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if you see something you really like, please go to the deathworld forum and start a thread there so that people can more easily see what has been done.

I've been posting a new topic for each main idea, but by no means have I gotten all the cool stuff there. Help by adding in anything missing

Gonna post this again, since the thread started saging when I posted it.

>There's lots of things in French folklore that could be fun to include. Gargoyles, paladins, dragons, goblins, faeries, talking animals and lots of other things. Morgan (Morgue) le Fay appears in the Carolingian Cycle as the mother of Oberon (Auberon), King of the fairies. There's some potential in that.

What do you guys think?

Okay, We've got a lot of Nations now, so I at least will start thinking in terms of more detail. That is major cities, specific places that adventures could happen.

People seemed to like my idea for having Cities of Power (centers power for the Major plays), Cities of Operation (relatively safe cities in the free states where operatives can meet and organize), and Cities of Conflict (places where shit goes down).

Places I'm starting with.

Cities of Power: Berlin, Moscow, and New Orleans

Cities of Operations: Geneva, New Avalon, Sicily

Cities of Conflict: Paris, Prague.

If we haven't established who control New York City and the rest of the urban east coast I think that could either be a cool City of Conflict or City of Operation

>>21747148
Come on, expand that a little.

We also have places like Hongkong, Kyoto, Los Angeles and New York and Chicago, Cairo, Istanbul, etc.etc.

>>21747084
Morgan le Fay could be interesting, and her secretive/deceptive nature would work well for the resitence. Faeries and goblins work as well.

I'm not sure how you'd work in Dragons though. They are kinda big and obvious.

>>21747172
Maybe the Nazis got their hand on eggs when they invaded? That'd give us Nazi Dragon Riders!

>>21747206
DRAWFAGS ASSEMBLE!

>>21747163
all of those are good idea.

Maybe start by deciding for each city of interest what type of city it would be. I only listed the ones that came first to my mind. If a city interests you defiantly expand on it.

Also start with some detail. Sadly I know very little about most of those cities (the city I know best is Toronto, and that's pretty much a wasteland in this setting).

Chicago could be an interesting city of Operation or Conflict. I think I can start working on there or New York.

Have we decided whether either is under Constitutionalist control, or are they contested, or centers for one of the European powers?

>>21747148
I think NY is a city of conflict, being under Nazi occupation but being infiltrated by Constitutionalists and Communists.
>>21747163
Hong Kong is a Operation city, it fits its role as a free city uncontrolled by anyone.
Kyoto is a City of Power, firmly under Japanese control.
Chicago has been abandoned, another urban battleground between Nazi and Soviet forces.
Cairo is a city of conflict or city of operation, a launch off point for operations into the Middle East
Istanbul is similar, but more of a city of operation than conflict. Trapped between the Soviet and Nazi's makes it very precarious

>>21747172
How about the REAL reason the Nazis went around the Maginot Line is because that's where the Dragons are. When they got past and got their grubby hands on the eggs the Dragons were 'persuaded' to stand down, allowing for a quick takeover of France. Or the Dragons could just be sleeping, with the French trying to awaken them.

>>21747235

The Nazis control the East Coast, the Soviets the West. The no-man's land in the middle is where the Constitutionalists took hold.

>>21747084
Morgan le Fay and Oberon could be aligned with La Resistance, with Morgan working from North Africa or the Brits' headquarters and Oberon leading the troops in France itself.

>>21747354
So the No-Mans land is between the Mississipi and the Rockies? Just guessing here, my US geography is poor

>>21747372
All this about Morgana, where the buggery fuck is Merlin? Is he swimming about New Avalon, advising her Majesty? Or is he out with Arthur, ripping apart Nazi daemons?

>>21747163
>3 US-cities to the already mentioned one
Dou you even rest of the world?

>>21747437
America is the central battleground in the setting. Three factions duking it out in the blasted ruins of the Mid West, and infiltration by every other faction in the occupied cities

>>21747405
He's both M and Q in this setting. He's an old ladies' man who knows more than any completely sane man can be expected to and he always has a trinket or trick up his sleeve.

>>21747354
>>21747306
thanks.

So I'm gonna start thinking of the New York as a City of Conflict.

Like in our world, the docks of New York are major trade and transportation centers. The Nazis are using them to transport supplies to try and reinforce their position in America. This makes them prime targets for attack by various groups.

While the Nazi's offically in Europe that all lesser races and Jews have been exterminated from New York, this is far from true. In fact these make up much of the (forced) labor class that keeps the New York docks and factories running.

While most of the docks in New York are officially reserved for Nazi military transportation only, there is large amount of commerical trade that goes on there. Both Officially with Nazi protectorates, like Spain and Italy, and unofficially with pretty much anyone.

The Nazi official in charge of managing New York is incredibly corrupt.

>>21747469
Then excuse my rude interruption and go ahead please, dear sir or madam.
It just always strikes me as odd that half the focus of settings like these lie on the US, whereas the world has a lot more to offer.

>>21747480
Since Morgana appears in both French and British legends could she act as a liaison between La Resistance and the Brits? Obviously she'd be on her own side first and foremost, with Merlin constantly taking precautions against her infiltration.

>>21747437
as >>21747469 said America is the Main battleground, so it has a lot of Cities of Conflict. Though I think Eastern Europe would also be good place for Cities of Conflict, with Cities near it being Cities of Operation.

Prague would be a center of conflict, as would Budapest. Pretty much anywhere in the Balkans would of course be areas of conflict.

Istabul, Cairo, Geneva, and Sicily could all be Cities of Operation for activity there

>>21747514
Entrances into the Conflict in New York.

Italy maintains active trade with New York, which allows for the Mafia-demon hunters from Sicily to inflitrate. The Mafia has always had as strong presence in New York, and that remains. The New York Mafia is also connected to the Jewish Resistance ( a lot of mobster were Jewish, and strongly anti-fascist during WW2). The strength of the New York Mafia is such that Manhattan is often called New Sicily.

The New York head of the Mafia is more interested in profits than the Sicilians, but they still pay respect to the original Mafia and many of his underlings hate the Nazis with a passion (what should this guys name be).

>>21747601
Regards Cities of Operations (suggest we shorten the titles to COO, COP, and COC), I think it would be better to set up regions, identify cities within them and then classify what city type they are
So, New York is in the Occupied East Coast Area of Operations, and is a City of Operations as a battleground between the occupying forces of Nazism, the Constitutionalist underground and Communist infiltrators interacting with local factions

>>21747707
The Swiss have an official embassy in New York, from which they manage much of the private finance and trade in the city. There interest in lending and trade sometime puts them in conflict with the Mafia.

The Swiss embassy is divided into sections (could use good swiss names for these). The public section for official business. The Private Section where it is the city's worst kept secret that all sorts of intelligence work is conducted. The Private section is so well known as a hub of information that many deals and meeting happen here without direct involvement with the Swiss.

Lastly there is the Underground. Officially the Underground does not exist. All areas that might connect to the Underground are off-limits to all except the highest embassy staff.

I don't know much about the various places in New York, but if someone does please put in your ideas

tried to post in prevous thread, but something went wrong.

Communists kind of disliked the church in USSR. And i can thin of Syberian conspiracy of former prisoners, priests, led by undead Rasputin. They are forgotten by god and angels, but they found unlikely allies, that fled from western Russia to the wild lands. They all want to have a place in the new world, and will fight anyone, who want to rule them again.
The Hag, Bone Crone, or Baba Yaga is a malefic witch from pagan times. She is VERY old, has a multitude of animal servants and rides a walking bone castle Izbushka.
Kaschey the Immortal. One of the oldest liches, former knyaz (sort of baron), brought down by Ruric. Hates Nacis, Tzars and Communists. He is a deadly warrior, and can`t be harmed by handcrafted steel.
Veles, the Leshy. Lord of forest and can turn it in a horrid maze.
Moroz, the Winter Lord. Thanks to nuclear winters, he is awakened from a thousand-year slumber. However, he has an old pact with Baba Yaga, and isn`t loyal to Communists.

>>21747084
What if the Charlemagne and the Free French took all the gargoyles with them, leaving the old cathedrals and castles without gargoyles of their own? Or the gargoyles could be spies, watching from atop the towers with their piercing eyes.

>>21747480

I doubt Merlin would want anything to do with the official British establishment, being as it's' being ruled by a Faerie. Instead, he's probably somewhere in England with Arthur and the rest of the British resistance.

>>21747931
Isn't Arthur on his Wild Hunt through Europe?

>>21747768
an interesting idea, but it's possible to set up an op pretty far from where your are going to undertake it.

Still the idea of area of Operation has merit.

I see New York as more a place of actual conflict than operation, but it's big enough that you could divide it into both Operation and conflict. Or you could have other East Coast cities be either the Operation or Conflict sites

Also, I'd love to develop out stuff in Europe, but I know so little about that area that I feel I'll just mess it up

>>21747888
Wouldn't Ded Moroz and Snegurochka join the Soviets then, since Ded Moroz hates Baba Yaga+

>>21747988
I think a lot of people thought that Arthur should be restricted to just operating in England.

Also, speaking of England, does London still stand? if so I think it would be a good city to develop.

>>21747988

Depends if we want those sort of Legendary figures to be able to go outside the borders of the nation that they're bound to. Makes for a bit less "a bunch of historical figures from round the world team up and punch Nazis" and more localised feel. Which I think's better.

>>21747331
>How about the REAL reason the Nazis went around the Maginot Line is because that's where the Dragons are. When they got past and got their grubby hands on the eggs the Dragons were 'persuaded' to stand down, allowing for a quick takeover of France. Or the Dragons could just be sleeping, with the French trying to awaken them.
You're forgetting. Until the demon summoning starts right after the Nazi's should have turned on the Soviets, history is exactly the same.

>>21748036

London's always going to stand. Admittedly, now it's the home of Oswald Mosely's British Fascist Government, but it's still there.

>>21747931
I could easily picture Merlin as being directly subordinate to the Queen, but not Faerie. Maybe the two of them are planning something?

