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We arrive at my house and hide all the various equipment inside the shed. I take care to conceal it, even though I'm the only one who ever comes out here.

We then return to the living room, and begin to plan our next course of action.

“All right, so if we can convince Caster to help we'll have everything covered as far as Sakura goes.” I say sitting down after serving some tea. “All we need to do then is allow Kirei to perform the procedure since Ilya can keep her from dieing and Lancer can heal her after it's over.”

“What about Rider?” Saber asks. “Kirei said this... crest worm is bound to her like a familiar. She might not be willing to undergo the procedure if Rider's going to be killed by it.”

“Rider likely wouldn't be pleased by it either.” Rin says, hesitantly. “I don't know how to get around that.”

“Easy.” Archer says looking at her. “Just have Caster break your contract with me. My independent Action means I can go for days without a Master. Assuming Sakura's cooperation you would effectively have two servants.”

Saber looks at him shocked. “You would do that? Limit your power and sever your connection to still serve her?”

“Of course.” Archer responds with a nod. “I told her that I would do my best to ensure she wins the war. I can hardly accomplish my own goals if she loses.”

Rin gives him a slightly incredulous look. “Eh? Your own goals? You were serious about that wish then?”
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>>21845534

“Of course.” he answers calmly. “I could hardly use such power for anything else and still be a hero.” He then stands up. “Since the war seems to be on hold for the next day or so, I'm going to go investigate this 'Shadowman' Shirou saw. It might be connected to that warning of the Shadow he received.”

“Alone?” Saber asks.

Archer nods. “It will be faster by myself. Besides, you can more effectively use the time to beat the stupid out of your Master.”

“.... Be careful.” Rin comments, receiving a nod as he departs. She then turns to me. “Doubtless Taiga will want to visit Sakura after school, but we still have a few hours before then.”

[ ] Examine the book.
[ ] Spar with saber.
[ ] Magic training with Rin.
[ ] (insert alternative here).
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>>21845538
>[ ] Magic training with Rin
We need more magic knowledge.
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>>21845538
[X] Magic training with Rin.

We've learned a LOT about our Dad these past few days. Get some practise in so we can become even MORE magical
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[x] Magic training with Rin.

We should get Sakura a nice fish for when she gets better
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>>21845605
We can always read the book later, while waiting through Sakura's surgery

I just want to say, though - while Archer is being pretty stand-up towards, Rin, I don't know if Shirou should trust him that much going off on his own. I have a paranoid suspicion he's plotting something while we're away.
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>>21845538
[x] Spar with Seibah
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Hey, /tg/. Just happened to come online for the first time in about a week and I saw this.

I'd like to take a minute to apologize for abandoning this quest and for, frankly, acting like a cunt. After AC-Guy and myself had our little falling out I pretty much rage-quit the internet for a little while, and ended up getting involved in the storm relief stuff for Sandy. About the time I ended up going back home, I discovered that things weren't quite as bad as I thought they were going to be locally and began working on getting my community back in shape.

Eventually, I came back to /tg/ and Saw AC-Guy running the quest, and lo and behold it's good. I feel bad for not finishing what I started.... but at this point it's kinda too late for me to come back. Plus I was really just cribbing everything off of his notes anyway.

As far as the hows and the whys behind me leaving... Yeah, it was pretty much exactly what AC-Guy said. I mean, maybe he could've calmed down a touch more and I could have tried apologizing, but when it's about 90% my fault clarifying certain details just feels like making excuses.

So, I'm gonna disappear back into anon after this, but I just felt like I should apologize to the fans for the drama and AC-Guy for leaving him with more work. I would've done this sooner but.... well frankly I didn't have much time for internet in the last few weeks. So maybe it's for the best AC-Guy took over anyway.

Polite sage for off-topic.
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>>21845680

>Apology accepted, and points noted.

>Still hate you though. More than a tiny bit.
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>>21845538
>[ ] Examine the book.
And if we come across anything we don't understand, we can ask Rin about it.
>Archer wants to break Contract with Rin
Oh fuck. We have ZERO in character reason not to be cool with this, but out of character I know that this is a BAD idea.
Well, except for the fact that we can comfort her after he inevitably betrays us.
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>>21845766
We have plenty of reason not to be cool with it.
The guy's an asshole. We don't trust him, we don't LIKE him, and he feels exactly the same about us.
Letting him off his leash is the LAST thing we would agree to.
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>>21845792
>>21845766
The more I think about this, the more I think this is some big, glorious backstab in the making.

(personally, I'm expecting Caster to be in league with Archer on this already. Paranoia-ahoy!)
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Rin and I go to her room shortly afterwards.

"So Shirou, exactly what do you want to learn?"

"What do you mean? We were working on Alchemy and Projection before."

"Exactly. But your circuts are rather specialized. learning other types of magic would be difficult and time consuming, and there's not much more I can do in the field of projection to help you learn. Given how natural the process is for you, all I can really say if for you to practice."

"Huh. What about alchemy?"

"It's not exactly useful in the short term." she responds with a shrug. "You can do interesting things with it after years of study, but not anything that will help us with the war." she sighs and gives me a look. "I originally taught it to you hoping I could build on it to go into a basic study of other things, but your circuits aren't going to cooperate with that plan."

"So I'm hopeless with other magic?"

"Not completely." She answers. "I could start teaching you about magic circles and thaumaturgy. In theory you could o anything with that, even if it would be more difficult and time consuming than a normal casting.

[ ] Practice projection.
[ ] Learn alchemy.
[ ] Learn thaumaturgy.
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>>21845875
[X] Practice projection.

Stick with what we're good at. We're a specialist, may as well refine the fuck out of it.
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>>21845875
[x] Learn thaumaturgy.
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>>21845875
>Practice projection
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>>21845875
>[ ] Learn thaumaturgy.
We gonna make magical equivalent of M18A1s?
We gonna make magical equivalent of M18A1s.
Shakey the Pig is pleased.
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>>21845875
Hmm... My RPG logic says that one should specialize like fuck, and that way rely on other party members to handle their niche well.

My pragmatic side wants to understand a little bit of thaumaturgy. It wouldn't hurt to know a bit, particularly if we're going to be storming a mage's home after we fix up Sakura.

[x] Practice projection

RIn will be able to advise us when stroming the castle, anyhow
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>>21846020
And what if she's not available, or we get split up, or she gets taken down?
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>>21845875
[X] Practice projection.
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>>21846020
Specialization leaves glaring holes in your defenses which a clever enemy can exploit. It's how Kirei earned the title "The Magus Killer", he exploited the big weakness almost every Magus shares. They don't "get" modern tech. We probably shouldn't risk being taken down due to not "getting" how certain types of magic work.
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>>21846142
Correction, certain types of MAGECRAFT.
Magic is reserved for the True Magics.
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>>21846142
>implying pic related isn't the end result of hyperspecialization into projection, combined with Shriou's unique Element/Origin combination and distorted worldview
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>>21846219
>Implying that matters if we punk out and die before we can get there
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"If I'm so specialized then honing that craft seems like the most logical route, especially if it's so potent." I respond after a moments thought. "You're better than I'll ever be in general practice, so it's not like we're losing much on that front if I put off learning Thaumaturgy."

"Alright then." she says. We spend almost an hour talking theory, and she expresses surprise in how my casting works. apparently it's unusual for a spell to be formed without casting. "It's more than unusual." She says. "It should be impossible. The framework is something that doesn't normally exist. casting is split into two parts: creating the framework of the spell being cast, and the casting itself." I nod along. "Things like Wands and Crests can make it faster and easier to the point of almost non-existence. But there's still something there. But you're saying that the framework is already there?"

"It's like.... a bullet." I respond. "I make the spell, but the spell itself is like a package. It's not a thing I have to cast. Once the spell exists though, I can just load it and fire at any time without having to think about it."

"Really?"

"Yeah. you said activating a magic circuit is like flipping a switch? For me it's more like slamming the hammer of the gun down. It shoots a spell that's already there and turns off."

"... Then how do you maintain spells like projections?"
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>>21846142
you mean Kiritsugu, but anyway

Practice projection
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>>21846244
>>21846142
You both make good points, but I'm not gonna go and change my vote to tie this up and let AC-Guy get all fucked up.

next time, though, put me down for some thaumaturgy
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>>21846356

"... I don't? They already exist, so it's not like I constantly need to cast them." Rin stares disbelievingly at me, like I just suggested that flight could be achieved by flapping your arms hard enough.

".... Alright. So can you cast more than one at a time?"

"I've never tried." I respond."

"You said that you can prepare the spell and then NOT fire it? could you do more than one like that?"

