>Why was the chapter founded?
Strategic Prognostication
>When was the chapter founded?
33rd Millenium
>Chapter Progenitor
Blood Angels
>Gene-Stock Purity
Flawed
>Chapter Flaws
Pride in the Colors
>Characteristic Modifiers
+5 Strength, +5 Perception

>Figure of Legend
Chief Librarian
>Deeds of Legend
Chief Librarian lost in the Warp

>Number of Worlds
2
>Homeworld Type
Hive and Unihabited
>Homeworld Terrain
Ocean (hive world, Maresia) and Temperate (unihabited swampy death world, Noxyssus)
>Homeworld Relationship
Stewardship

>Codex Organization
Divergent
>Combat Doctrine
Close Combat
>Solo Mode Ability
Pick 2 skills, rank 1 reroll failed tests. Rank 4, add 10 to them. Rank 8, add degree of success.
>Squad Attack
Tactical Finesse
>Squad Defense
Knowledge is Power
>Special Equipment
Beastial Companion (Alligator-Piranha sea monster)
>Belief
Death Cult
>Current Status
Over Strength
>Chapter Ally
Imperial Guard (Maresia Sea-Guard)
>Chapter Enemy
some Chaos Space Marines warband/legion
>Chapter Name
Abyssal Jaws
>Battle Cry
"THE JAWS OF ABYSS SHALL CLAIM ALL ENEMIES OF MAN!"
>Advance Table
Behold Our Wrath

We got a lot of shit done last thread:

>FLUFF
>DRAWFAGGOTRY
>MORE CANNIBALISM DISCUSSION (hopefully got that sorted out)
>NEW CHAPTER HERALDRY PROPOSALS
>CHARACTERS
>ORGANISATION
>OTHER THINGS I FORGET

So we're well on our way now!

I've started writing up the fluff part of the chapters 1d4chan page. How does this sound thus far?
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The Abyssal Jaws chapter came into existence during the 33rd Millennium as part of an unknown founding between the fourth and (allegedly) the eighth. The chapter was founded due to the discovery of a fragment of the ancient text known as “The Call of Cth-” by a lone Administratum clerk. After studying the text, the High Lords were informed of the existence of a bizarre, eldritch creature that lurked beneath the waves of the ocean. Repulsed by this knowledge, the High Lords gave the order that geneseed from the Blood Angels should be stockpiled for the foundation of a new chapter to combat this threat. Rumour has it that sometime before the chapter was formed, their geneseed was altered in an attempt to eradicate the Black Rage and Red Thirst, the two genetic curses that plague their parent chapter. Whether or not this act ever succeeded or if it even occurred, the new chapter would soon develop their own curse. And finally, at the height of the 33rd Millennium, the Abyssal Angels were founded.

The last thread finally died? Huh.

>>14790124

It felt The Call of the Deep.

rolled 89 = 89

Abbysal Jaw guarding a Sister of the Eternal Gate.

>>14790095

Sounds pretty good to me if someone wants to edit it into the page.

>>14790271

Done!

Here's some of the fluff that some anon wrote just before the thread apparantly died.

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If the idea of a dreadnought chapter master doesn't float your boat, maybe this will.

Abyssal Jaws Chapter Master Balthazar is considered an oddity among Adeptus Astartes Chapter Masters for several reasons. The first is his adamant refusal to do any of the paperwork typically required of his office, such as providing documents detailing his campaigns, organizing tithes to the high lords, or even appointing captains. Instead this work is handled by a senior official in the Imperial Guard. Balaton takes pains to ensure going on campaign with the human several times to be sure of his trustworthiness. Beyond that, there is no criteria for having the position.

Inquisitor Yiyandra of the Ordo Herteticus investigated the Chapter Masters odd situation. Her official report on the matter is blank, save for a single quote from Balthazar. "I've got better things to do than paperwork." To this day the inquisitor will not speak more on the subject.

(continued)

>>14790337

Another notable feature of the Chapter Master is how eagerly he goes to war, with or without troops. While other Chapter Masters occasionally know periods of rest, Balthazar continually wages war. He has been known to petition captains for troops whenever he is on campaign, as his honor guard stands as the sole unit truly under command. If a captain will not personally pledge his troops, Balthazar will ask individual sargents to join his adventures, a call that is never denied, no matter how much it irks his captains. The fruits of his successes however, are more than enough to quiet his critics. When no troops are within a reasonable distance for him to command, Balthazar will ask to lead Imperial Guard regiments on deployments, an event that is considered to be a great honor among Guard leaders. While few other Chapter Master would even consider replacing their loyal marines with guardsmen, Balthazar maintains that "They're not any worse than a space marine, just smaller."

>>14790347

For the past one hundred years, Balthazar has always been seen chewing a tentacle in his mouth in the same manner a normal man might chew a cigar.

The tentacle itself is extremely unusual. It is a sickly shade of green, with various brown spots all along it's body. It extends about .3 meters long, and has been known to spontaneously put itself alight. Oddly enough, nothing can put out this flame. No water can douse it, no movement can disrupt it. It has even been known to stay aflame in the void of space. The flame will however, go out just as suddenly as it began, with no explanation. It seems that no matter how long Balthazar has chewed the tentacle, it stays intact.

Some say that it is a trophy of a demon that Balthazar slew, and tried to eat, only to find that it would never come apart, and he has yet to give up eating it. Others claim that it is a relic of the chapter, and that it grants Balthazar superhuman abilities. A few in rival Space Marine chapters, like the Sons of Malice, claim that it is a mutation, and that Balthazar is touched by the dark powers. All that is known, is that, when asked, Balthazar will refuse to answer, preferring the mystery around him.

Oh and there were some stats as well:
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Working rules
Chapter Master Balthazar
Pts 265
Ws 6 Bs 5 St 4 T 4 W 5 I 6 A 4 LD 10 Sv +2/+4

And They Shall know no fear, Combat Tactics, Chapter Tactics, Tentacle of Balthazar, Spear of the Deep, Wrist Harpoon, Artificer Armor,, Friend of the Guard.

Chapter Tactics
Any unit in an army lead by Balthazar that has the Combat tactics special rule exchanges it for the ability to treat any amount of water as normal terrain, and gets Furious Charge. This includes Balthazar. In addition, any model without a close combat weapon may buy one for 1 point
Tentacle of Balthazar.
This twitching tentacle is of great use to Balthazar in battle. Once per game, it may release a thick cloud of....something. Balthazar and the unit he is with increase their cover save by +2 and may move an extra 6 inches in their movement phase. This flaming and flailing tentacle also acts as a digital weapon for Balthazar.
Spear of the Deep
This Relic Blade is a long spear with what appears to be three claws at the end. Upon being used in combat, however, the claws writhe and snap at everything around them. This Relic Blade has rending.
Wrist Harpoon
Str 7 Ap 4 acts as Magna Harpoon in all other respects.
Friend of the Guard
Balthazar may be taken as an HQ choice by an Imperial Guard army.

>>14790337
>organizing tithes to the high lords

Space Marine Homeworlds dont pay tithes to the Imperium. Only the 5% of their gene-seed, and that goes to the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Previous thread suggested that the MK III "Iron Armor" would be the preferable choice of armor for the Jaws due to the fact that they go on constant environments of both space and sea. Personally, I think we should go for it, unless someone finds a reason not to.

>>14790529

Well, the most important thing is that it looks totally badass. Second, MKIII armour would be very practical for the chapter to use.
-being a precursor to Terminator armour, it provides much greater protection than average
-the chapter maintains very limited amounts of actual Terminator armour, and would have to use this as a natural replacement
- the downside of the armour (that it is too heavy for normal combat) is negated because the chapter focuses on space and underwater combat
-the increased weight helps to keep the wearer submerged
-the increased armour also helps combat the pressure of extreme depth
-though most of the armour is forward mounted, its not like they'll be turning their backs on living enemies
-being less advanced than more modern armour, it is easier to produce; very important considered the chapters somewhat limited production capacity and large numbers
-it looks totally badass

And remember, this does not mean that the chapter relies completely on MKIII armour, it's just the hefty majority.

Fuck yeah, Iron Armour!

Cool, I remember the first thread about these guys.

How about a special character famed for being bigger than the average marine and having metal replacements for his teeth after taking a heavy bolter round to the face?

>>14790761

ahaha, Space Jaws.

>>14790719

MOAR!

Lets start taking down general information to keep as a framework for the chapter. Fights in space and sea, aquatic theme. Uses mass amounts of new production iron armor. Is that a tech world deal, or do they locally manufacture the stuff? They use a lot of breacher drills (see the drill in the rites of battle deathwatch suppliment) is the armor themed like the salamanders, or just brutal and effective? Can we safely rule out things they dont do or use? Im gonna go with...anything flame based. Probably will use a lot of spears, drills and bolters. Hook hand bionics? or is that overkill on the aquatic motif? What do they look like under their power armor. Im kind of imagining a grizzled, semi insane Gordan's fisherman. We totally have to get some sort of write faggotry about their third lung being able to filter oxygen from water.