>>21747384
>The Nazis control the East Coast, the Soviets the West. The no-man's land in the middle is where the Constitutionalists took hold.
yep.

I imagine that the flooded realm of New Orleans, radioactive and polluted, is a major holdout for the Congressionalist Voodoo Priests.

>>21748066
Maybe this is one end game? All these figures of myth and legend get inter connecting by people, and they all form together and kick ass all over the world, which in itself is a very dangerous proposition with its own problems

>>21748028
Maybe. Pagan legends are forgotten, and i can`t tell about their relationship. But you`ve already allied Soviets with nuclear-powered science, not pagan spirits. He may be unaligned, ruling snowstorms and freezing to death anyone, who would oppose him. But is not a jolly Santa-like grandfather, not in the Deathworld.

>>21747931
Maybe he remains with the Queen knowing she is Fae-hearted and trying to mititgate the damage she'll inflict?

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>>21748101

Jasper Maskelyne is the Queen's Right Hand. Has been from the very start. It was him who made contact with the Fae and got in touch with Queen Elizabeth and convinced her to accept the deal. He's in rather over his head for a stage magician.

Unless he's actually Merlin?

>>21748089
With caged Crows in the tower, constantly trying to escape. All the crows in England follow Arthur, they brought him the message that England had fallen, and caused him to ride forth from Avalon. Nazi's in England now consider crows a KoS type creatue.

>>21748066
I kind of liked the idea that floated around the last thread that the various mythical figures could only operate because people belived in them in that area- so if one were to gain a full on army they could potentially wreck shit outside of their borders. It could be an interesting plot hook since various factions might take poorly to, say Arthur preparing for a Wild Hunt into Europe to claim magical artefacts...

>>21748172
>Jasper Maskelyne is the Queen's Right Hand. Has been from the very start. It was him who made contact with the Fae and got in touch with Queen Elizabeth and convinced her to accept the deal. He's in rather over his head for a stage magician.
>Unless he's actually Merlin?
YESSSSS

Or perhaps the legend about Merlin being locked in a tree rather than dieing refers to a "Family Tree"? Perhaos Jasper Maskelyne is Merlin's great^47 grandson?

>>21748172
He's obviously Mordred in disguise. Morgue le Fay is actually pulling the strings from behind the scenes. Her son, Oberon, is the king of fairies after all. This is all part of her plan.

>>21748202
>I kind of liked the idea that floated around the last thread that the various mythical figures could only operate because people belived in them in that area- so if one were to gain a full on army they could potentially wreck shit outside of their borders. It could be an interesting plot hook since various factions might take poorly to, say Arthur preparing for a Wild Hunt into Europe to claim magical artefacts...
Yep. I'm backing this. These figures are restricted to places where the BELIEF in them is so ground into the bones that people just can't forget them.

While Arthur is a cultural icon in the US to be sure, you bet your ass that the average citizen of England will know FAR more about the legends than the average US citizen will.

Also, St. George. If we're REALLY going to do Nazi dragon riders. Then the statue of St. George in London must have come to life and now the Dragon Rider Corps live in mortal terror of seeing a figure, striding through the early morning mists, a white shield with a red cross.

>>21748219

"Case of Charles Dexter Ward" kind of deal?

That could be pretty cool. Maskelyne sets the Fae queen up and pretty soon after the spirit of his dead anscestor wizard takes over his body and begins trying his best to mitigate the damage the Queen could do.

>>21748284
>He's obviously Mordred in disguise. Morgue le Fay is actually pulling the strings from behind the scenes. Her son, Oberon, is the king of fairies after all. This is all part of her plan.
GENIUS! FUND THE FUCK OUT OF IT!

Merlin holds a position similar to Rasputin, but in the British Isles.

>>21748286
>>21748291
What... what if it's BOTH.

What if the poor guy was both a descendent of Mordred AND Merlin. The poor bastard has 3 warring personalities.

>>21748286

Well, nothing in the Legend of St George said anything about him coming back, whereas Arthur has a pretty solid basis for coming back in England's hour of need.

>>21748219
Trapped in a tree? Yes, he's trapped in his own family tree, his magical power and personality trapped in his descendants. Jasper is one of the few capable of channelling him

>>21748327
Merlin could just be stuck in a tree or a mountain for the time being. King Arthur searches for him as part of his quest to take back Britain.

>>21748344
Point. But... but... dragon slaying? D:

Well, what if there's a special division in the Free Britannia's forces? The 777th? The Dragon Slayers, also known as St. George's Own. Their job? They are a unit specifically developed to fight super natural threats.

Chipping In more Swedish stuff.
A common creature type in Swedish folklore is Rådare, a collection of predominantly female spirits, appearing as often stunningly beautiful females with some off-features like sporting a foxtail or having a hollowed out back (!). The most commonly refered of these is Skogsrået, or the forest nymph.

Like most Swedish mythicals they could be both determinal and helpful, mainly depending on the individual spirit and how you treat them. A good word and a kind gesture (or being open to advances and doing exceptionally well in the sac) could net you a one-time blessing that made your gun never miss, let you find rich mineral veins or feed you and cure illness, while shunning them and being brash could leave you disoriented and tired, if not having your soul stolen or being left trapped in a mine, or drowned.

I'm thinking a skogsrå, properly convinced to help could make a powerful asset in both military endeavours and covert operations alike

>>21748446
Considering how widespread daemonology is in the Reich I don't see the point of a special unit dedicated to fighting the supernatural. But maybe a militant order of knights who operates a Occult SAS?

I see that you plan on the Jews being Golem masters, but has anyone considered the use of the Ring of Solomon?

Posted in the other thread, but when it was saging. It was about the Constitutionalists' Founding Fathers, and how George Washington decided on the plain title of President, refused to wear military garb in his office, and how he mounted up to help stop the Whiskey Rebellion:

While you've got all the other badasses wreaking havoc against their enemies, when you go past Teddy Roosevelt and Andrew Jackson, at the center of these unknowable undead horrors, is one quiet man, George Washington.

A humble man, undead, yes, but sensible. He tends a farm by himself, without slaves, undead or otherwise, and breeds horses. Living horses, unlike the nightmare steeds the other Founding Fathers ride.

He keeps a saddle perfectly maintained. But he never mounts his prized horse. No, Washington refuses to ride until America's darkest hour, when he's needed to again serve his country.

And when he rides, Berlin and Moscow will tremble, as he is the grail of devotion, for every man, woman and child, living or dead, believes in President Washington, the First of the Many.

>>21748465
There was talk of having a supernatural guerilla in Scandinavia in the last thread. Forests, mountains and some bodies of water are often avoided when traveling through the North. Finland is basically the Soviets' very own Vietnam.

>>21748605
I could easily imagine that quite a few artifacts of the abrahamic religions have fallen into the hands of the Vatican and demon-slaying Mafiosi.

>>21748605

Well, something is happening in the Middle East with Djinn, which could connect to Solomonic keys and magic. The ring itself sounds like the perfect MacGuffin to not have in anyone's hands to start with, but to show up somewhere and cause trouble.

>>21748667
>>21748605
I smell adventure seed.

okay, so thinking about Cities int he USA. The East Coast belongs to the Nazis, the West to the Soviets (I'm trying to picture a glorious communist LA and its hilarious), Chicago is a warzone. But what about Detroit.

I mean Detroit was a massive trade and industrial center at the time that the setting diverged from our own. And with the lose of Chicago it would be even more important as a way for Atlantic trade to reach the American heartland.

>>21748738

It's on the edge of Nazi territory, probably. So quite disputed potentially.

Guys, how about we leave Europe and America for awhile and look at Asia? What's going on in the East, or in Persia, for that matter?

>>21748738
Thinking about LA, where are all the American celebrities on the Constitutionalist side? Or, with the war going so long, did they become soldiers instead of actors? Just a thought
Detroit is interesting, both the Nazi's and Soviets want it for their war efforts, but neither want to assualt the city for fear of destroying the factories. So you get a massive battlefield surronding a relatively pristine city, the last recognisable American city in the world

>>21748787
edge of Nazi territory, heavily disputed, large black population.

yep definite potential

>>21746990
Just leaving these here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythologies

http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mythology_by_culture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_creatures_by_type

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Folklore_by_region

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythological_objects

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/oceania/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/americas/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/asia/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/middle_east/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/africa/

http://www.godchecker.com/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/other/articles.html

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/folklore/folklore/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/heroes/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/bestiary/

http://www.pantheon.org/areas/folklore/arthurian/

>>21748801

Problem is most people know a lot less about those parts of the world than where they're mostly from.

Still, somewhere in the Middle East there ought to be an independent, Djinn-allied state, at the very least. China might well still be in a state of civil war, or unless the Nationalists pulled some serious shit, Soviet-style communism might be the norm there. Japan... could be done horribly wrong.

>>21749013
I thought it was established Japan was a isolationist society of raiders and slavers, striking out past the magically enhanced Divine Winds that protect the islands?

>>21749059
So they're a bit more mystical and Shinto and all that, and not as much into SCIENCE! as the Soviets are, then?

>>21749059

That I can get behind.

This all seems kinda interesting.

Is there a world map of borders and so forth yet?

>>21749095
Sadly no. If any drawfriends would like to make one then I'm sure there would be a lot of happy anons.

>>21749117
Ah, well sucks. Best I can do is the typical Alternate History sort of things as I have the patience to go edit maps with already existing borders. But who can't do that?

>>21749075

I'd leave the SCIENCE to the USSR and Australia.

The Soviets have the uber-industrial, mega-science angle covered with massive machines and plenty of clanking gears. The Aussies have the shiny super-tech side of things. Unless we can come up with another angle for SCIENCE, then I think that might be our limit for Sciencey superpowers.

>>21749145

Really lazy people like me who can type ideas to their heart's content but completely fail at anything remotely arty?

>>21749146
Zombie Tesla is a thing for the Constitutionalists, who seemed to be very much styled after dieselpunk warmachines supported by the undead

>>21748929
okay Detroit.