".... I suppose." I get a slightly uneasy feeling. "I think there might be a limit to how many I can do at once though. Like how a gun can only hold so many bullets at once."

"Alright then, let's see how far we can push it." She says with a smile. "We need to find your limits in multiple casting and in maintaining multiple spells."

>Give me a d20 training roll. You can't fail, it's to see how well you do.
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>>21846362
Yes. Yes I do. As you've probably figured out from the two mistakes there, I am way too tired for questan'. Gonna have to just read the archive tomorrow.
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Rolled 16

>>21846364
>You can't fail
IS THAT A CHALLENGE, OR A BET?
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Rolled 17

>>21846364
MAGIC!
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>>21846364
AND SO I PRAY, NAT 20 WORKS!
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Rolled 1

>>21846364
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>>21846400
Fuck me like a virgin goat.
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Rolled 10

>>21846399
Fucking dice
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>>21846400
>You can't fail
Dice disagree~
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Rolled 12

>>21846364
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Rolled 17

SAVE US LORD!
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Rolled 1

H-h-here I go!
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>>21846471

Oh god dammit
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Rolled 4

>>21846471
Well, we're using up the Nat 1'as as we go. I'm okay with this. Really.
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>>21846400
>>21846471
Hee. So much for not failing.
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Rolled 16

>>21846400
>>21846471
Oh this is going to end well. Come one, let's save this.
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Rolled 1

>>21846528
Bro, there's nothing to save. This is PRACTICE. We've been explicitly told no failure. Hell, the last time this shit happened, Shirou grasped his Origin. How bad can it be this time?
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>>21846605
With three 1's we'll find out.
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Rolled 17

>>21846400
>>21846471
>>21846605
All these ones!
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>>21846605

Stop that
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Rolled 4

>>21846605
>>21846400
>>21846471
>>21846605
>>21846643

REJOICE! YOUR WISH WILL SOON COME TRUE!
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Rolled 12

>>21846655
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Ah, finally finished screencaping first response quest, I can finally go to slee--
>Fate Again
--Stay up all night as I had originally planned!
*reads thead*
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Guys, I think only the first three rolls are counted.
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>>21846655

Stop trying to help dammit
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>>21846400
>>21846471
>>21846605
Oh fuck us.
But on the brightside, only the first three count--
>>21846384
>>21846385
>>21846400
>>>21846400
Scratch that. Oh fuck us.
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>>21846384
>>21846385
>>21846400

I start by summoning Archer's swords.

"Two at once?" Rin asks, with a slightly quirked eyebrow.

"Not quite." I respond. "I don't know why, but that felt more like they were two halves of the same spell."

She nods, and I summon Berserker's Sword, leaving it on the bed with Archer's blades. I summon a Katana I saw in a museum once, and Assassin's blade as well. After a while, I realize that I don't really know that many blades and just start summoning knives, like the ones in the kitchen. I get up to about a dozen blades total before I really start to feel the strain.

"Huh. So you can maintain several, but you can only summon two at once?"

"I'm not even doing two at once, just one after another very quickly." I respond. "I think I have to do it one at a time."

Rin nods. "How many can you prepare then?"

I meditate, and focus, trying to see how many patterns I can manage at once.

".... I think I can do about fifteen different patterns." I say. "But if I just copy a pattern I've already done over and over I can do almost twice that."

"On Phantasms?"

"Yeah. I think I can just throw Knives forever." I respond with a shrug.

"Well, you can do swords and knives." Rin says. "Can you do anything else?"

"What do you mean?"

"I mean, you could argue that from a magical perspective a sword is a really big knife, or vice versa. Clearly it's the closest to your origin if it's that easy for you, but what about other things?"
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>>21846817

"Like a spear?" I ask, thinking back to Lancer's weapon.

"Yeah, let's start there." She says. I focus, and manage to manifest it as well, and then take a few panting breaths.

"It's a lot harder." I say. "And I don't think this one's as good as the others."

"How about non weapons?"

"Like what?"

"A chair?" She answers with a shrug.

I focus on the idea in my head. a chair.

A wooden chair.

Nothing complicated, certainly nothing like what I've already done.

And yet....

"Somehow I don't think that's a good idea."

"Come on." She says impatiently. "Just try it. It can't be that bad."

I take a deep breath and focus one eye inward. Then both eyes. I trace the pattern in my mind, and begin to shape the process.

I can feel a hostile gaze on me as I do so. I ignore it, and continue my work.

It's there. The chair exists. But then I feel a sharp pain i9n my head. I haven't even begun to project it yet, but I can somehow already see the chair breaking, cracks all over it's surface.

All the way into the soul of the chair.

This Chair. I can project it, but it's clearly not something I'm supposed to do.

This Chair. I start to cock the hammer back. I release the hammer, and I feel it.

A knife. A knife hits the chair, and the chair in my mind explodes.
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>>21846824

I open my eyes when I hear the breaking glass, wooden shrapnel appearing over the room and knocking over a vase and a lamp, shattering a window.

Rin stands up from where she took cover behind the bed and grabs a knife off the floor. A knife in the middle of the wreckage, with a note attached. A single word.

'No'.

I hear a doorbell.

[ ] Go answer the door.
[ ] Tell Saber to get it.
[ ] Ask Rin to answer it.
[ ] Ask Rin what the hell just happened.
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>>21846701
Well I can't ruin things as I though this worked like how >>21846698 described.

At any rate, all we can do now is see AC-guys reply
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>F/SN on /tg/
God, just about 5 or so days ago I was convinced about how Caster supremacy as a concept was a horrible idea thanks to Seiba. Started playing 4E for the first time ever and now I'm regretting ever being in that caster rut for so long.

Let it be said that I am VERY interested
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>>21846824

This chair is an eyesore.

I wonder if we can project routers
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>>21846824
>That Tsukhime reference
10/10
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>>21846834
[X] Go answer the door.

So no chairs.
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[x] Ask Rin what the hell just happened.
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>>21846698
>[ ] Ask Rin what the hell just happened.
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>>21846824
>>21846834
Pic isn't just needed, it's required.
[]ask Rin what the hell happened. Someone else will answer it.
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>>21846834
>[ ] Go answer the door.
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>>21846834
[x] Ask Rin what the hell just happened.
fucking
what
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>>21846834
answer the door like a good boy
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>>21846834
We NOPE'd so hard our subconscious wrote us a note.
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>>21846834
>This Chair
WTF?

[X] Ask Rin what the hell just happened.

Someone thew a knife through the window, and asploded our projected chair?

Also, along these lines [X]Look at the knife in the middle of the wreckage? What does it look like?
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>>21846824
>This Chair. I can project it, but it's clearly not something I'm supposed to do.
>
>This Chair. I start to cock the hammer back. I release the hammer, and I feel it.
>
>A knife. A knife hits the chair, and the chair in my mind explodes.
Pic so very related.
>>21846834
>[ ] Ask Rin what the hell just happened.
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I turn to Rin, who's staring uncomprehending at the wreckage her room just became.

"So, uh.... what just-"

"Why the fuck did you make an EXPLODING CHAIR!?!" She cuts me off.

Saber enters the room. "What happened?" she asks concerned.

"He just summoned a chair and exploded it!" Rin says, pointing at me.

"What." Saber not quite asks, looking between the remains of the chair and the two of us, as though silently begging for it to make sense. "What." she gesture futilely. "Really Shirou, what?"

"I didn't- I didn't make the chair explode." I respond. "The knife did. It's like... it's like the chair had a place to stab that would make it explode. And then it got stabbed." I say, looking at them.

I receive a pair of stares so blank that it tugs at the edges of my soul. "What." Rin says for both of them.

"I don't get it either." I respond, raising my hands defensively. "It's like someone else went into the projection while I was forming it and made the chair explode. So I summoned an exploding chair." I point at the knife. "And they left a knife and a note behind."

Rin looks at them. When I let go of the projection, the knife remains.

"How? Why?" Rin asks. "It just doesn't make sense, unless there's someone with a psychotic hatred of chairs and some kind of a Marble Phantasm....." She looks at the wreckage disbelievingly.

The doorbell rings again.

[ ] Answer the door.
[ ] Let someone else get it.
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>>21847148
>unless there's someone with a psychotic hatred of chairs and some kind of a Marble Phantasm....."
>someone with a psychotic hatred of chairs
>Marble Phantasm

Well then. I'll just file this away under "too terrible to think about".

>[ ] Answer the door.
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>>21847148
> unless there's someone with a psychotic hatred of chairs and some kind of a Marble Phantasm....
10/10 Tsukihime references. You magnificent son of a bitch.

