Sitting side by side with Kaliel, arms slung around one another's shoulders, the two of you watch the city of Triune's gift, below, as the sun slowly sets. The ring on Kaliel's finger gleams, unnaturally, the eye in the wrought silver just as amber as Kaliel's own, and the same color that the sun is casting across the whole of New Arcturus. You watch the ogres herd the nervghul into a larger, open dome, feeding and brushing them, speaking softly. Elsewhere, you see some lizardmen, along with Sanoklek, scooping mud on some of the plants they'd brought from their homeland.

"It's beautiful." Kaliel said.

>>20733800
No need to say anything.

>>20733800
"Hmmm, I wouldn't have dared to dream we would get this far in so little time."

Or just say nothing and hug Kal a bit more.

>>20733800
Just enjoy the moment. God only knows something going to happen to ruin all of this.

You don't say anything, simply sitting there, tightning your hold on Kaliel.
"Hey, Ishelda." Kaliel said suddenly, meeting your eyes. "I have a very important question for you. Would you like to... ride a dragon?" She asked. You feel her heartbeat suddenly speed up, beating out a staccato tune, and her body exploded outward as the temporary spell wore off, peeling away her human form. The enormous, red dragon looked down at you, and rested her nose on your forehead. She smiled, showing you layers of sharp teeth.
<For some reason, it feels like I'm a lot better in this form now.> She said, looking down to one of her claws- it was pure silver, gleaming unnaturally. <What else did you do to that ring?>

>>20733870
"Magic." Just grin.
"And yes, I'd love to ride a dragon. The last time I did that was wonderful."

>>20733870
<I already told you I don't know. I think it's an artefact.>

<Ring, can you talk?>

>>20733870
"I'm not at all sure. There's part of my soulfire in there, though."

"Magic." You say, reaching toward the ring to see if it could speak. All it showed you, when you examined it, was the enormous, dozen-chambered heart that lie inside Kaliel's dragon form.
<Obviously.> She responded, sheathing her claws. They slid inside of the dragon's feet, and reminded you strongly of a cat.
"I'm not at all sure." You say. "There's part of my soulfire in there, though. I think it's an artifact."
<Well, if it's an artifact, then there goes all hope of understanding it.> She said.
"And yes, I'd love to ride a dragon." You say. She sticks out a leg for you to use as a ramp, and you climb into the crook of her neck again.

<Now, I've never done this before...> She said, taking a few steps back, before leaping off of the cliff face.
The two of you started falling immediately, before Kaliel spread her wings, and the dragon's entire frame seemed to stretch, before she was able to turn falling into gliding. And from gliding... into flying. Kaliel's wings beat hard, her tail snaking from side to side.
<This is easier than Kalak form.> She said, breathing deeply and struggling

>>20733950
"You already doing better than I ever did as a Kalak."

>>20733964
>You already
You're already

>>20733950
<Maybe it's the ring helping you, you said you felt better at it. You might be better at flying in Kalak form too. We'll have to work out its effects better.>

>>20733964
But that's a lie, we flew perfectly fine as a Kalak.

>>20733981
Weren't we pretty much exhausted after 100 metres of flight, or so?

>>20733950
"Easier? You're so big, though."

>>20733992
The first time we tried, I think so.
She's already breathing heavily and struggling right at the start which is still worse than that.

Quickly gliding down toward Triune's Gift, your hair fanned out behind you, blown back by the wind.
"Easier?" You asked, having to yell over the wind. "You're so big, though!"
Her head twisted back to look at you for a moment.
<So are my wings!> She cried back, and your ring buzzes as she laughs, exhilarated. Swiftly, you flew above Triune's Gift, and she quickly got into the scheme of things, her strain lessening as she soars higher, ever higher.
She opened her mouth for a moment, breathing in a wisp of cloud, and laughed again. <This was the *best idea* I've ever had!>

>>20734041
"*Really*?"

>>20734041
"I'm finding it difficult to argue!"

"I'm finding it difficult to argue!" You cry to her, and she laughs again.
<Hang on!> She said, and you grab ahold of two convenient bony spikes sticking out of her scale. Promptly, she stopped ascending, and folded her wings, pulling downward into a dive. Your stomach went topsy-turvy as the two of you entered freefall. Kaliel waited, calmly, for just the right moment.
The dragon between your legs roared, as the two of you tore out of the air, almost faster than gravity should be able to pull you, down toward the city.

One of the ogrish children happen to look up, and says something. One by one, the still-working people of Triune's gift looked to the sky, where something small, small and red, came falling down toward them, faster than belief.

Before, of course, the small red object expanded, into a dragon, roaring happily, wings spread, and slowing down, the two of you slow to a stop, running across the courtyard of the star-shaped castle, before slowing to a stop, claws digging into the dirt.

Breathing heavily, Kaliel relaxed, laying her head on the dirt.
<You okay up there?> She asked, as Marigold and Redglare clapped, from marigold's flower garden.

>>20734148
"Rarely felt better."

>>20734148
"Not, sure wanna hurl and laugh at the same time. Gonna say yes."

"Not sure." You say, over your pounding heart and still-roiling stomach. "I want to hurl and laugh at the same time. Rarely felt better."
You climb down off of Kaliel, and her eyes are half-lidded as she rests there, in the courtyard.
<That was... exhausting.> She said, curling her legs underneath her, laying down, her tail still twitching this way and that. <And I didn't even get to fly you upside down.>

>>20734244
"Well, one more reason to do this again, then."

>>20734244
"Next time.

And who knows. Maybe I'll fine a way to repay you for this little ride before then." (wink)

>>20734244
"Probably for the best. I doubt I could have held on if you had turned up side down.

Are you strong enough to turn back? If not I guess we'll be sleeping under the stars tonight."

"Next time." You say, patting her nose. "And who knows." You whisper. "Maybe I'll find a way to repay you for this little ride before then."
Feeling a little self-conscious, you wink at her. In response, she lifted her head, and gave you a 'dragon kiss', which mostly involved being in close range of those multi-layered sets of teeth. <I'll look forward to that, then.> She said.
"Are you strong enough to turn back?" You ask. "If not, I guess we'll be sleeping under the stars, tonight."
<I would be if I borrowed some energy from Jormungandr.> She said. <And I do have a lot of things to get done, but. . .>
She rolled onto her side, curling into a large 'C' shape, tail still flicking. <But I'm exhausted. I might just nap here for a bit.>

>>20734351
*Sigh*
"One down side of this form is it isn't fluffy. Oh well, I'm sure a few pillows and blankets will do the job."

*Have someone gather some pillows and stuff. Enough to make Kali comfortable and make a nest for yourself. Snuggle up and sleep under the stars.*

You make your way to go find a page, and send him off to grab a few blankets and pillows. "One downside of this form is it isn't fluffy." You say.
<A fluffy dragon would be weird.> She said, her eyes still closed. You lay down on her belly, using the soft, scaleless area there as a pillow. It was warm under your touch, and rather comfortable, despite the thick skin there. <And I don't think it would be able to fly, either.>

Soon enough, the pillows and blankets arrive, which you use to make a little nest, leaning up against Kaliel's belly, cuddling close. Her wing stretches out, and covers the blanket, tucking you in. "You want some pillows?" You ask.
<Thank you for asking, but I'm fine.> She responded. <Something about this form is that I'm comfortable no matter what contorted position I'm in.>
As the two of you sit there, the sun finally set, you stare up at the stars, and eventually drift to sleep.

