People die when it is killed.

lol it's sometime known as a deathstar...

WHAT STILL BLOWS MY MIND ABOUT THE DAMN THING IS IT'S ONLY 8 FEET TALL.

IT'S FIGHTING CREATURES LIKE COMETARY (TIME) DRAGONS THAT MEASURE IN THE THOUSANDS OF FEET. IT'D JUST LOOK LIKE A LITTLE WHITE BLUR, ANNIHILATING WHOLE CHUNKS OF DRACONIAN SERPENT WITH EACH PUNCH.

When would you even use this crap?

>>3108897

Shock value after the PCs have already done their job I guess.

>>3108897
When stuff truly needs to die.

Kinda like an AK-47. When you absolutely, positively, have to hit the broad side of a barn.

Though, I wonder why the creator didn't just say, "THINGS DIE" for damage rolls. Would've been a lot easier.

>>3108921

BECAUSE AT THE SORT OF LEVELS THAT YOU'LL EVEN ENCOUNTER SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOUR STATS WOULD ALSO BE "THINGS DIE", AND IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO FIND 3D(DEATH).

Can be sneaked around with tenth sense.

>>3108950
Fuck yeah, only a Craft of 9172. I'm almost there.

Cthulhu can still devour 1d6 of these per round.

>>3108964

TENTH SENSE WAS THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY LAUGHED OUT LOUD AT THE ASCENSION BOOK.

"THE DM HANDS YOU HIS CAMPAIGN NOTES."

Fun thing: ego whip can get this thing in a catatonic state for a day.

>>3108991

CONSTRUCTS ARE IMMUNE TO ABILITY DAMAGE.

NICE TRY, THOUGH.

>>3109008

Yeah, and psi powers anyway since they are mindless, thought about it afterwards.

>>3108991
How does it feel to be totally owned by another fucking faggot?

If this were 4e, you'd just need 10 15th level rogues to jog into its threat radius with their hands in their pockets.

>>3108744
Create Epic spell
Deal HUGE damage to self while crafting (lowered DC)
Backup True-Resurrection activates
Figure out way to get the damn thing to stay still for a sec
BOOM
?????
PROFI-SHITSHITDEATHTHROESFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

I make a DC 60 Perform Check from my Hikikomori Borg Cube.

>>3109045

>15th level
>within threat range

>Pulsed X-Ray

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE.

This thing is actually really underpowered for it's CR. Though in 3.5, once you have epic spellcasting, CRs may as well not matter.

>>3109056
Wait. It is mindless. Fuck.

That means that I need a Factotum to hit it with an Awaken Construct scroll first.

Anyone up to the task?

Pun-Pun could beat it....

Didn't we decide that a demi-lich planetoid would be able to murder these things?

>>3108950
The problem is, who has enough patience to find and kill 40 HD dragon peasants for 5 years straight (Real time) to get to 250 Hit Die. Or are we assuming to start from level 20?

>>3109056

ACTUALLY, I WONDER HOW LONG A NEUTRONIUM GOLEM WOULD HOLD UP.

IT'S *FAR* TOO HEAVY TO BE AFFECTED BY THE WHIRLWINDS, AND COULD PROBABLY TAKE THE SPELL TURRET ATTACKS WITH EASE...

THAT LEAVES IT SOMEHOW PIERCING AN INVINCIBLE WALL...

UNLESS ONE OF THE DUMB FUCKS IS STUPID ENOUGH TO *TELEPORT* IN, THEN YOU'RE TRAPPED INSIDE WITH IT...

>>3109069
So? You just need to teleport them in.

>>3109092
Oh wait, my bad. Level 9721.

>>3109081
yea get pun-pun to kick its ass

>>3109090
Anybody mind running the math?

>>3109100
I DON'T RECALL ANY 4E TELEPORTATION SPELLS THAT MOVED THEIR TARGET 600 MILES.
>>3109070
IT IS, ACTUALLY. THE CR'S A TYPO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CR947, ARGUABLY LOWER DUE TO ITS LACK OF SPELLCASTING.

>>3109114
>Level 9721.

LORDY NO.

ACCORDING TO THE BOOKS THIS THING IS FROM, BEING LEVEL 9000+ WOULD REQUIRE ENCOMPASSING *NINE* WHOLE MULTIVERSES.

947 IS CLOSER.

>>3109130
Read the text. It says straight out that the caster must be at least level 9721 to cast it.

>>3109153

YES, AND I'M TELLING YOU THE AUTHOR HIMSELF HAS ADMITTED THAT THE NUMBERS ARE TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS.

NOT TO MENTION THEY DON'T FIT THE LOGIC OF NEUTRONIUM GOLEMS.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BODYGUARDS FOR MONADS, TIME LORDS, WHICH ARE LVL999-LVL1998.

IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE FOR A TIME LORD TO BE INCAPABLE OF CRAFTING THEIR OWN BODYGUARDS.

Okay. I think I have a plan. We get a Factotum with Time Buttress armor to Teleport in and hit him with Forcecage during a surprise round.

After that, it's just a matter of finding something that can kill it.

DM: "How many miles are you away from the thing?"
PL1: "uhm... I'm a thousand miles away?"
DM: "'kay. One sec, lemme get my laptop."
*Moments later*
DM: "Alright. You take 200 radiation damage."
PL1: "Sweet! I've just got eno..."
DM: -"Now for the 2000d6 bludgeoning blast damage... Oh, and the rogue has to make a fort save. The DC's Two-hundred fifteen. I don't think we have to do the two other rolls."
Party: "..."

>Read the text. It says straight out that the caster must be at least level 9721 to cast it.

H@X!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

>>3109172

DOESN'T DIVINE DAMAGE SMASH THROUGH FORCE EFFECTS?

>>3109171
Maybe he accidentally pressed the 1 on the way out of the document.

>>3109187
Well, do you know how one would kill it in one turn and a bunch of standard actions?

Time Lords, eh?
How appropriate. The TARDIS my level 40-something artificer is working on could probably take one of these down.
Force Forks- Over 9000 (okay, so a few hundred) touch attacks per round, 240 (40 maximized d6) force damage each, not subject to SR. Add in Violate Spell, and the absurd fast healing won't accomplish anything.
It will still take a hell of a long time, sure. Three minutes, assuming I only miss on natural ones.

I'm fairly confident in the ability of my TARDIS to withstand its attacks.

It can't be this easy. What am I missing?

>>3109219
Be a God.... Be a VERY powerful God

>>3109219
With the motherfucking Lichotron.

206 lvl 25 demilichs. LEVEL DRAIN MOTHERFUCKER!

>>3109187
I RETRACT THIS.
>>3109191
THERE'S LOTS OF ERRORS IN ASCENSION, OFTEN ON THE TABLES, WHERE DESCRIPTIONS ARE FOR THE WRONG POWER OR FOR A POWER THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

I'D SAY IT'S JUST THE EFFECTS OF ONE DUDE MAKING SEVERAL HUNDRED PAGE .PDFS ON HIS OWN.

>>3109228
Um... they're not related to the Gallifreyans

>>3109228

WHAT'S YOUR TO-HIT MODIFIER?

