Do any of them prefer 3.5 to 4e?

>>3342081

He was talking specifically about 4e, so I suspect this is largely a post-4e phenomenon.

Well, I'm not the anon this message is going out to, but I have to say that's awesome.

>>3342092
I got into D&D while I was in juvenile hall back in the mid 90's.

To be fair, about his example. These people have probably given up on their own lives so they're living in their DnD world, where they can effective start over and not have to deal with their troubled past and can instead be their character.

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It's actually not all that unusual. I've heard lots of stories of D&D actually being used as a form of group therapy.

4th edition, I imagine, would be even better for it, just because the way the roles are set up, you're a lot more likely to have to work together, but, honestly, D&D as group therapy goes back all the way to 2nd edition.

Now, how it can teach Bob the Murder Rapist to interact properly with others, and still allow Marvin the Neckbeard to be a socially inept powergamer, I'm not entirely sure.

This is pretty weird. My dad's a teacher and he's been using D&D to teach maths and teamwork skills to the lower-set pupils for a couple of months. I thought it was insane but if everyone's doing it...

D&D is an alternate world where violence is acceptable.

Also, is it just be or is the arcane caster a common class for niggers, wiggers and azns? They all seem to love the wizard - image related.

>>Juvenile Corrections Anon, can you tell us more about this? It sounds like a fascinating development.

Sure.

I first learned about it when I saw some guys reading a PHB and making characters. I asked them what kind of characters they were making, which prompted them to ask, "You play D&D?" and it kind of went on from there.

Trends-wise, it's more popular amongst the white kids, altough a couple of latino and black kids play too. It's more common amongst the sex offenders, but that's probably because the only 2 kids I know who DM are on the sex offender rehabilitation program.

The first one prefers your standard dungeon crawl. He's run one evil campaign I know of, although it was short, and it was the one where they were trying to save Orcus from killing the Raven Queen and becoming the new God of Death. One of the PCs was aiming for that title. I'm not sure about the current campaign, but I know that one player was asking me what I hought about the idea of his Dragonborn Warlord being the descendant of a Platinum Dragon and wielding a magical longspear made from his tooth.

>>3342146
Wizards are now the D&D equvalent of chikin' and orange soda? Fffuuuuhhhhkk...

>>3342135
My friend was shit at maths. He barely knew how to square numbers. Then we started D&D and while advanced maths is still beyond him, he aces basic mental arithmetic.

>>3342148 cont...

The other DM is more of a storyteller. he's told me that everyone says he's a good DM, but that he ca get carried away with descriptions. He's an aspiring fantasy writer and when he gets out, wants to do fantasy novels that also double as uplifting and inspiring books for teenagers so they don't make the same mistakes he did. Pretty cool kid... as far as nerds go.

Their current campaign involved some kind of meeting between Satyrs and Eladrin, and some kind of arranged marriage to keep the peace. The PCs were invited because one of them is an Eladrin noble, but the princess was murdered and they were framed for the crime. I forgot what characters they were all playing, but they're just level 2.

>>3342148

That kid with the tooth is playing Inuyasha.

>>3342183
>Pretty cool kid... as far as nerds go.

Out of curiosity, what's he in for?

Man, I would totally DM for juvies. Wouldn't THAT be an interesting public service project?

>>3342081
>>Do any of them prefer 3.5 to 4e?

the 1st DM started playing on 3.5 He still has the old books, but just the PHB and MM. He got the core books for 4E, and I told the Dragonborn Warlord about Martial Power, so he's going to ask the DM to order it.

>>3342119
>>To be fair, about his example. These people have probably given up on their own lives so they're living in their DnD world, where they can effective start over and not have to deal with their troubled past and can instead be their character.

Really, most of them are just kind of geeky. They're not the kids that get into a lot of trouble, so they're likely to get out and have their records clean in a couple of years

The guys who have given up are the ones who are constantly getting into fights, stealing from their peers, disrespecting staff, and getting into in gang culture. They're preparing themselves for their inevitable move to the adult facility.

Some of them are the kind of "normal" kid you know who plays a game like D&D or WoW, but aren't as into the whole fantasy and sci fi thing as others.