"Blasphemer!" Qu'az snarls, waking you up. Her eyes are slits, and the portions of her jaws are vibrating, the tip of her tail whipping this way and that. "You take the form of the great wyrm, healed? You seek to impersonate a god?! Blasphemer, heretic!" She's ranting, before snarling a few words in a different language.

Kaliel's still asleep, her stomach shaking softly as she snores. Qu'azriel doesn't seem to realize that she isn't awake yet, and continues ranting.

>>20734502
"Qu'az, this isn't the form of the great wyrm. It's the form of a dragon. We've never even seen the great wyrm."

>>20734502
"Calm down Quaz. No one is impersonating a god, this is just a dragon.

They are a race that once lived in this world but I thought they were all gone.

Are you sure this is what the great wyrm looks like? The great wyrm is a dragon?"

>>20734502
><A fluffy dragon would be weird. And I don't think it would be able to fly, either.>
So fluffy wyverns are perfectly ok but as soon as you give them an extra set of legs they're weird and impossible.

I guess this confirms it. The great wyrm is a dragon.

From the description Quaz gave it's obviously badly hurt and probably has some serious mantel damage.

Damn, her people must be stupid. They worship a crippled, mentally retarded dragon as a god just because it's 'big and pretty'?

"Calm down, Quaz." You say. "No one is impersonating a god. We've never even seen the great wyrm. This is just the form of a dragon. They are a race that once lived in this world but I thought they were all gone."
"Lies, now lies!" She snarls. "If you haven't seen him, how could you have made this?!"
"Quaz, I can prove it." Raziel said.

The snakewoman twisted around, her tail lengthening, coiling quickly around Raziel's legs.
"Then do so." She said, her voice low and sensual. Her jaws continued vibrating.
In response, Raziel opened up a mirror, and pushed it in front of Quaz's eyes.
"There are ruins, not far from this continent, on an island." Raziel said, softly. "They contain the remains of old bodies of dragons. I have, up in Jormungandr, a massive skull of one. They have existed before."
Quaz pulled away from Raziel, perfectly silent.

>>20734609
>They worship a crippled, mentally retarded dragon as a god just because it's 'big and pretty'?
That's just Quaz's side of the story. And if they're all like her then I can definitely see it. But others might have different views, religion is like that.

>>20734531
Great Wyrm is a term used to describe an elder dragon, anon.

>>20734642
>Her religion and worldview: shattered
Tread veeery carefully.

>>20734642
"Raz, can you summon the dragon spirit?

Look Quaz. This is the spirit of a dragon that lived long ago. We'll be heading east to the lands of your people in a few days, if you like we can visit that island and show you the other dragons."

>>20734689
A great wyrm is an old dragon.
THE Great Wyrm is the thing the snakefolk worship.

>>20734608
>Sgragol and wyverns are different. They're a pair of wings with tails, for the most part, with legs as 'landing gear' while a dragon is a four-legged beast that just happens to have a tail and wings.

Quaz's eyes darted from you, to Kaliel's sleeping form, and back to Raz. Then she ran, her tail slithering as quickly as she possibly could, still facing you. She was... *terrified*, eventually nudging up against the wall of the keep. She didn't stop looking at any of you, absentmindedly scrabbling at the wall of the castle, as if trying to dig through, her tail coiling up beneath her as she writhed wildly. She was mumbling something to herself, her fingernails scratching against the wall.

>>20734642
"Not being a god doesn't make him any less magnificent. You look after him because you like him.

rolled 75 = 75

>>20734787
>hurray, off campus so I can play too for a little while!!!

"whats wrong?"

"'quaz calm down, this is no true dragon only a copy, yours, The Great Wyrm is the last and the last of anything is always truly special.""

>>20734787
Please clam down Quaz. It'll be okay, nothing's going to hurt you.

<Kali, Wake up! Change out of the dragon shape quick.>

>>20734787
So fluffy cliff racers with legs?

"Please, calm down, Quaz. It'll be okay, nothing's going to hurt you."
In response, she continued babbling, louder.
"Not being a god doesn't make him any less-"
Qu'azlith *wailed*, miserably for almost ten seconds. Her entire body seemed to crumple, her coils writhing up and covering her human-like torso, until it was little more than a pile of moving snake tail. Faintly, you could hear sobbing from the inside.

>>20734884
Is this the bit where we give her comforting warm huggles?

>>20734787
"Please, calm down. You aren't in any danger, I assure you"

>>20734884
Go over to her.
"Qu'az, listen. You like the great wyrm don't you? Even though he's not what you thought he was, he hasn't changed. Taking care of him is a good thing to do regardless of what he is."

>>20734938
I don't think the sharp teeth are the problem. It's probably something to do with finding out her entire society's structure, culture and religion was built on a lie. That might have shaken her a bit.

Gently, you walk over to her.
"Qu'az, listen." You say. "You like the Great Wyrm, don't you? Even though he's not what you thought he was, he hasn't changed. Taking care of him is a good thing to do, regardless of what he-"
The snake woman bursts into movement, quickly coiling up your legs and arms. First, it was tight. Next, it was *extremely tight*. And a moment later, pain washed over your body as one of your bones shatter.
"You did this!" She snarled, and her jaws split into five portions. Her maw was... awfully large. "This is *your* fault!"

>>20735025
Rolling to calm

>>20735025
"...what did I do?"
<Kal wake up or I'll see that you never get a cookie again.>

rolled 33 = 33

>>20735025
reach out with magic and stop her.

with gentle force disentangle us from her.

"no, now tell me why you are so upset"

<kaliel get back to a different form, human or kalak now>

rolled 20 = 20

>>20735025
Bigger stick. Meaning a repelling force field.

rolled 82 = 82

>>20734884
Eh.

Cast sleep and move on.

<Kaliel, REALLY need you to wake up now>

>>20735085
Also where's Raz at. You think she knock Qu'az out here.

>>20735025
Awe shit. Flare up our soulfire, that will make her let go and back off a bit.

"Quaz, what do you think is my fault? I haven't done anything, no one has.

You've learned something new about the great wrym today. His species is called dragon.

Is that really so bad?"

"...what did I do?" You ask, gritting your teeth. You quickly send a panicked message to Kaliel, who snaps awake.
"You lied." She snarled, her eyes slits. "You built illusions to convince me of your falsehood, and for a moment, for the shortest moment, I *believed* you."
Suddenly, she let go, backing away. You fell to your knees- apparently it was one of your ankles that had been crushed.
She backed even closer to the wall. "You had no reason to lie to me. Why? Why would you do that?"

>>20735135
Oh great, she's in denial.

>>20735135
"I didn't lie Qu'az. Like you said, I have no reason to lie to you."

rolled 32 = 32

>>20735135
I don't think it matters what we say now, reason has left the building.

Rolling to magically dope her. Just something to keep her calm and docile while she can process what she's learned.

If the roll doesn't work ask if Kali can do anything.

"I didn't lie, Qu'az." You say. "Like you said, I have no reason to lie to you."
"Then you're *wrong*." She snarled. "The Great Wyrm is no dragon."
You raise your magic to send the snake woman to sleep, but then someone spoke.
"You're right. We're mistaken." Kaliel said, in human form, sitting down on top of the pile of clothing. "Perhaps your Great Wyrm and dragonkind are only similar in appearance."
Raziel looked like she was going to say something, and then closed her mouth again.
"Just... leave us to our blissful ignorance." Kaliel said, her eyes bright red. She got up, and slowly walked toward you, taking your shoulder. Your leg immediately went numb. "Please, Qu'azalith?" She asked.
The serpent woman slid down the wall of the keep, collapsing again.
"I'm... sorry." Quaz said, finally.

rolled 34 = 34

>>20735276
Nah, mind link, show her what we know of the dragons.

