Contract Employer: Kingdom of Morocco

Objective: Destroy the search radar and SAM systems protecting Monrovia
Secondary Objective: Destroy the Liberian Command and Control Bunker (6.319363, -10.799958)
Secondary Objective: Destroy or cripple the new Coastal Patrol Boat in the harbour (6.351166, -10.795957)

Background: All that work you've done for the French Government seems to have paid off. The Moroccans have figured out where the Crown Prince has been taken, and they're aiming to get him back, and it looks like they're itching for a fight. The French have directed their attention to your Squadron, and must have said some pretty good things about you, since the Moroccans were insistent that you lead the mission. We've held off engaging Liberia over their lack of payment on our missions, but we don't forget a debt. You've been assigned to help us collect payment, by any means necessary, it just so happens that the Moroccan goals and our own coincide at the present time.

And to think I was going to go to bed.

*braces for awesome*

The plan is to forcefully take the capital city of Monrovia, through a dedicated air campaign followed by a ground assault. During these operations, we expect the UN to begin removing refugees, we will not hinder this process in any way. The French government has been planning this for a while, and has graciously offered it's support in the matter. They will be providing some shock troops, but their primary addition to this team is the bulk carrier you helped rescue in Mogadishu. They've done a quick re-fit over the past month and a half, removing her command tower and placing a flight deck on top. She is now a fully fledged aircraft carrier, and you will be deploying from her deck. The French have assured us that they can handle any aircraft designed for naval operations, and looking over your Roster most of you already have that capability.

Fuck more?

>Kingdom of Morocco

Uh-oh...

>The Moroccans have figured out where the Crown Prince has been taken


LIBERIAN PAYBACK BITCHES.

YES!

You'll be working as full fledged members of the Moroccan Naval Air Force Auxiliary, to satisfy international law requirements, but command authority will remain with Blackflag. Phase one in our opening salvo is a quick strike to knock out what defences the Liberians have. Priority number one is suppression of enemy air defence in and around Monrovia. If time and circumstances permit, we will begin strikes against Monrovia's anti-shipping and command and control capability. This will not be an illegal or undercover operation, it will be a war done with full international legality and attention, so vary your tactics accordingly.

HUMINT: None
ELINT: Standard military encrypted traffic saw marked increase after declaration of war.
SATINT: See attached file
Air Assets: Air Force disbanded, but UN Mi-24s may be forcefully pressed into service.
Surface Assets: SA-6, SA-2 systems, recent purchase of mobile SA-8 batteries. Coastal Patrol Boat is something of a misnomer, as it appears to be a Jianghu-I class frigate. It represents a significant threat if operational.

Threat Assessment: Moderate. While Liberian equipment is not top grade, their training programs have produced competent professional soldiers. Furthermore, they are all on the alert following Morroco's declaration of war this morning, so there will be no surprise attack.

ROE: DO NOT FIRE on UN aircraft operating in Liberia, visual confirmation required prior to aerial engagement. Ground targets at preset coordinates are weapons free. Other ground targets ROE is Do not fire upon unless fired upon first.

>>10755838
God damn do I love the balls of the flight deck crew. Two guys in front of a an engine, and the guy in the center, straddling the launcher, in front one of the larger planes in the navy. Directing the pilot to TEST HIS DAMN WINGS.

At any time, these guys can die. They have to rush to get everything done, because pilots in the air are depending on them to clear the decks enough for them to land, while others are waiting to take off.

Props to the Navy enlisted.

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>>10755920
Oh god yes!

>>10755920
What, are you saying that endless streams of 40k isn't interesting?

>>10755920

You are new here, and unwelcome. Please remove yourself.

FUCK YES!

Time to make the point: We get paid. We ALWAYS get paid.

Looking at the mission...

Lots of HARMs, at least one ata-loadout just to be sure and perhaps a Maverick or two for that patrol boat. And whatever you think to be feasible to bust that bunker.

Woah.

This is still going?

Might have missed a few. Has OP's crew been tried and hunted as horrifying war criminals yet?

More Planes and Mercs already? Hells yes! This day just got soooo much better.

Holy crap, Monorovia is part of a massive "Suburban" area circling a delta/wetland.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Monrovia&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=fi
refox-a&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nl


And that Frigate could definitely be a problem, got any anti-ship ordnance leftover from the Victoria debacle?

>>10755981
SEAD first. And only focus on one of the secondary targets. It's a toss up, that ship is bad news for aircraft, and the harbour location probably means that a sea-skimmer is out of the question. But the Bunker, well that sicks because the military is controlled from there, meaning later missiosn become harder if it isn't gone.

>>10755981
>We get paid. We ALWAYS get paid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEbE3fGfF-o

(Forgive me.)

>>10755993
Read the mog report.

Hmm, the good point here is that the two secondary targets are almost on top of each other. Less than 2 km apart. But you should really go for a bit of precision on those. The bunker is on Providence Island, right in the middle of the city and any miss is likely to land right in some poor civvie shmucks home. And right next to the boat, there'S a couple other ships on the other side of the pier.

Nice of the intel guys to warn us about the ship but COMPLETELY OMIT A COUNT ON SAM SITES.

>>10756047
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEbE3fGfF-o

Perfect.

>>10755999

Fucking Googlemaps.

Liberia! Not California!

Correct URL: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Wdt&rls=org.mozilla:e
n-US:official&q=Monrovia%2C%20Liberia&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

>>10755993
No. Well, except for the british staging a massive air raid on their base after they sunk that cruise liner. Ended up with the base being blown to cinders, but the evac was pretty succesful and the Royal Navy ended up losing a lot of Harriers.

After that, they worked for Russia a while. Now, they're bac to working with the French and just killed about 700 or so militiamen and civvies while raiding Mogadishu.

>>10756011
Come in from the water, put something into the boat fast and then try to go for as many hits on the SAM defenses as possible. On the way out, you can drop a PGM on the bunker. Well, that 'd be my plan at least.

>>10756102
I'd take out the SAM's, then waste the other two. Although the ship poses a more direct threat then the bunker.

So its an Iron Hand mission. Suppress AA and SAM sites with two very different types of secondary targets that each pose their own problems. Not to mention operation off of a makeshift carrier. You're moving up in the world OP.

Ok. First of all that Frigate could really pose a problem to your carrier as well as act as a major AAW platform in the harbor area. It really does need to be taken out...even if its not currently operational. Dedicate a single aircraft to dealing with it, hopefully using what weapons you have left from the last shipping mission.

That bunker is also important. Command and control is an obvious target. A single laser guided 2000lb bomb should do it unless its a spread out complex. Also there might be a danger of the prince being somewhere close by. Your choice as to how likely that is.

The air defenses are the primary targets though. The radar sites are the most important since I don't believe any of those missile types can be used without their ground based radar component. Not to mention all the possible AAA platforms out there. HARMs and some other weapon system for taking out light or medium targets.

Firstly, I am being spoiled rotten with all these threads.

