oh hello

>>21182081

I'm sad to inform you that I cannot attend tonight's session, since I am dead tired and with what seems to be a small fever. Hope the show will kick off in a good gear, though!

>>21182139
Good lord! No Ragnar! There might even be a chance tonight goes by without a call to rip someone's head off and feast on godflesh!

now that you've said it, it has to happen.

>>21182139
It just isn't the same game when you're not there to try and convince us to kill/marry everybody.

II'm here.

>>21182205
I'll be sure to take up his sword so that such a terrible thing cannot occur.

Yay! Enough people!

Turn Report

Population: 355 (138 elders and children)
Food: 5/15
Morale: 7/15

Known Food Sources: Depleted deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, Copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, Crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, Crude Instruments, Rough berry liqueur, Tribal Militia, Crude ideograms

The weather has turned warm and the air is still. Summer is most definitely here.

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river

>>21182833
Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
E) Hold a cultural event (specify)
F) Craft specific objects
G) Send envoys to another tribe
H) Other
I) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)

>>21182842

A) up the river more
D) calender
I)

>>21182833
D) Calender
F) Build a bigger fence out of wood for the deer
G) Go to the ally tribe downriver and beg for food. Time for those motherfuckers to pony up, we got mouths to feed.

D research Calendar
A up river
I Ask what ells to do

>>21182899
Actually, are the berries ready yet? Because if so, then I change my G to H) go berry picking

>>21182909
>>21182917
Agree I'm changing my I) to H)arvest berryes

>>21182969

i thought the berries werent ready till the fall

>>21182842
D) Calendar
A) Explore up-river
H) Gather food

>>21183007
Ignore the one who has not tasted the sweet sweet taste of liquer.

>>21183007
> The berry bushes nearby will NOT be ready to harvest until the fall.

The Wise Ones continue to make progress on their dating system. They believe that very soon, they'll actually have something the tribe can use! Further, the work involved in observing the movements of the moon and sun have given them some ideas for a grand project, but nothing they are willing to discuss yet.

Some of the villagers leave, looking for anything edible in the forest, but so far, they discover very little. A few manage to find plants that taste foul but have no ill effects. Far more are struck down with illnesses from tasting unsafe food!

The scouts head up-river again, looking to explore beyond Chani's shrine. They meet with little success however, as the waterfalls mean the heavy rafts and hollow-log canoes cannot be carried further. When they return past the shrine, Rina stops them with word from the goddess; Chani's influence only extends to this shrine. Past the waterfalls, the river falls under the influence of another spirit!

> What does the shrine look like anyway? Anyone decide that?

>>21183212
Turn Report

Population: 355 (138 elders and children)
Food: 5/15
Morale: 7/15

Known Food Sources: Depleted deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, Copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, Crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, Crude Instruments, Rough berry liqueur, Tribal Militia, Crude ideograms

The weather has turned warm and the air is still. Summer is most definitely here.

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river

>>21183218
Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
E) Hold a cultural event (specify)
F) Craft specific objects
G) Send envoys to another tribe
H) Other
I) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)

>>21183225

D) calender
G) ask the tribe down the river about their strange metal(silver). where they found it, and if we could mine some of it ourselves
I)

>>21183225
I figured it look like a tall building with a large center and a small bedrooms off to the side the shrine is made out of a canoe. A basin of water from the lake is in the center of the shrine the water isn't changed at all but still some how does not grow algae.

C) gather some copper
D) calendar
G) go to the river brothers and see if we can further our relationship.

>>21183225
A)Scout the forest for game other than the depleted deer herd.

D)Calender

>>21183261
They don't have silver we found out is was a gift from the people that trade with them.

Also I was hoping to try and make some jewelry out of the copper maybe so we can get Yeneth's gift.

>>21183311

oh, my bad mustve missed that

>>21183261

ill change my G to a C for copper then

>>21183225
Finally I am here.

D) Calendar
G) War delegations to the Lion Lords
G) War delegations to the River Brothers

We need to consolidate the three tribes into a single army if we are to be able to take over the tribe down river. I've already written up a proposal of how to organize the military.

>>21183225
D) calender
F) Build big fence for the slippery deer
G) Go beg the ally tribe downriver for food.

>>21183478
We have enough food, we can't show weakness. If we need food I say consolidate our military then go down there and take the food along with anything else they have of worth.

That man we met is obviously the power base for the tribe, he controls everything. Cut the head off the snake and soon we shall feast upon it's flesh. We need to expand our boarders, for the glory of the commonwealth.

>>21183497
They already begged for food from us though, and we gave it. What was the point of that if not so that they would do the same for us at times like this?
Fishing season's a long way off brother. Just saying.

>>21183570
Oh, I thought you were talking about the ones we just discovered not the river brothers. I don't say we beg, but I think asking them to share their food stores would not be out of the question.

I say we send a delegation for both that and to plan for the future assault on the far tribe.

>>21183570
Also, that tribe down south did not really seem to be very powerful in terms of military. One good assassination and I think the entire structure would collapse around them and whoever is second in command would easily surrender.