>>14791066
No plasma, either. Shit wouldn't work underwater.

MORS AB MARE

"Death from the seas."

>>14791066

I can picture them (and a lot of the art of them thus far) has the armour modified for a more aquatic theme (see I AM GIANT FISH pauldron). The chapter also tends to take trophies from their enemies and don't remove the blood stains from their power armour (they consider the splatters to be trophies as well.

As for their weapons and stuff, you're probably right about flame throwers. Meltas might still be used though. As for hook hands, that might be going a bit far, but the chapter does use chain-hooks. And, like I said in the previous thread:

>You are now picturing two Abyssal Jaw marines shoving their hooks into some poor bastard and then playing tug-of-war until they split in half.

>And it is awesome.

As for how they appear underneath the armour? I'm honestly not sure. Outside of all the carnage, the marines tend to be really fucking friendly, especially to non-marines. There has been a picture of a helmetless marine with facepaint going around since one of the first threads (see picture). I picture them looking... Well, as a Blood Angel successor, perty. We decided last thread that they'd be Space Brazillians, so there is a lot of variety in how the marines look racially/skin tonne-wise.

>>14791164

Or "WE FEED!"

We never did agree on which we liked best. Personally, I think the chapter should just use them both.

not mythos related but... Battle Barge "Mobius Dickus", extra large and white.

Submarine drop pods?

>>14791223

How to translate "WE FEED!" inbto High Gothic again?

Essemus? Sucks. But I think it's wrong. (am way rusty and too stoned to look it up online)

>>14790719
That pic made of JAWSOME.

Here is the new chapter symbol colorized and with added blood for minimal goatse.

BTW this thread hasn't been archived yet and seeing as I'm a newfag in need of slumber someone els needs to take care of the situation.

And just in case someone want's it here is the link to the 1d4chan page http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Abyssal_Jaws

ok, so no plasma, no fire, maybe meltas. definatly breacher drills and spears. fish/ devouering/ the depths of the deep, themed mk3 armor. I was thinking about what they would eat/ fight most commonly. So many chapters are always batteling orks, and tau, and tyranids or chaos. Who deals with the common rebels and anarchists of the imperium. Im sure they still fight and kill others, but hey. awesome. Ok concept for their forge facility, their guardsmen would move around their warzones afterwards like little remoras taking all the scrap and salvage for transport back to the fortress monestary to be melted down or repaird. So not only is the enemies body consumed but so is their gear.

Cool. Although this is the second space marine chapter by /tg/ with a shark and lovecraft theme, though. Deep Ones from the Tiji Sector, although this chapter seems way more in depth.

Underwater assault marine.

>>14791468

When a marine suffers from The Call of the Deep, nobody knows what happens to them. Perhaps they're waging an eternal war against the horrifying servants of the Old One, or perhaps they wander the ocean floor to this very day, searching for a frontline which never existed.

>>14791464
Hmm, I'm reading about the Deep Ones right now. Seems they are a really offensively minded chapter where as the Abyssal Jaws have a large chunk of their fighting power dedicated to keep everyone away from the mad Slann in the depths of Maresia seas. So not that much overlapping.

Plus the Deep Ones don't sound like they are bro with anyone anywhere.

>>14791571

Yeah, you can't go more bro then an AJ. A draw fag needs to draw an AJ fist bumping a Guardsman or something.

>>14791682
OKAY.
I'LL TRY ONE QUICK BEFORE BED.
BECAUSE I LOVE THIS, /tg/ AND DRILLS.

> this hetenso
YES CAPTCHA, THIS MAKES ME TENSE TOO.

>>14791682
Here is an idea for the armor of the Maresia Sea-Guard. (Reposting for sixth thread)

>>14791745

Last thread I suggest that the Maresian SeaGuard specialise in wars similar to the Pacific Front from WWII. Lots of island hopping, defending beaches until reinforcements and supplies arrive, then moving on to the next island. What do people think?

>>14790371

Upon rereading this, I realized I had also made a few typos.

The harpoon is 18' assault 1. Since I didn't have the BA codex with me when I wrote it (or now) the harpoon works as a magna harpoon but for infantry, until we can write better rules

>>14791985

Also, not sure if I want to take his fifth wound away and give him eternal warrior instead. Thoughts?

AJs are all Bro with everyone, does anyone haet dem? Aside from being really cool with their population, do they intermingle to the degree of the salamanders? IE: hey, im your living great, great grandpa, eat your flesh or you wont get any veggies. "yay grandpa!" oh man. totally awesome family scene with a genuinely happy AJ with his grandchildren and their grandchildren. assuming his wife and kids are long gone but in a photo in a frame by the table or something. Inspired draw fags...get to work. gotta be really tender.

>>14792112

This is pretty much the AJ, yes. Although I think the cannibalism aspect is only part of the Chapter itself, rather then the people of Maresia.

>>14791559

Ok, that is just awesome.

I still want to see a crossover between these guys and the other /tg/ chapters that are being worked on.

>>14792129
This
and the Fictional Nacionality i believe it's brazillian

>>14791682
I HOPE THIS IS BRO ENOUGH, GOT A LITTLE RUSHED ON THE END.

>>14792208
FUCK
YEAH
JAWSOME

>>14792208

Jesus christ this is glorious.

Going by last thread, we know the Jaws hold their Black Priests (Librarian-Chaplains) in such high regard that they more or less run the chapter. In particular, it is they that advise the chapter master and captains which battles they should take part in. This would probably result in the IG High Command despising them, even though they are so loved by the field troops.
In addition, chapters that believe in purity and whatnot would likely refuse to fight along side them. I'd say most Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, and Dark Angel descendants would hold them in contempt. The White Scars and Raven Guard would probably just ignore them. While they would hardly approve of the extend to which the Jaws practice cannibalism, the Space Wolves and Salamanders would consider them bros (like that one guy who is weird as shit but is great fun to play 40k with and comes up with the best DnD campaigns ever!). The Blood Angels would treat them like a mildly retarded cousin that can still function in society but which they don't like to think or talk about. Believe it or not, I could totally see the Iron Hands successors (though not the Hands themselves) getting along quite well with them since they take the Forge so seriously (in thread 6 we decided that the Forge is almost its own entity within the chapter, providing the crews for all the vehicles and serving as Devastator Squads under the Techmarines).

>>14792266
The Sisters of Battle would hate their guts (except for those Gate ones, they're cool) because of their practices. The Inquisition would 'frown upon' much of what they become, but would tolerate it since they had the chapter established in the first place and since the Jaws still appear to be loyal. It also doesn't hurt that the chapter does not directly deal with chaos related artifacts, and merely secures the location until the Inquisition can deal with it.
In fact, we should have one of the =][='s most important vaults hidden in the chapter's fortress. That would give them an excuse to constantly 'check up on' them, too. The Sea Guard should be considered almost like Stormtroopers, since they undergo many of the same trials and trainings the Jaws go through, but lack the geneseed and power armor. It would allow them to pick and choose their fights so they can stay with the Jaws while still looking like an official unit (the High Lords don't like it when chapters fight along side the IG on a permanent basis; just look at Huron).

>>14792208

UNDERWATER FIST BUMP FUCK YEAH

I also just noticed the "BRO" sound effect there.

>>14792208
>mein visage

>>14792269
>>14792266

This sounds pretty plausible to me.

>that one guy who is weird as shit but is great fun to play 40k with and comes up with the best DnD campaigns ever!

Ha ha, so true!

This chapter is JAWSOME!

>>14792284
>>14792280
>>14792247
>>14792213
YOUR BRO-TASTIC WORDS LEAVE ME WITH THE WARMEST OF FEELINGS.
I THANK YOU BROTHERS. AND I THANK THOSE WHO DEVOTE THEMSELVES TO THIS PROJECT.
FAREWELL.

>>14792366

>>14792299

Yeah, dittoing this. That pretty much sums up everything.

So yeah, for their chapter enemy were we going with Word Bearers, the Scourged, Relictors or making something up or what?

>>14792448
Relictors as far as we know it

Chapter enemy must be the grox of farming planets. ohm nom nom. seriously though, i dont know if its a good idea to eat chaos tainted meat.

I'm pretty sure in the Tau fluff some Kroot ate a bunch of chaos cultists or something and it mutated and took control of them.

>>14792657
I seem to recall that the ethereals had them put to death for fear of that happening, not that it actually progressed so far that it truly happened.

And besides, the Jawesome metabolism of this chapter allows them to purge the taint and piss it out.