>>20735306
>By 'clothing', I mean bedding.

>>20735306
To be fair, she's right. The Great Wyrm can't actually be a proper dragon or there'd be demons everywhere.

>>20735330
Maybe, maybe not.

If the spell hinges on the sacrifice of the species then one dragon could still exist.

A species with only a single individual is an extinct species.

Unless this is like DnD where dragons can breed with EVERYTHING then their race is effectively dead. That might be enough for the spell to still work.

Or not. It might just be a shape shifter that suffered brain damage and can't turn back.

Guess we'll find out when we meet it.

A moment later, the soldiers arrived, led by Nahzit. A dozen glaives pointed at Qu'az, ready to skewer her, and Kaliel knelt by your ankle.
"One second." She said, her eyes still violently red. She touched your ankle, and painlessly, it felt like it *twisted*, and then your sense of pain returned, her spell inundated with shapeshifting. "I healed it." She said.

Raziel sidled over to you. "I, uhm, made things worse, didn't I. I shouldn't have showed her."

>>20735306
"Thanks Kali.

It's okay Quaz, just relax. Tell you what, Kali will make you some nice rodents and we'll find something nice and warm for you to curl up with.

It'll be okay, soon we'll visit your people. Well be able to heal the great wyrm then we can just ask him who he really is.

He'll probably tell us he's not really a dragon, he just looks like one and we'll feel silly."

>>20735461
"I don't think there's any way that could have gone well.

Sorry for making light of your god, Quaz."

"Thanks, Kali." You say, and get to your feet again. "I don't think there's any way that could have gone well."
You turn to Quaz, who is currently standing very, very still, glaives pointed at her.
"Sorry for making light of your god, Quaz."
"What would you like done with her, your majesty?" Nahzit asked, glaive in hand.

>>20735527
"Just let her go."

I guess we can't go the "who lays hands on royalty loses their hand" route, so just leave her be.

"Just let her go." You say, and he nods.
"As you wish."
The other lizardmen share a look, and then lower their glaives, stepping away... but you note that they're close enough to intervene, if things get out of hand.
Qu'az simply covered her face.
"I- I shouldn't react like that." She said. "To someone who's being so nice to me. I... I need to calm down. I'm... I'm sorry.""

>>20735527

This is actually a good question. Should we try to talk with her for now? I'm not sure what there is to say, really.

She's pretty much delusional, so I'm not sure how much reasoning there is to be had with her. (Nor why we should want to do it.) She's obviously a danger considering that she was quite willing to hurt us.

I suppose we have these options

1. Reason with her, two problems here, lolreligion and also for what purpose?
2. Forget this ever happened (assuming she allows us to do that) and hope she doesn't feel like attacking us again in the name of her religion.
3. Not let her live in the castle with us anymore. (For everyones protection).
4. Throw her in the slammer. (I'm not sure what the punishments for hurting royalty is in the rest of the world, but I'd assume that prison time is lenient).
5. We could go check out the dragon they've got chained up, but that would probably not help our relation any, and considering the fact that she's on the run from them us bringing her might be a bad idea.
I'd suggest them in order of 1,3,2, 5, 4.

>>20735527
"Please assign a couple men to look after her, make sure she doesn't harm herself or others.

Kali, could you make her something to eat?"

*call nearby page*

"Have a room prepared, one with a nice warm fireplace in it."

>>20735623
I think perhaps a better option than those you've suggested is to simply talk it out without the goal of reasoning with her.
In cases like this, it's often more important what the other person feels rather than if they're right or wrong. We need to get her to a point where she's emotionally stable before doing anything.

Just sit down with her and ask her to tell us more stories about the Great Wyrm. That should calm her down if anything.

After that we can try reasoning with her.

>>20735654
Yeah, I vote for option 6. Make her comfortable and give her time to calm down.

If she's in the mood for it , talk to her, about whatever she feels like talking about.

If/when she's actually capable of reason again we'll try it then.

>>20735646
This, but go with her. Insist not having any guards inside with us, it should be a one on one thing.
"Quaz, could you tell me more about the Great Wyrm? I'd love to hear stories about him."

That's a good point, but we'd need to calm her down to do any of them (except possibly 3,4), so calming her down first is pretty much implied.
The question is more of a "What do we do once she's calm enough to do anything with".

>>20735616
"It's alright Qu'az.

We could get something to eat or drink some tea. Tea always helps me calm down.

Maybe you can tell us more about the 'Great Wyrm.' Stories your people have told about it and such."

If at any point Kal protests: <Kal, we just shook her as bad, if not worse, than when you discovered there with other created creatures.>
If at any point anyone other than Kal protests: "That's an order."

I don't really think that argument would convince Kaliel. I can't remember what she did exactly, but she didn't break any of our limbs, did she?

>>20735738
pulling rank on your lover when its not vital seems pretty shitty to me

"Kaliel, could you make her something to eat?" You ask. Kaliel nods, and picks a blade of grass from the ground. Closing her eyes, you feel her heart beat that strange, stattaco rhythm, and cup her hands. When she opens them, there's a small, fluffy animal that looks like it was made mostly of pudge, kicking it's legs and limbs randomly.
"Here you go." Kaliel said, handing it to Quaz. The snake woman ate it whole, swallowing it still-live.
"It's alright, Qu'az." You say. "We could get you some tea. Tea always helps me calm down. Maybe you could tell us more about the 'Great Wyrm.' Stories your people have told about it, and such."
"They don't have many stories." She said, eyes still closed. "And... I don't remember most of them. Not enough to tell them. I... I should go somewhere cold. Cold and dark."

>>20735704
>"What do we do once she's calm enough to do anything with".

Mostly up to her. We have to visit the Children' to sort out the whole assassin thing.

She can come with us, or not.

She can stay and make a new life in Actures, or not.

She can cling to her faith and continue believing the wrym is a god, or not.

We just have to see how she deals with the new information.

>>20735767
"Why? I thought you liked warm places."

>>20735767
"Why should you want to go someplace like that? I'd really like to talk with you."

>>20735767
I'm sure there's a cellar somewhere she can hang out to think and chill out. Send someone to check up on her after a while.

"Why? I thought you liked warm places."
"I- I like warm things." She said. "But cold things calm me. Make me sleepier... and happier. And stupid. I'd really like to be stupid right now."
<That does make a bit of sense.> Kaliel mentioned. <They are cold blooded.>

>>20735767
>I should go somewhere cold. Cold and dark.

"Awe Quaz, no. I'm not sending you anywhere cold and dark.
We're going to find you somewhere warm and comfortable.
We can talk if you want, about anything you want.
Or you can just relax and sleep. I bet you'll like curling up on a rug and sleeping in front of a nice warm fireplace wouldn't you?"

>>20735804
"If that's what you really want, I'll take you somewhere like that.
But I was hoping I could take you somewhere warm and talk with you."

>>20735818
Slow typing. Disregard.

>>20735804
"Okay Quaz, we'll find you somewhere nice and cool for you to rest."

"Okay Quaz, if that's what you really want, we'll find you somewhere nice and cool for you to rest. But I was hoping I could take you somewhere warm and talk with you."
"After I almost ate you?" She asked. "We can talk somewhere cold, but... why do you trust me?"

>>20735869
"Because I know what it's like to have your entire world view suddenly shift like that, and I want to help."