I've never seen anyone getting picked on for playing D&D though. The other kids don't harass them when they play, and during disagreements, nobody pulls D&D as a negative. It's just seen as a way to pass the time, and they have a lot of free time.

The thought of a 4chan poster working in juvenile corrections frightens me. Poor kids.

>The PCs were invited because one of them is an Eladrin noble, but the princess was murdered and they were framed for the crime.

God help me the context made me lol

>>3342146Also, is it just be or is the arcane caster a common class for niggers, wiggers and azns?

what race do they play?

>>3342228

Sex with an underage girlfriend.

>>3342265
No idea, it varies.
They just love the wizards.

>>3342279

So he's just in for a pretend crime. Tough.

>>3342248 The thought of a 4chan poster working in juvenile corrections frightens me. Poor kids.

in a way, doesn't it make sense?

>>3342265
>>what race do they play?

Dragonborn, Eladrin, and Elves have been the most popular non-Humans. Halflings and Tieflings seem the least popular. They don't seem to do much with the Monster Manual races aside from using them as important NPCs.

>>3342279
FFFFFFFFF.

>>The PCs were invited because one of them is an Eladrin noble, but the princess was murdered and they were framed for the crime.

Red: You're gonna fit right in. Everyone in here is innocent, you know that? Heywood, what you in here for?

Heywood: Didn't do it. DM fucked me.

>>inspiring books for teenagers so they don't make the same mistakes he did.
>>Sex with an underage girlfriend.
That seems like it'd be fairly hard to write.
"Lo, Legolas! Hark ye upon that fine young wench who doth disport herself so lustily!"
"Nay, Boromir, I shall not. I am an elf, and am over 253 years older than her."
"Truly, Legolas, you are a better man than I"

>>3342208
Bit of a stretch, there. It's a spear, not a sword, and, for all we know, he just intends it as a character quirk, not some magic vorpal +7 spear of destiny.

>>3342127
>>Now, how it can teach Bob the Murder Rapist to interact properly with others

It may sound surprising, but the usually, the worse the kid's offense, the more polite and sociable he is. The guys in for murder and rape are usually the most well behaved. Rapist and sex offenders are VERY good at manipulating people and know how to say things that make you trust them easily. It's something you always have to work out when dealing with them.

The murderers are rarely Hannibal Lecter types. They're usually a kid who was abused and killed the person who was abusing him, or had a gun and was in a situation where they weren't trying to kill someone, but did. They usually want very hard to forget that they killed someone, and often try to downplay it.

The kids who have the most problem dealing with others are in for stuff like assault (fighting basically) and armed robbery. They have little impulse control and relatively less empathy, so they're quicker to just take whatever they want or punch whoever pisses them off.

We don't get the kids with the REAL mental problems.They go to a specialized facility.

>>3342312

Oh no. Sex with his girlfriend is why he was sentenced.

Before that, he regularly broke the law, did drugs, and hung out with bad people. His girlfriend's parents hated him, so when they found out they were sleeping together, they filed a lawsuit.

>>3342367
>broke the law
BREAKIN' THE LAW, BREAKIN' THE LAW
BREAKIN' THE LAW, BREAKIN' THE LAW

I asked about alignment because I was wondering if, you know, particularly the murderer/rapist types would play good because they wanted to be heroes for a change, or more sort of unaligned-but-watches-out-for-his-buddies.

Of course evil and chaotic neutral backstabber are also possibilities, but I kind of assumed they'd want to avoid looking like they were eager to commit more crimes in front of the staff.

>>3342383
>>or more sort of unaligned-but-watches-out-for-his-buddies.

This is what the majority of them play. No chaotic or lawful stupid. Not much in the way of infighting. Just good ol' fashioned, "Let's go slay the Dragon, take their stuff, save the day, and get loot" type of D&D.

The DM that likes stories seems to prefer politics and intrigue to moral dilemmas.

>>3342316
are there platinum dragons besides bahamut in 4E? that particular trait is a bit mary sueish if not. otherwise fairly acceptable. being a monster hunterfag weapons and armor made from dead things are generally my favorite, and if you happen to have body parts that are already weapons, why not use them as such?