>>14792596

Well, if we are going with:
>>14792269
>we should have one of the =][='s most important vaults hidden in the chapter's fortress.

Then we should definitely have the Relictors be the baddies. We can even say they used to fight along side each other, back when they were loyalists; which is why they know the secret vault is there.

>>14792679
Brilliant! Except that it only works on physical poisons, not warp-stuff. Unless... that is part of their mutation?

No, that would be silly. It would imply that they naturally "distill" warp energy by purging it from their bodies. Eventually, someone would say that chaos sorcerers try to capture them in order to "milk" the purified warp juices from their [insert the fancy name for the thing that lets them spit acid]. And you know where that would lead too...

>>14792743

...The Abyssal Udders?

So yeah, put this bit:
>>14790095
Up on the wiki thus far. Just brainstorm ideas and so on.

I'm thinking this. After their foundation, the Abyssal Angels are sent on their way as a fleet-based chapter. Since the oceans of Terra are long gone, the chapter is charged with searching oceanic worlds for any sign of this "Cth" character. They travel around for an unknown amount of time (probably for a few millenia) when news arrives that something rotten has been discovered on the planet Maresia. The chapter investigates, finds something close enough to what they've been searching for and sets up shop there.

How does all this sound thus far? I'm also really not sure when the chapter would start to develop its unique organisation.

>>14791452

Flamer is just superheated steam/water. It would totally work.

"Boil, don't burn"

We need to get some drawfaggotry for Baltasar the Black Sage. Or any of the Black Priests, for that matter.

Remember that they wear similar vestments to librarians (scholarly gubbins, psychic hood, force harpoon), but have completely black armour. Their helm is in the shape of a skull, like a Chaplain (either white or silver).

Ave Imparator,
We Feed

Bumping for Balthazar

>>14793096
>wear similar vestments to librarians (scholarly gubbins, psychic hood, force harpoon)
>to librarians (scholarly gubbins, psychic hood, force harpoon)
>scholarly gubbins, psychic hood, force harpoon
>force harpoon

I CAME.

>>14793096

Balthazar is the Chapter Master, not a Black Sage. But yes, drawfag is needed

Speaking of which, I feel he is rather overcosted. I suggest cutting 30 pts, and the 5th wound, and instead giving him Eternal Warrior, and an 12' aura that grants fearless and preferred enemy to the unit, and maybe grants everything the army his 10 ld, but that we probably be OP in a guard army

Bump von bump

>>14792702

Sounds cool to me! Just a few factoids I looked up:
1. Between the two chapters, the AJ are older (M33 to M36).
2. Both chapters have had name changes during their history (Abyssal Angels became Abyssal Jaws and Fire Claws became Relictors)
3. They both do shit that the Inquistion frowns on (but the Relictors actually got excommunicate for it)

bump before bed.

>>14793583

Personally, I like the idea of nobody knowing exactly what the Jaws are guarding, or who they are guarding it from specifically. I mean, sure, some cultists are going to try and grab it, but, if we don't truly know who they are or what they want, it feels so much more Lovecraftian

>>14793518

It seems there was a misconception down near the end of thread 6. Baltasar (the Portuguese spelling of Balthazar) was the name chosen for the Chief Librarian-Chaplain to replace the place holder name of "Bob." Somehow there was some confusion between his naming and the first bits of fluff for the chapter master. If you look, you'll find the phrase, "Baltasar the Vigilant, First of the Black Priests, Keeper of the Dark Tomes, Lord of the Deep Waters, Banger of Hot Bitches." Note that "Banger of Hot Bitches was likely supposed to be a joke, and a poor one at that.

This little exchange came exactly one post before we started working on the chapter master. Look to posts:
14766003 (Well, it looks like we've got our figure of legend fluffed out. How about the chapter's current chapter master?) and 14766221 (make him a dreadnaught. The future Lord Baltasar passed through his tutelage). The second post listed being a rejected concept for the unnamed chapter master.

>>14795460
It seems no one managed to catch the first incorrect use of the name, here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14728603/#14781200

So, we have to decide whether we keep the Dark Sage named "Baltasar the Vigilant," which someone suggested we have get blinded in a battle for the ironic lulz, or give the name to the Chapter Master officially, as Balthazar.

What will it be, my fellow eloquen/tg/entleman?

>>14795515
I say that we keep Baltasar the Vigilant as the Figure of Legen and give the chapter master a new name. I like Gustavo, lots of machismo
and it seems to fit his "all ways waring al the time"-style.

>>14795649

>>14792269
>>14792266
Good stuff. I especially dig your thoughts on the Sea-Guards. If we combine this with the ideas from >>14791830 would make the Sea-Guard some really bad ass troopers.

bumping

>>14795649

Gustavo sounds like a good name.

Bumparumpa

bump

And another thread gets a bump!

So, are we going with Gusatvo for the Chapter Master?

>>14801122
Gustavo
and it's a kickass name
i aprove

So, what is life like for the chapter outside of battle? Any thoughts on the subject?

>>14801467
Well considerating they're Bro with everyone, i would think they would live with a family

>>14801490
>>14801467
What about hunting? Seems to me that we agreed on the fact that there are some Lovecraftian beasties in the deeps of Maresia seas. Killing them makes sure that the kelp-farming and fishing operate without problems and it's a way for the battle-brothers guarding Maresia to blow of some steam during calmer times.

BTW Thinking about writing a bit about the diffrent =][= factions, their attitude to the JAs and plots that they are brewing. Y/N?

>>14801729
Y
that would be cool

>>14801729

Yeah, sounds like an awesome idea.

Just had a thought. How would their tanks work?

You can't drive a tank underwater, and you sail a boat above land.

Land Raiders are mentioned in the fluff to be amphibious , but a chapter all transported by Raiders would be stupid. Maybe put propellers on the back of all vehicles so they could go under water.

+15 points to all vehicles. This vehicle is may now go underwater. In addition, all models attacking it at the rear in close combat take a str4 ap- hit each

>>14801810

Honestly? The chapter probably just doesn't use that many vehicles.

The chapter would probably just use rhinos and landraiders; vehicles they can use to get their troops into close combat. Another reason why the chapter wouldn't have that diverse a range of vehicles is because they have (if memory serves) to import most of their equipment from the Adeptus Mechanicus because they cannot produce it themselves.

>>14792112

This post makes me think of Cardassian households from Star Trek. Entire generations of a family living within the same house. Perhaps the Chapter is very family orientated? During the time they aren't in active service, they spend it hanging around with the great-great-great grandkids, go drinking with their friends or go fishing or something.

bumping

>>14801729
Okay here goes. I have the radical's handbook with me so I'll start of with the big three of radicalism and see what you guys think.

Istvaanians
View of the Abyssal Jaws: The Isvaanians in [SECTOR REDACTED] hold the Abyssal Jaws and the people of Maresia in high regard. For their society embodies the principle of "strenght through trail" with it's elevation of cometativness and willingness to root out weakness. The high caliber of the Abyssal Jaws and Sea-Guard is an often used example by Istvaanians that their methods hold true.

Long term goals on Maresia: The majority of the warmongers see Maresia as a glowing beacon of trials and tribulations, an inspiration as they work to bring cataclysms and ruination on on other softbellyed worlds of [SECTOR REDACTED]. However a splinter group of Istvaanians mainly from Ordo Malleus and Hereticus see that unleashing a great elder beats would indeed be a direly needed steel-bath for [SECTOR REDACTED].

Curent activity on Maresia: The powerful Inquisitor Thargrym Odarsan spearheads an effort by "mainline" Istvaanians for ward the Abyssal Jaws from undue inquisitorial attentions. Assassinations and dire threats elswhere are the primary tools of these shadowy guardians The splinter group hunts the grimy deeps of Hive Vísceras for knowledge that will root ones soul. The fact that the infiltrat-clones sent to the Old One-cults return marred with mutations of eldrish pattern and horrid promise mealy drives the conspirators on.

Recongergators and Xanthistes coming sooing to a Abyssal Jaws thread near you!

Bump from the Deep

>>14802864

Well that was bad timing on my part.

Anyway:

>>14802858

Just read through this and I'm really liking it. Keep up the good work.

ok confused on story- with all their mk3 armor i thought it was locally produced. next, combat doctrine- ready for this shit? Amphibious vehicles, sealed to operate underwater. Possibly skimmer bikes like the ravenguard. Heresy i know, but we are already there, plus it would be really cool for them to completly lack certain technology, but have specific things that make them even older, like instead of a reliance on drop pods they exclusively use teleporting, heavy use of old, old technology. The only thing keeping them from being outright viewed as heretical is the close tie to the inquisition and their bro attitude. Family life FTW son. Oh. new idea. they have a titan. just one. "the beast of the deep." its just a really old warhound that got dumped into the sea when a long forgotten admech ship blew up in low orbit well before the chapter was ever established. it has a giant drill fist. its very briney, barnacely and heavily styalized to the chapters flavor.

