You need some contracts.

>>6060294

Cloister Bell was one a privileged young girl, daughter of a wealthy couple that made his fortune at the Stock Market, named Marisa Bell. Her family felt under hard times during the Crash and the following Depression, her father comiting suicide and her mother rendered cathatonic. Young Marisa started looking for a job in a wealthy family, but she was rebuked. She started looking anything, mopping the floor for a few dollars, but she found nothing. Until one day a kind and beautiful lady told her she had a big mansion out of the city. And that Marisa could work for her.

>>6060307

Exactly. And one merit dot.

But I'm kind of stuck there.

>>6060294
You should delete this thread and repost it in the Changeling thread here:

>>6058720

>Fighting Finesse (mop)
>Fighting Style (Fencing)
What the fuck is this.

>>6060352
Merits. So she can fence with her mop, I assume.

Wouldn't let that be lethal damage, though.

>>6060324

Turns out she was one of the Gentry. It was a cruel and demeaning master, living indeed in an endless mansion that always needed cleaning and offered interminable chores. Marisa was suspicious that her Keeper was part of the Mansion. She always dragged more servants, and punished the really unrully ones by transforming them in objects.

You'd better not be playing on Wanton fucking Wicked.

What time is the current game set in?

>"Changelings who were taken as infants or very young children, and those who were abducted more then 50 years ago, don't have a strong enough memory of their homes to find their way through the Thorns."

>>6060374
Oh, wait. Is that chronological or calendar years?

Re-reading it, I'm assuming it's chronological.

Never mind, carry on.

>>6060374
C'mon, you know that sort of thing is ultimately up to the storyteller. If the ST allows it, it's fine.

>>6060362

As her keeper got new toys ans servants, she always forgot and lost interest with old ones. So she tried to escape. She was caught two times, turned into a mop and a door bell each time. But somehow she always found a way to "return" to her "normal" form.

The third time, she stole the many keys of the house form her Keeper. She run away, using her empathy with the mop to defeat all the Loyalist that tried to stop her.

And then she found herself in New York. She was agast.

>>6060374

2000 and something.

>>6060385
True. Though growing old in Faerie might make you hard-pressed to get back.

The idea of a doddering old Changeling being led through the Thorns by a pack of teenagers is pretty cute.

>>6060397

She found that all her family was lost or somewhere in this new huge city of lights, noise and smoke. Marisa Bell had officialy died, assaulted and murdered by a gang during the worst of the Great Depression. Alone in the world, she wants to create a safe place for Changelings that escape from their Keepers, especially childrens that got taken by the Gentry.

>>6060446


As a human teenager, Marisa was beautiful, thin, despise her plain physique. She still looks like a teenager with sulken eyes and a tired expression, with callous hands. Cloister Bell aged only 10 years, buyt even her fey mein looks more like a teenager than an adult - the "shortning" effect of the Wizened making her smaller and thiner - but with some facial wrinkles of an older woman. She dresses like an old maid or old style clothing, but Cloister Bell when saw through her disguise always looks dressed as a Victorian maid. Sometimes, when saw from the sides, she looks thin as the mop she was once, and when in highly emotional states sometimes she jingles like a bell. She always keeps her mop with her, with a bell attached so people can be warned that she is doing her chores and isn't to be disturbed.

>Young Marisa started looking for a job in a wealthy family, but she was rebuked. She started looking anything, mopping the floor for a few dollars, but she found nothing. Until one day a kind and beautiful lady told her she had a big mansion out of the city. And that Marisa could work for her.

"Oh boy, I can't wait to work as the new head maid the Scarlet Devil Mansion! Now I can steal books from Voile even easier!"

Are all of you faggots posting on /tg/ about your '20s New York game?

Where'd she figure out how to do mop fencing?

>>6060714
Well, when a girl gets really bored and is alone in a room with just a stick...

>>6060738

>>6060714

When she was the mop. She understands mops on ways you can't even believe. See >>6060738

>>6060904
Did she participate in Mopfencing duels?

>She was caught two times, turned into a mop and a door bell each time.

DAMMIT, NAGA.

>>6060294
not sure were this character concept is going but you should put points into contract of reanimation (speaking with and animating objects) or if you want more magicky stuff hearth and omen. also your last merit should be in resources or new identity

> not sure were this character concept is going

>>6060289
> Old. I already read this on http://www.anantalk.com/ (anan = anon) last night.
Are you for real?

changeling dump?

>>6060647
What's this about a '20s New York game?

>>6061082

Contract of Reanimation, got it.

Yes, Resources will probably be the choice, by default.

>>6061426

I'll put Artifice at 3.

Where can I found Contracts of Reanimation?

Oh, and what court is best for Bell?

I was thinking Winter or Spring.

There is no Goddamned reason for a dice pool of 8 without a weapon at character creation, your character is horribly lacking in just about everything but fighting--and for some reason crafting.
For someone supposedly Kind Hearted, she sure has shitty social skills and would likely come off as brusque or annoying.

There is no Goddamned reason for a maid to have 4 dots in a fighting style unless she's in a jRPG where dust mites need to be fought off, and fuck you to the pits of hell if you actually use that. Though it is pretty Fae. That's still no reason for Dexterity, Fighting Style, and Weaponry of 4. Make a realistic character, this isn't some video game. The only damned reason that you took Weapon Finesse is because you want to minmax your Goddamned Kith ability. Stop being a faggot and knock Dexterity down. With 9 again you are powerful enough that you don't need to be Sakuya.

I have no damned clue why your maid is a master carpenter.

>>6061605
Well, since despite rational thinking, you want to be a combat monster, I'd say Summer Court is the one that would fit you, if not the character.

>>6060365

What's wrong with Wanton Wicked?

>>6062514

If you can think anything else than Dexterity and Crafts for housework, I'm open to it.

>>6062514
Hi Edward BadWrongFunguy.

>>6062514

You know what my ST has problem with?

Always having a mop with it. I'm only dealing bashing and have a permanent. She's a girl that spend seven decades as a MOP and wielding a MOP. She can do pretty few things other than being a good maid (Dex + Crafts is what we are using for it) and using the mop in strange ways. And for me, nothing is stranger than beating a bunch of Loyalists with it.

You don't need to be charming or manipulative or strong-willed to be kind. All you need is open hands.

>>6062560
Well fuck, I guess that does make sense. But you still shouldn't have anything higher than 3 dots.

I'd also suggest that if your concept is about being friendly and lovable, you should concentrate more on social than physical. Unless your ST throws True Fae at your party all the time, you don't need to be that fighty. Fencing with a mop is fine, but you're The Goddamned Maidman (you're Goddamned right!) [I can't find the image, so you'll have to make do with Kanye instead of Maidman].
You are severely crippled in almost everything you do besides crafts, fighting, and stealin/sneakin.