>>20735869
Because I'm more powerful than you could possibly imagine. The only reason you're still alive right now is because I am able to control my emotions, and because I chose to not turn you into a small pile of dust.

>>20735915
IMO, threatening a crazy chick right after she had an episode isn't the best idea.

>>20735926
It only seems threatening to a little baby back bitch.

It's an answer to her question, and probably the truest one.

>>20735945
Yeah, especially considering Ishelda can throw firlballs, or do anything else she wants to do.

>>20735945
See
>>20735654

Truth isn't always the most important thing to consider, especially in the case of a person who's crazy or bordering on crazy. How they feel usually matters more in getting through to them.

>>20735869
The important thing is, you didn't eat me. Everyone gets mad sometimes, and it's perfectly understandable why you got mad. The important thing is you didn't eat me.

Yeah, let's NOT threaten or intimidate the crazy chick.
Do >>20735926 instead.

>>20735985
Derp, meant to move it to the end not copy it.

Derp. Clicked on wrong post. I meant this >>20735902
This too >>20735985

"Because I know what it's like to have your entire worldview suddenly shift like that, and I want to help." You say. "Everyone gets mad sometimes, and it's perfectly understandable why you got mad. The important thing is, you didn't eat me."
She nods, and presses the back of her hand against her own belly. ". . . I should go somewhere cold and sleep." She said, meekly, her hood flattening against her cheeks and neck. "I- I don't want to talk right now."
You turn to a page and ask him to lead her to the darker dungeons in the castle, and to make sure she was comforable. The page nods, rather wary of the serpent woman following him.
"This was... an interesting way to start the day." Kaliel said, looking down to her ring. "I felt that there were... three of her, in there."

>>20736030
"What do you mean?"

>>20736030
"How so, Kal?"

>>20736030
"Three of her?"

Experiment with the ring.

"How so, Kal?"
"I.. don't know, exactly." She said. "But I could feel when she was.. angry, or sad, or hungry."
"Three of her?"
"It was like she had different... segments of personality. One was pleased to be in the sun, and hungry, and happy when I gave it food, but the others... one was in pain, with crippling self-doubt, ashamed, and embarrassed. The last one was... full of hatred, and bitterness. Something cold. I think it was this ring.

>>20736059
>Experiment with the girl.

FTFY

>>20736071
"I suppose then she needs time to reconcile those three selves."

rolled 27 = 27

>>20736071
Rolling to delete her personalities and replace with a cutesy girly personality that is suitable to The Queen.

rolled 82 = 82

>>20736108
retry.

rolled 16 = 16

>>20736112
one more.

>>20736071
Three personalities? Odd.

Alright, I'm gonna drop the subject after this, but I think people are waay to relaxed about someone hurting us like that. She could just as easily have snapped our neck instead of our ankle, or poisoned us (I doubt she can eat us very quickly). I'd say letting her calm down is reasonable, but we should at least have someone keep an eye on her.

We don't want her hurting anyone else should she suffer another bout of insanity, do we?

>>20736112
>>20736108
>>20736123
Quit that.

>>20736108
How about no, because that's basically murder, and also a /d/ fetish.

Wasn't there already a Bad End concerning mind rape?

rolled 100 = 100

>>20736123
I guess I should have stopped rolling. Hooray for dyslexia.

>>20736156
oh my what

>>20736156
And then we have 100 that does nothing.

>>20736156
Haha. What about that.

>>20736136
No, but at the same time she's going somewhere cold and she's cold-blooded. She's going to be sluggish at best for awhile.
Furthermore the trigger that set her off to begin with has been resolved.

If she had snapped our neck, then there was nothing we COULD have done, and if she'd actually tried to eat us not only could we ourselves have fought back, but both Raziel and Kaliel in dragon form were right the fuck there, as were about a dozen guards within seconds of getting to us. They wouldn't have let anything happen.

>>20736071
"Hmm... We don't even have a name for the ring yet."

>>20736156
Yeah, no. We're not doing this. Even with a nat 100. It's a morally reprehensible thing to do and disturbing as fuck.

"I suppose then, she needs time to reconcile those three selves."
"Maybe." She said. "But that hatred... I don't know why that was there. It was there, like the rest of her, but just... waiting." She shook her head. "I need to figure out how not to read emotions with this, now. It feels like Sardriel."
"Hmm... we don't even have a name for the ring yet." You say.
"Well, everything has a name like 'the Mind' or 'the Heart', or 'the Fell'... " She said, and looked down at it. "You said part of your soulflame went into it, so why not... the Soul?"

She shook her head, and then turned to you, and suddenly kissed you. "I'm sorry I wasn't awake. Just nudge me, and I promise I'll be awake. Or do the wet finger in ear thing." She said. "Or whatever shenanigans you have to, I won't be angry."

>>20736156
>Trying to become Void Queen
>Get nat100
Me Gusta.

>>20736202
"You'll forgive ANYTHING?" Evil grin.

>>20736203
It's just a waste, we already had a mindrape everyone bad end. And there's only one Void Queen and we already became her, it's not going to happen again.

>>20736171

I still don't really see an argument against keeping her under guard.

Worst case scenario: She goes bonkers again.
Best case scenario: She manages to deal with it.

In one case her guards deals with it and prevents shit from hitting the fan, in the other case she might feel bad about being under guard.

I don't want to make a big deal of it, and I suppose Exa wont pull a "ha ha she killed someone because you left her alone" but simply hoping that everything is okay now that she's stopped attacking us is way optimistic.

Hey Exabyte. Can we use that nat 100 to bank a fate point?

It seems wrong to waste another one with no action.

>>20736256
I would like this, since some faggot wasting good rolls on stupid shit is just pitiful.

>>20736256
Actually there was an action. It was to magically 'fix' the crazy girl. It'll probably get ingored, though.

Exabyte loves that shit.

>>20736272
>>20736256
why is a 100 special. it has the exact same chance to appear as any other number.

>>20736202
> Or do the wet finger in ear thing
"I didn't want to risk that while you were a dragon. Waking you up confused with those claws and teeth could get.... Messy."

>>20736276
Because consensus was "fuck that"
Just because you yell the loudest doesn't mean he listens to you.

>>20736287
Because higher is better, doofus. A 10 isn't special because there's a 90% chance of getting 10 or above. A 100 is special because there's only a 1% chance of getting 100 or above.

>>20736272
That's pretty much what this quest is about, The only difference between what I said and pretty much every other thing is that you mostly agreed with it before.

>You can't stop the fun train.

"You'll forgive *anything?*" You ask, giving her a grin.
"Absolutely anything." She said. "Because I don't think you'll try to wake me up by tearing my arm off, or setting me on fire."


>>20736256
>I usually don't, but what the hell, why not. Don't expect me to do this with every unused 100, though.
>You can, but you'll have to confirm. Roll 1d100, and the DC is 75 or higher.
>Taking only the first roll.

>>20736276
>Consensus was against it because it's mindrape.

>>20736307
I meant that he would completely ignore the 100. It would be probably the fifth time that I remember him doing it. He ignores 100s a surprising amount.
Just because you're retarded doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

rolled 12 = 12

>>20736340

>>20736287
Is that a real question?

High numbers = success. Low numbers = failure.

Rolling the highest number = 'Suck it Jesus. THIS is how you do a fucking miracle!' Epic success.

Rolling the lowest number = 'Why did you do that? We're all fucked!' Epic fail.

>>20736340
>>20736350
Oh look I was right.

RetardAnon, see post >>20736349

>>20736373
Well, you're right about it being left unused, but not about it being COMPLETELY ignored.
It was just mostly ignored.