Second, what is in the briefing isn't important, it's what's been left out. I re-read the last reports to be sure, and checked up on Liberia.

The CIA is involved with the Liberians somehow, they had pic relateds last time. Liberia has historically had close ties to the US.

>>10756203
>CIA
>US Relations

Oh shit.

checking out the area and saw this:

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=6.351166,+-10.795957&daddr=Provi
dence+Bridge,+Monrovia,+Liberia+to:James+Spriggs+Payne+Airfield,+Liberia&geocode=FT7
pYAAdS0Rb_w;FRFwYAAdUyxb_ymphtpOivcJDzEAuxjPG-u9vQ;&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=6.313934,-10.73
1926&sspn=0.118069,0.220757&ie=UTF8&ll=6.309839,-10.758362&spn=0.11807,0
.220757&t=h&z=12

I know the brief said that the airforce was non existent, but this is Steve.... and the Libyan airforce did have 100+ Mig-23s

>>10756203

The Liberians were on "our side" on that mission. We were helping them shoot their way out of the DRC.

>>10756229
>Libyan

>>10756249
What if the CIA was there to shoot you down so the Liberians didn't have to pay?

>>10756274
It was writefaggotry that made them CIA, don't forget that, not actual fact.

>>10756274
even if Op's flight was destroyed they would still have to pay blackflag

>>10756288
You're right. Those Avengers were unknowns in that mission, we never found out who owned them.

Ok, scrap the CIA part of my theory then.

>>10756297
Still a possiblty of the PMC from Georgia becoming involved with CIA backing

also "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spriggs_Payne_Airport"

"Spriggs-Payne primary activity consists UN helicopter and aircraft operations."

this will end well.

>>10756365
Yeah, the CIA tried to hire on the Aces to switch sides, the company would have a big chip on its shoulder about that.

1. At least one plane goes with a primary AAM loadout because there is going to be a curveball.
2. The frigate must die ASAP. You're likely to come in from the water anyway, so take that thing out immediately.
3. Somebody packing an ECM pod would be really handy for this. Also, LOTS of HARMs.
4. For the bunker, you really want a LGB or similar precision munition. You can take a big one, given that the thing is a few hundred meters away from any civilians structures.

Other than that, it's a basic Wild Weasel mission. Try not to start a war with the UN.

>>10756179
I see the Bunker as a tertiary objective. Your analysis is pretty sound, it makes more sense to eliminate the mobile asset now, and worry about the C3 later.

>>10756391

I'd like to think that was just a "Well, who knows, they might" thing because they had to understand that'd basically be suicide for the Merc Squadron, and won't really hold it against them.


But they will, people are petty.

Don't shoot these OP.

>>10756475
Unless they shoot first.

What are the AA capabilities of that Frigate?

>>10756179
>>10756413
Yeah, I'd take out the ship first, deal with the bunker later.

So op has two Carrier capable aircraft, rioght?

F-18 and F-4. Hugs can probably operate off the carrier. If they have a Ski-Jump I think the MKI could as well. Judge has an A-6, and that means only Scotch can't. Unless the Viggen has an arrestor hook.

I love these threads.

Ok, I'm out for a few hours, keep this alive guys, we need to make a war plan!

>>10756647
Nice! New one for the collection.

Actually, have the repairs to OP's planes been completed? As I recall, both the F-4 and the F-18 had suffered catastrophic damage to their radar systems.

>>10756682

Given the French have converted the Cargo ship they rescued two missions ago into a makeshift carrier, I think the Mercs have had time to fix a few planes.

>>10756506
Type 053H (Jianghu-I class): Anti-ship frigate, armed with 6 x SY-1 anti-ship missiles in 2 triple launch boxes, 2 x 100 mm gun, 4 x dual 37 mm AA guns, plus ASW mortars and depth charge (DC) racks.

Not really dangerous for our guys except when they fly low. But it'd be a real PITA later on and those ASMs have a range of ~150 kilometres. And our Q-ship carrier won't survive a 513kg shaped-charge warhead hitting it at Mach 0.8.

>>10756647
The heck IS that?

That A6 would be mince meat in a high threat SAM environment like this...even with the age alot of those systems sport i'd still suggest fast movers. The only thing I might use the A6 for is the bunker mission but only after the SAMs had been neutralized.

The frigate doesn't appear to have SAM capabilities but it does have a number of quick firing guns that serve as its AA defense. Of course it depends on what exact type it actually is. Still its a hardened radar and AA site that can also threaten your base of operations(the carrier).

Even if the brief says their airforce has been deactivated i'd warrant they have made every effort since that war declaration to get at least a few of them back into operation. They may be rusty but they're still a threat. I concur with the AAM platform idea but make sure whoever does go that route has something else to do if nothing comes up to play with him. A pair of anti radiation missiles wouldn't be remiss.

>>10756912
Specs for those anti-ship missiles:
Length: 6.55 metre
Diameter: 0.76 metre
Wingspan: 2.4 metre
Weight: 2,095 kg
Warhead: 513 kg shaped charge high explosive
Propulsion: One liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Speed: Mach 0.8
Range: 150 km
Cruising altitude: < 20 meters
Guidance: Inertial + active conical scanning terminal guidance radar (SY-1); or inertial + monopulse active radar (SY-1A)
Single-shot kill probability: 70%

Yeah, we definitely don't want that thing anywhere near our carrier.

>>10756937
Yikes, that's like a fucking semi packed full of explosives flying at you at nearly the speed of sound.

>>10756937
Yeah. Even if that things not active yet you want it dead. Get some extra intel just to make sure the things still in port and not already out to sea and searching for targets. I'd rate that higher in priority than the SAM targets honestly. Its they're only known offensive platform at the moment and its a good feeling knowing your floating landing strip is safe.

>>10757092
Yeah, belly flopping on the water in a jet would be a bad idea...

>>10756937
>Warhead: 513 kg shaped charge high explosive
>513 kg HE
A carrier might survive one of those. . .anything smaller is just toast.

Keep that fucker off your back, op. It could really ruin your day.

What's the going price for an up-to-date copy of Janes (or a handy dandy link to the inevitable pirated version)? My Big Blue Box o' Aviation is cold-war era, so not exactly current.
Have a SLAM for your troubles.

>>10757176
Up to date copy to buy? $100+ I believe. Online copies...i've not found any yet though I wouldn't mind it if someone else did and bothered to share it with us.

>>10757176

flying crowbar, fuck yeah

>>10757156
A true carrier might. The converted bulk carrier they're using...probably not.

>>10757176
Way too much, and I haven't been able to find a pirated copy yet...

>>10757309
Probably?

The Atlantic Conveyor got turned into a burnt-out hulk by a single Exocet. Between the HE, the burning rocket fuel and the sub-par damage control on merchant vessels, there's pretty much no chance to survive a hit by an ASM.

And the SY-1 is almost three times as big as an Exocet!