Think about what you want the character to be like. Don't even think about stats.
From what I can tell, I'd go with much less fighting, more social. I'd also suggest picking up social merits. Contacts, that sort of thing. As for Contracts, I might suggest something that would help her escape. Contracts of Darkness, or Contracts of Smoke. Maybe after being changed into a mop and a bell she found it easier to learn Contracts of Mirror.

Also:
>Marisa
Fuck you.

>>6062625
Why would she learn to fence with a mop though? And why would she be that powerful with it when all she's really had to do is clean?

There's absolutely no reason for that other than combat potential. It doesn't fit with the character (kind and killing don't usually go together), or the concept (Slaves don't usually start learning to swordfight with their tools).
Besides, it hasn't been 70 years, it's only been 10, and she's started mastering an art that doesn't even use what she's got.

>>6062681

I might drop dex and weapon skill and one dot in the style.

And I return back to the slate: I don't know what else put that in. I want her ankward socialy, weak of will and of no mental skills worth noticed. She wasn't very smart and this is a strange world.

I was thinking more of Striking Looks. And that's what I can think

Contracts of Mirror and Smoke sounds fitting.

>>6062721

She had only one weapon: herself. Don't you understand? She *a* living mop herself. She studied other servants maneuvers or something, until she found something she could use with herself. It was fighting with bells or a mop-.

>>6062721
Protecting yourself from the Shikis of Arcadia.

>>6062681

>>Also:
>>Marisa
>>Fuck you

It's an homage to the original concept, Touhoufag and it's my girl's second name. Of couse I will keep this name.

>>6062721

Have you ever killed an Arcadian clockroach? Nasty stuff.

>>6062748
Edward hates touhoufag passionately. Just by associating anything remotely with him or Touhou causes an unprecidented endless amount of hate.

Prepare for a flood of shit and tears. And spanked cats.

>>6061554

Let us go over any and all contract suites that should be affinity contracts for you, not counting court contracts:

• Contracts of Dream, Changeling: the Lost, pages 124-127
• Contracts of Hearth, Changeling: the Lost, pages 127-129
• Contracts of Mirror, Changeling: the Lost, pages 129-132
• Contracts of Smoke, Changeling: the Lost, pages 132-133
• Contracts of Artifice, Changeling: the Lost, pages 134-136
• Contracts of Animation, Winter Masques, pages 52-55
• Contracts the Forge, Rites of Spring, pages 99-102
• Contracts of Hours, Rites of Spring, pages 102-105
• Contracts of the Moon, Rites of Spring, pages 105-108
• Contracts of Omen, Rites of Spring, pages 108-111
• Contracts of the Wyrd, Dancers in the Dusk, pages 64-69
• Contracts of Lucidity, Dancers in the Dusk, pages 69-71
• Contracts of the Board, Swords at Dawn, pages 46-49
• Contracts of Thorns and Brambles, Swords at Dawn, pages 49-53

Should any of these interest you, please do tell, such that I may provide further details.

>>6062514

>That's still no reason for Dexterity, Fighting Style, and Weaponry of 4. Make a realistic character, this isn't some video game.
If the OP wishes to play the archetypical combat maid, then by all means, let her play the archetypical combat maid.

>The only damned reason that you took Weapon Finesse is because you want to minmax your Goddamned Kith ability. Stop being a faggot and knock Dexterity down. With 9 again you are powerful enough that you don't need to be Sakuya.
Is the character concept suddenly destroyed by having that extra dot be placed in Dexterity rather than Strength or Stamina? Wizened are known for their agility and deftness, after all.

>>6062625

>Always having a mop with it.
Attempting to deprive a person of a moderately-sized length of wood would prove as ludicrous as banning the carrying of a cane, would it not?

>have a permanent
A permanent what, exactly?

>>6062817

permanent - 1 dice in fencing rolls because it's not a fencing sword.

>>6062723
Drop Dex, Weaponry, and Fighting Style (which should be at 2, not 3, if anything).
Switch Mental and Physical.

Add points to:
Academics, to represent her upbringing in an originally rich family.
Investigation, if for no other reason than for finding dust spots. A specialty in Cleaning would fit well.
Expression, most likely for singing. Keeping yourself busy with song is incredibly common, as well as being a great trope: The shy servant girl with the beautiful voice.
Athletics, because a Fea's mansion is not likely to be flat surfaces.

I don't know why she has Larceny, unless she was regularly a little magpie, or used it when she was poor. If that's the case, I'd also suggest putting dots into Survival (Urban), which also can come in handy for someone who just dropped into New York of 70 years into the future.

My biggest problem with your character is that she's the stereotypical dojikko that suddenly becomes a tactical genius in a fight.

>>6062845

The mansion. Full of doors and locks. She needed to have larceny to escape. And she tried many times.

>>6062845

She was rised by a wealthy family in the 20-30's. Not the most enlightning age for young ladies. The struggle was going on.

>>6062817

While we are on the topic of book sources...

• Fighting Style: Fencing/Kendo (Aggressive Light Sword), Armory, pages 210-211; Armory Reloaded, page 66
• Fighting Finesse, World of Darkness, page 110

Additionally, now that I look at it, I would strongly recommend taking 1 dot in Contracts of Brambles and then 4 dots in any one other Contract. Contracts of Brambles •, you see, is the following:
>Bite of the Wooden Fang (•)
>The most basic expression of the changeling’s power to mimic the terrible maze through which they first fed their captors, Bite of the Wooden Fang demands the user tithe a fraction of his power to a blunt weapon made of wood, vine, or other plant matter. The weapon must inflict bashing damage for this Contract to take effect. An enemy struck by a weapon empowered by this Contract is slashed and bitten by dozens of thorns that rise invisibly from the weapon at the instant of contact.
>Cost: 1 Glamour
>Dice Pool: Dexterity + Wyrd
>Action: Reflexive
>Catch: The changeling uses a whip made of plant materials, such as a hemp rope or even a thick vine.
>Roll Results
>Dramatic Failure: The thorns bite back, causing the character to drop her weapon. Her instant action for the turn is lost.
>Failure: The weapon does not grant any additional bonus.
>Success: Invisible thorns appear along the length of the weapon, granting the weapon a bonus on the character’s next attack equal to the number of successes rolled. This bonus stacks with the weapon’s usual bonus.
>Exceptional Success: As per success, and the weapon’s damage is converted to lethal.

This would obviously be applicable on a mop.

>>6062771
>Edward hates touhoufag passionately
Actually I love references to things, but I also hate them. Naming a character after something in a clever way (as opposed to just being named after an anime character) is something that I both love and hate.
It's like a pun. God I hate puns. I want to kill everyone who makes a pun. But damn they're funny.

>>6062817
>If the OP wishes to play the archetypical combat maid, then by all means, let her play the archetypical combat maid.
Then a few dots would suffice. Not every game is like yours, Touhou. WoD is supposed to be handled realistically, not combat maids. It's also a shitty animu archetype. Weak pathetic girl who suddenly becomes Musashi when it's time to fight. It's at odds with the rest of the character, which isn't a fighter at all. Nothing in that backstory even attempts to justify it.

