Her boat crashes on the Land of the Amazons (of fucking course; not finding a matriarch who beats the shit out of everyone she meets sufficient, Ariosto wants us to buy a full-fledged institutionalized MATRIARCHY where women beat the shit out of everyone and men can only wield weapons if they beat the amazons in combat, as though male superiority in military matters were a matter of culture rather than nature! ...and of COURSE the idiot implies that very very few of the men are capable of defeating their female oppressors in this martial challenge, despite the woman's naturally inferior physical strength!)

The crew and the warriors and everyone who got shipwrecked will get killed or enslaved by the Amazons if they can't get themselves a champion who can beat some of their low-tier male warriors who earned the right to bear arms by beating a few amazons. Naturally, they all turn to Marfisa, this WOMAN, to save them. Jesus, could the agenda be any more obvious? And of course, she WINS, against men who earned their weapons fighting the AMAZONS, so it's not like they were completely unfamiliar with the concept of hitting girls. So, having won, she becomes Queen of the Amazons. This is sickening tripe obviously intended solely as wish fulfillment marketed to self-important teenage girls. Queen of the Amazons--more like Queen of the Mary Sues, am I right?

(continues)

Later on, she gets to France, having apparently stuck with the idea that she should be beating up every white Christian male who dares to cross her path instead of being happy with the whole Queen of the Amazons deal. Some shit happens, she gets in some fights against large numbers of large burly dudes (and wins, of course), and meets some male knights she helps out. Those knights in turn meet a few other, larger, burlier male knights, and the larger male knights beat them up easily, causing Marfisa to rescue the helpless worthless males and save the day. Yawn. Look, I GET it that maybe once upon a time women had to endure being nothing but the damsel in distress, but reversing the situation ALL THE TIME is not only grating but breaks suspension of disbelief because not only would no woman be ABLE to beat that many strong well-trained medieval killing machines, a woman's natural complacency and lack of violent drives would mean they generally wouldn't even WANT to.

So some of the knights she was ABOUT to beat up turn out to be going to Paris to sack the place in the name of Islam, making them the first Muslims who were jerks that I can remember encountering in the whole fucking story. LOL BROWN PEOPLE ARE NOBLE AND PURE is just stupid, I mean LOOK at the Middle East for fuck's sake. WHY should we have to humanize our enemies? WHY is it regarded by these PC artfags as being so vitally important to respect them and value their lives so much when they obviously do not reciprocate?

(continues)

feminists suck and are the reason girls don't wear cute dresses anymore

Marfisa, of course, being the Mary Sue--oh, I'm sorry, I meant Muslim warrior--that she is, goes "Hells yeah I'll help you sack the place, I'm only here to pick a fight with Roland since I heard he was the best knight in the world." So she rides off to help take Paris.

A lot of shit happens that I don't quite remember with her character after that point. It turns out the man she fell in love with was her long-lost brother, so she immediately falls out of love with him because Ariosto probably just didn't want to make people think he was going to turn her into Circe Lannister, and she's far to PERFECT to want a little incest; like all women in this story, her motives are always pure and good and honorable.

She eventually converts to Christianity, joining the white male Christian knights of Charlemagne as a full equal and shit, because she found out her dad was a Christfag--I think this is the author's way of trying to make the story less sickeningly politically correct, while at the same time giving us the standard "THEY ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT FROM US LOOK THEY CAN BE MORE LIKE US" message that lies at the heart of all political correctness.

All in all, do not invest your time or effort in this horrible nonstop politically correct propaganda. I would have hoped that the feminist agenda and liberal PC garbage about respecting other cultures like Islam would not have mattered so much in a work from 1516, but dammit it looks like there's nothing that the feminazis don't already control.

And don't get me started on Bradamante.

tl;dr misogynist bitchfest

In conclusion, medieval Europe was far too feminist and politically correct.

Thank God for the American Republican Party.

>>4489267
THIS ABUSE OF THE NAME OF THE HOLY EMPEROR'S INSTRUMENT OF RETRIBUTION SHALL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.

GRR I AM SO ANGRY AT BOOKS
RAEG

>>4489335
Forgot your pic.

OP you are trying too hard.

Rather than trolling us, why not attempt to start a nice conversation about historic realism vs 'cinematic' action, and whether or not Orlando Furioso is successful in balancing the two.

It still sounds like shit, with a Mary Sue character. I'm not buying into your 'scientific' explanations and flaming hatred of Islam though, in India at least efforts to liberalise it have been in place since the 19th Century. But yes you're totally right that at this period in India she should have been veiled up and separated in a different part of the house. It is bullshit.

I, for one, welcome our feminist writer overlords.

>>4489356

>a nice conversation

I don't know what that is.

OP, take this internet. You deserve it.

Very, very well played.

