Hail, fellow britfag!

Your countrymen stand willing to serve!

I have scrapped and buttered the orgy pit.

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Hello, fellow wise-men. I haven't spoken to the council before, but I briefly visited the last meeting. Now, I got a lot on my mind, and ima lay it on you, so get ready.

Note, some of this is dated, and I am not really up to date on recent events (3 threads to catch up on), but the points stand.

As I was catching up in the archives I wanted to point out a few things:

1. Our tribe should be called "The River Whore," and not for Chani - we just whore ourselves out too much. We whored Trym out, we whored Groza out, we try to appease every god, etc.

2. The priestesses/priests need a young apprentice. What if one of those fuckers dies and we are left with no contact / no knowledge of what the gods like. Especially Chani's priestess - she is our most valuable asset, now that you guys made Trym a whore. Might even consider a little "school" / "cult" type deal for each spirit. Although cult sounds evil. What I mean by that are people who follow a way of life endorsed by the god, as well as seeking to understand them.

We also need non-magical translators.

3. We really need to look into a physical conditiong program - maybe take some youths and see what works best. We want to keep our tribe strong and competent. Time to invent some Chi Kung and weight lifting.

4. I think we should really value the spirits we started with - have a festival in honor of Chani primarily, toast fot Hrunti who has been a brother to our people, and drink to Groza who remained a good friend despite our transgressions, promise not to repeat them. Mention the goddess of beauty and that you could have not made it without her, give her dude. However, mention that the first three are the most important.

>>21596554


5. We should have handled winter ourselves, despite the casualties. Soon, we won't be able to appease all the gods / will not be able to give proper respect.

6. Hrunti may seem like he is going out of style, but he is not. Leave the deer alone, let them repopulate. Have hunters go out to other lands, perhaps invite Hrunti to join. Not as a blessing, but if he wants to come. One day Hrunti may be the patron spirit of other types of hunters, if you know what I am saying.

7. A road between the two villages MAY seem like a good idea, but it's not. If we want more trade / interaction, we are better off building a large raft with regular trips. Both faster and cheaper at this time. Much faster.

8. Speaking of rafts, we really need to look into oars and sails. Maybe a primitive crossbow as well. Doesn't even have to be a crossbow. Learn swivelling mount / balljoint (we will need it for other things as well. Mount a big-ass bow on it with a stick in the middle, perpendicular to the bow string, and a peg to hold the bow taut. This will let us defend the river.

9.

Thunder - our very own caveman special forces:

Our ten (now 9?) warriors need to develop some serious tactics / equipment. I present problems and solutions, it's cool if solutions aren't "realistic" according to gm at this stage. One, they need to close to arrows. Shield wall. Two, they need to learn to be stealthy. Camoflauge, wind, not sillhouting, etc. Talk to Hrunti. He knows whats up. Ways to take care of the injured - perhaps field medicine, perhaps some sort of stretcher. Four - they need to be stronger, fucking fitness program. Five - a better cqb weapon. Maybe punch daggers, maybe axes. Metal is not good enough for swords. Six: winter warfare - these are our shock troops. Anytime, anywhere yo. At least give them the early version of skis - shoes with wide wood plabks tied to them so they dont sink in the snow for now. Seven - short range projectiles - pilum (heavier tip than spears, unbalance shields, pierce armor) and/or throwing knives. Eight - they need their own boat - thinking longboat type deal. Lots of development for that. Nine - endurance training - need to cover distance fast. Anytime, anywhere, yo. Ten - mountain warfare - ropes and climbing and shit (manwall for fences without rope / quickly).

Eleven - firing bows in close proximity (cover in CQB) / switching to blades. Make me the director. I got this shit on lock. Eleven - gear for taking prisons. Twelve - honor, we want these fuckers liked by all the spirits / respected by fellow tribes (not viewed as aggressors) and not doing anything dirty unless they absolutely have to. Thirteen - force projection and command roles. Teach these fuckers a chant of Groza, give them some drums. Make them drive fear into enemies and spur brothers in arms forward. If in woods alone, facing army, spread them out and make them make noise and fires like an army is advancing. If in formation, let them encourage their friends.

Finally, we might want to hide their presence over-all, or create another unit. This unit would serve as our black ops for ambushing, kidnapping, and stealing technology. They would still fight, but they won't do so under our banner. It is clear we will come in contact with greater civilizations. This is a must.

10. We need to make friends with the cold spirt. Find our own way to deal with her - maybe pre-build huge pyres, whatever. We don't want to be the sun goddess' bitch. We shall always pay her respects, but we shan't run to her for everything. The cold spirit is a virgin, that is, unclaimed. She can be a VERY powerful ally should someone come to wage war with us.

11. IRRIGATION. We need the go-ahead from Chani first, if she doesn't mind, this will make our crops way better. Also, more research into crops (i.e. crop rotation, manure and compost on the fields, etc).

12. Also, time for some fucking fireplaces and Roman heater floors.

13. Patrols. Groza's 10 warriors can do these a lot - they can use the practice and endurance training. They better patrol silently too.

14. Make ice sculptures in the winter for the emo spirit.

15. Stop listening to Refrek - he is a trickster at best, a cute little kid, but we shouldn't let him in the room with strangers, so he doesn't smear his shit on the table, as he keeps doing. Also, he keeps pissing Groza off. Keep that puppy on a leash.

TL;DR (numbering does not carry over / this is a lazy summary with add-ons):

1. Stop whoring our gods and heroes, cherish them.
2. Get some real commandos.
3. Stop the bullshit politics - they only work rarely, i.e. stop listening to Refrek.
4. Honor your spirits properly.
5. Irrigation, better ships.
6. Apprentices, translators.
7. Make me responsible for the special forces, I got this.
8. Stop telling everyone about our gods, in detail and showing them the shrines.

"T-t-thank you for listening, don't send me off to live with the bitch-ass river brothers tribe like Trym...oh, and we should also befriend the Crow god, seeing how he is wise and already a bro..."

>>21596554
>>21596564
>>21596574

One thing I gotta say it we have a total of 20 professional soldiers (including Gerin).

Oh, and maybe we should find a cave to worship what's her face, winter-spirit who is boning Mikulah. We can stuff the cave with ice blocks since the temperature there is pretty constant and they may last a while. Hell, insulate that bitch so they can shag in the cold and keep her happy.

>>21596708

I am considering splitting them into black ops and direct action 10-man units. Or make them all black ops who can come out with the army. We really need a guerilla / ambush / retrieve / early strike / sabotage / etc unit. They still need to be honorable though, because of Groza and all.

>>21596763
Also, pretty much all my insane gambits had panned out so far.

>>21596647
One more thing, I disagree that we should start breaking ties and alienating the River Brothers. We need them. We have turned the Earthsplitters into friends, and so not allies to the spray folk, but at the same time the River Brothers are now looking to shaping up to be their allies. We need to deny them as many potential soldiers as possible.

>>21596840

Don't get me wrong - I am not hating on you. I see your purpose, etc. I am not hating on you "irl" either. It's more of a note of what you are in the setting - a very well-defined "trickster" type character. It's not that we don't need you, it's that people need to realize this sometimes, because all the god-whoring / big-talk will catch up with us eventually if we don't check it. Shake hands? (Don't stab me!)

I don't remember if Gerin is the priest of Groza (he is kind of boring / insignificant) or if it's the ninja girl who won the tournie. Either way, girl needs to be our ninja.

When we encounter bigger civs, we will be able to use spies. For now populations are too low to go unnoticed.

Train her up on languages, get her charisma up along with all the other training. Maybe she can even hang out with Yeneth and learn to whore it up a bit.

>>21596923

I think you misinterpred what I said, or I phrased it poorly. I never intended the breaking of ties with river brothers. I encourage trade with them / sharing supplies. Just don't whore our best to them. Also, don't whore our gods out to anyone. What you did with Groza / his spear - that was flat-out wrong imo.

As for river brothers, as transportation gets better, etc, we just need to integrate them. Stay technology / militarily advanced though, or they will integrate us.

Also, we need to keep in mind that our gods might be our key in defense against bigger civs. STOP WHORING THEM.

>>21596949
Gerin is his priest, and he isn't boring, just hasn't had a major battle to participate in yet (that'll change early next year).

Groza won't approve of espionage, he is very against that kind of thing.

As for the selling our gods thing, I see nothing wrong with that. The gods should be our tools, not friends, able to be destroyed or done away with at a moment's notice.

>>21597048

>Groza won't approve of espionage, he is very against that kind of thing.

No, he is against you whoring him and torturing prisoners. Espionage is a way of preparing to battle an advanced enemy. He will very much like it when we go to war with stronger civs and win. Also, nothing like a good ambush skirmish.

>As for the selling our gods thing, I see nothing wrong with that. The gods should be our tools, not friends, able to be destroyed or done away with at a moment's notice.

Too arrogant and delusional. Chani kept us alive all this time - we would have starved without the fish and would have been unable to communicate. Hrunti taught us of the gods. We will DEFINITELY need Groza to keep our shit together during war.