[x]Answer the Door.
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>>21847148
>[X]Let Rin get it.

Let her answer it while we get our mind back into one piece. I'm also getting a bad feeling about who might be at the door, so let's play it safe here.
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>>21847148
>Answer the door.
Yeah, explaining this any more is a lost cause. Let's just quietly check the door and hope that Rin and Saber forget about this. (doubt it)
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>>21847148
>unless there's someone with a psychotic hatred of chairs and some kind of a Marble Phantasm.....
>Psychotic hatred of chairs
>Marble Phantasm
Tsukihime crossover time?

Get the door.
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>>21847148
[X] Answer the door.

It's just an exploding chair, considering our daily life that's a turn for the mundane. Let's get the door, it'd be impolite to ask a guest to get it.
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>>21847148
>[X] Answer the door.

Somebody has to.

Also, did someone say MARBUL PHANTASMU?
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>>21847148
[x] Answer the door.
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>>21847148
>the chair had a place to stab that would make it explode. And then it got stabbed.
Oh mother of FUCK! Shiki is somehow involved? We should be pissing our long johns right now.
>[ ] Answer the door.
>>21847236
Do you promise to Marble Phantasm my heart too next time?
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"I'm... I'm gonna go answer the door...."

Rin shoos me away while her and Saber begin to clean the room.

I go and answer the door.... and find Ayako waiting holding some grocery bags. "Shirou." She greets with a smile.

"Hi Ayako." I say surprised. "I, uh- Why are you at my house?"

"Well, since you're apparently too worried about other people to care for yourself when you're sick...." She holds up the bags. "I figured someone should come in and make sure you didn't get yourself killed. Besides, you made dinner for me, so I can't just leave that score unsettled." She smiles.

[ ] Let her in.
[ ] Tell her not to be concerned.
[ ] Tell Rin to Neuralizer her.
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>>21847357
>[ ] Let her in.
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>>21847357
>[x] Let her in.
This gonna be good.
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>>21847357
>[ ] Let her in.
We are NOT having Rin flashy-thing this poor woman again. She's captain of the archery club, the last thing she needs is us flashing away all her archery skills. Also, I don't think Sakura would want us too.
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>>21847357
[x] Let her in.
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>>21847357
Does she know where we live? Because after an exploding chair happening, and us KNOWING there's a shapeshifter running about, I'm a bit suspicious.
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>>21847313
:3

>>21847357
HNNNNNNNG

SOMEONE in this universe recognizes that Shirou can't always save himself.

I think we'd better [X] Let her in, since having her stand holding the groceries is bad manners
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>>21847357
[x] Let her in.
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>>21847357
...I'll leave this to those who want to handle the Ayako route.
Just keep in mind that finding Saber and Rin without explaining ahead of time might make things more difficult.
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>>21847402
Anyhow, I'm off. Have a good thread-thing, now!
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>>21847357

Well, Rin's reaction is going to be interesting.

Ayako's too, for that matter.

>[ ] Let her in.
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>>21847357
>[ ] Let her in.
Which route are we shooting for anyways?
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>>21847408
This Shirou's no fool. He can talk his way out of this, right?
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>>21847357
[X] Let her in.

Haha, time to troll the hell out of Rin for daring to make fun of our incredible exploding chair!
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>>21847379
>>21847381
>>21847382
>>21847400
>>21847402
>>21847405
...
With that unanimous "let her in" I don't think anything I said would have made much of a difference.
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>>21847439
The "everyone lives" route
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>>21847452
This. Romance is secondary to saving our friends.
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>>21847439
Composite Harem/Rin's Harem/Justice League route would be the best way to describe it.
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>>21847452
I like the sound of that.
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I say we show Ayako our "special sword", if you catch my drift.

Maybe see if can shine it up for us, know what I'm saying?
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>>21847522
You mean Excalibur? But we haven't even projected that! And she can't do anything to help with that without magic circuits!
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After only a moment's hesitation, I let her in.

"I'm surprised you remember where I live. you've only been here once."

"Hey!" she says in mock anger. "My memory isn't that bad. They don't let you head up a club with out a good record."

She immediately gets acquainted with my kitchen, much to my irritation.

Given Saber and Rin's continued absence, I can only assume that they're still repairing the damage from the exploding chair incident.

[ ] Talk to Ayako about my other 'guests'.
[ ] Talk to Rin and Saber about Ayako.
[ ] Talk to Ayako about how she REALLY doesn't have to do this.
[ ] (Other).
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>>21847567
>[ ] Talk to Ayako about how she REALLY doesn't have to do this.
We're not gonna just slam the door on her, and we don't wanna falshy-thing her, but that doesn't mean it's safe for her to be here.
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>>21847522
>[ ] Talk to Ayako about my other 'guests'.
Might as well let her know now.
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>>21847567
>[ ] Talk to Ayako about my other 'guests'.
Don't want her to be surprised.

Rin, however, deserves no such courtesy if she can't even appreciate how awesome exploding chairs are.
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>>21847567
>[ ] Talk to Ayako about my other 'guests'.
If you guys want the Ayako route, it's best she knows this first.
And then pray to god/True Ancestors/The root that saber and Rin don't walk out talking about magecraft or the grail.
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>>21847567
>[x] Talk to Ayako about my other 'guests'.
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>>21847596
I thought we were going to go for no particular girl in question?

Because I'd be pushing for the Saber route if that were the case.
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>>21847567
[x] Talk to Rin and Saber about Ayako.
"Rin! You've got to help me! There's a cute girl in my kitchen, and she's COOKING. You know I can't deal with this on my own.
Oh and we should probably straighten out our cover story."
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>>21847596
>And then pray to god/True Ancestors/The root that saber and Rin don't walk out talking about magecraft or the grail.
But that could be pretty funny.
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>>21847567
>[X] Talk to Ayako about my other 'guests'.
This can only end well.
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>>21847619
That's the plan, but I remember a few threads back a few people aiming solely for Ayako.
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>>21847567
Talk to Ayako about cooking and gently assert our dominance over OUR kitchen. Nobody takes our kitchen without and extremely polite fight where we INSIST that we are the host and it'd be rude to let a guest cook.
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>>21847655
That was early on, before we agreed to go for Unlimited Live Works.
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>>21847685
This. If we keep everyone alive, good for us.

Odds are high that we might score a Harem ending if we do that, and even if we don't we're almost certainly going to get at least one girl.
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>>21847700
>Thinking about harems

While I'm not turned off by romance, this is a rare chance to screw with the typical routes given to us by Nasu and scream FUCK YOU in the face of causality. We're armed with GAR and planning, screw da roolz
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By the way, we need to dig through Kiritsugu's storage crate for an ammo can labeled
"120 Cartridges
CAL .50 MK211 Mod 0
BULK"
It may be somewhat capable of slowing a Servant, slightly.
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>>21847751
Like we aren't doing that to the best of our ability already? Shit, we're going to have 5 Servants all hanging out in the Church tonight, six if Ilya brings Berserker, and unless someone pulls a dick move none of them are going to be fighting. I'm surprised none of our supporting characters have spoken up about how mind-blowingly stupid the whole thing is when the Grail War is still on.
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>>21847824
>In b4 Gilgamesh kills most of the participants at once in a spectacular dead end.
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>>21847862
wait, since gil got made flesh and blood after that whole thing with the black pudding, doesn't that mean you don't need to be a servant to kill him?
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>>21847824
>I'm surprised none of our supporting characters have spoken up about how mind-blowingly stupid the whole thing is when the Grail War is still on.

Way to make the waveform collapse, broski!
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>>21847893
That's pretty explicitly confirmed in the actual visual novel. Shirou just about damn near kills Gil in one strike. Cuts his right arm off, at least.
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>>21847893
Shirou killed him in UBW.
The "Humans cannot kill Servants" thing, no matter how many times it was stressed to be an impossible to break rule in the VN... is actually more of a vague guideline in powerlevels.
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>>21847935
Correction: was about to kill him. I keep forgetting that Archer/the grail got the actual final blow.
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>>21847935
See in the Nasuverse, the rules are more what you'd call "guidelines".
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>>21847935
>The "Humans cannot kill Servants" thing...
I dunno why people took that literally. That was foreshadowing and narrative buildup for Shirou to break that exact rule. In fact, every single "rule" is proven to be breakable, very easily, in the Heaven's Feel route. The whole route is about breaking all the rules of the Grail War.
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>>21847958
Parley?
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>>21847893
Yes, although >>21847916 is a bad example because non-Servants are perfectly capable of killing Servants if they have access to weapons that can harm spiritual creatures (like Shirou's UBW).

