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>>19866430

>>19866430
1. Powerlevels is the biggest issue. You can work around that though.

2. Player having to work for the artifact that they want solves this.

3. Alliances are often formed in Grail Wars. Of course, they're temporary. Just encourage players that want to, to team up. At the same time, encourage backstabbing.

Baron Samedi caster is best caster.

>>19866505
That he is.

>>19866505

I never knew Newton was a Baron, or that his last name was Samedi

>>19866524
Newton is Shit Tier compared to the Baron.

PvP *can* work.

There are four RPGs you can do it with: Dresden Files (with houseruling so Caster doesn't dominate), Mutants and Masterminds, Window and Fate/Only War.

#faterpg on rizon runs a game where PCs are servants and masters, using the Window RPG.

http://pastebin.com/mdbcYgUC M&M conversion

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OSjwxJ29GJCU-tLsISmOOnIOxrkIzuX_t9Mw_ubPdhk/edit
WHRP conversion

You can also BS a reason for why two Masters are working together. 2-3 masters = 4-6 players.

Powerlevels is a matter of how much balance you want and the system.

>>19866555

One of the smartest man ever? Actually real life alchemist? Mathematician, scientist and theologian?

Casters in Nasuverse have some historical possibility of magic. Newton studied the occult even tho he could've been killed for it.

He also change the world on his lifetime. Baron Samedi barely did anything noticeable.

>>19866583

Huh, I thought Baron Samedi was a witchdoctor and not a spirit. I highly doubt Baron Samedi can be summoned as a champion. He reads too divine for this

>>19866609
Nah. What you're summoning is the closest thing to the Baron, a human soul that went by that name and made many contracts with the forces that regulate life and death. He's a scary as fuck Caster, as he really only needs some of your hair to fuck you over.

>>19866609
The suptg archives have finalized version of Samedi.

Similar to summoning angra mainyu you're not supposed to get the real thing, you get the human most like him. However with Samedi that human immediately let's the spirit of the true Samedi 'ride' him, the true spirit is a master of voodoo, sympathetic magic, and the spirit can jump bodies (from servant to master and other such) allowing *stunning* reversals of combat.

>>19866625
>>19866667

I still say Newton would give him a run for his money. I mean, if historical importance gives you legendary status, Newton could be one of the strongest modern mages that ever existed, probably able to get true Magic. I mean, he could've created the philosopher's stone and done true Magic with it.

>>19866702
I'm sorry, but I like the Baron better just for antics and crazy shit.

So, me and my buddy are playing a fate based game soon.
I just learned he is summoning Patient Zero as Rider for this grail war.
two questions:
1. Can i Punch him in the dick for this?
and
2. How the hell can I counter this shit?
Lancer, Rider, Assassin (But only hassassaroni cheese), and Berserker are available.
Any Help?

>>19866753
Best option is GEEK THE FUCKING MAGE. Or punch him in the dick. Or both. Really, Patient Zero was more a thought exercise on HOW dangerous you could get a servant without Ea level Anti-World phantasms.

Caster [Harun al-Rashid]

Strength: D
Endurance: D
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: A

Skills -

Revelation - As per Jean D'arc's skill of the same name, Harun al-Rashid lives to his name ["The Rightly Guided"], having an innate sixth sense which guides him to the correct course in pursuit of his goals.

Golden Rule: A+ - Caliph of Baghdad during its richest, wisest period, Harun possesses and can acquire not just incredible worldly wealth but treasures which border on the level of low-ranking Magecraft.

Item Creation: A - Many wondrous treasures are associated with the legends of Harun's Baghdad. Items can be enhanced to perform various supernatural functions in line with his legend - Flying carpets, rings which grant command over spirits, and the like.

Territory Creation: EX - See Bayt al-Hikama

>>19866780
Noble Phantasms -

Bayt al-Hikama: Baghdad's Golden House of Wisdom [Rank EX] -The libraries of Baghdad overflowed in Harun al-Rashid's day, becoming the foremost center of knowledge in the era unrivaled even by the glory of Alexandria. In honor of his endless pursuit of wisdom, the Bayt al-Hikama gathers knowledge eternally - all knowledge which mankind has taken some effort to preserve [written histories, oral legends, data saved to computers] can be accessed through the House of Wisdom. Only information which was never preserved or which was intentionally destroyed or obscured is restricted from Harun while this Noble Phantasm is active. This also acts to allow him to identify Noble Phantasms once witnessed, since Noble Phantasms are expressions of recorded legend - however, it does not allow him to use Magecraft-based Noble Phantasms he does not qualify for, even if he understands the method of their execution, and thus he cannot use things like Prelati's Spellbook or Solomon's Key despite them being recorded in the Bayt. Replacing his Territory Creation, the palatial Bayt al-Hikama acts as a Temple in addition to its other effects.

Scheherazade's Gambit: The Caliph Walks Among His People [Rank C] - To please the Caliph, Scheherazade told him a different tale each night for one thousand and one nights, until he made her his wife. In these tales the Caliph himself plays many roles - tyrant and hero, judge and criminal, and even his own assassin. By assuming an archetypical character role, Harun gains all mundane knowledge necessary to perform that role. While acting out these roles, he is considered to have A-Rank Presence Concealment, hiding his nature as a Servant, though it does not conceal his use of Prana [making it obvious he is, at least, a magus to those able to determine these things]

>>19866778
And wait, Rider is also open? What? OH. BRAINWAVE. To fuck up his summoning, grab El Cid. He'll jump in as a Rider, taking up that slot, preventing Patient Zero from being summoned.

Would WoD work? It already has modern skills in place, and considering you have an E-A(5-level) ranking system much like Vamp Disciplines or Mage Arcana you could do it. Even Noble Phantasms would just have to be houseruled as contested effects or something, easily done in WoD.

>>19866702
Historical importance doesn't affect much, and even if it did, the baron had 400-500+ years or much longer of worship and cultural significance across Africa and southern America (when slaves started being brought over in what the 1600-1700's or so, my American history isnt that great).

He has his own days of worship and the slaves easily adapted their beliefs to accommodate him/his beliefs and christian religion.

>>19866790
Oh yeah, and his Magecraft is EX, since he theoretically has access to all recorded modern Thaumaturgy through Bayt al-Hikama. Acting without its aid, he has a Magecraft of B+ [specialty in commanding spirits and working 'miracles']

>>19866820
WoD is an OK system for this.

>>19866820
World of darkness works very well with some limitations.

who's patient zero

>>19866802
Thats a mistype. I meant Archer.
But as the game hasn't started yet, thats actually a valid strategy, thanks.
My only hope is that he doesn't try to summon patient zero as berserker or some shit.
What would that even be like?

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/tg/ is so bad at talking about Fate. So much POWERLEVELS.

>>19866858
The very first plague bearer.
He's a hax tier servant.

>>19866862
Well, we want use this shit in games. So POWERLEVELS is pretty damn relevant.
>>19866860
Patient Zero wouldn't work as a Berserker. Note that El Cid could also become Saber, but Rider is the better class for him.
>>19866858
A Servant that could end up causing CG intervention. Yes, he is that fucking broken.

>>19866835
I've found that a good way to start building mechanics is to think about the character sheet. Thoughts on what should be included there?

>>19866881
Hmm. Not really.

>>19866821
Should also be mentioned that Samedi can bind loa to bodies, and the ghede loa are powerful and pretty nasty. Just below servant level in power with sone above servant level abilities.

>>19866880
It's not like Patient Zero is really a thing in setting, considering that zombies are already a thing and they don't work that way.

>>19866904
It's a Servant, past conceptions can go fuck themselves.

Hooray! My favorite /tg/ thread!

Here's the thing about the Holy Grail War: Its a SHAM.

If you want to run a Grail War rpg, this is the key to keep in mind. Everyone who isn't an Einzbern is a patsy, even the other two families who are "in," on the trick. It's all nothing but a tool for them to recover Heaven's Feel. If you're not comfortable with a PVP backstabbing bloodbath of a game, that's what you need to focus on. It's everyone vs Einzbern, and all the forces they can bring to bear against the other masters.