>>10757460
Yeah I know...little to no possibility of surviving something like that. But there's always a chance. That and those missiles are quite out of date. Should still be good for hitting what is probably an undefended carrier but who knows. Those frigates are sub par to begin with...unless its one of the newer versions which could end up being serious trouble.

>>10757516
So, time to load up on HARMs and Harpoons I guess

Hey OP, think using a Backfire with rotary launched cruise-missiles might be a workable anti-ship and anti-bunker option?

>>10757946
hmm yeah and a b2 could do it pretty well too. Doesn't mean OP could pick one up though.

I believe something was mentioned in a previous thread about converted merchant marine carriers. Ah, yes...
>No converted freighter carriers can survive in the South Atlantic.

Just don't go taking any missions south of the Equator OP.

>>10757946
That's a pretty workable anti-anything-that-isn't-moving-about-much option

>>10757946
A TU-22 and cruise missiles? Your accountant must hate you.

>>10758083
Yeah...I said that and I stick to it even though the brit one OP's group ran into wasn't sunk. If that frigate's taken out though the survivability skyrockets.

>>10758192
They took out a commercial ship that launched helicopters. Close enough, right?

>>10758625
Eh. True enough. If Loki(aka Steve) hadn't switched them on OPs flight they would have kept the tradition of sunk merchant carriers going.

>>10758625
Did they ever actually build any of those?

>>10758711
Nope. Far as I can tell from the very limited information available, the DR program proved that:
1) you can turn an F-16 in to a UCAV
3) it's pointless unless you upgrade the F-16 (i.e. E/F, not older A/B surplus)
2) it's so expensive to do so, that it becomes cheaper just to build a whole new UCAV in the first place

Anywho, both the Hornet and the Intruder can carry Harpoons and HARMs.
The Viggen (assuming it's salvagable and can operate of an improvised carrier) can carry RBO4E, RSB15 or AGM-65A missiles and the MKI can carry Kh-59 and Kh-35 ASMs, with a range of 285 km and 130 km respectively and the Kh-31 ARM, so plenty of options to take out that ship and those sam sites.

and I think the MKI

>>10759275
And I think the MKI can operate of a carrier with a little luck. Enough hardpoints and payload capacity to carry plenty of air-to-air as well.

bump for awesome

>>10757217
More than 800 dollars for the Blue Book these days.

Still worth it.

>>10759588
And no scans or anything available I guess?

Yes, I'm a horrible person, bite me, I'm also a poor student

>>10756935
That, is a flanker with thrust vectoring. Though the real life one (Dubbed Terminator) is a little nicer. It was probably inspired by Ace Combat.

AWESOME!
I LOVE CIVILIAN DEATHS AND COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
How long until your flight gets chemical warfare agents, op again? I liked those georgia missions 'cause you killed so many people so slowly ^_^

>>10759630
To my knowledge, the Terminator IRL is just a tech demonstrator/next gen project.

It was a pretty important plane in AC04 though. FUCKING ERUSEA

>>10759630
Now you know the power of the Su-30MKM

>carrier
>Su-30MKI

Grab a few 33s and apply PLOT ARMOR power.

>>10759764
GODFUCKINGDAMNIT!


Seriously though, nice pic

>During these operations, we expect the UN to begin removing refugees,
*GLEE*
>we will not hinder this process in any way.
*sad*

What would fantasy equivalents of the Hell's Black Aces' planes be? Like, is the aardvark a dragon?

>>10759843
Do you WANT the entire fucking UN on your ass?

http://vip.aersia.net/vip.swf

Music for this thread, just scroll up to the Ace Combat section, personally I'm going with Ace Combat Zero's - Zero.

>>10759881
Really, HBA would fit perfectly into Ace Combat mythos. Just look at the crazy shit they've done and compare it to some of the other ace pilots from the series.

>Secondary Objective: Destroy the Liberian Command and Control Bunker (6.319363, -10.799958)
I know your flight doesn't like doing secondary objectives, but you can probably get a lot of collateral damage by attacking this target. A C&C emplacement is bound to have many noncombattants working there.

Do the Black Aces have a nice squadron emblem?

bump

>>10759904
Collateral would be missing the C3 bunker with a 2000-pounder and hit the neighbouring hospital instead.

>ROE: DO NOT FIRE on UN aircraft operating in Liberia,
So the only kills we can make on UN aircraft are by having a Liberian aircraft malfunction and crash into them?
That's a tricky shot to make.
What range would the fireball from an exploding Mi-24 have? Maybe we can lead the Mi-24s to some UN ships and get them with secondary, but it's quite unlikely. :[

>Other ground targets ROE is Do not fire upon unless fired upon first.
We should at least be able to shoot down some planes over a populated area and get some kills from the falling debris.

>The bunker is on Providence Island, right in the middle of the city and any miss is likely to land right in some poor civvie shmucks home.
NAPALM! LOTS OF NAPALM!

>>10759904
Thing is that target should only take a single LGB, preferably a 2000 or 3000 pounder, to take out so it shouldn't be a huge hassle to actually complete that objective.

>>10760053
Is the neighbouring hospital even anywhere close? Bring the map up. There's no point loitering over the engagement area just for collateral; it would be at best a target of opportunity drop.

>C&C bunker on an island?

I think this calls for a Smart Bomb or two. Hundred. Thousand.

>>10759887
>Do you WANT the entire fucking UN on your ass?
No, I ... I ... *sniff* I guess not.
I just ... thought that ...
:'(
Well it's just that ... you have to go out sometime. It makes no sense to spend your whole life running from things. After all this "live to fight another day", you eventually have to fight!
What's the point of surviving 10, 20, 50, or even 1,000 engagements if you don't have any war crimes to show for it?!

But I see your point. A few UN aircraft aren't worth upsetting the entire UN. There'll be more opportunities for war crimes later. Bigger war crimes.
... I hope.
God, I hope I'm not throwing away my last opportunity for war crimes here.
Did you know that on every mission you're just one good missile hit away from death? Everything you've worked for could be gone in an instant.
...
And I ... I don't want ... I don't want to die without committing at least 1 war crime.
*tear*

>>10760060
0/10

>>10760148
tl;dr - HURR WAR CRIMES!

>>10760161
>>10760182
Trollmind?

Okay then, what's the current consensus on recommended bird/loadout?

Was it ever explained WHY the Liberian wanted to kidnap the Moroccan crown prince?

Still waiting for a mission to take out Chinese spy satellites or something

Problem, China?
>>Trollface.jpg

Planes and Mercs is go!

List of aircraft available first please. Its been over a month since the Mogadishu mission so all aircraft that were in repair should be available. Once we've got that we can talk about weapons loads.

>>10760264
Because they are the ultimate trolls.

>>10760047
They do, sorta. It's only in fan art form, and not very fancy. Just an ace of spades.

>>10759902

Except that Ace Combat is relatively realistic. I'm talking about a high fantasy equivalent mercenary air squadron.

>>10756475
You have to admit, that white paint job looks pretty sweet on that Hind.

