First

WOO

Yay for Christmas goodies!

D'aw, Sachiel always knows what to get me for the holidays.

Yay for AdEva. I don't play, but what I've read has been good, and this is one of the most coherent things to emerge from /tg/ since forever.

#adeptusevangelion at irc.rizon.net if you want to discuss

I am Archivist and I approve of this topic.

And a merry impending apocalypse to you too.

Does this mean all the non-debatable stuff in the error document is fixed, and will you still check up on it occasionally in case people like me are too lazy to make a forum account?

WOOOOO!!! Time for Dat Crippling Childhood Issues!

Sadly I lost all my Evangelion Images when my last laptop died, so have this.

>Asuka.jpg

Merry Christmas dude <333

mfw AdEva2.5b
overriding mfw when said thing 25th of December

>>17334682
Well, if you don't want to register for the forums I guess your best bet is to just drop by the IRC and tell me in person. But that is awfully impermanent.

>N2 Shell Weapons

I love you.

>Shellcannon, Supershell Launcher, Shellgun, Railshell Rifle
Why is the first thing I thought of something out of Mario?

>>17334743
Thanks for the effort BMJ, you're a bro.

Does anyone care about this thing? Who knows!
New version, anyways!

http://horobox.reager.org/u/ShepherdsPie_1324934448.swf

Oh god just on time.

Now if BMJ will allow me to be a egotist faggot....

I'm jonesing for some AdEva. Anyone care to try out the 2.5 in a little campaign I've been writing in my offtime?

sup/tg/ #flow

Feel free to call me a faggot if you don't like me posting my own advertising on BMJ's thread.

>>17335535

>>17335471
there's dazzle camo and then there's THIS.

>>17335471
>New version
>it's awesome

Fuck yes

Bump

I have no idea where I picked this one up but tis better to bump with interesting things.

JHGKGHJKL OH GOD I WANT IT INSIDE ME

>>17336227

Forgot my image of wanting it inside me.

BMJ, YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MENTALLY DAMAGED CHILDREN.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17334234/

Some kind soul want to upload it somewhere else? I can't use megaupload.

>>17336377
http://filesmelt.com/dl/Adeptus_Evangelion_v2.5_PUBLIC_BETABookmarked_.pdf

Just chiming in to say that it's hliarious that Terrorist Cell MEMBERS have absurd BS (65?) whereas Terrorist Cell LEADERS are about as tough as your average starting-level Acolyte.

>>17336429

Gonna expand on this; I get the need to emphasise that pilots are going to be awful in actual, not-Evangelion combat. Making an enemy with 75 BS (UN Special Forces) or 85 WS (Angelspawn) seems to be taking that concept too far.

>>17336453
I'd agree, it seems more like increasing the quantity of attacks and the damage would be better, since that way it sort of takes the resolution of the attack out of the pilots hands.

With stats like this, it makes their TN: Yes to dodge amazingly useful.

Hooray.

Well this should be interesting. I've heard a lot about AdEva, but that's about it. Time to see the crunch of it.

Everyone rejoice! The next edition of the mentally scarred children RPG is out!

>indie dev
>full of himself on previous popularity
>tied completely down to one project that he can't seem to focus on a direction for
>takes months and years to get anything done as grand majority of time is spent fucking around
>has a "team" that supposedly works for him but really most of them except a couple of exceptional members does jack shit
>doesn't test anything for shit
>every time anything is added, everything else becomes more broken and unplayable
>started off taking suggestions from the community, but then cloistered himself with his fans, and then finally got too lazy and just started snatching up and reskinning things other people did.

>is now releasing products in "open beta" instead of actually making a quality finished product like every other dev of his kind so that other people can do his work for him

Welp that's the final nail in the coffin. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you /tg/'s Notch.

>>17336980
It's really mostly his "team's" fault.
They're the reason for the lack of direction and breaking everything repeatedly. As well as the source of all around bad and uninspired design.

Pretty standard example of a so called "/tg/ project".

>>17337033
>Standard example
>Actually released multiple working versions and attained a fanbase larger than the devteam itself

>>17337033
Former Dev here. That's really what it appears to be I'll admit, but that's really not the case. The team that actually does shit are a pretty cool bunch of dudes. There was an extremely promising working version that was 95% done before BMJ canned it at the last minute and redid everything himself. Actually I shouldn't say by himself. His personal favourite got to run wild with it while he told everyone else to take a hike, as usual.

All that garbage you see in there with Gundam style Heat blade technology, random Berserk types being Defining features, ATT trying to be a weak gunner instead of actually good, Skirmisher being forced to use exactly one weapon, bare and boring XUPgrades, schizophrenic references to various mecha shows, angels that behave nothing like the show and cause retarded 20 turn broken ass cheese and kiting battles with their internally incoherent abilities, mindlaser AT blaster characters, useless afterthough surplus, clunky and annoying conventional forces with charts upon charts to look between and read, research that makes it impossible to actually get any of the techs by games end, bloat bloat everywhere, replacing 95% of the DH core mechanics with homebrewed shit, clunky construction, overall horrible balance, visual ugliness and difficulty of reading, is all those two.