They've got a mercenary army, they've got monsters dredged up from the darkest pits of the clock tower, they have super humonculi, they have mage killers, whatever it takes to make your game exciting. Have them "cheat," with their Servant to summon a deviant class, like Saver so they have access to a God, or have them alter the Player's Servants so they trigger Alaya's counter-guardians. Have them make an alliance with a Dead Apostle Ancestor so they have to deal with a Vampire/Zombie army on top of the Grail War. Whatever.

Of course, there's an even simpler alternative: Have all the PCs be on a single Servant team, a la Kiritsugu's group in the 4th War.

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How to play fate.

1. Use mage the awakening. Eliminate paradox rules, but instead cause magic to cause bashing damage if it uses mana. Have mana regenerate naturally with gnosis per day.

Use summoner rules as well.
Have Servants be retarded strong spirits whom still have human skills and merits.
Use artifact rules for noble phantasms.

Magical crests are gained with legacies, and are grimoires that are tattooed directly into the skin.
Done.

If you want to play tsukihime, use VTM and make a true ancestor bloodline. They Automatically have all the benefits of golconda. Make it a five point merit.

Have the church be a hunter compact, and have Killer clans like Nanaya and Ryougi be slashers.

Any power you aren't sure of making, simply have it as a 5 dot merit. That way you don't have to worry about it being too cheep.

>>19866929
Yeah. Remember: Eizenberns are going to cheat, Makari are going to pull body horror shit, and Toshaka are... gonna be arrogant fucks.

>>19866929
I like both of these ideas; most FATE RPs I've seen were freeform, which led to some bullshitting, and thus I think that a fa/tg/uy run grail war without all the bullshit restrictions like no guns or nobody after 1930 would be cool. Hell, maybe a Grail War that is /only/ after 1930! Timo Hayha fighting Tesla and Edison, forced together by a pact between Masters to take out the White Death, only to both get slaughtered by H.P. Lovecraft the Berserker!

>>19866821
Day of the dead presided over by Samedi is potentially scaaaary shit

>>19866956
>Slashers
As in the homebrew /tg/ briefly discussed, or the crazy Hunter equivalents of Banishers?

>>19866994
The 'homebrew' was an expansion of the normal Slashers book into a full Greater Template, IIRC.

>>19867004
You do Recall Correctly. Just wondering if your recommendation was to use those expanded rules or just stick to the base ones.

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>>19866956
Don't forget that some crests are... not very healthy to have. We're talking parasites, soul grafts, and other creepy shit.
>>19866981
Samedi in general is a scary fucker. He gets a bit of your hair, your blood, your clothes, you are DEAD, or your body is now one of his friends on the other side's playtoy.

>>19866562

Is the Nasuverse system so bad you don't even mention it or something?

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>>19866994
I was talking about slashers directly from the book.

>>19867044
Yeah, it's in Beta Hell and has pretty crappy crunch. You're better off with WoD's "crunch."

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>>19867044
Yes. It is so bad, that even Kirei can't rejoice to the suffering it causes.

>>19867020
Either would work. I'd go with the expanded, but that's just me.

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Wow, it is really hard to find pictures of Fionn despite him having canon appearances in /Zero. Fionn would likely also meet the qualifications of Saber, like Diarmuid.

Lancer [Fionn Mac Cumhaill]

Parameters:
Strength: A+
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Mana: D
Luck: E

Abilities:

Magic Resistance [Rank B] - Fionn bore a cloak which protected him from the flames of the Sidhe and a spear whose poison prevented mental intoxication. So long as he bears his weapon and cloak, he has Rank B Magic Resistance. If summoned as a Saber, this skill increased by one rank.

Bravery [Rank B] - In addition to his resistance to magic, serves as an additional resistance to mental effects which would draw Fionn away from battle, granted by his legendary slaying of a Sidhe king who used a sleeping spell to ravage the hall of the Fianna.

Charisma [Rank B] - Fionn was leader of the Fianna, a group of Celtic knights each worthy of acting as a Heroic Spirit in their own right. Though he never became ruler, his popularity was such that later kings began to fear he would claim the throne by popular demand and made war on the Fianna.

Expert of Many Specializations [Rank A]: Fionn mac Cumhaill was taught many skills by a legendary poet of the leprechauns. When instructed to deliver the a Salmon which had borne witness to all wisdom as a present to his teacher, he accidentally seared a bit of its flesh into his thumb while cooking it. By tasting this flesh, he gains wisdom on any manner of subjects.

>>19867114
Noble Phantasms:

Gae Nimh: The Dun-slaying Barb [Rank B] - Gae Nimh is the legendary spear which Fionn cast to slay the Sidhe which plagued the hall of the Fianna. Each time he cast it, it slayed a faerie of the dun, until their lord swore vengeance on him and assailed him with spells and flame. Placing the poisoned blade against his own face, Fionn breathed its venom and resisted the faerie's spells before slaying him with it. The venom of Gae Nimh is especially potent against mages and fae beings, and dispels illusion and mental influence - a bite from Gae Nimh disrupts any false mental state of a lower rank than B, but only momentarily. This includes effects placed on Fionn, which can be dispelled by simply drawing blood with the head of the spear.

Clochán an Aifir: The Giant's Causeway [Rank A] -
Fionn's strength is legendary, as is his giant stature. The Giant's Causeway is a monument to this strength, a great land-bridge between Ireland and Scotland supposedly formed by his might to challenge a Scottish hero. Fionn can effortlessly move and even throw objects and constructions of earth and stone, including buildings, whole using his A-Rank strength, imbuing them with some of his legend so that even these simple boulders act as D-Rank Noble Phantasms.

>>If you want to run a Grail War rpg, this is the key to keep in mind. Everyone who isn't an Einzbern is a patsy, even the other two families who are "in," on the trick. It's all nothing but a tool for them to recover Heaven's Feel. If you're not comfortable with a PVP backstabbing bloodbath of a game, that's what you need to focus on. It's everyone vs Einzbern, and all the forces they can bring to bear against the other masters.

This all assumes they want to run a completely canon game or bother learning every obscure/contradicting bit about the Nasuverse.

Mage is one of THEE MOST high-level WoD lines, and it'd completely, utterly fuck over any normal human who wants to be a master. Much, much more than it should.

I'd avoid using any Mage/Wizard focused games in general. It'd just fuck with balance.

Admittedly, I don't know how the balancing suggestions the poster above me made were work and I'm not very experienced in nWoD. I just know that mixed parties don't work.

Maybe use Witch hunter or Sorcerers instead.

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>>19867172
>>19867114
I like it.

>>19866964
Einzberns gonna Einzbern

Also, don't forget the homunculi. It's not an Einzbern without at least one homunculus.

>>19867196
The really scary thing is, Gae Nimh as written would even screw with things like Mad Enhancement [unless it's A Rank] or Mental Pollution, which could really fuck up certain Servants, especially any Berserker not running full A-Rank Mad Enhancment [and so far as I remember, only Lu Bu used Rank A and it basically made him a kill-bot without any real skills so I'm guessing most magi stay under B to avoid losing out on other abilities]

>>19867218
Yeah. You need at least ONE homicidal Loli, or it isn't Fate.

>>19867257
Hmm. Good point. Maybe Mad Enhancement isn't affected?

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>>19866430
Before this thread gets too big I'd like ot chip in:

I WOULDNT FUCKING SET IT IN A FUCKING GRAIL WAR BECAUSE THE NASUVERSE IS SO MUCH BIGGER AND SO MUCH MORE EXPANSIVE THAN A SHITTY GRAIL WAR.

The setting has half bloods, church executors, assassins, magi... hell you could even make a party of minormajor servants who were created by a magus to do his dirty deeds, charlie's angels style (although they wouldn't be heroic spirits).

The setting is so fucking huge and in depth. If you like the Nasuverse but haven't read Tsukihime then you are missing out on the BEST PARTS of the setting.

You people make me sad. And its not just because I'm listening to Johnny Cash.

>>19867298
Yeah, it probably shouldn't affect Class Abilities or he would make Berserkers even crazier than normal. Though the image of a bipolar-ass Berserker flashing in-and-out of Mad Enhancement every time Finn lands a shots hilarious.