>>10760290
>>10759275
>>10759306

But yeah, that depends on aircraft availability
Maybe OP can hire out his Phantom to one of his teammates if one of the others doesn't have a carrier capable bird?
OP's Phantom should be able to carry HARMs as well, and ofcourse a crapton of other AtG

>>10760313
That's pretty crappy.

These guys are worthy of the Belkan Air Force. They need a GOOD squad logo.

>>10760332
Have you ever read the Fantasy Ace Combat thread in the archives?

NONE of that shit was made up. Just slightly reworded versions of events that actually happen in the series.

Well since no one else is doing it i'll start it up and you guys can fill in the holes.

F/A-18(dual seat version)
F-4(2000)
Flanker
A-6 Intruder
Viggen

Any others?

bump

>>10760463
Did Hugs lose his SU-27?

>>10760463
More specific it's the F/A-18D and SU-30MKI, not sure about the exact version of the Intruder, probably A-6E though.

The Viggen lost a big part of it's wing last time though, not sure if it's combat ready. Also not sure about it's carrier capability (goes for the MKI as well, although canards and TVC might help somewhat and IIRC the SU-33 only needs a ramp, so if they can get a ramp fitted OPs group might be able to use the Flanker)

>>10760504
er...don't remember. Don't think so.

>>10760517
Sadly, the Su-33 won't be able to launch on a full load unless you have a catapult. So that thing might have to be your AtA platform for this mission, have it do orbits or run intercept with a bunch of BVRAAMs or something.

Good ones, not the kind of shitty drops-off-the-rail AIM-9s the Black Aces keep buying.

Your squadron is really getting into bed deep with the French. They've started to integrate you into their extraterritorial military strategy.

It sounds like you may be able to wheedle some favors out of them in the future, or find sanctuary if you ever need to get the hell out of dodge.

>>10760547
Yeah, and ARMs would most likely increase it's weight beyond carrier capability, agreed with making it the dedicated AtA bird

>>10760517
Also, forgot trip, derp

>>10760547
shouldn't be a problem. Some AAMs and a couple of anti radiation missiles for variety and the 33's good.

>>10760575
I'd love to see someone, for once, make use of the FlankerD's utterly obsolete uniqueness.

Strigon team already proved they can be utterly rape.

>>10760560
Our benefactors are getting friendly with the French government. This is not such a bad thing.

>>10760560
Ooh, access to Rafales :D

Dead sexy planes

>>10760375

Except that I'm not familiar with Ace Combat, which is why I'm asking about Hell's Black Aces, which I've read every thread of.

>>10760613

Frankly if I was a merc buying a warplane, and a carrier variant was available, I'd try to get that.

Never know when it could come in handy.


Then again, I'd get an F-5 cause I love them and its a cheap, reliable, modestly versatile aircraft. Only real weakness is range and maybe limited payload. But can't argue the price.

>>10760675
Definitely a great starter

Any thoughts on whether or not their GM might be CSIS? (Canadian Security Intelligence Services - basically, the Canadian CIA)

>>10760675
You buy the 33, slap some of them brand new 360-seeking AIMs on it, and then store it. You bring it with you everywhere you can. And then, the day that someone fucking surprise-attacks you on a god damned carrier, or you have to land at a tiny tiny fucking runway or something, you can pull this gorgeous piece of air-to-air rape out of fucking nowhere and watch everyone shit themselves in rage.

Yeah you can't really beat the price of those F5s. They've got speed and maneuverability but they've got gimpy range and not much in the way of a weapons load. Also they've got a horribly long take off distance. Still...a good little bird. I'd consider it.

>>10760723

Their head director was on CBC news giving an interview the other day too, and made some rather cryptic comments...

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/CSIS+director+blew+himself/3198178/story.html

>>10760723
Other people have speculated on that, yes.

>>10760547
With an angled deck you can do a full load takeoff in a 33, the Wiki is wrong to say you can't. You can't do a full load takeoff from the midpoint startposition, but a full deck run on a 33 can get airborne.

I've actually been considering a Kfir as a decently cheap light multi-role. What say you? Aside from the fact that its Israeli?

>>10760634

Maybe if you end up catching too much heat in Africa, you guys could lay low at an airbase in French Guiana flying missions in a different environment.

>>10760705

>>10760763
With full tanks as well? Or do you need AAR at some time after take off?

>>10760794
Full Combat load, it's rare that any plane can get off the deck with full tanks and weapons. Even the US can't really do it for the a/g birds.

>>10760794
Would a drop tank count as part of "full load weight"? Because then you could take one (or two) and pack on the AMRAAMs.

Or take one and a jammer pod and pull a bait-and-switch...but that's an idea for another mission.

>>10760773

If Blackflag could negotiate for an airbase in French Guiana, you guys could try and break into the Equadorian/Columbian/Venesualan market.

>>10760852
Hello drug wars

>>10760929
I can hear the drug lords shitting themselves over the prospect of mercenaries in military jets coming after them with the FFL.

>>10760852
The US would probably take offense since they've got that whole "western hemisphere is our back yard" shtick.

>>10760941

The only downside to this plan is that moving into the western hemisphere is sort of encroaching on the CIA's domain, and you know they have their eyes on you.

The question is if they think you're going to be more useful to them as a tool, best ignored, or as an enemy to be taken out.

I can very easily see the end of your squadron coming not in an epic battle, but from a cruise missile strike in the dead of night.

>>10760991
Yeah, that would bite
And you just know they'd force you to do some real nasty and dangerous shit if you end up working for them...

>>10760991
This.

Better to stick to Africa and Asia.

Were there any other aircraft that we'd forgotten or was that it?

>>10760772

Kfir is based on the Mirage 3000 isn't it?

Are there two flankers in the group now? A 27 and a 33?

>>10761071
>Africa and Asia

Hell's Black Aces. The demons of the Dark Continent.

>>10761181
Mirage 5 I believe. France denied them the planes they'd bought so Israeli made their own version.

>>10761183
That is assuming Hugs didn't sell his 27 to be able to afford the 30MKI

>>10761206
Goddamn browser fucking up

>>10761206
Wait. Didn't he lose the Sukhoi to ground fire? Or was that the Mig29 that Judge had?

>>10761291
I think you're right yeah...

Yeah in Ardent Gardener Hugs lost his flanker to SAM fire. So the 27's gone and he bought a 30MKI to replace it? So does that mean Judge still has a Mig 29 or what?

Picture of Providence Island. The command bunker is the white buiulding at the right-side edge of the island. The waterway is a river going right through the city and the docks, including that frigate, are about 3 kilometres farther north.

@OP: Make sure to ask wether the French or Morrocans know anything more about the numbers and positions of those SAM launchers.

>>10761409
Yeah, I think he still has the Fulcrum

+6° 21' 4.33", -10° 47' 45.96"
Is that the frigate?