>>14802858
WOW looks like I herped a derp when I should have proofread the text.

>"strenght through trail" with it's elevation of competitiveness

>cataclysms and ruination on other softbellyed worlds

>effort by "mainline" Istvaanians to ward the Abyssal Jaws from undue inquisitorial attentions

>>14802926
This motherfucker needs special rules.

She shall be called Davy Jones

>>14803121

I'm loving "Davy Jones" as the name for it.

>>14803121
>>14803130

Honestly that strikes me more as a "Kraken" or various other sea creature. Davy Jones strikes me more as a name of a character.

Recongergators

View of the Abyssal Jaws:The Recongergator faction has a hard time form a lasting consensus on the Abyssal Jaws. On the one hand, the Abyssal Jaws are a old chapter that ruled Maresia for many millennia, as such they are but another institution that must fall before the wave of change lest all humanity drown in the maelstrom of decay. But on the other hand the Abyssal Jaws are a highly unorthodox chapter that exists on the fringe of the imperial administration, as such they have the potential to be allies in the war against sterility and stagnation.

Long term goals on Maresia: There is a plot that has been brewing amongst the Recongergators of [SECTOR REDACTED]. By cunning use of moles and infiltrations going back hundreds of year the Sector Govenor Mr. Z* has become fearful of the Abyssal Jaws undue independence. Soon Mr. Z will clampdown on freedoms of the chapter by barring them transport on Navy ships and other similar actions. In response to this affront the Abyssal Jaws will rebel, ending both the rule of Mr. Z and them selfs thanks to the Imperial response. The martyrdom of the Abyssal Jaws shall then in turn sow decent amongst other space marines.

Curent activity on Maresia: Recongergator actions on Maresia is focused on preparing for the coming rebellion and setting up distraction "smoke-screens".

* Obvious placeholder name is obvious.

Hmm I'm not as happy with this one, if someone els wants a go at the Recongergators and Abyssal Jaws then go ahead.

>>14803239

How about "Davy Jone's Locker" as the name of a transport vehicle of some sort?

I'm to tired to write something good about the Abyssal Jaws and Xanthistes right now. See ya jawsome ppl tomrrow. =)

Also feedback /criticism / thoughts on >>14802858 and >>14803243 would b really nice.

>>14789978
We never did get rules for an angler pauldron, did we?

Here we go

Angler Pauldron.

5pts

This shoulder pad distracts enemies during combat. Each round of combat you may reroll either one failed "to hit" OR force an enemy to reroll one successful to hit against the model with the upgrade.

Wrote up some more stuff for the wiki page. Opinions?
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The first challenge for the chapter would be to discover the location of the mysterious being known only as “Cth” and then terminating it. While seemingly a simple challenge on paper, the oceans of Terra had long since faded into history and there were countless worlds in existence with vast oceans to search. The chapter was given its own fleet and sent on its crusade, no-one knowing if they would ever find this creature and destroy it before it could pose a threat to the Imperium of Man. The following two thousand millennia would become known to the Abyssal Jaws as “The Search for the Forbidden City.”

The chapter known then as the Abyssal Angels was a far cry from what it would eventually become. While not the strictest followers of the Codex Astartes, their organisation was practically identical to that of their parent chapter. During these early centuries the chapter even contained Sanguinary Guards, a unit which would later disappear from the chapter, along with much of their Blood Angel heritage.

>>14803586

I read through them both and thought they were really good! If you're struggling with names, I'd suggest using a name generator. I tend to use this one:
>http://www.behindthename.com/random/
I tend to use a mixture of African and Portugese names when coming up with AJ names.

Anyway, looking forward to the fluff on the Xanthistes.

History of Inter-Astartes Rivalries

When the Tyranid Hive Fleet Behemoth reached the world Desicon 3, a predominantly aquatic world, the Ordo Xenos requested forces from both the Abyssal Jaws and Ultramarines chapters to help defend the world. When a powerful, mutated, hive tyrant was discovered to be the sole synapse creature for the invasion (a very odd scenario, but do to the powerful currents that would drag both marine and monster away, it was perhaps necessary for the fleet.
A kill team made of marines from both chapters was assembled, led by Chaplin Cassius and killed the hive tyrant. However, it came at a high price, as nearly half of the Jaws, and nearly all of the Ultramarines were slain. Cassius entered a coma, but the Abyssal Jaws could not tell, and, as there tradition dictated, they began eating the Chaplin to gain his strength. To their amazement, Cassius screamed upon being eaten. At which point he was returned to the surface, and given proper medical attention and bionics for the missing flesh. While the Abyssal Jaws have since apologized for the mistake, relations between the chapters have been frosty ever since

>>14804828
Alright that made me giggle uncontrollably. However I thought that they ate only the enemies of mankind. Do they eat fallen comrades as well?

>>14804902

It's common among many cannibalistic societies to eat the dead to gain their strength, and that could be the burial rite of dead Jaws.

bumpity bumpity bump bump bump

>>14804828

First Captain Megas Odon

WS 8 BS 4 S 6 T 5 W 4 I 4 A 4 LD 10 SV 2+/++

Special Rules:

And they Shall Know No Fear, Fearless, Blood Rites, The Blood-Stained Standard, Feel No Pain, Massive Stature, Independent Character, Furious Charge

Wargear:

Goredrinker, Fleshcarver, wrist-mounted stormbolter, Artificer Armor, Storm Shield

>>14805923
Goredrinker- Goredrinker is a massive razorbeast, a species of vicious amphibious predator from the Abyssal Jaws' homeworld. The beast seems like a cross between a massive shark and a bear, but lacks eyes. Its body is covered from head-to-tail in scaly, sandpaper like skin, and gill slits sit where its eyes do. Goredrinker and Megas Odon count as a unit, but may join units together. In addition, Goredrinker MUST maintain unit coherency with Megas unless given the order to 'sic!' a target. When ordered to Sic!, Goredrinker rushes the nearest target and attempts to kill them.
Goredrinker: WS 4 I 3 S 5 T 5 W 2 Save 3+

Fleshcarver: A massive, serrated weapon crafted for Megas by the Abyssal Jaws' artificers. The weapon counts as a relic blade(meaning he has S8), and counts as a chainfist while attacking vehicles.

Massive Stature: Megas has +2 Str, +1 T. In addition, he is able to be picked out by ranged fire if in a squad when Goredrinker has died. If Goredrinker is alive, the beast can be assigned wounds instead of Megas.

Blood Rites: Megas must challenge Independent Characters, Monstrous Creatures, Walkers, and Sergeants to single combat. This means that Megas and the target must be in base to base contact in close combat. In addition, if Megas wounds a target but does not finish them off, he may Sic! Goredrinker on them afterwards.

The Blood-Stained Standard:

An army that fields Megas Odon must take the Blood-Stained Standard, bearing the First Captain's heraldry. The standard grants +1A and +1 I to any allied unit within 6 inches of it. In addition, the standard-bearer may rally once a game, causing any allied units withing 6 inches to gain Megas' Fearless and Furious Charge rules for the next assault phase.

225 pts+75 for the mutt.

>>14802433
Definately, though most of their fishing activity consists of slaying sea-monsters. They fish a good deal of their own food supplies by doing that.

>>14805021
That's been stated a few times in prior threads. They don't just do it their own fallen brothers, but to regular citizens of Maresia who have done something of note that warrents preservation.

an amphibious land speeder would be awesome for these guys

>>14806049

Let's use that old 'deodorant stick' speeder from the Rogue Trader days as the base model for their underwater craft (most imperial stuff is to angular and pointy to be efficient underwater).

That'll be their "thing." Templars have (had, actually) the Land Raider Crusader to themselves, Blood Angels have the Baal, and the Space Wolves had that Leman Russ with the autocannons. The Abyssal Jaws have kick ass deodorant skimmer tank that can go under water. We shall call it, the "Kickass Deodorant Skimmer Tank with Submarine Capabilities," Deo-Sub for short.

3rd Captain [Insert Name Here]

WS 6 BS 5 S 4 T 4 W 3 I 5 A 3 LD 10 SV 2+/4++

Special Rules:

And they Shall Know No Fear, Fearless, Rites of Battle, Unflinching Resolve, Inspiring Presence, Piercing the Heavens , Fleet

Wargear:

Sky Striker
Artificer Armor
Iron Halo
Frag and Krak Grenades
Jump Pack


Unflinching Resolve:

Any unit he joins can choose to automatically pass or fail any Morale or Pinning Test.

Piercing the Heavens:

+2 Attacks on a Charge instead of +1
also, on a roll of a natural 6, he generates an additional attack, if he rolls another 6 this "drilling" continues until he ceases to roll 6s.