>>17337793

Well if you had a version that was 95% good to go, why didn't you fork it off from BMJs version and make a separate release? Put your money where your mouth is and let us see the product. Otherwise that's all just trash talk.

>>17337802

This. Cmon dude. Lets see it.

>>17337812
>>17337802
I ain't trying to start a slander campaign but you're accusing a bunch of people who actually have a work ethic of not knowing how to make a game, and that's not cool. In fact, after he decided he didn't need anyone but his favourite dev, he straight up closed the Dev channel and just put it up for open forum so he could cherry pick other people's ideas he liked and make his own version. We have nothing to do with this. Throwing out a near complete version, ignoring the consensus of the entire rest of the team, going backwards against the pre-written design guidelines, refusing to take math, playtesting and common sense as evidence for or against anything, running away with the bulk of everyone's work and bastardizing the easy to change bits, and then having the nerve to too lazy to test it and 'releasing' it as an 'open beta' expecting everyone else to do his work for him without so much as fucking spellchecking his work like everyone is taught in second grade? That's all him. Not us.

Actually, what the hell. Why not? After I did 30 odd pages of writing and an entire week of balancing and playtesting and then was told to fuck off, only to have him take the pieces of it he happened to like instead of doing it himself when I'd already told him I didn't want my name anywhere on this crap, I might as well put it to some kinda use.

There's a nice, clean, SPELL CHECKED .pdf sitting on my HD missing nothing but angel stuff and the various fluff from long ago explaining the NGE setting. I can either spend today finishing the angel shit and have it ready for tomorrow in a totally playable state, or I can chop out the angel chapter pretty much immediately and have it up today without it. Choice is yours.

>Mfw most of my Dickson quotes got in

>>17337914
Oh and namefagging so nobody posts the 2.5 pre-alpha thing and pretends to be me like a douchebag. And because I'm sure he already knows who I am.

>>17337914

If you got it, throw it up then. I'm not meaning to sound hugely antagonistic, but this is the internet, and then even /tg/, I can't really take your argument unless you can say 'okay, HERE is what I was talking about!'

>>17337914

This is what happens when people fail to be aware their preferred playstyle is not something other people may not like and continuously insist it is the only way the game can be played.

Is it so hard to understand people may not like stuff you wrote?

>>17337914
>Consensus
>Of a minority

I have a theory that there is a hidden conspiracy of highly specialized vampires who feed on butthurt instead of blood, and they invented Adeptus Evangelion and have been manipulating it's development to ensure a delicious harvest.

>>17338095
.
I've heard they have moved on to Broquest.

>>17338095


I have a theory that there is a hidden conspiracy of autists who would like to steal Adeva's thunder, and who are so terrible at game design that they wormed their way into dev with no intention at all to help the game, and instead tried to load as much of the devwork onto others as possible so they could steal said hard work, hack out the parts that did not appeal to their autismal selves, and then come out and try to steal the thunder of this release by releasing their own Adeva: AUTISM VERSION in the very same thread.

Somebody say they needed EVA images?

Dump time.

First off

>>17338135
>Autists
>Autism
>Autismal

You feed the asspainpires well.

>>17338150
Guh. I hate Asuka. Why did this make me D'awww?

>>17338157

Beta detected

>>17338157

Because you hate Germany more.

>>17338161
Approves of sexually confident females= Beta.

And then of course there is lord Shinji on his terrible throne.

>>17338172

It's true. I hate Germany so much. It's the worst country in the world.

>>17338150
>>17338172

Fucking love Asuka.

Moar Plz.

>>17338181


>asuka

>sexually confident

WAT

>>17338195
If there's one thing I dislike about 2.5 it's that it's distancing itself so much from Shinji and Warhammer 40,000, without which it arguably would not exist as a game.

N2 Bolt just doesn't have the soul of a proper E-scale bolter.

>>17338207
Canon decidedly is not. However, that little comic snippet with the popsicle? Decidedly. I could get behind an Asuka like that, except that she'd probably prefer that position.

>>17338195

This remind me of some weird ass fanfic I read where Shinji finds the Conan books as a kid.

He ends up becoming God during 3I, Tanging everyone BUT Gendo, making Gendo immortal and literally unkillable, then going "Bye Dad, have fun suffering in utter loneliness for all eternity."

>>17338197
>It's the Wurst country in the world
FTFY

>>1733820

Like, Daaw level or just assorted?

>>17338225

Ohh hey Re-Take. Its about the only porn where you can legitimately say "I'm reading it for the plot."

>No Shinji, you ARE the Angel!

Either or, have some uncanny valley Asuka.

>>17338220

This one is actually from Shinji and Warhammer 40k, where he finds a box of minis and books at age 6 or so, and then through being da strongest, amasses his own private army, rules his town from the sidelines, and basically takes twenty levels in badass.

Then in the second chapter, he actually gets to Tokyo 3.

>>17338256
>Then in the second chapter, he actually gets to Tokyo 3.

And it drags on and on after that.

>>17338256
Decidedly outside the uncanny valley, at least for me, but that image is plenty inhuman enough that my brain doesn't start going "NOPEBADWRONGCORPSE."