>>19867347
Again, if I ran a game in this setting, I'd make it focus on the Executors.

>>19867347
Yeah, well, I LIKE the Grail War.

Admittedly I'm not as big a Nasunard as most, and have to refresh myself on the rules of the setting frequently. But I'm here for the over-the-top artistic interpretation of historical legends, because I am a history nerd.

I'm still trying to come up with appropriate Phantasms for Hannibal. Given how big an impact he made on Roman culture and military strategy, he DEFINITELY qualifies as a Heroic Spirit, but coming up with even one fitting Phantasm is difficult.

>>19867257
A dedicated "fuck you" to berserkers is actually a good use for the spear/phantasm.

There is surprisingly little 'fuck you's' to be had for berserkers. Have it take away Mad enhancements but allow more sanity-utilizing NPs.

>>19867298
The dispelled state has to be lower rank than B, right? I'd say anything the grail can cast has to be way higher ranked than that.

>>19867378
This is also true. Turn off Mad Enhancement, accidentally let Hercules the whole Noble Phantasm at you. It could be risky, though it only gives a few moments of sanity at a time.

PVP: Ancient times when the Magus Association still warred with the Church. Enforcers vs. Executors, arcane vs. divine.

PVE: Dead Apostle hunt. A dead apostle has attacked a small village and is in the process of turning the populace. Moral quandary: A person has witnessed magic being used to put down the apostles. The law is no witnesses. Do you kill him, or wait for an apostle to get him so you can kill him with less guilt?

>>19867393
Worse.
>Berserker Cu
>You are within spear range
>He suddenly can use Gae Bolg
>You are fucked

>>19867378
Take away temporarily (a minute or two each hit, with possible relapses into sanity later, making berserker even harder to control).

>>19867366
Which fits well because Executors never work alone, ever. Only one exception, which I won't go into. And no its not the one from EGO's quest, he's just portraying executors wrong.

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Rider - Manfred von Richthofen

Str - D; End - C; Agi - C; Mana - B; Luck - B

Skills: Riding - A+; Independant Action - C

Dicta Boelcke - A; This skill represents a unique method of air combat which Richthofen developed and passed down to all pilots under his command, turning all who use it into cold war machines that can overcome any foe. Combines Eye of the Mind and Charisma.

Battle Continuation - B-; Allows for escape and rejoining of battle from an advantageous direction despite moderate wounds. A safe landing is possible regardless of damage. However, overuse of this skill may lead to target fixation.

Noble Phantasm:

Red Baron (The Red Battle Flyer) - B, Anti-Unit; This aircraft was a symbol of hope and victory to all Germans during the Great War. While its speed is inferior to many other mounts, its agility in the hands of its pilot is second to none, seeming to bend the laws of reality themselves in its ability to avoid attacks and pursue enemies. It's guns are not normal firearms, each bullet carrying the deadly mantra the Baron drilled into every pilot under his command: "Aim for the man and don't miss him." Every shot is unerring in accuracy and power, on par with an Archer-class over short distances. The perfect weapon for duels and dogfights.

Jagdgeschwader 1 (The Flying Circus) - A+, Anti-Army: The true legacy of the Red Baron, as an instructor. By simply touching a normal human, he can fill their heart with the spirit of the Fatherland and enlist them into his elite squadron. His mana conjures an C-Rank NP Aircraft for them to use, and he transfers a lifetime of skill and fighting prowess to them, making even the most average human an ace-of-aces. The size of his squadron is limited only to how many mounts he can create for them. United by his leadership and inspired by the Baron's prowess, this group of unremarkable normal people can overwhelm even servants.

>>19867428
Enforcers also work in groups.
Another interesting concept would be a group of sealing designates bonding together for mutual protection. After all, not all sealing designates are complete monsters, some just have magical abilities or bloodlines the Association wants to dissect them to find out about.

>>19867419
Yeah, because what you need is a Berserker who every now and again actually knows what the fuck he's doing and is still FUCKING PISSED ALL THE TIME FUCK

Don't let Finn anywhere near your Berserker unless you're ready to burn Command Spells like a motherfucker.

>>19867491
Actually, having your berserker lose mad enhancement is a double edged sword for some heroes. In some cases, it gives them abilities they otherwise wouldn't have for short amounts of time. In other cases, it nerfs them to a point where they can't do shit.

>>19867480
Now I feel like thinking one up for Paiea Kamehameha

>>19867347

I am going to agree with you.

However, what I would do is a combination of the Nasuverse and the WoD universe. Having mages and vampires and werewolves and hunters and all of the cool things of WoD with a lot of the flavor of the Nasuverse, with one big exception.

I fucking hate the origin of the Vampires. Nature spirits? Fuck that shit. I like my vampires as Cainites. Cursed bloodsucking demons doomed to wait for their father to kill them all in a grandiose orgy of wanton destruction.

Nature spirits? Why don't they also sparkle and perhaps impregnate teen girls too?

>>19867545
>Why don't they also sparkle and perhaps impregnate teen girls too?
can't impregnate teen girls, too busy being impregnated by teen boys with magic eyes

>>19867347
Now, we understand that Nasuverse has a diverse setting, filled with True Ancestors, Dead Apostles, and ORT, but honestly, most of us really don't care.
We just want to see El Cid duking it out with Miyamoto Musashi, because Baron Samedi manipulated them both into fighting, all with ridiculous power levels.
Yes, the setting is nice, but honestly, most of us just want the above. Is that to much to ask? If the wider setting manages to work its way in, thats great. Hell, thats fantastic, the above only for a truce to be called because the church is offering a huge 2 command spell bounty for the corpse of a true ancestor found in the town would be sweet.
But honestly, we already know about the wider setting, and if we wanted to use it, we would. Please don't shove it in our face.

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>>19867554
>See picture
It's the god damned Tohno gland.
>>19867545
Mind you, one of the vampires is a planeswalker. I shit you not.

>read thread
>see lots of names
>don't know a single one of them

>>19867545
It's not that they're nature spirits, it's more they're guardians summoned by the fucking planet.

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>>19867545
You don't know much of vampires in the Nasuverse if you say they're "nature spirits". Most of them are nothing of the sort. In fact there is only one true "nature spirit" vampire left.

Even if you count the victims of those nature spirits, most of the DAA's have little to do with the previously mentioned nature spirits. So from those examples we can assume that the additional DA's are of the same caliber.

>>19867589
You realize google exists right?

>>19867568
Sorry mate but if I find the corpse of a True Ancestor, that means something REALLY powerful from another planet is here and I'm getting the fuck out of there before it decides to blink in my general direction.

>>19867606
I think he meant Dead Apostle Ancestor. And even then, I'd get the fuck out of there, because obviously, that was one hard core motherfucker that took that bastard out.

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>>19867593

But the true ancestors of Nasuverse vampires are nature spirits. The true ancestor of WoD is fucking God-Cursed Cain.

It doesn't make Vampires of Nasuverse less shitty than Edward Cullen.

Okay so.

Got Fionn and Harun, but that leaves me five classes to fill.

Any ideas I could read up on for other classes that you'd want to see write-ups for? I'm partial to Hannibal Barca as Rider, but having trouble thinking of Phantasms for him.

>>19867648

I mean, I guess they're technically nature spirits. But they're also psychotic, genocidal aliens spawned by the sentient soul of the moon for the express purpose of exterminating humanity because they're a potential threat to the entire universe.

Swamp Thing is a nature spirit too dog. Labels are just labels.