>>3342208
>>That kid with the tooth is playing Inuyasha.

I kind of thought that at first. I asked, he'd never heard of it. Not really. He's playing his character as a burly drill sargent/football coach.

However, they do have Naruto, DBZ, and One Piece Comics available to them. These are less popular amongst the white kids and D&D players but surprisingly so amongst the Black kids and Latinos. There are many binders bearing the likeness of Sasuke, Garra, the guy with the dog, and fan art characters.

>>3342426
I'd imagine so. We'll know for sure come the next MM.
>>3342457
Anime is huge among blacks. I really don't get it myself, but the most weeaboo people I knew in high school were the thug lite black guys.

I knew a black guy that was basically every gangster sterotype in one six foot tall something high school kid.

He was in the anime club and seemed to be incredibly weeaboo. He was a cool dude inside the club, when he wasn't he was a giant asshole.

>>3342383
>>but I kind of assumed they'd want to avoid looking like they were eager to commit more crimes in front of the staff.

Interesting note here. Because dice are not allowed on campus (due to kids gambling) they have to make due with little pieces of paper, folded and labeled with numbers.

They have them in paper "bowls" separated according to dice size, and instead of rolling, you just jumble them up, lose your eyes, pick a piece, and unfold it to see what you get.

These kids do some amazing stuff with paper. They even make pencils and knives. If only they knew about papercraft.

>>3342485
This probably has something to do with them loving wizards as well... So they like DBZ, Naruto, wizards...

Perhaps they just enjoy the prospect of possessing unique, magical abilties.

>>3342507
Teach 'em origami, or at least bring it a little book about it.

>>3342517
What kid doesnt?

>>3342529
True. I guess for some people, the dreams of "throwin' fireballs 'n shit" never end.

>>If only they knew about papercraft.

Why not teach 'em? If they can make shanks out of folded paper, there's not much worse you can teach them.

>>3342457
>>Anime is huge among blacks. I really don't get it myself, but the most weeaboo people I knew in high school were the thug lite black guys.

Juvenile Corrections Anon here...

How big anime is amongst blacks depends on where you live. Being black myself, and growing up in a largely white suburban community, I could really get into it and more easily find like minded people.

A lot of the black kids we get at the facility are from small rural areas, or the deep city, and tend to be poorer. They don't have internet, and they generally have more pressing daily concerns that makes makes being a nerd- spending money on videogames, comic books, and cartoons- a relative luxury. They know OF anime, and while they may like DBZ or One Piece, and may even enjoy them, they aren't necessarily fans of Japanese animation in general.

These aren't the wannabe thugs and gangsters we're talking about.

To illustrate just how different it can be, I told one of them I liked comics. His immediate thought was "comic" like comedian (D.L. Hughley, Steve Harvey,etc), not stuff like Superman or Spiderman.

D&D has always been popular in prisons, military bases, merchant navy, collage and anywhere that you have a bunch of bored people trapped together.

It's a good way to keep people entertained and out of trouble.

>>3342517
>>This probably has something to do with them loving wizards as well... So they like DBZ, Naruto, wizards...

They don't have any general like of Wizards. Actually, they seem to prefer the martial classes. Fighter, Warlord, Ranger, and Rogue are the most popular classes.

Interestingly enough, I've yet to hear of any Divine Classes. Not that I think that they're against involving religion and the like into the game. They just seem more interested in practical characters.


>>3342524
>>Teach 'em origami, or at least bring it a little book about it.

I don't spend enough time with them to teach them origami, even if I knew it, and we can't bring them books.

>>3342613
Ones I know and have heard about are all about the wizards, yo.

This thread is... very cool.

>>3342613
Wait.
How do they play dnd if you can't bring em books?

>>3342582

How tragic that we, in our ivory CPU towers, take these things for granted while others know them not.

:( Makes me want to start a charity for bringing nerd goods to these kids.

>>3342606
>>D&D has always been popular in prisons, military bases, merchant navy, collage and anywhere that you have a bunch of bored people trapped together.