But in theory, yeah, if they managed to somehow catch Gil off guard anybody with a big enough boomstick could down him. Of course that is MUCH harder in practice.
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"So, uh... Ayako."

"Yes?" She ask, laying ingredients on the counter.

"I suppose I might as well tell you so it doesn't come as a shock later, but I have guest already staying over."

"Really?" She asks surprised. "So how many people should I be cooking for then?"

"Uh... five." I say, thinking about it. "Me, you, Saber, Tosaka and Fuji-nee. Assuming she stops in for dinner like usual."

"Oh yeah." She says, chopping up vegetables. "... wait, Tosaka Rin? She's staying here?"

".... Yeah. She was there when I had my seizure a few days ago. Apparently she somehow felt guilty about it and insisted on staying here until we knew what caused it."

"... I see. And how come you never mentioned this before?"

"We don't talk much?" I say with a shrug. "Besides, the last thing I want is for someone to start spreading rumors about Rin when she did something nice for me."

"Are you calling me a gossip?" She asks indignantly.

"Well, no. If I didn't think you could keep a secret I wouldn't have let you in. But you never know who might over-hear."

"Alright. So who's Saber then?"

"Friend of my Father's. Or something. He met her while traveling abroad, so she came her looking for help."

"And what, he's out of town?"

"He's uh...." I shuffle my feet slightly. "He passed on a few years ago."

"Oh..." Ayako responds, pausing mid chop. "I'm sorry for bringing it up then." She says with a pained wince. "So maybe you inherited something from him?"
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>>21847993

"Not likely." I answer. "I'm adopted, so unless he had some sort of communicable disease, which I kinda doubt."

"Wait, you were adopted?" She asks surprised.

"Huh?" I respond startled. "Yeah, after that big fire I was adopted by Kiritsugu into the Emiya family."

"You were... after the fire...." She says, slightly distant. "Wow, I'm on a freaking roll then aren't I? We should probably stop talking before I start dragging up more painful memories."

"No, it's alright." I respond with a smile. "I'd hate to see you get so upset over something that happened to me a long time ago."

She sets the knife down and gives me some sort of weird squinty-glare. "Alright, now I'm just not sure if you're crazy or just suicidally selfless. You're surprised that I feel bad that I didn't know about one of my friends losing everything TWICE?"

"Uh.... yes?" I respond with a slight wince and a defensive gesture. "I'm not really worth getting that worked up over. I mean yeah, terrible things. But it's not like it happened all yesterday. It's been YEARS since any of that happened."

"Uh huh. And is anything happening right now?"

Thankfully, I don't have to answer that question as Rin and Saber enter the room. "So Shirou, who was at the door?"

"Just me." Ayako says from her position behind the counter. "Would someone mind talking sense into this fool while I cook?"

They both give me a questioning look.
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>>21847980
Parley? Damn to the depths whatever muttonhead thought up "parley"!
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>>21847996

[ ] Explain the situation to them.
[ ] Introduce Ayako and Saber.
[ ] Get some fresh air while the girls talk.
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>>21847966
Exactly. Like I said, it was a guideline at most.
>no sign of Ac-guy
I'm going to grab something to eat quickly. That will inevitably cause him to appear and continue this quest before I can get back.
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>>21848003
Going out for fresh air is a terrible idea, because this gives time for things to spiral out of control while we're not there. Which is why I'm voting for it.
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>>21848003
>[x] Explain the situation to them.

>>21848004
Are you a wizard?
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>>21847999
[x] Introduce Ayako and Saber.
>>21848004
NO FOOD FOR YOU
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>>21848003
[X] Explain the situation to them.

And take control of the Kitchen, nobody takes our kitchen.
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>>21848003
>[X] Get some fresh air while the girls talk.
Bow out for this one. Get some air.
We'll probably see something interesting if we do head outside
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>>21848003
>[X] Introduce Ayako and Saber
Might as well let the two of them get to know each other.
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>>21848003
[x] Introduce Ayako and Saber
It's only the polite thing to do, and we're a gentleman.
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>>21848003
>[ ] Introduce Ayako and Saber.
Poker face time.
Nothing strange about this situation at all.
Move along citizen, nothing to see here.
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>>21848003
>[ ] Get some fresh air while the girls talk.

This will produce the most hilarious results
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>>21847916
>>21847935
>>21847966
>>etc.
>>etc.
yeah. . .i've seen f/z, and other then that, the only info i have about the grail war is what i can discern from /tg/ /a/ and /jp/
sorry about that.
sage for blogging
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>>21847999
>>21848003
>[ ] Introduce Ayako and Saber.
We must be an elegant host. And hope Saber doesn't get a crush on Ayako.
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>>21848055
>And hope Saber doesn't get a crush on Ayako.
Why would we NOT want that to happen? Are you gay or something?
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>>21848055
>We must be an elegant host. And hope Saber doesn't get a crush on Ayako.
You mispelled 'does'.
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>>21848051
Mmm, yeah, F/Z is a prequel, so it assumes you'd know about a lot of world-building done in the F/SN VN beforehand. Kind of a problem, given that the F/SN anime was a broken pile of tripe when it came to continuity.
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>>21848055
Relax. She's our Servant, odds of that happening are slim.

If anything, she'll develop a crush on US if we act too kindly to her.
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>>21848068
Someone actually went into F/SN from F/Z without knowing who the Saber class servant of F/SN was going to be.

He was somehow in actual shock.
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>>21848048
>>21848031
>>21848022
Do the least logical thing once in a while. It's given as an option for a reason.
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>>21848064
>>21848066
One word: Competition.
On the one hand: KING MOTHERFUCKING ARTHUR, and a hot blonde to boot.
On the other hand: Short, kinda nerdy Japanese guy who's way too nice for his own good.
Which would YOU pick?
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>>21848104
Seriously, we're trying to have some fun with this. Even if we end up on a bad end, it'll be funny, and then if we don't get ourselves killed, it just means we get more hilarity.
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>>21848106
A nerdy guy wouldn't be full of pride and vanity, most kings are.
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>>21848104

>logic

Haha, you're a funny guy
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>>21848129
Exactly. We're not really Shiro unless we're doing something dumb.
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>>21848068
I've got f/sn torrented, and it's just sitting there downloaded, and translated, and I was stupid enough to think that i should do things in chronological order.
captcha: incredibly unsuccessful
how does it know.
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>>21848106
>Ayako
>nerdy

I am confused. I thought she was a school idol

I pick both for a threesome
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>>21848138
>pride and vanity
Saber's got both in spades. Well, the vanity aspect is a bit more subtle than the pride, but it's there.
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"Right then." I say. "Ayako, this is Saber, the one I mentioned. Saber, this is Ayako. She's a friend of mine and Tosaka from school."

"Ah." Saber says looking back and forth. "A pleasure to meet you." She greets with a polite bow.

"A pleasure meeting you as well, Saber." She says with a small bow, giving her a curious look. "Have... have we met?"

"... I do not believe so." Saber says, confused. "I have been in town for a few days though. Perhaps you merely noticed me? There can't be than many blond foreigners running around."

".... Maybe." Ayako says, unconvinced. she then shakes her head and gets back to cooking.

"So Ayako," Rin asks. "What did you mean about 'talking sense' into Shirou?"

>What do?
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>>21848164

Sneak out the back while they're distracted. Gogogo~
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>>21848164
>"So Ayako," Rin asks. "What did you mean about 'talking sense' into Shirou?"

Shit, we're about to get heavy in here.

We stay silent and wait for Rin to react to whatever Ayako says.
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>>21848164
>what do?

What else? Stand there with a blank look as if you don't understand the problem
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>>21848164
Outside for air! If you hide, maybe they'll forget you exist.
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>>21848164
>[ ] Get some fresh air while the girls talk.

We go back to this option.
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>>21848164
Meet the firing squad without fear. Also attempt to regain control of our kitchen.
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>>21848106
You sir should be ashamed. You would get in the way of true love, and for what? So Shirou can stick his dick in Ayako? What sort of hero would we be if we prevented her from attaining true happiness just to satisfy our libido?

Seriously, do you even Forbidden Love?
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>>21848161
Shirou is the "short slightly nerdy" one. He was saying we didn't want to have to compete with Saber to get some of dat sweet, sweet Mitsuzuri action because no way in hell would anyone pick Shirou over KING ARTHUR.
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>>21848164
"You know, the usual. The martyr complex I have, sacrificing myself for others, being too kind for my own good, letting half a dozen people crash at my house, same old same old."