Sky Striker:

Relic blade with Rending


200 pts.

>>14804828
>>14803767
MMM DAT FLUFF. ^_^

>Captcha: Name sopeatio
Looks like captcha wants in on the naming game eh?

Xanthites

View of the Abyssal Jaws: Inquisitors belonging to the Xanthites view the Abyssal Jaws as a boon. The chapter keeps the Old One locked in the depths of Maresia. That fits the Xanthites of [SECTOR REDACTED] just fine, for they do not yet understand this elder beats and what they do not understand they can not wield against the enemies of man. Meanwhile Xanthites inquisitors can rummage through the remains of chaos war-bands that have been rebuked by the Abyssal Jaws.

Long term goals on Maresia: Xanthites are infuriated with the horror hidden in Maresia. Ever since the world and the sleeping terror was found the Xanthites have sought to ditermen if the Old One could be made to obey the will of man of if it must stay slumbering until the end of existence. So far they have not succeeded, the warp-trinkets of broken war-bands make for an excellent consolation prize however.

Curent activity on Maresia: Xanthites inquisitors and their acolytes gather what they can from the watery homeworld of the Abyssal Jaws, be it warp-fueled artifacts or snippets of elder lore.

So is anyone feeling like exploring what the puritan factions of the =][= think of our chapter?

>>14808749

Still loving this Inquisitor fluff. I knew about the Puritains/Radicals and sub-groups (Thorites) but the sheer diversity (and batshitness) of these groups is fascinating.

bump

>>14790371
>>14806379
>>14805923

WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE ANTI-TANK RELIC BLADES?!?!

>>14809848
Glad that you like them, and yes the inquisition members are at varying as they are nutty. ^^
Have a look in "The Radical's Handbook" if you wanna seem some more crazy example of Inquisitorial factions.

>>14809481
I didn't make em, but I guess that anti-tank is a good approximation for "Crazy-drill-spear" if you don't like em then make your own variant.

>>14810399

Nothing wrong with Antitank Relic blades, but they should be rare/unique, not standard issue.

Maybe give a captain piranhas with meltabombs in their mouth or something, but not every leader should have an anti-tank melee weapon.

Also, you mixed up your taggings

Captcha became atmilds

SPACE JEWS

>>14810805

explain

>>14810894
I juste have misread "jaw marines" and I felt a towering duty to claim it to the whole world.

>>14810894

Someone mistook "Abyssal Jaws" to be "Abyssal Jews"

>>14810936

Considering their penchant for beakie helmets, that might not be far off

>>14810774
I blame the Old One for all my herping and derping.

Hmm it might be a bit off-topic but I wanna make a Dark Heresy background for Maresia. Do you guys have any ideas for that? I'm thinking that maybe the would have +5 willpower -5 fellowship instead of +5 fellowship -5 Toughness to show their hardiness.

Will return with more when I'm done walking the dog.

Whenever I see these threads I always read it as:
>Abyssal Jews

And I always laugh.

>>14811031

go for it

>>14806379

Fearless cancels out And They Shall Know No Fear.

>>14802926

Ok, working on rules for Davy Jones

1000pts
Sp 3
F14 S14 R13

Weapons
Megaharpoon

This weapon looks like a combination of a Gatling gun and and a harpoon. It has two modes of fire
Independent harpoons
Str 6 ap 4 rending 84 inchs heavy 10
This mode fires a bunch of harpoons that skewer and drag enemies. You may have this shoot at any number of targets, as long as they are all within 6' of each other. Any infantry model (model, not unit) hit with this is automatically moved up to 18' by Davy Jones, with normal scatter. For afterwards, the model takes a hit with a 1 str for every 3 inches moved, with no ap. This can take units out of cohesion. Any vehical hit is treated as if it got hit with a lifta droppa. Superheavies are unaffected.
Anti tank.
Str D ap 2 blast 84' heavy 1
The harpoons spread out until one hits it's target, at which point the others latch on. Only one target may be hit with this mode of fire, but Davy Jones may choose which one. Any superheavy hit is treated as if it were hit by a manga grapple.
Close combat claw
This Titan Close combat weapon also has an inferno cannon built in

>>14791468

terminators

>>14809848
>>14810774

People aren't getting where his name is from!

Anyway:

FUCK YOU I LIKE ANTI-TANK RELIC BLADES.

Anyway:

9th Captain Centrus Nattereri

WS 4 BS 7 S 4 T 4 W 3 I 5 A 3 SV 3+

Wargear: Sawtooth grenades, The Great Devourer, Demo-pack
Rules: Hunter's Eye, Fire Frenzy!, Unrelenting Advance

Characters born and raised on Maresia use the Hive World template but they lost "Caves of Steel" and "Hivebound" trait.
Maresians gain the following traits:

Hardened by The Trails
The longstanding tradition among Maresians that all children should partake in the selection trails for the Abyssal Jaws has make them a hardy and proud people. A Maresia characters use the following base to generate Willpower, Fellowship and Toughness. Willpower 25, Fellowship 15, Toughness 20.

Skills of the Seas
A Maresia characters gains the Swim and Navigation (Surface). One born on Maresia will not live through the abyssal trail without these skills.

Born on a haunted world.
Maresia is a world that is not only home to humans but a prison to some eldritch thing kept in the deep waters. This Old One whisper wordlessly to all that dwell on Maresia. A Maresian gains 1d10 Insanity point or 1d10 corruption points and Forbiden Lore (Warp) as a basic skill.


Coment, well I really didn't think that a penalty to toughness would fit Maresians with their bad ass ways and I figured that the Abyssal Jaws' pride would rub of on them. So what did ya think, what should be changed?

>>14812705

Sawtooth Grenades: Sawtooth grenades are a specialized form of grenade made only by the Abyssal Jaws' artificers. They resemble small, predatory fish from the Jaws' homeworld, and are just as devastating. Sawtooth grenades are hurled in handfuls of three to six grenades. Upon coming into contact with anything, they activate, revealing the mechanized jaws and razor-sharp teeth hidden within their 'mouths'. Sawtooth grenades count as frag grenades, krak grenades, or melta bombs.

The Great Devourer: Centrus' personal heavy bolter, adorned with paraphernalia, trophies, and his personal heraldry. The muzzle of the gun is adorned with the skull of an oversize great-shark from the oceans of Maresia, coated in adamantium. The Great Devourer also has an underslung grenade launcher, and can choose to be fired in one of two settings.

Profile One:36" range, Str 6, AP 4, Heavy 4.
profile two: 24" range, Str 8, Ap - , Assault 1, Small Blast.


Demo-Pack: Centrus has a penchant for explosive, and carries a few satchels of heavy-duty plastique with him wherever he goes. He also has a penchant for booby-trapping things. If an army fields Centrus, they are able to booby trap one piece of terrain. In addition, Centrus may hurl a demo-pak in lieu of firing his weapon in the shooting phase.
He may not assault afterwards, however. Vehicles struck by a demo-pack explosion automatically suffer a crew stunned result.

Demo pak: S6, Large Blast, 12'' range, AP 4

>>14812768
Rules: Hunter's Eye, Fire Frenzy!, Unrelenting Advance

Hunters Eye: If an enemy is retreating from an assault or has failed a moral test and moves within Centrus' line-of-sight, he takes a few pot shots at them. Centrus fires his weapon at the squad using its first profile.

Fire Frenzy!: Centrus may use this ability during the shooting phase. When used, any unit he is attached to equipped with bolters(Storm Bolters, Bolters, Bolt pistols, Heavy Bolters, etc.) are able to fire an extra shot in the shooting phase. However, they are unable to do anything during the assault phase if this rule is invoked.

Unrelenting Advance: Centrus may exchange his heavy bolter for his personal boltgun, Terrorfang. Terrorfang has the following profile:

S5 AP 4 Rapid-fire, Master-crafted, 24" range.

In addition, he can now use the special ammunition rules that Sternguard squads use. However, he must be attached to a Sternguard squad or this rule cannot be used.

In addition, he adds a new ammunition:

Razorfang Shot
Flamer Template, S5, Ignores Cover, Assault 1

Razorfang shot was created by a rather unhinged Abyssal Jaws artificer, who decided to fill a bolter shell with shrapnel and explosives. The shot leaves the barrel, travels a few feet, then explodes, causing a wave of heated metal shards to wash over the enemy.

>>14812838

245 pts.

Stupid limit.

>>14812768
That is some crazy funking wargear you got there.
I really don't know much about game balance but I approve of the fluff. Especially the adamantium shark skull.

>>14812911

His HB just has a secondary profile which is krak missile with no AP and shorter range+template. Otherwise, its STR got kicked up 1.

His bolter is +1 str+1 AP+master crafted.

The demo-pack is a thing from an IG book, but I'm not 100% sure I got the stats right so I just winged it.