>>17338246

Well, I enjoyed it.

>Shinjimustnotfap.jpg

>>17338268

Yeah, it does for a while. It's worth it if only for his eminently quotable speeches. Plus it starts picking up again when Kaworu shows up and starts doing things.

>>17338274

Uncanny valley varies. It may just be the style that triggers it in my mind.

What does admech stand for? Adeptus Mechanicus or some similar faux-latin?

I'm planning to GM a vanilla game of 2.5 soon, and mostly play it by ear just to learn the system well and have some fun along the way.

After that I'm going to try an adaptation where it's refluffed as a high fantasy epic, where the Evas are somewhat like the mecha from Escaflowne; simultaneously armor and mount, modeled after dragons.

>>17338313
Got it in a oner.

>>17335471
Shit this is way funnier than it should

>>17338329
Ten bucks says one of your players will have their character shout FUS RO DAH at some point in the game.

>>17338417
I am actually debating whether or not to include a FUS RO DAH! AT power. Repulsion already exists, I suppose I could just refluff it.

I am being open about the fact that I'm definitely in a big "Dragons!" Mood mostly due to Skyrim, although the Eva/dragons won't resemble Skyrim dragons at all. More like a combination of Escaflowne mecha and the freakish abomination dragons from Legend of Dragoon.

What we really need right about now is some Evangelion alt art.

Hilariously I know of only one really good example, and it's all plugsuit porn of the characters of Avatar: The Last Airbender.

>>17338479
There's plenty of gender-flippage.

>>17338522
That's because Shinji is Nadia.

Also it's no big deal to genderswap Eva characters, especially canon ones, since in the original style they were basically sexless androgenes distinguished only by their clothing.

ZEON

>>17338535

SIEG ZEON!

>>17338549

Next Ad Eva campaign will be a vanilla, no-frills core game, with the exception that Nerv's uniforms will all be 19th century FABULOUS.

Epaulets fucking everywhere.

//angel online

>>17338561
So basically, LOGH meets Eva?

>>17338570
>LoGH meets Eva

YEEESSSSSS...

Warships?

Hurf durf magical girls

You may fire when ready.

So how would large numbers of smaller, more "mundane" mecha work for Conventional Forces in lieu of tanks, etc.?

>>17338593
aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

FUCKING KYUBEY

MONGRELS

>>17338593
The face of that thing... it looks so smug NGGGGHAARRGG I WANT TO PUNCH IT

MANLY

>>17338608
Like this.

>>17338618
...Oh god.
AngryEVA?
Everything is fucked.

>>17338637
Jet Alone was a hunk of shit though. The mecha I'm imagining work as a supplement to Evangelions, not an intended replacement.

Probably more agile than tanks due to the rules of anime physics, perhaps less powerful weapons, but more rapid firing.

>>17338654
So more like this.

>>17338623
But why would you want to punch me, anon? There's simply no logical reason.

>>17338608
>>17338637
Uuugh, THAT thing.

I'm not a fan of conventional mecha in Eva, but something like the TRI-DENTs are probably more in your range of appeal.

I can't find my TRI-DENT image, so have an independent positron turret instead.

>>17338678
Behold.

>>17338678

I love how the great positron cannon has finally made the complete transition from merely a shoulder mounted heavy gun, to this thing.

>>17338692
Hah, sniped.

That thing is nice. Doesn't walk around, uses the legs as articulated landing gear instead.

>>17338698
That's just the normal gun on treads.

>>17338650

Bow before the King of Evas, mongrel

>>17338711
Forgot my picture.

I think I'll up my CRC collection, lots of base lineart in there for the interested designer.

>>17338725

>>17338730
TRAIN PROPELLED EVAS

>>17338740
Unused angel concepts.

>>17338764
More unused concepts.

>>17338764
Oh man, these are neat. More?

>>17338776
>that thing top center

WHAT THE FUCK JAPAN

>>17338776
Nerv 7th Branch: Tabgha Base.

>>17338800

IPEA's Evangelion Containment Silo

>>17338810
More concepts.

>>17338822
And more.

>>17338840
>Top Right

jesuschristhowhorrifying.

>>17338840
Some plugsuit details for those of you who are into that.

>>17338840
>>17338822
>>17338810
>>17338800
>>17338776
So much horrors. Thank you, gentleman. It makes me want to start my AdEva/Cthulhu mythos campaign again.

>>17338869
IL EST LA MORT LUY MESME, ET N'Y D RIEN DU MONDE, QUI FACE TDNT MOURIR LE MONDE, QUE LE MONDE

>>17338890
Some sexy Fuyutsuki in a space suit, for those who like older men.

>>17338895
TIME FOR GENDO

TO SUIT UP

only gendo can be pimp in a spacesuit

>>17338890
"Il est la mort lui même, et il n'y a rien au monde qui fasse tant mourir le monde que le monde"
But in some crappy pseudo-medieval french.
... nah, I guess it's still sounds cool.

>>17338905
Closeup of 02's boss jetpack.

>>17338910
Synch test tubes!