I think if we do go to war we first challenge him to a duel (Not Tyrm this time, we send Gerin and his great hammer into battle) for the price of whoever wins controls all four tribes. If he refuses we simply lay siege to the city, though I doubt he'll want to look weak in front of his tribe, because his power seems to mostly be in the bluff of it.

>>21183591
But we have so much we can learn from the other tribe! Plus they seem to have friends in high places (I'd really like to know who has the silver, and who made that boat), I don't think we should go into this guns blazing. It'll make us look like savages.

>>21183671
We shall conduct ourselves in the proper sense of true military. We shall send in a delegation to negotiate their surrender, and emphasize that if they do so they will be given equal standing in the common wealth, and emphasize that we only see war as a final option when all else has failed.

He did not look as if he would be cooperative in helping us, at least not without a price that favored him. It would be better for us to take the knowledge instead of sip at whatever he is willing to let us taste.

besides, traders do not care who they trade with, simply that trade is flowing. We take over their city swiftly and make the transition and I expect the traders to welcome us as four cities consume more goods than one.

>>21183671
Any knowledge we can learn from them after they are conquered. They friends are only interested in the furs so if we continue the fur trade I don't think they will bother us.

>>21183729
So are you in agreement we should continue the calendar and send war delegation to the Lion Lords and River Brothers in order to consolidate into a single fighting force. I have ideas of how the army should be structured and how we should lay siege to the other tribe.

Also, on a side note, we need to make the first move. I am sure that Groza favors those of valor and those who have rights through combat. If we lay in wait for them to attack he will support them, if we take the offensive he will support us.

>>21183725
He didn't seem interested in us because we kind of acted like jerks when we first met him. We need to continue trying to make friends with these people, they have shown no signs of hostility towards us, and they seem pretty open to trade, we just need to convince them to start trading with us (once again, don't come off like jerks). And these aren't Renaissance empires we're talking about here, I think the traders will mind if we just go and wage war on someone who's made friends with them enough to get trade going. Let's just calm down, and think this one through.

>>21183802
I disagree. He seemed arrogant and uncooperative, and from what I have heard from the trading tribe they seem to be much more business like and civilized (the mention of swords at least points to this, along with a silver trade).

My vote goes to war.

>>21183835
second this. It is about time we used Groza for something.

>>21183856
So it seems we have two votes for war and one for peace.

Britfag, what's your ruling. Will we begin war preparations?

> It's so much fun seeing you people puzzle this all out!

A party of villagers crosses the river and makes the trip to the Lion Tribe, looking for copper in the nearby hills. Without Rina to translate, no-one can speak the language, so little interaction happens between the group and the Lion Tribe. A few cartfuls of copper are obtained, having been dug out of the ground through great effort.

The heads of the tribe's families consider sending a delegation to one of the nearby villages... But there is so much debate and arguing back and forth as to whom it would be sent to and what would be discussed, the idea is eventually dropped in disgust.

The Wise Ones present their new calendar system to the village! They have divided the year, it seems, into cycles of the moon. From now on, the tribe will track the season by its moon number! Moons 1-3 are spring, 4-6 are summer, 7-9 are fall and 10-12 are winter.

>>21183835
Do we know that the other tribe itself didn't craft those swords, I mean we know almost nothing about them! And come on, hate to break character, but Britfag totally hinted that that diplomacy failure was our fault. These guys seem like they could destroy us, think about this!

>>21183888
No option was ever selected to order the tribe to prepare for war. It's not happening this turn, I'm afraid. In the event of such a decision being tied, it will NOT be down to a die roll. The heads of the families will debate it and decide on a course of action, based upon past experiences and actions, as well as the arguments made for and against.

>>21183891

DANGER! FOOD SUPPLIES LOW!

Turn Report

Population: 355 (138 elders and children)
Food: 4/15
Morale: 6/15

Known Food Sources: Depleted deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, Copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, Crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, Crude Instruments, Rough berry liqueur, Tribal Militia, Crude ideograms

Moon 6

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river

>>21183921
Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
E) Hold a cultural event (specify)
F) Craft specific objects
G) Send envoys to another tribe
H) Other
I) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)

>>21183907
THey could probably defeat us if it was only our tribes, but the combined might of The Long Fangs, The River Brothers, and The Lion Lords together can win. If we prepare correctly and begin increasing out war technology and numbers of trained soldiers.

War also has other side benefits, it will show our strength to the surrounding villages and help establish the four tribes as a consolidated empire in the eyes of others. The Great House Wolfsbane shall rise.

>>21183925
Fish season is almost always in fall I think so we only have to wait 1 more moon.

G) talk to the river brothers with Trym and Rina
G) talk to the lion tribe with Rina and Trym
D) find out ways to make pretty jewelry out of copper.