>>10761444
Looking at Goggle Maps: Holy fuck, that's almost directly next to Liberias Ministry of Defence and their National Bank. And if any of these two bridges get hit, you're all but cutting the city in half. The next river-crossing is literally miles farther inland.

>>10761446
So he has the A6 and lost the SU25 in Poseidon Deception. So...

Baron - F4(2000), F/A-18D
Hugs - SU-30MKI
Judge - Mig-29?, A-6E Intruder
Scotch - Mig-23, Viggen

That right guys and gals?

>>10761511
Minimal civilian casualties is a given, but will anyone really care much if we knock out the bridge? It's fucking Liberia. And we are officially at WAR with those shitheads now.

>>10761508
Yes, it is.

>>10761530
Not a target yet and the ROE is pretty restrictive at the moment.

We really need a big fucking static map of the city. Can someone make a screenshot-collage of Google Maps so we can draw shit on it?

>>10761530
>>10761511
>>10761444
this. OP, I'd SERIOUSLY consider taking out one of those bridges. It would prove to be a MAJOR blow to enemy infrastructure and logistics.

Not ot rain on your parade: There's a second bridge jsut a few hundred meters to the west.

>>10761603
bah. spoilsport.

Assuming my list is correct and OP's flight doesn't like the idea of sharing aircraft around between them here's how i see them doing it.

Baron - Either of his aircraft will work in this case since they're both carrier ready and capable of performing Iron Hand missions. Load up on HARMs as well as a pair of AIM9s if possible. Add drop tanks as necessary.

Hugs - Two ways he can go about this. He can play the air superiority role he always does with maybe a pair of anti radiation missiles as well...or...he can go Iron Hand with a pair of anti shipping missiles possibly. I know he specialized in ACM but the number of targets on this one might necessitate his inclusion in the ground attack element.

Judge - I know I said no Intruder but of his two aircraft his is the best suited to this mission. A pair of laser guided 2000lb bombs and a pair of harpoons should be good. If the ship's in port and not moving a 2000 pounder down the stack should take care of it. If its moving the harpoons. The other LGB is for the bunker. Judge only comes in once the SAMs radar is down.

Scotch - If the Viggen will work on the carrier he loads up on HARMs or similar and goes to town. If it doesn't he picks up some sort of carrier aircraft and does the same.

>>10761840
>pick up some sort of
Su-33

If not now, it will come in incredibly handy SOME DAY.

Too bad Judge doesn't have a Naval Fulcrum.

Any idea when you'll be running this game OP? How long will we be waiting for an AAR?

>>10762310
It's like somebody decided Pugachev's Cobra wasn't TOTALLY RIDICULOUS enough.

See if you can't get your hands on some AGM-122 Sidearms or something similar. They're lighter than the big HARMs and you can carry more of them. Granted they're not as long ranged or capable but you're gonna be dealing with a lot of radar site most likely.

Not sure when we are playing again, maybe tomorrow.

>>10762814
Thrust vectoring is fun ain't it? Planes can do backflips and all kinds a nifty stuff.

>>10763285
I look forward to it!

>>10763285
Can't wait. Always fun to see what kind of loadouts you guys choose and what kind of curve balls Steve throws your way.

>>10763376
wtf is going on in this one

>>10764106
Points the nose straight up, rolls sideways then does a short dive so that it's facing the other direction. The aerial equivalent of hanging a U-turn only it takes up FAR less space. Planes without thrust vectoring would have to bank over a greater distance.

>>10756936
Stick with internal cannon for just-in-case AtA needs on this mission.

Also, see if you can fly at least one or two planes overland from Morocco, with the intent of landing on the carrier. If you come at Monrovia from two sides at the same time, you'll confuse the hell out of the Liberian defenses.

>>10764561

Long distance strike limits how much ordinance you'll be carrying. But still, not a bad idea.

>>10764826
Remember, they can request tanker support.

>>10764826
To make it more crazy, have the planes off the carrier continue north towards Morocco.

What is the range of SA-6 and SA-2 respectively?

SHIT, missed another planning thread!

>>10760836

The combination of steam catapults and stupidly fast nuclear-powered aircraft carriers makes up for a lot, but the sheer amount of 'splodes a/g ships can sling is even stupider.

But they're stuck on some fat-assed waddling converted cargo ship with that damn silly ski jump, and I'll bet hard cash Steve has accounted for payload restrictions; AND they're going on a primarily SEAD/Wild Weasel mission. Shit is not cool. Though the carrier launch might allow them to fly fuel light; I doubt it, since the French will want a nice safety zone between them and that frigates ASW missiles.

On the plus side; they don't *have* to sling lots of heavy bombs for this trip; HARMS are highly effective, comparatively light, and a lot safer- albeit expensive. A few Mk84 with LGB kits for bunkers and hardened targets, and Rockeyes, rocket pods and Mavericks. And they should have a pair of Harpoons between them.

Still, they're going to be ords-light for their mission role. OP will want his F-4; I don't remember comparative payload capacity off the top of my head; but it takes damage better and has longer legs.

>>10764932

>they still use SA-2s

I'm not laughing about the Gainfuls and the Geckos, though. The SA-6s are pretty capable at low and medium altitudes; so they're going to be a credible threat; even accounting for their age. On the other hand, if they pack up and move, it takes some time to go from "road" mode to "firing" mode.

The Geckos have the radar unit and missile launcher all in one package; meaning they can fire and move in time to dodge incoming HARMS. (I think.) Which means you have to ferret the little fuckers out with Mavericks, which is no fun at all.

>google HARM to find out what it stands for

>During the Gulf War, the HARM was involved in a friendly fire incident when the pilot of an F-4G Wild Weasel escorting a B-52 bomber mistook the latter's tail gun radar for an Iraqi AAA site. The pilot launched the missile and then saw that the target was the B-52, which was hit. It survived with shrapnel damage to the tail.
>The B-52 was subsequently renamed "In HARM’s Way".[5]

looooool

>>10766375
Yeah I lol'd when I read that too.

It seems I missed the brainstorm session while I was at work.

I'm the anon that suggested the Backfire plan, but, after thinking, I have a better idea.

After reading the mission briefing, I think a change in tactics is in order. That being, multiple sorties. First off, I think a long range strike on the frigate and C&C bunker is in order with long-range TV guided ASMs, and, if it possible to rig it, Kh-15 ALCMs from the MKI. Then, land, rearm for SEAD, and take off, tank, and go to town.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/01/29/DynCorp-to-support-Liberian-armed-forc
es/UPI-90511264792596/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DynCorp_International

I would say that some kind of air threat is a going to be in the area for sure now. Steve can't pass that up.

>>10766773
>>10766664 here

I think that just makes my plan that much more attractive. Instead of one sortie with mixed gear, op's flight can maximise their anti-AAA and AtA when they actually get into the city, but still blow the fuck out of the bunker and frigate.

Also, would a TV-guided ASM be able to destroy a bunker if other long range standoff weapons can't be found?

>>10766664
Steve is a crafty motherfucker, it can't be that simple.