So, I disagree with you entire. Your scheming might work for some time, but eventually it will eventually get your raped.

Anyway, we should ask Groza directly - ask him if he would be opposed to espionage, ambushes, theft of strategic assets (in enemy territory, from SOLDIERS / military compounds), and other such things in preparation for battle. We should also ask Chani if she will help the warriors with their medical skills. And Hrunti, if he will help with the tracking.

If the answer is no, we will need to look into an alternative black ops unit. We absolutely need this strategic capability. We are outnumbered, technologically inferior...and they let you into political discussions with emissaries sometimes.

>>21597048
>>21597176

Just a quick note: IIRC Britfag said Groza is a god of (fair?) brawl/battle, not really a god of war. I don't think he would mind espionage.

Also hello everyone and good to see new blood brought into this tribe and discussion.

>>21596708
I'd hardly call them 'professional soldiers', but yeah, that's about it.

On with the thread!

Turn Report

Population: 553 (204 elders and children)
Food: 4/15
Morale: 6/16

Known Food Sources: Average deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes, forest foods,
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, Copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, Crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, crude instruments, rough berry liquor, tribal militia, crude ideograms, primitive copper trinkets, crude clay writing tablets, clay wall-tiles

Moon 7

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river
Natural quarry

>>21597176
Groza is not a war god, he is a battle god. He likes fair battles between individuals, espionage. Spying, sneaking, poison, assassinations, it's not his deal. Why do you think I have refrained from sending in agents to the Spray Folk to kill their Lord Cheiftan.

We need a god of such things for this to go under, I suggest a god of death. Very shadow oriented and will probably enjoy the assassinations and what not.

Yes, the gods have helped us, that is not reason for us to give them our all. We should honor them, but be ready to function without them if ever necessary, or be ready to banish them if they turn against us.

>>21597261
Groza is the god of battle and fighting, not of war or anything else. He enjoys drinking and contests of strength, but his powers are exclusively focused on the clash of people and weapons. Nothing else. Or so Gerin says anyway.

Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Gather wild food in the forest
E) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
F) Hold a cultural event (specify)
G) Craft specific objects
H) Send envoys to another tribe
I) Other
J) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)

>>21597274
C) Send our men out to gather copper
B) Send Rina on over to get us some salmon
Free Action: Ask Mickey if Khoine is pregnant. If she is do this:
I) Contact Khoine, and have Mickey tell her she needs to start learning how to control her powers, and the best bet to do so is to go to Chani. We send here there until it is time for the baby to be born, hopefully it's long enough.
If not do this:
F) Forge more shields for our warriors.

>>21596554
1. No. I get what you mean. And yes, we might just have to be a little less forgiving in diplomacy.
2. IIRC has recently been discussed and should be in the planning some time soon. If I'm not mistaken, we wanted to give the shamans apprentices. And translators should be in the works too.
3. Good idea. If not a conditioning program, at least some kind of sport / martial art that people enjoy practicing. Will keep them going.
4. I can agree with that. Although we shouldn't diminish other spirits while doing so.

>>21596564
5. We will deal with it when the time comes
6. I agree with that.
7. I don't think that was suggested. Maybe it was about a road to the Lion tribe.
8. That's future talk

Hi guys, sorry I'm late, was looking at some christmas shi-holy hell, who posted their college dissertation?

Rolled 1, 3, 3 = 7

>>21597393

And I already forget the name, this is not a good omen.

>>21597331

The God of Death has one purpose - to comfort our tribe on their afterlife, and make the passage smooth. He likely has no other purpose. I know you are obsessed with him, but that doesn't change these probable conclusions.

Assassination of political figures - perhaps not, let's ask him. Ask Hrunti too. Hrunti might support our assassins - stalking silently and going for the kill is kind of his thing. Anyway, while Groza might not support outright assassination, ambushing defended caravans (and only killing the soldiers) - I don't think he would have a problem with this.

>>21597261

Espionage is a way of being informed before battle, I think it's fine too, we should ask.

>>21597274

>I'd hardly call them 'professional soldiers', but yeah, that's about it.

How would training them work? Would it take up turns or can I just set a general direction (with the approval of the council) and then have them go at it over time?

>>21597351
On a side note, if you are ever unsure what an action would fall under, just ask! For example, some things might be considered both research and cultural, so just ask if you need clarification. It's easier than just listing everything a 'other'

>>21596574
Sounds good to me. Very far into the future, but fine. And I like the idea of them learning from every one of our gods. Chani - combat healing, groza - combat skills, hrunti - sneaking/ambushing, yenetha(?) - disguise/seduction, koihne - harsh weather training.
Altough, again very far into the future.

>>21596606
10. Agreed
11. Yep. Also I want my moat, dammit
12. Sounds cool.
13. Agreed
14. ... okay?
15. No can do. He got some good ideas from time to time, if he keeps his mind off of death cults and demi god babys long enough.

>>21597351

I don't know enough to contribute, but I want to talk to Gerin about how Groza feels about these things specifically:

1. Ambushing caravans to steal artifacts, only hurt the guards.
2. How he would feel about his whatever they are called learning medicine too.
3. How he feels about sabotage RIGHT before war, against a superior enemy.
4. How he feels about assassination of highly guarded targets - smaller force overcoming a larger force.

Want to ask Hrunti how he feels about assassination.

Want to ask Chani how she feels about training soldiers to heal, as long as they promise to be honorable.

>>21597384

>that's future talk

True, but we can start looking into skin crafts for silent, quick gliding.

>>21597393

Had a lot to catch up on, I promise I will stfu.

Rolled 4, 1, 6 = 11

>>21597370

Seconding.

>>21597393
>>21597407
Yea, kind of a heavy start tonight, senile wise man.

>>21597351
C) More copper
G) More shields
J) What do the wise ones suggest?

@Britfag - I don't expect you to read all my shit btw, nor will I be clogging your threads from now on, just wanted to get that out there.

>>21597466

Ice statues are just a way to make the cold spirit feel welcome - as in the cold is...well, cold, but can also be beautiful. Dawww.

I agree that special forces are very far into the future, but we need to start now to get a tradition going. I can take it step by step.

>>21597466
thanks for defending me, brings a tear to my eye.

Also, the demigod baby is a good idea. Just think of the benefits, and with how Mickey is doing looks like it might happen wether we want it to or not.

Rolled 5, 3, 3 = 11

>>21597572
I'm with you too, you're a lunatic, but you're a lunatic with tenure.

>>21596647
For the gods, they can NEVER be only our gods unless they are very local. Treating the like a tap is sensible. Sabotage is seen by most people as wrong and cowardly; it's diplomatic suicide. Refrek usually gets talked down from the manipulations and the rest are fine. Why would we think of irrigation? Apprentices were put forward and are in the works. The population is far to low for special forces. Keep in mind that Rome had no professional soldiers until Marius. Expanding the power and influence of the gods we have access to is a solid investment.

>>21596606
Huh, all that and no mention of a chief? Dammit, one more person I gotta convince...
Nah, but welcome aboard. I agree with the whoring of Trym, disagree with doing things only ourselves and disregarding the gods. Many tend to look up to us, and you don't turn down help when it comes in the form of magical fish powers.

>>21597717

>For the gods, they can NEVER be only our gods unless they are very local.

We named them. We can stay their favored tribe. Chani has been exclusively our god. You can't deny that. She kept us alive all this time. You might think otherwise, but we wouldn't have made it without the fish / her translations / her healing of our heroes.

>Sabotage is seen by most people as wrong and cowardly; it's diplomatic suicide.

Sabotage can be both before and after war was declared. Before, it does not need to be known. Also, it's part of preparing for battle. I don't see Groza as being an idiot who cannot understand that odds need to be tipped from "impossible" sometimes.

>The population is far to low for special forces.

We already have special forces. Moot point. Now we just need to train them right. (Suggestion for immediate action coming next turn).

>Keep in mind that Rome had no professional soldiers until Marius

Rome would have benefited from some elite, small task units. They didn't have them because the Legions worked.

>>21597792
how about an elected leader instead of a "chieftain", chosen by deed and not blood? elected by the family heads.

>>21597611
You don't find enough lunatics willing to wage war one thread, and then conduct a friendly trade mission the next.

>>21597832
Groza wants a good fight, he would probably enjoy a more even battle.

>>21597792

Hey, nice to meet you. I am not against using what the gods give us - fish, blessing in battle, asking Hrunti about "human hunting" / assassination. I am just against about asking them for help on everything, all the time. A generous host gets tired of it when abused. We have to show them that we respect them, not just use them.

As far as a Chief goes - I don't see why. Maybe a chain of command for the military, but a chief just centralizes power, makes corruption, etc easier. Harder to remove if incompetent, etc. A chief is only useful for quick decisions, which is only needed in the military.