>>19867568
>most of us really don't care.
and that's why you are disgusting.

you might as well be a braindead consumer whore mindlessly buying the newest majorly advertised piece of entertainment because it has a big marketing budget behind it, drinking brewskis to smash them against your head to look cool, smothering yourself in your own willful ignorance and decadence until the day you die choking on a cheeseburger at the nearest mcdonalds.

in short: you are scum

>>19867589
OK.
>Fionn
Hardcore Irish motherfucker, who lead a group of hardcore motherfuckers. Kicked in fairy shit all day every day.
>El Cid
Hardcore motherfucker who kicked in Moor shit all day every day, is the national hero of Spain, and has decendents in the nobility of Spain and Portugal today. Also had two bitching swords.
>Musashi
Beat a guy with a sword to death with an oar. Wrote a book. Considered one of the best swordsmen Japan ever produced.
>Baron Samedi
Voodoo legend. Look him up yourself. Scary hardcore motherfucker.
>Cu Chulainn
Son of Lugh, another hardcore irish motherfucker. Died tied to a rock and laughing after slaughtering an army. Also possessed a cursed spear that always pierced the heart.
>The Red Baron
If you don't know who he is, fuck you.

>>19867648
There's also only one of these "nature spirits" left.

A dead true ancestor would basically mean Arcueid was found dead, because there is literally no other than her left

I honestly think one of the better ways to run grail war would be have two players play servants and two players play masters (with maybe another servant + master combo if playgroup is big enough) and then put the rest of the story in the dms hands.

I'd still recommend running it in modified wod.

>>19867648
Did you miss the part where the Nature Spirits aren't all that vampiric and tend to fall pretty hard once they do something Vampiric? Or the part where Nasuverses Gaia isn't the spirit of "Mother Nature who loves all her children", but the spirit of "Fuck Humanity"?

>>19867700
thank you

>Servant posts
Last time people said Angels were a possibility. As I can't make Divine horrors here are some blueprints.

Azazel the Sinbearer (Rider)
A soft faced bloke, sheepish and with deep dark eyes.
Strength D
Endurance C
Agility B
Mana C
Luck E

Divinity B
Demonic B - Reality is weak near Azazel, facilitating his prime form of attack.
Disengage B - Azazel will not be truly trapped through mundane means, and can escape mid-level Thaumaturgy.

Legion, none without sin
The sins in Azazel infect other living beings in the area. In collusion with its will, they will silently seek to support him by providing information, support or combat aid. The pasage of time will slowly corrupt these victims into low level Spirits, who serve as a focus for Azazel. It may hide inside their bodies and redirect any attack against him to one of them through the sins they share.

Scapegoat, cursed to exile
Azazel's main form of attack is reliant on its ability to move sins into multiple bodies, although the force is dependent on range. Visible as a warm of small, black pests, the sins degrade the connection of someone to their spiritual qualities. Magic Circuits clog and twist, Noble Phantasms weaken as the hero is corrupted, and the mind strains under the stress of guilt and desires.

>>19867713
Less "Fuck humanity" and more "Holy shit these guys are fucking scary get them away"

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/pinkerton.html
Allan Pinkerton, founder of the Pinkerton detective agency and terror of criminals. "We never sleep."

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/joshua.html
Joshua, Moses right hand man and the conqueror of Canaan. A general with the Old Testament God behind him.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/chingshih.html
Ching Shih, a pirate so badass that Chines government offered her amnesty because that was the only way to stop her.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/blackbeard.html
Blackbeard, so tough his body swam round his ship three times when they tossed it over the side.

>>19867713

And that tried and true plot of "Gaia the spiteful" is cool and all, but it really fucks with the modern western idea of a Vampire (read, mine).

It just feels so fae-like that would be good with a fae, but horrible with vampires.

Then again, I like my Ann Rice and 'Sallem's lot the way they are

>>19867752
And again, there is only one vampire that is a "nature spirit".

>>19867726
Dumah the Solemn (Archer, Berserker)
A well built man, his eyes blindfolded and his mouth sewn shut.
Strength C
Endurance B
Agility A
Mana E
Luck C

Divinity A
Clairvoyance C - The blindfold means nothing to Dumah, who can "see" things just fine beyond human capabilities.
Discernment A - Dumah cannot be deceived. A skill from his role at casting souls to Heaven or Hell.

Sling of Judgement
The sling that casts souls into Hell. It can be used to cast forth demons as far as the eye can discern a target, distorting reality and corrupting the Prana around them. The "shot" can be tailored to actually summon great fiends and haunting spirits, but the expense of Prana grows with the power sought to call forth. Should Dumah hold enough energy to take his thousand-eyed form, he may use it without limits on obstacles or field of vision.

Execution, tool of punishment
A bright whip made in flaming lead. A divine weapon meant to administer violent punishment for sins. Thus, avoiding the whip is as dependent on the target's Luck and Divine favor as is on his skills. Dumah uses the whip in a savage, almost sadistic manner, seeking to end all Servants, who should remain dead by natural law.

>>19867690
Dude. EL CID FIGHTING MUSASHI. I WOULD BY FUCKING TICKETS TO SEE THAT. Both were amazing swordsmen. Both were total badasses.
>>19867678
El Cid as Saber or Rider. (We need stats for him as Saber. Just remove his warhorse as a phantasm, and you should be OK.)
Viking at Stamford Bridge as Berserker.
Robin Hood as Archer. (There's about 50 of them in the Nasuverse. Go nuts.)
WIlliam Tell as Archer
Beowulf as Saber. (Already statted)
Just use the bog standard Hassan as Assassin. Or Jack the Ripper or the Zodiac Killer.
Wolf the Quarrelsome as Berserker or Saber.

>>19867730
Not really, no. Remember, she's most likely already aware that earth is slowly going to die due to humanity, hence her calling the Ultimate Beings to avange her and ORT accidently arriving to early. She just wants to fuck humanities shit up because the thought of them trampling around on her corpse disgusts her.

>>19867772
either you cant read or... i dont even fucking know

>>19867771
Israfel of the Trumpet (Caster)
A tall middle eastern man, with an agreeable mien and confident persona.
Strength E
Endurance C
Agility C
Mana A
Luck B

Divinity A
High Speed Divine Words B
Magecraft B

Trumpet of Announcement, the note of Awe
A deep note of the trumpet halts the evolutions of the world as far as it is heard, including the Master-Servant transfer of Prana. All Magecraft becomes impossible as the laws of nature stop responding, and Noble Phantasms are weakened one Rank. In this dead zone, Servants are liable to disappear if they use up their reserves too quickly.

Trumpet of Calling, the note of Rapture
A soft, clear note resonates with the land, producing an artificial leyline that provides a weak link to Heaven. In this sacred ground Magecraft (both in power and knowledge) is enhanced. As a side effect Israfel can don its flying four-winged form, with both its Mana and Luck jumping to A+ Rank.

>>19867777
Yeah really, yes. That's exactly whats pointed out in the lore you just referenced.

>>19867720
No problem. Though next time, use fucking Google.

These games always seem to start during the summoning phase. It'd be interesting to see a campaign focusing on the long buildup - stealing an artifact, learning the summoning spells, vying for a position in the war as a master. Let people get a bit more grounded in the universe before OH SHIT SWORDS.

>>19867752
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THEY AREN'T VAMPIRES, BUT THE CAUSE OF VAMPIRISM GODFUCKINGDAMNIT. There aren't even any around anymore as of most of Tsukihimes ends. Also, they never were Nature Spirits in the first place, with one single exception, the one fucking TA who actualy IS linked to Gaia.

>>19867809
That would be how I'd run a game like this. You'd have to fucking WORK for your artifact, or chance a random summoning.

>>19867809
>learning the summoning spells
You do realize that none exist right? You don't even have to initiate a ritual or gather an artifact. All you need is for the grail to choose you as a master and you WILL participate in the grail war unless you willfully remove the command seals.

If you get command seals and get chosen. You WILL get a servant. You WILL summon a servant. You WILL be counted as a participant and you WILL be killed by the rival magi as long as you still carry the seals.

>>19867834
What kind of pussy wouldn't roll the dice? Seeing what Servant you get is half the fun, and it's not like any of them are going to suck.

>>19867792
... no.
I said "she knows she ain't gonna get rid of humanity in time, so focuses on other stuff while leaving the clan-up to others" you, or whoever that was, on the other hand implied "she's trying to get rid of 'em right fucking now."

>>19867855
>... no.
...yes.

>>19867770

Which is one vampire too much. It also doesn't help that she's the main character of their main thing where Nasuverse gets most of its flavor.

>>19867822

The origin of vampirism is the corruption of a nature spirits

vs.