>>17337802
Not Dial, but...this is exactly what we're doing, actually. So far, everyone who's seen our stuff seems to absolutely love it - the only complaints I've heard so far are about minor details rather than any overall design choices. And Angels and Angelgen are indeed pretty much all that's left to actually do, beyond a touch of cleanup and a bunch of fluff and images.

>>17338919
Evas! On wheels!

You deserved more screentime, 05.

>>17338890
Merde, cet ange m'a violée si fort que je ne peux parler que français!

>>17338929
Bigger version of that last page.

>>17338925

All five people like it, really?

>>17338932
I assume that means something like 'learn to speak french, you fuck.'

>>17338929
Life support coffin. Those who play AdEva will be using this a lot.

>>17338925
Let's see it, if it's better we can shit on BMJ and otherwise we'll have 2 copies of the game out so everyone wins.

>>17338942
I don't know what this is.

>>17338942
It means, "shit this angel violated me so hard I can only speak french." or something like that.

>>17338947
Have a NERV stationary template.

>>17338925
Are you the same people who used to do Re-Write?

>>17338960
Aaaand that's it. I'll cap it off with Giant Naked Rei giving Unit 01 a blow- er, corejob.

>>17338925
>Pokemon-Evangelion crossover

>>17338978

>>17338974

Re-Write, if I remember correctly, was an official project where we attempted to add a bunch of new careers but then everything turned out terrible and we scrapped them. They did end up floating around for quite some time though.

>>17338978

Wolud someone mind putting up a .zip or .pdf DL link?
My PC can't direct download.

>>17338941
Quite a few more than five, actually. Somewhere around 20 that I know of and can think of off the top of my head, many of whom I have trouble getting to say things other than 'it's the best damn edition ever'

>>17338944
That's pretty much my plan with it. Release it once it's at a point where we think it's worthy enough of an actual public release (which is fairly soon, in all honesty) as an alternative, so that people can choose which they prefer.

>>17338974
Nah, that got canned a WHILE ago. We're the people who were asked to write up Berserker, Skirmisher, Pointman, and the xUPs some months ago, only for everything to be canned after about...two months or so?...of research and writing, due to some differing opinions. BMJ worked on his own on it from that point until about a month ago (with Elpizo), I took what had been submitted and built upon it as a separate thing, originally for my own game, though I was then asked to make it public. There's currently four games running using this version, two in the works, and I believe two others that have switched over to it since an OD-less, Angel-less, barebones version was made mid-November.

>>17339224

Oh, I saw this edition. It took the vast majority of the dev team's work/ideas and changed a few things. You're making a big deal about very little.

>>17339224
GM running one of the mentioned games here. I highly suggest you give this a shot once it's released. It's really well designed, and overall just fun to play and GM with.

>>17339154
You mean torrent?

>>17339224
>(with Elpizo)
Elpizo writing rules?
Well, there is nothing at all that could ever have gone wrong with this!

>Prodigy traits
>Unindoctrinated
>The Prodigy lacks the proper respect for
the chain of command beaten, trained or
bred into his fellows and may at any time
elect to be immune to the Command skill.

This is fucking stupid. Command IMMUNITY? I could understand if it made it a hard command test or something, but outright immunity is too far.

Impact survivors start with 23 Int and T? Strange choice.

The depth limit of 25 also seems too large, what with most talents lying at 5 or 10 depth. 20 seems like a much more reasonable limit.

The random berserking table looks force berserkers to rely on chance to be viable. I haven't looked at zerkers themselves, so I don't know if this holds up, but it's a worrying sign.

The ablative upgrade that gives righteous fury immunity seems unneeded. It's one of the core points of the DH system and removing it get's rid of some of the element of chance which, in my opinion, is a bad move. There needs to be some danger of things suddenly going wrong, thats just how evangelion is.

Weapons are full of complete wank. Burning is terrible and doesn't fit with the setting. Same applies to heat and tesla, and don't even get me started on that SRW sword. What's worse, the weapons upgrade system seems to have, against all odds, actually gotten worse. It's never clearly defined what exactly the difference between specific and general weapons are. I still can't figure out why tonfa is in the specific, or why eva-sized flails even exist in the first place.

Having the crit tables each take up an entire page is a complete waste of space, too. What was the point of that?

>>17339433 cont.

Berserkers autoattacking comrades on a 2 degree failure of a +10 WP/Fel roll is just needlessly cruel to Berserkers. Half the fun of berserk was the roll to see what happened after combat. Would you go exploring the ocean? How about killing friends, or even calming down? It was part of the fun that was clearly excised for this release.

Speaking of fun things gone, the new condition on When suddenly... that requires the pilot's life to be in danger kinda ruins most of the great parts of that talent. It used to be a fun way for an OD to fuck with pilots, or have amazing OD vs OD battles of wits and espionage. The general trend of OD's only acting as foil for pilots and not having access to some of these sweet talents outside of them upsets me.

>>17339433
>>17339476
The answer to many of those is: because super robots.
And it is not a good answer.

>omg immune to command

Some players don't want to lose control of their character?

Remember there's a link in the document to a place where you can post your comments! It is an open beta after all, things can change.