Regain control of the kitchen.
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>>21848164
Oh SHIT. Ayako's mind-wipe isn't taking all that well.

And now I can just SEE Rin, wearing a catty grin as she asks about talking sense into Shirou.

Thing is, this is pretty deep. We could be in for some MAJOR character development, here.

I kind of want to say we [X]Stay, watch this unfold, and ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of our kitchen
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>>21848164
MAN ALL BATTLESTATIONS
And by that I mean get back in the kitchen, Shirou.
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>>21848164
>What do?
The Kitchen. ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
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>>21848004
>>21847993
Fucking called it.
Meanwhile, This>>21848228
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>>21848217
I still go with the threesome option. Saber may be noble and heroic and what-have-you, but never forget, SHirou looks like this when the shirt comes off.
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>>21848024
Nope. Murphy lives in my house and this is the kind of petty shit he does.
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>>21848164
Perfect, the conversation leaves the path to the kitchen wide open.

Justasplanned.gif.jpeg.png.html
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>>21848265

Shirou also ends up with a massively out-of-proportion arm in HF.

Cue endless masturbation jokes.
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>>21848217
Shirou isn't "short and nerdy" as "diligent and naive to a fault".
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>>21848290
THIS IS HIS FAPPING ARM!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqCsqSqr1Jg
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>>21848306
He is short (167 cm), and he spends all his time either helping the student council, at work, or at home studying. The facts that the subject of his nerdiness is magic and that he's also a badass don't change that he's kinda nerdy.
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>>21848311
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqCsqSqr1Jg
DAT CROW'S CLAW MIX

So metal, this is the only pic I have which is remotely appropriate
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>>21848357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e6Rog9FK9w
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>>21848373
F/Z OIST, meet the F/Z anime's OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs7qCeYkUk8
And while we're waiting, why not add some Remiyax?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxc7QLLxohE
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Off topic, but I hope that since the Vita version of F/SN Realta Nua has openings done by a studio that isn't Deen, we'll get a new F/SN anime
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>>21848411
Let's get some class up in this bitch. Surely it can't be a party without a lady's man to magically charm away your fiancee without even meaning to. Isn't that right, Fionn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3bX_zwcDm8
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>>21848373
>>21848411
>>21848476

You guys are awesome. I'm loving listening to this.

>>21848453
My hope is for a Heaven's Feel series of OVAs. The Fate franchise is a profitable cash-cow, so why not adapt the one route that hasn't been adapted yet?
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>>21848502
I will only take HF OVAs if they are done by ufotable or Shaft. Deen can burn in hell.
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>>21848522

Could be worse

Could be Gainax
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>>21848522
>ufotable
Want. With how well they did Kara no Kyoukai, I fucking want them to do a Tsukihime anime. I mean it never did get one, and it deserves one.
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>>21848502
Have more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YsIXMMmZX8
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>>21848522
I thought Ufotable was a given with how they did Realta Nua's OPs and Kara no Kyoukai.
Last I heard though, DEEN has all the rights to animating the fate anime. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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>>21848531
Fair point. But really, I want a studio with Akio Watanabe as the head of animation to do it. That man is a miracle worker as far as I am concerned.
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>>21848535
Hear, hear! Tsukihime is an unlikely prospect, as (1) the IP is almost a decade old now and (2) Fate has proven to be far more profitable.

Still, I'd love to see a Tsukihime anime worth watching. Dear God, those fight scenes from the manga, if animated, would be GLORIOUS

>>21848544
I love you, Anon
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>>21848575
Just to let you know, most of the EMIYA remixes are in Remiyax.
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>>21848357
>>21848373
>>21848411
>>21848476
>>21848502
>>21848544
>Nobody posts Nowhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0neKiun8HQ8
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I stand there, and watch the situation unfold. I'll have to wait for my opportunity.

"He acted all surprised that I would show concern for him when he's apparently sick." She says, looking at Rin.

"Well, I'm surprised you showed up to cook as well." Rin responds, "I mean, I know the two of you knew each other from archery, but-"

"Not that. I mean like he was surprised that I cared. At all. Not in that -I- didn't care, but in that how ANYONE could care."

Rin blinks and gives me a confused glance before turning back to Ayako. "What? Even if you two hated each other it'd be worth at least a passing check if someone was sick."

"Yeah, I thought the same thing." She says. "Apparently he saved me from some kind of unspeakable fate the other day. While he's out sick. And then he cooks dinner for my sick mother since I'm indisposed."

"Rather selfless." Rin comments, leaning on the counter like she's learning new gossip.

Ayako steps out of the Kitchen and leans against the wall next to Rin. Ah tunnel vision, the one issue Archery will never uncover. I slip past them and continue chopping vegetables while Ayako continues her tirade. "Yeah, so I thanked him for it. And I find out he's cooking himself dinner. After all the shit he does for everyone, he doesn't even get someone else to do the cooking THE DAY AFTER he has a seizure."
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>>21848597

"He CAN be rather stubborn." Saber comments with a sigh. I look at the other ingredients. Some sort of Teriyaki Chicken stir-fry? I begin heating a pan.

"I know, right?" Ayako comments. "I mean, he's a nice guy. He's not adverse to hard work. He does what he can, and I guess I can respect self reliance. But come on, the man can let someone else in his kitchen on occasion." She hesitates, as though realizing I'm still in the room. "Oh, Shirou, I mean-"

"No, don't mind me. continue your conversation." I say with a calm wave while slicing the chicken.

"Oh, well it was rude of me to just carry on-"

"It's fine. I don't see why you feel the need to get all worked up, but I appreciate the concern."

Ayako apologizes again, and the three of them move to the table to continue the conversation.

For about three seconds. "HEY!" Ayako yells, storming back into the kitchen. "I'm cooking. You, go sit."

I'm gently, but firmly removed from the kitchen and put at the table with a cup of tea.

"Seriously?" Rin asks, amused. "Someone comes and cooks for you out of concern and you try and steal the kitchen back?"

"I would've gotten away with it too, if she was just a LITTLE bit more distractable." I mumble into my tea.
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>>21848602

Rin and Saber share an amused look, before suddenly stopping as though having the same thought. "... Ayako was right, wasn't she?" Rin asks nobody in particular while she lets out a sigh.

[ ] Go for a walk.
[ ] Tell Rin that her mind-control isn't working.
[ ] Mention to Rin that you've completely forgotten about school-work.
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>>21848609
>[ ] Tell Rin that her mind-control isn't working.
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>>21848609
"I like cooking, I like it being my kitchen.

But yeah, she's pretty much right. I've got issues, my issues have issues, thankfully my problems are rather constructive and make the lives of the people around me better, so I'm alright with them."
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>>21848609
[ ] Tell Rin that her mind-control isn't working.
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>>21848609
>[x] Tell Rin that her mind-control isn't working.
Your mind controlling seems to be on the fritz. Might want to get that checked out.
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>>21848609
[x] Tell Rin that her mind-control isn't working.
We can do make-up lessons. Worst case scenario, we repeat the year.
Considering the Grail War's worst case scenario is EVERYBODY DIES FOREVER THE END, I think we know which is the more important.
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>>21848609
>[X] Go for a walk.
Now's time for our air, folks!

We let them stew on the Shirou Is Abnormal thought for a bit, while we get a change of scenery.

First our chairs explode, now someone is stealing out kitchen. We need a break
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>>21848602
> [x] Write in: It's my kitchen
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>>21848575
I think one of Tsukihime's somewhat failings is that it has to overcome the challenge of combining a gritty dark world with a female-lead who is completely unrelatable. Fate doesn't really waste much time with the downtime though the environment was similar - it was all action all the time. Tsukihime during the downtime didn't do that great a job of developing the bonds between the characters when it set out with that as a goal and splitting the focus probably drove people away. Fate just cut that crap out and just went full bore with the plot letting the dojins and other fan-material fill in the personal relationships.

Like, really, the only reason why I love Tsukihime (and Fate) so much is because there's so much adorable goofy shit from the fans accompanying it.
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>>21848609
>[ ] Go for a walk.
We've lost the Kitchen War. Time for a strategic retreat while we ready a counterattack.
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>>21848652
One. Dating within the team always leads to disaster.
Two. You're the King of Knights, ruler of the Britons. I'm a Japanese kid with issues. LOTS of issues.
And three. If my enemies knew I had someone special, they wouldn't rest until they'd gotten to me through her.
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>>21848652
Shirou doesn't think he has any issues though
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>>21848602

A walk! Rin's a sharp girl, she probably noticed Ayako's mental stutter upon meeting Saber.
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>>21848660
Assuming we all make it through this, we could always have Rin smuggle us into the Clock Tower for wizarding when this is all over.
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>>21848690
Shirou isn't Batman and Arturia is cooler than Wonder Woman.
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>>21848609
>[ ] Go for a walk.