>Attempting to deprive a person of a moderately-sized length of wood would prove as ludicrous as banning the carrying of a cane, would it not?
No, but it does make you look like a crazy hobo. Which totally does fit in with Changeling, as most of them are crazy hobos.

>>6062817

>>• Contracts of Artifice, Changeling: the Lost, pages 134-136
• Contracts of Animation, Winter Masques, pages 52-55

This fits a maid, but probably fits the "kind elf" theme more.


>> Contracts the Forge, Rites of Spring, pages 99-102

Cool, but I doubt for her.

>>• Contracts of Hours, Rites of Spring, pages 102-105

Don't know this, but maybe something fits.

• Contracts of the Moon, Rites of Spring, pages 105-108


>>• Contracts of Lucidity, Dancers in the Dusk, pages 69-71

Maid and Shrink? Hum... she may be a good confident.


>>• Contracts of the Board, Swords at Dawn, pages 46-49

What? If it was Ironing Board would work, but I doubt it.

Mop fighting would be closer to polearm than fencing.

>>6062878

Thanks, Brambles 1 it is.

>>6062893
And yet, not every game is like your's, or is run by you, or follows your concepts on what is proper so extremely. Isn't it pretentious to judge what's in line with the character concept and what isn't? Doesn't it occur to you that to dictate as such makes you a disabler instead of an enabler? "Your shit sux, change it," vs "Let's see how we can further fit your story and your stats together?"

Oh, wait. Forgot who was posting here.

>>6062942
>"Your shit sux, change it," vs "Let's see how we can further fit your story and your stats together?"
Which is exactly what I've done.

It's also pretty pretentious of you to say that my concepts on what is proper are so extreme. I'm going by what the book says, and I've never considered the rules to be an extreme version of the rules.

>>6062942
>>6063063

Oh, oh, play nice guys. Both opinions have merits of their own.

>>6063063
>YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE MORE THAN ____ OF A STAT EVER
>BAWW TOUHOUFAG SAID SOMETHING HE MUST BE WRONG.
>YOU CAN NEVER SPECIALIZE IN ANYTHING DECENT NO MATTER HOW MUCH TRAINING OR REASON YOU'D HAVE IF YOU DO YOU'RE NOT A ROLEPLAYER

>>6063085
>You should never start out with a stat that high for no reason, especially if it's at odds with your concept. Make a realistic character, this isn't some video game.
>Touhoufag isn't necessarily wrong, he's stupidly misguided.
>Implying that a maid with Olympic fencing prowess is reasonable.

>>6063134

It's a fey maid. That only fences with a mop. With which she has empathy like it was part of her.

>>6063149

THIS.

I've been point this out. If anyone knows another way to express her empathy with mops other than using it as a freaking weapon and use it well, I'm open to hear it.

>>6063134
>Implying that 70 years of following certain procedures, actions, and practices cannot POSSIBLY lead to a stat higher than 3.
>Implying this kind of shit is reasonable.
>Implying Olympic Level activities require more than 70 years of practice, training, and practical use.

>>6063170

Please, don't start with the implying. Don't turn this into a troll thread.

>>6063180
All WoD threads are troll threads. Just like all D&D threads.

>>6063149
Alright, let me explain what I mean.

If you go all out on the concept, where the only two things that matter are "mop fencing" and "maid", then you don't have a character, you have a bunch of stats and cliches.

My point isn't to get rid of the fact that this is a maid who fences, my point is that there's no reason for her to fence that well. She's better than Olympic fencers despite training for ten years with a mop.

Besides, you know, the way to obviously reconcile the fact that she's a championship fencer and a maid is to... you know, LOOK TO THE GODDAMNED BACKSTORY SHE WAS FUCKING RICH AND RICH PEOPLE FUCKING FENCE. Then it makes some fucking sense more than "I was a mop, so now I can mopfight like Mister Clean on steroids."

This is what I'm talking about. Making well rounded characters that are more than stats and combat. She had a life before, didn't she?

>>6063170
It's only been ten years for her, and she's teaching herself. Which is why it's much more reasonable to have it tie into her original life, which here amounts to little more than a Touhou joke.

>>6063225
Generalization is for normalfags and Paladins. People forced into impossible lifestyles at the whims of an impossible dictator specialize like the insects they're forced to become or they suffer and die.

And frankly, I think your past life matters less when the Arcadia seeps in.

>>6063225

Ok. So she fenced before. Maybe she was going to be an Olympic fencer. And she lost all that because fencing is EXPENSIVE AS FUCK - I know that well, if played fencing before and let me tell you, makes crack and Warhammer look cheap.

>>6063251

AND she still can use a mop as fencing tool because she was the mop.

>>6063244
No it isn't. If you aren't prepared for everything, you'll die as a changeling in Arcadia. Not to mention that you'd still need to get through the Hedge alive with more than just stickfighting and cleaning.

>>6063251
Exactly. It calls to something in her past, and makes that she existed before being captured all the more fleshed out.

>>6063256
Okay this whole "she can fence well because she was a mop" is really retarded, and isn't even necessary. That's like saying I should know how to use people as weapons because I'm a person.

And I've played Phantom Brave.

>>6063225

Don't any of you notice that if she uses fencing on anything other than her mop she will get -2 penality dice? If she fenced before, has "Mop feel" and trained it for a fuck-load of time, what's the problem?

>>6063298
No, it's like saying you know how to use people as weapons because you swing people in your arms all day.

>>6063225
>Mister Clean on steroids

My next Changeling concept.

Has no one mentioned that fencing with a mop is fucking stupid? you'd be far better off using a spear or polearm style of combat.

>>6063286

He's right. She tried many times. She had to train her fencing, she had to learn to be silent and she had a lot of pick pocking and lockpicking to do. And she was still lucky.

>>6063326

"Jogo do Pau"; la canne, Trinidadian and Irish shillelagh.

They're fencing styles that use short/long sticks. It's like polearm using without blades, and the WoD puts it as fencing.

>>6063316

What makes some sense in a totally alien way!

That sounds feyish.

>>6063316
The argument is that she can fight because she was a mop, not because she uses the mop.

And really that would mean that any maid knows how to fight using a mop.
>>6063310
-1

>>6063359
I thought the argument was that she was a fencer and a mop, and can therefore fence with a mop.

>>6063325
I should have said "even more steroids".

>>6063359

No. That's -1 for using other thing than a non-fencing weapon. Aditional -2 for using anything outside her style.

>>6063366

It is. A fencer that know more things about mops than people are confortable knowing. Oh, the things she can do with it...

>>6063286

>If you aren't prepared for everything, you'll die as a changeling in Arcadia.