The origin of vampirism is Cain.


I'll take my godforsaken route and leave the fae bullshit for the fae

>>19867871
>Which is one vampire too much.
Now you just sound like an angry aspie kid.

>>19867870
Nice to see that you aren't actualy properly reading my posts. I can stop posting now.

>>19867850

Wait, then what did everyone do in that first episode of Fate/Zero? Kariya and Emiya were both clearly seen doing summong rituals.

Even if they're not strictly necessary, maybe finding a good summoning ritual ensures a stronger servant than a more slapdash one for the purpose of the game, to motivate the players.

>>19867850
Thing is, you have to compete with other mages to be chosen. And some of them might be a better master than you. So you cheat. You make sure you have a concrete fucking wish. You make sure you get the best damn artifact you can. And then you just hope for the best.

And don't forget, you CAN steal command spells. Mind you, it isn't easy, but you CAN do it.

>>19867884
You didn't even have to post to begin with, you'd always be wrong.

>>19867883

Because shit like that make me an angry aspie. That's why I said it's the only one thing that I would change in a game of Nasuverse. I grew up with WoD.

>>19867739
Joshua would make one hell of a saber.

>>19867899
Yeah. Can be done by extremely high-ranking biomancy or just chopping off the offending limb, if Sola-Ui is to be believed [and it seems like]. Also they can be willingly transferred.

>>19867871
Again. They never were Nature Spirits, just made by a Creator who happened to have slightly nature-y thematics. I'm not calling Cain a Being of Light or an Angel, just because that's what associated with his Creator, either. Of all the 26 most powerful vampires, a bunch of them propably having their own Clans, only one, Roa, was sired by a "corrupted Nature spirit".

>>19867854
Thing is, random servant summoning CAN suck for you. You can get shafted and get a spirit in a class you don't want to get, or a spirit that hates your guts. Note that if you want a Berserker, you can get a Berserker really fucking easily by modifying the summoning ritual, but you can't do it for any other class.

Plus, artifacts give players a reason to work for something. They want their Cu Chulainn Berserker or Caster or Lancer? Guess what? You'd better fucking plot how your going to steal a priceless historical artifact from someone. Or how much it might cost.

>>19867891
The rituals seem to help guide the Throne of Heroes in selecting your servant, along with your chosen artifact. And from Kariya's, it seems there is a special set of lines which ensures the summoning of a Berserker servant with Mad Enhancement, though I don't know if that's true for other classes [it doesn't seem to be - Tokiomi seemed both surprised and dismayed that Gilgamesh manifested as an Archer with Independent Action since it meant he would be harder to command]

>>19867891
They do the rituals because of a lot of things.

1. Most masters assume you have to do a ritual, although this was never the case. The system is completely automatic and will continue until it is shut down.
2. Artifacts and proper summoning rituals (which are taught to all magi with actual training) help control the servant you get. Without giving a ritual with an artifact you will be getting a random hero that fits your personality rather than one of your choosing. It would also be pretty embarassing to admit to the magi community that you didn't use one because they will assume you couldn't afford an artifact (hello Rin Tohsaka).
3. Its tradition to do it. And Magi fucking love traditions.

>>19867901
Funny. Just before you said that I was saying the same thing as you. By your own logic you were wrong too.

>>19867899
>Thing is, you have to compete with other mages to be chosen.
Nnnnnnnnnnnope. The grail chooses on its own. There is no competition. There is no way to guarantee you will be chosen (unless you can directly interfere with the grail ritual).

>>19867945
This happened to Ryuunosuke. Since he technically had no idea what the fuck he was doing, he got Gilles as a Caster, a class he was incredibly unsuited for as a former knight, which is why he's so incredibly dependent on Prelati's Spellbook.

>>19867726
Angels can't be Heroic Spirits, they're not human.

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>>19867946
Your bog standard summoning, you don't get to choose the class. You might get to choose the hero, but not the class. Unless you want a Berserker. THEN you can rig the ritual to summon one for you. You need power in your grail war because you aren't the best mage or don't have a good artifact? You rig the game, and get Berserker.

>>19867974
>Angels can't be heroic spirits because they're DIVINE ENTITIES
fixed

>>19867871
You realize that in Nasuverse terms motherfucking Thor is 'just a spirit' right?

>>19867963
You are competing to an extent. The grail judges who is suitable or not. Anything that tips the balance in your favor is a good thing.

>>19867998
Ergo its tendency to select total bastards post-corruption.

Fucking Grail.

>>19867998
Yet we can point out several characters that hasn't done anything like it.

Just stop typing.

>>19867978
And then you lose, because you get a hero with shitty stats and even worse Prana-efficency who you can boost at the cost of his actual skill at doing stuff and running dry even faster. I'm not sure why anybody would do this of his own free will.

1
POWERLEVELS ARE BULLSHIT. Nasu creates these stratified levels of power to subvert them in a ludicrous fashion.

2
Generally, you can approach this as, say, a familiar, or an NPC. Have the players be mages, the DM runs the Servants.

3
A good group can play competitively without being total pricks in real life. Find one.

>>19868005
The grail has to choose one Makiri, one Tohsaka and one Einzbern. That's hard-coded into the system.

Of course that's unless there are no Makiri, Tohsaka or Einzbern. Then the grail will just choose whatever it wants instead. Those 3 families just have priority.

You know, you really don't have to keep the war as is. If you wanted, you could do the video game thing and have, what was it? 128 master/servant pairs?

Think about it: a whole party of Heroic Spirits.

>>19867946
It is possible to manipulate the grail to cause new classes or force certain ones - but the lore checks required to do it practically require you to be an einzburn or someone with similar magical nature.

Manipulation of grail settings isn't easy.

>>19867906
You... You realize that every single other vampire is essentially run of the mill, right?

So, Nasuverse low-level game using Spirit of the Century rules.
Yay or nay?

>>19868043
And still tends to lead to unexpectet results, as does any attempt to subvert the rules

>>19868012
Insane, INSANE natural parameters.

Hercules and Lancelot are both so absurdly over-the-top in parameters that skill is practically meaningless against them. Shirou even comments about how, despite being maddened and techniqueless, Hercules's absurd A-or-better parameters in EVERYTHING allow him to pretty much steamroll most normal Servants. And he does, generally going down only to bullshit or one-shot abilities which are equally prana-costly. Lancelot's abilities with Arondight are so high he probably would've killed Saber [easily in the top 3 of Heroic Spirits] if not for Kariya's body finally giving out on him.

>>19867998

We should all try to keep in mind, this is in response to a hypothetical comment for a homebrew. We can throw out or alter a few details here and there to create a more immersive tabletop game.

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>>19868041
My question at that point is why even connect it to the nasuverse.

Hell something like Drifters is much more suitable for it.

>>19868059
But both of these were uncharacteristical of what Berserker is supposed to be in theory, with Lancelot being the perfect example what the main problem is.

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>>19868012
Why you'd do it of your own free will? A lot of reasons. You're desprate, you suck as a mage, you don't have a catalyst to summon a Servant, you hope that you can overpower the other Masters through sheer strength, etc. Remember, the Grail War is rigged. Any class outside of the Three Knightly ones, is likely to be overpowered. Berserker is a trap, but a tempting trap that has the potential to turn into something that isn't a trap.
>>19868007
And I can point that Kariya did. He went through a lot of shit so that he would qualify to be selected as a Master. He lucked out sure, but he still rigged the odds in his favor.

>>19868017
>POWERLEVELS ARE BULLSHIT. Nasu creates these stratified levels of power to subvert them in a ludicrous fashion.

>"Good luck, I'm behind 70 Fate Points"

We have never seen a servant summoned without some sort of ritual circle. Stop bullshitting. Even Uryuu was trying to summon a Servant (well, he thought it was a demon, but it was the same ritual).

>>19868052

I'd be into it.

>>19868095
>Makiri
Found your reason right there.

That's also how he could stop Sakura from being chosen for that grail war. Makiri are guaranteed to be picked.

>>19868082
Isn't that the one where Jesus is the bad guy?

Why HASN'T there been a Drifters game?