>>10766820

I'm not saying that the SEAD part of the mission would be easy, but without knowing where every battery is, I can't exactly make a detailed plan, now can I?

>>10766664
The problem with any radar guided cruise missile is that you will not hit that ship in the port, too many ships, too close together. The missile won't distinguish between them. Which means a visual attack. Which means getting inside the SA-2 engagement envelope, and suffering from AA fire from the ship.

Now that I think about it, I understand why that ship is a tough shot.

Now the bunker would be easier, you could GPS program a missile to hit it. If said missile could penetrate is another question.

As to the carrier, don't underestimate a ski jump. Most people see it as a low tech idea, when in fact it has numerous advantages over a catapult system.

>>10766924

I meant for the ALCMs to engage the bunker. The ship could be hit by TV-guided ASMs, like Sandman did that Danish frigate before.

>>10766924

Is there some kind of GPS guided ASM? I recall later models of the Exocet might be able to be programed with GPS.

Or could OP's flight force its AA radar on and hit the ship with Anti Radiation Missiles. Killing the radar would go a long way to crippling the ship.

>>10766996 here

If op were to go with this, the first sortie could be Hugs with 3 Kh-59M2s for the bunker, each being 200km ranged ALCMs with terminal TV guidance, but I'm not too sure on what long-range TV guided munitions would be available to the rest of the flight.

If op is willing to go apeshit and spend 720k a missile, he could try using a SLAM-ER on either target, but I don't know if he'd be able to get one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAM-ER

>>10767156
All the missiles mentioned for use against the bunker so far have no chance of penetrating it.

I think we're focusing way too much on the bunker/ship. Take out the air defenses first. If you fail to do that, it will only get worse the next time you fly in.

If we're talking about getting a damn visual on that frigate, OP's group may as well just plant an Mk-84 on her nose and be done with it. On the cheap, no less.

>>10767432

The idea is that op takes out the ship/bunker BVR, that way, op doesn't have to carry non-SEAD ordnance when he actually goes to kill the AAA.

>>10765123
Laugh if you want, but the SA-2 is pretty damn scary. It may be old, but it doesn't have to hit you to knock you down, just hit somewhere near your aircraft.

Flying telephone pole with a solid rocket motor, stuffed to the brim with explosives.

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>>10767461
Short of a nuke, you aren't taking out a reinforced bunker with a cruise missile.

>>10767486

Not event this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raduga_Kh-15

Keep in mind, while we may laugh at the SA-2, you can have radar sites all over the place broadcasting, figuring out which one is controlling the missile is the hard part. And then you have to hope your HARM gets there first. And then you have to have fired within HARM range (which is inside SA-2 range)

So the only way to get close is to come in low.

Which means popping up for those SA-6 batteries, as well as the SA-8s.

The more I think about it, the more this multilayered air defense thing sucks.

Not to mention old fashioned bullets and ZSUs.

>>10767486
That's why you send in more than one.

>>10767527
Nope. Can't Bunker bust, no penetration power (well, some, but not enough)

You need these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28

>>10767463

A 700 lb fragmentation warhead is never anything to laugh off; but the age of the system makes it especially susceptible to ECM, jamming, and the like. And the missile is exceptionally unmaneuverable, though the whole 700 POUND WARHEAD helps with that.

What really cripples it is that it's a stationary site, giving you a moderate chance of locating them with SATINT or recon flights beforehand.

HERE'S an idea for OP again: ever consider buying some cheap recon drones? There should be some Vietnam-era crap kicking around you could use; paired with modern communications tech, it wouldn't have to survive to deliver low-level photo-recon; and if it draws out SAM fire, the locations of fixed batteries will be known to you. Or you could send it over shortly before the strike package, to bait out the Guidelines AND the Gainfuls. Get them transmitting and let them have the HARMs.

>>10767557
Hitting a hardened bunker (underground especially) with more than one cruise missile is just wasting more than one cruise missile. You need penetration power, Short of a Grand Slam, or the more advanced Pipe Penetrators, you aren't killing a bunker with any air launched weapon.

>>10767608
The real danger with an SA-2 is that a smart commander will keep the radar off until the aircraft are over head, then pull the camo netting and blast those suckers off. A HARM is actually slower than an SA-2, so chances are the big telephone pole will kill the plane before the plane kills the guidance.

>>10767735
And the SA-2 guidance jamming thing is a holdover from Vietnam, they fixed it in the latest version, and then decided to add a home on jam system into the missile, so if you try to jam it, it just homes in on you with greater accuracy.

The most terrifying thing about the SA-2 is that it's still effective 40+ years after it was developed, and that it's progeny, the S-400, is a psychotic wildcat of a missile, with a Mach 12 (not a typo) speed and an engagement envelope of 250 miles.

>>10767815

>The most terrifying thing about the SA-2 is that it's still effective 40+ years after it was developed

Though not so surprising; look at the lifetime of the Sidewinder. A capable airframe paired with the latest, greatest avionics will always be dangerous.

Of course, I doubt the SA-2s the flight will be facing will be anywhere near "new." Unless you're saying Vietnam-era SA-2 systems are still quite dangerous, in which case I know even less about modern SAM systems then I thought.

>S-400

>Mach 12 (not a typo) speed

Oh yeah, that thing... uh... pic related.

>>10767735

>The real danger with an SA-2 is that a smart commander will keep the radar off until the aircraft are over head, then pull the camo netting and blast those suckers off. A HARM is actually slower than an SA-2, so chances are the big telephone pole will kill the plane before the plane kills the guidance.

Hell, SA-2 operators INVENTED radar-peek-a-boo. There's still Vietnamese and Russian vets sitting on porches, pipes clamped firmly in their teeth, who will sass you out all day about how THEY invented those techniques and DON'T YOU FERGET IT.

SA-2

You don't have to hit the airplane, just get the missile in the general vicinity.

Do we know if OP's group can get sat intel beforehand to try and identify SA-2 sites beforehand? Maybe instead of BVR-ing the bunker, they could use Kh-59s and other ridiculously ranged ordnance to kill at least the easily-spotted stuff...

>>10768423

SEE THIS IS WHY THEY NEED RECON DRONES

Additionally, as far as I know, Morocco operates no BVR ground attack ordnance, can anyone confirm? Perhaps by using BVR strikes on Sa-2 sites, op's group can map out the rest of the SAM sites before they go in...

>>10769112

Fighter pilots will never, ever admit the need for drones if AFblues is to be believed.

>>10769362

In that case I say they modify the drone with a jumpseat and offer to let them fly it.

Goddamn pilots.

Good morning /tg/

So, still a severe lack of intel, huh?

>>10769545

t'would seem so. We were discussing ways to remedy that.

>>10769545

A SR-71 would be gold dust right now....

>>10769817
Or a U-2...

>>10769910

Sa-2s SHOOT DOWN U-2s, remember?

>>10770044
Point...

Derp


But yeah, get some Predators for recon maybe?