A changeling who, say, spent a third of a century performing naught but sifting through a colossal ocean of fairy tale books and compiling an Arcadian bestiary, frantically clacking away at a typewriter lest she miss the tyrannical deadline for today, left in the lonely repository of knowledge perpetually bound and gagged for scribes need not speak, is not entitled to Intelligence 4, Dexterity 4, Composure 4, Academics 4, Occult 4, and Expression 4?

>>6063393
Considering that they barely remember any of it, no.

>>6063384
What are you talking about?

Also, I don't think the character actually gets a -1 penalty for using a mop, because you can do fencing with canes.

It also just occurred to me that this character can spend a point of Willpower to kill someone in one turn.

>>6063405

I'm glad I don't play with people like you.

>>6063393
> is not entitled to
No.
Also how do they get Expression to 4 if they're gagged?

And while you can make the argument for years and years in Arcadia, but those people who spend years and years in Arcadia aren't going to be coming back.

>>6063414

WHAT?

>>6063438
>Also how do they get Expression to 4 if they're gagged?
Writing a novel is under expression.

>but those people who spend years and years in Arcadia aren't going to be coming back.
Wait, I thought that was the game's premise.

>>6063438

WRITING MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU KNOW IT?

What I don't get is, how is getting a bunch of contracts and merits logical for you people while skills isn't?

>>6063427
If you're taking
>Intelligence 4, Dexterity 4, Composure 4, Academics 4, Occult 4, and Expression 4?
Then we're all glad we don't play with you. Seriously, how do you even get stats like that? Do you think that having an older character means a damned thing? This isn't some game where being old gives you XP. You want to be fifty years old? Well good for you, you're still going to get the same stats as someone who's 20. You've just got a little more leeway on how you get them so high. Not this kind of leeway.

Seriously though, why the fuck does this hypothetical character need Dexterity, Composure, and Expression at 4? Those aren't even related to the concept.

>>6063462
>Seriously, how do you even get stats like that?

...by putting 3 of your attribute points into intelligence, 3 into dexterity, and 3 into composure?

>Do you think that having an older character means a damned thing?
It changes your character concept. You know what character concepts are, right? It's a part of determining how to build and roleplay a character.

>This isn't some game where being old gives you XP.
You don't need any XP at all to get those stats.

>Those aren't even related to the concept.
Yes, they are.

>>6063458
WRITING A BESTIARY ON MOTHERFUCKING GOBLINS IS OCCULT.
Seriously, writing books like this don't involve anything to do with Expression.

Also, I don't advocate getting contracts that don't fit the character either. They're given more leeway though.

>>6063487
>WRITING A BESTIARY ON MOTHERFUCKING GOBLINS IS OCCULT.
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>>6063384

Let us allow page 66 of the Armory Reloaded to, once again, shed some light on this matter:
>Special Drawback: Even though this Fighting Style’s rules apply to many different weapons, the varied methods mean that you are at a disadvantage when applying it to a sword (or long stick) that isn’t used in your particular school of fighting. A fencing master won’t be able to easily use his version of the Fighting Style with a katana. If your character uses a maneuver in conjunction with an unfamiliar weapon, you suffer a –2 penalty to your character’s Weaponry dice pool. This does not apply when your character’s just trying to hit an enemy – just when he’s trying to use a specific maneuver. This makes the Thrust (•) maneuver useless with unfamiliar weapons
>Assume that each school can apply this Fighting Style to up to three weapons. For example a kendo player could apply this to the katana, wooden bokken (club) and bamboo shinai, while a classical kenjutsu stylist might be able to use the katana, bokken and wakizashi. To broaden your character’s ability with this Fighting Style, select the Student of the Blade Merit.

I see no flat -1 penalty for using a non-fencing weapon here.

>>6063405

Intelligence 4 and Composure 4 provides you with a fine memory, and should you wish to not be lenient in this matter, I may point you in the general direction of the Eidetic Memory 2 merit.

>>6063438

>Also how do they get Expression to 4 if they're gagged?
Page 80 of the World of Darkness explasin that "When composing a poem or writing a novel, roll Wits or Intelligence (depending on whether the work is poetic or factual) + Expression."

>And while you can make the argument for years and years in Arcadia, but those people who spend years and years in Arcadia aren't going to be coming back.
Might I inquire what your point here would be? The skills one would gain from her Durance should be plentiful, no?

>>6063485
>...by putting 3 of your attribute points into intelligence, 3 into dexterity, and 3 into composure?
Hurrdurr, I meant concept wise. That's incredibly unrealistic.

>Yes, they are.
Explain why a librarian needs to so much Dexterity. Or why he's a poet. Or why anything he has is so damned high.

>It changes your character concept. You know what character concepts are, right? It's a part of determining how to build and roleplay a character.
"I don't want a realistic character. Instead I think I'll put 4 dots in the traits that most fit my character, so that instead of being well rounded and realistic, he's a stereotype and mechanically flat."

>>6063513
>Explain why a librarian needs to so much Dexterity. Or why he's a poet. Or why anything he has is so damned high.

Ook!

>>6063513
>Explain why a librarian needs to so much Dexterity.
Explain why he should have more than 1 stamina or strength.

>I don't want a realistic character.
>Being captured by fey is realistic.
>HURR

>so that instead of being well rounded and realistic, he's a stereotype and mechanically flat
>Having no focus is interesting, having particular strengths and weaknesses makes you flat.
>DURR

>>6063507
>Page 80 of the World of Darkness explasin that "When composing a poem or writing a novel, roll Wits or Intelligence (depending on whether the work is poetic or factual) + Expression."
Is he writing a novel? A bestiary would be Int+Occult.
>Might I inquire what your point here would be? The skills one would gain from her Durance should be plentiful, no?
My point is that you have an incredibly flat character who's only real trait is that they excel at a narrow list of tasks.
"Plentiful" does not mean like this, "plentiful" means they should have more varied traits.

>>6063554
>Magic being not real means that I'm free to make a retarded character and everyone should just deal with it despite the fact that any rational ST will slap me down for being such a powergamer.
>My character's stats make no damned sense and he's so focused that he can't do anything else, but that's okay, because I'll just say that he's got strengths and weaknesses and that that makes him DEEEEEP, despite his strengths and weaknesses being incredibly unrealistic.

>>6063589

Can we just ban this guy already? I'm tired of this shit in every damn thread he's in.

>>6063513

>Explain why a librarian needs to so much Dexterity
Swiftly hitting the keys of a typewriter for years on end tends to hone manual agility.

>Or why he's a poet. Or why anything he has is so damned high.
Academics 4, Occult 4, and Expression 4 were attained by doing nothing but paging through tome after tome after tome and consolidating information into neat, thick bestiaries. The character does, in fact, possess a great deal of skill in poetry, for fairy tales often do contain such media of fiction.

>>6063695
That would be easier if he'd namefag consistently.