>>19868092
Berserker is Power at a Price. You exchange Sanity for Strength. It's a risky gamble, but it can PAY OFF BIG.

>>19868101
Shirou

>>19868092
>>19868059
Berserker is the only class detrimental to Herakles, as his special abilities are sacrificed while the class cannot raise his stats higher. As a different class, then, he would be placed higher in the powerlevels.

>>19868126
Catalyst was Avalon. Summoning circle was in the shed because of Iri, a relic of the 4th war.

>>19868126
Was already drawn by Iri ten years previous.

>>19868114
Note that one from the three families is more likely to be picked, it isn't a guarantee. However, Eizenberns ALWAYS get one, as they made the Grail.

>>19868148
>>19868150
Wasn't a summoning circle. In fact the summoning circle and ritual itself was provided by the grail. The reason she was summoned there was solely because it was a magus workshop.

The whole theory that its the same circle is ridiculous. We even see that she gets summoned in a different place than where Iri lies in the shed.

>>19868055
It's not unexpected results. Tinkering with the grail just causes hidden fun stuff in the code to pop up, like most videogame designers put into games!

>>19868159
The three families are always picked. It's part of the ritual.

>>19868159
Yep its guaranteed unless there is no viable magus.

>>19868159
Just stop typing. You obviously don't know much.

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>>19868171
>>19868174
Fuck, I misinterpreted that. So Kariya would have been picked regardless because of his potential as a mage? He didn't have to go into the worm pit?
That fucking sucks.

>>19868125
I'm pretty sure every single Master summoning a Berserker, except for Ilyasviel has either burned out or had their Servant turn on them. THAT's why I question the sanity (heh) of anyone willingly summoning a Berserker. That the the baseline isn't supposed to be Knight of the Round or demigod, but someone with shitty stats that only get competitive with the Mad Enhancement only makes the problem worse.

Well. I guess you can hope to luck out on your Berserker but you need LOTS of luck.

>>19868169
>fun-stuff
Am I talking with an actual fan or with Grail-kun himself?

>>19868207
The Grail selects mages that have a reason to seek the grail, something that they want from it. Family has little to do with it - the fact is, the families KNOW about the grail, and want it - so they get it more often.

>>19868043
>but the lore checks required to do it practically require you to be an einzburn or someone with similar magical nature
Einzbern*

Also you mean Makiri, since they were the ones that created the servant system. Einzbern created the rest of the system (like the actual grail) and Tohsaka provided the proving land (they owned the most usable place since there is a leyline going through Fuyuki city and almost all other leylines in the world are taken by the curch or other organisations.)

>>19868207
He'd renounced the Matou crest, so no, he wouldn't have been selected. Sakura probably wouldn't have either [being too young at the time] but would've been selected for the Fifth and tortured in preparation for the Crest. Kariya went into the worm pit because it was necessary for Zouken to give him the Crest, allowing him to participate in the Fourth War, his condition being that if he won and got Zouken what he wanted, Zouken would return Sakura to her family [and presumably use Shinji as crest-bearer instead despite his extremely shitty potential]

Otherwise it probably would've picked Byakuya as the Makiri for the Fourth War, who would've died in like, the first day.

>>19868174
>>19868171
>>19868169
>>19868168
>>19868159

The Grail War and the Summoning process can work however you want it to work, because the Grail War is fictional. If you want to stick to the rules of Nasu, then that's fine. If you just want to use it as an excuse to get Blackbeard and Billy the Kid to fight one another, that is also fine.

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People trying to figure out the exact specifics of the HGW ritual are retarded. Nasu plays faster and looser with his rules than anyone. It's fucking magic. The ritual works because it is fated to. Magic makes it works. Stop squabbling over the specifics.

>>19868207
Dunno. The Grail System still seems to care about the familys preferences. Just look at how Acht or Irisviel didn't get picked, but their representative from the outside did.

>>19868207
>>19868223
The grail guarantees the most useable member (holder) of the current family magic of the three families gets chosen. If Kariya hadn't jumped into the worm pit Sakura would have been the most useable member of the Makiri "family" even though she is not blood related because she would be the only wielder of the Makiri magic with useable magic circuits.

The more you know~

>>19868234
Grail HAS to pick a Makiri magus if there is one that has useable circuits. it doesn't give a fuck about age.

>>19867347
We get it you prefer Tsukihime, we've seen similar posts about this before. Some people just like the idea of the Grail War and may not even give a shit about Nasuverse.

>>19867419
The thing with turning it off is, if you look at the 'template' stats for a Berserker, they have comparably shitty stats.

There really isn't a big issue with changing the setting (or ripping out the HGW from the setting and putting it anywhere else) or having PCs be Masters AND Servants. Masters can still go after the other Master or provide Prana for their Servant.

>>19868256
I smell a plot hole in that logic. A serious plot hole.
>Kariya
>Stronger magus than Sakura
Really? Are you really serious here?

>>19868256
Sakura wouldn't have been picked. Zouken as much as says that he's pretty much planning for Byakuya to forfeit the Fourth and just rape an heir out of Sakura thanks to her absurd number of circuits on the assumption that sixty years from now, he'll have a decent heir to give the Crest to for the Fifth.

>>19868234
The entire point of the Kariya segment was so he could TAKE HER PLACE in the fourth war and prevent her from ever becoming a Makiri magus overall.

>>19868223
>The Grail selects mages that have a reason to seek the grail, something that they want from it. Family has little to do with it - the fact is, the families KNOW about the grail, and want it - so they get it more often.
>Family has little to do with it
>Implying Einzberns, Makiris, and Tohsakas doesn't have a granted place on the grail war.
As >>19868171 said, the 3 families are always picked.

>>19868288
Zouken says he's PLANNING TO LOSE THE FOURTH WAR OR NOT PARTICIPATE, and that Sakura is explicitly there so that the Matou can win the FIFTH WAR. Sakura is intended for the Fifth War, why would he risk her life in the Fourth? Also, she's not technically a Matou magus yet - she doesn't have the crest or know any of their magecraft, she's just been dunked in the worm-pit. Kariya's plan was to win the Fourth so that Zouken wouldn't need Sakura or her [almost undoubtedly produced by rape] heir to enter the Fifth.

>>19868282
At that point in time Sakura wasn't even a real Makiri magus yet. She'd had like a few days in the worm pit to realign her being to become a Makiri rather than a Tohsaka.

Please just stop typing.

>>19868314
>why would he risk her life in the Fourth?
Most likely he wouldn't. But he can't do shit if she gets chosen other than to hand the command seals in to the church, thus stopping her from ever summoning a servant and preventing her participation in the fourth.

Thus she would be in the fifth war unless there was a better candidate at the time.

Its like I really have to think for every single one of you.

>>19868320
>Or it would have picked Zouken.
I'd pay to see him torn between being scared to die during the War and paying any price to finaly get true immortality.

>>19868342
And why would she be chosen? She's not a Makiri yet. She doesn't have the crest [Presumably Zouken or Byakuya do], and she's only spent a couple days in the worm pit. Kariya explicitly says that if he wins the Fourth, Sakura gets to stay out of the Fifth and is returned to the Tohsaka. He's not taking her place, he's trying to preempt her ever being chosen in the first place by winning the Fourth, which Zouken has given up on because his own heirs suck balls.

>>19868342
It's like you're making up completely unsubstantiated shit and trying to pass it off as canon.

>>19868361
>Zouken
>dying
Choose one.

>>19868319
Note that that is what I was getting at. She wouldn't have been picked ANYWAY. Zouken would have had a better chance, or Byakuya of being picked, as ACTUAL MAKARI LINEAGE MAGI. Saying that Sakura would have been picked due to her strength as a mage is utter bullshit.

>>19868363
>And why would she be chosen? She's not a Makiri yet.
Because if her training had continued she would have been a Makiri. Just like Kariya was turned into a Makiri magus, although Zouken would guaranteed have used other methods for training. You could already see she was already almost a Makiri because her hair had changed colour. That's why her hair colour is so substantial to Kariya on their first meeting after she gets adopted.