Also forgot to put 'rapidfire' on his bolter, but whatever.

I'd suggest their "standard" special weapon should be missile (torpedo) launchers. Possibly the Jaws would configure their launchers for both rocket-propelled missiles for surface and space use, and propeller driven torpedoes for underwater use.

As a result of their crusade the chapter spent much of their time fighting on either oceanic worlds, or as part of boarding actions against enemy vessels. After just a thousand years it became apparent that the chapter had become a specialised military force. This was perhaps their first obvious deviation from the Codex Astartes, which teaches chapters to be the perfect soldiers for any situation.

As the crusade wore on and brother marines fell in battle, their armour often damaged beyond repair, the chapter began to manufacture the ancient MKIII “Iron” Power Armour. This armour, originally designed for combat in the cramped tunnels of the Squat Worlds had its frontal armour significantly reinforced, while the rear armour was lessened to compensate for the added weight. Considered to be uncomfortable and clumsy to move in, the armour was deemed unsuitable for convention fighting. However, with its weight significantly reduced while fighting in zero-gravity and oceanic environments, the MKIII Power Armour quickly became the signature suit of choice for the chapter. However, it should be noted that the chapter still retains power armour suits outside of the MKIII, but they are almost solely for dealing with battle outside of the chapter's favoured environments.

>>14813946

Yay or nay?

>>14813956
It seems to me like weakened back armor is not something you want in an environment where it is easy to be attacked from behind.

>>14813982

How about we say that they created a new MKIII.5 armour in which they use the MKIII's method of increasing the frontal armour but DON'T decrease that to the rear.

Though far too heavy to use in standard combat, it is excellent for zero-g and sub-marine warfare.

hey, having weakened rear armor gives them flavor, weakness. we aren't GW fluff writers here. we have integrity and dont need to make mary sue marines. just awesome marines. AWESOME. keep the bulky mk3. it makes them suspicious to puritanical forces.

>>14814168

'Shoddy workmanship' doesn't seem like flavor, it seems stupid.

They have plenty of flavor as is. Just roll up something on Primarch's curse or figure out something negative for them like The Fallen or Death Company.

When they're supposed to be humanity's premier fighting force, they shouldn't(and wouldn't) be wearing deuce armor.

its not entirely about the weakness of the armor, but the visual style of it. It was also covered earlier that they are hyper aggressive in combat, so their backs are unlikely to get shot and they actually benefit from the increased frontal armor. For a bit of fluff, the ship that crashed and dumped that warhound into the sea could have very well been a hive sized foundry which is where they get their antiquated gear from. some chunk that survived re-entry is still functional on the bottom of the ocean floor. Keep banging heads together for great ideas.

The only problem with Mk III production and usage as standard is that fluff-wise, the ability to make it has been lost. Maybe lots of hybrid suits instead? Bits from Aquila, Heresy and Mk IV armour?

>>14814279

It has? Well fuck me.

Ermm, I suppose it can't be THAT hard to make something similar... Ermm... I suppose they'll have to make do with combining bits from different suits and making crappy replicas.

>>14814279
maybe the AdMech are trying out some new heavy armor pattern and need a loyal chapter to try them out. And as we have concluded earlier the AJs really depend on the AdMech more then most chapters.

Could be the result of something found in the Aegis data fragment taking ten thousand year to get something worthwhile out of it sounds just like the AdMech don't?

>>14814352
Nah, we don't want to be speshul.

>>14814308
Note that they got hundreds of the suits at their founding, and countless parts? Maybe a quarter or third have complete suits, and many more use hybrids?

>>14814308

Tech heresy p. much.

They can make stuff that looks like it, but not stuff thats similar.

Best bet is to just go with them mix-and-matching parts of armor and then maybe modifying their helmets to look different.

>>14814279

Are you sure about that? Sauce for confirmation?

>>14814603 Had a quick look around.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-Accessories/MK-III-I
RON-ARMOUR.html

and

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour#Mark_3_.22Iron_Armour.22

Says nothing about Mark III being lost, just not used anymore. BTW just saw the the AJs get +5 str, maybe that can explan in part why the JAs can make the most of Iron Armor.

Sooo... Are we going with it?

>>14814750
With the Iron Armor? I say FUCK YEAH!

>>14814945

Not every Marine has Iron armour or mostly Iron armour. Just a large minority. That works fluff-wise, and gives us a way to say "Diving bells and bucketheads for all"!

>>14815210

Miniture Imperium flags for others?

throwing in for iron armor. totally unbiased guys. up next? Chapter rivalries with! the iron hands, and at odds with the iron warriors! imagine them trying to siege in an aquatic setting.

>>14815402

I'm pretty sure the AJ were supposed to be mutural bros with the Iron Hands?

I think it went something like:

Bros: Space Wolves, Salamanders, Iron Hands
Rivalry/Can't stand that shit: Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists
"Who?": White Scars, Raven Guard

>>14815561

Reading the post again, it was Iron Hand successors that liked us, not the chapter itself. Also the Blood Angels consider us to be inbred cousins.

>>14815645
What? Did the JAs eat one of their techpriest or something? =P

>>14815788
An Ironhand Techpriest must be pretty painful to chew.

Anyhoo, hold on...

This post is the one that mentioned it:
>>14792266

>>14815788

Naw, they're just super anal about purity and would view the Jaws and their practice with nothing but contempt. Many of their successors, however, devote themselves more to the AdMech side of things (Sons of Medusa), and would have a healthy appreciation for the Jaws' relationship with their Forge and the AdMech. Remember that ALL vehicles and most heavy/special weapons are under the direct control of the Abyssal Jaw's Forge (they even drive all the transports and serve as Devastators on occasion), and the Forge itself ties itself to the AdMech very closely (it's almost like another chapter).

The AdMech also appreciates how the Jaws make a point not to fuck with stuff that might be corrupted, be they artifacts or technorelics; instead they form and hold a perimeter until specialists (Inquisition or AdMech) come to deal with it.

do they really have to be space brazillians?

really?

does everything have to be ________ in space? are we really going have a titan called davy jones or kraken?

we should be making analogues, not ripoffs. be creative for the love of all that is interesting.

i for one say we base them off 40ks oft forgetten original lore. let the common people of maresia have no contemporary analogue. let them be of post dark age of technology stone man stock, who speak low gothic.

that is, a combination of contemporary tongues, mainly english and mandarin and all the other future developments, rather than latin.

just please, insert some of 40ks original culture into this so that for once a homebrew chapter has some.

instead of throwing in a kraken, make a new sea monster. give it a new name. make a new world and have the culture of the people that inhabit it a reflection of it rather than pasting on portugese words.

>>14815989

TL;DR - we should avoid all contemporary influence we can. i love that we're basing the chapter on fragments of lovecraftian fiction being found. that is awesome, and original. it isnt a homebrew cliche.

>>14815989

When we're talking about Space Brazillians, we mean that's what they look like. Lots of variety in skin tones and that. We've gone for Portugese names because they were mentioned in an earlier thread (I like to mix it up with African names as well). Also a big problem with the stuff you've written is that Maresia is an Oceanic Hiveworld.

>>14816051

Space Maoris might work too, but I think Space Sharks have that down already.

Could always name them after predatory fish. I imagine that'd be a good naming convention but idk.

>>14816051

How is that a problem? I don't follow your logic. An oceanic hive is still oceanic.

Also marines have no skin tone, their melanin levels change depending on the lighting they're subjected to.

>>14816077

I love that idea, but please don't directly name them after modern fish from earth. its just lazy. i wont bring it up again but naming a titan 'davy crocket' is a perfect example of the laziness we should avoid - it's poor writing and it doesnt make any sense.

why would a people 40,000 years estranged from us, who's ancestors went through multiple systems, staying on each system possible longer than civilization itself has existed so far, who speak a language that isn't evolved from our language, but is evolved from the local evolution of the general evolution of further millennia of evolutions of what the major contemporary languages are today use our naming conventions, legends and such?

>>14816141

whose* possibly*

its early morning, so sorry for being incoherent. the message im trying to get across is that the people of maresia aren't one 'evolution' away from us culturally and genetically, but they are something like 20 evolutions away, each evolution representing a bigger change in language, society, technology, genetic drift and such than

>>14816088

Oh, I think I misread your post and thought you ment the population were Cavemen. My bad.

>>14816141

Yeah... I'll agree with you there. Then again, we're making up a Chapter in a universe that had a prmarch called Iron Hands, primarch of the Iron Hands (and also had hands of iron!).

>>14816184

The Iron Hands are actually one of my favorite chapters just because they aren't aping any real world precedent.

Think of it this way. In Battletech, it is a thousand years from modern day. Many modern day languages, religions, cultural aspects, myths and legends are still around, although new forms abound.