Whats the worst that could happen? Besides Servant/Gilgamesh/Shadowman/Zouken/Dead Apostle/Arcueid/Shiki ambush?
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>>21848719
>Shirou isn't Batman
Not yet anyway...
Actually, he'd probably be more like Kamen Rider, but still...
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>>21848609
>[ ] Tell Rin that her mind-control isn't working.
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>>21848609

>[ ] Go for a walk.

I don't know why, but when I read that sentence, I hear Alucard's voice.
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>>21848609
I'll jump in on the walk choice
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>What's winning, walk?

>Typing...
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>>21848755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWynPcFRzWU&t=10m14s
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>>21848771
You can just segue from "mind control" to a walk outside if you can't decide which is more requested.
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>>21848771
Mind control actually, five to six with walk.
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>>21848771
by one vote.
Who's going to be the ass that spams "tell rin"?
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>>21848595
I'd start to argue that the music didn't fit the game's theme so much, but I don't want to be too much of a dick.

besides, THIS song brings back much better memories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBwP_9xGzU0

Suppress Roa in my ass, Shiki!

>>21848681
While I'm rather fond of the personal relationships angle of Tsukihime, I can see your point. I think the biggest problem I had with Tsukihime is that most of the routes were re-treads of stuff we already knew.

I rather liked Ciel as a character (Someone being able to save someone they care about from committing the atrocities they once did by killing them is pretty heavy stuff), but her route was a shitty retread of Arcueid's. Same with Hisui's route: it mostly centered on another heroine's machinations entirely, and Hisui's affections are only auxiliary to the plot.

Personally, if-and-when we get a Tsukihime redo, the game should have each of its routes focus more heavily on a single them, revealing more of the world each time.

(Arcueid = learning about the Moonlit World, Ciel = learning about the Reincarnation stuff, Sacchin = accepting our monstrous nature, Akiha = we have another sibling, Hisui = learning to face a horrible past, Kohaku = learning to move on from the past)

The original game tried that, but got too mneandering. perhaps a tweak-up of the scenario a bit?
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>>21848810
Wait shit, did I miscount?
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>>21848821
Before AC-guy asked. I had to check myself after your post.

Mind:
>>21848651
>>21848654
>>21848655
>>21848660
>>21848748

Walk:
>>21848664
>>21848687
>>21848696
>>21848735
>>21848755
>>21848761
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>>21848817
>I'd start to argue that the music didn't fit the game's theme so much
Oh it doesn't. But it's guitar riffs are bitchin' so your argument is invalid.
Mmmmmmm, Senpai...
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>>21848821
Yeah. Walk is winning 6 to 5. A few people just didn't format their votes very well.
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>>21848817
>Sacchin route
You poor hopeful fool. You'll become jaded yet.
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>>21848841
Dude, Sacchin route is confirmed for the remake. Which IS happening.
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>>21848848

We can only hope

;_;
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>>21848848
>Cutting out glorious Akiha remake.
You son of a bitch, I want to obsess over her sour expression and black headband.
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>>21848841
I'm indifferent to a Sacchin route, but - IF a remake gets made - folks have clamored long enough , so it's not unreasonable to ask for it.

My guess is the rute would deal with Shiki trying to redeem/save her. She was attracted to him in part because of his inability to be a killer, so she became more of a monster to become like him. Shiki will have to resist his Nanaya impulses and try to find a way to ground himself with ordinary humanity
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>>21848902
Christ, it cannot be healthy to bleed that much during your period.
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>>21848920
Well, it's not like she can die anyhow.
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>>21848865
Now, now. There's plenty of fanart to fap to for all of you.
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>>21848902
Seeing that picture... Well I sort of get why Curryshit hates that bastard Roa. What terrible and humiliating things he did with her body...

Aaand had her eat everyone she loved.
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>>21848931
Okay, I knew about the stupid black miniskirt, but are they really giving Arcueid silver cowboy boots, too? How dumb is this going to get?
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>>21848949
Well given that it's still the Nasuverse...
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>>21848949

Four words:

Fate/Extra

Ass window
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>>21848959
Jesus fucking Christ. I hate nips and their shitty fashion sense. Arcueid was perfectly fine the way she was.
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*looks around for AC-Guy*
Well, let's see if I can do this twice. I'm off for a sec, watch as he appears the moment I leave. Again.
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>>21849005
It doesn't work if you do it on purpose, you fool!
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>>21848993
Seconding.
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>>21848993
Nasu's character design for Tsukihime was great because it didn't need fifty thousand belts
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>>21848932
Roa certainly pissed me off at him for That Scene in Ciel's route, in the Tea Room

That being said, he was a wonderful composer who took exellent care of his hair

>>21849005
THIS ROUTER IS AN EYESORE
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"Right about what, exactly?"

"About the whole selflessness thing." Rin responds, giving me a critical look. Saber seems equally concerned. "I mean, it's fine to be nice and everything... but you can't let that sort of kindness destroy you."

"What do you mean?"

"Shirou, you need to show more concern for yourself." Saber says. "It's something I didn't want to bother you with, but-" She hesitates, not quite meeting my eyes. "There's been some memory bleed-through while we slept. Is it really healthy for you to fixate on-"

"This is not now, nor will it ever be, an appropriate topic." I respond, while Rin shoots Saber a concerned glance. She apparently comes to a decision as she approaches from a different angle.

"Shirou, I understand your desire to help people. It's actually rather noble. But... You can't worry about everyone else and not yourself." She says. "What kind of a person would let themselves be destroyed to benefit an ungrateful world?"

She doesn't notice Saber wince at her question. I merely don't care. "Alright, no. That doesn't make any sense. I can't care only about my friends and not about me, I would have to care about myself on some level simply because THEY cared." I say, looking at her while leaning in slightly. "And between you two, Taiga, Ayako, and Issei I'm frankly getting sick of people insinuating that I have some sort of mental issues just because I want people to be happy."

Rin leans back slightly as though struck. "Woah, Shirou. Calm down.
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>>21849042

"I am calm." I respond, though I'm not entirely sure it's true. I keep my voice level as I continue. "I just can't understand why people keep insisting on dragging up things that don't matter and insisting something's wrong. Nothing's wrong. We have bigger problems than the fact that I'm apparently too friendly for my own good."

"Shirou..." Saber says with a wince, looking over at Rin. "People are only concerned because they care. Come on, sit down and let's talk about this."

I didn't realize I stood up. "No. I think I'm going to go for a walk, and get some fresh air." I don't wait for a response. I hear Ayako say something, but I don't listen. I just leave.

One foot in front of the other, I go down the street. I can't see or hear anything around me, just smoke and memories of death.

I find myself in the park. Apparently I crossed the bridge at some point. I'm glad there's nobody near me as I puke into one of the bushes.

It's not an issue.

I'M not an issue. Why do people keep bringing it up?

I take a seat on a bench nearby, slumping back and staring into the distance. A man in a black coat sits next to me. "Penny for your thoughts, stranger?"

[ ] Just wanted some fresh air.
[ ] Having Girl problems.
[ ] Overbearing friends.
[ ] Just another day in the life.
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>>21849014
>>21849042

Oh, looks like I'm wrong. Forgive me, I suck dicks, etc.
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>>21848949
It's fanart, based on a silhouette. Boots are not confirmed.
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>>21849046
>Girl problems
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>>21849040
I like how utterly batshit insane he drives Arc in Actress Again simply by ignoring her.

>>21848681
I argue that you're just comparing FSN and Tsuki to eachother and lamenting the differences. The two VNs are two different genres all together. Tsuki was thriller-horror with low action more pondering while Fate is adventure-fantasy that is 80% FIGHT 15% sempai 5% delicious bisexual sex/3dcg dragon magic.
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>>21849046
[x] Having Girl problems.
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>>21849046
Just another day in the life. What brings you here? Not many people tend to come to this park.
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>>21849046
[X] Having Girl problems.

"Women."
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>>21848949
COuld be worse. She could be wearing a flag on her head IN ohfuckican'trememberwherearcueidwasborndoesthevnevereventellusi'msoconfused!
>>21849033
The character designs are actually by Takeuchi Takashi, an old friend of Nasu's and one of the other founders of Type-Moon.
>>21849046
>[ ] Having Girl problems.
>black coat
OH SHIT IS IT NRVNQSR?!
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>>21849087
So I WASN'T the only one thinking it could have been him.
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>>21849087
>>21849103
Dammnit guys how can I stop jumping to conclusions when everyone else is doing it too?
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>>21849046
>[X] Having Girl problems.