Renamed by the Nazi occupiers as GroßenseeFestung (used google translate, fix if you want), Detroit now resembles less a city than a fortress and factory.

The primary staging area of the Nazi offense into the heartland of America, include the still contested city of Chicago, the Nazi population in Detroit is in constant state of mobilization and the city is under martial law.

Walls and fortifications have been constructed along the landward side of the city in case of offenses by the Soviets or Constitutionalists.

Within these walls is a constant haze of smoke and ash, as the many factories continuously pump out munitions and vehicles. The Military Governor (Nazi term for this) of Detroit is under orders to expand the manufacturing capacity even further, as the Nazi high command feels that the America front must become more self sufficent.

Manning these factories is a fast underclass made up the areas pre-nazi inhabitants. Largely blacks the cities inhabitants were all declared to be undermench (sp?) and subhuman.

The working conditions are hellish, with safety concerns only raised when reduction in workforce would threaten production quotas. This is rare, as prisoners of war, which includes any non-Nazi the Midwestern army encounters, are set to join the workforce.

>>21749170
Fair enough, maybe I should go make one real quick then.

>>21748609
>And when he rides, Berlin and Moscow will tremble, as he is the grail of devotion, for every man, woman and child, living or dead, believes in President Washington, the First of the Many.
Somebody wrote up some decent write faggorty on that earlier.

>>21749146
The only other sides I can see are steampunk, which I believe we all want to avoid, and Magitech, which I can see England and Germany having different brands of each.

And if the Constitutionalists are Necromancers, how about them having Skeleputors and the Painternet?

>>21749243

There'd be elements of clockwork technology in what the Swiss do, I think. Or at least, there should be. And from where I'm sitting, aside from the fact that they have a truly massive submarine, there's not much magical about the technology involved. It's pretty simple technology that's boosted by the Fae magic.

Now Germany though, there's magicpunk properly. Demonpunk maybe?

>>21749146
The Soviets must be at the forefront of the paranormal scientific disciplines. Nuclear powered robots and brain controlled attack bears are all good, but Torsion fields, ESP and all that should be included as part of the Soviets' field of expertise.

>>21749365

Definitely. Catching up with the Germans undeniable lead in the field of the Occult would probably be quite high priority, but being the Soviet Union, they would try going about it in a rational, scientific way, without getting into the bourgeoise, Nazi theories of "magic".

How much success they have is another matter.

>>21749075
>So they're a bit more mystical and Shinto and all that, and not as much into SCIENCE! as the Soviets are, then?
this pretty much. More ancestor worship though. They imbue traditional samurai weapons and armor with the spirits of their direct ancestors. The greatest warriors give the greatest power, and thus, the longest warrior blood lines are like gods, cutting battleships in half and knocking aside tactnukes.

>>21749243
>And if the Constitutionalists are Necromancers, how about them having Skeleputors and the Painternet?
I imagine that their tech level is not incredibly digital in the least. They're using manual zombie labor for power, and all the major methods of communication would lead back to their hidden necropolis. Remember, while POWERFUL, the Constitutionalists don't have the power to win stand up fights against the Soviets and Nazis. Their Past Presidents and Founding Fathers, their big guns, are too unreliable. Their liquid crude oil dinosaurs vulnerable to certain weaponry. They win by hitting isolated elements HARD and sometimes by sheer attrition when they absolutely MUST stand and fight, but those occasions are rare.

Basically, Nazi base on the wrong side of the Mississippi. One day, they just get GANKED by a sudden zombie surge. No bodies are ever found, the base utterly pillaged for anything valuable, all the corpses resurrected by voodoo to be mindless slaves.

>>21749306
The Swiss should have something with clocks or something related to time. I'd prefer if they stick with using tech instead of magic, since there's a lot of magic in this setting and not much tech.

Should they be kept neutral? If they are then I think they should be bunkered down inside their mountains and in tunnels running under their land. That's actually not far from reality.

In the last thread it was suggested that it was basically a melting pot of spies from all countries, with schemes and mind games being played by everyone against each other. The Swiss base their psychological warfare doctrine, employed against foreign agents, on psychoanalytic theories.

To give them a handicap, I say the Swiss military should be fragmentized. Some military men defect to join the Nazis, others join resistance groups, some pursue mercenary life (because they're Swiss) and some remain with the military. It would probably make sense for some to have ties to the Vatican and the demon-slaying Mafia as well. Basically, the only reason they remain neutral is because they all have ties to different Great Powers, unable to reach consensus on which to align with. The people who want to remain truly neutral throughout the conflict are the ones who go underground.

>>21749243
Instead of "Skeleputors" couldn't they have skulls and bones as repositories of knowledge? Human remains inscribed with necromantic runes and filled with knowledge? Kinda like Morte from Planescape: Torment.

>>21749832
So a literal thumb drive? All the information you'd need, inscribed on a thumb bone? I can dig it

>>21749832
They could tell ghosts of their ancestors anything they want to remember and just summon it from the beyond to remind them of anything they need to remember. As long as the descendants are the only ones capable of doing the summoning the secrets and knowledge will stay within the family.

>>21749769
>psychoanalytical theory used for psychological warfare against spies
It's unreal how much I can dig this.

>>21749888
That'd be a setup for an interesting society. It kinda keeps in line with 'traditional' family values, too.

I can see that the original forum for this whole idea is kinda dead, but anyone open to maybe conversing on Skype or anything? Wondering a few things about borders and wouldn't mind discussion in IM.

>>21750267

It's kinda dead because the previous thread was the first one in months. It'll pick up once the threads on here die.

>>21750372
Ah, well that's good to know then.
Still any chance I should throw up my contact? I will admit I hate writing walls of text on any board.

Has anyone archived this thread? There were some neat ideas being thrown around.

>>21750521

Yup

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/21746990/

>>21750448

Sure, add grawflemaul on Skype and I'll be able to talk briefly. Or at least give myself an excuse to not go to sleep.

What's Canada doing in all this?

>>21750872

According to the last thread... mostly being Inuit STALKER.

http://deathworld.forumotions.com/t13-canada-the-northern-wastes

>Canada has become a giant testing ground for both the Nazi's and the Soviets. Because of this most of it's cities are blasted ruins.

>Terrible monstrosities, radioactive creations of Soviet science and demonic Nazi-hellbeasts and worse, wander the wilderness.

>Most of the surviving Canadian people merged with and embraced the Inuit and native tribes and are now wanderers in the nightmare frost lands.

>They are now a deeply spiritual people and have become adept at, speaking to animal spirits especially those of the bear, the elk and the wolf, as well as masters of soothsaying and the use of the element of ice, so much so they are like ghosts on the tundra, and many consider them a silly story.
As well as the warriors whom are said to run with packs of massive dire wolves or upon great and feral bears, their are also rumors of a process to which they feed the flesh of their dead to the crippled and dying as a way to create sentient wendigo which serve as terrible and viscous supernatural guardians for the nomadic Canadian tribes.

>What remains of the Canadian military are organized into the Mounties. These fearless troops of Bear-cavalry protect the Canadian people from the terrors unleashed by Soviet and Nazi weapon testing.

And yeah. >Bear Cavalry

I know.

>>21750872
it's in the forum
http://deathworld.forumotions.com/t13-canada-the-northern-wastes

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I want to imagine the Nazi's troops looking like pic related, but since they're all about magic and not supertech I find it improbable. Maybe if the metal for the armor is made with alchemy and the inside of it is engraved with demonic runes?

What do the Nazi's wear in this? The mooks probably dress like normally, but what about the elites? Would they wear coats or robes or mystical armor when engaging the enemy on the battlefield?

>>21750156
Makes more sense for Japan's particular brand though, they go for "ghost" necromancy, while the Constitutionalists go for "corporeal" necromancy

>>21751264
Ah, then can it be incorporated with the Japanese? Not much has been said about them, so, it might be a place to start.

>>21748102

I kind of like the Idea of the founders being tied to their Places of "Origin" - Which means that New York (Roosevelt), Massachusetts (Adams), Virginia (Madison, Jefferson, and Washington), and Pennsylvania (Franklin) would be the center of resistance.

The Nazis would instead have come in through Flordia and Canada, as they weren't part of the Thirteen Colonies. Other major strongholds would be Illinois (Lincoln) and Tennesee (Jackson). Paine is the one who "Walks the Earth," being an Englishman by birth.

Meanwhile, I had a seperate idea for the Pacific. "Macarthur's Batallion" is a force of Island-Hopping, flesh-eating zombies, and the result of one General's rather egomaniacal view of himself as being worthy of the title of "Founder."

>>21751318
Plenty has been said about them >>
1) They are an empire of traditional shinto/sun-worshipers, following the decrees of their Emperor and the Shogun.
2) They use ancestral based power to be badass samurai anime ninja types. The greater the ancestral spirit, and the more of them you have, the better the equipment will be once they "possess" it.
3) They stike out from the eternal wall of hurricanes that surround their island nations, the Kamikaze, to raid the foolish demons outside their lands. Few, if any, are permitted within their borders, even to trade.

>>21751426
Sorry, calling NOPE on this.

It has been FIRMLY established that the HEARTLANDS of the US, from the Rockies to the Mississippi, are the Constitutionalist held lands. The Constitutionalists Necromancy was ONLY uncovered after the Nazis and Commies invaded. The Founding Father's graves, and in fact, all presidential grave sites, are massive targets for Constitutionalists, and they've invested HUGE amounts of their resources in recovering the bodies of figures like George Washington.

>>21751469
isn't finding Jackson, eg: Hawkeyes or Hickory Death, one of the MAJOR goals? Given how much of a fighter than nut case was?

>>21751173

Well, I can't see robes taking off over those snazzy uniforms they have. I mean, it's not like robes are mandatory for magic use. On the other hand, the uniform for the soldiers will evolve. Until it would maybe be something like your pic.

On the third demon hand, the army's structure would have changed dramatically. You've gone from having a traditional army, to one that's a mixture of demon-handlers, demonic hybrids and cannon-fodder untermenschen. With maybe a few elite "proper" soldiers for doing the tasks that demons can't do. Which is mostly looking good for the propaganda.