>>21597843
I was presented with a bigger dickish enemy, I hate two front wars. Might as well deny the spray folk as many allies as possible. If we can turn the Earthsplitters into blood brothers all the better. After this war I seriously doubt they will turn on us to side with the spray folk, the River Brothers... that is another story.

>>21597833
I'm totally down with that, I think it was brought up when we started one of these conversations with no endings a few threads ago. A tournament to decide the strongest and wisest to lead our tribe.

>>21597875
How about we just give it to Trym and call it a day...

>>21597854

>ib4 the ocean tribe comes in with crossbows. steel plate, and ship-mounted ballistas and makes you a slave

Rolled 2, 1, 5 = 8

>>21597887
Oh come on, we're not THAT far.

>>21597885
Because after every winter we have to kick him out to go live with the River Brothers. It's a bitch.

>>21597887
Why do you think I allowed some of our people to go there as workers? It's get a gauge on their tech and military structure. Also, the next batch of workers we send will be warriors, when we finally go to war they;ll open the gates for us from the inside.

>>21597536
The Elders' greatest concern is the food situation. The're particularly worried about the following year, if not the winter. They strongly want the tribe to spend a great deal of time gathering anything it can. Since settling down, the population has exploded beyond all recognition.

The elders are also worried about provoking the Sun People. Many are concerned that an attack will just bring their wrath down upon the village.

>>21597370
Mikuhla simply gives the inquisitive elders a flat look and sighs. "Khoine and I... Are our own business. We're taking things at our own pace. Besides, how do we know gods and mortals can even have children? ...Please, do not speak to me more of... Us." He seems somewhat embarrassed by the questioning.

>>21597904

I am just saying - this world obviously has more advanced tribes than us. Some of them might decide they are better off with slaves than primitives that might rise up.

Especially uppity primitives who let Refrek talk. (Really Ref, I like you, but really Ref.)

>>21597908
Gerin then? He isn't doing much beside drinking and fighting all day. Learning to lead might do him some good.

>>21597918

>implying those people you sent haven't been sold as house slaves

Oh, you.

Rolled 5, 1, 1 = 7

>>21597921
Alright I'm voting we give Mikhula his space, at our current rate we're coming off as stereotypical 'I want Grandkids!' parents.

>>21597931

I am against. Make him leader of the army if you want. We don't need some dimwit fanatic as our leader.

(Shhh, don't tell him I said that.)

>>21597933
they wouldn't do that, we have some of their people as well. We both have hostages. Your extreme speculations aren't helping anyone. Besides, we have allies up and down the river. They wouldn't risk provoking the most powerful tribe in the Riverlands.

Sure they are powerful, but needless war is idiotic. They have bronze and well made canoes, the things you are suggesting are obviously beyond them.

I'm a bloody lunatic and I'm coming off as more reasonable than you.

>>21597918
They would probably be locked away, anyways.

>>21597921
Then we should really get going and gather lotsa food and expand the farms the coming turns.
>>21597931
He's a fighter, not a leader. I doubt he has any political, diplomatic or managing skills.

>>21597952
I see a fantasy sitcom, set in the copper age...

>>21598019
He isn't stupid, that's the thing. His backstory actually has him as pretty intelligent. The only thing we have to do is get him to back off the drink and he'll be fine for leadership.

>>21597370
Seconded.

But also please ask the blacksmith if we can get some arms and armor made for Trym and Groza's Devout for the battle.

"We know you were probably instructed not to create weapons of war for us but this coming battle changes everything. If we are not victorious in the struggle our entire village may simply cease to exist and the people you have come to know and possibly even care about in some small way after all these moons will disappear forever. I appeal to your honor and sense of being a good man in this request. I ask not to arm our whole village, not even I would think to ask so much, but only a handful of our host who will probably see the hardest fighting."

>>21598026
>They wouldn't risk provoking the most powerful tribe in the Riverlands.

Your delusions of grandeur are cute. They can walk us. Easily. That's my assessment.

>>21598045

Disagreed.

Oh man, it seems we will always be against each other now.

>>21598045
Still, I think he isn't fit for the job. With his position as Groza's shaman and master battle brother, he doesn't have room for another full-time job as chief.

>>21598036
Well, they will have been brought out each day to do field work and what not (that is what he wanted them for). If we plan this right they should be able to get away long enough to open the gates for us. We can "pay allegiance" to them by sending a total of 60-70 workers, where in reality there are simply more soldiers for the uprising, while our people wait outside.

>>21597870
It's true, a part of what makes a political leader like a chief so effective is the amount of social power they wield, and the amount of trouble that could be caused should the leader become corrupted, or fall to the cold hands of death. But it is that same reverence the people hold to a leader that makes them such a valuable asset in organizing an empire. People respond better to a good leader, and besides that, if one is picked who remains strong, and clear-headed, the empire prospers from the wise judgements they make, and agree too. And besides that, a strong leader can intimidate our enemies, and if we can protect the leader from any possible 'assassination' attempts, their intimidation can keep our enemies from even opening up war, our leader becoming a kind of untouchable figure in their eyes. And we're going to war, the fact that they can give orders more quickly is a huge reason I'm strong arming this conversation so much, our military kinda sucks.

>>21597832
Nobody asked about Chani. To our knowledge.
That is a contemporary perspective.
No, we do not. He have priests. that can refuse jobs that don't line up with their god.
You are thinking of saboteurs. Or raiders. The presence of those is an ethical question at this point in time.

>>21598070
What is your evidence that they could just steam roll us? If we play our cards right we are four allied tribes (five if we force the Sun People's fealty to us). They are one tribe.

And the thing is, we are the most powerful tribe in the Riverlands, denying that would be silly.

I say we wait on any assessments for their power until our workers get back to inform us of their strength.

>>21597921
Rina is once again called from her shrine to bless the fishing expedition. She doesn't seem to mind, taking it more as her duty now, rather than something special. The fish once again almost seem eager to jump onto the fishermen's spears, resulting in a huge haul that everyone in the village cheers for, before setting them to smoke and dry.

Some of the men again head out to gather copper. There's some distinct grumbling beforehand though and several are seen bartering their time at the pit with others who haven't been before. It doesn't seem a particularly popular detail. Their return at the end of the moon however, heralds the fresh arrival of more copper for the craftsmen!

Several of the village, unsatisfied with just their spears and axes in drill, take to making shields, nailing slats of wood together with copper rivets to block attacks. Some even use berry juice and charcoal to paint scary faces on them!

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Rolled 5, 3, 4 = 12

>>21598070
Every time you post I read it in Pic-Related's voice.

>>21598062
Thank you! I keep forgetting to bring up the blacksmith, I support this post.

>>21598062
Not sure it's a good idea to tell this guy from a not-quite-hostile tribe all about our problems. Not that he doesn't know already.

>>21598070
I'd say we are about even, if we account for the lion tribe and maybe the earth splitters (though these probably wouldn't help)
I agree, we have to be careful with them.
Don't worry, you'll be friends in no time.

>>21598081
Let's keep this for when the time is right. We already have a war at hand.


God dammit, this thread moves faster than ever. I can barely keep up.

Rolled 3, 2, 4 = 9

>>21598132
...Best...arts and crafts...ever.

>>21598132
Turn Report

Population: 553 (204 elders and children)
Food: 6/15
Morale: 6/16

Known Food Sources: Average deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes, forest foods,
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, Copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, Crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, crude instruments, rough berry liquor, tribal militia, crude ideograms, primitive copper trinkets, crude clay writing tablets, clay wall-tiles

Moon 8

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river
Natural quarry

> You folks have a lot to say tonight!

>>21598137
Is anyone else starting to get suspicious on how long it is taking for the blacksmith to choose an apprentice to teach how to smith bronze? I am starting to get the idea that the spray folk never wanted to give us the info at all. We need to start pressuring him into giving us the information, or at least ask him how long it will take. It's been over a year already.

>>21598171
Now that you're mentioning it...
>>21598132
>Some even use berry juice and charcoal to paint scary faces on them!
Yes. All hail the scary faces tribe

>>21598132
Sounds like we need a leader to give them some minin' spirit! Note: not a real mining spirit, don't even know if that exists, just, y'know, pep them up.

>>21598171
I don't think it's him not taking an apprentice so much as Britfag being too busy with everything else going on to remember it.

>>21598155
Like you said, he already knows and the worst he can say is no. If he says yes though, we have 20 sets of bronze arms and armor and that isn't really a bad thing to have right now.

>>21598169
As it is harvest season, the household who claimed the fields will spend this turn gathering the crops.

Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Gather wild food in the forest
E) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
F) Hold a cultural event (specify)
G) Craft specific objects
H) Send envoys to another tribe
I) Other
J) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)

>>21598086

Our military is trash, we got lucky with Trym EVERY time, purely lucky. I agree with you to the extent of needing a military leader, but I still think we are better off with a council for civil leadership. Though I might reconsider if we get a suitable candidate. Trym the Village Whore no longer applies.

>>21598125

The River Brothers are against war. Counting them as an effective ally is silver-tongued bullshit. The Lion Tribe isn't shit. The Sun People barely know us.