>>21183925
G) Send an envoy to the river brothers to talk about both food being traded and the possibility of making war on the other tribe.
D) Use the new copper to begin forging different kinds of weapons, don't worry about wasting materials. Let the elders have the forge workers create anything that tickle their fancy. I am sure they'll make something useful.
F) Send people to the Wolf Oak in order to ask our local wolf god for a boon for the "great hunt". Hopefully in the form of a piece of the tree that could be made into a spear or bow. I would like this to be a special weapon that will help us find special hunting areas for increased food.

>>21183939
Do we even know if those guys will fight with us, I mean, the River Brothers maybe, but the lion-copper tribe seems totally out of the question. I'd be surprised if they don't hate us for killing their best warrior, subjugating them, and just walking over and taking their copper whenever we like. Look at it from their perspective, and we look like assholes, just saying. And also, we're kind of starving, so maybe war isn't the best idea right now, let's just focus on making through to fishing season.

>>21183968
I change my F to sending a delegation to the Lion Lords instead, but only if it is possible to send the same people to two locations in a single turn.

>>21183980
Think about it, their god is all about taking things from who you can. Under their faith system we have proven ourselves too powerful to be taken from and this we have gained their respect. Their god would advocate for the taking over of this new tribe as they attempted to do with us.

If we offer them enough standing and plunder I am sure they will come with us. Besides, old wounds must heal in order to head into the future, they aren't stupid, I believe they can be convinced to come onto our side.

>>21183925
G) go ask the river brothers for food
D) let's try and develop our government some more, that other tribe had a chief, with a little more research Trym could become the Long Fang's new chief.
F) Build big fenced pen for the deer.

>>21184010
I do not advocate for us to be united under a single chief, unless we go with the head clan and banner men system similar to that in Game of Thrones.

>>21184028
I don't want to seem weird but you and I snapper are thinking almost the same things.

>>21184028
Do you not trust the wisdom, courage, and leadership skills of Trym Wolfsbane?

Also, if fall is coming up next, then winter's gonna come soon after. War in the winter just sounds all kinds of wrong.

>>21184113
If we need to prepare for war and fight in the summer.

>>21184113
If we are to make war in the summer we must prepare for it in the winter.

>>21184070
Yes, but anyone put into a position of absolute power can be turned away from the right path. And even if he doesn't, think about his sons who will rule after him. We have no guarantee of their nobility. We must plant for the future.

Rina is going to be extremely busy this moon! Between the Lion and River Brother tribes, the tribe expects her to go thither and yon to all manner of meetings! With a small party in tow, she sets off, first to the River Brothers.

The tribe's other efforts are somewhat scattered and without direction. The sheer number of different ideas means that not much is achieved in any direction.

>>21184387
Well if we are sending delegations I say it is time to prepare for war properly. We need to build a training camp to house the entirety of our combined military strength.

Would anyone like me to write our how the military shall be structured?

>>21184418
Snapper we have groza's temple for training

Damn, can we at least build that deer pen? It was a really good idea, and could help us keep the food stores up in the winter.

>>21184455
We're going to have a 300-600 person force assaulting their city. We're gonna need a lot more space.

>>21184464
wat

>>21184463
Yes sir, I am sorry for being so forceful with the war idea. I am positive that we can fit the deer pen and capturing the deer in with the war preparations. I apologize for my hastiness.

>>21184464
I mean, don't we have an army of like, 10? Where are you getting these hundreds of soldiers from?

>>21184470
I've already figured out how this will work, this is using estimations from the different tribe's populations and the amounts of them who have basic military training.

>>21184472
Thanks, sorry if it seems like I'm being a dick about the whole war thing, but I'm just worried we may be threatening the future of the tribe by going to battle with a clearly powerful and advanced force.

>>21184476
Not soldiers, but remember we trained every person in the village in basic weaponry to be raised as a militia. We have ten professional soldiers who will become the squad leaders of the smaller units. I have structured the military proposal to reflect this.

>>21184488
It's cool, difference in ideals I suppose. Trust me, I will not let our tribe be destroyed by someone as weak as them. I have some plans that I think will work very well.

>>21184488
I doubt if we can get the other tribes together on this one we will damage the tribe to much.

>>21184494
That was a long time ago, and a bunch of those people died. Also, is it wise to be sending the common people out onto the battlefield? Like I said, these people do not look like they will just roll over and take it- remember, they're also friends with the battle god, and more, we don't know who Groza will side with for sure.

>>21184524
We have six months to train them, I believe that is enough time to get them ready.

If we propose the battle I am sure Groza will side with us, he likes combat, and if we are the ones to advocate for it he will go for us. Besides, we are the ones who names him, he has much closer ties to us than with them.

Also, if my plan works then we will only have one death and still get their tribe.

>>21184546
Well, looks like I have six months to try and dissuade you guys from going at this. I just don't know why we necessarily need to be risking the entire fate of the tribe on conquering these people, we could just as easily become allies, trade partners even. We would still get tons of benefits, and we wouldn't have to risk anyone.

> Oh boy, you people don't even know how I plan to handle a full-scale battle yet. Ever seen the Ironhearts quest? There's a reason I spent ages searching for the map-making software I use!

