Land Raider main battle tank will always be remembered. ;_;

In the grim darkness of the 1980s, everyone had shitty artists.

36 Guardsmen IN A FUCKING STANDARD BOX?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Why didn't I start playing back in the 80's?! Oh yeah, too young.

Shit you got 3 rhinos or 2 land raiders to a box? 30 marines!? How much did these cost?

>>3849890
They were probably cheaper than today, but bear in mind everyone had less money than today. Goddamn inflation...

>>3849890
30 bucks a box was shit ton expensive then.

Shit was so cash.

>>3849884
I wish Dreds looked more like that though. And the old skool orks are awesome!

>>3849890
they were smaller

but a fukken titan!

>>3849909
The old dread looks like a dollarstore Zord knockoff and old Orks were madeof even more HURRDERRR than the new ones.

DARK FUTURE BATTLECARS

This thread needs more comparisons of old models to new.

>>3849920
You've become a twisted, souless being, anon.

>>3849930
Oh epic! And, hey, it now looks like the marines could actually fit inside their transports!

>>3849939

What is that? Is that a peaceful shaman Skaven or something? A CLEAN Skaven?

i reall dont know, thats why i scanned it.

>>3849913
>Man Mangler
Sounds delicious...

>>3849970

Anyone know the rules for a hunter slayer?

>>3849970
Holy shit, nothing's changed!

>>3849970
Bring back Zoats.

as old as it gets

>>3849998
Holy shi--

White Drawf used to cover D&D and Call of Cthulhu?
FUCK YEAR.

>>3850011
More importantly, it was NINETY-FIVE PENCE AN ISSUE.

THAT IS TWO DOLLARS.

>>3849890
About £5 to £10

>>3850011

>>3849884
The two old greater deamons there are the epic scale models, and the dreadnaught is converted.

But still, yes there were crappy models back then, and painting wasnt really all that great, unless you were actualy still a half decent painter and avoiding the bright-colours-for-everything! phase like I and others were doing back then. A lot of them had character though, like more care had been taken in creating them than the somewhat soulless looking models you get now.

Also, fuck, that new Dreadnaught is well sculpted for sure by my gods its ugly, its like somene shat grimdark onto a brick with legs.

wd issue nr.74

>>3849965
Iss it just me that finds it odd that teh 'eavy metal team had to actually learn things like highlighting, shading and inking over teh years? A lot of the paintjobs on these old models from white dwarf look really plain. Kind of to the point that I wish i had a time machine so i could go back and give them some painting lessons around 1986 so that the models for rogue trader and such are displayed looking more like they do in the artwork than some of the brightly cartoon-like monstrosities they painted up...

I love how the squats box actually say SPACE DWARFS

>>3850121
Shit, that reminds me of those cheesy fake ads they used to put in KoDT. Ya know the one, it would be an ad for a western game one issue, then later it would be an add for a space game basically repainted over the exact same poses.

>>3849939

Wait a sec... are those dwarves listening to one of the mystic things from Dark Crystal?

Dark Crystal + Warhammer = mind blown.

wd issue nr.74

>>3850011

Yep! That's how GW started out, doing models for D&D games and stuff. I used to have some of those really old magazines, they'd probably be worth a bit now :(

yep, THE original gurps ad.

wd issue nr.70

>>3850121
Wouldn't have playing a game with a hammer and sickle in the logo have been a ticket to government inquiry?

wd issue nr.101

thrud turned farmer

>>3849884

Are there any more old/new comparisons like this?

our elf team consists of these minis, we have some of the orcs too.

mike looks sooo young

>>3849870
Fuck off, newfag.

>>3850204

Not really. Cold war was still around, but it was really winding down by then. It wasn't "Holy fuck, World War III is around the corner" so much as "Haha, those stupid commies". Nothing at all like the paranoia of the 50s and 60s.

>>3849883

>Implying the 90s had better art.

[spoiler]Liefeld[/spoiler

>>3849905

Cash was so shit?

>>3849870

Your picture is not inquisition-approved. Pic related.

>>3849870
THEM DORFS MAN

do they carve fortresses into asteroids?

>>3850302
Please, citizen. If it wasn't paranoid, then how could have the greatest role playing game system ever, PARANOIA™, have come to fruition?

>>3850410

Honestly, we realized how silly our paranoia was, and figured it'd make a great game.