There is no "one tribe," there is no "effective alliance."

>>21598169
> "Hey Bill look at this?"
> "Look at what Gurk?"
> "This!"
holds up shield
> "You spilt your drink on your shield, great job."
> "No Bill, it's a face."
> "I don't see any face."
Turns shield sideways
Squints
> "Oh I think I see it now, whose face is it?"
> "Your's Bill!"

And that was the day Gurk was given a concussion.

>>21598155
>I'd say we are about even, if we account for the lion tribe and maybe the earth splitters (though these probably wouldn't help)
>I agree, we have to be careful with them.

I don't know who the earth splitters are - 4 threads behind, but I decided I want to play anyway. Are they the guys with the arrogant chief?

If so, they are NOT with us.

Ref talks of allies that are simply not there.

>>21598249
That's why we are going to war, to force their fealty. The River Brothers aren't soldiers, but our supply lines. The Lion lords are warriors, and are already gearing up for war. The Earthsplitters will be easy to convince if we offer them Bronze lore.

>>21598239

I propose this as one of the actions, while we should probably gather more food too:

E/I). Not sure which one. Don't make a big

deal out of it, but call a meeting of the wise

ones / priests. The topic of the discussion is

the need for effective, elite soldiers both to

rally the troops, and hit hard, as well as to

work "black ops" missions. Get a consensus of how

the gods feel about these as one, or a separate

unit.

Bring up that we must figure out what makes

certain warriors stand out among the rest, see if

we can cultivate these qualities.

>>21598239
Free Action: Talk to that bronze guy, we need to know when an apprentice will be found.
B) Send them to go get deers and try to capture one or two.
I) Send Trym to go out to train with Gerin, both of our great heroes training for combat might help other people get motivated to train with them
G) Craft a second mobile shrine, this one to Hrunti.

>>21598314

Sorry, for some reason notepad posted weird:

>>21598275
Yes they are, the EarthSplitters promised to be our Bannermen last thread and to go to war under the Banner of Wolfsbane next spring, same with the Lion Lords. The River Brothers promised us food goods.

>>21598206
Either that, or a set schedule so everyone gets to go. Alternatively some dedicated miners / gatherers.

>>21598249
>implying it wasn't the will of the gods that made Trym win
I agree that we are basically just 2 tribes, but still think that would be enough to hold ground against the oceaners.
>>21598275
They are for now, against the sun tribe. This might strengthen relations. And still, our 2 tribes should be enough to hold ground for now. Not saying we can relax.

>>21598319

1. Leave the deer alone.
2. We can do what I proposed instead of G. Our military is a shitty militia atm.

>>21598319
I'll second, but I'd like to change the G to F) Hold a series of tournaments in different subjects to decide a leader. Or just elect one. Something.

>>21598239
Huh. Seems like having a family to do the mining might prove to have similar beneficial results.
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Rolled 3, 2, 4 = 9

>>21598358
Seconding his variation of >>21598319

>>21598351
As I recall the Earthsplitters said they would send their own scouts to assess the situation with the new tribe.

>>21598319
Second the choices and the free action but ask about arming Trym and Groza's devout with bronze gear instead of the apprentice. I think the apprentice thing can wait another turn to be honest. Last time we tried to push one on him he didn't take it too well and I'd rather have some bronze shit before this battle.

>>21598354

From what I understand, the Ocean Tribe is pretty far down the river - as in days away BY BOAT. That makes it a week or two by land, through the woods.

This isn't a marine force attacking, this isnt a bunch of soldiers who can live off the land. This is a ragtag militia doing a forced march.

Scouts WILL spot us. If they spot us on the river, their superior navy will attack us. If spotted on land, they will prepare their defenses.

We will starve at their walls. We do NOT have an effective military. Neither do the other tribes.

>>21598275
Yes, they are. I spent twenty minutes writing that speech.

>>21598239
I) Capture some deer (don't hunt them) for our pasture that's supposedly there.
F) Have the most important people look for a suitable chief. Include the shamen, wise ones, heads of the families. He should be in charge for 24 moons.
I) Try this black ops bullshit the newbie suggested.

>>21598385
Just what I said. Although we might want to make them general gatherers. Or at some point all we have is copper. And also that might detriment our turn actions, as we have less free people.

>>21598411
Well, their military isn't probably any better, so as I said, we can hold our ground. Stalemate.

>>21598443

I guess I am not caught up. So, they go from being arrogant and dismissive to going to war with us with no worry of betrayal on our side? Did we pull some "Hurr durr, they withold technology from us and suppress us all mumbo-jumbo?"

>>21598474
It's about the sun-tribe's attitude towards other gods. They are religious zealots. We instilled the fear for our own gods in everybody else to get their support.
And it's not said that we are best buddies with them yet.

>>21598411
We have no intentions of going to war with them at any time in the near future, the near future being withing the next 20-24 moon cycles. All focus is on the Sun-Tribe, the Ocean Tribe pose no threat as of yet, and we can't have talk of war with them going around when we have their bronze smith with us, who is still taking his long-ass time to pick an apprentice. You know the motherfucker's just gonna pick some hot young chick he can get some lovemaking out of. Filthy Ocean bastard...

>>21598411
THeir fields are outside their walls, we take their fields before the harvest and wait. Why do you think is history the attackers never starve, the defenders do.

Do you even tactics?

Rolled 5, 4, 2 = 11

>>21598474
No...the Chief turned out to be a guy who cares for his people and knows the score, we also impressed the fact that the Sun People would subjugate them and their gods.

"Under no Sun Person yoke, shall an Earthsplitter toil."

>>21598459

I second this. Even though you called my military program "bullshit"! bawwww.

>their military isn't any better

Questionable. First of all, they have swords. Second of all, they can outmaneuver us on the river, making a navy approach very risky.

The Emperor of Mankind, His Holy Lord Jesus, has declared that looking into asking questions of the gods would be a wise thing to do.

>>21597513
These questions will suffice.

Rolled 2, 5, 1 = 8

>>21598519
Wait, wouldn't Jesus be the Son of God Emperor of Mankind?

Badumtish

>>21598503
Yeah, my long term plan has warfare with the ocean tribe in 108 moon cycles at the moment (could be receded by ten if the war with the Sun-People goes well).

>>21598411
You seem to want to tribe to go down the path of the militaristic theocracy. Why? Making your military leaders your peace-time leaders has REALLY bad consequences. Having elite-people in general at this point in cultural development of the tribe means setting up a fairly rigid hierarchy.

>>21598498

I see, thanks.

>>21598503

>whoring out our best girls
>Ref would be proud

>>21598505

What, we are going to build a siege camp now? The defenders starve depending on their supplies. Just because the attackers take the fields doesn't mean the fields haven't been destroyed beforehand / the crop gathered.

We can't hold up a prolonged war. As I said, you have a silver-tongue, but it's not realistic.

>>21598562
You are not wrapping your head around the concept of early bronze age are you? What you are suggesting are desirable things for the most part but are unfortunately out of our reach.

Ok, here is a revised version of my plan.

Free Action: Talk to that bronze guy, we need to know when an apprentice will be found.
B) Send men out to kill a few deer, but to capture enough to add to that pen we've just had sitting around.
I) Send Trym to go out to train with Gerin, both of our great heroes training for combat might help other people get motivated to train with them
E) Elect a leader for our tribe, bring the family heads together to consider different candidates. This leader will have dominion over our military and be our public face for diplomatic relations.

>>21598545

You missed my point / I am bad at making my point. I am AGAINST an overall leader. I am FOR a military leader, that is SUBMISSIVE to the tribe elders. I recommend a military leader for swift military action when need be.

As far as my "black ops" - they can be independent of the military, and the military leader's authority - swearing loyalty to the village heads.

>>21598519

Brofist.

>>21598562
River Brothers. Arrangement. Food. I really hate to sound like a dick man, but Refrek has brought this up before, did you see the post?

>>21598536
Jesus is the Son of the Father of Mankind, but is still under the domain of the Emperor of Humankind, Iridius Maximus Horatio Hamlet Guildenstern Rosencrantz Diddlus Gaius Biggius Dickius Faggotis

>>21598562
From what I hear, the Sun People have their village backed up to a mountain. Why not just maneuver our forces to the front gate, send some bowmen/spearmen up the mountain to stand over them, and then hit them in the back while they are looking at their front?

>>21598511
Sorry, it came naturally after writing "blackops".
And yea, I forgot about the swords. Still, it may be an advantage, but not a steel breast plate advantage.

>>21598539
...Let's see if that's needed.

>>21598614
This one
>>21598351

>>21598593

I am strongly against this and for Ska's plan here:
>>21598459

Against a forced leader, against killing deer and marginalizing Hrunti, am ok with Trym and Gerin training together, but don't think it's worth an action.

>>21598562
Ah, but we have a god of harvest on our side if we decide to go to war with them. We'll be able to supply ourselves with food the all natural, forcing a god to do it, way. As well, the River Brothers can be convinced to supply us with food from their new large and in charge farming operations. We have strong ties with them and some repairing will surely be easy enough, especially if we give them some kind of nice gift taken from the Sun People.