>>20736350
NNOOOOOOO!

>>20736350
We don't need no stinkin fate point round here.

Think of it this way guys, a roll represents Ishelda's ability to do something.
A consensus represents her willingness to actually do it.

low roll+high consensus = willing but unable
high roll+low consensus = capable but unwilling
low roll+low consensus = DERP
high roll+high consensus = Fuck prophecy in the eye, I'm a goddamn QUEEN.

>>20736340
"Probably not."

>>20736407
A fate point gave us Brick-kun.

Don't dis the fate points, they give us such wonderful things.

"Probably not." You say. She wraps an arm around your hip, and gives you another kiss, ignoring the fact that there are several lizardmen, Nahzit, and Raziel in attendance.

Marigold rushed up to you, panting. "I heard something happened, and everyone was gathering here. What's going on?"

"... I smell cookies." Kaliel said.
"Yeah, Cassie was teaching me how to make them but that's not important. What happened?"

>>20736484
"Apparently, the Great Wyrm that Quaz's people worship is a dragon. We did not know this, and there was a incident that was resolved."

>>20736484
"Quaz got upset that Kal looked like the Great Wyrm. You're learning to make the cookies? But you can't transmute the chocolate. When will they be ready?"

"Apparently, the Great Wyrm that Quaz's people worship is a dragon." You say. "We didn't know this, and there was an... incident, that was resolved."
Marigold nodded. "So it was religion that was involved." She said, her voice terse. She seemed... very unlike herself.

"You're learning to make the cookies?" You ask, quickly changing the subject. "But you can't transmute the chocolate. When will they be ready?"
"In a few minutes." She said. "And I can't transmute the chocolate... yet. Cassie intends to try to teach me and redglare magic. He's... not very good at teaching, to say the least."

>>20736484
"It seems that the great wyrm is a dragon, or something that looks like a dragon. When she saw Kaliel taking the form of her 'god' she had a.... crisis of faith of sorts.

Wait.... What do you mean Cassiels cookies aren't important? Are you trying to hoard the cookies?"

>>20736553
>"So it was religion that was involved." She said, her voice terse.
Marigold's going to end up as one of those militant atheist fags at this rate. Thanks Gary.

"Do you have to spend years getting in touch with your magic, or does your talent help with that like mine did?"

>>20736553
"...I just imagined Redglare with a robe. It's quite amusing."

"Do you have to spend years getting in touch with your magic, or does your talent help with that like mine did?"
"I don't know." She said. "Cassiel won't explain it properly. Apparently, Redglare is doing what Cassiel wants us to do, but I can't. Or don't know how."
You quickly imagine Redglare in a robe, casting spells, and you giggle. The scarred, fight-happy hobgoblin didn't look like the type to become a wizard.
"... I just imagined Redglare in a robe." You say. "It's quite amusing."
"I could go put on a robe, if you wish." Redglare said, approaching with a plate of cookies. He still wore his massive, bolted and welded armor, but his axes were nowhere to be seen.

>So it was religion that was involved." She said, her voice terse. She seemed... very unlike herself.

Guess she's still got some baggage from the Garreth/Rogue incident.

While I remember, did anyone else figure out that old man from the antique shop was the Scholar for the Actures pantheon?

I wasn't around for that thread so couldn't say anything at the time. Has it been mentioned since?

I guess we know why the gods didn't help against the demons; the fuckers ran away to this world.

We should keep an eye out for them. They might not be up to anything bad but they might be trying to set up a new cult to replace the one they lost in our old world.

If these fuckers think they can set up a religion and take over here after they failed in Old Actured they can fuck right off.

>>20736656
Acquire cookies and tea, try to relax after being nearly being choked by a crazed lamia.

>>20736656
"You brought cookies, that's enough to keep me happy for now. How's the wizarding going?"

>>20736656
"I don't think a robe would suit you."

Let's sit down and enjoy some cookies and tea with everyone. This has been a stressful start to the day, we should unwind.

Chat with Mar and Raz, be all sickly sweet with our puppy love and feed Kali cookies and stuff.

>>20736659
>did anyone else figure out that old man from the antique shop was the Scholar for the Actures pantheon?
Someone mentioned that that might be the case. It doesn't really matter.

"You brought cookies. That's enough to keep me happy for now. How's the wizarding going?"
"It's not." He said, and chuckled. "It's difficult to learn something while cooking, and even more difficult to learn something from Cassiel."

Everyone, even some of the lizardmen, grabbed a few cookies- Kaliel, you see, snuck an extra portion, while Marigold quickly sets out some tea.

"So, yesterday, while you were riding the dragon." Marigold said, as you and Kaliel are eating her purloined cookies. "I was looking after the plants the lizardmen brought us, and I think some of them might be useful. The Vineapples, for one. They take a lot of water, but you just water them with some algae they grow in these clay pots, and then slather them in mud. I gave a page or two some of the fruit, and it looks like they aren't poison. A bit chalky, though."

>>20736766
"Your methods of poison detection are so humane, you would have healed the page but it's still funny.

How nutritious are the Vineapples? Have you tried various methods of cooking them?"

>>20736766
"You just fed it to them to test it? What if they'd died? Next time ask Kal to have a look instead."

"Your method of poison detection is so humane." You say. "You would have healed the page, but it's still funny."
"I didn't think it was poison." She said. "Apparently they sell the vineapples to hobgoblins and elves, and they eat it fine. I just had to make sure while I was right there. My talent deals with poison, and it didn't stick to them after they ate it, so it's fine."
"How nutritious are the vineapples? Have you tried cooking them?"
"I'm planning to make a pie with them later, but I don't know how nutritious they are." She said. "And I don't know how to check."
"I could take a look." Kaliel said.

>>20736842
Please do. I'd like to know how many people we can feed with them and compare that to the amount of space they take up to determine if its worth setting lots of them up.

"Please do." You say. "I'd like to know how many people we can feed with them, and compare that to the amount of space they take up, to determine if it's worth setting lots of them up."
"I'll see what I can find." She said, and turned to one of the lizardmen. "Excuse me, but could you get me one of these vineapples? I'll pay you with a cookie."

An eaten cookie later, the lizardman returned, a long red fruit in one hand, and an even longer vine on the other.
"This is a vineapple." he said, handing her the fruit. "And this is striplisk. Different plant."

Kaliel closed her eyes, and through The Soul, you feel her heartbeat pound out that strange rhythm again, and then she opens them. "These hardly have any energy. But they're full of nutrients. Like the stuff you find in fish, actual apples... it also has a lot of starch."

Next, she grabbed the long vine.
"We peel them open, and eat the innards past the thick skin."
"Right." Kaliel said, and closed her eyes again. "A lot of energy, but it has a few minor poisons. Not enough to kill anyone unless they eat an entire crateful, but enough to keep in mind. I don't think it builds up."

>>20736988
Do you think you could make a version of it that is able to reproduce and doesn't have the poisons? These seem like a good start to becoming self sufficient.

>>20736988
"Right, so they're best used as supplements to other foods, the striplisk we should only have eaten in small amounts and preferably find a good way of cooking it that removes the poison, boiling tends to do the trick, and if the poison is localized in a certain spot we can just deal with that."

Take the steps needed to start up vineapple production and a smaller production of striplisk that is used sparingly and mainly to fiddle with cooking methods to deal with poison. Maybe we can selectively breed the poision out of it, if its possible it won't take as long as we can go through a generation in a really short time with Marigold around.