Too subtle and educated for /tg/, OP.

ITT a litfag with a sense of humor and the uneducated man-children who don't get it and embarass themselves by posting anyway.

I lol'd.

That begets the question:

Why are you reading this shit?

>the standard "THEY ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT FROM US LOOK THEY CAN BE MORE LIKE US" message that lies at the heart of all political correctness.

I smiled slightly at the truth behind this statement

>>4489396
>historical epic, an old classic of Western literature
>why are you reading this shit?
You're right, he should read something good, like novels about WALLHAMMUH FAULTY KAY.

>>4489307
>In conclusion, medieval Europe was far too feminist and politically correct.

>Thank God for the American Republican Party.

You win the thread, sir.

>>4489327

My Blood Angels dread was called Orlando when I was a teenager, after Orlando Furioso.

I think I'm going to be called gay now for many reasons.

To the Moon Orlando!!!!
the moon!!!

Sounds less like the author is a talentless feminist hack and more like the author is a talentless submissive hack. Certainly sounds like shitty literature, but the description of this Queen Marfisa seems more like a Mary Sue (in the sense of an ideal mate, which just so happens to be dominant and aggressive).

>>4489475
how do you faggots keep missing the point

>>4489477
It's possible they're just trying to further the trolling along.
That's what I choose to believe, anyways.

>>4489483
OP is a brilliant satire.

The rest of them are just making themselves look bad.

But seriously, archive this shit. History major, or just for kicks?

so. angry. at. books.

zomg.

Props, OP. Mad props.

>>4489417

I'm a germanfag. Orlando Furioso's not something well-known around here. Pardon my ignorance in this matter.

Anyway. Seems like the book's a parody. I'm reading it a bit and in stanza 22 two knights are already all: "Bros before hoes, dude. Nobody wins if the pussy gets away."

To the Moon! Reclaim Rolands mind from its bottle!

OP, you misspelled "dego."

>>4489515
The major themes of western works remain pretty consistent. Bros Before Hoes is one of those major themes.

You can tell the underageB& fags and the retards apart from the intelligen/tg/entlemen by seeing whether they go HURR SHIT SIX or realize this for the epic win it is.

>>4489496

Kicks.

There are probably a few unintentional inaccuracies in the posts, btw, since it's been a while since I read it. And the intentional inaccuracies certainly won't help if actual history majors start going over it with a fine comb.

>>4489515

Yeah, sometimes it seems like pretty much all the most enduring epics about knights are at least a little satirical.
More people know about Don Quixote than about any of the works it makes fun of and all that.

/tg/ - Sexism

Wait I'm studying literature and I've never heard of this at all? English literature mind, but covering European stuff like the Greek epics, Dante, and the origin of sonnets is pretty much standard.

Can someone enlighten me?

>>4489544
/tg/ - stupid faggots who don't understand satire.

>>4489522

If that's what you like, you should honestly get somebody to translate all the obscure 19th century military pulp fiction. Shit's full of bros (and horses and honour) before hoes.

>>4489555
I don't really like it that much or anything.
It's just a pretty big theme in Western lit.

Never even heard of the book before this thread.

Greatest troll in months. 10/10 good sir.

>>4489555

Any suggested reading?

>>4489552

It's a Renaissance addition to the Matter of France, which was the legendarium surrounding Charlemagne and his Paladins that spread around pretty much all of Europe.
Even the Vikings made their own version of the Matter of France in the 1200's in the form of the Karlamagnus Saga.

>>4489571
Learn to tell trolling apart from quality original content.

>>4489578

Not on top of my head, sadly. I've mostly read about them in secondary literature I don't have available right now.

>>4489581
Oh well that explains it then.

I should have taken more modules in medieval and Renaissance literature, haven't covered much besides Chaucher, anonymous early authors, then skip ahead to Sidney, Spencer, Milton, Shakespeare. But most of that was last year, I've been a mostly 19th Century literature reader for my whole degree.

Plus I think most European degrees naturally lean towards the works of their country of origin. I severely doubt that any French university covers Shakespeare.

>>4489581
Carlis li Reis, nostre emprere magne,
Set anz tuz pleins ad estet en Espagne;
Cunquist la mer, et prend la tere altagne--
Kastel ni ad ki devant lui remaigne,
Murs ne citest n'i est remes a freindre,
Fors Sarraguce, ki est en une muntaigne.
Li reis Marsile le tient, ki Dieu nen aimet--
Mahumet sert, et Apollin recleimet.

OP, many times in your posts you say that women aren't as violent as men.

Well let me tell you something. When me and my brother were growing up we never laid a hand on one another past age 8. Our father never hit us either.

Our mother however slaps us and our father every time she's angry with us. She also destroys things whenever she's angry.