>>3850193
>Saxophone Velociraptor.

WAT?

>>3850772
Should count as Slann.

>>3850204
GW is British. Our government was no where near as paranoid as yours was.

>>3849890
>>3849903
Cost of minis then vs now.

Okay, first off let's dispel some myths right now.

Most of those shown were 1990's stuff. Warhammer 40k RT came out in 1987 but they didn't just release a flood of boxed stuff all at once. It took time to get things going, so look at the 90's and that's where most of the boxed stuff came into play.

Assuming the buying power of a dollar today is $1.00, the value of a dollar in 1990 -1992 was 1.70 to 1.48 (according to DoTheNumbers.net) or 1.65 according to Measuringworth.com

So, let's see... a box of 30 plastic marines was right about 15-18 dollars at merlyn's games in Spokane. A box of Harlequins was like 24.99 and the 17 space orks (metal) box was about 20.99

So, assuming gw were to have multiplied those costs by 1.65. you'd only be looking at $30.00 for a box of 30 plastic beaky marines.

So, the value of Assault on Blackreach at $60.00 for 50 mini's is about right.
The reason being is you get rules, packaging, templates and so forth in addition to the minis.

However, let me be clear about this... AoBR was touted as a huge bargain. Other GW products are WAY outside of their price point based on inflation, and GW in the 1990's was hugely profitable.

GW pricing is significantly outpacing the rate of inflation, but claiming to be riding the ragged edge of financial ruin. In other words, they are screwing their customer base, charging them more today than ever, and definitely more than their minis are worth based on previous price points

GW needs to cut production costs and keep prices as low the black reach box set.

>>3851333

No. GW just needs to stop making so much money that it then wastes on a nightmarish bureaucracy which employs more personnel managers than games designers.

MORE PICTURES for the love of god

>>3851352
>>No. GW just needs to stop making so much money that it then wastes on a nightmarish bureaucracy which employs more personnel managers than games designers.

Dind ding ding... the correct answer.

GW needs to shed it's bloated and useless management down and leave it's core competencies (the model makers and game designers) alone.

There are too many chiefs and not enough braves.

>>3849870

How is it that nobody has commented on BATTLE CARS. Fuck, I wish I wasn't a toddler when these came out so I could've gotten some fucking awesome BATTLE CARS.

>>3849884

I for one miss the old times when there was MORE THAN ONE JETBIKE IN THE ENTIRE IMPERIUM.

>>3851352

Agreed. They need to re-organize, fire most of their management staff (you only really need three or four administrative personnel per two hundred employees in a company anyway) and hand product control back to the game designers.

>>3851494

ORKY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

WHY MUST YOU SHIT ON THE ONE GOOD FACTION LEFT, GW?!

What the hell is Dark Future?

>>3852014
almost like gorka morka

>>3852014
http://www.rottenlead.com/wordpress/2007/05/15/battlecars-by-gamesworkshop/

Vehicular combat game.

Redshirts in the United States are required to memorize the GW-NA management structure from their store manager up through Ernie Baker.

That is currently five levels of management; hobby center manager, district manager, regional manager, retail ops manager, GW-NA manager.

So let's take Games Workshop Springfield Plaza as an example; the hobby center manager, Bing Lee, reports to the district manager, Mark Bolger, who reports to the regional manager, Kyle Miller, who reports to the retail operations manager, Ed Spettigue, who reports to the director of Games Workshop's North American subsidiary, Ernie Baker, who in turn reports to the larger Games Workshop corporate structure, referred to as 'the group' in internal company training material.

Can you spot the redundant levels of bureaucracy in this equation? And that doesn't even account for the home office bureaucratic bloat, which makes Games Workshop North America look like a paradigm of managerial efficiency.

>>3851456
ok

wd issue nr. 109

Anyone read the old White Dwarf? Used to be an industry magazine, talked about games from all over, gave updates on a bunch of companies. Latest products, hell they even had DnD content, it was a lot like the back half of a KODT comic. Now? Now it's a corporate shill that only talks about GW. What happened, guys? GW, you used to be run by gamers and care about your fellows. Now you've let CEOs and Accountants take over. Where did the fun go? The love of the game? I have to say, you're disappointing the community, GW.

ans some titanicus fluff

>>3852207
STOP. MAKING. ME. WANT. TO. PLAY. EPIC!

how about ig then?

anybody up for some editing?