>>6063695
>this guy
>one person

OP, you have my deepest apologies. This was supposed to be posted half an hour ago, and I had assumed it was indeed posted. To my dismay, I had found this tab with a "Field too long" message and the message not having come through. My confusion had caused this delay, and once again, I am sorry for this.

>>6062896

It would depend on the length of the mop, really. If it was one roughly four feet in length, then it could be used with Fighting Style: Fencing/Kendo (Aggressive Light Sword). If it proves too long, it can be modified with a hacksaw appropriately, and Dexterity 4 and Crafts 4 should allow a for smooth adjustment process.

>>6062935

There are four more points I must take up with you:
1.) If you decide upon a contract suite which is not so focused on the Wits attribute, you could consider Resolve 3 rather than Wits 3. After all, your Moulinet maneuver is fueled by Willpower, and let us face it, all-out attacking shall more often than not prove to be a fine idea when you are attempting to put down your opponent as fast as possible. After all, since the errata for the Armory imposes a 1 Willpower cost on the Riposte maneuver, that is of much less value than Moulinet.
2.) You should use your last merit dot to purchase yourself Resources 1, which should be enough to afford a fine mop along with a kevlar vest (for protection, of course, since this is a dangerous world and civilians can, in fact, purchase such an item). Alternatively, should you be willing to drop your Clarity to 5, you could purchase Wyrd 2 and Fighting Style: Fencing/Kendo 4, and then use your 10 XP on Fighting Finesse 2, Mantle 1, and Resources 1, though this is by no means strictly superior as high Clarity is a good trait.
4.) Daemonfey. Would you be the same person who plays Abel?

>>6063737
Don't worry.


>>1.) If you decide upon a contract suite which is not so focused on the Wits attribute, you could consider Resolve 3 rather than Wits 3. After all, your Moulinet maneuver is fueled by Willpower, and let us face it, all-out attacking shall more often than not prove to be a fine idea when you are attempting to put down your opponent as fast as possible. After all, since the errata for the Armory imposes a 1 Willpower cost on the Riposte maneuver, that is of much less value than Moulinet.

Hum... I'm still fumbling through the books looking at merits. If I don't pick one that uses Wits, I may boost Willpower. 4 is low indeed.


>>2.) You should use your last merit dot to purchase yourself Resources 1, which should be enough to afford a fine mop along with a kevlar vest (for protection, of course, since this is a dangerous world and civilians can, in fact, purchase such an item). Alternatively, should you be willing to drop your Clarity to 5, you could purchase Wyrd 2 and Fighting Style: Fencing/Kendo 4, and then use your 10 XP on Fighting Finesse 2, Mantle 1, and Resources 1, though this is by no means strictly superior as high Clarity is a good trait.

Yes, Resources is good, at least 1. And Clarity is GOOD. I'm not very willing to lower it.

>>4.) Daemonfey. Would you be the same person who plays Abel?

Yes, I'm. I wasn't hoping you to remember me. Oh, Abel is being ganked. This is with other ST.

>>6063711
>Swiftly hitting the keys of a typewriter for years on end tends to hone manual agility.
No. Just... no.

>>6063826
>Yes, I'm. I wasn't hoping you to remember me. Oh, Abel is being ganked. This is with other ST.
It makes so much more sense now. Why is this character so incredibly powerful? I take it this isn't another outlandish free for all?

>>6063866
>Why is this character so incredibly powerful?
Why should the character be a gimp because you have ridiculous notions of how nWoD should be played, and are in fact, the guy that hovers over people telling them their fun is wrong?

>>6063866

No, but it's still very underdoggish.

>>6063866

We get the reasons of your dislike for Touhoufag and his playing style, yes, we get it, and yes, it's possible to get it and still disagree with you.

Now that you've made your point and the OP has stated he'd rather listen to Touhoufag than you, would you please get out?

Thank you.

>>6063826

>Hum... I'm still fumbling through the books looking at merits. If I don't pick one that uses Wits, I may boost Willpower. 4 is low indeed.
I suggest you concentrate on contracts rather than merits, since we already have the latter covered. Should you be experiencing difficulties in downloading the books in questions, name which ones you lack and I can provide links to PDFs of them. I am fond of the Contracts of the Forge from Rites of Spring, especially its lovely fourth dot, but alas, its dice pools would be quite mediocre given your attributes and skills.

>Yes, Resources is good, at least 1. And Clarity is GOOD. I'm not very willing to lower it.
Very well. I suppose you can make do with Wyrd 1.

>Yes, I'm. I wasn't hoping you to remember me.
There is little reason to be ashamed.

>Oh, Abel is being ganked. This is with other ST.
Well, that is fairly demoralizing to know. I wish you an auspicious next session, however, and that you somehow pull a victory from out of the aethers.

>>6063933

Hey, I like to hear different opinions. And I like Touhoufag analytical mindset. But other people may have good points too.

Thing is, concepts, storylines and storys and plots and settings I can manage pretty much on my own - it's enriching to hear other people toughts, but it's not needed. Now, I have a very bad memory and find much settings difficult to master - specially WoD, where I lose myself in the fluff.

Other people enrich me. Touhoufag always teaches me something I didn't knew. I feel it makes me a better ST and player and helps me understand better a more analytical player.

>>6064050

Reading Contracts of the Forge now,

>>6064050

Found changelings flaws in the Rites book.

Anachronism may fit the character, don't you think?

>>6064074

Read it. You know, they look pretty more "Maid-ish" than Artifice. "Cleaning up the image", "Maid messing things so they work against the boss", "Maid always knows where stuff his and has big pockets", "Maid keeps the house always tidied, even if she has to change it."

I really like it, dice pools aside.

>>6064058

>Touhoufag always teaches me something I didn't knew. I feel it makes me a better ST and player and helps me understand better a more analytical player.
Thank you.

>>6064129

>Anachronism may fit the character, don't you think?
You could make a case for Anachronism for most changelings from long-gone (well, relatively) eras. Shame that it provides no details on what it actually does from a mechanical standpoint, of course. Speaking of issues regarding the time stream, you could consider the Contracts of Hours, also from the Rites of Spring book, which are affinity contracts for all changelings, though they are of questionable effectiveness and utility... and a time-manipulating mage might be overstepping certain boundaries.

>>6064171

You would need to invest in Expression for the first dot, of course, and you may be able to make do with a paltry 3 dice for the third and fourth dots.

>>6063933
Why shouldn't I be able to add my two cents? OP has also seemed to find some of the things that I've said useful, and it's always nice to have multiple viewpoints.

>>6064058
Thinking too analytically is not a good thing when it comes to WoD though. The sheer number of things you can do with Pledges rewards not an analytical mind but a creative one. It's nothing mechanical that lets changelings be so strong, it's purely creative. This is also why Mages are powerful. Because they can literally make things up. Focusing only on the mechanics means you aren't playing the whole game.