I also have a niece and a nephew. Which one constantly beats on the other? My niece. The little bitch has even kicked me in the nuts before. And my brother's wive isn't very placid either, but at least she doesn't hit me.

Women are FAR more violent then men. The only reason that men have a reputation for being more violent is because some men beat the shit out of people to feel manly, and women are only more then happy to back up that reputation for their own selfish reasons.

Stop backing up bullshit gender stereotypes.

>>4489644
>women are far more violent than men
>my limited personal experience reflects universal, inherent tendencies!
God, shut the fuck up. Why can't faggots on /tg/ understand that their experience isn't universal truth (or that their personal preference isn't objective fact)?

>>4489644
>stop backing up bullshit gender stereotypes! Use MY bullshit gender stereotypes, instead!
Not a very cool story, bro

Annnnnd cue gender shitstorm, because some morons have to make retarded useless sweeping generalizations.

Surprised it took this long, but fuck all you shitcocks anyway.

>>4489663
>>4489672

I'm not basing this off of personal experience alone, statistics agree with me.

>>4489644

This tastes like cold copypasta.
But not just ANY cold copypasta, no, that wouldn't be enough for you.
You decided to chew on a bite of the copypasta and use it to tickle your uvula until the taste of pre-vomit coated your mouth, but rather than puking in earnest all over it you just opened your mouth and let a trickle of bile drain onto the copypasta, leaving us with a post that is at once stale, not entirely thread-appropriate, and bitter as fuck.
You have just made the internet a little bit worse for being on it.

>>4489644
see
>>4489477

>>4489694
>HURR DURR DERP DURR

>>4489615
Oh lawdy! Is dat sum Old French?!

>>4489704
SERIOUSLY
WHAT THE FUCK
ARE YOU SO USED TO RETARDED SEXISM YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE FUCKING SATIRE
I HATE YOU ALL TO DEATH

Im all for white christian males getting beaten up.
They arnt tough as proven by OP getting his knickers in a twist over a story.

Women generally (GENERALLY) arnt mighty warriors ill agree but there are lots and lots of female leaders of nations who were very war like.

>>4489706

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=2281
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/04/30/father-shot-and-killed-by-his-12-year-old-daughter/

What now bitch?

>>4489477
>>4489477
>>4489477
>>4489477
>>4489477
>>4489477
>>4489477
>>4489477
this post is now required reading before posting itt

>>4489722
What the study says:
"Girls in middle and elementary schools involved in violent incidents may be more likely than boys of the same age to be retaliating for a previous event, to experience the violence at home, and to have a family member intervene."

What faggots on /tg/ read: "WOMEN ARE INHERENTLY, ALWAYS, OBJECTIVELY MORE VIOLENT THAN MEN."

Holy fucking shit, could you stop being a fag for one fucking second and LEARN HOW TO FUCKING SCIENCE?

Dont people need to be familiar with what is being satirized in order to get it?

>>4489727
I'd say that would be >>4489383, really.

>>4489728
>What the study says:
"Girls in middle and elementary schools involved in violent incidents may be more likely than boys of the same age to be retaliating for a previous event, to experience the violence at home, and to have a family member intervene."
>What faggots on /tg/ read: "WOMEN ARE INHERENTLY, ALWAYS, OBJECTIVELY MORE VIOLENT THAN MEN."

This makes me sad. Why do you have to make me sad by doing things like this, /tg/?

Can't we just forget about Marfisa & talk about Bradamante instead?

Dont people need to be familiar with what is being satirized in order to get it?.

Not just misogynist; he manages to bring up current events, imply a pro-war stance, display a poor understanding of Islam, and frequently use /tg/ buzzwords like "Mary Sue," as well.

9/10. He worked hard for this troll.

>>4489743
No. She's hotter.

Also Bradamante is a fag name.

Orlando Furioso ("The Frenzy of Orlando", more literally "Mad Orlando"; in Italian furioso is seldom capitalized) is an Italian romantic epic by Ludovico Ariosto which has exerted a wide influence on later culture. The earliest version appeared in 1516, although the poem was not published in its complete form until 1532. Orlando Furioso is a continuation of Matteo Maria Boiardo's unfinished romance Orlando Innamorato ("Orlando in Love", published posthumously in 1495). The action takes place against the background of the war between Charlemagne and his Christian paladins, and the Saracen army which is attempting to invade Europe. However, Ariosto has little concern for historical or geographical accuracy, and the poem wanders at will from Japan to the Hebrides, as well as including many fantastical and magical elements, such as a trip to the moon and an array of fantastical creatures including a gigantic sea monster called the orc and the hippogriff. Many themes are interwoven in its complicated, episodic structure, but the most important plot is the paladin Orlando's unrequited love for the pagan princess Angelica, which develops into the madness of the title. After this comes the love between the female Christian warrior Bradamante and the pagan Ruggiero, who are supposed to be the ancestors of Ariosto's patrons, the d'Este family of Ferrara. [1]

The poem is divided into forty-six cantos, each containing a variable number of eight-line stanzas in ottava rima (a rhyme scheme of abababcc). Ottava rima had been used in previous Italian romantic epics, including Luigi Pulci's Morgante and Boiardo's Orlando Innamorato. Ariosto's work is 38,736 lines long in total, making it one of the longest poems in European literature.[2]

>>4489748
No. OP tells you what it's about.
Also they can google it.