>>21751469

It's really mostly FIRMLY in some people's minds, and I think it really depends on people's feelings in general about the idea and personal flexability.

It would explain why the founders aren't going to be a world-smashing force in and of themselves.

The idea about Macarthur's Batallion being the botched result of half-assed necromancy still stands, regardless of the consensus we establish regarding the founders.

>>21751562
>>21751469

Wait wait better idea - The Nazis have some holdings in those areas, but the Founders are drawn to taking them back and find their personal power highly elevated in such locations, making them less game-breaking.

>>21751562

MacArthur's Batallion sounds pretty cool.

But I think I prefer the idea of Constitutionalist cultists having to smuggle the bodies of their dead presidents out of enemy territory to be properly ressurected. After all, they're the Presidents of the United States. The whole of America should be their stomping ground.

Maybe explain why the Constitutionalists haven't succeeded yet by saying that the magic that powers the Dead Presidents isn't massively effective in the long term. They're up and about for a short time, but they soon fail if they aren't' properly maintained.

>>21751629

Hmm, I don't know - My Idea was that the Founders are actually triple-entities: Part of them are the actual president, part of them are the way that the US citizenry viewed them prior to becoming Undead, and part of them are "Something Else." Brought back using the Masonic Temple in Washington DC

Now as for Japan, we should ask a couple Questions - Are Japan and Germany still allied in this timeline, Is the fascist government still intact at this point, and How much of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity sphere is still in their grasp? I could see Chiang or even Mao turning a blind eye to MacArthur's disturbing new "Dinner Habits" in order for them to assist in fighting the Manchukuo puppet state.

>>21751619
this I like

>>21751562
I'll give you that MacArthur's botched battalion is perfect. Especially given the guy never got to fight in WWII in our timeline.

>>21751520
It just looks a bit too high tech for them to be running around in. The SS would probably keep the uniforms, though with magic bling to go with. The guys fighting on the fronts, those guys would probably wear something armor-like as part of their uniforms. I'm thinking something modern and practical with a touch of Teutonic Knights, with protecting runes and alchemical properties. Something that looks like it could be mass produced while still making the battlefield officers look like knights in shining armor. Maybe the visors of knight helmets could be mashed together with a gas mask?

>>21751783
You REALLY need to read the previous threads, and WE really need to get the wiki remade.

Japan doesn't hold any of it. Their alliance with the Nazi's fell apart, but they never attacked the US, so it never got called into the war. The Japanese were pushed back from CHina, and the Facists lost power, and people reverted to a combination of Shogunate political systems, and Shintoist philosophies and magics (because apparently Amaterasu's blood line regained power or something). I imagine that the Shoguns control the military and most of the "regular" governing, but the Imperial family has far more OOMPH now than they ever did in the Feudal period, due to them being badass demi-god spirit/kami summoners and maintaining the Kamikaze and other things.

>>21751849
Speaking of the Chinese, how are they doing? The forum didn't have a thread about them last I checked.

>>21751790

Doesn't mean he never got hired by the Phillipinos...

>>21751987
Last i heard, Soviet China is fighting against Nazi China on a Clone vs Clayman warfare

>>21752045

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur#Field_Marshal_of_the_Philippine_Army

Starting in 1935. Also note his dislike of FDR

>>21752093
Can't we do better? Admittedly I'm not very knowledgeable concerning Chinese mythology and folklore, but don't they have a shitload of gods and heroes that are basically WMDs? And what about Japan? Don't they conquer land in East Asia? Is Tibet its own state or did it get overrun by any of the Great Powers? How are the Aussies reacting? Question, people. Questions with no definitive answers as of yet.

>>21752093
>>21751987

The way I see it, the Civil War either ended with the Communists in charge and trying to avoid getting annexed by the USSR, or the Nationalists pulled some trick out of their sleeve and so managed to end it on a stalemate.

In which case the challenge is making both sides interesting and unique.

Think about it. America already has a extremely strong navy, but it has been bolstered by their influence in the Pacific through various nations. Sea monsters and such would have a great influence, wouldn't it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taniwha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siyokoy_(Philippine_Mythology)

>>21752190
That's more india as far as i know

>>21752190

Japan got pushed back and lost a lot of their holdings, and so entered a more isolationist phase. Tibet... I dunno. Having it be the only Himalayan kingdom to hold out feels a bit cliche. And Australia has fled to Antarctica where it hides out using super-high tech, and plans to build a moon-base.

>>21752243
I dunno, Sun Wukong, aka Monkey King, is a fucking beast when it comes to battle.

>>21752300
But Sun Wukong is much of a legend as Romeo is

>>21752249
If the Kuomintang managed to hold their ground against the communists then things could've gotten very interesting. Maybe Mao and the Soviets struck Tibet to open up a passage through Asia down to India, which is already occupied by the Soviets.

>>21752322
Ah, turns out you're right. I thought the character was influenced by Chinese myths and then just given a new name, but turns out I was wrong. He's actually a composite character with primarily Hindu influences. Still, it's a shame not to use the guy.

>>21752504
If you want to look into Chinese Heroes, Romance of the Three Kingdoms is the way to go, and could fit nicely into a Clayman army

>>21752190
The Nationalists are using traditional Chinese geomancy, terracota warriors, and Daoist martial artists, while the Communists are using clones

>>21752597
This, I like this.

Look, Sun Wukong also went on to become a Buddah. The one group that ain't coming back is the Buddah's, by definition, they're outside the cycle of birth and death, their very nature of belief means anybody who "became a buddha" unfortunately will never, ever, ever, ever, appear back on the earth.

>>21752774
Okay, the sheer volume of redundant questions means that we're gonna have to start putting up stuff on the wiki RIGHT NOW. At least the very basics.

>>21752753
Maybe the people in support of, or at least not against, the regime could bunker down in the mausoleums of old emperors? Those mausoleums could be the size of underground cities, each capable of holding a very large number of people. It would pretty much make them into the Human Hive, what with their legalism and whatnot, and I don't think that's a bad thing. They could expand the tunnel network and use the byproducts to make more terracotta warriors.

OK so with all these theme armies is this going to be an RPG or Wargame setting, because it really feels like the latter.

>>21752821
Why can't it be both?

>>21752821
You just can't have enough Theme Armies

>>21752821
The idea we have for the game is that you choose a class and an origin. The class tells you what your basic skill set is, the origin tells you what form these take.

Also, Edited the wiki to have china and japan so people can stop arguing over this.

also, if anybody sees that "Goodguy alliance" dahlilama and ghandi teleport to atlantis and have everything everybody else has turned up to 11 bullshit, please delete it.

>>21752821

I''ve been thinking of using it as an RPG. Mainly because I'm on a bit of a spy kick after reading Declare and Night's Black Agents and watching Homeland. This sort of cold war about to turn hot mixed in with a bunch of supernatural shit would be perfect for a mixture of action and espionage and mild horror.

>>21753053
>I''ve been thinking of using it as an RPG. Mainly because I'm on a bit of a spy kick after reading Declare and Night's Black Agents and watching Homeland. This sort of cold war about to turn hot mixed in with a bunch of supernatural shit would be perfect for a mixture of action and espionage and mild horror.
which was the original goal. But I see no reason it couldn't be like Malifaux, where it's a combination of wargame and rpg. In fact, it'd be awesome if we could make the rules interchangeable, and only a matter of scale.

Talking about China: If we're going to have both Communist clone armies and Kuomintang geomancers/terra cotta army/martial artists for them, how about we have them in a state of perpetual civil war? Since mixing in magic and sci-fi for one nation doesn't feel right.

Talking about India: I feel like it'd be interesting to involve the concept of Samsara more in there theme. Like, their soldiers purposely lowering themselves to the other realms of existence so that they can fight better.

I'm thinking an army of animals which can spontaneously form anywhere in the world (because of being reincarnated there) and just going on wild stampedes.

>>21752800
The Soviets could have struck with nuclear weapons against China, forcing many to go underground. The war between Nationalists and Communists continues in tunnels below the irradiated parts of the mainland, with the Nationalists digging more tunnels and making more terracotta warriors as they go, and the communists matching the Nationalists' numbers with clones.

I was thinking that much of the northeast is a nuclear wasteland, with the Nationalist's power base in the southeast. The Communists are northwest and moving south to occupy Tibet. Southeast Asia is still within the Nationalists sphere of influence, but the Japanese are harassing their ports and ship routes.

>>21753123
India is under Soviet occupation in this setting, but they are fighting back. I'm thinking their gods need to be removed from the conflict unless we want the USSR to remain in the setting, if you excuse my hyperbole.

>>21753221

Yeah, which is why I'm saying they could just be restricted to the lower rungs of the reincarnation cycle.

>>21753123
oh no, the civil war was DEFINITELY the plan.

>>21753348
Oh, good, I was actually confused on this point.

Anyway, looking at Deathworld's page on 1d4chan, it seems like Soviet Russia could still use some fluffing up, since they seem pretty bare bones right now. Anyone mind updating me on what's been discussed about them that hasn't been added to their wiki page yet?

>>21753319
Still, wouldn't the Celestial weapons be a game breaker? Or can they only be used in the higher rungs? I'm not very into Hindu mythology, but I know that the gods' weapons were powerful as fuck, with the most powerful, the Brahmastra(?), capable of destroying anything. Weapons like that would most likely result in a win for India without much trouble.

>>21753417
Not much has been said about the USSR itself. At least, not in this thread. Some stuff on important locations and suggestions on important people, I think. Scroll through and see what you find.

>>21753445
>Deathworld: A conquered Indian World

Finally we reached the pinnacle of grimdark

>>21753476
>An entire world CRUSHED under the bare heels of Mahatmas and yogis!

>>21753445
>>21753476
>>21753559
maybe that's what everyone is seeking? I know for a fact the Nazi's sent people (IRL that is) to India to search for the weapons mentioned in their mythological cycle.