>>21849087
Oh shit. Give him an internet connection, it's LOLCAT time.

Seriously, though, NRVNQSR is acqually a pretty cool guy. His tips in Kagetsu Tohya actually helped me solve Kohaku's damned riddle thing.

Plus, he's an utter gent to Kohaku in that hilarious/adorable doujin where the two fall in love
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>>21849014
>>21849042
>>21849053
You are forgiven. It only worked because I actually had to leave the room for a few minutes. Doubt I can pull it off a third time.
>>21849046
>[ ] Overbearing friends.
>>21849087
Dammit Shiki, you were supposed to kill him! ...Again! Night of Wallachia/Dust of Osiris isn't in Fuyuki in Fate/Stay Again... right? ...Right...?
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>>21849046
>[ ] Having Girl problems.

>NRVNQSR?!
HIGHLY doubtful, considering Kirei mentioned that he got his ass dead not too long ago (near the beginning of the recent landslide of Tsukihime references)
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>>21849054
Still would be better if they kept the original character designs, short skirts are not Arceuid at all.
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>>21849177
>got his ass dead
Yeah, Shiki fucking killed the shit out of him a few years prior to F/SN.
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>>21849046
>[ ] Having Girl problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoM5fLITfk
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>>21849177
Quiet you, we're too busy panicking to accept logical explanations to why we shouldn't panic!
...Tatari?
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>>21849198
>Warachia
Oh boy things are going to get nasty.
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>>21849046
I like this development, I must say. Shirou, having PTSD of the fire? DELICIOUS. Him being in denial about having an unhealthy fixation on saving people? DOUBLE DELICIOUS.

Call me a melodramatist, but I love the everloving fuck out of this kind of angst. Not whining, not self-piteous. Just pure, unadulterated trauma.

Urobuchi was good to me

>>21849177
I _could_ mention that one doujin where Roa uses the Grail to bring in a parallel universe version of Nero, but that way leads to powerlevels and buttmad.

$5 says its an OC. An OC, Mikiya from KnK or Archer in Dad's coat
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>>21849190
I thought Tsuki and Fate happened within a year of each other? Despite the fact that the given dates make that physically impossible.
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>>21849177
True.
Night of Wallachia?!
Wait, that means Roast Beef might be running around.
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>>21849212
I thought Tsukihime occured at the same time or shortly after Kara no Kyoukai, which was in '98-'99.
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>>21849211
>Urobuchi
I have a fanfic for you in that case. Ever heard of Ol'Velsper?

>>21849219
Early 2000s IIRC.
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>>21849219

Thought Kara no Kyoukai wasn't really considered part of the Nasuverse canon
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>>21849268
Pffffffthahahah! I Put On My Robe And Wizard Hat!
Too bad Apostles in Leather Pants hasn't been updated in a year.
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OK guys, no matter how this situation pans out we MUST deal with it ourselves.

If we let a little thing like a Vampire chase us back to the house with out tail between our legs after our little outburst there, the level of I-told-you-so would destroy our soul.
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>>21849297

Nah, we don't let him chase us.

We invite the vampire to dinner.
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>>21849284
It's not. It's basically a separate Nasuverse. Like, the KnKverse IS the Nasuverse in the way the rules work, and several of the characters, but it's an alternate version of said verse.
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>>21849219
pic related, dear sir. I try not to think too hard about Chronology.

>>21849284
It's in a parallel universe. Touko's research or something would be different in the normal Fate/Tsukihime universe.

>>21849268
Tell me more, please.

>>21849309
It's not a proper Nasuverse thread without cooking and hospitality
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>>21849284
It's part of canon, but KnK can't occur in the same universes as Tsukihime.
>>21849309
Nrvnqsr/Tatari is now included in the everybody lives plan?
Wonderful...
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>>21849326

Only dinner since we don't know who he is.
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"Just some Girl problems."

"Ouch." He responds with a chuckle. "Know that feeling well."

"Yeah." I hesitate. "How would you deal with a problem like that?"

"Depends on the girl in question."

"Girls."

"Ah, THAT kind of girl problem." He says. "Well, are they jealous of each other? Or are they even aware?"

"No, they know. Not sure about jealousy, but they all seem concerned that I've apparently developed a martyrdom complex."

"Uh-huh." He says. "And how does that make you feel?"

"I just wish they'd stop worrying about me so much. I mean, I can handle my problems."

"So they're concerned about you being too selfless for your own good, and your first thought is to make them stop worrying about you...." He hesitates, a smile creeping into his voice. "Well, I was wrong. I've never quite managed to have your problems."

"I feel like you're having a laugh at my expense." I say, turning to look at him.

"Oh no, nothing like that." He says with a laugh, the lieing bastard. "Just wondering if it occurred to you if they might have a point about all that, Shirou."

".... No, I don't think so?"

"But you wouldn't, would you?" He says, standing up. As he does so, I get a better look at him. Some sort of bandages on his face, some sort of weird tribal tattoos under his coat. "Man, I'd kill for your problems. But I suppose that's part of what it means to be the designated villain of the story."

".... Do I know you?"
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>>21849362

"We met in passing, about ten years ago." He answers with a smile. "Call me Avenger."

"Avenger?" I feel a spike of pain. My world blurs for an instant. "Who-"

"Oh, so he put a memory block to try and keep you from being too preoccupied with tragedy. Whole mess of good that did for you." He lets out a sigh. "and here I was wondering why you didn't seem surprised during the graveyard event."

"What?"

"Oh right, that hasn't happened to you yet. Don't mind me, just being all non-linear." he shakes his head. "I feel like I need to thank you for this though. I was hoping we'd have a chance to speak before the end." He leans in as though examining something about me. "So that's it then? You've somehow managed to trigger the link he set within Avalon? Meddling god-damned wizard. Oh well, I suppose I can't complain if he's helping me along this much."

[ ] Ask what he means.
[ ] Ask what's going on.
[ ] Run.
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>>21849293
Good man. He IS back though; Eureka updated two weeks ago and he uploaded some Nanoha thing yesterday.

>>21849321
Velsper's a native SpaceBattler best known for his take on the Nasuverse that started with "I Put On My Robe and Wizard Hat", in which Shirou's family name is Urobuchi, his father is Gen, Illya isn't a loli (yes I know), everybody who matters lives and Archer outGARs his original self despite not being the EMIYA we all know and love.

>>21849355
We should still ask him home for a bite. It's only polite. Heh.
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>>21849362
Oh shit.
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>>21849362
>>21849367


>Avenger
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>>21849326
We have NO fucking clue who Black Coat is. For all we know, it's Waver Fucking Velvet here to offer sage advice like "play someAdmirable Tactics, it'll blow off some steam."
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>>21849362
>Some sort of bandages on his face, some sort of weird tribal tattoos under his coat.
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>>21849367
>[ ] Ask what he means.

TELL ME EVERYTHING
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>>21849367
>Ask what he means

It's been a while since we activated operation "I don't get it"
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>>21849382
No, it's ARU ZA EBILS OF ZA WARUDO. WRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYY

>>21849367
"What."
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>>21849367
>[ ] Ask what's going on.
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>>21849367
>[ ] Ask what he means.
Bitch we are SHIROU GODDAMN EMIYA and we are having a BAD DAY.

Now unless "Avenger" is code for "I'm the goddamn Batman", then get talking, because I most certainly do not follow.
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[x] Run

Oh god what the fuck AC-Guy.

What the fuck
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>>21849367
[x] "Explain further."
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>>21849426
>I most certainly do not follow
Not sure if serious, so if I were to introduce myself as "Emiya Shirou", what would your reaction be?
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>>21849367
>Avenger
FFFFFFFFF-- wait, is that really bad? I haven't read the google-translated Hollow Ataraxia, so all my knowledge of him comes from Battle Moon Wars, the semi-trustable type-moon wiki, and the occasional fanfic.
Not picking an option until I fully understand the consequences.
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[X] RUN NIGGA IT'S PERSIAN SATAN
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>>21849426
>Now unless "Avenger" is code for "I'm the goddamn Batman", then get talking, because I most certainly do not follow.

Avenger is also the giant flesh pillar from the end of HF. He's is literally every aspect of evil incarnate in human form.