Analyzing the game scratches the surface, it's easier to ignore the analytics other than just what you need to deal with an analytical player.

>>6064325

Yes, removing Animal Ken for Expression. I still didn't understand why did I pick Animal Ken. Expression at leasts allows to hum some tunes while working.

Oh damn. Contacts of Hours until dot 3 also look Maidish. Now I'm balacing either Forge 4 or Hours 4.

>>6064325
>Shame that it provides no details on what it actually does from a mechanical standpoint, of course.
That's because it has no mechanics. It simply hinders the character because they don't know anything about the modern age, and when they do, they still don't have the same knowledge that someone who came from 2008 would have with, say, computers if they've come from 1950. It's like that episode of Futurama with 80s Guy.
Or, you know, Futurama as a whole.

This is what I mean when I say that an analytical mind is not the best thing for World of Darkness. It makes things like this seem different than they are. From an analytical standpoint this could be seen as cheap (it's a Flaw with no actual drawback. Should be an easy way to rack up bonus XP), or it could be seen as cheap (this person is trying to say they should have a Flaw that does nothing! That shady player!).
It's actually an incredibly debilitating flaw that's worse than being crippled. Look at the technology around you.

Now pretend you didn't know what an of it was. That's just technology. Think about common phrases, events, slang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPzzYhuhOxo

>>6064393
Go with more Expression. Caged bird meido.

>>6064404

And this is why I like to hear as many people I can.

Anachronism it is.

I was pretty sold up after remembering Futurama.

>>6064415

Raised it to 3. She is going to be very penalized socially, and can barely make her point other than singing. And she has some empathy for others.

Oh, and what Court?

>>6064615
Well, I still stand by my statement that if you're so bent on her being a combat machine that she should be Summer, but Spring also works. I can't see her being Autumn. Winter in it's aspect of hiding works as well, but not so much the sorrow. They're also teachers, and I don't see Marisa as being a teacher.

>>6064404

>That's because it has no mechanics. It simply hinders the character because they don't know anything about the modern age, and when they do, they still don't have the same knowledge that someone who came from 2008 would have with, say, computers if they've come from 1950. It's like that episode of Futurama with 80s Guy.

"The changeling receives a -2 penalty on Academics and Science rolls (and if she possesses the Encyclopedic Knowledge merit, Intelligence + Wits rolls for the merit as well) which relate to knowledge which has only been refined since the early 1900s and onwards, be it history of the Late Cretaceous period or how these newfangled automobiles work. Her lore is simply out of date. Medicine rolls receive a -1 penalty; her medical skills may be a little archaic, but they remain functional for the most part. The character may not begin play with dots in the Computer skill, and rolls using this skill receive a -3 penalty; good luck trying to teach a Victorian lady of the ways of Windows.

"These penalties may be reduced by 1 for each respective skill by purchasing dots in the skill in question. For example, a changeling with Academics 1 could reduce the penalty for that skill to -1 by upgrading her Academics to 2.

"On the upside, Expression, Persuasion, and Socialize rolls made to garner the good graces of those who favor the old ways may stand to gain a +1 bonus."

There, was that so hard? White Wolf could have easily added in such provisions, yet they had failed to do so.

>>6064660
Your faggotry really does know no bounds, doesn't it?

>>6064646

I REALLY can't see her as Autumn.

Courtwise, Depends on what you want her personality to be...
Based on how she escaped her durance (she kept trying till she got out,) maybe consider dusk? If that's to fatalistic, I'd probably go with summer.

I really don't see what everyone is complaining about. I was the person who asked for help figuring out a changeling maid way back in that other thread, and this is really way better than what I turned out. I don't see it being really improbable to have high weapon skill / fencing skill. A ton of Keepers are fond of the whole 'throw you in a pit full of monsters' rutine. She probably just had to clean an impossibly large house. A house so large that parts of it were wild and angry. She simply had nothing to fight against it with save her mop. Her craft is her cleaning role yes, but it could also be fixing that vase that broke before her keeper found out about it, or making sure that the table was balaned. Things like that. I don't know if it really warents 4 dots, but it was a wild house and lots of stuff probably broke. My only qualm would be the larcency. I can understand the lockpicking in that many of the rooms she has to clean were behind locked doors, but I don't know about 3 dots. I'd also say that a character active like this should have another dot of athletics.

Wanna explain the lust vice?

>>6064615

Marisa as Spring: people need to find cared. Their desire for things need to be handled. Marisa can offer a "love nest" for lovers.

Marisa as Summer: Nobody fights for no reason. They need a home to defend. Marisa defends and keeps a nice home, trying to inspire others to fight, even if she lacks words or feats of strenght. On quieter days she may train others to fight as well.

Marisa as Autumn - A hard one, but maids are overlooked. Like the Tricoteuse of the French Terror, Marisa stands, looking and drinking despair, while creating small scenarios of fear.

Marisa as Winter - She tries to create a hidden, safe place. She's not above fighting to defend it, but she prefers to keep it low profile. It's safer that way.

>>6064660
>yet they had failed to do so.
It's not a failure. It's a Flaw, it doesn't even need to have a penalty, because even if the penalty comes up, it doesn't mean that you've earned the bonus XP. Even giving it a mechanic is nothing more than giving a crutch for people to keep from taking it in the hopes that it comes up.

Also, what if your character doesn't come from before the 1900s? What if, like Sarah Connor, they come from 1997? She's completely missed out on one of the most influential events of the century.
Those are arbitrary penalties that are based on nothing. Why couldn't they start with computers? What if they see them and are so interested in them that they love them and start learning all they can.

It's much better to leave it up to the ST if they ever get penalized, or even if they get to roll at all. A character that just stepped out of the hedge isn't going to hear about 9/11 if they just came from 1997.

>>6064750

Oh yes, I was seeing nobody would ask about the lust vice!

I was thinking that she may have healthy apetites. She was taken at a young age, and despise her duress, she still dreams of a Prince Charming. She's hungry for "human" contact and finds it hard to relate, trying to "seduce" with chores and with little pieces of attention.

Don't know if it will work well as Lust...

>>6064767
Says you, I walked out of the hedge into ground zero on september 14th 2001. God was that awkward.

>>6064750

Oh, and Dusk?

>>6064787
I'd say Envy would be better, or perhaps Greed focused on contact instead of money. That also makes me once again suggest Social Merits like Contacts or Allies.

>>6064832

Envy of the Fairest, yes, that could work.

But she can be the little lusty maid that never gets laid...

>>6064804
Court of Dusk, from Dancers in the Dusk. The Glacial Axe, The Umbral Court, The Court of Dooms.
They think that the world is basically going to get worse, or stay pretty bad, no matter what anyone does. With this in mind, they do all they can to shine in that darkness. Sort of like "The world is going to end... let's make sure they remember us!" type thing.
Their governing emotion is Fatalism.
Mantle gives +1 die on heroic efforts, half cost on iron stamina and related merits, and the chance to reroll resolve, composure or stamina rolls once per day.