>>21184387
Rina's arrival in the River Brothers village is greeted in a friendly manner! Trym and Syfron both welcome her and the small party. Trym, it seems, is becoming quite proficient with the language of his wife's tribe now and assists in the translations.

How will Rina/Trym address the River Brothers elders and what will they discuss?
> Use some damn specifics!
A) Make request
B) Offer gift
C) Cultural exchange
D) Discuss military
E) Make agreements
F) Other

>>21184566
Because only through great risk may great glory be gained:

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

-- Theodore Roosevelt

Besides, the empire must grow, the common wealth must be established, and House Wolfsbane must hold power over all.

>>21184571
C) with the calendar
D) we need to talk about how many people they can give up so we can fight together.
E) to make a festival in the honor of the trust between our two tribes in the spring

>>21184592
If we need to grow, then let's just send some settlers out to those big plains by the mountains, and hey, we over here in the gray twilight could be enjoying advancing our technologies, and making best friends with cool dudes who live down the river from us.

>>21184571
D) "We have discovered a tribe down the river. We, as three consolidated tribes, the Long Fangs, The River Brothers, and the Lion Lords, must ban together in order to bring them under the great banner of Wolfsbane. We plan to offer them it peacefully, and if that fails in a single duel between our greatest warrior and their chieftain. If both fails we must be prepared for war, we ask that you lend us a portion of your population to begin training. How many adults can you spare? We plan to have enough to have a completely self sustaining force, to be able to to everything from fight, to build their own weapons, to gather their good. You will be given a position as one of the three lords of the military. A delegate from each tribe shall be a lord, each reporting directly to Tyrm."

>>21184571
A) food

>>21184571
A) "In the past we gave you food in your time of need. Will you extend the same favor for us. We should be extremely grateful."

E) Proposal a festival in spring between all three of the tribes. The land the festival is built on will become the military camp once the festival is finished.

>>21184625
I think we need to pass this through with the lion tribe before we say that they are with us.

question um britfag do we harvest our crops in the fall or are they already harvest

>>21184625
Oh yeah, for this structure I will put the general structure of the military.

Trym shall be the high commander.

There will be three lords under him. Gerin shall, be the lord from our village. The two other tribes shall each be given a lord. Under these men shall be units made up of five squads.

Squads will be made up of ten people lead by a single professional soldier. The other ten shall be militia.

Each unit shall have:

2 Heavy warriors squads (heavily armored with weapons for close combat)
1 Outrunner squad (lightly armored made for flanking)
1 Bowmen (Archers, lightly armoed)
1 support (Medics and any applicable siege weaponry, the lion tribe had a siege weapon if we go to war they will share the knowledge)

>>21184648
Lets show our hand now, say to both that the other is with us. One small lie shall do much to convince them to come, and if it works it would have never been a lie at all.

>>21184640
*would be, not should be.

>>21184686
Gerin should be in charge not Trym.

>>21184703
Tyrm is much more of a leadership figure. He commands more respect from the other tribes. Gerin is a soldier, but he has never shown himself to be a battle commander.

>>21184718
So we should give him a chance to show his worth by letting be in charge of the arm its is Groza's will.

>>21184718
Has our battle god ever actually been in a battle? Once again, war is not good idea.

>>21184745
He's a war god. he is literally the personification of battle. We have seen what a god can do when their power is let loose (that snow goddess). We took a risk with her last time, and remember it payed off.

History rewards the daring!

If we can get Groza to throw his full support behind us then I expect that even if my plan fails and we do have to lay siege to their city then the battle will be over swiftly.

>>21184745
sorry, meant to say battle priest

>>21184763
Yea, but if Groza doesn't side with us, which is totally a possibility, he might actually side with the other people. Making us fucked.

>>21184785
No just making it harder

>>21184776
He has proved himself to be the war priest by beating down everyone else who wanted the position. Next to Tyrm he is the strongest in the tribe. He might even be stronger than Trym, but we'll never know because I'm not risking them injuring each other.

Also he trains constantly, that's all he does pretty much as preset of Groza.

>>21184785
Well, next turn lets have Gerin ask Groza who he shall side with in the event we call for war with his tribe.

Also I still think there is a much higher chance of him siding with us. After one blunder we have done nothing but please him. If he has any doubts then I say a good tournament at the war camp in his honor will cully his favor.

At worse he'll simply empower both sides in order to see a good fight.

Sorry, I seem a bit lost.

Who are we preparing to go to war against? and why?

>>21184820
There is a tribe to the east with a lot of resources. They refused to join our three combined tribes, so we plan to head over with an army and ask again. IF that fails we shall challenge the chieftain to a one on one duel for his tribe (betting ours if he wins) and if he refuses we shall take his city by force.

We are doing this for their knowledge and resources, and also to have a trade relation with a much more powerful tribe farther down river.