Yep. Like I said before, even with the kids who don't play it, it's not some weird or nerdy thing. It's just another way to pass the time. It's either this, a puzzle, Monopoly, TV, or something else generally mundane.

>>3342628
>>How do they play dnd if you can't bring em books?

They can order books from a catalogue. One of the students played before he came to facility. Once there, he ordered books, started running games, and interest started spreading.

>>3342630
Shit, I bet you don't get that kid who's only over to play your xbox and will, at the first stop in action, walk off with no intention of coming back.

>>3342646
There aren't any papercraft books in the catalog?

>>3342582

You can't grow up on the mean streets and be a nerdy weeaboo.

Unless you're the RZA.

>>3342437

The ironic thing is that this pic kind of sums up my job. I work security.

Most staff overlook the kids at all times, waking them up in the morning, observing them during free time, moving them across campus in a group, etc. It's kind of like being a den mother/father.

Security, however, roams the campus. We check incoming visitors and escort them around campus, make perimeter checks, etc. In the event of a situation, like a kid showing constant behavior problems, getting into a fight, or breaking the rules, we get called in. We pull up in a big van, put them in handcuffs, and take them to the Security unit, which is a building built more or less like a prison, where they sit in a little cell as a sort of "solitary confinement" for a few hours or days/weeks depending on the nature of the offense.

>>3342689
>>There aren't any papercraft books in the catalog?There aren't any papercraft books in the catalog?

I wouldn't know. I don't have a copy.

>>3342723

When you go to stop the next kid who's being a prick and you have to throw him in the van

You have to say, as you're running at him

STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM

>>3342785

That would only be funny if the kid plays Oblivion.

Probably not even then.

>>3342081
That's how they got into the correctional facility in the first place

>>3342785

"Run"? Fuck that. I don't run. Even if the kid runs (and happens to be outside), I'll just hop into the van and chase him down. The facility is fenced in, so the best they can do is climb a tree or on top of a generator, at which point, it's simply a matter of waiting for them to come down.

Of course, with the weather being like it is, we haven't had a runner in a while.

I do, however, refer to the vans as "Party Vans".

>>3342804

Okay now that cracked me up.

>>3342794

Right. It's an esoteric joke at best.

At worst, it's inflammatory and is likely to make them not want to comply. They can go from cool to "fucked up" in a short amount of time, especially after security gets called on them for things they don't think they did (which is almost always the case if you let them tell it).

>>3342785
And then he gets fired.

Juvenile Corrections Guy...

Alright fellow fa/tg/uys. I'm out of here for tonight. I have nerd stuff to do tomorrow, which I have off. Happy gaming.

Bump because this is an informative thread , and I don't have a question to ask.

juvenile corrections guy is black!?

>>3342901
g'night man. have fun gaming.

>>3342901

Thank you JCG, it's been very interesting. We'll let you know if we should need more information on D&D among juvenile offenders, or for that matter should we have need of a burly negro for any reason.

>>3343062
Looks like you were a bit too late.

dang, so blackpeople DO play tRPG's...

>>3342148

Interesting personal anecdote to add to this. I work in a rehabilitation facility and the sex offenders tended very strongly towards dungeons and dragons(And role playing in general). The psychologists ended up banning it, but I found it fascinating about how many of them flocked to it like bees to honey.

>>3343470

what class/race did they play

>The psychologists ended up banning it

Did they give a reason?

>>3343756

It was some psychobabble. I wasn't directly involved so I only heard it through secondhand sources. There's a joke about /tg/ and misogyny based on this anecdote, but I can't muster the will to make it.

>>3343507

I remember elves, dwarves and a few gnomes. There wasn't anything particularly patterned about it. Well, except for the fact that it was so emergent in the sex offender segment of the population.

Bumping so this doesn't get lost. I find this utterly fascinating, Newjackfag, and I hope to hear more when you get back.

This is some pretty cool shit.

This is really interesting stuff. I know it's a juvenile corrections and not hardcore prison, but I still have mental images of the DM getting shanked after killing off someone's character. Have any arguments or altercations occurred because of D&D? Any other /tg/ related games being played?