A thousand years after that, roman history will still be there, but the clan invasion of the inner sphere would take precedence. stories of blackbeard would take a backseat to 'mara tung, space pirate who ambushed freighters from asteroid fields or whatever.

humans in 40k have been through that process 40odd times. this is something i think most 40k fans dont seem to grasp.

>>14815989
I can't recall that the SM would change pigmentation that dramatically. Link plz?

I for one am really don't see why EVERYONE in the entire Imperium of Man has to be a whitey. I Say that we keep Maresians as Space Brozilians!

However I like what you said about trying to make a new culture/beast for Maresia. But what we have done so far really don't have that much Brazilian Culture in it, just some the names of some people.

What we know about Maresia right now is that they see joining the JAs as a great honor, all take part in the trail to join as a rite of passage and that they weed out weakness amongst themselves. Like I said nothing the really screams Brazilian to me.

>>14816313

'so what makes the iron hands different?'

instead of being 'greeks in space!' 'pirates in space!' they are defined by their links to the adeptus mechanicus, the lore for which is long and essentially original. the expansion of humanity, the destruction of mars and their obsessive reverence for understanding technology being the reason they survived and dominated.

lazy writing is the reason the badab war went from interesting period of inter-marine warfare to babbys simple warhammer where chaos is always the reason for internal strife.

>>14816396

Wait, what happened in the original version of the Badab War? I've got the White Dwarf with the original Index Astartes article on it around somewhere, but by somewhere, I mean its buried.

Speaking of which, I need to check out Imperial Armour 9 & 10 (and shake my fist at the fact that the Executioners and Minotaurs were given new boring, unoriginal colour schemes)

>>14816383

I don't think you're getting the point. The idea that in 40,000 years time, after 35,000 years of constant expansion and change that anybody would have any resemblance whatsoever to a 'Brazilian' culturally or genetically is mind numbingly unlikely.

In 40k, if someone has dark skin, it isn't because they're a sub-saharan african with negroid features. It's because when their ancestors were adapting to the climate, dark skin was more advantageous. It's why tallarn desert raiders don't look like arabs but wear arabesque clothes. Tallarns aren't arabs in space, they just wear clothes that work in their arid climate.

People in 40k wouldnt really look or sound anything like we do. We would actually have very little in common with them.

Instead of lazily throwing brazillians onto an oceanic world, why dont we have the maresian skin tone relate to their environment? why dont we actually think through their genetic makeup? were they engineered for the environment in the dark age of technology or did they arrive as imperial colonists? were the colonists from one planet (if so, repeat the question) or not?

What traits would result from living in a hive? What culture would develop? what language? what aesthetics?

what would the climate of the world be like?

think this shit through guys.

>>14816383

marine skin ranges from snow white to pitch black depending on where they are.

>>14816557

Can't wait till you see the Rising Sons welp

>>14816557

I don't think YOU are getting the point. Warhammer 40,000 is a parody, nothing more. 40k IS arabs and russians and americans and british and huns and everything else in SPEEEEESSSSSS. THAT is the point.

Stop taking it so damn seriously. GW doesn't, they actually let Mat Ward write fluff.

>>14816557

You want full, thought out, deeply logical sci-fi. Go read "The Stars, My Destination"

This is 40k. We do that shit

We have:Orkimedese, Viking names for space wolves, Sorcerers named after Persian gods, tanks slightly more advanced than modern day ones, the constant use of latin, ect, ect

>>14816600

Didn't mean for that to come out so dick-like. Its always good to have a new view when coming up with stuff like this and I can definetly see some of your points. But as the guy above me said, 40K is basically just a giant mixing pot of Pop Culture references.

>>14816557
Look bro I think that your questions and thoughts are interesting, but accusing us of lazy writing will just piss people of.

We are just some fa/tg/uys having fun with making this new chapter it's not like we professional authors or anything.

Peace out and keep it civil everyone. :-)

So, what's happening with the Iron Armour? I'm guessing I'll have to rewrite the bit I was going to put on the wiki, but what should I have instead? They just have a larger then usual amount of Iron Armour? If so, where would they get it from? Scavenging derelicts like the Marines Malevolent (who would definetly hate the Abyssal Jaws).

>>14812851

He is way too overcosted. Also, Sawtooth grenades are redundant. Just give him frag, crack and melta. Maybe Sawtooth could be something else.

I like the idea of a shooty captain though, maybe give him relentless and no bolter option.

>>14817043
Mostly from a combination of armour given by their parent Chapter and the largess of the Mechanicus (which opened up a stockpile of Iron armour at their founding or something).

Mind you, that doesn't mean they don't scavenge...

>>14817043
Just read about the Marines Malevolent on Lexicanum. They seem like a bunch of fucknuts and anti-bros of the highest order.

If the Abyssal Jaws could fuck them over in anyway then I say that they would.

Buy why do you call them "derelicts"?

>The muzzle of the gun is adorned with the skull of an oversize great-shark from the oceans of Maresia, coated in adamantium.
Dunkleosteus here, sharks are small time.

>>14820209

You seem to have been a little confused by my post. My derelicts, I ment they scavenged from derelict ships, not that they were derelict themselves.

i got to the end of this thread reading the marine chapter name as abyssal jews.

...

Caryy on then, sounds good!

>>14813946

Re-wrote. How is this?
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Just a few years before the Chapter left Terra for the darkness of space, an Adeptus Mechanicus expedition under Magos Explorator Mihaita Akamu and protected by a detachment of Angels Vermilion began the exploration of a mysterious derelict vessel. As their ship approached the derelict, Mihaita realised that this was the Sword of Crimson, a Blood Angels vessel confirmed lost pre-heresy. Searching the ruined ship, the Explorator stumbled upon several hundred suits of MKIII Power Armour, presumably being dispatched to the front lines in some ancient war zone. After much discussion with the Blood Angels over these suits of power armour, it was agreed that they would be given to the newly formed Abyssal Angels, proof that they were blessed by their father chapter.

MKIII “Iron” Power Armour, originally designed for combat in the cramped tunnels of the Squat Worlds, had its frontal armour significantly reinforced, while the rear armour was lessened to compensate for the added weight. Considered to be uncomfortable and clumsy to move in, the armour was deemed unsuitable for convention fighting. However, with its weight significantly reduced while fighting in zero-gravity and oceanic environments, the MKIII Power Armour quickly became the signature suit of choice for the chapter. However, as the years wore on and marines fell in battle, their armour often damaged beyond repair the chapter began to mix and match the various types of power armour at their disposal in an attempt to get the best results they could from the surviving suits. It became common to see a marine wearing an assortment of parts from Aquila, Corvus, Iron and Maximus power armour. To this very day, the Abyssal Jaws prize these suits of power armour and are forever trying to get their hands on more of them.

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was there any writefaggotry of an Abyssal Jaw/Space Shark combined operation?

Would the Abyssal Jaws have access to boats and subs. They should, as a aquatic fighting force, but as a marine chapter, they wouldn't. What do?

How about their planets, have we described them in detail?

>>14821113

Nothing has been written thus far. Even though both chapters are pretty similar, they both have one key difference. I'll quote IA10 for this:
>>Although it can be said of many Space Marine Chapters that they are without mercy to some extent, it proved doubly true of the Carcharodons. Time and time again they displayed an utter disregard for any civilian casualties they inflicted in pursuit of their military targets with a few salient exceptions, and when they enacted judgement on those who supported the rebellion they were as the hand of death itself.

>>14821155

I don't see why being a Space Marine chapter, especially one which stays as far away from the Codex Astartes as humanly possible, would prevent them from having ships and submarines.

>>14821175
There was a bunch of stuff posted in the last thread. I'll repost them.

>>14821204

I thought Space Sharks were more bro than Carcharodons, that's why they were retconned?

well so far Maresia is a world with about the same gravity as Earth but is notable larger in diameter and is covered by +90% ocean and that the majority of the hives are smaller floating cities or built upon rigging in shallow regions of the sea. The largest patches of dry land tend to be covered with arcologies though there are patches of small islands where it isnt practical to build such large scale buildings. There are of course some smaller hives that are completely underwater.

The economy of Maresia is built around kelp/algae farming, fishing the over abundant sea life, and harvesting salt from the water. There are of course ore and petrochemical mining along the sea-floor and local refiners and factories to make use of the stuff. Most its manufacturing is geared toward ocean-going vessals and other sea related things.

I'd imagine that rather than living in the hives, the nobility live aboard their own vessals (aircraft carrier size) along with their fishing fleets.

(continued)

>>14821221

The Space Sharks and Carcharodons are the same chapters. They just got renamed because Space Sharks were to silly (in a universe where everyone accepts Space Wolves as perfectly normal.)