>>3109228
and then the XP for a level 40 character killing a CR 947 golem would be calculated, and the universe ends from lagging out by the sheer attempt at calculating it. And we're talking in P&P terms here.

Wow, that's kinda a lose-lose situation right there.

>>3109236
All right. If we can cage it, then we have enough time to hit it with a Sphere of Annihilation.

>>3109255
Enough to reach 41st level and enough XP to reach 42nd, minus one.

>>3109256
>cage

>flies at lightspeed
>heavier than a sun

What would the cage be made of? What would we tether him to?

>>3109235
I believe his name was Lichrider, but I might be mistaken.

What book is this and does anyone have more? This is hilariously over the top.

>>3109261
Oh. right. Forgot that rule.

>>3109266

IMMORTAL'S HANDBOOK BESTIARY HAS THE MONSTERS, AND ASCENSION HAS RULES ON ACTUALLY BECOMING GODS/SIDEREALS/ETERNALS.

>>3109171
They're not typos. They were just made up as fuckhuge numbers with no thought or consideration for balance.

>>3109244
I know. My TARDIS captain is a cyborg gnome.
>>3109245
If I buff properly... well over a hundred. I haven't quite dotted the ts and crossed the is, yet, and I'm a couple levels away from finishing this absurd battery of Tuning Forks of DOOM (and Violating them all), so maybe I'll come up with something new in the mean time to drive this number yet higher. Either way, I should be able to hit an 88 on a roll of 2.

Go science!

>>3109264
Probably with Heart. Lots and lots of Heart.

( By your powers combined, I am Captain planet!)

>>3109255
HOWEVER, I can delay SPENDING that XP for as long as I like.
And I'm an Artificer.
Who makes shit out of XP.

KA-CHING!

>>3109285

IF YOU CAN KEEP IT RESTRAINED FOR 3 MINUTES, GO AHEAD.

HOW FAST CAN YOU AND THE TARDIS RUN IF IT DOES BREAK FREE?

>>3109297
A one man factory?

>>3109264
Force, since it apparently doesn't have any force-annihilating attacks.

>>3109292
But Its radioactive. Captain Planet is weak to radiation because it is evil.

Hell what isn't the guy weak too?

>>3109307

DOESN'T DISINTEGRATE DESTROY FORCE EFFECTS?

>>3109292
Force is made out of Love, not Heart.

>>3109313

BELAY THAT, WOULDN'T MATTER ANYWAYS. WAS READING THE DEATH THROES.

>>3109303
Faster than it can.
Without triggering its Spell Stowaway.

And, yes, I'm perfectly aware that it can move at 300,000 km/s.
I can move at Back in time/s, motherfuckers!

>>3109285
>Go SCIENCE!
Fixed that for you.

>>3109312
I don't really think that has an answer.

Still, I can't get the thought of Heart actually DOING something other than being a complete waste of time.

Kinda like a universal Double Zinger.

WHY IS EVERYONE IN CRUISE CONTROL?
IT'S DUE TO THE GRAVITATIONAL FIELD, ISN'T IT?

>>3109345
BUT I'M JUST SO ATTRACTED TO YOU!

I will now shoot myself and end my pitiful life for the heresy I have committed.

How about composite armor? Layered Wall of Force- Anitmagic Field - Prismatic Wall- Wall of Force - Otiluke's telekinetic sphere - solid fog (because why the hell not?)

>>3109345
Mr. Rage shifts. It's why we love him so much and tolorate his tripfaggotry, as opposed to many other annoying ass tripfags.

>>3109324
So, if the Forcecage is overlaid with Permanent Walls of Force/a Riverine Cage, you could potentially keep it caged forever.

throw a few of

<------- these at it?

I've got a much more heavy duty weapon, the "Holocaust Cannon", but it is gravity based.
Dammit, I thought only MY DM went around arbitrarily giving things immunity to gravity.
Plus, the golem could make the save. Easily.

>>3109376
Sorry, did somebody call me over?

>>3109369
What about a Violet Veil?

>>3109410
It can apparently destroy the planet full of Tarrasques with a standard action.

Even though any self-respecting planet is going to have way the fuck more than a million HP.

Stalemate. The Neutronium Golem would never be able to actually kill the Tarrasque.

Theres a solution to all this. Open up a gate to the Warp, suck it in there. Its stats mean fuck all if its in the warp.

>>3109454
By the same logic, the Tarrasque will never be able to deal a single point of damage to the Golem, or inconvenience it for more than a single round at a time.

>>3109466
What about three or four flanking it.

>>3109457
True. But if its target attempts any sort of dimensional travel, then the golem is right next to them again.

ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW WAYS TO KILL THE MINION.

NOW LET'S KILL THE MASTER.

FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, WE'LL SAY IT'S A LEVEL 1000 OUTSIDER, USING ITS INTEGRATED CLASS LEVELS FOR THE CLASS FEATURES OF A 500TH LEVEL WIZARD. EHH...DIVINE/COSMIC/TRANSCENDENTAL ABILITIES WILL COME AS HE NEEDS THEM.

>>3109466
Well, it would certainly make a good distraction.

<Target has been neutralized. Resuming patr-DAMN IT.>

>>3109487
We're using Sigil as a staging point, correct?

>>3109487

OH WOW, THAT'S COCKS. IT DIDN'T SAVE THE CROP I DID TO DITCH ALL THAT WHITESPACE...

LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN...

>>3109487
"I am The Master, and YOU WILL OBEY ME!"

I see only two sensible options here.
1- Plot based defeat
2- Be fuckall more powerful than it, countering each of its "I win" abilities with an "I win MORE" ability.

I'm not quite sure what the "Transmortality" and "Unreal" abilites do. Care to clarify?

>>3109534
Is that a reference to the Source Wall from the DC Universe in the High Lords part?
If so, I wonder what that means for Darkseid. Or the Anti-Monitor, for that matter.

>>3109564

TRANSMORTALITY IS THE ABILITY OF A TIME LORD (OR HIGHER) TO BE UNKILLABLE BY CREATURES FROM YOUR OWN UNIVERSE, SAVE BY ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL. OR, IN THE CASE OF TIME LORDS COMPOSED OF X MULTIVERSES, 1 SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ACROSS X MULTIVERSES.

LIKEWISE, UNREAL IS A TOTAL IMMUNITY TO ALL BUT ONE SPELL FROM YOUR X UNIVERSES.

SO, A TIME LORD CAN ONLY BE KILLED WITH A SPELL, IF THE INDIVIDUAL CASTING THAT SPELL HAPPENS TO BE CASTING THE 1 SPELL THAT CAN HARM A TIME LORD, *OR*, IF NEITHER THE INDIVIDUAL NOR THE SPELL ARE FROM THE TIME LORD'S "NATIVE" UNIVERSE.

>>3109588
Makes perfect sense.

>>3109588

TO AVOID THIS REQUIRING SOME DM FIAT, WE'LL JUST SAY THAT ANYTHING WE THROW AT IT ISN'T FROM ITS UNIVERSE, NEGATING ITS TRANCORPOREAL, TRANSMORTAL AND UNREAL TRAITS.