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>>19868363
you know the crest is rapeworms right

she is the closest one to having the crest other than zouken (before Kariya comes along) because she is getting raped by worms. No one else has it, because they have not been worm raped/eaten.

>>19868376
I'm not saying that he will die, but that he's scared as fuck of it. Pretty much the only thing besides random evilness that still makes up his remains of a personality.

>>19868221
I'm not grail-kun silly anon-san, I just know that if you tinker with the infinitely complex holy coffee maker without knowing the manual by heart, you're probably not going to get espresso's anymore

>>19868379
>Byakuya
>no magic circuits
>getting picked
he isn't a valid choice you fucking retard jesus christ just shut the fuck up already you complete and utter nincompoop

>>19868379
see >>19868399

Seriously just stop typing.

>>19868422
He has a couple weak as fuck ones, I think. In otherwords, he qualifies, Zouken makes him waste his spells suiciding his servant, makes him run off to the church for protection.

>>19868379
Do you even realize there is a period between Kariya accepting the HGW to stop Sakura form suffering to when he is full of rape worms, ruined face and white hair or did you just assume that happened at the instant he said yes?

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>>19868422
Discussing Fate on /tg/ is painful. /a/ might waifu war, but at least they know most of the canon.

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Mordred - Lancer, Saber or Berserker

Str - A; End - A; Agi - B; Mana - A; Luck - D

Skills: Riding - C, Magic Resistance - B-, [Mad Enhancement - D - Intense hatred and irrationality born from neglect, selfishness and a naive world view. Can lead to wild, unpredictable and self-destructive acts]

Instinct - B-: Born from the blood of the King of Knights, Mordred possesses much of her natural battlefield prowess and skill. However, his imperfect Homunculus body and natural temper hampers his senses to a degree.

Idealism - B; An artificial lifeform with a childlike naivety, Mordred sees the world much like a storybook, with absolute ideals of good and evil, right and wrong, and just rewards. This skill provides protection from mental interference, but if overwhelmed by a superior ability can leave him doubly vulnerable to effects. Stacks with Magic Resistance for resisting Command Spells.

Charisma - C: Mordred posses a certain low cunning that makes him a capable manipulator of emotions. It makes him popular with those who have weak personalities, insecurities or personal grievances he can easily exploit. This makes him popular and well-liked by most everyone, but is not a skill fit for a ruler.

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>>19868456
>>19868431
I realize this. BUT note that Zouken probably would have stopped to make sure that she wouldn't get the spells, OR if she did, make her summon a servant and suicide it.
>>19868457
Updated for you.

>>19868457
i doubt this guy has done anything besides lurking threads and perhaps watched f/z and then he comes in here after reading tmwiki and pretends he knows fucking everything

>>19868502
Seconded.

>>19868475

Noble Phantasm:

Clarent (The Coward’s Blade) – A, Anti-Army; An enchanted sword whose power was said to be of a kind with Caliburn. Forged by his own mother, the enchantress Morgan le Fey, using her own imperfect knowledge of the magic of the Fairies of Avalon, as much a shadow of Exalibur as Mordred himself was of Arturia. A copy born from copied spells, it lacks Excalibur's power. However, it has the power to ignore any manner of shield, armor or other passive defense if the attack is made head-on, a gross mockery of Chivalry.

Coron Artur (The Capacity to be King) – B, Anti-Army; The Crown of Camelot, as much a symbol of the rulership of Britain as the Holy Sword. Mordred seized this treasure while his father was on a military expedition, declaring himself rightful king. If worn upon the head, the crown fills all who gaze upon it with sensations of awe as the dream of Camelot overwhelms their hearts. Reduces the will to fight and the offensive statistics of any opponent who raises a weapon to the wearer. Has a small chance to negate the activation of a Noble Phantasm once per battle.

Rhongomiant (The Adder of Camlann) – C+, Anti-Personnel; One of the weapons of King Arthur, this spear took Mordred’s life even as he struck Arthur down at the Battle of Camlann. A weapon of infinite bloodthirst and power, it was said that to be controlled it had to be bathed in virulent poison. When it is first used, the spear will corrode any metal or flesh that it touches instantly, and kill normal humans even without breaking the skin. Every minute the battle continues, the poison weakens, and the spear’s power increases one-half rank. When fully awakened, a single blow could level a mountain.

>>19868516
>>19868502
I've actually read the fucking VN and the Fate/Zero LN. I'll admit my knowledge isn't spot on, but it's enough to get by for the most part.

>>19868457
>>19868457
It doesn't matter, 4chan is mostly secondaries wherever you go anyway.
/tg/ is just more civil.

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>>19868502
>tmwiki
Note to all fa/tg/uys: Please do not ever, ever read the tmwiki. It is composed of lies and fanwank.

>>19868543
>/tg/ is just more civil.
Chortle snort muffled laughter etc

>>19868557
Seconded. It's good for a basic outline, but not much more.

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>>19868558
Alright it was hard for me to say that with a straight face too.

>>19868475
Now do Morgan!

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*pops in*
And here I was about to create another thread when this one is going strong. Anyway to answer those questions.

>1. POWERLEVELS
Two possibilities, one is make sure there are no PC magi strong enough to summon a servant full power (Which is bullshit) or simply keep from allowing summons from the Fate/Series, and have players create their own servants based off of history with a set number of points to build and GM approved NPs

>2. The Master/Servant dichotomy
Ehh, this ones a little harder. Either keep total number of players to 7, each controlling their Magus and Servant, or randomize who gets who and take catalysts out of the equation, its not the best solution but its the best one I got.

>3. The PvP nature of such a game
Use a maptool or something similar to keep players away from each other, or divided by multiple maps/ fog of war, and perhaps set up ways of contact and information gathering for Masters to gain information and contact one another? Plus it may be smart for the GM to have a servant if possible to stir things up Ex: Ilya with BAHSAHKAH, or Kotomine with Lancer.

>>19868537
protip: when people repeatedly tell you you're wrong and that you should shut up you should probably shut the hell up instead of backing into a corner

not like i will believe you actually read anything other than subtitles and tmwiki

>>19868582
He could always go the Fate/EXTRA route and have more than 7.

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On that note (hah), I actually know of a Grail War being hosted using the Nasuverse RPG system using maptool and Skype if you're interested. I think there's still 4 spots open, 2 masters and 2 servants, or something similar (I'm not the GM, just participating) and it would be good if we can get this started soon.

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>>19868588
I don't mind getting backed into a corner. And you want proof I've read the VN?
This is a shoop of a bit of Nine Bullet Revolver, the first time Shirou removes a bit of the Shroud of Martin. Your move motherfucker.

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>>19868628
He could also go the "not nasuverse route" and just do heroes from time battle it out.

>>19868645
>Your move motherfucker.
Not that guy but... Goddamn you are sad. You could have gotten that from any thread in 4chan.

I'm just gonna filter you now.

>>19868645
>>Your move motherfucker.

You sure are getting worked up. Please grow up, be the mature one and just DROP IT. You're derailing the thread by arguing further. And you're on a *chan, which mean some people just want to see you get all pissy. Just stop.

>>19868645
Dude, calm the hell down.

>>19868645
see >>19868677

>>19868677
Most obscure bit I could think of outside of a few things that could be serious spoilers off the top of my head.

>>19868692
Calming the fuck down. Sorry man.

>>19868660
This is really a good idea. Don't limit yourself OP.

Just take the trappings of the HGW you like and disregard everything else.

And wouldn't the Church in nWoD be a Conspiracy, since they're aligned with the Vatican like that other Roman Catholic Hunter conspiracy?

>>19868660
Every Nasuverse thread on /tg/ is fanwank about how your created servant has stats and can do stuff somehow related to their story.
No Atlas fanwank, no Mages Association fanwank, no Church fanwank, no "how to trick the consciousness of the world and reach the origin" fanwank.
Drifters could be an awesome game without servants.
Hell, if you want actual world figures, you can totally play a "Legend of Koizumi" based game. I'd totally play Vladimir Putin playing mahjong with awesome moves and swag .

>>19868719
You mean the Executors? Yes. They would be a conspiracy.