>>10770185
Or one of these, since they're working for the French:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAGEM_Sperwer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EADS_Harfang

bump for planes

Some good ideas folks. I say we deal with the C&C bunker at a later date and just target the frigate and the air defenses. The bunker ain't going no where like the frigate can and its already a secondary target anyway. Leave it for when you can drop a 3000lb bomb down its air shaft without having to worry about SAMs galore.

>>10770936
Jup, I agree

wtf I remember this thread topic from months ago

Its upto 29!?!?!?

Hmmm...

>>10767735

The SA-2, like other SAM sites like it, need a minimum altitude to work though. 500(0)? feet above ground level will render them useless. However, Triple-A is effective then....

If you have access to French assets, see if you can borrow / get them to fly an E-3 to operate off at standby distance.

In the meantime, subcontract a ground operation to Sandline or Executive Outcomes to seize an airfield, or build one nearby the engagement zone.

Also, have subcontracted ground teams try to seize radar sites and SAM sites if possible. Radars more important, but taking control of SAM sites would enable BlackFlag Int to control the airspace. If those are too well defended, take triple-A sites. It will allow you to fly low.

As for the frigate...Exocets are a necessity. The frigate is probably armed with high tech SAMs, but likely lacks a modern air defense gun. This means that is essential to have a French E-3 to help (I presume you guys use F-4s?) stay in standoff distance, instead of having to illuminate with the radar. Exocets themselves have onboard radar, and if the French are supplying them, they'll be the latest (hopefully). However, Chinese Silkworm missiles will make a good stand in the French are nervous about outfitting BlackFlag with advanced Exocets.

This being Liberia's best ship, its likely to be the C&C too. Taking it out would render Liberia nearly helpless.

However, as said earlier, Liberia has very strong US ties. Therefore, don't piss people in Washington off too much. Liberia is American at heart.

>>10771557

You REALLY should read the threads... op's group is probably gonna be flying an F/A-18, Su-30MKI, Viggen, and a Skyraider or a Fulcrum.

>>10771557

>The frigate is probably armed with high tech SAMs, but likely lacks a modern air defense gun.
053H (Jianghu-I)
Displacement - 1,425 tons (empty), 1,702 tons (full load)
Length - 103.2 m
Beam - 10.8 m
Draft - 3.05 m
Propulsion - 2 shaft, 2 x 12E390VA diesel engines (8,0000 hp each), 4 x SEMT Pielstick 16PA6V280BTC diesel generators, license-built by Shaanxi Diesel Engine Works.
Speed - 26 knots
Complement - 190
RADAR, Sonar, & EW:
Type 354 Radar (Eye Shield) 2D air/surface search
Type 352 Radar (Square Tie)
G/H-band radar for SSM and 100 mm gun targeting
EH-5 hull-mounted MF sonar
Jug Pair intercept ECM/EW system
ZKJ-3 combat data system (with reported speed of 1 Mbit/s) in some units
Data link: HN-900 (Chinese equivalent of Link 11A/B, to be upgraded)
Communication: SNTI-240 SATCOM
Armaments:
6 x SY-1 SSM's in 2 x triple box launchers
2 x 100 mm gun
4 x dual 37 mm AA guns
2 x Type 81 (RBU-1200) 5-tube ASW RL (30 rockets), or 2 x Type 3200 6-tube ASW RL (36 rockets)
2 x Type 62 5-tube A/S mortar launchers
2 x Dept Charge (DC) racks & DC projector


Lucky for Op's flight its not that much of a anti air threat.

However it will royally rape the refitted bulk carrier they are operating from.

>>10770936
Hit the city with incendiaries. If the entire place is burning, IR-seekers presumably become a bit less useful. Or at the very least, any mobile SAM emplacements have to get up and go to avoid the flames.

>>10772757
Warcrimes & countless civilian casualties?

I don't think the Moroccans (or the Americans for that matter) would be very happy about that...

Hang about. Anti-ship warfare? Staying under radar? Carrier launched? Cheap?

IT'S BUCCANEER-O-CLOCK

Plus, they excel at low level work, typical cruising altitudes of 10-20 metres. The AJ 168 Martel should deal with the Frigate. The Sea Eagle might have target discrimination problems, though you could always sneak someone forward on-the-deck to find the Frigate, then program the missile en-route.

>>10772895
Plus it's a sexy bird :)

>>10772895
Plenty of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Btdi8qNutw

>>10772895
>>Cruising altitude of 10-20 meters.
>>10-20 meters.
>>3-6 floors

Is it's primary mode of attack giving everyone it flies over ruptured eardrums? Jesus Christ.

>>10772893
"Look, just because we napalmed a suspected enemy position and the resulting fires destroyed half of Monrovia doesn't mean we MEANT to do that! If anything, it's the fault of the Liberians for putting their defenses in amongst the civilians!"

>>10772934
It's British, therefore it's awesome

Is this ruleset up on /rs/?
Does it use miniatures?

>>10773078
Air War C21: Contemporary Air Combat rules

http://www.mediafire.com/?nmm3zigmylj

Air War C21 Data Annex: Contemporary Air Combat Equipment Supplement

http://www.mediafire.com/?h2mnzyu555m

Also check the wiki link and forum for more info

>>10772934
The Buccaneer's primary method of attack: causing the target to shit themselves voluminously.
>>10773033
>It's British, therefore it's awesome
And simultaneously very silly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4vkBWLmnZA
Bananas bananas!

OP Will have AWACS, they don't need to request an E3.

I say, definitely load one guy up for the ship, use tanker support to knock the sucker out with whatever Air-launched ASM works best. After that, use rest of the team, including guy who now lacks the weight of that ASM to go SEAD.

SEADing is terribly dangerous of course.

Either ignore the bunker or make it a top priority target, because anything you carry on a plane big enough to bust it will be ball-and-chains around your ankles if you try to SEAD.

Here's a question

Who are the mercs going to install as President after the mission is accomplished.

There will be many claimants to the Liberian Presidency...who will BlackFlag work for? Obviously, all the candidates will have money.

I smell Planes and Mercs XXX

>>10773777

Sounds like a kinky porn title.

Is this what they look like?

What if Liberian No-Dong launchers are found?

bump

>>10774383
Libya != Liberia.

>>10768394
WHY ARE THESE MISSILES SO FUCKING HUGE?!

Wake up to find this thread still in operation. Its gonna be a good day.

>>10775973
Russia traditionally had lower accuracy guidance systems then the US during the cold war. Instead of improve them, they improved the blast radius of their weaponry, which they knew how to do and was cheaper. They did the same things with ICBMs, putting multiple impact vehicles on a single missile, ensuring the target they wanted hit could be hit, thanks to area saturation.

The SA-2 is huge because it followed the Russian principle of SImplify and Add more Explosives.

Bump against 404

Okay, time to see what I missed...

>>10779866
Lots of talk about what targets should take priority, what kinds of weapons should be used on what targets, SAMs, and pretty much everything mission related. Some pretty good stuff.