>>3109588

That is some Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann shit right there.

Just throw a galaxy at it or something.

>>3109588
Okay, so MY "Time Lord", hereafter known as "The Bastard", will presumably be from a different universe than our target. Can these, therefore, be safely ignored?

I've also got a Time Machine to lend to the cause. That's gotta be good for something. But I'll be needing some more firepower. Who's with me?
I'll be happy to provide weaponry forged from neutronium. I recently obtained a great deal of it.

>>3109625
Shit be bangin', yo.

>>3109588
Once the spell enters the universe, won't it become a part of the said universe?

>>3109534
Would this be a Time Lord, I wonder?

>>3109640

NOT NECESSARILY.

THINK OF IT LIKE THE UNIVERSE IS THE TIME LORD'S BODY.

INDIVIDUALS, SPELLS, MATTER, THEY'RE ALL "TISSUES" WITHIN ITS BODY, AND BARRING THE MULTIVERSAL VERSION OF AIDS (THE INDIVIDUAL/WEAPON/SPELL THAT ACTUALLY HURTS A TIME LORD), ONLY INVADING TISSUES/CELLS, OR ANOTHER BODY, CAN HARM THE TIME LORD.

Clearly, we require some sort of pan-dimensional manifestation of the eternal void between universes.

This would be a hell of a lot easier if I actually HAD a copy of Ascensions. The Bastard is built mostly from WotC stuff, and some homebrew. The rules clearly work differently here.

Whatever. It has stats. You know the rest.

>>3109665

I STAND CORRECTED. MANY THANKS.

>>3109661
In that case, perhaps a swift action Wish or equivilent spell to reverse time in the center of it's universe permanantly, thus leading to the Time Lord's unmaking as the universe unmaked itself? Just an idea.

>>3109118
>>3109171

It's actually supposed to be CR 851 and ECL 1276, Mr. Rage.

>http://www.enworld.org/forum/3169740-post3.html
>Total ECL 1277 = CR 851
>Neutronium Golem New CR = 851.

For comparison, an entry-level Stage III demiurge is 640 HD, +640 LA, ECL 1280, CR 853, and divine rank 128. It gains 4 free transcendental abilities from the following list of 6: Evil Eye, Transcorporeal, Transfinite, Transmortality, Transtemporal, and Unreal

It has 128 divine ability slots and four ECL 1280 artifacts, or 640 divine ability slots if it gives up all of its artifacts. It also has 214 feat slots from having 640 HD alone, which it can then convert into 35 divine ability slots and 4 feat slots. So, assuming it forgoes its artifacts and converts its feat slots, our entry-level Stage III demiurge has 675 divine ability slots and 4 feat slots. A divine ability costs 1 divine ability slot, a cosmic ability costs 6 slots, a transcendental ability costs 36 slots, and an omnific ability costs 200 slots, so our demiurge can afford 3 omnific abilities, 2 more transcendental abilities, and 3 divine abilities.

And I think it's very clear that 3 omnific abilities is enough to make you nigh-unbeatable. So, even the neutronium golem's new CR at 851 is a bit overCRed compared to the power of demiurges, which are below time lords, even. Especially when Neutronium Body is an omnific ability that makes you like a super-neutronium golem, and it's one of the WEAKER omnific abilities.

>>3109588

Actually, Mr. Rage, Transmortality applies to entities even outside your universe(s). It can be bypassed by draining the Transmortal entity's divine rank and Con/Cha down to the point where it doesn't qualify for Transmortality, though.

>>3109680

FIRSTLY, IT HAS TO BE EPIC TO EVEN AFFECT THE BUGGER, AND SECOND:

BEING TRANSTEMPORAL AGAINST A NON-SLIPSTREAMED, NON-TRANSTEMPORAL FOE MEANS HE HAS *INFINITE* ACTIONS AGAINST YOU. ESSENTIALLY HIS TURN NEVER ENDS.

>>3109669

I WANT A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE "SUPREME BEING" IN THE TENTH DIMENSION.

whats the stats on the "supreme being"?

An earth sized planet has approx 120,000 hp? My party could probably deal that type of damage in the span of a few days. I know what my next session is going to be.

>>3109753
Take your phone number. Square it. Hyperfactorial it. Divide it by zero.
There you go.

>>3109187

Divine damage, does, in fact, break Walls of Force, Prismatic Walls, Prismatic Spheres, and similar effects. The rule was originally from the 3.0 Deities and Demigods book, but the Immortals Handbook guy stole it for his own book anyway.

>>3109487

I'd actually be interested in statting up a Time Lord right now... or maybe later, seeing as I have only 45 minutes before I leave for work. So, 999 HD Time Lord, but with 499 integrated FIGHTER levels, not wizard levels. This is because integrated caster classes are somewhat useless due to the Alter Reality cosmic ability, whereas integrated fighter levels grant bonus feats, which can then be converted into divine ability slots.

>>3109625

I actually showed the author of the Immortals Handbook the fight from the last episode of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Not joking.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/3876249-post1031.html
>Great links, lots of fun. Definately Time Lord style action, and weirdly the piecemeal nature of their design is similar to what I have come up with for time lords.

>>3109757
DR 1,000

>>3109757
you have to take into account the planet has insane damage reduction. thus, 120,000 actually makes sense.

what game is this?
thanks, newfag.

>>3109757
i also believe planets have crazy regeneration, its own gravity reforming and healing any damage.

>>3109772
Aren't there a bunch of attacks that bypass damage reduction, though?

>>3109764
Multispell would allow them more than one free action spell per round, useful if they're facing something that can stand up to them on even temporal terms.

>>3109733
>>3109753

From page 45 of Ascension:
>Supreme Being (GOD)
>The supreme being is the most powerful being in existence, known to some as the great architect of the universe. Although the current holder of the title may not correspond to the original creator of all things. The supreme being is the dominant consciousness shaping the omniverse from beyond the great wall.
>Figures from mythology who could be considered supreme beings would include: Logos (the word: “in the beginning was the word, and the word was GOD”). While Lipika (meaning ‘keepers of secrets’) is the name attributed to retired supreme beings (both are from occult lore).
>N.B. The supreme being is analogous to the Games Master, the great wall a metaphor for the GM’s Screen.

>CREATING A SUPREME BEING
>There is no Supreme Being Template. The supreme being is merely an extension of the Games Master and as such requires no stats.
>However, for those who wish to indulge in such flights of imagination, the supreme being could simply represent the most powerful high lord eternal in existence. Such a being could theoretically encompass any number of universes depending on the whims of the Games Master. One idea would be to interpret Logos as incorporating seventy-two universes, one representing each name of GOD (as per Qabbalism).

>>3109772
120,000 damage is an absolute joke. A hulking hurler, properly built, can deal a few trillion damage at level 20.

>>3109800
So... do we toss the Lady of Pain at it?

>>3109800
Ha ha. The DM is the Supreme One.

Paper and numbers can only do so much, and they can only do it in a two dimensional setting. Even the most feared of monsters is no match for a neckbeard with a sheet of paperboard.

>>3109820
Prove it.

>>3109800 seventy-two universes, one representing each name of GOD
You missed 27.