As for the whoring comment. I resent that. I always desire for us to be at the center of power, we tie other tribes to us, not us to them. That's why I marry our men away, not our women.

108 turns will be enough to turn ourselves into a powerful enough tribe to fight them. THe Lion Lords will gain in strength, ties with the earth splitters will be strengthened, and over time we can turn the sun people into allies, as we did with the Lion Lords.

>>21598614

Yea, I read it. They can't carry that many supplies. Your strategy suggests that we are going to blockade the river AND keep them behind their walls while camping out in a makeshift camp. I don't think that's realistic, at all.

>>21598620

I don't know where we stand on the war with the sun people, so I can't add much to that subject.

>>21598653

The fact that the Lion people became our allies was luck (i.e. Trym luck), as well as their mentality. Not all people become friends with those who attack them.

As far as your war - we don't know if we can even hold outside of their walls without getting slaughtered.

Brit, I'm curious, did you keep track of how many years we've been playing?

>>21598673
Does the sun tribe even have river access? I'm not sure right now. Not that you (I have no idea as well) confuse their village with the ocean tribe's one.

>>21598620
Mostly because I don't think they would build their tribe in such a vulnerable position. These guys are zealots, not idiots.
>>21598673
That's why we have researched the yolks and carts. We partner with the Lion Lords and we will have a minimum of 40-50 cow pulled carts by the time spray folk warfare is upon us. Supply trains are fairly easy to be handled.

We obviously outnumber the spray folk, and if we search during this 108 turns we might be able to find even more allies willing to join our cause. They are superior to us in tech, but tech won't help them as they starve in their walls.

You guys want me to writefag something up to try and motivate people to train?

>>21598765
If you want to, I always enjoy your writefaggotry.

>>21598735
Back to a mountain seems like a good idea until you find your enemies sitting on top of said mountain. If we can maintain the high ground near their village and proceed to just throw shit behind their walls while we bust down their shit on the other side, there is no way our siege could go badly.

And please, PLEASE, can we ask Hrunti about training some hunters to become assassins? Pretty pretty pretty please?

>>21598673
I support the idea of a makeshift camp, because I believe the River Brothers are supposed to drop off foodstuff periodically, not all in one go. Am I wrong in believing this? Do we need to hold a discussion with the River Brothers about this?

>>21598731
Sun Tribe is up in the mountains pretty well away from the river, iirc. Well, at least from our river.

>>21598765
As long as it has the words, 'worthless,' and, 'maggot,' used more than once.

>>21598731

I am talking about the Ocean Tribe. I have been the whole time. My fault for not specifying. I know nothing of this Sun Tribe war. I thought we were discussing the plan to siege them.

>>21598731
No, the river doesn't go by the mountains. If they do it'll be via some built road.

>>21598827
No, Refrek wants to lay waste to the Ocean Tribe sure, but he wants to lay waste to everything.

The Empire is currently focused on the Sun Tribe, which presents a major threat to our gods with their Zealous ways.

>>21598827
No, the war with the Spray Folk is not on the table at the moment for at least 100 turns. It's really far out. You don;t have to worry about us going on an offensive with them before that unless they provoke it.

>>21598780

(1/2)

"Friends, Brothers, fellow Tribesmen, I come before you today on the eve of perhaps our peoples greatest challenge. Not too long from now we shall take to the fields for the first time on a war the likes of which we have never seen before. For the first time we will be marching on a walled village. I won't lie to you, this will be difficult and, as with anything done for the first time in life, there will be mistakes made. But there is something we can do to lessen the cost of this learning process. Time and time again I have stood at the fore of our people against both Gods and Men in equal stead, but some day I won't be here anymore and you will all be tasked to continue our tribes ascent to greatness. To do this, however, we must change some of our previous views on how battle is commenced and the tests we must pass to attain excellence.

What I ask of you today is nothing we couldn't do if we all do our part in this endeavor. I ask you all to train. To make yourselves as fierce as I know you can be. Take up spear and shield and work together to make us the mightiest tribe in all the River Lands, take up these new battering rams and show the world that they cannot hide behind their walls because we will bring them down around their cowardly heads.

>>21598801
Okay, thanks.
>>21598825
Yea, go Full Metal Jacket on them.
>>21598827
Hehe... Well, right now we want to wreck the sun tribe. Refrek talks about the possible war with the oceaners in about 9 years.

>>21598856
(2/2)

With the proper training imagine how many of our friends we could spare the fate of seeing their last days below those walls, how much respect we would earn from our allies and how much fear we would instill into the hearts of those who would dare think ill of us if we made taking that city look like nothing more than an evening stroll through the forest on a calm summer day. I know we can do this, we have overcome obstacles before and this one is no different, all I ask is that you all do the parts you are given and this will become the greatest battle our world has ever seen.
I am yours as I have always been, but soon our tribe as a whole will be called upon to greatness in the eyes of our Gods and men and I do not expect to leave them wanting!

Our fangs be sharp; our reach be long! LONG FANGS FOREVER!"

>>21598782

>And please, PLEASE, can we ask Hrunti about training some hunters to become assassins? Pretty pretty pretty please?

Glad to have you on board. That should be discussed at the meeting, if we go with Ska's plan as Ska, me, and you (presumably) recommend.

I did propose mountain warfare for the future. Assassins climbing walls that are considered unclimable, killing some key people in their sleep, and setting a few fires for good measure the night before the attack is just what the doctor ordered.

>>21598873
And they can wear wolf pelt cloaks, but only from wolves they have successfully hunted alone

>>21598866
Lol, I actually got bored at work last night and wrote this to offset our lackluster training. So, eh, not so much name calling as exhorting to greatness and trying to reason with logic.

>>21598856
>>21598867

Awwww, yea.

>>21598850

Ah, I see, well, at least our gods should be helping us with this one.

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>>21598867
Fuck yea. Britfag, please let Trym say this.

>>21598896

I am cool with that. In fact, I am all about making them hang out in the wilderness all the time and making sure they can cover a ton of ground / live off the land. They should be able to work in small units and go well ahead of the actual force / work independently.

>>21598856
>>21598867
That is the longest and, probably, best thought out writefaggotry I have ever done for 4chan. It's still not great, but eh, hopefully it helps.

Everyone, lets decide on a single thing for this turn so Britfag can write something up. We have two options, mine and Ska's plan. lets vote between the two.

Refrek:
Free Action: Talk to that bronze guy, we need to know when an apprentice will be found.
B) Send men out to kill a few deer, but to capture enough to add to that pen we've just had sitting around.
I) Send Trym to go out to train with Gerin, both of our great heroes training for combat might help other people get motivated to train with them
E) Elect a leader for our tribe, bring the family heads together to consider different candidates. This leader will have dominion over our military and be our public face for diplomatic relations.

Ska:
I) Capture some deer (don't hunt them) for our pasture that's supposedly there.
F) Have the most important people look for a suitable chief. Include the shamen, wise ones, heads of the families. He should be in charge for 24 moons.
I) Try this black ops bullshit the newbie suggested.

>>21598593
Also, seconded for voting purposes.

>>21598900
Nice, I really like it.
>>21598856
>Trym won't be there for us forever
Shit, I suddenly got something in my eye. My eyes are just watering, I'm not crying...

>>21598896
Are there even any wolves left? I thought they scattered after Trym made a name for himself.

>>21598967

The Empire likes Ska's plan, but only because you are obviously putting yours on a pedestal.

Rolled 3, 6, 1 = 10

>>21598593
Seconding.

>>21598641

...Then propose your own?

>>21598967
I vote for me. Though we have some overlap in the election.
Maybe we could also combine black ops and Trym/Gerin training?
And I'm against hunting deer, they should fully repopulate. Good for Hrunti and good for relations with River Brothers.

>>21598952

lol, you inspired me to do more productive shit irl. Not even kidding.

>>21598978

The assassins will have to travel to find them, not our problem, "Do you want to be an assassin or not, son?!!?"

Also, two-unit system has another advantage - keeps either one from going rogue. By that I mean Groza's "Thunder" DA, and Hrunti's yet-to-be-named assassin / sabotage group.

>>21598967

Voting SKA.

>>21598967
Still going with Refrek, though I don't think we should kill any deer, might piss off the River Brothers, or worse, make them think it's okay to start hunting again. They just grew back.

>>21598967
As for mine, we are using Josh's writefaggotry for the speech they deliver with my I).

>>21598967
For it looks like it's 3 for my plan and 3 for Ska's. Anyone want to come and give a tie breaker?

>>21598967
Your plan is centralizing our tribe around heroes and leaders and such, Ska's plan is making things more like an Informed Democracy where the knowledgeable choose who is in power.

I vote for Ska

>>21599050
Yeah, I agree with Refrek but not the killing of deer part.

So, yeah.