>>14821223

The initiation rites require the aspirants to locate and kill one of the dozen species of "sea monster" that dwell in Maresia on their own and consume its heart and/or brain. Of course, it's better for the aspirants to seek dangerous prey or handicap themselves in someway (i.e. simple weapons only).

Almost every boy from age 12 to 16 will attempt this though only those who go after the most dangerous prey and succeed will pass. Those who aim lower can at least be assured respect amonst the Maresia Sea-Guard and a chance at scoring a wife. Though aiming too low only earns mockery.

The female population of the planet, while unable to join the Abyssal Jaws, still undergo the same initiation test to gain social standing as Maresia has very much embraced the ideal of survival of the fittest. Therefore any woman can do it ensures herself a step up on the social ladder or a better position in the Sea-Guard or other Imperial Institutions. Because all the men who pass become Abyssal Jaws, most high ranking positions in Maresia tend to be occupied by women and surnames tend to be matrilineal. Having sons that enter the Abyssal Jaws further increases social standing and so the most prominent families tend to be lead by a matriarch who has had a number of her sons enter the Abyssal Jaws.

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>>14821233

the Fortress-Monestary is located on Noxyssus, the green moon of Maresia, though it would make sense than the Fortress-Monstary itself is floats in the toxic oceans of Noxyssus.

Noxyssus is about 50% dry land and 50% ocean. Unlike Maresia's ocean though the seas of Noxyssus are acidic enough to be deadly to normal humans and the storms that wrap lazily around the moon of course deposit acid rain. The moon has always been that way and life on it has evolved to deal with it accordingly, which makes it VERY DANGEROUS. The dry land is mostly wetland, bogs, swamps, and marshes and such; the exceptions being the highlands (which there aren't many of).

Aside from the Abyssal Jaws and their serfs, the are only small chemical refiners in some of the safer areas.

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It should be noted that parts of it may have been retconned during the last thread, since this was posted early on.

>>14821244
Awesome-sauce.
Yesterday I made a new planet using the planet generator and it suspisciously sounds like this planet!
Should I upload the technical data?

>>14821249

Sure, go ahead.

>>14821277
Jolly good

Planet

size 7, 47 * 2 = 94000Km.
Mass 10 (A) = 2.6-2.7 gravity.
Dense (16) 13+ (D) pressure = 15 - 2.49
atmosphere type 7,
Length of day, 13, thus 35
Length of year, 3, thus 51 Terran days to 1 year. .
number of local days = 51 * 24 /length of day (35) = 34,971.
Axial tilt = 2, thus 1-5 (+5 summer, -5 winter.)
World temperature = 5, thus temperate 0 to 30 degrees.
Hydrographics 4-4 + 10 = 10, thus 10(A) 96-100% water.

Terrain
High gravity, overwhelming hydro, no temp bonus. dense atmosphere.

Grassland
40 + 30 - 10 +30 = 90%
roll 14 = 7 dominating.
roll =
Savannah
30 + 30 - 20 + 20 = 60%
roll 0. = 6 dominating.
Cont. forest
60 - 50 + 30 + 20 = 60%
roll 68. = 0.
Broken forest.
50 - 40 + 30 + 20 = 60%
roll 61. = 0.
Hills
50 -40 -10 +5 = 5%
roll not necessary.
Mountain
50 - 20 -10 = 20%
roll 53. = 0.
Pateaus
30 - 20 - 10 = 0%
roll not necessary.
Dormant volcanoes.
30 +20 +20 = 70%
roll 4 = 6 Dominating.
Active volcanoes.
20 +20 = 40%
roll 78.
Broken Rock
30 +10 =40%
roll 27 = 1 insignificant.
Flat rock
30 +20 +30 =80%
roll 38 = 4 widespread.
Columns
15 -15 = 0%
no roll necessary.
Moors
35 -10 -20 = 5%
no roll necessary.
Barren.
30 +10 +40 -10 = 70%
roll 63 = 0 insignificant.
Swamp
30 - 20 +40 +10 = 60%
roll 40 = 2 mild.
Caves
30 -20 +35 =45%
roll 35 = 1 insignificant.
Ravines
40 -30 +30 +5 = 45%
roll 58 = insignificant.
Sandy
20 -20 -10 = -10%
roll not necessary.
Islands
50 -10 +30 = 70%
roll = 56 = 1 insignificant.
Cliffs.
40 - 35 +20 = 25%
roll 67% = insignificant.

Planet class.

world = hive world.

Population
large size + 10 = +10.
roll 66 + 10 = 76 = 1d5 = 5 billions.


Society, roll 07.
government type is Hereditary dictator
Religion roll 69
Ministorum.

Adepta presence.
due to Ministorum roll 1d10 + Minisotrum and Mechanicus.
Arbites - roll 17 = notable.
Astra - roll 29 = dominating.
Mechanicus - roll 14 = moderate.
Administratum - roll 21 = significant.
Ministorum - roll 11 = small.
Inquistiion - roll 10 = small.
Departmento - roll 7 = slight.

Tech level.

hive world so 45 + 2d10
+ 5 for D density.
+ 10 for A hydro.
+10 for 5 billion humans.
+5 Mechanicus.
-5 for Munitorum.
total + 25.
roll 45 + 45 + 25 = 115 -> Advanced.


Defenses


presence.
Enforcers; 95 roll 70 = aye.
Militia; 95 roll 46 = aye.
Standing army; 95 roll 15 = aye.
Armoured forces; 95 roll22 = aye.
Titan legions; 30 roll 4 = aye!.
Private armies: 30 roll 92 = naye.
Naval Forces; 95 roll 18 = aye.
Orbital Stations; 60 roll 71 = naye.
Missile Silos(planet); 85 roll 55 = aye.
Missile Silos(orbital); 70 roll 67 = aye.
Defence lasers; 40 roll 87 = naye.
Mercenary forces; 10 roll 45 = naye.

Size
Titan = 10 pieces.
Naval = 10 pieces.
Missile silos (planet) = 16 pieces..
Missile silos(orbital) = 4 pieces.

Force size.
Enforcers; roll 15 = large. 20% of pop.
Militia; roll 21 = Massive. 35 % of pop.
Standing army; 16 = Huge. 25% of pop.
Armoured forces roll 18 = Huge. 25% of pop.

Quality
Enforcers; roll 5 = poor/medium.
Militia; roll 14 = medium.
Standing army; roll 18 = medium / high.
Armoured forces; roll 15 = medium.
Titan; roll 9 = poor/medium.
Naval; roll 14 = medium.
Missile planet; roll 10 = medium.
Missile Orbital; roll 13 = medium.

>>14821277
This is what I can, humbly, present.

Seems rather fitting, albeit who am I to tell?

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>>14812706
Looks like my attempt to make Maresia as a homeworld for DH sort of got buried.

So what do you guys think of it?

now that i have an idea what the armor looks like i will drawfag it up for this GLORIOUS chapter

>>14822088
That's JAWSOME!

Abyssal bro-fist!

bump from the deep

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>>14820779

So is the re-write okay to put up on the wiki?

>>14823949
Aye! Raise your sails and set course for 1d4chan honored wikifag.

>>14824130

Done and done.

I'm not really sure how I'll tie in the Abyssal Angels and Abyssal Jaws though. I'm thinking of keeping them around as a Crusading chapter for a few thousand years, then having an Inquisitor or something discover the ruins on Maresia. The chapter, realising they have found their holy grail speeds towards Maresia at full speed and sets-up shop there. After that, everything pretty much falls into place. Something bad probably happened at some point, something that made them choose to rename themselves. Its just a question of "what?"

>>14824277
Good question, may they had to fight a long champaign in the depths of Maresias seas
when they first found the world. I guess there would be some purging to be done on Maresia with the Old Ones influence and what not. They could start to identify themselves with the fearsome beasts that stalk the seas they fought in.

Just my two coper coins

>>14824721

Yeah, I'm thinking they did something that disgusted them so much that they refused to call themselves Angels anymore.

>>14824904
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but the name change is really necessary?
why can't them be Jaws since the beggining?

>>14825121

Cuz why not? Its happened more then once in the fluff (namely the Relictors, which used to be called the Fire Claws)

>>14825121

Plus, it could illustrate the influence the Old One has had on the chapter, no matter how hard the Black Priests have tried to prevent it.

>>14804828

Hey, if we're putting stuff up on 1d4chan, should this go in the Tales of the deep?

>>14826320
Maybe we should have a sepera page for all the "political" fluff? In case someone want a quick understanding of what the JAs relation with the rest of IoM is.

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>>14826443

I would suggest putting it in its own location as well.

threads dying so im going to show what i have so far...

>>14826847

Wow! I'm liking it!

Bumping!

>>14826847

Look at the cool new picture, people! ):

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>>14826847

Absolutely amazing. I'm loving the jaw around the head, very nice touch.