Maybe they found them? Maybe Indian freedom fighters work constantly for chances to retrieve them?

>>21753445
I'm not familiar with Hindu mythology, but just from a quick look at wikipedia, the 'astra' (I think that's what you're referring to) were only used by gods and heroes, and what I'm going for is an entire army of reincarnated beasts (I was thinking maybe beastmen, but that's already Canada's territory).

It was also mentioned that the astra could only be used under strict conditions (and fatality being the obvious punishment for going against them) and that specific incantations are needed to use them. Basically just make them really rare and difficult to use (without severe consequences).

>>21753471
I've only read this thread and the last so far, and I'm in the middle of re-reading everything else. Just wanted a quick-recap of how things stand right now.

>>21753652
The Soviets are basically all about SCIENCE! and technocracy, as opposed to the Nazis' occultism and demonology. They're in a cold war with the Nazis in Europe and a hot one in America, and everywhere else, to a lesser degree. The leaders are a gestalt consciousness made up of Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky. Haven't read much more of the old threads, so that's basically what I know for sure.

>>21753649
Sounds like India would play a pretty important part in the global conflict. Maybe the most important part. I don't think that's the way we want to go. It's better if we keep the conflict more or less decentralized, with no one battlefield, victory or artifact proving key to winning the war.

>>21753803
Just have some of the artifacts be completely useless (due to lost knowledge on their use). Some of the other artifacts, though, are par for the course on this setting.

So with all these mythological figures running around, does America have any of it's own? Shit like Uncle Sam or The Unknown Soldier?

>>21755230
sure, well not so much warrior, but plenty of pioneer/mountain men.

Paul Bunyan, Davy Crockett (he was real, but his legend far outgrew the man).

>>21755230
>>21755393

They already have the Founding Fathers going for them, though. I mean, if we're going to give a nation "heroes", we should try to keep a theme with them and /tg/ went with politicians as their theme.

>>21755705
>Paul Bunyan, Davy Crockett (he was real, but his legend far outgrew the man).
Well what we've been doing for the other figures, like Arthur and Vlad Tepes and Charlemagne, is tap into the whole "Will return when their nation is most threatened" dealy.

>>21755705
Yeah but would America's legends align with the undead founding fathers? I mean we have Arthur running about, would he be at the beck and call of the fae queen if they ever met?

>>21756314
I thought we decided Arthur didn't think liz was a legit queen

>>21756397
We did. And he doesn't. Not only is she not actually elected by the system he'd have used (She was post Norman Invasion and thus, not a Briton, but an Anglo-Saxon), but also a Fae-Hearted bitch.

okay. What about Russia? What's the average Soviet life like? I assume it's not quite as earily "everybody the same" as Nazi towns are, but rather we have vast economic disenfranchisement and massive differences in economic level. Members of the political elite have vast resources, while those below them barely scrape by. EXTREME STALINISM

>>21757336

I think we can assume that life for the average Soviet citizen is pretty terrible. I mean, sure, the Soviets have plenty of high technology, but most of that is aimed at either military or purely industrial fields, with little concern for the safety and well-being of the average citizen who's exposed to it everyday. I mean, we're not talking Paranoia levels of "use humans as reactor shielding", but more in terms of the lack of care that led to Chernobyl and the like.

Results come before side-effects.

>>21760323
So cancer rates are fairly high, any kind of "safety" measure is more incidental than anything else.

In fact, they might deliberately make it so. The safest place to be from the more insidious effects of radiation and nuclear power would be in the military. Training somebody to drive nuclear super tanks can't be easy, so those might be some of the only places properly shielded. Uranium and other fissionable materials might be hand mined, maybe even assembled along an assembly line without much in the way of protection, the lucky factories have lead vest to spare, but the vast majority? Well, cancer is a common problem in the soviet world, and unless you live in one of the big cities, that small fission reactor you got powering your village leads to no end of sickness.

Especially when you consider that the average village might be a little... lax... in changing out the cooling water and reactor rods.

>>21760649

It's also probably worth having at least a few "model" towns and villages to use for propaganda purposes. The big advantage the Soviets have is that they can still appeal to people in disputed zones with the old propaganda about how awesome life is in the Soviet Union, complete with healthy, happy workers and their families working for the benefit of everyone. The Nazis, on the other hand, are kinda tainted when they first turn up in a place because, y'know, demons.

>writefagottry go
I will tell you the truth of burning flames, and dieing stars.
The truth of broken secrets, and unending emotions.
I will tell you the lies of the heart undying, and the mind unyielding,
the lies of the cold steel, and desperate logic.
This is a time of unending pain, and boundless hope.
Your species, as young as it is, stands at the edge of extinction.
You have summoned forces you cannot hope to comprehend, and yet you serve them willingly.
You fight your ancient enemies, and yet they are human, understandable.
Could it be you are only now realizing that your kind are endless in their evil?
Could it be that to serve what is alien, is preferable to falling to your own nightmares?
I hope you believe so child.
For that is the path you walk now.
~Source Unknown. Parts of this have been found scrawled as graffiti in almost every part of the world, in almost every known language.

>>21760859
tossed this up, with a little more grimdark into the Background section. What with every supposedly "Free" faction serving some kind of abominable, alien, power. Free Brittania has it's Fae hearted Queen. The Founding Fathers are... well... cthulu, even George Washington, who is by far the most relatable of the Founding Fathers, can shatter minds by speaking a simple sentence to them. The Swiss serve The Grandfather, a device of their own making. The Australians have their super science they become increasingly dependent upon, the Japanese server the Imperial Family which becomes more divine and less human with every generation as Amaterasu's influence grows stronger, and you only have to read some of the older myths to know that's not necessarily a good thing given how gods act.

I think this is a theme we should keep up with all the "Free" factions.

They aren't the soviets or the Nazis, they don't kill babies or treat their populaces like absolute shit.

But they serve things that do not, as a rule, have humanity's best interests at heart.

>Uranium and other fissionable materials might be hand mined, maybe even assembled along an assembly line without much in the way of protection,

I hope for you that your russian bred like rabbits because their lifespan musn't go past 2 months if they literally swim in the water used to cool down reactors.

ps: regular cancer is preferable to demon cancer!

>>21762015
right, but this is a fictional setting, so we can use "fiction radiation".

You know, the type that causes all sorts of cool mutations, not just sterility, cancer, and bleeding from the orifices.

>>21762015
>>21762377
ehn, it's something for discussion at least. I'm not sure which way to bring it honestly.

>>21746990
lol

so I've just had an odd thought about an implication of this setting, that of the Jews in Palestine (there is no UN so no Israel in this setting).
While in real life there is a massive conflict in the area, in this setting it's possible the Jews and Arabs might get along, as the Arabs are in conflict with the Nazis. The enemy of my enemy and all that.

Jerusalem could actually be a staging ground for Arab aid to the Jewish resistance in Europe

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>>21764010
>Arabs aiding Jews to fight the Nazis

I second this hilarious notion

We need a 1d4chan article.

>>21765443
There already is one, though it needs to be updated.

I was thinking about fluffing out Finland a bit more. We need to have something on Simo Häyhä. I was thinking he made a pact with Perkele (The closest anagram to the devil in Finnish mythology) to fight the Russians.

>>21764010
Oh god I want this. Jews riding in battle-golems with arab genies shooting flames errywhere.

>>21746990
>No nazi zombies/vampires

Dafq is this shit?

>>21766322
yeah, the picture doesn't quite fit the setting. Nazi's are demon summoning warlocks, it's the Soviets with the superscience

At an affluent Café in Naples a young women in a green dress knocks her purse off the table as she gets up to leave, spilling its contents upon the floor. The blond man in at the neighboring table helps her gather her belongings. In the bussel he slips the small metal lipstick tube into his pocket.

20 minutes later in a small room.
The man from the dinner takes out the metal tube, opens it and knocks of the stub of lipstick to reveal the folded piece of paper underneath. It reads: “Queens Knight to Kings Bishop. Your Move. M.”

As the man burns the paper he turns to an empty corner of the room, “Maaka, we’ll need a boat”.
The dusky skinned man steps out and replies, “What type of boat?”
The last of the paper burns, “A fast one.


That Night at the Naples docks.
A pair of Black Shirts are walking down the concrete pier, there steps in military unison despite being alone in the night. The rhythmic clomping of their heels is interrupted by the sound of steel on flesh. Then two thumps as the bodies hit the ground.
“Was that really necessary Maaka?”
The dusky man shrugged in response.
“Oh well, drag them onboard. Best if we ditch them later.”

Two hours later, the bodies make a splash as the slide into the Mediterranean.

Aboard the Il Duce. Private Muncino scans the water, as he has for the last three hours. The task is boring but important; smugglers are an epidemic near the Sicilian coast. He focuses his binoculars in on section of water. He could have sworn he saw a ship there, but it must have been something else.

The blond hair man and his companion continue on in their commandeered vessel.

The boat pulls up to a wooden dock near a small village. The coast is riddled with hidden coves and caves, but even with Maaka at the wheel he can’t risk trying to navigate to them. He’ll have to hope the glamour holds until one of the locals can get the ship tucked away.

The boy at the end of shore jumps in surprise as a blond man steps out of thin air, but relaxes then the man crosses himself. The boy responds in kind, this is the man he was waiting for. The boy points to one of the house next to the ruins of the village church.

There was a time when bishops dressed in bright red robes and special hats, but that had not been the case since before the Bishop of Naples was born. For now it was all he could do to provide wine and bread for his companion in the basement of the Mafioso’s house.

“Mr. Bond, I appreciate you arriving here so quickly. This is a matter of utmost important. We have gotten word from our friends in Jerusalem. An agent in Istanbul believes he has a lead on Solomon’s Ring, and word of this has already on its way to Berlin. This man, Mr. Jones, is known for his ability to find ancient artifacts, so I must take his beliefs as credible. It goes without saying that the Gestopo must not be allowed to get their hands on this ring.”