Capture the deer.
Elect a leader.
General training with Gerin and Trym plus Trym giving that speech.

I suppose before jumping on the SpecOps idea, we should probably ask Derrick what his feelings on the subject would be though I doubt he would be against it.

>>21598978
The old warrior hero looking down upon the next generation. He's still got godly amounts of fight left in him, but this war may prove an exhibition for the next great warriors of our tribe.

>>21598856
Are...are you adapting Shakespeare?

Ska, but use the Josh guys speech anyways.

This thread suddenly got really political and tense...

>>21598319
The bronzesmith listens to the tribe's request and seems to think it over, before agreeing to make a series of twenty bronze swords for the devouts and for Trym, although he insists it will eat into his supplies substantially. As to the topic of an apprentice, he briefly replies that he is considering several young lads from the village for their potential and that he will select one of them 'soon', before brushing his visitors off and hurrying to set to his work.

The fishermen again take to the river, taking advantage of the salmon run (which the GM forgot to mention last turn, sorry!) once more. Despite not having Rina's help this time, they still manage to land a respectable amount for smoking.

Trym and Gerin find themselves fairly evenly matched in combat. Trym has grown to be a clever and canny warrior, used to facing foes who far out-class him in terms of raw power, while Gerin's natural size and the power of his god make for some truly epic brawls. More people do show up at the training ground, it's true, but most seem to just be there to watch the fight, rather than actually train...

Choosing a leader for the tribe is a long and tricky process. If mere strength were all it took, Sallina, the champion of Groza's Devouts, or Trym Godslayer would be fit for the post. But, the heads of the families argue, strength is not all that is required! Though there were indeed plans by many some to chose a chief for the tribe, the heads of the families talk everyone involved down, shaking their heads and saying that leading the tribe is best left with those who know what they are doing.

> Changing the tribe's leadership is not simple. You'll need a method for it somehow...

I, for one, agree with Refrek

>>21599142
Eh, not really tense.

Also i just realized, Britfag might not allow the black ops this without research into it anyway. I am not opposed to black ops, but it seems like something Derrik could be used for, and he is away at the moment, along with our best scouts and those suited for black ops.

>>21599154

The farming family seems very on-edge this season... And it's soon discovered why. The fields have yielded even less grain than the year before! Though the new vegetables are mostly as abundant as can be hoped for, much of the grain seems anaemic and pathetic, yielding few grains and not growing tall and strong. The tribe all soon begin to worry what this could mean...

> Jesus Christ, guys! I'm having trouble keeping up here!

>>21599154
Tempted to just ask the wise ones to research a method for convincing them to take a leader.

>>21599112
Perhaps. As far as I know I just came up with it, but when it comes down to it, aren't all military speeches the same? All one exhortation to greatness. The original speech was longer and included some of the other challenges the tribe has faced since the dawn of time 40 threads ago, lol. But I figured two posts was enough.

Yeah, I was really bored at work last night.

>>21599179
Harvest God! We forgot to ask the Earthsplitters to introduce us! Dammit!

>>21599179
Damn. We need crop rotation and... what's it called when you throw shit on the fields?

>>21599179
Turn Report

Population: 553 (204 elders and children)
Food: 9/15
Morale: 6/16

Known Food Sources: Average deer herd, fishing river, wild fruit trees and bushes, forest foods,
Known Resources: Tall timbers (5 days away), Clay (2 days away), Malachite (2 days away, over the river)
Technology: Copper spears and knives, advanced stone and wood tools, hide-working, fish-spears, clay pots, crude cold-weather clothes, basic rafts, serviceable bows, copper tools, hollow-log canoes, Copper scale jackets, basic plank shields, Crude carts
Science: Family wisdom, basic natural lore, crude wound care, basic food preservation, basic navigation, crude map-making, crude agriculture, the wheel, basic animal husbandry, natural medicine,
Architecture: Turf-roof huts, basic carpentry, crude wooden palisade
Civil: Family Houses
Culture: Family stories, bone trinkets, heroic reverence, spirit worship, crude instruments, rough berry liquor, tribal militia, crude ideograms, primitive copper trinkets, crude clay writing tablets, clay wall-tiles

Moon 9

Known Landmarks
A river beside the village
Rapids downstream
Flowing fruit tree glade
Berry bush thicket
Wolf Oak
Open grasslands
Distant mountains
Distant river
Natural quarry

>>21599174

We are taking it step by step. We are looking to talk about it with the gods. The first steps though, are to implement a conditioning program. We are ready for that - it should be clear right now that people doing different tasks develop differently. We can look into it.

>>21599142

haha, sorry. My hating on Ref might have contributed, but I don't regret it. Again, Ref - no hard feelings, I just disagree with you most of the time.

>>21599209
Fertilisation. Literally throwing shit at things to make them grow better.

>>21599245
Action Points: THREE

A) Send out scouts (specify direction)
B) Send some hunters out to hunt game and catch fish
C) Gather resources (not food)
D) Gather wild food in the forest
E) Have your wise ones try to solve a problem
F) Hold a cultural event (specify)
G) Craft specific objects
H) Send envoys to another tribe
I) Other
J) Ask the elders for advice (No cost)

>>21599154
B-b-but my writefaggotry!

>>21599154
Soon? He'll do it soon?! If he doesn't select one in four months I'm forcing him to do it.

As for next turn.

I) Establish a dedicated mining family, like we did with the farming one.
E) Make a public declaration of war against the Sun People. Say who our allies our and the date we are leaving, this will make the war much more real for people and hopefully motivate them to train. Also the thing is we need to have each major family have a minimum numbers of warriors to send to the war front, that way the families will regulate their own people's training schedules.
B) Go capture enough deer for us to maintain our own herd, and then kill the rest (Three doe and at least one buck).

>>21599209

Fertilizers. You can also use decayed grass. I mentioned that.

Basically elders need to look into what can be done to make crops grow better.

Irrigation also wouldn't be that labor-intensive, since the river is close. But again, ask Chani first imo.

>>21599278
>B) Go capture enough deer for us to maintain our own herd, and then kill the rest (Three doe and at least one buck).

Cute, but absolutely not. Stop fucking with Hrunti.

Alright, but seriously.

Can we PLEASE TALK TO THE FUCKING GODS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE ON?

ASK HRUNTI ABOUT SOME ASSASSINS, ASK GORZA ABOUT SABOTAGE AND ESPIONAGE, ASK CHANI ABOUT BATTLE HEALING ETC.

PLEASE FUCKING PLEASE FOR THE LOVE WE BEAR TO EMPEROR HERMEPHRODITUS III

>>21599207
We sent people down river to them to learn about the harvest god, we just gotta go down and get those people. I say we do that before the next planting cycle.

>>21599303
Calm down friend, those take valuable action points unfortunately. I say we do it in winter when other of our abilities are shut down, basically handle it all in one turn.

>>21599271
>>21599280
Thanks. The only word that kept popping up in my head was fermentation...
And yea, I agree. Wouldn't be a stretch to include a moat then.

>>21599272
Yea, Brit, what about it?

>>21599303
Agreed. Don't shout at Brit, though.

>>21599278
Seconded, except: Don't kill the other deer, that's retarded. What's the advantage? What if we fuck up breeding? No more deer then.

>>21599332
Since when does asking things to the gods take action points? We don't even have to go through the priests, just have the elders ask the gods themselves.

>>21599299
Hrunti isn't against us keeping animals. He was fine with us keeping cows and chicken, and so should be fine with this. Hunting doesn't automatically mean killing. Besides, he is rather pleased with us at the moment, we sent our priest to commune with him for over a year.

>>21599278
Agreed with everything until the killing the deer part. That's a horrible political move, and a horrible infrastructure move, we don't know when we might need more deer, we shouldn't just exterminate them.

>>21599357
I didn't mean all the other deer, I just meant hunt like normal after capturing enough for breeding. SOrry if that was hard to understand.

>>21599358
Talking to gods has always taken action points, at least asking them specific questions.

>>21599278
We haven't heard back from the Lion Tribe or the Earthsplitters iirc. They sent out scouts and I'm sure the lion tribe will join us regardless, but we'll have to wait for word from the Earthsplitters before setting down a firm timeline. They probably havent been working to mobilize as long as we have and that might take a minute.

>>21599379
IIRC, talking to anyone is a free action, and only things that take the focus of the entire or large sections of the tribe cost action points.

Asking the gods is literally just going to a shrine and saying "Wazzup?" Doesn't take that much tribal focus.

>>21599357

The trickster wants to deny others resources and limit the natural resources available should we starve. Fuck it, I am writing options now, even though I was going to observe.

>>21599359

You are killing the population for a dumb reason. No. Bad dog.

My choice:

E). Start work on what makes crops grow better. No, we can't do this in winter.
E2). Special Ops meeting - talk to the gods, or at least discuss conditioning.
E3). See what would make mining less burdensome.

>>21599436
Seems reasonable, although E3 is a bit vague.

>>21599426
Talking to any human on hand is a free action, gods are another matter.