>>20736988
"How do they preform as a crop? Do they require a lot of maintainence? How many harvests can they produce each year? Stuff like that.

One his high energy, the other is rich in nutrients, do they go well together? Could they be mixed in a stew or baked goods?"

>>20736988
Crossbreed the fuck out of those crops.

>>20736988
>low in energy
>High starch

Pick one please.

I will admit that starch is a slower form of energy.

>>20736988
I assume that low in energy but high in starch just refers to the fact that complex carbohydrates are processed more slowly, so they're not immediate energy

I also assume that high in energy means high in simple carbohydrates which would be glucose or fructose, a more immediately digestable form of stored energy.

>Either way, BREWING TIME!!!

>>20736988
Can we ferment either of them?

>>20737074
>Fuck it, I got things mixed up.
>Vineapple are high in energy, sugary, chalky, starchy
>and then Striplisk are high in nutrients but also has the minor hallucinogenics and poisons.

"Do you think you could make a version of striplisk that is able to reproduce and doesn't have the poison?"
"I don't think so." She said. "I always have trouble with reproduction. It just doesn't... work properly."

"One is high energy, the other is rich in nutrients... do they go well together? Could they be mixed in a stew or baked goods?"
"Perhaps." She said.
You turn to the lizardman. "How do they perform as a crop? do they require a lot of maintenance? How many harvests can they produce each year?"
"Well, erm, striplisk grows really quickly if given enough sun and water. We set up big frames to grow them on, but you need to rearrange them every day to give them more space to grow. Vineapple has to be buried in algae and muck, and it's ready in a few months, but it grows year round."
"Can we ferment either of them?"
"I.. don't know what fermenting is, Mother Ishelda." The lizardman said.
"The vineapples should ferment fine." Kaliel said. "Why do you ask?"

>>20737181
We can ferment both, they both contain carbs. Whether they'll actually make a nice drink is another question.

>>20737223
Clearly she needs more experience with reproduction. We shall have to educate her later.

>>20737223
"I want to know if Vinecider is good."

>>20737223
"Because beer is the cornerstone of civilization. It keeps well, allows you to channel excess crops into a different food that lasts a while, it maintains high nutritional value, it makes people happy. Also I happen to like alcohol.

>>20737223
"Are either of these used in making swamp brew? That would be fermenting. Probably.

We should set up a few a few fields of these, we can expand more later, but variety is always good. Someone tell Ghenna."

"Because beer is the cornerstone of civilization." You say, and give her a smile. "It keeps well, allows you to channel excess crops into a different food that lasts a while, it maintains high nutritional value, and it makes people happy." You say. "Also, I happen to like alcohol, and I want to know if Vinecider is good."
"We really need to try that sosarian wine or ogrish mead sometime." Kaliel grumbled. "I hope it's a lot better than swamp brew."

"Are either of these used in making swamp brew?" You ask.
"We, erm, mulch the leftover striplisk skins and filter everything through it, and a few other things." the lizardman said. "And we mix vineapple juice into it. I'm not a shaman so I don't know the exact practice. I'm sorry."

"We should set up a few fields of these. We can expand more later, but variety is always good. Someone tell Gehenna."
"Yes, your majesty." Another lizardman says, and he trots off to find the busy kalak.

>>20737351
More ingredients to the list found.

"Well I personally like Swamp Brew Kaliel but I can see why they don't fit your taste. Most people don't have the stomach for it. I think we can find you some mead, in fact let's go do that."

>>20737351
What time is it, lunchtime? Breakfast? Are there any matters of state we need to sort out before we can do silly things?

>>20737351
<Hey Void Queen, you're me so you should have a ring. What were you trying to tell me before?>

>>20737402
We should probably call up the leaders of the various provinces and set up poaching various craftsmen and the like. Maybe ask Cerulean if we can invite Darius over.

Alright guys, I know we've shelved this Quaz thing for now, but I think we need to bring up the idea of punishment. She did knowingly and with intent of harm physically assault a head of state, and normally that sort of thing results in execution. I think we can be a lot more lenient than that due to circumstances, but both she and everyone else in the kingdom needs to know that shit don't fly.
First I suggest we post a guard at her door both to ensure the safety of the page, and to escort her directly to us when she's ready to leave being cold. At which point we can talk to her and try to see how much of a danger she poses to herself and others.

If she poses no threat, I suggest X number of years in service to the state, the form of which is to be decided by her aptitudes and willingness. She'd be provided with food, lodgings and whatever she needs to do her job (probably brewing), but would not be allowed to leave the city without our express permission.

If she is unrepentant and/or cannot be reasoned with, but is otherwise not a threat, I suggest banishment.

If she is clearly a threat to herself and/or others I suggest imprisonment.

Thoughts?

>>20737456
>First I suggest we post a guard at her door both to ensure the safety of the page, and to escort her directly to us when she's ready to leave being cold.
That's perfectly reasonable.

>If she is clearly a threat to herself and/or others I suggest imprisonment.
Also a reasonable precaution but I don't think it will come to that.

>other punishment
Remember when Gehenna tried to kill us and we forgave him and gave him a title and now he's running most of the country? That's just how we roll. We even forgave Eidolon and set him free once it was clear he wasn't going to be a threat any more. All she did was break our ankle.

>>20737456
I think she's mostly option 1. She is repentant, and we have heaps of guards to stop her from hurting people. But I do think we should do something.

Personally I'm all for putting her head on a pike, but I just don't like her at all. I think she's only going to get more annoying.

>>20737541
Yes, but the difference is that we were not, at the time, responsible for an entire country.

>>20737544

I actually agree with you, I intensely dislike the character (more than I can reasonably motivate.)

I would've been more vocal about my dislike had it been in character, but Ishelda is very forgiving. Still, I think she knows enough about being a ruler that she does need to establish that "this shit don't fly" as someone put it.

>>20737551
That doesn't make us any less forgiving. It might mean she's broken a law and we probably shouldn't make an exception for her just because we like her, but we don't even know what laws if any we've set up in New Arcturus. If she did break one then there will be an appropriate punishment codified in the law and it's not our decision.

"Well, I personally like Swamp Brew, Kaliel, but I can see why it doesn't fit your taste.
"The only people's taste it would fit are people who *can't* taste." She grumbled.
"I can taste perfectly fine." Raziel said. "And I had a hip flask of the stuff eventually."
"I think we can find you that ogrish mead." You say. "Or the wine."
"Well, it's just past breakfast now, so maybe later." Kaliel said, taking a bite of vineapple. "Hmm. You try some."
You take a slice of the long, red fruit, and the blue-white innards of the fruit tastes strongly of mint, enormously sugary.

The tea done and cookies eaten, you stretch. It's time for matters of state, now. You need to decide what you're going to do about Quaz, and you need to start poaching various craftsmen for New Arcturus. For the first, you send a pair of guards to keep an eye on Quaz. And for the second...

You key your ring, and call for Gehenna. This will be a lot of talking, and he knows exactly what craftsmen you'll need.

>End of thread!
>Sticking around to answer questions.
>You guys can choose this time to discuss a name for the castle and/or what do to with Quaz, or other matters. None of it will be 'locked in' until you mention it next thread, though, when Gehenna is right there.

>>20737601
Have we established laws yet? If so, what do they say about what Quaz did?

>>20737630
I'm leery of establishing laws or penalties/punishments yet, but let's say that stealing is a fine or imprisonment, killing is imprisonment, exile, or execution, and. . . hard to say, really. It's whatever you guys say it is, retroactively.

>>20737659
Hard labor for all! Arcturus needs workers.