>>21766322

Well, there's nothing saying some enterprising Nazi Sorcerer couldn't come up with the bright idea to convince the lower-ranking gutter-demons (that are normally below the notice of their comrades) to possess some corpses and BAM, Nazi Zombies.

And I'm sure certain Hybrids might manifest in a way that's similar to vampirism.

Though we haven't had anyone suggest vampires elsewhere. Now there's a thought.

>>21766630

>Mr Jones

I like where this is going. I really do. Is he old and bitter? I hope he's old and bitter.

>>21766648
Nazi Zombies sound cool, but I'm not as much of a fan of Nazi Vampires. Nazi Bloodsuckers are fine, just not your standard Dracula vamps

>>21766725
I actually don't know what to do from here.

Well I do. But this intro was short and easy to do. From here the story would kinda spiral out into something huge that I don't have time to write.

And yes, Mr Jones is old and bitter.

>>21766648
They could be an NGO or hang around in the Balkans, acting like a buffer against the resistance groups of Arabs and the Jewish refugees. Vlad Tepes' line could make a comeback, claiming rule over Wallachia and Romania, with their eyes set on moving to conquer the Ottoman successor states.

Could Elizabeth Bathory be included somehow? I'm thinking witch or vampire.

>>21766758
But if this is during the war, which I assume it is with references to Fascist Italy, then our good Dr Jones wouldn't be so old and bitter.

>>21766726

Yeah, maybe there's some Demon Hybrids that like/need to drink blood, but leaving the old-school vampires somewhere else could give some flavour to the various local vampire myths. In some places, you've got your traditional Count Dracula types, in others you've got your even more traditional vampires.

Though that raises a question. Where were all these things before World War II and why is it history only begins to diverge here? One suggestion would be that something in reality changed, maybe as a result of a Nazi experiment, since they seem to be the first people to really use the occult on a massive scale. After that, the myths and legends that people believed in, but that never really existed start to manifest. Ancient magical orders find that their magic actually does something, then pretend it was like this all along. Artifacts all over, including in museums, start manifesting the powers that have been attributed to them, that sort of thing.

In the last thread, it was kind of suggested that magic works on belief. And if the Nazis unlocked some sort of belief-gate that allows all this belief to change reality, that'd make sense.

>>21766822

Well, even if it's in the modern era, Fascist Italy is still around. True, they've been subverted and are pretty much a Nazi protectorate by now, but they're still around. Berlusconi is either a corrupt local politician or the corrupt successor to Il Duce, happy to live on the money and power he gains, even while the Nazi death-grip tightens around the supposedly strong and independent Italy.

>>21766822
it's modern times. Italy is still Fascist in this setting, it's basically a Nazi protectorate.

actually, I'm not entirely sure what the year is for the setting. I mean is started from a picture of Comrade Obama, but most of the discussion acts like the conflict of WWII was fairly recent

>>21760674
I'd say the major centralised cities are post scarcity communist utopias. Moscow, Vladivostok, maybe Beijing if China is USSR aligned. All gleaming towers of steel and concrete, that massive insane mausoleum they were going to build for Lenin dominating the skies.
But outside the cities, in the run down collectivist farm, the ever so slightly leaky reactor cities, the cost of this Soviet opulence is seen

>>21766916
Yeah, this is what I figured. I thought Italy would still be allowed their Black Shirts, to give them the illusion of their independence. Also I didn't think the Nazi's would really object to the fascist elements of Italy, just subvert and coopt them.

>>21766965
I assumed we were in the 50's or 60's in this setting, with the entire world having taken a drastic turn for the weird since the early years of WW2.

>>21766984
like this, but I'd divide the cities, or at least Moscow, into inner and outer cities.
The inner city is gleaming steel and domes (because fuck yeah Red Square and the Kremlin), while the outer city is a massive slum.

>>21766862
Hitlers insanity. In our world he never really got into the occult, maybe the change is Hitler leads the Thule Society and they found some magic tome, either in the ancient Aryan lands near India or somewhere in Scandinavia.
Using this power, fueled by their insane desire to conquer England, they broke the seals on all of magic. So by focusing on England, they awoke Arthur, which sent a magical shockwave around the world, allowing everything else in the setting to follow

>>21766862
there was this awesome comic where the Holocaust turned out to be blood sacrifices on a massive scale, that allowed the Germanic Gods to come back to reality.

I think we could work something with that. Like magic always had the potential to work, but it needed to be kickstarted by murder on an unprecedented scale.

>>21767037
I like this, but maybe a more literal class divide, and move the slums underground. Moscow IRL has the Metro, which doubles as a massive nuclear fallout shelter after all, not a stretch to imagine the USSR making a full city underground mirroring the word above. Put a rather more literal spin on the Russian Thieves World idea of operating under certain "roofs" and you've got crime syndicates as well.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, or why I didn't think of it sooner.

Simo Hayha. He was Finnish, and famous for killing Soviets, so he'd probably be on the Nazi's side.
After getting shot and put into a coma, they decided to graft demon parts on him or something, I don't know.

Before I rechecked his article I wanted him to be a cyborg sniper still using the iron sights on his Nugget.

>>21767037
I'm thinking of Ba Sing Se from A:tLA. The Soviets just wall up everything with their Super-Kremlins.

>>21767033
>>21766965

Well, given the one constant bit of information we have, being that Comrade Obama, Hero of the Soviet Union, is a thing, I guess it's about the present, or at least a little before.

The way I saw it, the world's stagnated a lot. A constant state of warfare or near-warfare, the fact that most of the world is either run directly or indirectly by totalitarian regimes or is a small country with some trick that lets them desperately hold onto their independence means that the world won't have moved much. If anything, I kinda get a 1984 vibe, where the world's been locked in position for a good length of time. It's only now, decades after the status quo got established, that it's starting to break down. Nationalist resistance movements within the occupied territories are getting their shit together, plans are starting to come to fruition and the Cold War between the Nazis and the Soviets is heating up.

>>21767134
Nah, Simo was a Finnish patriot through and through. He's leading the Finnish guerilla resistance these days, backed by a snow golem sniper battalion made up of his dead comrades

>>21767120
nice

>>21767033
well whatever the time, I feel fine having Mr. Bond, M., and Dr. Jones (bitter if not necessarily old), in the story.

Maaka is my own invention, because I though adding a violent Maori would be cool.

Holy shit who decided to revive this? I was part of some of the original threads. Nice to see people working on some a dead project

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Has anything been done for the Soviets weapons? I know just about everything is nuclear powered, but is it conventional or have the Sovs cracked fusion?
And what do they power? Huge conventional turrets, hyper advanced railguns, or mixes of both?
Oh, and would massive airborne monstrosities like pic related be OK? Becuase land battleships are awesome, but Soviet air strength is not to be denied

>>21767158

Having fictional characters turn up in small ways is always cool. Nothing major, just hints that the most feared of Her Majesty's Very Special Agents is Bond (but is it one man, or a title that passes from one to another). Mr Jones is a bitter old man who can't get home, so resorts to being a tomb-robber-for-hire. There was a group of American commandos who got imprisoned by the Soviets/Nazis for a crime they didn't commit, but promptly escaped to the underground, that sort of thing.

And as for time-wise. I think most of the European stuff happened in about the World War 2 timeframe. The invasion of America was probably later, maybe early 50's. And the creeping rolling-up of the rest of the free world has been happening ever since.

>>21767228
Personally I will take any accuse to have massive airship.
I'm more in favor of massive conventional turrets, railguns would be more Australia's thing.

>>21767256
OK, that makes sense. Maybe rocket propelled shells are used a lot, just to throw in another classic Soviet speciality

>>21767158
Pretty sure we already talked about the British spies in the last thread, though I'm not sure if consensus was reached. IIRC, all agents are "touched" by the Fae-hearted Queen to be suave and cool, like James Bond but with Fae powers.

>>21767228

Really, the only limits on Soviet Technology are that it's massive and clunky and polluting and dangerous, but effective nonetheless. The Australians get the gleaming, shiny future-tech stuff. Soviets would probably more be the huge conventional turrets and rockets with a few experimental railguns hitting the scene, whereas the Australians are rail-guns and probably weaponised lasers.

I'd imagine Nuclear Power is the mainstay of the huge war machines that are the heart of the Soviet beast, but the newest generation of battleships might well be fusion powered, I dunno.

Air power is something that's not really come up to much, but definitely. Huge flying fortresses being attacked by swarms of demons and demon-powered aircraft needs to be a thing.

>>21767316
Hmm, maybe play with the concept of glamour here a bit. The more well know the spy is, the more effective he is, even reaching a level of immortality based on the fear generated by his stories being retold. Thats why James Bond has been active so long, and insists on telling everyone his name, it makes him a better spy

>>21767316

Sure, they're Bond-like. But they're not 007. They've got some minor plot armour, and nifty glamoured gadgets, but if every British spy was James Bond, then the Queen would pretty soon rule the world.

>>21767316
I wrote the fic. I did add the fay-touched bit, note the glamours. I was debating whether to have it actually be James Bond, but as soon as the idea of having Indiana Jones be in Istanbul came to me, it kinda had to be Bond.

>>21767228
They are the main SCIENCE! faction after all, so they'd be equipped accordingly. I'm thinking ESP, Torsion Field Emitters (TFE), lightning guns, nuclear powered jetpacks, tanks the size of city blocks and genetically engineered bear giants. Pretty much just any crazy shit they can come up with.

>>21767330
I get the feeling the Sovs have turned to bulk units, wave upon wave of Heavy Battle Tanks supporting immense crawling fortresses.
I like the idea of Soviet railguns being centre mounted, running down the spine of the entire landship

>>21767341
it would also explain why he's looked like 7 different people through the years

>>21767417
Being that influenced by the Fae, your pretty far gone from the human race. Maybe he uses his skill at disguise to try being new versions every decade or so, just for something new

>>21767440

Alternatively, using The Name is a tactic any British Agent can do, on particularly tricky missions. Only a few make a habit of it, but even just once, introducing yourself to the big-shot Italian Generalissimo at the casino as "Bond, James Bond" calls in all sorts of contingencies and coincidences that an Agent can exploit, even as it increases the risk to their health and sanity.