>>21599417
well, we are waiting until month four of next year, so that's seven months to prepare.

>>21599379
Okay, that's better. Still against hunting. Let them grow for the rest of the year.

>>21599436
We should look into farming more after the supposed tribesmen come back with knowledge of harvest god.

>>21599272
I'm sorry! I saw that AFTER I had started writing! It seems I'm rather slow tonight. We'll work that in later, when it's appropriate.

>>21599454
Why don't we ask Britfag how it works, it is his game.

It doesn't make any sense that talking to a god would take an entire action point when it doesn't take but one person to converse with a god.

>>21599436
You can't research multiple things at once, it causes all the research to go at exponentially slower speeds the more is being researched. Britfag explained it as our wise ones drink to come up with ideas, but at a point the drinking become detrimental.

>>21599464
Britfag, does talking to a god take an action point?

>>21599452

We can discuss the complaints that miners have and address them. Perhaps consider storing large quantities of ore with the Lion Tribe. This way, the workers only have to mine , not mine and then haul it immediately to the tribe. Maybe even consider outsourcing smelting to the Lion Tribe, that way we can just come and pick up easy to carry ingots. Far, far less weight. I realize this "weakens" us, but we don't have to destroy the smelting capability in our home village. We just save us a lot of time with useless lugging about. Yea, I like that.

Alright guys, I'm leaving early for the first time since I joined these things. Now don't do anything I wouldn't do, and for the love of god, don't let Refrek and V kill each other before they can find mutual war-crazy ground to stand on and turn on us all.

>>21599278
Seconded but without the hunting of deer at all. We posed a moratorium on it and that shall stand until the herd is back to full population. Capture a handful and leave the rest be.

>>21599505
>>21599460

I have revised mine to have no extra deer killing.


I) Establish a dedicated mining family, like we did with the farming one.
E) Make a public declaration of war against the Sun People. Say who our allies our and the date we are leaving, this will make the war much more real for people and hopefully motivate them to train. Also the thing is we need to have each major family have a minimum numbers of warriors to send to the war front, that way the families will regulate their own people's training schedules.
B) Go capture enough deer for us to maintain our own herd. (at least three doe and one buck).

>>21599460
>>21599475

One isn't really research - the meeting is a point of clarity, the warriors themselves can work out the training details.

Ok, change E3 to H3 - send people and resources to discuss smelting capability with the Lion Tribe. Maybe ask them if you can set up a permanent smelting outpost. That way we can have dedicated miners / smelters, that don't have to make the trek. Our tribe will bring them all the luxuries of our tribe and food. Or we can have the Lion Tribe stop mining and provide food and such to our miners/smelters, for a percentage.

Next tribe I suggest we send a group down to the earth splitters to get the people we sent to learn about their language and harvest god. Along with asking them if they faced similar problems at any point. Also to ask if their scouts have returned.

After they get back we build a shrine to said god for our harvest (maintained by the farming family of course).

For our final point I suggest the we declare Gerin Battle Master of the WolfsBane tribe. He won't be chieftain, but he will oversee our warriors and training of them and what not.

>>21599591
Next turn, not tribe. My bad.

>>21599591
Agreed.

>>21599500

See ya mojo. No promises.

---Revision:

I. Talk to the Lion Tribe about establishing a permanent mining and smelting outpost. See if anyone wants to volunteer - promise them ample food and the option to avoid fighting in wars, if they so choose. We won't want to stop production for combat anyway.

E. Hold the military improvement meeting, as previously discussed. Talk to all the gods about what they will tolerate and look into physical conditioning.

E2. Ask the farmers what they believe is causing the crops problems, look for solutions / better tools.

>>21599591
Might I also suggest send a couple wise ones down to observe their leadership type for a while and the benefits and drawbacks it may have so we have a point of reference for government advancements? They have a single chief, perhaps we could simply follow that method with our own twist, eh?

>>21599625

Revision 2:

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I. Talk to the Lion Tribe about establishing a permanent mining and smelting outpost. See if anyone wants to volunteer - promise them ample food and the option to avoid fighting in wars, if they so choose. We won't want to stop production for combat anyway.

E. Hold the military improvement meeting, as previously discussed. Talk to all the gods about what they will tolerate and look into physical conditioning.

H. Envoys to the earth splitter tribe as Ref suggested, about the fields.

>>21599488
Talking with a god does NOT use an action point, provided their shrine/temple/massive complex/sacred land/whatever is within easy travel distance. The GM spoken!

And, you know, ask the damn gods for their opinions on shit.

That might help.

>>21599661
>>21599673

Revision 3:

I. Talk to the Lion Tribe about establishing a permanent mining and smelting outpost. See if anyone wants to volunteer - promise them ample food and the option to avoid fighting in wars, if they so choose. We won't want to stop production for combat anyway.

E. Hold the military improvement meeting, as previously discussed. Talk to all the gods about what they will tolerate and look into physical conditioning.

H. Envoys to the earth splitter tribe as Ref suggested, about the fields. Make a point to observe their command structure, seeing the positives and the drawbacks.

>>21599684
The Empire shall officially sanction this course of action.

>>21599684
I'm just gonna second this, but swap the E
for Ref's E
E) Make a public declaration of war against the Sun People. Say who our allies our and the date we are leaving, this will make the war much more real for people and hopefully motivate them to train. Also the thing is we need to have each major family have a minimum numbers of warriors to send to the war front, that way the families will regulate their own people's training schedules.

>>21599674
Ok, then add onto my idea talking to all three main gods asking this question:

"Greetings, in less than a year we shall mark upon our enemies in your name. If you see it within your favor would you please help us towards our victory. What could you do to help our warriors?"

Basically this but changing the tone for each of the gods (We're doing this for all six, since we have shrines to all of them in town).

>>21599702

I wasn't here to start the war, so I am down with what you guys previously decided on. So, that's cool. However, I ask that you support me on special ops next turn!

>>21599712
>since we have shrines to all of them in town
Didn't we, at some point make chani's temple at the river spring?

>>21599684
Seconded.

I see reason in this.

>>21599712
Gorza, Chani, and Hrunti are the only gods we need, plus they are the most loyal to us.

Don't ask how they can help, rather ask what their opinions are on our current situation. Guidance, not assistance. The gods cannot become our crutch.

>>21599738
Yes, yes we did. I don't think that changes anything though.

>>21599744

I am absolutely, 100% with you on this one. We call for Gods only in dire need, unless they offer to help.

We aren't children who need to beg for help.

>>21599732
I will. But there's just so much to do right now.
We got war preparations, including training, copper gathering, forging. Food problems, farming improvements, get to deer herding. Governmental problems, electing a chief. Then the diplomatic / politic stuff like picking up our guys from the earthsplitters.

>>21599777

Assuming we go with mine, let's take a vote on who wants to (for E):

1. Declare war. etc: >>21599702

2. Take some time to consider special ops.

I will abstain from this vote, just to make it fair, since I proposed it. Ref is welcome to vote though.

>>21599825
Number 2.
Hit the enemy while they are not looking. It's their fault for not having their defenses in place if we just lol steamroll them.

>>21599732
I say we wait for Derrik and our scouts for come back. basically all of those who would be best suited for your black ops are currently scouting on the sun people and doing various things there.

>>21599738
We have two for her, one in town and one there.

>>21599684
I will go with this, as long as your E is swapped for my declaration of war.

Also, I say we simply build it and not talk to the Lion Lords about it. I'm not saying this to be a dick to the lion lords, just that diplomacy always takes a lot of time and I want to go as fast as possible.

>>21599825
For now E) and include Josh's speech.
It's probably more urgent to try and have the support of the broad of the tribe. Black ops would be the icing on the cake.

>>21599879
Retard me forgot to say 1. ...

>>21599879
Seconded.

Yes please. I'm oddly proud of that writefaggotry despite myself.

Okay, this thread is starting to get REALLY cluttered and much as I'm delirious with happiness to see everyone so lively... It's a bitch to keep track of. SO, I need to ask the people with ideas to post them again NOW. Then anyone without a strong plan of their OWN will vote on them. Okay? Great.

>>21599825
Declaration of war, also vote, no need to take such high ground.

>>21599941
We're kind of already doing that.

I also recommend 4chan X as an add on for Firefox if you don't already have it. Makes tracking threads much easier.

I. Talk to the Lion Tribe about establishing a permanent mining and smelting outpost. See if anyone wants to volunteer - promise them ample food and the option to avoid fighting in wars, if they so choose. We won't want to stop production for combat anyway.

E) Make a public declaration of war against the Sun People. Say who our allies our and the date we are leaving, this will make the war much more real for people and hopefully motivate them to train. Also the thing is we need to have each major family have a minimum numbers of warriors to send to the war front, that way the families will regulate their own people's training schedules.

H) Send a group down to the earth splitters to get the people we sent to learn about their language and harvest god. Along with asking them if they faced similar problems at any point. Also to ask if their scouts have returned.

>>21599965
Seconded.