>>17339519
Command shouldn't be able to mind control pilots anyway.

>>17339476

>Would you go explore the ocean?

"Asuka, grab my EVA!"

>>17339409
Err, no. I cannot into torrents.

>>17339476
you also seem to be confusing the S2 Organ chart with the normal berserking end condition which was 50/50 to smash your teamates.

>>17339515
Especially seeing as Evangelions are more "Real Robot" type than "Super Robot" type.
(Anyone who doesn't understand these terms need to turn in his N.E.R.D. ID.

>>17339547
How can you not direct download but download PDFs and ZIPS?

Oh shit, two of my fiction blurbs got used.

>>17339583
They are super-robots dressed up as real robots.
Each has the power of God and is inherently esoteric.
Nothing Real about at fields, regeneration, becoming an angel or rewriting reality.

>>17339583
>Evangelions are more "Real Robot" than "Super robot"
The fuck am I reading ? With the exception of maybe the battery/umbilical, they're as super robot as it fucking gets, short of TTGL.

>>17339618
It's like I'm really on /m/!

There's no particular difference in realism between the two.

Most so called 'real robot' shows have tons of mystical/pseudoscience elements. VOTOMS, Gundam, you name it.

At most you could consider 'real robot' a certain style of presentation. In that sense, Evangelion is 'real robot'.

>>17339633
I think the point is that despite everything (A.T. fields, blah blah god) Eva tends to be down to earth and gritty. The series itself also focused a lot more on people and their problems than flashy fighting. And when fighting did occur it tended to be horrible for everyone involved.

Sorry it has taken so long to come back to this thread. When I awoke this morning, I found myself without power! But that is fixed now.

So, allow me to roll of my sleeves and address some stuff.

>>17339476
> Teamkilling less likely to happen
This was actually requested by people. It can still happen, and is a threat, but making is somewhat less likely was a requested feature. Sorry.

> When Suddenly...
I don't recall actually changing the text for that. After a quick check, the "when pilots are in danger" clause was there even back in V2. So that has always been the case, man. But now that you mention it, I don't see any reason not to make it more general purpose in the final 2.5.

>>17339433
> Command immunity
some prodigies like to be a bit rebellious, and being shut down easily by Command takes the fun out of that. It really is not that big a deal, I assure you.

> Depth limit too big
You might have a point there.

>Weapons
I think the weapons work as-is, but I would not be surprised if there are issues with them that do need fixing. That is why we have a beta, ect ect. Though I will admit, the claim that burning does not fit with the setting seems odd. All it does is set stuff on fire.

>>17339660
>>17339633
>>17339627
>>17339618
>>17339583
Curb your autism.

This isn't an 'argue about evangelion' thread, it's a thread to discuss the adeva 2.5 release.

>>17339598
>use "open" command instead of "save" when DLing
>"save a copy" of PDF in Acrobat
>copy+paste from opened zip folder
Seriously, technology I aint gotta explain shit.

>>17339433

> weapons, cont.
You will find under the melee upgrades section that Specific melee weapons can not be given additional Technologies, but may receive Enhancements. General melee weapons can get both. So that's really the big difference between the two.

You are right, though, there needs to be more text to define the difference between the two.

> crit tables

That was a gross format thing. Basically, our layout had technical difficulties a week before release and we lost a lot of formatting work. I had to bust ass to get this out in time for Christmas (which is also why it came out Christmas Day, not Christmas Eve). But in the time left to me, I could not match the superior formatting he did. So I could not fit crit charts 2 to a page without a lot of stuff spilling over to the next page at odd intervals.
So it was a matter of one flavor of gross or another. I decided to try and keep charts on the same page as much as possible. It is wasteful in the beta, yes. But I expect to fix it for the final version.

>>17339676
he's discussing, just because you don't agree or maybe don't like what he's saying doesn't mean he isn't adding to the discussion.

>>17339433

I'd really only have to agree with the weapons part. Heat seems like a trait that would be pretty useful in something against other Evangelions, but pretty gimmicky otherwise.
Also, it doesn't seem like there's a good tech for those who have very high strength: Chain doesn't add SB, Heat is meh, and Tesla's special rule about damage doesn't help those who have strength. Perhaps there could be a tech to replace Heat for that?

>>17339748

High strength is kind of its own reward. Chain and Tesla help people who lack it, but none of the technologies punish you for having it.

Heat, by the way, really is not in it for the power field. The power field is basically there because of the fluff. The real advantage of Heat is the +2 Breach, and the chance to set stuff on fire when dealing crit. That means that by the time Heat sets the area on fire, any further damage it does to that area is going to be more crit every round until it is put out. I like to think that is pretty sweet.

>>17339786

That makes Heat sound pretty decent for Skirmishers who could get in those consecutive hits, if still a bit too out of theme for my tastes. Does the Power Field from Heat add to the Pen and Damage?
And having high strength as it's own reward seems a bit odd. Are you trying to encourage people to have high strength with no techs, while encouraging those without it to buy many different kinds? Seems like an odd direction.

>>17339851
>Mari Evolution

Jesus, she really moved a long way.

