for abusing his CNC machines.

that magic trick was pretty sweet.

Purchased.

>>3053518

Goddamn do those look pretty.

>>3053499
>>3053501
Can we get someone to model some dice for a CNC machine?

>>3053577
no

>>3052715
Also, said shirt should have been at least two sizes larger.

I can't find the post now, but whoever posted dicecollector.com really sent me on a trip to memory lane.

<== The card on these dice defines my childhood artistic tastes. I miss the days when RPG art looks as if it could double for carnival dark ride art.

>>3052507
>>3052457
Fools, an electronic RNG only pseudo-random. A more powerful computer could always predict the result, thus ruining your game.

>>3054291
Bitchez don't know 'bout mah hardware static generators.

>>3053518
The edges on the d4 look silly in comparison to the razor sharp edges on the other dice. I suppose it's done so it doesn't just land and stop right away?

>>3054340
It's so it actually can roll, yeah. I have that problem with my normal d4s, they simply land on the table and don't move.

Damnit Taiwan!
UN. SKILLED. WORKERS!
MACHIIIIIINED!

I need a pretty stranger.
You look pretty strange.

Rolling randomly? Hah! Obviously you have never felt the powers of the thirty two Gods of Dice.

Cool dice bro. That said, for the same reason that I do not feel the compulsion to go buy casino dice for my 40k games I do not feel the need to get these dice.

>>3054287I miss the days when RPG art looks as if it could double for carnival dark ride art.
I don't.

Also, an old man going butthurt over dice. I buy cheap dice, and I've never noticed any sort of real "OMG, ROLLING POORLY" -shockers. It really doesn't make that big a difference.

>>3054383
Because having fixed dice is better as long as you use the ones that favor yourself.

GUYS DO THEY SELL TO YUROPEEAN CUSTOMERS?

>>3054391
Eat a Dick. My dice may not be completely random but I have no idea what numbers they favor. Besides, I mostly play dice pool games so it matters even less.

>>3054396dice pool games
lol

>>3054399
lol?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice_pool

>>3054361

That's because they're not dice. In the distant past, when the brave roleplayers fought a losing battle against their greatest foe, the Batshit Insane People Thinking Games Made People Kill Themselves, they needed a weapon. They could not carry them legally, because their moms, in whose basements they dwelled, would take them away.

In their hour of need, a young man with a neckbeard more vast than any seen before or after, devised a cunning plan. Learning from the very books his kind coveted, he saw the caltrops, and a plan began forming. They would create a weapon that would be too akin to their dice for the enemy to discover. And so they did. Forged upon the sacred Core Rules, cooled with the ashes of a thousand demons, was born the first d4.

It's not meant to roll, it's meant to stand proudly, as a defender of the neckbeard kin.

Dices: serious business

>>3054416
>Dices

I don't know how you managed that.

>>3054403
after many... unfortunate events involving d4s and unshoed neckbeards, I've always wondered how many other people referred to them as caltrops. I can only imagine what would happen if we used game science dice, christ

>>3054416

>> Dices

FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT! THE PLURAL IS FUCKING "DICE", THE SINGULAR IS "A DIE"! I'M GOING TO FUCKING FIND YOU AND RAPE YOU TO DEATH WITH A NAIL BAT THROUGH THE FUCKING SOLE OF YOUR FOOT! I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL YOU YOU FUCK

That settles the case. I'm gonna buy a buttload of GameScience dice now.

>>3054427
Why not use a D4?

>>3054424

Sharp edges? Fuck, people have died of less.

>>3054434
Or a d4-studded bat.

Improvised neckbeard mace.

>>3054427
>>3054418

Um. True. To my defense though, english is not my native language. This being said, I am ready to face the full consequences of my error, and roll for anal circumference if needed.

>>3054445

>>english

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>3054445
Accepted

>>3052581
Sphere

>>3054395

http://www.gamestation.net/info/Shipping_Policy

Bought some of my own. Bought the $35 pack with D3

>>3054672
there is everything in that pack i want
except a D7 and a D9

>>3054672

i need to find a shop that ships internationally without charging +25 dollars...

How come there's no set with just d6s?

I can't believe I watched all of that AND found it interesting. Help me.

>>3054672
WHY WOULD YOU WANT A D3
CAN'T YOU JUST USE A D6 AND HALVE THE NUMBER ROUNDING UP

I wonder if the paint itself can weigh the die.

>>3056651
That's why you get the paint-less dice and use a fine-point sharpie in whatever color you like.

You can feel him shifting into "sales mode" whenever he conjures up the spectre of defeat by GMs rolling innacurate dice, KILLING YOUR CHARACTER!

My comic book dealer speaks with a similar tone in his voice whenever he praises the pristine condition of his comics and how that increases your collections value.

I don't buy single issue comics anymore (more of a reader than a collector anyway), but I would buy a set of that guys dice.

Then, after that awesome lecture I would go to a cheapo dicebin and hunt for D20 with lines still visible around the 1 and its neighbour surfaces and a really licked down 20 surface with its edges polished away.

Gotta examine my current gaming dice...

Are your random number generators really random and how it could cost your beloved character his LIFE!

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>>3052554
Your wish is my command.

I've seen good dice and bad dice. My friends call them lucky or cursed, but I knew what was going on. If had the money, I'd buy buckets of each type of dice, each the same color, and every game night I'd pass them out, without knowing which were good or bad. Call me a Nazi, but I'd even start dishing out minor smites to for players rolling their dice to see the numbers they'll be getting. Hell, after every roll, use a new die!

I have friends whose dice always roll horribly, I should buy them these.

>>3052752

70 - 80 cents each. Must be amaaaaaaazing quality dice *cough*

FUUUUCCKKKKKK

>>3057564
Well, now my eyes are bleeding and I'm covered in squid. Thanks a fucking ton.

does 0.254mm actually affect rolling behaviour THAT much? ill have to pull out my micrometer, a pair of d6 and after correcting them by polishing them against a perfectly flat abrasive on a perfectly flat glass surface (600 grit glasspaper 'll do). then pick one, shorten it 0.254mm on the 1 to 6 axis and compare.

just for argument's sake I'll do another, this time ill lave the faces as is, instead I'll polish around the edge on the "6" side. increasing the radii on those in an attempt to prevent it from rolling 1's.

>>3058546
I'll do that, of course, right after I learn Americaneese

>>3052437
Fuck, he just blew my mind...

>>3058280
I thought that was Po-ju art from the thumbnail. I was sorely disappointed. WHERE'S MY PO-JU FIX, ANON?!

He blinded me with science.

>>3058712
Isn't that the catboy who likes it in the bum?

No matter which way you answer, I feel dirty now.

>>3059105
Po-ju is an artist. This artist has produced a number of catboys and dogboys and bunnyboys, all of whom either like it in the bum or like it while being treated as girls, but most often both.

>>3058997

>>3052437
Aside from Gencon, where can I buy these wonderous items?

>>3060260
If only there was a search engine that people could use to look up information they want to know... perhaps something called google or something. But that's space age tech right there.

http://www.gamestation.net/search.htm?keyword=Gamescience

>>3060297
yeah, i just did a search right after i posted. excuse me 4chan, i beg your forgivness.

>>3060304
Forgiveness? From Anony-fucking-mous?

Oh... all right. Just don't do it again.

Hey guys is there a sufficient random number generator available?

Sufficient as in as close to truly random as can be achieved for free.

>>3060310
Thank you very much.

ITT: We are polite.

>>3060316
certified random
http://www.random.org/

>>3060327
Excellent, I thank you very much.