And with the E Vote, this speech:
>>21598856
>>21598867

>>21599965
In addition to these this shall be taken as a free action:
Going to speak to all six gods we have in town.
"Greetings, in less than a year we shall mark upon our enemies in your name. If you see it within your favor would you please help us towards our victory. What could you do to help our warriors?"

Basically this but changing the tone for each of the gods (We're doing this for all six, since we have shrines to all of them in town).

>>21600048
*march upon, not mark upon.

>>21600048
>>21599965
Agreed with these, but with the revision of asking the gods for guidance instead of assistance.

The gods will probably give their knowledge easier than they give their power, and we don't want to lean on that power like a crutch.

>>21600058
I agree with imperialbro on this part. Ask for guidance, not assistance.

>>21600095
We are going to fight for them, a little power is in order. The only other time we asked something like this of the gods we were given a tool that saved the entire village. I think it'll be fine, all of our gods like us at the moment.

>>21600142
Probably should have refreshed before I post this 4 minutes late, haha.

>>21600146
What does it say about the strength of our tribe if we can't win a great battle without the power of the gods?

Ask hrunti for tracking advice, Chani for healing wisdom, Gorza for battle tactics etc.

But do not make the mistake of asking them for power, because then we run the risk of offending them for asking too much and getting nothing, or gaining a power that cripples our military might without the favor of the god that bestowed it.

>>21599965
So this is what everyone wants? With the amendments that Trym give the speech (who knew bronze-age tribes were so... Eloquent?) and the gods be asked for guidance rather than assistance?

>>21600194
Groza doesn't do tactics, we asked him before. We are putting our entire way of life on the line in order to defend our gods, if that is not enough for some power I don't know what is.

>>21600212
Yes, we like those options very much.

>>21600212
Fine fine, we'll go for guidance.

>>21600212
Yup.

And the Bronze Age was eloquent as fuck.

>>21600290
If you were a bard or lived in ancient Greece, yeah. You folks ain't even properly mastered alloying bronze yet! Heh, I kid, I kid. I'll roll with this. I'm just amazed there's been no dissenting opinion raised since I gave the 'vote now'.

A small party, complete with translator, visit the Lion Tribe to discuss the state of affairs with the copper pit. The Lion Tribe readily agree to the proposed arrangement, on the proviso that they be allowed to take their fair share of the metal, in exchange for their toil. To be honest, judging by the number of copper tools and weapons in the village, it looks like they already have been, although none of them chose to answer the searching looks they are given.

Before the whole tribe, Trym gives a speech the likes of which none have heard before. A few stunned members of the tribe look from one to the other, before a cheer goes up, starting somewhere in crowd and spreading. The tribe bays for blood like wolves presented with a fresh carcass! Trym is immediately named as war-leader by popular acclaim and the armed tribesmen, gripped by bloodthirsty fervour, start training daily, battering themselves with almost as much ferocity as they boast they will show the Sun People. After the first eight or nine days though, attendance starts to drop off, although it ends at a higher level than usual, though not always the same people. Some though, seem inclined to abandon their own duties in favour of battle training!

>>21600519
Oh Trym, you're a good man.

It's a shame we'll have to kill him.

>>21600580
Wha?

>>21600519
The heads of the families visit the shrines of the tribe's gods, each in turn, pledging themselves to the battle to come. The responses they receive in return are somewhat mixed. Chani appears herself and accepts their pledge in good grace and offers her blessing for the battle. She seems rather surprised when she is rebuffed and refused, promptly vanishing, before Rina shoos the heads out of the shrine. Meanwhile Groza cheers on the sentiment and the idea of a battle, though again, refusing his aid leaves him baffled. Derrik conveys their message to Hrunti, but the general impression from the wolf god seemed to be, "And why should I give a fuck?"

A small delegation finally leaves to visit the Earthsplitters, seeking to bring home the freshly-trained interpreter. The tribe welcomes them as warmly as ever and greets their enquiries as to the Earthsplitter harvest goddess, Perwan, with understanding. Their own scouts have not yet returned home, but their assure the party that the interpretor has been well-educated by Perwan's priest and may be of some help in restoring the grain goddess's blessings to the Wolfsbane fields. The party leaves after a day or two and returns home without incident.

Then the scouts return...

>>21600624
It's a joke, a joke.

>>21600626
Well shit, we didn't mean to deny their help. Only to not ask for it implicitly. Grant us their boons, but not ask it of them as if it was expected. We'll need to clear that up, me thinks.

>>21600626
We weren't refusing their aid! We just weren't requiring it Britfag.

Dammit guys, see what you done.

>>21600626
And because pure evil flows through my veins like blood... That's where I'll leave it today! I hope you've enjoyed this evening. I know I have! Over 230 posts is something of a record for us; you're all starting to make these threads close in on autosage! That's just plain mind-blowing!

Anyway, the next thread will be at the usual time, so 1600EST on SATURDAY. I wish you all a pleasant time until then and hope to see you all again! Ta-ta for now!

>>21600626
Britfag, I want to use a retcon point because that is not what any of us intended. We meant to not force their favor, but to accept if it was offered. Come on man, you gotta give us this.

That speech earned us at least 1 retcon point... right?

>>21600689
That was a nice thread, but I'm brining up a possible retcon next thread.

I am seriously butthurt guys...

>>21600661
>>21600673
Tut tut! Maybe you should be clearer next time! People have asked for help from the gods since forever, IRL. It's never 'expected', simply regarded as "It'd be real swell if you could help me out, ol' buddy? No? Okay then..." By stating you don't want no help, I took it to mean refusing the aid of the gods for this fight. No-one except an idiot ever makes DEMANDS of the gods anyway!

>>21600727
Well, next thread I'm going to spend an action point to tell the gods there seemed to be a misunderstanding and that we would really like the boons, and that we apologize for any misunderstandings.

>>21600727
This is gonna end poorly. Well, let's do for the best and kick some ass without the gods' help. Then dedicate the victory to their 'guidance' (urgh...)

Good thread though, as always. Been really fast paced and action packed. See ya on saturday hopefully.

>>21600759
No, we can just spend action points next thread to convey that there was a misunderstanding between us and that we apologize. We can do this by having a festival for them and plenty of sacrifices and a big "I'm Sorry" party.

Hmm, did 4chan crash for anyone else for a while?

And yea, I am with everyone - we didn't mean to REFUSE their aid, we meant not to beg for it unless necessary.

As in "You wanna help Groza/Hrunti/Chana, awesome x0x0x0, etc."

Now to go to the gym or not to go. Dum dum dum.

>>21600759
Wait I have an idea for a speech.

"You are our gods, the wind on our backs, the sun on our face, the strength in our arm, and the water in our mouths. You already give us so much we need not ask of you to defeat such a meager foe. We shall cast down those who intend to rip the gods away from us with our own strength. The Long Fangs shall become the God's champions, those who you can count on to safeguard your worship and holy lands. Our fangs be sharp; our reach be long. You have already given us strength enough."

At worst they will think we are some silly mortals, at best they will be flattered.

>>21600786
Well Refrek. We done goofed, but I'll work on another writefag post in an attempt to soothe the feelings of the gods.

You and I know we weren't denying any help they offer, but I suppose I could've clarified. Ah well, hopefully we chose forgiving gods.

>>21600826
We probably will need their help a bit in this though, to be honest. Emertha will probably help the Sun People and last time we went in without a God we almost lost Trym.

>>21600829

I think we all knew. Sorry for the fuck up =/

My point was that we shouldn't ABUSE their generosity, not refute help.

>>21600842

Lol, we talked too much and confused Britfag =/

>>21600844
Yup. This will need to be clarified next thread and I'll work on something to fluff up the chances of success.

>>21600859

Cool.

>>21600842
>>21600844
We have the other tribes, and they have probably brought their gods with them.

We have two choices now, throw an I'm sorry part for the two of them, or go with my speech or something like to to basically say that we honor the gods so much we will not take a portion of their power for such a meager foe.

And guys, we should have went with my plan of asking them for help. *glare*

>>21600795
Certainly did for me, for a little bit. Now then...

>>21600786
I have a real problem refusing my players. I try to be as accomodating as I can at all times. I figure provided everyone is having fun, that's what really matters; not the rules, right?

That said... No.

I warned everyone right from the start that this was by no means going to be an easy ride. If you make a mistake, you own it here. I apologise if you don't like this. I realise and recognise this may upset some people. I am prepared to accept this.

But this is iron man mode. There is no turning back on mistakes. Sorry, but that's how it was always going to be, since part one. I don't mean to be harsh, but I do mean to be fair. There's no re-wind time spell here.

Look on the bright side... It's one mistake. ONE mistake isn't likely to bite you too hard. You don't even know WHAT you just did yet, anyway!

>>21600873
As you said, they already help so much. Our intention was to not ask implicitly for help but instead to request guidance and then if they offered to help then accept that too.

>>21600886
That said, of course, you can always handle damage-control in-character. I'm not a COMPLETE despotic asshole. Anyway, good night!