>>6064751

Have you considered the alternative Courts? The four Directional Courts, the Sun Court, and the Moon Court from Winter Masques; the Dusk Court ("CHANGE!") from Dancers in the Dusk; and the Dawn Court from Swords at Dawn are all possible options. For example, if the changelings who had accepted her into their court were mainly from Chinatown or a similar area, I could see her being a member of one of the Directional Courts.

>>6064767

>Also, what if your character doesn't come from before the 1900s?
If you would bother reading the flaw, you would see that it is meant for characters from the early, early end of the 20th century, a time with no airplanes, no "no functional airplanes, no radio programs (let alone television), very few automobiles (all handmade) or electric lights (most homes were still lit with gas or oil lamps and candles)". This is an entirely different beast from having been from 1997, a time which is not THAT substantially distinct from 2009.

>>6064852

I like it.

>>6064852
If you want her to be a bit less fatalistic, you can allways go with the summer court. Dawn court would work to, I think...

Dawn Court, the bloody rose, the auroral court, the court of salvations.
They believe in changing the world for the better, even at great personal sacrifice.
Guiding emotion is Hope
Mantle gives Inspiring Merit at no cost, +3 to one die roll per day, chance to regain all glamour if she causes a significant change in someone.

moar of OP!!! she's the sexiest bitch i've seen in a while

None of the directional courts work for you. North is Personal Suffering, East is Envy and Greed, South is immense Ecstacy, West is honor.
The day/nights don't really work either. one is all moralfag and powered by people feeling ashamed of themselvevs, the other lolevil and powered by people being disgusted.

>>6064865
>If you would bother reading the flaw
Why? This is where an analytical mind makes things difficult. You see it as only something for living in the early 20th century.
I'd want to play Sarah Connor with the Anachronistic Flaw.

Why would you make it so rigid?

>Have you considered the alternative Courts?
These are incredibly dependent on whether the ST wants them to be there, and one of the Directional Courts is not likely to accept a person who's not Asian. Day and Night are mostly going to be treated like a Mafia, run by the Russians.
The Seasonal Courts, though, are likely to be the most accepting, and the ones that aren't used only by Storyteller fiat.

>>6064865

Alternative... hum.

>>6064934
Dude, she's like eight years o-- wait, I forgot where I was.

Defining Anachronism:
1. chronological mistake: something from a different period of time, e.g. a modern idea or invention wrongly placed in a historical setting in fiction or drama


2. something from different historical period: a person, thing, idea, or custom that seems to belong to a different time in history

>>6064751

>>Marisa as Autumn - A hard one, but maids are overlooked. Like the Tricoteuse of the French Terror, Marisa stands, looking and drinking despair, while creating small scenarios of fear.

>>Like the Tricoteuse of the French Terror

Now I want to play a Autumn Tricoteuse.

>>6064939
>You see it as only something for living in the early 20th century.

Maybe because THAT'S WHAT THE FLAW ACTUALLY IS.

>>6064999
THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING YOU MORON.
You only see what's written. Would you disallow someone to take that Flaw if they weren't from that time period?

>>6065015
"You're from 1997? Well gee, that's not so different from right now. No need to take the flaw. There were cars, phones, and computers in '97."

>>6064934
Yea where can I get more of the OP?

>>6065032

OP here. I would allow it. Being closer to the current time just means that the anachronism will play less often. That means, the bonus xp rarely would happen.

Done.

>>6065032
What is this eye pod you speak of?
My word! Why is that gas so expensive!
A black man? In the WHITEHOUSE? Preposterous!

What do you still need, OP? How are things looking?

oh wait it's the fifth result when i google french maid.jpg...

>>6065065

Fine, thank you. Just picking Court.

>>6065032
The phones were huge, the internet slow.
Oh, and the New York skyline looked a little different.

>>6065050
Is your guy from '97 also queen shittingly British?

Put another point in athletics up. Theres no way that a fencer maid wouldnt be more fit than that. You can probably scrap some larceny for it.

How limited do you think your skill specializations have to be? While it makes sense that shes good at moving through darkness... it probably makes a lot more sense if she's specialized in moving around undetected when cleaning, or when inside, or when inside dirty rooms, or when inside clean rooms. Something a little odd and faelike. It would make a nice little touch I think, and be alot more unique than 'in darkness'

>>6065050
>What is this eye pod you speak of?
"Oh, right, I guess they're like those Walkmans..."

>My word! Why is that gas so expensive!
"
>What is this eye pod you speak of?
"Oh, right, I guess they're like those Walkmans..."

>My word! Why is that gas so expensive!
"Gas price has always been going up. Unsurprising."

>A black man? In the WHITEHOUSE? Preposterous!
"Knew it would happen some day."

>>6065076
How's about you put your updated sheet up?

>>6065094

I try not to fool around with specializations. Stepping too much from the books is a nice way to anger them, in my experience.

>>6065077
>Is your guy from '97 also queen shittingly British?
Everyone from '97 was queen shittingly British. Anyone who says otherwise clearly wasnt there.

>>6065103

http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/2894

>>6065126

Oh, and sorry. I tought it was updating, but it is saving as a new sheet.

Looking good bro. I'd of gone with contracts of animation myself, but this seems pretty tight. Just gotta court this bitch up.

Nice little program. I've been looking for something like this, thanks op.

Swap out resource dot for weapon dodge. Your character is a maid and I can see her as a sort of live in housekeeper rather than anyone with a place and funds of their own.

>>6065208

The only good thing about Abel's ST: the faggot requires us to use this database and print from there.

>>6065101
Yeah, because everyone who saw a Walkman in 1997 wouldn't be surprised at an iPod.

People from 2009 are surprised when they see Walkmen.
Again, just because the technology was similar doesn't make it less anachronistic. Would it help if we pushed it back to the 80s?
Hell, things being similar makes the divide even wider.

>>6065216
Abel is someone you know, I take it? Rather than some sort of internet websitething?

>>6065233

My other char, a Lucifuge Hunter with a old greasy gun and a mean hellcrow. Played in a cross-over chronicle where the faggotry of the ST was legendary. XP all around for Supernaturals, Wolfies could shrugg of lethal, Vampire Court in a Renaissance Fair, etc.

>>6065126
You still shouldn't have any skills above 3 in character creation, and should use attributes above 3 sparingly and only with a good reason.

Make your character more realistic. Take away some of the fighting style, get an Ally or Contacts to flesh her out and show how much she wants to be well liked. Heck, give her a retainer instead. Make it so that she's the Ally.
Don't take Forge that high either. Put some variety into your character instead of trying to make everything as powerful as you can. It's a much more enjoyable experience.

Take a point out or two out of weaponry and put it into Survival (Urban). You're already ludicrously and stereotypically overpowered for a domestic. You can kill someone by spending a point of Willpower on a Weaponry roll. There's no need for that and it doesn't fit what you've said about the character.