>>21767341
How about going the way of Casino Royale? The 1967 film, not the 2006 one. Everyone takes on the persona of James Bond, who may or may not be a real person, with the Queen's glamour actually making it so they are.

>>21767496
The skill and experiences could be kept with the grafted persona, which can be buried or retrieved should the need arise. The evolved persona is then brought back to the Queen, who may graft it onto someone else. Each agent, even new ones, would have careers of experience of field work. This keeps the secrets of Britain safe and seriously cuts down on required training for the agents. They'd all have a virtually immortal mind.

>>21767572
Not sure I like the idea of that, seems a bit Bourne Identity, which is more the Swiss psychologist spy corps thing.
Maybe its just a glamour, cast by M? You say the name, it activates for a brief time? Of course, the original Bond is every bit as awesome, every single moment of the day, at the cost of being practically Fae by now, hiding it under different faces

Guys, I gotta get some sleep but, please, keep the thread alive. I'm having some neat ideas I wanna share when I get back.

>>21767833

Do it for America, you guys. Do it for Washington.

Because he'll get you if you don't.

Just added some soviet stuff to the 1d4chan page, anyone here want to look it over, give me a review?
Cheers

>>21768152
Shush you! Don't mention......HIS.....name aloud, he can hear. No matter where or when, he can hear. And he likes to remind people that at the very least he earned the right to be called "Mr President"

>>21768174

Looks good. Adding anything to the previoously meager stuff we had on the Soviet Union is good.

bumb before bed

>>21765518
>Simo Häyhä
I forgot about this guy. He was going to be a crazy ghost solider leading legions of ghost Finnish soldiers or something, turning Finnland into a noman's land of terror and death. "ARMOR DOESN'T STOP THE GHOST BULLETS D:"

>>21767833
No promises, but if push comes to shove, stick it in the 1d4chan page's talk please.

Now then. I'm gonna start culling the past 3 or so threads and begin adding what we came up with to the thing. Cause we are going back over ALOT of established ground x-X

For the moment. Assume that Europe is pretty well defined in GENERAL, but not in fine tuning specifics. I'm gonna try and get the wiki up to date before tomorrow evening PST, but I make no promises. If others want to help go through the past 3 threads (thread 5 was the one that covered China and a few other places, 6 we came up with TONS on the various small time resistance groups, etc.etc."

>>21768196
And hush you. The First, George Washington, is a humble man. He hates those rumors about himself, even if for the most part they're true now rather than the fictions they were during the revolution. He just wants to raise live horses and farm potatoes on the little plot of fertile land left up top after he spent a few decades purifying the damn thing.

Well, Europe, North America and the Far and Near East are kinda well defined at this point. So we ought to get some more general ideas about the disputed zones, namely South America and Africa.

I saw some suggestions that the bulk of South America remains unoccupied because the jungle itself turns against the invaders. Also that the locals might have turned back to their old gods (maybe after seeing the effectiveness of the Nazi Demon-summoning?). Africa, meanwhile, would be another disputed area, with the Nazis pretty firmly in control in the north, what with the success they would have had there without the British and others to fight back. In the more southern parts, though, people might be more receptive to communist ideas, at least outside of places that reject outside influence altogether. As for what sort of supernatural stuff is going on there, fuck knows.

But thinking of the north of Africa. Most people agree that Rommel was a pretty cool guy. So if the people he left in charge (he's probably dead, or at least retired by this point) are anything like him, they're probably not entirely in line with the normal Nazi behaviour. Maybe they're less keen on human sacrifices, preferring to pay in survivable amounts of blood. Get some tension there, since Rommel's popular enough to be a threat to the establishment if he wanted to be.

>>21774452
I like the idea of the Afrika regional commanders taking after Rommel a lot more and being a lot more moderate. Maybe the area is still under military governance rather than the Magocracy?
As for Sub Saharan africa, I'd place it under nominal Soviet control, with huge strip mines extracting the minerals needed to manufacture Soviet war machines. But outside the fortified mining towns a proxy war rages, Nazi backed rebels clashing with Soviet forces, and other, stranger, forces interfere against both sides

>>21774630
I'd see africa as being a mostly laid back continent. Nazi and sovient outposts nominally running an area, but for the most part it's left to run it's own business.

This is until somebody pushes something a little to far, and things escalate, ant the big powers notice what's going on, at which point both sides bring out the big guns and six weeks later the local area is another nuclear wasteland. Hense everybody tries to keep it amiable.

>>21774836
I like that. Maybe one day a puppet leader pushed things a bit to far, and the war that followed was so devastating all the outposts and puppet governments agreed to just ignore one another as the cost was too great. They don't want to become the next Mid West Wasteland

>>21774836
>>21774877

I like this. It'd be too easy to make Africa a war-torn hell-hole filled with savage tribes and brutal colonial opressors. It's a nice subversion to have it be on of the more peaceful parts of the setting. Ordinary Nazi and Soviet soldiers are so pleased if they get told they're being assigned to an African outpost, because it generally means a peaceful few years. Obviously, every once in a while some enterprising new commander gets assigned who wants to make a name for themselves by doing some liberating, or one of the many local resistance movements strikes a serious blow, but on the whole, it's a pretty chill place to be.

>>21775538
yup, much like how in the middle east jews and arabs are best buds because they hate the nazis more.
Subverting the obvious politics.

I've got some things to do, but later today I'll try to make a map for this setting, because it needs one.

Warning, the quality will be fairly low.

Also has it been decided who controls the Philippines, Indonesia and the other island nations?
Glorious Nippon with the stinking Soviets constantly trying to take them, or the Glorious USSR with the stinking Japs constantly attacking their shipping lanes?

>>21775564
I'm not sure TBH. What are the Phillippines natural resources? Because thats the main drive here after all.
I'm tempted to say nominally independent, more because no one wants to island hop again, and the islands exist in a state of near constant anarchy. Might makes right.
Hell, pirate enclaves need to be a thing, why not put them here?

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>>21775538
This. The Kenyan region of Soviet Africa has produced one of the USSR's finest commanders after all.
I imagine Sov troops like the fresh air, relatively free from the pollution of the frontlines, while the Nazi occupiers finally get a chance to ditch the heavy leather uniforms and catch some sun

What if USSR use ESPers while Nazis use magic?

The difference is mainly that magic requires things offered in exchange and secret rituals while ESP is mainly TRAINING TRAINING TRAINING and a bullshit load of luck to avoid turning yourself into a vegetable due to psionic backlash.

ESPers would probably be less directly offensive and more focused on reconnaissance, mass suggestion, weather manipulation and just generally getting in the way in the most paranoia-inducing ways possible.

>>21775564
Nips and Injuns probably hold the others at bay by using SUPER MARTIAL ARTS and enlightenment-derived powers.

Okay,
1) We got an actual map a while back of who controls what in Africa, last thread I believe.

2) Loving the idea of Rommel being a part of this. Maybe for a long time the SS was trying to get the generals in that region, and they just all, well, met very mysterious accidents. It wasn't until the current magocracy where they care more about staying in power than the Final Solution that they laid off, though the occasional enterprising SS officer still tries to uncover corruption. In this region, they use the absolute minimum of demon magic, and some suspect they're starting to go native, taking local's advanced genetics technology (which they use to alter creatures like Hyenas into various warbeasts, as well as apes and monkies into allies) instead and keeping it on the down low.

>>21775876
I like the idea of Soviets having X-Com style psykers, very rare but very powerful mind readers and telekines that can spontaneously manifest in the field under stress

>>21775876
I also imagine ESPers use ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY to tap into their powers. nuclear spark plugs drilled into their skull and attached to powerful computer backpacks and micro fusion/fission generators. They live short, but GLORIOUS lives as NUCLEAR LIGHTNING super charges their brains, slowly frying them. They trade memories and personality for this power. The oldest never get to 50 before becoming a vegetable, in which case the plugs are ripped out of their skull, and they are allowed to die with DIGNITY, honored in a vast graveyard/memorial site in Moscow itself. Their spark plugs and power packs are given to a new ESPer, and rumors abound of "Ghosts in the machine" of ESPers who remain in their spark plugs and take over their new hosts again and again and again.

>>21775893
Japans already been established as a nation of Shintoist ancestor worshipping raiders, protected by the magically enhanced Divine Winds that rage around the island

>>21775937
The Strongest ESPer, produced by a combination of stolen African genetic modification tech (which later became the basis of the Mao's cloning vats), is THE IRON MIND OF THE MOTHERLAND. He is the first ESPer, and even at nearly 60 years of age, he's the only ESPer to never need the spark plugs.

>>21775937
You I like.
The most powerful are wired directly into enourmous psy energy focusing chambers, which amplify their power to the point they can pick up entire divisions of enemy vehicles and dash them into the earth

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>>21775951
Could my pic be related?

>>21775937
Ever heard of Torsion fields? It's pretty much exactly what they need. Nuclear powered Torsion Field Emitters, that's where it's at.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_field_(pseudoscience)

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first attempt at a Deathworld Soviet Vs Nazi Map.

Note that contested doesn't necessarily equal active conflict, just no clear control (mainly I didn't feel like dividing up each little area of Africa). There is conflict in other regions, and peaceful places within the contested areas.

I'll start putting in stuff like area names, and maybe major cities next.

Let me know if there are any corrections I need to make.

>>21776039
Thats pretty good work mate, I would only say that the midwest should be contested entirely, between the Nazis, Sovs and Constitutionalists. The area is a massive warzone in setting, with sectors changing hands every day

>>21775915
we did?
I don't remember it, but please post a link if you have it.

>>21776039
Not sure what needs to be changed since it's a bit iffy what we've agreed on so far. You might wanna relabel "Nazi" to "Axis," or introduce other labels such as "Protectorate" and "Vassal."

Not sure if Spain is a single country anymore since it was suggested it might have balkanized into two or more states.