>>17339417

Yes. I, too, think that good game designers try to instill drama instead of getting shit done. I'm sure all your sycophants agree and no one who thinks the same as you do could be wrong, right?

WHERE IS THAT 2.5 DIAL

>>17339851
I'd like her more if they went with top left.
Seriously, dat hair.

>>17339877
Bottom right is superior. DAT hair.

>>17339887
Good sir, your opinion is different from my own and due to this obviously wrong. As such we must settle this like gentlemen! I challenge you to a dick waving contest here and now.

Now enough of this talk, have at you.

>>17339919
I elect instead to apply my shin to your exposed genitals. Multiple times if necessary.

There is no fair play when it comes to such matters.

>>17339851
Bottom right but with curly/wavy/not-straight hair <3

>>17339851
The point I was trying to make was that high strength increases your melee damage regardless of tech (with the obvious exception of Chain).

A high strength Evangelion with a progressive, Tesla, or Heat weapon still benefits from their high strength. The Technology is just in addition to it. I guess we could make a specific tech that benefits you more for your strength, but I'm not sure what the fluff for it would be and I don't see a specific nice that it would be there to fill. High strength is already something that the vast majority of melee fighters will want, even without giving a Technology that rewards you extra for it.

>>17339861
Is it really so much to ask that we don't bring stuff like this into the release thread? This is a time for celebration and progress. If you are emotionally invested enough in Adeptus Evangelion to be upset over stuff like this, then why are you not happy that after all this time we finally have a new edition? One that is clearly better than Version 2?

>>17339928
Alas I have not foreseen this.

Thou shall hear of me again, as soon as my broken genitals are replaced with augmented roto-chainsaw robo-genitals.

A good day to you sir!

>>17339951
I want to see the other version honestly.

I don't like the silly mecha shit and there's some other stuff that turned my stomach last time I read your rules.
I'm hoping this 2.5 release is better, but I sort of doubt it.

>>17339990
>silly mecha shit
It's all pretty much like that.

Is 2.5 missing the rules for insanity?

>>17340014
So should I even bother reading this release then?

>>17339970
>Thou shall hear of me again, as soon as my broken genitals are replaced with augmented roto-chainsaw robo-genitals.

What was the name of that aborted class-option that let you tech out your eva with all kinds of wacky cybernetics? Because for some reason I really want to play one now.

>>17340054
Customiser.
Last I heard it was removed from the game.

>>17337919

>mfw Dr. Chandrahan has co-opted one of Amber's quotes

Actually, now that I think about it, I can see them both blatantly cribbing each others notes for their papers and speeches, in some sort of sociopath-off.

>>17340065

Definitely removed, and that was even one of the more balanced ones, believe it or not. Apostle was still my favorite fluff-wise.

>>17339990

Well then. It sounds like Adeva just is not for you either setting wise or mechanically. Sorry about that.

I wouldn't expect the alternative to 2.5 to appease you any more than what is available to download in this thread. It is different from 2.5, but not by a whole lot. Kind of the same way that a DnD 3.5 Rogue and a DnD 3.5 Ninja are different. They are not the same, but they are still sneaky and skillful guys with not a lot of armor who's best chance of dealing damage is sneak attack. If that is not your playstyle, neither of them are really going to appeal to you. Hopefully this is a metaphor that is not going to be taken to extremes and go into an in depth discussion of all the differences between certain Dnd classes.

The setting is what it is, but hopefully V3 (which will not be based on Dark Heresy) will have more palatable mechanics for you. Though I would have to know what, in specific, turned your stomach.

>>17340021

insanity functions exactly like in DH.

>>17340092
Yeah, those two careers actually had good fluff.

Are the god awful abominations like Champion and Infiltrator still around?

>>17340109

Those have been so utterly erased from the face of the earth that I'm not even sure the devs have copies (though Champion might exist somewhere).
Before anyone asks: These classes never existed, and they never will.

>>17339724
nvm, I got it

Back again.
>185 posts
My body was not ready.

>>17337950
Yeah no probs I understand
>>17337977
It's not about playstyle, it's about being fucked around. For example:
>told when making weapons not to add any new techs or remove any old techs
>everyone has no problems with what you come up with
>suddenly "sorry this isn't very AdEva"
>removes old tech HyperProg, adds new tech Heat
>>17338135
>invited to the dev team by the man himself
>did far and away the vast majority of all work on 2.5
Yeah nice try.
>>17338941
More like every dev who voiced an opinion except one, all 12 or so players in games currently running it, and the various other people that guy apparently shows on the side
>>17338974
Nope. Sorry.
>>17339373
You must be joking. It ditched every about the three classes not designed by the favourite, 5 pages of weapons and 20 pages of XUPs, and then dev team access was cut off so BMJ could do a solo draft, except then we found out that it wasn't solo at all and he let one particular dev do it.

I'll go ahead and clean up that .pdf and post it in a new thread since this one is hitting autosage. All in all I am pleasantly surprised at the lack of shitstorm since that seems to happen when I run my mouth.

The weapon upgrade 'heavy' (+1 dam, +1 pen) includes only a WS penalty. This makes it a free increase when used as a throwing weapon.