>>19868713
anything you post could potentially be from a thread on 4chan, just so you realize

>>19868630
You MotherFucker You Go To Tineye Right Now And Upload A Bigger Image Fuck FUck FUCk FUCK FUCK FUCK FCUK I HATE THUMBNAILS

>>19868730
The Church is actually far, far larger than the Burial Agency, bro. There's more to it than that.

>>19868719
Well to be honest? They kind of ARE already.

>>19868742
Yeah. I have read the VN though. And the Fate/Zero LN's.

>>19868725
>Atlas fanwank
>Mages Association fanwank
>Church fanwank
>"how to trick the consciousness of the world and reach the origin" fanwank.

Good god we need more of these in our everything

>>19868756
see >>19868588

i mean really, repeating yourself?

>>19868749
I was assuming he was talking about the Executors, not the Church in general man.

>>19868725
To be fair Servants is just one of those things pretty much everyone seems to enjoy
because it's Alexander squaring off with (genderbender'd) King Arthur.

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I am the Rattlesnake of Texas.
Stone is my heart, and Cold is my blood.
I have defeated a thousand champions
From crazed psychopaths to Death himself
Have withstood pain to retain my title
Yet I must defeat still more

So, as I pray... Unlimited Stunner Works.

>>19868767
It's easier to make up stats for things that exist than make shit up entirely.

>>19868767
When the majority of /tg/ users have stopped being >>19867568 and decide to actually read the source material we can have that.

SPOILER: That means never.

>>19868768
Can we stop with this shitposting from the both of us man? We've taken up enough of the thread with this faggotry. Let's just drop it.

>>19868796
you just have to stop replying with content that needs rebuttal, like i have been doing for some time.

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>>19868786
King of Wrestling, do you have enough steel chairs?

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>>19868786
People's King
Do you have enough Spines

>>19868791
Nothing stopping you from making a Nasuverse thread. Stop acting all high and mighty to those of us that want Myth/History fight club.

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>>19867347
>>19868791
>>19867568

I cannot make Fate/Notes fast enough it seems.

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>>19868853

>>19868853
Yeah, really. It's always the same one guy coming in here asking us to read Tsukihime or whatever. Personally, I just like the basic idea of the Holy Grail War.

I either don't like or don't care about vampires, indepth knowledge on their magic, sifting through all the contradictions or stupid shit like PUT A DICK ON FEMALE ARCHER SO SHE COULD HAVE A KID.

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>>19868839
>>19868822
>>19868786
BAH GAWD, THIS GRAIL WAR'S TURNING INTO A REAL SLOBBERKNOCKER

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>>19868895
BAH GAWD
LOOKS LIKE THE ULTIMATE BERSERKER ENTERED THE FRAY

>>19868856
>>19868856
I might be in for this Skype game

Skype name is theacidtruth

>>19868883
>PUT A DICK ON FEMALE ARCHER SO SHE COULD HAVE A KID.
Uh, what? OH, yeah, that. That was Saber, and Merlin though it would be funny. He didn't expect Morgana to well, make Mordred.

>>19868883
Should I accuse you of being the same guy who turns every general nasuverse thread into a fatefest?

Because what you just said is really stupid and immature.

Stone Cold Steve Austin
>Class: Berserker
>Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
>Strength: A+
>Endurance: A
>Agility: C
>Mana: E
>Luck: C

Ability: The Texas Rattlesnake
Stone Cold is a master of attacking when his opponents least expect it. Stone Cold's first attack after using Shatter Shard deals double damage.

Noble Phantasm

Shatter Shard (Personal, Rank A+)

Stone Cold Steve Austin is more than just a man; he is a force of nature, inscrutable in his actions and with no moral compass but his own. Should Austin wish to do so, he may make a Strength check against a target's Luck check to break into a close reality marble. This action, if successful, allows Austin to appear within the marble and move freely for a limited amount of time without interference from the marble's owner. In addition, a successful use of Shatter Shard results in a loud sound similar to hundreds of window panes being broken at the same time.

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>>19868960
Damn shame his Phantasm is sealed as a Berserker

>>19868873
Riddle me this, then: Why do you think Nasu came up with the war in the first place? As an excuse to get figures from Myth and History to fight, because that's cool.

I see it as a letter vs spirit sort of thing.

>>19868996
Thing is, do you even need an excuse?

>Solomon the Wise (Caster)
>Alignment: Lawful Evil (Originally Lawful Good)
>Strength: D
>Endurance: D
>Agility: C
>Mana: A
>Noble Phantasm: EX
>Luck: A

Skills:

High-Speed Divine Words (A): Thanks to a divine blessing, Caster may cast any spell he knows within the time-span of a single turn. He also knows the true language of angels and Yahweh, increasing magical potency.
Thaumaturgy (A): Caster can cast nearly any spell known to mankind, and knows several that have been lost to the ages.
Territory Creation (A): Caster can create a "Temple", a more effective version of a Workshop, form which his magical potency is increased, and he gains a moderate resistance to outside mana and prana sources. Originally a place of cleansing, Solomon's Corruption now allows him to build in both holy and unholy locations (churches and bloody battlefields, etc.)

>>19869013

Noble Phantasms:

>Decree I: Swords to Plowshares (Rank C, Anti-Army)
With a single awesome command, Caster curses all mundane weapons within a 2-mile radius to crumble into dust, neutralizing enemy forces. This curse does not affect 'possible' weapons (Axes, Swords, guns, tanks, etc. are wrecked, but shattered bottles and bats are unscathed, for example), nor does it affect Noble Phantasms.

>Demon-Controlling Artifact: Ring of Solomon (Rank A, Anti-Group)
A golden ring which rests upon Caster's left hand has a blood-red gemstone set within it. This stone is actually a Marble Phantasm containing 300 various spirits, djinni, and demons, all of which answer to his beck and call with total loyalty. These demons may only be summoned up to 10 at a time, but have such abilities as wielding fearsome blades (Treat as a Rank D Noble Phantasm) and possessing the corpses of those slain by violence.

>Decree II: The Balancing of the Scales (Rank EX, Anti-Unit)
A Noble Phantasm that is Yahweh's original gift to Caster, now corrupted in to pure, unbridled greed. When activated, the stats of a single opposing Servant and his own are balanced in a redistribution of "equality". If, on the other hand, the Servant was a follower of Caster's God, be it Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, etc., Caster instead receives the highest attribute stats of both Servants, while his opponent is left with the worst of the stats. This effect is permanent until Caster himself dispels it.

>>19868936
The whole discussion has been about Fate, and you see people asking about Fate all the time instead of things outside of the Holy Grail War in most Nasuverse-related threads. Just like you or someone else said, most people don't know or don't care about the nasuverse at large.

>>19867419
>Holy coffee maker
Bwahaha
>>19868416
Now imagine your "knightly" berserker suddenly getting really mad at you when he has a sane moment, because you've been making him kill innocents to get his mana up. This would be *very bad news* for a master

>>19869008
Well, excuse might not be the right word. Device? Tool? Something that justifies having Achilles, Solomon, and Musashi together in one place to duke it out.

>>19869030
>This would be *very bad news* for a master

The command seal prevents you from being attacked by your servant.

>>19868979
What other classes could he be, really? Unless you're a flyer/technical wrestler like Rey Mysterio (who probably counts as a Rider or a Lancer for dat leg/ring work) you're probably a Berserker.

>>19869046
Time machines?

>>19869057
Well, technically speaking, high Independent Action might break that restriction - it's more fear of being forced to instantly kill oneself that restricts Servants, from what I've seen.

>>19869066
Now you got me wanting a Bill and Ted game!

>>19869097
>Bill and Teds Excellent Grail War
Fund it!

>>19869063
Archers.
No real specialization, just one hax ability, independant action and average stats.

>>19868979
What: Austin 3-16?

I'd root for Undertaker & kane, Goldberg, sting, mankind, Brett & Owen Heart, Or ultimate warrior, or possibly the rock.

Come to think of it a lot of wrestlers could make amusing servants. The Hitman heart as an assassin, mankind / undertaker as caster, sting as lancer or rider maybe, ultimate warrior / Goldberg as sabers, that little giant slayer fucker as archer or assassin.