>>21776094
well, I wanted to have the Nazi control at least Detroit, as I did a writeup about what Nazi Detroit is like.
Do you just mean push the are more to the south? Becaus most o the midwest is colored as contested.

>>21776122
adding stuff like that in the second run. Just wanted to get the main areas in so I'd have something to work with.

Going to head out for a bit soon, so I'll check in on this thread and start making corrections later.

I've also change much of West Africa to being Soviet controlled, so that we can have Comrade Obama from Soviet Kenya.

>>21775937

YES, I LOVE YOU PEOPLE, and the aesthetic seems pretty sweet.
>>21775952

Alternatively, gifted individuals can - when in close proximity - enter a state where their minds form a Gestalt that is stronger than the sum of its parts which often tends to make for really painful surprises when a Russian submarine with 12 ESPers on board manages to make an entire coast town commit collective suicide.
>>21775920

> rare
Yep, that's probably a key word.
A lot of people apply I imagine, but the drop-out/burn-out/ rate is so high you can only call upon maybe 10,000 Psychics in the entire nation at any given time.

>>21776137
Oh, was that you who did that?
Yeah, a lot has been thrown around about the Constits using voodoo and stuff, so placing them in the south makes more sense, and frees up the deserts for the world shaking battles to come

>>21775920

In addition to what everyone else has said so far, it's also been suggested that the Swiss are into Psychic research, but their methods are a lot more controlled and subtle than the Soviets' "CHARGE HIS BRAIN WITH ELECTRICITY COMRADE" approach, using programming and suggestion. Their results are less powerful, but more in control and more easily hidden psychics.

>>21776039

Adding to what's been said, I'd make a few changes.

Australia, for one, is fully under Soviet control. The Australian government as a free state fled to Antarctica.

I'd make the Soviet/Nazi border in Europe more clear and less contested. It's had the longest time to settle down and fortify, I'm envisioning massive lines of fortifications and de-militarised zones. Neither country wants a war there, so close to their respective capitals.

I'd make the as yet unspecified Middle Eastern free state smaller, but more on that in the next post since this'll probably be too long.

And the next step will probably be to start specifying what various free states hold, since the Far East will probably be divided between territories the Japanese nominally control thanks to raiding it so often they become depopulated, parts that are under Nationalist Chinese or Communist Chinese control, and parts that are fully Soviet.

And for the sake of it, I'd have some areas of Soviet and Nazi control in South America, namely the northern piece, around Venezuela and the northern Andean region be Soviet and the Southern region (including Argentina) be Nazi. Because having Nazis in Argentina is too good to pass up.

>>21776002
This is good. Better yet, it was conceived by the Soviets. I don't think it should be the only way to introduce ESP and psionics, but this is a good one. Maybe it's better used primarily for fast travel or in their WMDs?

>>21776270

With regards to the Middle East, like I said, I'd make the region of independence a lot smaller. I'm imagining a sort of triangle, stretching from the Mount Ararat in the North, to Jerusalem on the Mediterranean coast, down to Mecca in the south.

If we go with the origins of this free state being Saudi research into Djinn that culminated in a marriage allying the House of Saud with some Djinn dynasty from Mount Ararat, it'd make sense for a considerable part of Saudi Arabia to be independent, but being pragmatists looking to expand their influence and aware of Jerusalem's symbolic importance, probably made overtures and alliances to bring Palestine and where Isreal is now into the area of protection.

The fact that doing so expanded Saudi Arabia's control over those areas was, of course, entirely coincidental.

>>21776331
Why are so determined to give a border to the proposed middle eastern nation? Why not a bunch of wandering tribes, allied through blood ties and Djinn sponsored magical rites? Ben Saud was the stereotypical Arabic Bedouin raider after all

>>21776270
Swiss brainjobs make Nazis cry and Ruskies grind their teeth in frustration.

A Swiss psyker, like a Swiss knife or clock is precise, dependable and very, very sturdy.

Sure, those folks won't be setting regiments of fire anytime soon, but they don't need to when said regiments find out every. single. tank's engine has had a crucial part of their engine phase-shifted into another so they're locked together on the molecular level.

Being neutral, the Swiss also provide a lot of powers with Mental Stabilization services which make the patients subjected to it incredibly stress-resistant, impervious to mind alterations and constantly alert, making them excellent candidates for crucial positions such as secret services.

You could throw hosts of psykers at the barriers they erect around a person's will and the patient will just keep going till you kill 'em.

>>21776362

Mostly because while the Bedouin might not be the most reliant on borders, the Soviets and Nazis pressing in on both sides definitely would be. The borders aren't so much the Saudis staking their claim, they're the limits of where the Djinn protect. Anything beyond that, and anyone not flying a Swastika or Hammer and Sickle makes easy pickings.

Of course, the Bedouin come and go mostly as they please, like they always have. They just know that in some places they'll be protected, in others they won't.

>>21776408
Ah, so a Bermuda Triangle for the Ocean of Sand? I can dig it

>>21776425

Well, it's a Bermuda Triangle for the Soviets and Nazis. You can try flying over it, but there's no telling if a curiously sentient sandstorm will suddenly blow up at a tremendous altitude and tear your plane from the sky and convoys of ground vehicles find themselves swallowed up by the sand itself. For the people protected by it, it's a haven.

The problem being is how the Djinn tell who they protect from who they don't. Maybe there's designated individuals who know the rituals and rhythms to assure the Djinn of their innocent purpose and allow safe passage. Most Bedouin tribes have at least one or two such individuals, and there's an entire department within the government that trains people to become interpreters.

"Oh fish, are you faithful to the old covenant" and all that.

>>21776671

Dragons got mentioned somewhere, but the way I see it, they don't make excellent ideas for any of the resistance movements where they'd kind of make sense. I mean, a dragon's cool and all, but they're really just big fire-magnets and there's no way a resistance movement could hide it to use it maximum effectiveness.

On the other hand, if there's rumours of Dragons lurking somewhere, then people might well go chasing them to have another weapon to use against their oppressors.

>>21776962
This second part I like and agree with.

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>>21776270
Thanks for the advice.

Mind if I have Tasmania be a contested region between Australia and The Nazi's?

Changed Europe. I figure neither superpower wants a war there, but both are prepared for one.

Where should the dividing line for the two Chinese states be?

I'm keeping Spain as one state for now, as splitting it into two doesn't make sense with a nazi controlled North Africa

>>21776408
okay, to keep this I only shrunk the Arab states boarders a little bit, but made all the borders heavily contested.

Still need to decide what to do with the South Pacific Isles.

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>>21776962
Oh, Dragons would probably really be just the legendary "If We Had This We Would Win" plot tokens that are always just out of reach.

If anything, it'd be the Nazis who use them for shock and awe types of operations, probably enslaved with some type of dragonslayer artifact of old.

>>21777546
> image
Ruskie robot tech with telepathic mind machine interface?

>>21777495

>Mind if I have Tasmania be a contested region between Australia and The Nazi's?

I dunno. To me, Australia always seemed like the kind of place that survived and was independent mostly because it was hidden away in its Antarctic hideaway. If either the Nazis or Soviets knew about the high-technology shit they had, then they'd suddenly make themselves a target.

There's a few more places in Europe that I'd colour as Nazi puppet states, as in the rest of the Axis countries like Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania and Yugoslavia.

Spain should definitely be one state. The fascists had control by the time the war started, and the forces of the Republic were pretty much wiped out. Add in Nazi support and it doesn't look good for a splitting Spain.

As for China, I really don't know. Reading up on the Civil War, it seemed far more mobile than most, with frontlines changing all over the place and over time. What would probably make most sense is having the Communists in the North and West, with the Kuomintang in the South and East. That way, the Nationalists, who'll be more independent than the Communists get cities like Hong Kong and Shanghai, which are always fun to have adventures in, and the Communists will almost act as a buffer between the Nationalists and the Soviet war machine. China as a whole could also be a bit smaller, given the Soviet expansion, but that might be a bit much.

As for South-East Asia, I can get where you're coming from. I didn't really like Japan retaining some of their Empire, but having them have hold-outs of fanatically devoted soldiers down there occupying some islands, making it a less attractive prospect to invade. Basically, Conflicted Zone.

>>21777546
>>21776671
African biotech has been mentioned as a thing available to both sides, maybe they create these mecha dragon monsters as shock troops?
Completely expendable. sent up more as a reminder the war's still on than to achieve any military objective, but capable of creating havoc if they reach their target

>>21766808
I love that idea

>>21777740

>African biotech has been mentioned as a thing available to both sides, maybe they create these mecha dragon monsters as shock troops?

I'm kinda curious as to why Africa's become associated with Biotechnology, other than as an excuse for having animal-people in a way that isn't too dodgy.

To me, it just seems a bit odd. There's not really any states in Africa at the time that leap out at me as potential free states thanks to their biotechnology. Having it as just a generalised thing in Africa doesn't really work for me.

I'd rather try and do some research and find out some local beliefs to work with, though that involves some work.

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updated map.

How far are we from the bump limit

>>21777740
can we not just have africa as 'comfortably conquered' by the two sides in different places, with a bunch of free states. Make africa a place that highlites the cold war aspect, with both sides waiting for the other to show weakness or agression, but deadlocked otherwise. Meanwhile, the locals go about their daily lives, trying very hard to igniore the iminant nuclear doom hanging over their heads. Sure there's supertech, but it's just the standard nazi/soviet superweapons, rather than specialised local stuff.
Not everywhere has to be OMG SUPERAWESOMEUNIQUE.

Then again, gorilla supersoldiors being bred in the congo is, like, a pulp classic.

Hey. We have legends coming back to the world right? Lets all post some African folklore heroes. I put forth Anansi, the trickster. He can be fucking up Nazi and Soviet plans in Africa, keeping the people safe. Though not all his tricks are on the invaders. Oh no. Sometimes he likes to mess with the natives as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anansi

>>21778258
>>21778301

Combining these two, I think, is gonna be our best bet. Both super-powers occasionally use Africa as a testing ground for their more... esoteric research. Because hey, the only people who'll get hurt are Africans and neither really gives a shit.