>>10780005
Yeah, I still say take out the ship as you head in and then take out the SAM and AA sites. The bunker is a tertiary target as far as I'm concerned.

bump for awesome

The Scrubbrush that frigate carries has a range of 150km. I wonder if Black Flag could call in a favour from the French, and nab a SCALP EG/MdCN (might be able to swing the MdCN for a reduced cost as a 'combat trial'), and take out the Frigate from 250km away without adding anything to their aircraft loadout. It won't be cheap, but it frees them up to load out purely for a Wild Weasel mission, with one or two bunker busters for a shot at that C&C bunker. If they can take out both secondary targets, that could pay for the added expense of a SSM.

>>10780488
MMMmm, Vigilante!

>>10781948
Sexy beast indeed. I'm amazed those things even made it off the carrier decks.

>>10783145
Some of them didn't, and had no ejection seats. Not popular with crews.

I have to ask why everyone but me seems to think op's flight is only going to be able to make ONE sortie, period...

Why not use TV-guided ALCMs and ASMs against identified SAMs and the frigate FIRST, land on the carrier, rearm with HARMs, and THEN go into town for the fun part.

>>10787763
Probably because they've been tasked to take out the SAMs first, and are being paid to do that.

And landing, re-arming will take so much time you lose the initiative.

>>10787802
I don't see what initiative there is to lose, considering that the Moroccan's are assaulting a city, with fixed defenses, and op's flight will lose, at most, IMO, 12-14 hours with a BVR first strike, followed by regular SEAD.

>>10787854
Without the SEAD the BVR cruise strike mission is likely to fail.

>>10787979

Oh? I was unaware of an of the SAM/AAA currently listed as known enemy materiel possessed the ability to shoot down missiles. If they do, that is indeed a problem.

>>10788054
Missiles coming in over a flat surface like the Ocean, yeah, most air defense platforms can take them on, especially an SA-2, which as has been mentioned, doesn't need to be super close, just in the general area.

>>10788093

What if they were directed overland for the final part of the flight?

>>10788134
Too demanding for TV guided, you'd have to bring em in higher, and on a roundabout course, you'd limit your launch platform range and still expose the missiles.

>>10788225

Of course, this is assuming that the Air Defense units around Monrovia can actually identify and shoot down missiles in flight, but, according to the intel op has, they just might be able to.

>>10788274
They're probably blowing seagulls out of the air, hell, anything that flies is at risk.

>>10788291

You know, I have to wonder, do you think specops teams are already in/around Monrovia? If they are, perhaps laser guidance isn't out of the question...

>>10788343
If there are they're probably more worried about getting the prince back than helping OPs flight

>>10788898

The two are not mutually exclusive. Assuming op's flight is simply there because the Moroccan Air Force either lacks the capacity/training to do SEAD missione, they need him to clear the capital's air defenses so they can provide CAS and airborne support. Unless the Moroccans KNOW op's flight was the one who helped the Liberians in the first place, and is ordering them to their deaths.

>>10789036
I suppose its worth asking about but I wouldn't count on help from specops on this one.

Hit the frigate first thing from BVR and come roaring in over its burning hulk to take on the SAM defenses. It'd look good and probably scare the shit outta people but I don't wanna think about how many missiles they'd have to face down after something like that.

Bring plenty of ECM and Chaf along with those HARMS. You're gonna need it.

>>10789589

Knowing Steve, probably on the order of 20+ launch systems and radar sites. I still think a massed long-range BVR strike is a good opener, if only to see HOW good the missile crews are.

>>10789669
I can just see the money pouring out of their wallets for this one.

>>10789669
The Smart ones won't light them up until wave 2.

Yeah, this is definitely gonna be a tricky mission.
I wonder how OP's flight will deal with it...

Ow well, with a little luck we'll find out soon enough

>>10793149
Echoing this.

Also I'm dying to know what plane OP is after with his bucket of money.

>>10793780
>>Also I'm dying to know what plane OP is after with his bucket of money.

Same here.
First guess is still the Super Bug, but maybe he's got enough for a(nother) 4.5th gen fighter?

Rafale perhaps? Or Typhoon?

>>10793949

Gripen NG/IN?

Would be different. Also awesome. If I was a playing a PC in a planes and merc campaign a MiG-35 or JAS-39NG would be my must have planes seeing as a F-22 would be way to far out of even the most successful mercs reach.

>>10794039
Agreed on the Raptor.

But isn't the NG still in development? As in, there's only a working demo plane at the moment.

Guess it depens on how far in the future OP's campaign is...

>>10794414
I've always guessed 2014ish

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In memory of all our lost merc bros.

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>>10793949
SUDDENLY, YF-23 PAV-2 OUT OF NOWHERE.

(Yes, I know that's PAV-1, there aren't as many decent photos of PAV-2)

>>10795262
Mmh, a not combat-capable prototype, no matter how sexy, is not something I'd like to fly on the kind of missions OP's group perform ;)

bamp for epic

>>10795328
Actually considered suggesting an F117 for OP since they're decent at precision strike raids, are retired, etc...but they're expensive cobbled together junk piles.

>>10796682
He would be better off spending the money on something newer. The Growler would be a better choice than the F-117. (and it pains me to say that. i hate super bugs)

>>10796682
Not to mention the severe lack of payload.

>>10797069
Goddamn browser -,-

>>10797069
>>10796873
Eh...I would have considered it after i'd gotten my primary aircraft to the point I wanted it at. Its the only stealth aircraft OP's likely to be able to get his hands on plus its retired making it even easier. Pick one up for precision strike missions that can be done at night and use it for nothing but those missions.

>>10797116
When you put it like that, it might be worth it, even if it'll be ridiculously expensive.
But probably still damn hard to get your hands on and expensive to keep it running.

>>10797235
Yes certainly a spendy bird. Wiki has their base price listed as 42 million. Considering upgrades and then age, retirement, airframe stress, bribes it should still be just about that much.

They were also problematic to take care of but not impossible for a merc group. I'd probably double or triple the normal maintenance cost of a standard aircraft. Of course considering my typical choices of aircraft I probably would have the money required to buy and maintain one for those occasional missions I could use it for.

The F-117 can be defeated by an SA-6 battery.

You'd also have to spend shit-tons on intelligence for each mission you wished to fly it. Stealthy, but fly too close to a radar site and they'll still pick you up.

>>10797424
No shit sherlock...we've all read about that one. Doesn't mean every SA2 battery commander is gonna be expecting a Nighthawk...especially way the fuck out in Africa.

>>10797437
True enough but it just might be worth it for some missions. Still the cost could be very prohibitive.

>>10797424
Yeah. If the battery commander is a fucking artist and the F-117 is doing something as spectacularily stupid as using the same flightpath several times in a row.

>>10797630
Yeah, that was a real shame

>>10798096
US commanders got complacent and that battery commander was amazing with what he had.