>>3109831
Nice try. She will flay your ass for suggesting it.
But it's entirely possible that she is roughly in the same tier as these beings, maybe moreso.
Even then, I'm not the one who is going to ask Her Serenity for the help.

anyone got a stat sheet on what could actually create these things? ie time lord

>>3109838
That's it, then.

Our Champion will be a Cleric of Zagyg.

So what was that deal with Vecna and the Lady of Pain, anyway?

>>3109820

I must point out that the Epic Bestiary, in the section for damage dice progression and virtual size categories, points out that the given damage for thrown objects (as is the case for the Hulking Hurler) is bullshit, and presents a system that's slightly less borked for it. Additionally, I think I still have my notes for this.

HP of Massive Objects:

>Mount Fuji = 3840 hp (mass of Macro-Titanic object)
>Mount Everest = 5120 hp (mass of Mega-Fine object)
>Earth's Moon = 61,440 hp (mass of Mega-Gargantuan object)
>Earth = 163,840 hp (mass of Mega-Titanic object)
>Jupiter = 245,760 hp (mass of Giga-Diminutive object)
>The Sun = 1,310,720 hp (mass of Giga-Huge object)
>Betelguese = 1,966,080 hp (mass of Giga-Gargantuan object)
>Supermassive Black Hole = 15,728,640 hp (mass of Tera-Small object)
>Average Globular Cluster = 20,971,520 hp (mass of Tera-Medium object)
>Milky Way Galaxy = 125,829,120 hp (mass of Tera-Titanic object)
>Virgo Supercluster = 503,316,480 hp (mass of Peta-Small object)
>Observable Universe = 5,368,709,120 hp (mass of Exa-Fine object)

Masses and Strength Required (for a Medium Biped) to Lift of Massive Objects:
>Mount Everest = 2.909836e13 tons ::: STR 256 (Medium Biped)
>Earth's Moon = 8.099453e19 tons ::: STR 363 (Medium Biped)
>Earth = 6.584767e21 tons ::: STR 395 (Medium Biped)
>Jupiter = 2.092848e23 tons ::: STR 436 (Medium Biped)
>The Sun = 2.191874e27 tons ::: STR 486 (Medium Biped)
>Betelguese = 3.069650e28 tons ::: STR 505 (Medium Biped)
>Supermassive Black Hole = 8.112647e33 tons ::: STR 595 (Medium Biped)
>Average Globular Cluster = 1.102311e35 tons ::: STR 614 (Medium Biped)
>Milky Way Galaxy = 2.204623e39 tons ::: STR 686 (Medium Biped)
>Virgo Supercluster = 2.204623e43 tons ::: STR 752 (Medium Biped)
>Observable Universe = 3.306934e49 tons ::: STR 855 (Medium Biped)

>>3109849
Well, we don't have to bring the Lady of Pain to him, we simply have to bring him to the Lady of Pain.

We invite him over for tea. Even if he knows that it's a trap, it would be unbecoming of him to decline such an offer.

>>3109878

Throwing Damage of Massive Objects:
>Mount Fuji = 4.234804e12 tons ::: Macro-Titanic Crush = 240d10 damage (average 1320 damage)
>Mount Everest = 2.909836e13 tons ::: Mega-Fine Crush = 320d10 damage (average 1760 damage)
>Earth's Moon = 8.099453e19 tons ::: Mega-Gargantuan Crush = 3840d10 damage (average 21,120 damage)
>Earth = 6.584767e21 tons ::: Mega-Titanic Crush = 7680d10 damage (average 42,240 damage)
>Jupiter = 2.092848e23 tons ::: Giga-Diminutive Crush = 15,360d10 damage (average 84,480 damage)
>The Sun = 2.191874e27 tons ::: Giga-Huge Crush = 81,920d10 damage (average 450,560 damage)
>Betelguese = 3.069650e28 tons ::: Giga-Gargantuan Crush = 122,880d10 damage (average 675,840 damage)
>Supermassive Black Hole = 8.112647e33 tons ::: Tera-Small Crush = 983,040d10 damage (average 5,406,720 damage)
>Average Globular Cluster = 1.102311e35 tons ::: Tera-Medium Crush = 1,310,720d10 damage (average 7,208,960 damage)
>Milky Way Galaxy = 2.204623e39 tons ::: Tera-Titanic Crush = 5,242,880d10 damage (average 28,835,840 damage)
>Virgo Supercluster = 2.204623e43 tons ::: Peta-Small Crush = 20,971,520d10 damage (average 115,343,360 damage)
>Observable Universe = 3.306934e49 tons ::: Exa-Fine Crush = 251,658,240d10 damage (average 1,384,120,320 damage)

>>3109831
>>3109884

The Lady of Pain is listed down as an Old One in the IHB. Mind you, that's still ridiculously powerful. Greater Deity < Elder One < Old One < First One < Stage I/II/III Demiurge < Time Lord < High Lord. Here's a reference page for all this: http://www.big-metto.net/RP_Wiki/index.php?title=3.5_Immortals_Handbook_Stuff

>>3109898
>The Lady of Pain is listed down as an Old One in the IHB.

An impostor, I assume.

>>3109625
Universe> galaxy


There are manipulate reality spells couldn't you essentially manipulate the time lord seeing how he is the essence of a reality?

>>3109898

Not only does this make things more interesting rather than a grotesquely broken unbound damage formula, it makes the Tarrasque seem so much more badass.

You could drop a fucking mountain on it and it would be fighting again within 5 minutes.

>>3109884
I find it amusing that your solution on how to kill the tenth dimensional being is to throw a character in the game at it. That being represents the dungeon master. While this limits your options in character, lateral thinking opens some new ones up to you.

My solution involves bringing a knife to the gaming session.

>>3109840
Short version: Hulking Hurler damage is based on the mass of the object they throw. The mass of the object they throw is limited by their medium load. Their medium load scales geometrically with their strength.
See this chart, because I'm too lazy to derive the formula in my head: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/carryingCapacity.htm
At STR 100, for instance, it's 17.4 million pounds.
The damage of this projectile is (Mass in lbs)/200 + 4 d6.

[Continued in next post]

>>3109902

I dunno, Old One status is enough to afford the ability to shut down the most powerful ability of one foe you face (Abrogate, cosmic ability), nullify all divine abilities in your aura (Divine Nullification, cosmic ability), make your aura radiate a dead magic zone that affects even deities, but not you or your allies (Dead Zone, transcendental ability), and destroy people from reality to bypass any reincarnation, though not Transmortality (Astro [Effect], transcendental ability). Old One status is certainly enough to take on a limitless number of Greater Deities, and bring down an Elder One (roughly an overdeity) with ease. Fun fact: that's in the same tier as Azathoth.

For reference, if a Time Lord is the embodiment of a universe, an Elder One is the embodiment of either a planet (for the Material Plane) or a planar layer, an Old One is the embodiment of a galaxy (for the Material Plane) or a plane, and a First One is the embodiment of a supercluster (for the Material Plane) or a dimension. A "dimension" in the IHB is defined as a group of related planes or a single extremely expansive plane, such as: the outer planes, the inner planes, the transitive planes, the Material Plane, or the Far Realm.