You get paid a minimum wage which is collected after your term.

>>20737674
Hahahaha, no. Possibly in lieu of life imprisonment as a reduction of the sentence.

I vote leave the snake lady alone. Well, have a talk with her but i honestly dont see a need to punish her or anything. If you guys just have to though, can we talk to her first and hash shit out first?

We going to eventyally sail to her side of the world and check shit out to find out who tried to kill us?

>>20737723
>can we talk to her first and hash shit out first?

Of course, we're doing that before we make any firm decisions about what to do with her.

>>20737659
High Treason is gonna be at least life imprisonment. Can't really justify it being lenient enough to let her off. We'll have to lawyer her down to a lesser charge somehow.

Have we properly set up the legal system yet? Do we have a courthouse, judges, a prison etc?

>>20737733
Right now Ishelda is the highest court. Probably the only one too for the time being.

Also keep in mind that Quaz is not a citizen, but a guest.

>>20737749
>not a citizen
That's a good point actually. Our laws don't necessarily apply to her in the same way.

Of course the only other option in such a case is banishment, sending her back to her own country, or apply the laws of her home country to her. I don't particularly like the sound of any of those.

>>20737733
Things are still to small for that- you have the guard, and some dungeons under the castle, but that's pretty much it right now- Ishelda, and other be-titled friends of yours, are the only real authorities. In a pinch, Nahzit and Redglare could count as magistrates, though. Funnily enough, one of the dungeons are where the page took her.

>>20737749
Shit, yeah. We can just say she's snake ambassador and give her diplomatic immunity.

>>20737749
Doesn't matter. Not like she's a diplomat from where she comes from.

>>20737775
But she's not. It would be up to her people to chose a diplomat to send not Ishy.

>>20737775
Sure, if you WANT the muderous childlike killing machine to get off scot free with no reprimands.

>>20737775
>>20737789
>>20737772
You're the queen- you could bullshit any reason, like saying you placed a geas on her as punishment or something similar, and that's if you *don't* punish her. You're the highest authority there is, and you quite literally are 'above the law', at the point, before things are set in stone.

The law is probably nebulous at best. Shit's handled on a case-to-case basis by Ishelda herself most likely.
Magic will have an effect on the legal code as well. Divination means that proof is absolute. Magic can provide punishments as well, such as geass. Then you have unique, magic based crimes, such as mind control or necromancy (Not that we'll outlaw necromancy, but I think the Elves did.)

>>20737789
As the only snake on the entire continent, she's representing her people and everything she does reflects on them, whether they like it or not.

>>20737830
I thought Ishy really didn't like mindrape.

>>20738063
She doesn't, though I doubt she'd look askance at a Geas it were worded right.

>>20738063
Geas isn't really mindrape. It doesn't effect your mind at all, it simply makes you do certain things (or avoid certain things). Take, for instance, a murder. You could lock him up for who knows how long, or you could geas him to never kill anyone again. And maybe some kind of community service tacked on.
Even if Ishy doesn't do it, it's probably factored into the legal systems of other countries, especially the Elves.

Let's set up some laws then.

Theft - Return of the stolen property, and the possibility of a fine up to the value of the stolen property. May be commuted to service if the guilty party is unable to pay the fine or return the property.
Property Damage - A fine up to the value of the property damaged, as determined by the cost to replace the damaged property. An additional fine may be instituted in the event of lost revenue as a result of damaged property, and/or irreplaceable lost property. May be commuted to service if the guilty party is unable to pay the fines.
Killing (Involuntary) - To be determined on a case by case basis. Sentence requires 2 of 3 magistrates in agreement to be implemented. Punishment may range in severity from a fine to life imprisonment, but not execution. The ruling Queen or King may supersede the decision of the magistrates.
Killing (Voluntary) - As above, but the punishment may range from banishment to execution.

Service is defined as an act of labor performed for the benefit of the state.
Banishment is considered a less severe punishment than imprisonment, which in turn is considered a less severe punishment than geas, which in turn is considered a less severe punishment than execution.
A geas may only be taken voluntarily, or if the guilty is unable to be imprisoned.
Execution is to be carried out in the most humane and painless method available.
Habeas Corpus, the right to face one's accuser, and the right to remain silent without incrimination are in effect. Divination is considered acceptable evidence. The spirits of the departed are considered valid witnesses if applicable.

Thoughts? Opinions?

>>20738114
>>20738094
>>20737830
Geases are similar to enchantment spells, but they're most closely aligned with abjuration. Usually, they prevent someone from doing specific actions- like stopping the geased being from harming someone, or preventing them from leaving a certain building or travelling too far away from an object. Certain (more questionable) geases can be tied into enchantment, to force someone to do something, or to wipe their minds on certain conditions, or tied into evocation, to kill someone when they do (or don't do) something.

Geases featured prominently in the kalak legal system, which is how Azariel lost the ability to use evocation. He was able to rules-lawyer his way out of it, rarely, by tying it into different spells.

Also, Divination isn't actually absolute enough for most people- other than the kalak and Ishy, ogres are the only beings with the knowhow to use the more powerful divination spells.

>>20738179
Well we can do it, and we're planning to live for ever, and divination gets more powerful the older you are. Seems fine.

>>20738165
I think there should be a section allowing the ruling monarch to override the penal code for special cases.

>>20738165
Add to this:
The use of enchantment to compel the truth from a living being may only be used if the magistrates have probable cause to believe that the use of such a spell would save one or more lives, and the lack of use would have those lives lost.
The use of enchantment to compel the truth from an unliving being may not be used, as the enslavement of the undead is considered to be an all-or-nothing affair.

>>20738257
I included that for some of the more extreme cases, but yes. Might as well put it in for everything:

The ruling monarch has the prerogative to override any legal ruling for any or no reason.

>>20738165
Don't forget Treason, which should probably be vaguely defined and have "punishment determined by monarch or regent."

>>20738294
So... friendship or death?

>>20738257
That's open to abuse. And if even we can turn out like the Void Queen I certainly don't trust our descendants. We can put that in after we become immortal (and the reason the Ankh's still sitting in a box after it's purified is...?).

>>20738302
Friendship *and* death, sometimes. Heh.

>>20738294
Quite right.

High Treason - Severity of punishment should be determined by the ruling monarch or other regent.

>>20738165
Assault should be in there somewhere, maybe as a catchall for attempted murder, rape, kidnapping, home invasion, ect.
And while we're at it, basic rights of citizens and visitors should be extablished. I suggest outlawing billeting (Which was probably an issue in Old Arcturus, considering the whole planet was on a war footing) from the get-go.

>>20738341
Assault - Defined as any act of aggression which results in damages, but not property damage nor murder. Punishment ranges from a fine to a geas.
Trespassing - Fine, which may be commuted to service.

Basic rights coming up next.

>>20738341
What's wrong with billeting? You want all our soldiers to sleep outside? If there's a war where we need it I'd rather have the option.

>>20738305
It only becomes an issue when it's abused. Maybe allow the magistrates to veto the monarch in such cases (Probably with a majority vote).
Also, establishing who is allowed to be a magistrate might be a good idea. I'd suggest not allowing dynasties, and buying a seat is right out.
Perhaps a house of commons might be worth looking into as well.

>>20738398
Billeting gets peoples jimmies all kinds of rustled, and can contribute to shit like rebels and whatnot.
At the very least we should have a fair compensation clause and a legally mandated complaint system for billeted soldiers who do sketchy things.