Take a point or two out of Crafts and spread it around somewhere, possibly Investigation. Only the dirtiest of places would require you to have more than 6 dice for cleaning, and having Crafts at that high means that you're a brilliant sculptor or carpenter or whatever else.

>>6065255
Able, if I may call you that.

Would you care to go to >>6057365

And read up on the little gaming experiment I'll be running with my usual group and Touhoufag? We have at least 1 more slot available, and we'd be honored if you could join. Go ahead and post if you're interested.

Better yet, IRC, irc.aniverse.com room #mage. We'd be happy to answer any more questions there.

>>6065327

Going like the wind.

>>6065294
Hey look, someone reasonable showed up.

Still doesn't save this thread.

>>6065355

Oh my god... going against Touhoufag. THIS will be legendary.

>>6065294
>>6065356
same faggot

>>6065387
You know, I'd want to beat him at his own game, but I have a feeling that half the things I tried would get vetoed by the ST.

Like playing a Changeling and getting an army of bums Pledged to me.
Or using the little trick I told "Abel" to use his Hypno crow for.
Or using Touhoufag's character's glaring weaknesses.
Or Creative Thaumaturgy in general.

>>6065126

You appear to have Empathy 3, when you had stated your intention to take Expression 3. Was this intentional?

>>6065472

No, error. Thanks for pointing it out.

>>6065472
Empathy is for faggots.

>>6065466
Good, nobody was inviting you anyways, Edward.

>>6065819
Think about it from another perspective.

It'd be like putting me and Touhou in a cage match to kill each other. We have vastly disparate idealologies, and we both thing that we could pull one over on the other side. It'd be a great battle.

>>6065847
Edward, you'd die like a bitch in the first three seconds of combat because you think anything over a 2 means you're playing a set of stats as opposed to a character.

>>6065847

I got to agree with that.

>Implying Edward is smart enough to put one over on Touhoufag.
>Implying he's anything but a liability.

>>6065885
Crafts is my combat skill.

Assume I posted a picture of Macgyver.

I am totaly stealing thischar

>>6066068

Go ahead.

>>6060294
Hey OP any chance of posting an updated character?

>>6064767
The internet was around in 97, it just got more important. Computer hardware is not substantially different.

Obama got elected, so what?

September 11th wasn't earth-shatteringly important. Sure, it defined politics for about five years, but that's an incredibly short time and a person could be brought up to speed on the world situation fairly quickly. (Mideast is still fucked, Gulf War 2 happened, big recession, -fin)

>>6066393
Quite honestly, I'd see being from 1997 as being part of a normal durance for a Changeling. One year or two or ten sounds about right, and really, creating one with a shorter durance doesn't really feel like it's a good fit with the tone of the game.

Thirty years or more is where things begin to get interesting, and things like Anachronism might begin to apply and even then, you'd ween yourself off of it in a matter of weeks or months. I'd set 50 years as being the minimum for Anachronism as a permanent flaw.

>>6066474
>I'd set 50 years as being the minimum for Anachronism as a permanent flaw.

Here, here.

Hey, quick question, this seems like sort of the thread to ask. Where does it say you can trade morality for XP at char creation? I've heard it mentioned a few times but can't find the specifics on it.

It's in the core book.

>>6067550
I've checked the corebook. Am I just blind? Can you give me a page ref?

>>6067596
It's not Morality. Changeling calls it Clarity.

And you can drop a Clarity point for three XP, I believe.

>>6067800
3 XP? Perfect. Thanks man. I'd like to be able to back that up with page ref though, if possible.

>>6062893
>>WoD is supposed to be handled realistically,

Ahahaha, no.

That's ST's realm. Armory: Reloaded goes over this a lot in it's beginning chapter and in it's "Combat Hacks" section.

WoD can be grim, gritty and realistic. Or it can be about your Hunter backflipping into a room, Berettas in hand and gunning people down like it's Black Motherfucking Lagoon.

>>6067816
Page 75.

I guess it's 5 Xp.

>>6067866
Thanks a ton man, your a real bro.

>>6067920
no prob :P

>>6066255

http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/2894

>>6060294
That costume is ASKING for trouble

>>6070111

You may notice, this was adjusted after some faggotry by the ST. He was okay with everything, until now. One must wonder...

>>6070111

I would a maid need that much Investigation?

>>6070297

WHAT THE FUCK? It was you people that suggested Investigation to find dust spots!

>>6070337
>>6070297
You know, there's a good lesson in this.

Stop listening to other people when they bitch about your character sheet.

>>6070404

Damn straight, either build up your opinion like suggestions or I'll overlook them.

>>6070438

That said, anyone has still problems with the ex and again fencer, dedicated cleaner in a mansion full of nasty and valuable things, that must use pickpocket, stealth and lockpicking for a living, lite Wizened to have 4 dots in Dexterity?

Hey, is Able awake?

>>6070506
No. And fuck 'em if they do.

Wanton Wicked is bad. Bad bad bad! Did you know...no vampires over 50 years of age there? No Changelings over 50 years in Arcadia?

bump

The thread's almost at autosage.

Rather than bump, it's nearly time to make a new thread.

Which reminds me, are we going to get another Touhoufag houserules thread today? Because I'm really digging the rules, and the amount of bawwing about them just makes my day all the sweeter.

Still havent decided on a court, I see. I seriously would recomend Dawn. Especially if she wants to play the maid in the larger picture. Cleaning up the freehold of corruption and things like that.

Have you given any thought into potential future frailties? I always enjoy sprinkling some hint of my frailties around at low wyrd. Sort of like, they're still there, but the human half is able to overcome them with a bit of concentration.

Whats with the kevlar vest? How are you justifying that?

>>6070506
Yes

>>6072589
Touhoufag's house rules are terrible, most of them don't even work with the game itself. It changes it terribly.

I'll stop thinking them shitty when he makes rules for Hunter's Endowment creation, but after seeing how he thinks Anachronism should be so mechanics heavy when it's a fluff thing... I don't have hope. He's turning the game into something far to mechanical when it isn't meant for that.

>>6072667
My point exactly.

>>6072747
Am I not allowed to bawww over bad rules like any other bad rules on 4chan?

>>6072753
I am sorry, but a man is not entitled to the tears of his own baw.

>>6072790
Well played.

>>6072811
Well played...or poorly played?

>>6072620

Only the four "official" courts can be picked.

Sorry, was at work all this time and was without connection. Lab 15 have been without connection this past month. I'll be in Lab 18 now, so I will be online.

>>6072949

By official I mean seasonal.

New thread is here:

>>6073156

>>6072949
Seriously dude, whats up with the kevlar?

>>6073687

I was bored. I hate empty space in sheets. It was that or dunno, chain mail.

What? Maid Outfit wouldnt work? You don't really have the dots to afford that armor, bro.