I guess that makes O.R.T. an Elder One of the planet Mercury.

so what are gods like Odin, Zeus, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Cthulhu and other gods from myth and fantasy classified as? are they old ones or could they be considered high lords?

>>3109487

"Hey Ao, check out this asshole."

Done.

My empire uses these as footsoldiers. Gives them neutron swords and neutron bows and conquers galaxies.

Long story short, the Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagan LAUGHS at those damage figures. It laughs, and laughs, and laughs.
>>3109898
Now, I had something built, off the top of my head, that was Colossal and had a strength around 200. Combined with magic items that increased its lifting capability, that gives a possible projectile of about 24 billion pounds, so 125 514 551 d6 damage, give or take.

But you know what?
FUCK THAT SHIT.
I decided to check the Character Optimization boards, to see what crazy shit they had come up with. And I was not disappointed.

With 1380 strength, give or take, a colossal biped should be able to toss around 1.6684*10^44 d6.

The crazy CO build, if you're curious, is a Feral Tauric Guardian Lost Anarchic Savage Fiendish Axiomatic Tarterian (Shator) Mineral Warrior Woodling Stonebone Remade Half-Machine Draconic Corrupted Phrenic Voidmind Beast of Xvim Lolth-touched Half-Iron Golem Spirit of the Woods Blood Ghoul Horrid Magebred Warbeast Paragon Half-Legendary Ape-Lesser Aasimar Hulking Hurler 2 of Baphomet.

Yeah. It didn't even need the third level of that class. And this isn't even taking into account all the size categories bigger than colossal which are available when one is using Immortal's handbook rules.

>>3109985

See >>3109878
>I must point out that the Epic Bestiary, in the section for damage dice progression and virtual size categories, points out that the given damage for thrown objects (as is the case for the Hulking Hurler) is bullshit, and presents a system that's slightly less borked for it. Additionally, I think I still have my notes for this.

>>3109927
then you get to laugh madly as you literally take his place

Does that mean I could make 50 extra attacks at -250 each, as a level 5 Fighter?

>>3109980
Whups! Ao is actually a subset of a Time Lord. Unless he's the chosen once, he can't affect the Time Lord at all with any ability.

Note that odds are the chosen one is some 1HD little girl who died of dysantry nine hundred years ago.

>>3109985
Now, the damage figure they give is around 1.82 *10^83 d6, which is way more than what I calculated. I'm sure I'd figure it out fairly quickly if I rooted through the dozen or so sourcebooks that all those templates are from, but I'm sure they would add up.

For some scale... that could deal damage roughly equal to your quoted HP for the observable universe. To every PARTICLE in said universe.

>>3110013

It means you could take an arbitrarily large number of attacks, and considering 20 always hits, you kill anything instantly so long as your attacks can deal at least 1 damage to it on a critical.

>>3110013
I suppose it would. That means pun-pun can also attack as many times as he wants in a round.

>>3110028

Yes, that is the point I was about to make.

Also this is dumb.

>>3110028

Well, the ELH recommends using a variant rule where nat20s are treated as 30 and nat1 as -10. It makes abilities like this much more reasonable.

>>3110000
I will readily admit that it is borked. Bjorked, even.
But, for instance, the sun having a mere 1.3 million hp? I call shennanigans on that.

Meh. Until I've read all the Immortals Handbooks, I'm not really in any position to argue this. From where I'm sitting, I just see a few dozen instances of

I WIN [General]
Prerequisites: U Can't Touch Dis, Dodge, Mobility
Benefit: You win the fucking game.
Normal: Dude, it's D&D. You don't win it.

>>3110012
Even better--there are rules for penetrating the 9th dimension (DM screen) but powerstrength. Not arbitrarily high... infinite. Pun Pun's gonna have to step aside for a real challenger, he just doesn't qualify.

Then, once you have your infinitely powerful entity, you can attempt to break the DM screen. you have a 1 in 4096 chance of success, and a 4095 in 4096 chance of death. Basically, roll 6d4. If they all come up 4, success.

The odds may be low. Gathering enough WP (worship points) may take real life months. And the odds may be catastrophically against you.

But don't you want to be the player who's character killed the Dungeon Master?

Would the planetoid of demi-liches be able to handle a Time Lord?

>>3109786
Hmm..

Quickly! Get the book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic and an army of people with DR negating Stone Dragon strikes!

But is it immune to Jelly Babies?

>>3110056
No.

Because some of you seem to have trouble grasping the concept... a Time Lord is a campaign setting. It can't be killed. You could wipe out all life and everything in it, but it'd still be there, the space that Faerun (or wherever) used to be.

Besides, if the planetoid really fucked with the universe that much, the Monad would just send a few dozen Neutroniom Golems at them. They may have the right spells to stop 'em, but given that they arrive at the speed of light, by the time the liches see 'em coming, they've already destroyed the planetoid.

>>3110041
Max level 3E casters are already outrageously powerful, this lets make them be awesome in different ways.

>>3110068
Moreover: It is vulnerable to exactly one spell. Let's suppose this spell is, I dunno, delayed blast fireball. Given that delayed blast fireball is going to do relatively little to an entity with over 1000 hit dice and more than one million hit points per hit die (potentially more than ten or twenty million) then the fact you've discovered it's achillies heel doesn't change the fact that it's basically invincible.

Plus, it probably has fire resistance.

>>3110068
lots of "Will Neutronium Golems attack us in a few days?" divinations, then.

>>3110088
Whups, too bad their opponent is THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. Might make those spells unreliable.
"Oh, great and all-powerful magical forces, tell us, are you about to destroy us with neutronium golems?"
"....nnnnnnoooo...."

>>3110078
Oooh! Another thought. What if the one spell it isn't immune to is, "Bull's Strength." Good luck killing existence with a +4 enhancement bonus to strength.

Hey, let's not forget the Infinite Damage Suicide Loop. The one used by the Omnificer to gain Omniscience. There might even be a way to channel the infinite-damage suicide into an infinite-damage attack.

>>3110099
>>3110078
On the other hand, I can see this going bad...
"The one spell I'm weak to? Locate City! HA! GOOD LUCK KILLING ME WITH TH- what"

>>3110014

>Note that odds are the chosen one is some 1HD little girl who died of dysantry nine hundred years ago.

Well, we'll just have to ressurect her and rebuild her into a Feral Tauric Guardian Lost Anarchic Savage Fiendish Axiomatic Tarterian (Shator) Mineral Warrior Woodling Stonebone Remade Half-Machine Draconic Corrupted Phrenic Voidmind Beast of Xvim Lolth-touched Half-Iron Golem Spirit of the Woods Blood Ghoul Horrid Magebred Warbeast Paragon Half-Legendary Ape-Lesser Aasimar of Baphomet, and then enroll her in throwing things class.

The thing is, the Template itself doesn't give it any actual immunity to the Force Forks of my BattleTardis. I'll just need to be able to hit its ungodly high AC. A lot. And not get annihilated in the process.
Easier said then done, I will admit. But impossible?
It's not impossible. It's BEYOND IMPOSSIBLE.
And I intend to go Beyond the Impossible. To kick reason to the curb.