>>4489749
Please see these posts:
>>4489383
>>4489477
>>4489554

Then kill yourself.

>>4489615
what the hell is this fucking moonspeak?

>>4489738

Wouldn't people who aren't familiar with a particular work of literature not care about what some internet prick says about it?

For all they know, Orlando Furioso could involve obvious authorial self-insertion characters going on thirty page rants about how the sword is good, the penis is evil, and the world must be purged of the filth of the masculine.

>>4489756
Seems like OP is posting some obscure shit.
You win is you are trying to be elite (and fail) and fail if you want people to actually get the joke.

>>4489762
Because people have responded to your post and they are divided by it, one must assume yo is troll'n.

>>4489762
>>4489738
Jesus freaking christ let me spell it out for you.

The OP TELLS you what the work is about, he gives you the freaking plot summary. The satire is in his reaction TO the plot. No prior familiarity with Orlando Furioso is required to enjoy his post, although it does help to enjoy it more fully (as then you are geting the humor of his "summary" as well).

>>4489762
>obscure shit
Dude, I bet you'd think Beowulf was obscure if Neil Gaiman hadn't made a 3D IMAX movie out of it a while ago.

>>4489770
PROTIP: anything he hasn't heard of is "obscure shit". That way he can avoid feeling bad about being very poorly read.

Op is reading Italian poetry. OP is gay.

>>4489784

Dulce et decorous est, pro patria mori.

>>4489784
>Reading Italian poetry makes you gay
I guess Universities are making people by assigning Dante, then.

>>4489792
>Latin, Italian, same thing
Veni, vidi, facepalm.

>>4489792
...also it's "dulce et decorum".

archive this win.

Ugh. This thread needs to be purged.

>>4489798

Well, it's also "Universities are making people gay by" instead of "Universities are making people by" but not everyone feels the need to point these minor slip ups out with something that obviously isn't the other person's first language.

Pic Related.

>>4489798
I dont go to an american university so i study subjects related to my degree rather than literature. Sorry amerifags.

>>4489813
You win this round, sirrah. BUT ONE DAY, WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT, YOU WILL COMMIT A TYPING ERROR WHILE POINTING OUT ANOTHER'S, AND I SHALL BE AVENGED!

>>4489806
Done.

>>4489816
What about bisexuals? Edna St. Vincent Millay was an amazing poet.

>>4489267
Protip: a 4'8" vietnamese chixzor with an AK47 can fuck the shit up out of a US infantry or Marine infantry company by exposing a flank and causing them to drop USD1 000 000 is 1968 dollars on mud and one cheap arse whore cunt.

Chix: disposable flanking elements.

>>4489820
Clearly you are a better person for it.

ITT some people have educated conversations that go over the average neckbeard's head.

>>4489832
ITT some geeks are also nerds while other geeks are only geeks.

>>4489828
Well ill be a better microbiologist. Thats for certain.

Women are certainly more evil than men. If they appear less violent, it's because they are too physically weak to succeed at it all that much.

I think it would be good to include a rule that says female characters cannot be lawful good, in addition to the -4 STR.

Literature is an arts subject.
Arts is for failures and party boys. girls are generally looking for a retarded husband with rich parents if they do arts.

>>4489841

Perhaps the same could be said of all /tg/ discussion topics.

>>4489844

/tg/ discussion topics are for failures and party boys. girls are generally looking for a retarded husband with rich parents if they post on /tg/ discussion topics.

OP, that was wonderful. I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't even realize that your posts were satire until halfway through the thread, they were so subtle and in character! I need to read more epic poetry; there is clearly quite a bit that I have been missing out on!

>>4489743

Bradamante is a total ripoff of Brienne from ASoIaF, but PRETTY!!!

>>4489841

Heroic epics are a traditional gaming subject.
Traditional gaming is for failures and failures. Girls are generally not even looking for a retarded husband with rich parents if they do traditional gaming.

... The fact that I stumble across this while writing a paper on the very same topic makes me think OP is in the same class as me, and is having a very similar reaction to the prompts we've been given. Woo.

>>4492187

Huh. Pray tell, what are these prompts?

Sage for:
wall of text
no traditional gaming relevance
full of smug litfag responses