>>21184820
also I want to see what britfag has in store for us when we fight on a huge scale

>>21184820
We're preparing to go against a tribe we just met, who seems just as powerful and advanced as us, has friends in a trade network that includes silver, and also, they have better boats and advanced weapons. The reason? I honestly don't know. I'm against it.

>>21184850
Why do we keep talking about them like they're beneath us, they seem just as, if not more powerful than us! And when is showing up at a guy's door with an army and asking him to be friends good diplomacy?

>>21184850
So instead of trying to develop good relations, we dicided to go and kick their ass?

We've literally only meet them once, and we came across as assholes since we just showed up out of the blue and started talking about how badass we are. So of course they won't join our tribe.

and taking this tribe out won't guarantee trade with the large tribe. in fact it might make them distrustful of us.

>>21184885
They don't seem more powerful than us at all they just have a good trade network.

>>21184820
> Some of the tribe think it'd be a real swell idea to fuck up the new guys further downstream and take their stuff.

The River Brothers are delighted with the prospect of a festival, particularly between all of the local tribes! They promise to bring whatever they can to make it more enjoyable, come the springtime.

When the subject of war is broached however... Trym is very surprised to hear about it! Having spent the spring and summer months with the River Brothers, he was not privy in the least to what had been discussed back home! The River Brothers share his surprise and demand an explanation! To the man, the elders and Trym all demand to know what grievance the strange tribe could have given, to merit at attack!

How will Rina respond?
> Specifics again, please. Doing well so far.
A) Lie and exagerate
B) The truth
C) Other

Persuasive arguments will increase the chance of persuading the River Brothers to your cause.

>>21184893
Thank You! That's what I've been saying all night!

>>21184906
C) We apologize, the subject of war with people we just met has been the subject of discussion among the tribe for many moons now. Maybe it isn't a good idea after all to go to war, sorry for bothering you with this odd question.

>>21184906
B) "They have said they will not join us. We shall go again with an army an ask. War is a last resort only be used if all else fails. We need more under the great House Wolfsbane. If they will not join us peacefully then war is the only choice. Surely you can see this Tyrm, I have seen you in battle, I have seen you fight for your tribe. Do not sit here and take the defensive, be the first in the battle, be the one to claim the throne. Show them how far the long fang's fangs can reach."

If that doesn't rile him up I don't know what will.

>>21184961
Trym is more than some brute fighter, he is a wise man, who won't likely allow his emotions to affect his decisions. It is that cool, calm, collected mind of his that has helped him win his toughest fights.

>>21184940
gonna second this, because holy shit going to war over this is ridiculously stupid and will backfire right into our face..

>>21185003
I am so glad you showed up when you did. You are actually my hero.

>>21184980
That is my point, he will know that increasing the tribe's sphere of influence is a good idea. We can not simply hang back and wait for them to get the idea first. If we do not at least show a strong hand (even if we don't go to war) then I expect them to get the idea of coming for us first. I will not have our tribe become subject to another's rule. Military strength is the only true currency in times like that.

Gold is for the mistress
Silver for the maid
Copper for the craftsman cunning at his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall,
"But Iron; Cold Iron is master of them all."

>>21184980
Trym's established character is only 'a brave hunter'. He's neither a wise man, nor a mindless kill-o-matic.

RULES UPDATE
Heroes are not mindless pawns! Sometimes, they will object to a course of action, if they feel it is not right, or in their best interests, or those of the tribe. Some may disobey orders willingly! Yet others might even turn traitor, if pushed too far!

>>21184961
I like spin snapper's Idea I feel we need to be proactive not just sit on our ass and try to catch deer.

>>21185016
Even if we do not go to war we need a standing military in case war comes to us. I do not trust them not to come for us. If I can not have a preemptive strike then at least we need to have defenses.

Nothing like a common enemy to bring a bunch of tribes together is another reason I want this war for the Anon that needs some help coming to this side of the tracks.

>>21185021
Yes, he is a brave hunter. His bravery will carry the allied tribes through this war.

If he disagrees with our idea for war however. I will relent, I will not risk Tyrm to the idea. He is far too valuable.

>>21185035
Dude, I am totally fine with that. That's actually a great idea, and I will totally second that, it makes way more sense to be prepared for a fight against these people, then just rush out and wage war with them.

>>21185035
CAN WE AT LEAST TRY AND ESTABLISH TRADE WITH THEM BEFORE WE GO FULL RETARD WITH THIS FUCKING STUPID WAR IDEA?

>>21185062
No one is yelling no need to raise your voice calm your tits and forget about trade for a little bit we need some mindless violence ever once and a while.

>>21185062
Calm down. War is not a bad idea, we are the stronger ones. The largest empire in the history of the planet, the mongols, was founded around the idea I am advocating for, and some of the most successful societies also had these ideals at their heart.

What has happened to the peaceful civilizations? Those who offered friendship without a sword at their side? That died out. Humans are a war like race, we must prepare ourselves and cater to these ideas.

>>21185092
We have no idea if we are the stronger ones! There is no basis for that claim! If anything, there's more proof that they're the stronger ones!