Not so bad, but combined with the fact that it never states upgrades can only be taken once, you can get a retardedly powerful throwing axe.

>>17340136
Actually I have copies of at least Customizer, Champion and Apostle. Might have the rest.
>>17339417
Now now no need for that

>>17340136
No, no, I think people should know about the clusterfuck.

Champion: character based on "typical" super robots, wrecked his allies shit, screamed stupid catchphrases and was built around the idea that the character is entitled to being awesome.

Infiltrator: teleporting stealth assassin EVA.

Both of these careers were heavily endorsed (and at least one of them was made) by a guy that namefags in this thread as Archivist, more widely known on /tg/ as PIGDOG, formerly a very active and vocal member of the AdEva dev team.

>>17340230
>since this one is hitting autosage

Not for another hundred posts.

Hammer. Throwing. Tesla. A.T. Inertia

5WUP to become Thor.

>>17340243
>Both of these careers were heavily endorsed (and at least one of them was made) by a guy that namefags in this thread as Archivist, more widely known on /tg/ as PIGDOG, formerly a very active and vocal member of the AdEva dev team.

I think you are confused. I am neither PIGDOG nor have I worked on anything remotely resembling career paths.

>>17340230

Haha oh wow you sincerely believe all of what you're saying. Well, who am I to burst your bubble, good luck I guess.

>Inhuman Biology
>Replaceable

Is it bad I want to take both of these so I can kill myself off rather publicly by 'accidentally' handling my deadly poison (say chocolate) the first session then come back just to fuck with the other pilots?

>>17340283

Actually, how the fuck do thrown weapons work?

All I can find in DH is the passage:
>Thrown weapons cover anything propelled by muscle power
alone and covers knives, axes, spears and such like. Unless they
are also classed as melee, thrown weapons cannot be used in close
combat (or if they do, they count as improvised weapons). When
using a thrown weapon you add your SB to the damage you inflict
(with the exception of explosives such as grenades).

from the armoury chapter, and the following from Playing The Game: Damage & Healing on throwing non weapon objects
>As described in Chapter V: Armoury, some weapons are
designed to be thrown. The further away the target is from
you, the harder it is to hit the target. While ranges for these
weapons are determined by your modified Strength Bonus,
this system doesn’t cover objects not designed for throwing,
such as bags of sand, bricks, and so on.

However in the actual weapon tables, thrown weapons have specified ranges and there seems to be no system of using 'modified strength bonuses' to determine range explained ANYWHERE in the book.

How fucking far can people throw shit?

>>17340324
It's more hilarious when one of the other players doesn't know you have Inhuman Biology (Citrus), and hands you lemon Snapple, because he was trying to be nice. And then you chug it cause you're half out of it and he didn't mention it was lemon til afterwards.

Which actually happened, by the way. Guy doesn't even look at charsheets.

>>17340428

Grenades and shit is usually SBx3.

I'm actually kinda wondering about running a game of Ad EVA where you specifically play as the higher ups in the organization, basically Commander, OD, RD, UN Inspector and so on. Game would be more focused on intrigue and politics then combat. While crazed and overelaborate plans for your own "personal" third impact are not required, they are however worth bonus XP.

Well it seems 4chan is back up.

>>17340260
Maybe, but it'd be kind of douchey if there are people who still want to talk about "the beta" here and it hit autosage from that.

If you want to poke at it you can see it here >>17341283

>>17340322
Yes. Of course. I must have been mistaken. I completely imagined explicitly outlined things that are still sitting up in the dev forum logs, none of the playtesters actually exist and are all totally made up, and none of this ever happened no matter what anyone will say otherwise. I just believed they existed because I wanted to.

Grow up.

>>17341299

Personally; I'm sad that you didn't use some of the more light hearted quotes later on, or some of the more bad ass quotes.
Apart from the stuff by the good doctor it appears that pretty much all the stuff in the last thread has been ignored, and there were some fantastic lines in there.
'Ich Liebe Dich' was perfect for the part on character death/defeat and small enough to be fitted in anywhere really. Not using a line like that is just a waste.

>>17341700
The thread is archived on suptg if I'm not mistaken, so who knows. Maybe some of the stuff will get into v3, it's an entirely different book after all.

>>17341700

There were a *lot* of good lines in that thread. But not every line that is good on its own work well as a fluff bit in the PDF. I was trying to keep the viewpoint speaks consistent, and the "ich liebe dich" didn't fit in well. I also already had built up the death of Hikari Moto as a thing, and felt that two powerful yet unrelated death scenes would just cheapen both. Which was the last thing I wanted to do.

As for the silly/badass quotes? Some of them were genuinely good as well. But there I ran into the problem of generated expectations. If you try to play AdEva and expect it to be a game of lighthearted badassery... it can be done. But the rules don't lean in that direction.

So don't mistake me not using something for me not liking it.

New ego and synch makes it look... really hard to oversynch now. And its basically a guaranteed fateburn.

>>17341961
Other people on the team can contradict me as they will, but as far as I know that was entirely intended as a response to intentionally oversynching being a common and accepted strategy in v2, whereas in the show going anywhere near 100%, let alone over, was incredibly dangerous and terrifying.