>>3852371
anybody up for some editing?

Old Farseer approves.

teriminator marine, aye.

i really like that bloodbowl coach

I wonder what /tg/ is up to toda- OH GODS THE TIDE OF POOR SCULPTING AND SILLY RAINBOW ARTWORK MY MIND BUUUUUUUURNS

wd issue nr. 113

>>3852123
Okay, now take all that bloat, and start assigning salaries.

A regional manager expects to make $50,000 a year minimum, and how many of those are there?

And then add in the district managers, the support staff for them, the IT staff, the accountants at each level, etc etc. Though I'm sure some people serve multiple roles. All that bureaucracy adds up fast.

And here's the main bit, all those people don't CONTRIBUTE to the bottom line, they are not producing new products, they are not selling, they are not playtesting, they are eating into the bottom line.

They really need to trim the fat now, this economy will not support the bloated beast that they've become.

>>3852427
rainbow colors you say?

>>3852427
No one is asking you too like it. There is room for nostalgia on /tg/...

>>3852399

That commander looks kind of badass.

>>3852431

another editing job

another editing job
>>3852494

>>3852483

Why does #5 have a huge penis?

wheel of magic

>>3852518
Because CHAOS

>>3852399
MODEL REQUIRES ASSEMBLY
GODDAMN RIGHT THAT MUCH PURE AWESOME REQUIRES WORK.

marauder
fuck yea

wd issue nr. 114

>>3852555
Does that guy have a fucking moon head?

>>3852561

Yeah, the early days were crazy like that.

why no Khorne in the early days?

>>3852561
The legendary carnival man.

>>3852579

He was around, just weird coincidence that none of the scaned pages here show his minions.

This is awesome in an 80s kind of way.

>>3852534
That command group at the top is actually pretty damn good.

>>3852483
The top two on the right, now thats what more painting in that era should have been. more muted, dirty and less cartoon-y.
Also, those pink horrors could look a lot better if the arms were hunched over into a more gorilla-like pose methinks.
A big differnce between now and then though is how basing style has changed form being an afterthought of green flock to something you put a little work into, mixing a bit of brown sand in with flock and static grass. Base up old minis like that and they look amazingly better.

>>3852483
>note the symbol on the shoulder
That's the lower arm, boss.

>>The top two on the right

those were painted by john blanche iirc, he always sported a rather unusual paintingstyle on his minis.

I sincerely love the old-school 40k with crazy colours, dodgy models and wacky puns.

It's so much BETTER than it is now. Sure the models are ropey, but they've got a sense of humour. The whole thing feels like a nightmarish futuristic drug trip rather than the cover of a metal album.

Give me art that's just a wall of arms and skulls and heads and guns with tanks driving over it and one overly-scarred eyepatch wearing focus character in the middle with a skull codpiece or whatever. Give me Marines that aren't afraid to choke a bitch, or Sentinels with Plasma Cannons.

Give me robots which require programming, and virus grenades, and 3+ saves on 2D6.

It's better than anything GW make now.

Believe it or not, this is one of the 1st ed sketches.

Jes really raised the bar when the Aspect Warrior models were first done.

>>3849970
why does that space wolf have a genestealer head???

I smell heresey

>>3852649
Terminators originally only had a 2+ save on 1D6 that could only be modified up to a 6+ actually.

And Marines were T3. AND AWESOME.

>>3850265

#19. Female orc cheerleader tits.

wd issue nr. 116

>>3852644
Nah, John Blanche's painting looks more attributable to the guy below, the orange-y-red mess of whatever the fuck that is.

GENESTEALERS

>>3850265
Elves look so... 80s

>>3852673
wolf helmet

>>3852734
ahhh that tall pretty man brought you a flower <3

>>3852758

>>3852720

Holy shit! Why did they turn that design down? It looks a lot better than what we have.

I'm now secretly plotting to start up some first edition rules games...

>>3852817
Holy shit Titans were awesome back then.

>>3852672

>Totally excesive hair crest
KING OF CRESTOPOLIS¡¡

green cover is green

>>3852876
and had at-st legs!

>>3852876
Titans were Zoids back then apparently

>>3852817
dont those legs and torso come from Zoids kits?

>>3852963
Includes full rules for SOLO PLAY if you're too much of a FAGGOT NERD to find friends to play it with you!