As GM, I find this discussion hilariously good fun. Why can't my game group be like you folks instead of a) steal it, b) blow it the fuck up, or c) backstab the party.

Also: Are there no other votes? Currently it stands 2-1 in favour of saying, "Sorry, our bad, no war after all."

>>21185081
>>21185092
sorry, but showing up to their tribe with a massive army and "asking them" to reconsider joining our tribe just rubs me the wrong way.

I will admit that it is a good idea to prepare for the eventuality that we may need to unite our armies, though.

>>21185150
2-2 i vote for what spin snapper said

>>21185145
Our three tribes together outnumber them, and we have never lost a battle yet. We spend six months training, creating new technology, establishing positions, and building war machines; we'll have a force that could easily defeat them. All we need to do is make sure they do not found out about our preparations. They will not be prepared for a war, where as we will. If we follow my plan and assemble a large fighting force then this can be done.

>>21185150
people are a lot more open online then they are in a face to face group I have learned.

>>21185150
Felix voted for my thing, it's 2-2
>>21185158
We will not send our army when we first ask them. Only when we call out their chieftain for a duel, and for the siege.

>>21185188
But we don't even need to waste time on that, war makes no sense! The strength of an empire isn't just determined by how much land it has, it's determined by how well it manages and consolidates it's resources, and manages to support itself. Trade with these people could give us all the benefits we would get from war, we don't need to fight!

>>21185188
LETS DO EET
I just got here and don't feel like reading, someone gimme a quick rundown?

>>21185237
I feel that trading with these arrogant people will lead to use getting the short end of the stick because they will be trading with the goods they get form the other bigger tribe this way we cut out the middle man.

>>21185237
It will not give us the benefits of full access to their technology, or their infrastructure, or their people as a work force. They must have secrets they are hiding, ore mines, god lands, and the like. Those are things that can only be gained via subjugation.

Dammit, I wish someone else would show up and vote against this war, it's a complete waste of time, and could ruin any chances we have at being friends with all the people down river.

>>21185266
The run down is vote for war. it will be good for use

>>21185188
what war machines? the only weapons we have are spears, shields and bows. we know almost nothing about their weaponry other than they have "long knives".

>>21185266
Aha! The vote is now 3-2 in favor of war!

We are looking to expand our dominion to a tribe farther down the river and take their place with traders farther east. We just met these guys so first we shall "ask" them, and if that fails go to war.

>>21185266
They want to go to war with people who we just met, who have more advanced weapons and boats, have connection for silver, and could totally destroy us. PLEASE VOTE AGAINST.

>>21185269
we were the ones who were arrogant! we literally just showed up at their dorrstep and bragged about ourselves!

>>21185286
The Lion Lords broke down our tribe's wall with a primitive bettering ram. They have more advanced war tech than us, and might have some other things besides that up their sleeves. If we convince them to join us then they will share that information.

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>>21185292
I like war, in the name of Woden, lets kick some ass!

>>21185303
And now we're going to show up at their doorstep and threaten them with an army, we will actually destroy any chance we have of becoming friends, not just with them, but with the tribes they're friends with, the ones who have silver!

>>21185300
They have not shown to have more advanced weapons, just that they know people who do. I doubt they have the swords themselves.

>>21185303
No they were very arrogant we talked about our stories they did not greet us with hospitality rather they talked little to use and said we were unfit for them.

Coming out of lurking. Let's try negotiation and trade first, any society smart enough to build near a mobile water source likely has a rich food supply and plentiful goods for trade. If we find out they're pussies, we can always kill them later.

>>21185319
GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT. Please do not let our tribe be destroyed in some asinine war that WE WILL LOSE. IT IS OBVIOUS.

>>21185326
I doubt the silver tribe will mind as long as trade continues to flow. Who knows, if my original plan to win their tribe with a duel with their leader works they might not even notice the change.

Not to accuse people of cheating but something seems fishy about these two new guys that showed up.

>>21185336
And that brings it up to 3-3. I say we just bring this down to a roll Britfag, we seem as if we'll argue all night.

>>21185336
Or just steadily claim land and threaten them with full scale war, if they are as wimpy as people were saying, we can just bully them for lunch money.

>>21185331
The man listens to Rina, as she translates the Wise Ones offer into the foreign dialect. He remains silent throughout the offer of sharing the tribe's secrets, but brightens up at the explanation of the tribe's faith. "Ahh, so you are the ones who named Groza! We too honour the battle god, though we have little cause to call upon him. For the most part, we simply call upon Perwan, to ensure our fields keep a bountiful harvest. A few honour the foreign goddess too, Yeneth. A little luxury is deserved, is it not? After all, we have the time for it now!" He laughs loudly and smirks, "Though... My tribe will remain apart." He stresses the word 'my', very subtly, "If you think you have anything to offer us, you may by all means, send people downstream to trade. I will see if they have anything worth our time.

>>21185357
They voted in different directions. I don't think it is cheating. Besides, who would benefit from it?