>>20738439
>At the very least we should have a fair compensation clause and a legally mandated complaint system for billeted soldiers who do sketchy things.
Indeed. It should be 'please look after this nice soldier who's fighting for you' not 'this scary soldier is going to come and take over your house'

>>20738489
Do you have a way of guaranteeing that every single individual who becomes an Arcturian soldier is going to be a nice person who won't steal shit, break shit, or be impolite? Can you make those soldiers' commanders care that they just broke some farmer's table and grabbed his wife's ass?
Because if not, it'll just cause issues.

>>20738552
Of course everyone in Arcturus is a nice person.
More seriously, an easy complaint system for the residents and being able to easily divinate the truth and punish offenders seems good enough.
There will be a bit of disruption, but it's worth it. In medieval war, soldiers are more important than civilians. Simple as that.

Okay, I've taken most of this from the U.S. Bill of Rights (because I've actually memorized that one as part of a college essay), so if you have anything you want to add or remove, let me know.
I've done this with an admittedly strong liberal slant in mind, as Ishelda is a 16 year old lesbian girl who practically farts rainbows and sunshine, and has repeatedly demonstrated a strong belief in forgiveness and second chances. The parts in brackets are my own notes.

Rights of Citizenry:
- Citizens have the right to speak or otherwise express their feelings and opinions freely and openly without fear of retribution from the law, provided that such expression results in no quantifiable harm.
[For example, you can't set a building on fire as a symbol of expression.]
- Citizens have the right to own arms, and to bear those arms both in self defense and for sport.
[no more of this hurrrhurr bears have arms bullshit. It's about as funny as the planet Uranus at this point.]
- Citizens have the right to demand and receive reasonable compensation from the state for the housing of soldiers in a time of war or other national emergency. No solider shall be unwillingly housed in a time of peace.
- Citizens have a right to privacy from the state, and from unreasonable searches, siezures, and divinations. Any such activites from lawful sources must have warants issued from the state, on no basis but probable cause, and describing the place to be searched, the person or things to be siezed, and the events to be divined.

More coming as I write it!

>>20738695
I was about to say something about the arms part, but then I realized that Ishelda built this place with demon invasion in mind.

>>20738751
That in mind it's not "right" to bear arms, Ishelda would set up a responsibility to bear arms. All able bodied men and women who live in New Arcturus must be prepared and trained to raise up arms in defense of their homes. We'll have troops and knights but we still want a militia if at all possible. Crossbows for everyone.

>>20738792
That was brought up quite a few threads ago actually. Mandatory military training and armament for all able-bodied citizens.

>>20738792
Fair point, and one I think we should give serious consideration. Is she still that paranoid?

- Citizens have the right to a speedy trial, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusations against them, to be confronted with the witness against them, and to the assisstance of counsel for their defense.
- Citizens have the right to reasonable and not excessive fines, nor cruel or unusual punishments inflicted.
- Citizens have the right both to protest, and to have their protests heard within reason by someone able to lawfully act.
[so if someone gets screwed by the system, they have the right to go tell a higher authority about it. But not to go tell Ishelda that they were fined two cents more than they should've been for something stupid like littering. This will probably stop working on a large scale eventually and need to be changed or removed.]
- Citizens have the right to due compensation for any labors performed by command of the state.

That's all the ones I can think of. Anything else?

>>20738955
How about a Magna Carta equivilant ? And we still need to figure out how to get magistrates.

>>20739052
Ehh, I dunno about Magna Carta. Ishelda may need to act outside the law to get shit done herself in certain magical catastrophes.

>>20739052
The Magna Carta is full of shit that refers specifically to the situation in England, stuff that's already mentioned or shit we really don't want (no man may be imprisoned on the testimony of a woman, the monarch can't set taxes, etc.).

Might be cool:
>Clause 27 with intestacy (dying with debts, Gehenna can come up with something for that).
>Clause 42 stated that it was lawful for subjects to leave the kingdom without prejudicing their allegiance except for outlaws and during war
>Clause 45 said that the King should only appoint as "justices, constables, sheriffs, or bailiffs" those who knew the law and would keep it well. (people who apply the law should know the law, duh)
>Clauses 4 to 5 refer to the duties of wardship, specifically forbidding the practice of the over-exploitation of a ward's property by his warder. (we should just get general child abuse laws)
>Clause 9 stated that a debtor should not have his lands seized as long as he had other means to pay the debt.
>Clause 35 set out a list of standard measures

Also outlaw slavery, that's not in there but we should do it.

>>20739350
Should probably specify slavery for the living. We've been enslaving the non-living for quite awhile now.

>>20739666
No we haven't. We've been using mindless skeletons. Raziel has made a point of not enslaving sapient spectres.

>>20739689
What about constructs and golems?

>>20739739
I dunno, the only one we've come across was Bubbles who we freed from slavery. As he's an artefact, I imagine there are less intelligent and mindless ones.
Elementals seem to be able to act independently, I wonder what their deal is.

>>20739763
Elementals are powered by a strange combination of abjuration, evocation, and enchantment. They have 'pseudo-minds', which allow them to have basic personalities based on their element. They cannot speak, learn, or understand any languages, and have to be controlled by their caster. Otherwise they stand there, dormant. They do not retain knowledge.

The same way mindless undead know a few things from their lives, an elemental knows a few things from the forces of magic itself. If you're lucky and *incredibly* powerful, you can get an elemental that knows things lost to the ages.

The more skill in enchantment the caster has, the more intelligent the elemental is. Stupid elementals end up walking into walls.

The more skill in evocation the caster has, the more powerful the elemental is. Weak elementals can do less things.

The more skill in abjuration the caster has, the more stable the elemental is. Unstable elementals last less time, and have a tendency to explode, fall apart, and-or turn into acid at inopportune times, or simply fall apart

>>20739739
Golems are magic robots. Built by elves, usually, and need special programming to know what to do. The Mind is just a completely fuckawesome genius programming crystal that became an artifact by the pure virtue of being so well made.

>>20739901
Correction- technically, golems are the humanoid shells that the programming crystals go into. Constructs are any kind of magic robot, humanoid or not. Technically, Jormungandr is a construct, albeit a rather stupid one, and one with a whole lot of 'unordered' magic, as opposed to the 'ordered' magitech that the elves use.

>>20740089
Huh, so theoretically, could we make Jormy smarter?

>>20740189
>Jormy

What, even the ship gets a cutesy nickname? What am I saying, of course it does.

>>20740189
Not smarter, sapience-wise, but smarter in that it'll dodge attacks, change speed based on how much sunlight input it has, and such, yes. But you'll have to contract (or trade favors with) an elf good at that sort of thing.

>>20740242
Or roll a nat 100, spend a fate point, or make a sacrifice, right?

>>20740339
Technically, rolling a nat100 would turn it into an artifact, which would give it more than a construct mind, but it'd give it an artifact mind, which is usually sapient to some degree.

>>20740376
Our ship going where it wants instead of where we want? Not a good idea.
Plus we promised to ask Grubwort before we did anything else to it.

>>20740376
What about using the FP? Would that give it the artifact mind or the improved construct mind?

>>20740435
But it's our ship now, not his. We can do what we like to it.

>>20740476
Fate points don't technically give you an auto-nat100. It gives you an auto-99, *or* takes you out of a life and death situation. You guys didn't lose one from dying when you revived Cassiel, though, because Raziel and the resurrection ritual were *right* there. You still have one from before the timeskip, though.

>>20740530
Forgot to mention- It'd have the improved construct mind. Only a nat100 can create an artifact, and most of the time, not even then.

>>20740242
Like, say, Kiyara?