>>3852649
>Sentinels with Plasma Cannons

Coming soon son, coming soon.
Back to the glory days.

bloodletter genestealer hybrid...

chaos orc

>>3849884
Horribly inaccurate regarding the greater demons. It's comparing the 6mm Epic scale Keeper of Secrets and Lord of Change to the normal 40k/FB scale models.

Also prefer the general design if not the looks of the older dreads to the new walking cathedrals.

And I just like the older orks period.

>>3853061
that 3 headed one is fuck awesome

>>3853076
old orks look far to silly, even for orks

>>3853005
not so much a fan of the ultramarines upsidedown stretch land raider, but the top one ... damn thats cool. Really captures that early 40k feel. And yet its biggest alteration seems to be just a track &roller change.

>>3853005
These honestly look better than their modern counterparts!

>>3853160
........


What.

My Rogue Trader book is the pride of my game collection. Sure, the models are primitive and some of the interior art is lolwut, but its packed full of rules and fluff and was definitely written by gamers, not lawyers, bureaucrats, and salesmen, like current GW products.

This is the best thread to come to /tg/ in a long time.

>>3852817
Holy shit that thing's part Gustav!

Best part of RT days... Races were balanced based on a point cost system.

Marines were fuckwin, but any race you wanted to field against them was fuckwin too because their shit was point balanced.

Example... look at the system for creating Dreadnaughts in the RT compendium. (red cover with ultra marines on front) The Orks, humans, and eldar had buildcosts that were all from the same table. So while the eldar might field a super high tech monster on the battlefield, for the same point cost so too could the marines or orks.

>>3851494
HOLY EMPEROR ON THE TOILET, I HAD THESE. THEY WERE AWESOME.

/R/ING RIPS OF THE CASSETTES OR SCANS OF THE GAMES ;_;

>>3853384
i have that right here boss

I was at a warhammer shop the other day and we played a few matches. I was using Orks and my friend was using Godly space marines.

This other guy that we met was also playing space marines and he had the really old models. For one he had an old rhino and the things are TINY. Like half the size of the modern Rhinos.

>>3853384

>>3853384
the points system was a bit weak though, but was a damn good idea. It needed scaling up a a decimal place to allow for more variation in prices, as orignially many weapons were just a point or two, not really enough to make much of a difference when you have things like autoguns being superiour to lasguns (32" range autoguns, fuck yeah) yet both were 1 and a half points basic.
Still, random generation of equipment and a GM made shit fun. And random plot generation, that was pretty good too, since every game should have some back story to it.

>>3853468
They aint that old really :|
Still got one and some RT marines lying around here somewhere lol.

>>3851494
/tg/ has a new mission: Locate and upload Trollish Tunes.

That is all.

>>3853591

Damn, I wish they'd kept that aesthetic style for the IG. Shit would be so Maschinen Krieger.

>>3853591
Oh fuck, ZOIDS!

>>3853599
What about tau and necrons?

>>3853729

-.-

>>3853729
...

>>3853729
Now now guys , he's at least partialy right about necrons, they are at about 10 years old from their initial "concept model" by now. I remember geting it for free from the cover of a whitedwarf mag.

>>3853729
Didn't exist yet.

This thread has further convinced me that no Warhammer or 40K art or fluff from before the mid-90's is worth more than a pile of shit.

Hey guys, hey guys, 1998 here! Remember when you thought Necrons might have potential , do ya, DO YA!

>>3853885
WELL YOU WERE WROOOOOOONG!

>This thread has further convinced me that no Warhammer or 40K art or fluff from after the mid-90's is worth more than a pile of shit.

>>3853589
Believe it or not, that hover tank's still canon.
It's in the Horus Heresy Collected Visions book.

>>3853885
>>3853892
Oh and dont forget the lazychair.

>>3853936
And the bulkiest irobot skeletons known to man.

>>3853901
Man, I loved that tank, the think was a right old workhorse for carrying a large gun to where you needed it, more reliably than lesser armoured skimmers. Also looks straight out of 2000AD, like most 40k things back then. They missed out on not really featuring it when they re-did vehicle construction rules.
I'm also amazed it didn't make it to the original Epic models, would have loved fielding a large unit of them, I could see them being quite useful in that scale, with area to move... Oh well.. can always stat them up for Dirtside 2 if I could get a few converted.