So if a Time Lord is the actual universe, would it be possible to destroy the universe?

I sense a BBEG possibility...

>>3110106
Because that's the Gurren-Dan way!

>>3110106
Are you talking about Monads or Neutronium Golems? Because Monads have Unreal, which means they can't be affected by magic, except for one potentially useless spell. This isn't magic immune, which is negated by things that ignore SR. This is anything magic flat out doesn't work on them. Trickier!

Maybe you could build a technological source of infinite force damage?

>>3110113
Clearly the BBEG would be the "chosen one" who's capable of destroying the universe. The campaign would be a race between the players trying to build the power to stop them, and the BBEG building the power to actually pull it off.

>>3110117
Well, I'm pretty sure you can use the Infinite Damage Suicide Loop to get an infinite bonus to attack with, along with the omniscience.

>>3110032

You're forgetting that you cannot reduce your attack bonus by an amount lower than your BAB through metamartial maneuvers, and so, with +5 BAB, you can only take up to a -5 penalty.

Back off arcanists, this isn't your game anymore.
REALITY REVISION!

>>3110123
And then the plot twist is that the Time Lord is conspiring to do some kind of evil thing to the supreme power with a bunch of other time lords, and that the guy you just killed was the supreme power's avatar because he's too damn lazy to do it himself!

>>3110127

I don't think you can forget things you never knew. I was just flipping through the feats.

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Really. Don't worry about the neutronium golems. We can totally handle them. It's killing the Time Lord itself that is the problem. Theoretically, the final blow has to be dealt from outside its universe, and through some means (That is to say, some combination of "I win MORE" abilities), that will counteract its abilites enough to keep it dead. Anyone with the IH books willing to suggest something that might do the trick?

Doesn't the existence of a Neutronium Golem just kind of shit on all the fun?

The moment you have a "oh hay PCs fall through a hole in reality and end up in another universe" adventure a NEUTRONIUM GOLEM COMES TO RUIN YOUR SHIT.

Also, what is the point? Wouldn't just coming near a planet to take care of offenders RUIN THE PLANET IN AN INSTANT? I mean, it has all those "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE EVEN NEAR IT" shit.

>>3110126
Alright. What attack is this? Because if your omnificer isn't the magic one person in the universe who can attack, or if he isn't using the magic one spell that can damage the universe, or if the spell can't scale to do trillions of points of damage.... well, you're SOL.

I can't think of a low level spell that scales up with no limit, and the infinite damage loop just gives you infinitely high stats for one round, it doesn't grant you new spells or anything.

Also, is the Monad there? Did you try to go to him to use your infinite damage loop? How did you reach his level of existance? Didn't the Neutroniom golems stop you on the way in? I can't see you getting close enough to them to hit them with your crappy low-level spells and surviving the crushing gravity fields that permastun within 600 miles.

>>3110146
This is why you use the trick in conjunction with whatever "I win more" abilities you have during an attack from outside the universe.

>>3110117
Well, it's easy to accelerate objects of arbitrarily large mass arbitrarily close to the speed of light. By thinking with portals. Then there's stuff like vaccuum energy. And so on. It would still be a matter of DM fiat as to just how much SCIENCE!! works in this world. And the Monad could probably say "No", as such bastard Monads are prone to do.

"The cell is alive. The goddamned prison wall is alive!"

>>3110145
Also kills potential ideas for a campaign. Well my character wants to- A NEUTRONIUM GOLEM COMES TO RUIN YOUR SHIT CAUSE THE NATURAL ORDER HAS TO REMAIN.

>>3110160
Which I then kill with a Blue Police Box covered in Tuning Forks. As a free action. At level 42.

>>3110170
Have you... seen the amount of hp a Time Lord has?

Man, I use to think Atropus was unbeatable...this thing is just...ugh...

The way this discussion is going, by the way, reminds me of Sam Hughes' "Fine Structure" stories, which appear to have a being more or less analogous to one of these monads. As the (so far) primary antagonist.

http://qntm.org/?structure

Every time the character come up with some new fancy piece of Applied Phlebotinum, Mr. Overseer changes the laws of physics and kills everyone involved.

>>3110156
The omnificer is a neat trick to hit infinitely high stats.

People confuse this with infinite power, but his offensive power is sharply limited by the fact he is, in fact, level 3, and has already taken two move actions this round.

Gonna have to step it up to take this kinda crap out... although I suppose you could do your damage dive, then hurl a rock at the moon hard and precisely enough to leave a crater with your snarling face on it glaring down at the earth. The DCs would be high, but you have infinite strength and dex, so I suspect you could make it even with the -4 nonproficiency penalty for an improvised weapon(rock). This would be an Epoch Event for the entire earth (Crap, dude, what happened to the MOON?) giving you... er.... one worship point per resident of the planet? Let's assume, oh, fifty million sentient beings on the planet, say one million are friendly, nine million neutral, fourty million hostile (D&D is an angry place), that's raw 5.9 million WP, bonus for Evidence, penalty for Distant event (moon's a long way away) and Unknown (Oh my god, why is there a face on the moon)... five hundred ninety thousand WP.

I'm not sure how Worship Points are used, mind you. I think they translate directly into Quintessence? Maybe? If so, your Omnificer is now a Demi-Deity, divine rank 6. Or 194 divine ranks below the Universe.

Crap! So close!

>>3110177
I was talking about killing the golems, not the master. That second task is still open for debate here. Killing the golems is comparatively easy- just toss an ungodly number of Violated Orbs of Force at them.
The weapon in question will be a little more complicated (read: epic) than that, but that's the general principle.

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>>3110203
Pretty sure Worship Points, in the hands of mortals... are just fame.

So you could be SUPER FAMOUS, because everyone looks at you and recognizes you because your face rises in the east every night... but not actually any more powerful.

No one answered me.

Aren't these things just a giant buzz kill? I mean, what about anyone with dreams of breaking the universe or seeking something as simple as eternal life(well.. in the form of never aging at least) or ascending to godhood?

No. These things apparently patrol and drop from the sky as a giant FUCK YOU to your hopes and dreams.

>>3110203
Once one is a demi-deity, could one then theoretically go around from planet to planet, sending servants down to advertise your abilities... then sculpting their moons, or doing other super-impressive things, thereby generating more worship points?

Then, once some more efficient source of Quintessence is available, (dammit, I've got to read those books), begin accumulating it that way?

Suppose I could offer you a loan of a pocket universe, approximately half a light year accross, with a population in the trillions, and could order them to worship you.
Then suppose that time flows a few billion times faster inside this pocket universe than outside.
How quickly could you rack up the quintessence?

what about a Jupiter sized planet made of pure adamantium blessed by every god in the book and shrunk into the size of a marble and shot out of a canon at the speed of light squared with an aimed shot in the neutronium golem's mouth and triggered to grow to it's normal size after impact?

We're presuming the Monad or Time Lord who sent these awesomely powerfull meta-cosmic Neutronium Golem sends them without any buffs or support from additional allies or HIMSELF.