>>21185357
I assure you i'm totally neutral to the people here, I just like these thread gaems

>>21185331
the first things we said to them other than "bring me to your leader" is brag about all the ass we kicked before anything else. if we tried to be a bit more diplomatic, than maybe they would be more welcoming.

remember, since we came from upriver, they were very interested in us. and instead of taking advantage of this, we just ran our mouths off.

>>21185370
Some one on our sides makes a person some one on their side makes a person but are actually fake people.

>>21185367
How is that rude? We offended him, and he was totally cool to us, just irked by how douchey we were acting. He honors our same gods, we could become friends over this!

>>21185367
Yes, he to me at least, comes off as arrogant and overly sure of himself. If what I am guessing is correct the tribe is completely centered around his leadership. If he dies the entire structure will crumble.

Also he has classing pencil thin mustache villain written all over him.

>>21185341
Your loss is not pre-determined. Whatever the tribe votes for, I will roll with it. You may get your ass beaten so soundly, it's unreal; you may utterly dominate and go on to forge a copper-age empire. It all depends how you handle it.

I'm not about to kill the tribe off unfairly. Some choices may result in harder situations than others, but that is up to your choices. I'm not going easy, but I'm not stupidly unfair either.

>>21185336
That makes the vote 3-3! This is the closest I've ever seen!

I'll tally it all up at 0240GMT, so about 10 minutes... If its's still a tie... It gets rolled for.

>>21185367
They have a fucking harvest god! This could be the solution to our food problem! If we go to war, Perwan will totally hate us, and ruin any chances we have of becoming friends! HARVEST GOD PEOPLE!

If this is a harvest people, why not suggest a feast to celebrate our first contact? We can bring samples of all our best goods, foods, dances, songs, etc., and they do likewise. Perfect way for everyone to see what the others have, and eating and drinking does tend to make negotiations go more smoothly.

>>21185413
Like I said, I have a lot of plans on how to structure the military for optimum chance of winning. Trust me, I will not let our people lose. I have contingency plans just in case we could ever fall. Why do you think I advocated for the outpost being built long ago? It is the absolute last resort in case of total meltdown.

>>21185445
Love it. We could make up for how rude we were, and converse more about our possible future. That's good.

>>21185424
We can get a harvest god in one turn that means nothing.
and tralalog we are having a festival in the spring with all the other tribes.

>>21185445
I want us to bring the best of non war we have first and remake our offer of joining the tribes. I only want to go to war if that doesn't work. If we prepare and they decide to join us then we will simply merge them into our army and possible set our sights on other local tribes that can be brought into the fold.

>>21185469
We weren't rude that all go read what we said in archives. They were rude we just wanted them to know who we were.

>>21185424
How? The harvest god is friends with them. That's ridiculous.

>>21185459

Maybe there's a middleground here. What if we stick with peace for now, but agree that if an alliance hasn't appreciably improved our situation by such-and-such a time, we'll suit up and go to war?

I'd even be willing to let those in favor of immediate war set the timeline for our patience.

>>21185489
"The world deserves to be a better place, we offer your tribe to be one of a clan among equals, we already have bonded ourselves with the tribe 'River Brothers', and seek to bring more into the fold. The clans shall rule together under the great banner Wolfsbane."

>>21185492
We have already shown there can be more than one god of certain things, and that gods can favor more then one people. If we try to I am sure we can cully the favor of a harvest deity.

>>21185492
Just because they worship a harvest god doesn't mean they are tight like spandex on a fat man

>>21185510
So we're just going to assume he was lying, or the harvest god secretly hates them? There's no basis for that assumption.

>>21185501
And we were completely dismissive towards them. Why would they want to be ruled under our banner? They seem totally fine on their own. We offered nothing to them.

>>21185501
I can not see how that is arrogant. We offer them an equal standing under a combined government.

>>21185497
Maybe their is middle ground. How about we spend the winter both preparing for war and sending delegation to them in order to join the tribes. If they do not decide to join us by later summer than we shall go to war in the fall. The march should only take a month and we can have two months of fall for the battle. It would be the best time, still dry enough to burn fortification, but cloudy enough so our archers are not blinded by the sun.

>>21185529
No he said that they had a harvest god not that they were best friends.

>>21185542

I think that's preferable to going to war right now. If that's the option on the table, consider my vote for it.

Still though, let's be sure our delegation has reasons WHY they'd be better with us than on our own. We're not Xerxes sending for tribute of earth and water, we're a barely-self-sustainable motley crew of tribes trying to embiggen ourselves. Let's be sure they know they're being offered friendship, not rule.

>>21185573
Ok everyone, we have together put forth the idea of this revised plan:

Maybe their is middle ground. How about we spend the winter both preparing for war and sending delegation to them in order to join the tribes. If they do not decide to join us by later summer than we shall go to war in the fall. The march should only take a month and we can have two months of fall for the battle. It would be the best time, still dry enough to burn fortification, but cloudy enough so our archers are not blinded by the sun.