Yay! A belated Christmas for me, but oh well.

So, what happened to Angel Hybrid? Is it just not in the game anymore?

>>17342582
Fluff behind it was too interesting to keep it around.
So it got thrown away, like every good thing to grace AdEva ever.

>>17342582

It is at the back.

>>17342611

Stop that.

>>17342582
It didn't make a very good Asset. It showed up in every campaign, it didn't customize well, and it was something that most Manufactured took by default, giving them plot importance in their campaign above the other players as an easy buy.

This is not to say Angel Hybrid does not exist. Instead, you will find a much longer description of it at the end of the Adam's Children chapter. There, you will find a much more in depth description of Angel Hybrids in your game, as well as the tools to build your own Angel Hybrids from scratch based on a combinations of Powers, Tells and Situations.

Your Power is what being and Angel Hybrids allows you to do that is special.

Your Tell is what makes you different from a normal person in an obvious way.

Your Situations has to do with how many people know you are an Angel Hybrid, and how that impacts your character.

Road Trip!

>>17339858
I for one, would've liked to see the top-right prim-and-proper lady; it'd have made ZA BEASTO scenes a shitload more unnerving if you ask me.

Cross-asking with the other thread: How would you suggest using the 1.1 rules in >>17341283? Replacements? Throwaway stuff?

>>17343289

How would I suggest?

Honestly, I wouldn't. They are replacements for each other, for the most part. They are probably close enough that you can use parts of one with the other, but the game likely is not balanced for it in either direction.

In other news, I just found this picture and holy shit

>>17343361
Here's another picture.
Wheeee!

>>17343424

Ends in Gaghiel fight.

New Angel Designation: Loliel

Thanks for the release BMJ

>>17343433
And this one?

>>17343476

Ends in best Halloween Party ever.

>>17343482
You made me laugh. I like that.

>>17340230
First of all...

>More like every dev who voiced an opinion except one, all 12 or so players in games currently running it, and the various other people that guy apparently shows on the side

Just because they didn't voice an opinion in the Dev channel while you were on doesn't mean they liked your work. Many of us (who, granted, are a lot less active in Dev, but who do work on the system) really didn't care for a lot of your work. I may not always agree with BMJ's mechanics either, but I agreed with him on cutting your weapon concepts, for example. He was right, they didn't fit.

Secondly? AdEva is BMJ's game, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. He's always had the final say, and you're apparently one of the few people who never understood that concept. If he asks for help, he's entirely within his rights to say he doesn't like it and do something else instead. You took a ton of work on yourself, by your own choice, and you should have known that the chance existed he would turn it down. It was never a democracy. You're the only one who has gotten so worked up over him doing any of this stuff.

If you don't like it, there are much more mature ways to respond than the way you are now. Right now, you're baiting e-drama and defaming BMJ and everyone else who have helped him out while pretending to take the moral high ground.

This won't do any good, I know, but I'm tired and cranky and god damnit, someone has to call him out on this bullshit.

Now I'm just posting pictures.

>>17343287

This is your next Evangelion.

I love BMJ. It's not every day you see a /tg/ project that releases something for Christmas 3 years in a row.

Granted, it wasn't a /tg/ project during the first release, but it quickly became one a few days after it came out.

>>17343361
I'd probably use the Natural Weapon rules in the 1.1 myself; no offence, BMJ, but as presented, your Evas' Nat Weapons aren't really all that up to scratch, at least against late-game Brute Angels. Everything else is good though, at least on a first readthrough.

>>17343909
Connected to this question, would a houserule where Berserkers (and only Berserkers) are allowed to spend WUP to upgrade their Natural Weapons be okay?

>>17343888
Yeah, BMJ is pretty tits.

Sure, having one central figure running a project might cause some upsets (like tonight, or any other time someone else thinks their way is somehow more preferable) but having someone actaully running the show keep things going when any other project who devolve into crazy internecine bitch dicking. ...Which is exactly why so many of our projects never seem to go anywhere, while this one has been kicking for three straight years.

BMJ, you the real deal.

>>17343924
For balance, have the upgrade only work when the Eva's Berserk, I say; that way, you can easily explain Flaming and Tesla and all that good shit as being 'AT Field shenanigans'. Or something.

>>17343924

I think this was a rule at some point in some time in some version.

I've been through so many release and alpha and beta and proto versions of this game the past 2 years that I start to get a little confused as to what goes where.

Honestly, it's a homebrew system. If you want to homebrew it some more, try it out and see if it doesn't break. We just want to provide you with the best basis to do everything you need to do, if you want to do more, go for it.

Feature Request:

Sample Character creation.
Sample Characters/Evas.
Rei, Asuka, Shinji, Misato
Eva's 00, 01,02... 03 (un-infected)

It'd be nice to have templates we could modify

>>17343924

I'm pretty sure this is one of those things that was tested throughout many of the V2 iterations that caused much tears to be shed, and so was cut.

pic related

>>17345154
Man, I just want nat weapons that can Parry, that's all :(