You could be thinking "I'm going to do THIS awesome plan"! But the Time Lord KNOWS this. Because he's the Time Lord. Literally speaking, you have to tell the DM what you are going to do and how before you are going to do it, and he can say that the Time Lord knew about it, because he simply does.

And if he KNOWS that you have a cunning, albeit simplistically powerless plan to destory his amazingly powerful creatures by exploiting magical loopholes...what stops him from saying...

"No, that doesnt work anymore."

"I knew what you were going to do and did, so I rewrote the events so you never did it."

"Isnt that a Paradox?"

"I'm a Time Lord. I can enjoy Paradoxes for breakfast.They're my reese's."


Anything we know, the DM, as a Time Lord's player, knows anything and everything the characters you are playing can or cant or will do, because he already meta-experienced it with his cosmic abilities.And because he controls the laws of magic and reality, any spell combo, or magical loophole you guys are thinking of...

He can simply stop.

You guys need to understand this. To fight BBEG of this nature you need BBGG's of equal power to limit and supress the brunt of his powers to reduce that which you actually fight to a level you can actually combat.

Without cosmic aid...you die.

>>3109264
out of other neutronium golems

>>3110245
>>3110245
It would destroy the neutroniom golem pretty good.

I'm interested in hearing how you would actually do this, mind you, especially the speed of light squared bit. Or are you just stringing together nouns and verbs?

>>3110251
I guess the best plan is not to attack the Monad you yourself reside in. Instead, make your ultimate attack weapons that deal trillions of points of damage and hit ACs of five or six thousand, and then launch attacks on other, nearby multiverses.

Because yours isn't going to take any of your shit.

"We're imprisoned in this universe," says the telephone. "There are routes upwards to higher places than this. Routes we're not supposed to know exist. There's a god observing all of us, waiting for what we might try to do. And every time it sees we're trying, trying something new or powerful, it'll block the path and take away our tools and make our cell still smaller. It changed the laws of physics to keep us quarantined.

"The kata-ring accelerator's tech is permanently gone from Alef. It killed the scientific axioms stone dead.

"It sees everything and knows everything. It's intelligent. Incalculably intelligent. It knows our names and doesn't care that we're intelligent. It destroys minds to guard the cell's integrity and slowly, surely, it's becoming more aggressive. And outsmarting it is going to be difficult."

Need I say it?
Row. Row. Fight the Powah.

>>3110245
FUND IT

>>3110240
Er, no.

In fact, earlier I detailed how you could become a Demigod by using the Omnificer trick and chucking a rock at the moon.

The Neutroniom Golems only show up to defend the Monad... i.e. they protect the universe. If you aren't trying to destroy the universe, they don't destroy your planet.

And if you are trying to destroy the universe, are you really upset that it's fighting back?

>>3110285
"And after he finished conquering all the nations of the earth, he looked up at the stars and wept, for the universe was so vast, and he so very small."

>>3110254
I was half joking, but in all seriousness, if you are fighting a being that travels from different universes seriously, then you should have the ability to get massive amounts of adamantium, have the ability to shape it into a sphere, have the ability to shrink said giant sphere to the size of a bullet or tiny thing that can fit into a hollow bolt.

then simply teleport it or shoot it, hell make a spell that lets you scry for something and then actually shoot an object through the mirror or pool you are scrying with and have it teleported to the scene.

if you have the high enough levels that you are actually drawing these guys attention then you should
A: have the materials to kill them
B: have the abilities that, if used together properly, should allow you to make what you need to kill it
C: have the ability to deliver the payload to the guys face without dying just by getting within 1000 miles of it.

come on this is 3.5 D&D, where they figured out how to destroy the world with a lv 6 human sorcerer using locate town, you don't need to make a bajillion level character, just one that uses enough feats and synergies and etc to break the neutronium golem's brokenness.

>>3110251
>Anything we know, the DM, as a Time Lord's player,
The DM's character is the supernal being in the 10th dimension. Time Lords reside in the 8th. They represent campaign settings. The only thing superior to the Supernal Being is the Ashkaic Record... i.e. D&D 3.5 edition.

>>3110270
To be honest, the guy in TTGL wasnt that powerful compared to the TimeLords described in Ascension.

Dont get me wrong, that guy was AMAZINGLY strong, but the REAL TimeLord's would have done this in TTGL:

"Spiral Energy no longer empowers mortal beings.IN fact, people cant perceive it and ganmen were never made."

"Furthermore, I killed you before you were born,Kamina and Simon."

"I can do this because I am the collective entity and essence of time,space, power,souls and matter in this reality, and as such I am aware of anything that could have remotely threatened me, past, present or future.And have the power to make sure nothign does within myself."

The End.

Sad but true....BBEG's need BBGG's to win.

Spiral Energy was Dai_Gurren's BBGG's force that was aiding them to win againts this BBEG. Without it...

They'd be nothing.

>>3110285
So I can gain vast power and eternal life then use one of the gods as a surf board on cosmic waves without worrying that a golem will come kick my shit?

>>3110285
So then. Tell me. With the pocket universe I offer here:
>>3110242
(Which could possibly be moved beyond the influence of the Monad, for use as a home base), how quickly could you level-grind your Divine Rank?

As soon as fighting in a tabletop game becomes linked with philosophy, I'm done.

WHAT IS THIS SHIT FROM

>>3110293
Well, let's take a step back and actually look at the creature's stats instead of saying speed of light squared.

What's this? DR 1500/-, 2,216,080 hp? So a single 2,217,580 damage attack would kill it. Basically, throwing something the density of a supermassive black hole at it would finish it off, (like, say, a supermassive black hole. Grab the one from the center of the galaxy, you can put it back later) and we could skip all the blessing, shrinking, and building a cannon that can fire an object of that mass without rupturing, which would imply a cannon of even greater mass than the shell.

Time to start stacking templates.

>>3110296
I thought the whole spiral universe part at the end was kind of a way to lock them both in a cage match where it was really a fight of powers instead of "i run away to the past to kill you, or run to the future to get help."

>>3110296
You do realize that at the end, they were fighting inside a Universe that the Anti-Spirals created and had total control over?

>>3110301
AND WHAT IF I WANTED TO HOP TO ANOTHER DIMENSION AND FUCK WHORES IN ANOTHER REALITY?

WOULD I NEED TO WORRY ABOUT GOLEMS SHOWING UP?

>>3110307
Fighting at the Ascension levels is actually quite simple, and not really that obtuse.

TO mortals, whom are merely little weak creatures without outside sources of power, yes, Time Lords are amazingly trancendental,nigh omnipotent beings wielding timeless might.As such to attempt to comprehend them at a level they can, they do philosophize shit.

However, to Time Lords....they are playing Civilization on a Universal Scale, and they have the cheats on.In order to even fight another Time Lord, you gotta be someone at his level, another Time Lord. Someone higher can fuck shit up, like a Moderator (Higher Tier Time Lords, or GOD), but the bottom of the rungs cant.

There ya go.

>>3110315
>>3110301
I don't think the Monad would really care about either of those things.

It's a universe. It doesn't care about your bitches.

>>3110319
Which means all Time Lord battles break down to power level matches.