Mine and Tralalog's votes go to it. Who else votes for it? One more and we shall have a majority.

>>21185573

And if I may add to that, let's also make sure we send some perceptive individuals along. I want to know, culturally, what these people most lack, and if we can offer it to them. Are they stagnant artistically? Maybe their medicine isn't so advanced, or their animal husbandry needs work? Let's see what we can offer.

>>21185595
I guess I vote for a prolonged war if it will end the stalemate.

>>21185542
No. We offer to be part of their trade circle, and also offer a celebration. We play nice, and don't talk about alliances, our deadlines for war. No threatening.

>>21185609
But still we tell the river brother so to make a war pack that if we go to war they will help us

>>21185612
I never said we tell them about preparing for war, but alliances must be talked about. Strength in numbers and all that.

>>21185595
They have no good reason to join us, and definitely won't like us any more more if we threaten them! They don't even know us! Have we considered that yet?!

>>21185620
yes, we advocate for telling them that war is a last resort if they do not join us, but telling them that we must prepare just in case.

>>21185626
They do have a reason to join us not to start a war.

Rolled 2

Alea iacta est!

1-3 Rina apologises for such a suggestion and drops the subject
4-6 Rina recites as Refrek suggested in >>21184625

>>21185626
That why we are going to spend six months going back and forth in order to share our culture and technology with them. To show them the benefits of joining us. If we teach them writing and how calendars work, and all that stuff they will see our science is advanced and can help them. We too should invite them to the festival between the three tribes in order to show them what splendor lies within the common wealth.

>>21185650
Wait Britfag, we now have a majority for a new plan.

>>21185661
Why do they have to join us? Why can't we just be friends and allies. Let them do their thing, and let us do our thing, and just make sure we're ready in case they turn against us.

>>21185650
it's
3 votes: Revised peace talks with war preparations
2 votes: Trade agreement
1 vote: Full war preparations

at the moment.

Rolled 5

>>21185650
Rina bows her head and apologises for the hasty suggestion. She explains that the idea of conquest and subjugation of the new tribe has been a topic of much debate in the village for some time now, with both sides making impassioned arguments for and against such an idea. The subject is dropped by the meeting amidst much muttering and consternation. The River Brothers seem quite objectionable to the idea of just attacking a people they have never met. The meeting is ended for the day and the party offered the hospitality of the village.

>>21185685
Because our action points are factored by our influence and population. If they are brought into the fold then our population will make a jump and we might be able to go up to 4 action points. Which will be a huge benefit.

>>21185685

This is a good point. If we join their trade circle, and we mix with them and trade our knowledge and goods, we've essentially absorbed them in all but name, and anything extra beyond that which we could gain by conquest we'd lose in the expenditure.

>>21185706
Oh thank god.

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>>21185697
WAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!

to late bro

>>21185706
Sooo, where are we on the food sharing idea, I believe that was a reason we came here.

>>21185711

So I guess this makes the question for RWB, what constitutes the official "they have joined us" line for population? If we join their, as they call it, trade alliance, is that too different from absorbing them into our tribe for it to count? Or can we OPEC this bitch?

>>21185706
Damn, oh well. I guess we should make war preparations anyway though, just in case later they decide to turn against us. A standing military is something we are lacking at the moment.

Lets talk to the river brothers about joining us together into a standing military, but emphasize we are not currently doing this with a target in mind. We should bring the same idea to the Lion Lords.

>>21185697
Too late, I'm afraid. There is still the opportunity open to conduct talks with the new tribe, there is still the opportunity open to prepare for war. But for now, Rina has delivered her message to the River Brothers.

And on that note, I'm going to get some shut-eye. Tonight was fun however! I'm looking forward to seeing how this all develops.

The next thread will be at 1630EST on SATURDAY the 20th. I hope to see you all there! Have a good one!

>>21185733
I will not ask this tribe for food we will not show weakness I put my foot down at that idea

>>21185733
Yes, but the idea for a conjoined military should still be brought up. Even if we are not planning to go to war at the moment.

>>21185740
Boy, what a night. Sweet dreams Britfag. Glad this thread's still going strong.

>>21185757
That's a good idea, let's open up talk for that, just not for waging war.

Ok everyone, seems like the thread is done for tonight. Oh well.

>>21185773
Lame

>>21185773
we can still argue even though britfag is gone

>>21185784
Nah, I'm good. I'll argue in the next thread. I'm done for the night.

>>21185791
nighty night if everyone is done I will be logging off.

Well shit, can someone give me a summary of this here game, I'm quite interested.
Mostly because I like waging bloody wars for no fuckall reason at all.

>>21185784
On that note, allow me to say, I know things got heated, but I hold no animosity to anyone on this thread, and I apologize if I offended anyone here. Love this thread, don't want to ruin the tribal kinsmanship.

>>21185813
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=civilization%20game

You can read through them there, start with 20277173. Nice to meet ya.

>>21185840
I don't want to sift through that, though I gotta admit, if all that is part of one single game, i'm impressed