"Metatron! What's the scouter say about his Quintessence level?"
"It... it's over nine trillion!"
"What, nine trillion?!"

No wonder the universes don't fight much, that's lame.

Hmm, I might know of ONE spell that could do the job...

The universes fight by comparing who has the biggest fuckwits inside of them. "Humanity? Ten points. Elves? Oh god. FIfty."

>>3110312
you don't need a massive canon since the bullet is small, and for that matter you don't even need to do the speed of light squared or anything like that, shrink the large mass of adamantium to the size of a bullet, it has the weight of a bullet made of adamantium since magical shrinking changes weight, fire bullet through a portal into the golems mouth slit, have the spell triggered to make the bullet return to it's normal size after hitting the golems body.

The only part that would be difficult is getting a mountain of adamantium and figuring out which spell you could use to make a safe portal between where ever you are and the golem's face.

People are talking about making thousands of magical devices and putting it in a box made of multiple layers of forces and spells, so this isn't too far out of the ballpark.

what would the damage be for a ball of adamantium suddenly turning from the size of a pea to the size of a mountain in your head be btw?

>>3110313
Yep.

It kind of skimmed over it while it was happening(good.. no need for "giving a thirty minute speech is a free action).. but they were NO LONGER FIGHTING IN THE LITERAL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE. They went way beyond that to a place where literally ANYTHING was possible. Thought could take physical form and ruled all.

Remember how a hole was ripped so that it showed earth back in physical reality?

Or something like that. Pretty much they went to a place where the anti spirals couldn't go "fuck you, the universal laws are different now".

>>3110314
Obviously not, otherwise the Anti-Spirals would have said "Spiral Energy doesnt work here." and the Dai-Gurren would have failed.

If you dont have complete and absolute primacy and near-omnipotence within your own realmspace, you're not a Time Lord.

Now, other-powers can come and challenge you from without whose powers dont rely on your 'universe', and then a real fight begins, where usually the most powerful simply wins.


In TTGL's case I'd have to know a lot about the campaign setting to make a judgement call, because by the end of the series, they WERE wielding near- Time Lord level power.

Neutronium Golems are nothing to TTGL, and probably even Chouginga Gurren Lagann would have kicked their asses too.

>>3110327
is that a wand of fireball in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

>>3110338
maybe the anti-spiral was a timelord, and spiral energy was the one thing that could damage it and the TTGL was the one person/s and artifact that could destroy it?

>>3110312
Stacking templates? Bah.
Cancer mage. Festering anger. Your strength goes up by 2, permanently, every day.
This is far, far, far, from the most efficent way to do it.

The thing about fighting these so called omnipotent, omniscient beings is thus:
Are there other such beings? The book says yes.
Can at least one of them be inferred to know at least one thing that our monad does not know? If so, then it is hardly ALL-knowing, now, is it?
Is at least one of them more powerful than the Monad we are trying to kill? The book says yes. Then they can hardly be considered ALL-powerful, now, can they?

Sure, they're ridiculously, absurdly, beyond-the-impossible fuckoff powerful.
But let's assume for a moment that we have a very bored Monad, trillions of yugas away from ours. He notices a little kobold wizard with a snake familiar. On a lark, he transforms him into a Sarrukh.
Fourteen seconds later, I give you: Pun-Pun.
This Monad, being essentially omniscient (at least with regards to its own domain), can easily see what Pun-Pun is destined to become. But, as this monad is insane, even by the standards of its fellows, it doesn't care. It actively HELPS pun-pun on its way.
Pun-Pun ends up with every cosmic, divine, Omniific, Transcendental, and low-fat ability in the book. He then pokes into our universe, and rapes it until it bleeds.

Then he, and the derranged monad go out for Cosmic Guiness or something.

>>3110295
Really?
/r/ this tidbit.

>>3110347
Maybe then, that would come into question whom made the Anti-Spiral that way, made to be destroyed by Spiral Energy. If they opposed each other they would cancel each other out, but in this case, it's clear that the Spiral Energy was designed to WIN againts Anti-Spiral; revealing a purpose and a sentience behind this, that clearly wanted events that happened in TTGL to occur.

Probably the real Time Lord who made these two 'forces', and let them play as he watched for his amusement.

>>3110338
1. Team Gurren pretty much rose SO HIGH that they were equals with the anti spirals. Kind of like becoming your own time lord.

2. They could have destroyed all spiral life before that.. easily. Just a wave of their hands and EVERYTHING IS DEAD. They didn't because they were scared there was something that they didn't know. They ended up pussy footing around with the Gurren Lagann so long that SPIRAL LEVELS WENT OFF THE CHART AND THE COMBINED MIGHT OF TEAM GURREN MADE THEM ONTO A GOD.

Once that happened they busted their way out of the material realm into a theoretical plane of existence. There, outside of their actual universe, they could fight on equal terms cause the anti spirals only had control of their own universe.

Granted they were still massively powerful. They just couldn't go 'fuck reality' anymore. If they weren't on the same level, team gurren still would have died.

>>3110360
the sense i got was the spiral energy was like cancer to anti-spiral energy, enough anti-spiral could overwhelm the spiral energy, but a strong enough density of spiral energy would always beat an equally strong amount of anti-spiral or even a stronger amount to an extent.

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>>3110338
1. Team Gurren pretty much rose SO HIGH that they were equals with the anti spirals. Kind of like becoming your own time lord.

2. They could have destroyed all spiral life before that.. easily. Just a wave of their hands and EVERYTHING IS DEAD. They didn't because they were scared there was something that they didn't know. They ended up pussy footing around with the Gurren Lagann so long that SPIRAL LEVELS WENT OFF THE CHART AND THE COMBINED MIGHT OF TEAM GURREN MADE THEM ONTO A GOD.

Once that happened they busted their way out of the material realm into a theoretical plane of existence. There, outside of their actual universe, they could fight on equal terms cause the anti spirals only had control of their own universe.

Granted they were still massively powerful. They just couldn't go 'fuck reality' anymore. If they weren't on the same level, team gurren still would have died.

>>3110360
Anti spirals made themselves that way.

They did so willingly because they knew what out of control spiral power could do.

They are the same thing. Just with EVIL slapped on it.

Hey, Time Lord! Get the hell outta this universe! ...What, are you dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Lord of Nightmares!

>>3110338
>"Spiral Energy doesnt work here."

Simon gives himself Spiral Energy retroactively, with the Spiral Energy he gave himself.

Which is essentially what I've been trying to suggest for the past hour or so. Find the quickest way to ascend, then start kicking the cosmic supra-gods in their complacent asses.

((I just checked, and our archive request count is now at 5. Well done, gentlemen.))

It remains my opinion that these Time Lords can be defeated. I mean, just because something is impossible doesn't mean it can't be done, right?

I suppose the remaining question is... why would you want to?
I have my answer. FOR SCIENCE!!!

>>3110338
>"Spiral Energy doesnt work here."

Simon gives himself Spiral Energy retroactively, with the Spiral Energy he gave himself.

Spiral Energy + Lord of Nightmares power + 1/0 = anything/everything.

>Cosmic EGG

I see what they did there.