[x] Start fucking running.
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>>21849453

Basically, he's a shit-tier Servant, but he's the entire reason the Grail is corrupted, and he has a NP that transfers all the damage he's taken to you
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Guys, srsly. We need to get more Ilya points to unlock the
>Summon loli waifu to crush this punk-ass bitch
options.
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>>21849367
Run. Knows about us and refers to himself as a class name? BAD NEWS All the worlds evil level bad news
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>>21849473
>every aspect of evil incarnate in human form.
aka Angry Manjew.
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>>21849367

Looks like some cross-contamination of world lines...

...Rin, did you blow up the clock-tower again?

I swear, if fate and nanoha show up, you have fucked up big time.
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>>21849473
That's not entirely accurate. He's sort of like Jesus. That is, martyred to free people from sin, except he's very much nit happy about it.
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>>21849453
He can also summon demonic dog things. They piss Gil off enough that he uses Enuma Elish.
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[X] Ask who he is.
[X] Ask WHY he has to be the villain -- he seems... resigned to it, as if its not something he *wants* but rather a role he *has* to do.
[X] Ask what wizard.


Not sure if this falls under "ask what's going on" or "ask what he means".
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>>21849480
I knew that much. I know some information on his backstory from the wiki, I know he's all All Evil of the World when he's INSIDE the grail... but what about his personality? The impression that I got from him was that he was pretty laid back and calm as a servant.
Unless I completely misread his personality and he's about to gut us like a fish this very second, I'd say ask him what he means.
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>>21849548
He might be about to gut us like a fish. I'm never really sure with him.
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>>21849538
>he seems resigned to it
Not exactly. He's extremely bitter about it, but he's not much more than a regular human beyond his NP. So he's resigned to being bitter about it.
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>>21849548

He tries to rape Kirei's daughter for laughs. I think that's all you need to know about his personality.
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>So much panic

I swear, its like you're all a bunch of wimpy girly-men. Shirou at this point has ZERO knowledge of the term "Avenger" or why he should be worried about it. Lets not get our panties in a bunch just yet.

>[ ] Ask what he means.
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"What." I ask, trying to sort my thoughts. "What do you mean?"

"Oh nothing you need to be too concerned about." He shrugs. "If I were to speak of a vain attempt at reaching Akasha, would that mean anything to you?"

I don't have an answer for him.

"Oh well. It doesn't really amount to anything anyway." He responds with a sigh. "All that really matters is that you and me are here, right now."

"How is that all that matters with the Grail War?"

"The outcome has long since been determined." He responds. "All will happen as it was meant to, from the beginning. This ends with you either becoming the hero you wanted to be, or me fulfilling my purpose." He smiles. "Thought maybe this time I'll get an ending I can live with."

"What?" I say, trying to keep track of his line of thought.

"Hmmm? Oh, sorry, just thinking out loud." A shadow seems to rise from the ground and wrap around him as he begins to fade. "Just continue about your business. Though from one friend to another, You shouldn't get so angry with your friends for caring. And I will be wanting my gift back before too long."

Before I can ask him what he means, he vanishes. I sit there a few minutes longer, when I hear a voice.

"Shirou? What are you doing out here?"

I turn to see Taiga approaching me. "Oh. Hi. I just uh, wanted to go for a walk, get some fresh air. See if it helped."

"Did it?"

"Not really, no." I answer, looking at where Avenger was just standing.
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>>21849601

".... Well I was on my way to visit Sakura, would you like to come with?"

[ ] Yes.
[ ] No.
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>>21849605
>yes
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>>21849605
>[ ] Yes.
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>>21849605
[X] Yes.
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>>21849605
>[ ] No.

We'll be going later, plus they're probably waiting for us back home
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>>21849605
Not just yet, I'll be seeing her later this evening and I kind of stormed out of the house. I just hope I didn't leave anyone upset.
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>>21849497
Angry MOPYU,

>>21849548
He's got a lot in common with Shirou actually. And he's kind of a dick. Which is something else he has in common with Shirou, a few years down the line.

>>21849601
>implying that it is possible for Shirou and /tg/ to refuse, whatever their feelings about Sakura.
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>>21849572
>>21849574
Ah, well in that case...
>>21849601
too late. Continue.
>>21849605
No, she needs rest. Kirei said that she shouldn't be woken up again.
If we do end up going, make sure Sakura stays asleep until Caster uses Rule Breaker on her.
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>>21849605

[x] "Would you like some dinner first, before we go?"
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[X] Yes.
[X] But be sure to call your house and/or Rin to give people a head's up so they don't panic when Shirou's gone longer than usual.
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>>21849605
>[ ] No.

If only because i think we need to pull Rin aside ASAP and say "A dude named Avenger, something called Akasha, >implications. Any idea what the shit any of that means?"
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>>21849656

Ha. Yes. Bring Taiga back to see the addition the harem.

It's not like Taiga can resist the offer of free food anyways.
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>>21849656
This. A million times this. It also gives us a chance to apologize for losing our cool like that.
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>>21849605
>[ ] No.
Kirei said let her rest. Lets try to divert Taiga to dinner for now, if all goes well Sakura will be well enough to have visitors by this time tomorrow.
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YES:
>>21849619
>>21849629
>>21849630
>>21849637
>>21849660


NO:
>>21849635
>>21849636
>>21849654
>>21849672

Yes leading by one
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>>21849656
Aye, this.
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>>21849656
Changing my vote from Yes to this.
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>>21849656

Hook, line and sinker.
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>>21849605
[x] Yes
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Changing to >>21849656

I'm >>21849629
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>>21849696
Taiga leading now by one.
Either that or its a three way tie
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>>21849656
>>21849688
Agreeing with these suggestions.
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>>21849719
One of the Yes votes changed to Dinner, and one Yes was deleted
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>>21849719
yes:4
no:4
Diner Taiga?:8
>>21849736
and another said yes
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>>21849758

Mmm... Yes I'd dinner taiga if you what i mean.
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>>21849773
You'd let her assfuck you with a shinai?
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>>21849773

I'd eat that pussy, if you catch my drift
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>>21849773
>>21849792
No, I don't.
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>>21849792
But she doesn't have a cat, and it'd rude to eat her pet if she did have one. Shame on you.
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>>21849806
Wait I think I've got it.
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"... Yeah, alright." I respond. "You ever been to the church?"

"No, I haven't." She responds as we walk along. "Usually when my family wants to do anything resembling religious they go to the temple."

"Ah. I should probably warn you then. The Priest is alright, but he comes off as kinda... intense."

"What do you mean?"

"... You'll understand when you meet him." I respond.

We walk along to the Church, and when we arrive Kirei's examining a piece of broken pottery in front of the building. When he spots us approaching, he frowns at me. "And here I just told Rin I haven't seen you today." He sighs, and his eyes slide over to Taiga "And you brought a guest?"

"Yeah. This is Taiga. She's my teacher and a concerned friend." Kirei apparently picks up on the hint that she's uninitiated, and gives her the censored version.

"So you have some kind of specialist friend coming here to help tonight?"

Kirei nods. "Yes. And before you ask, no. You can't be here with her when it happens. We're going to need the Church to be as quiet and calm as possible."

"What, I can't wait out in the pews?"

Kirei apparently does some mental calculations before nodding, before giving me a look that tell me that Taiga's my problem, not his.

Taiga leaves a vase of flowers with Sakura, and we begin to go home.

"So why is Rin calling the church looking for you?" Taiga asks, making conversation.

[ ] Tell her what happened.
[ ] Dodge the topic.
[ ] Ask if she might want to stay home tonight.
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>Before anyone says anything, I was already writing when the vote changed and I wasn't going to stop 2/3 of the way in to type out 'what, no. It's hours until dinner, are you alright?'
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>>21849826

>Dodge, she'll only agree with them.
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>>21849826
>[ ] Tell her what happened.
It's not like we could successfully lie to her anyway.
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>>21849826
[X] Tell her what happened.


She'll understand right? She'll definitely agree with us.
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>>21849826

ALL MY HOPES AND DREAMS, SHA-

>>21849843

Oh ok.

[ ] Tell her what happened.

BUT message Rin, tell her we're on our way back.
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>>21849826
>[ ] Dodge the topic.
Evasive maneuvers. If she allies with them the ladies might tie us up to prevent us from trying to be a hero.
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>>21849826
>[ ] Dodge the topic.
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>>21849826
>[]Tell her what happened, then after Taiga agrees with everyone else, walk off frustrated and message Rin.
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>>21849826
[x] Tell her what happened.
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Well, it's not like she won't find out when we get home. "Rin and I had a little bit of an argument earlier." I respond.

"About what?"

"Apparently they're convinced that I have some sort of martyrdom issues." I answer with a sigh. "She didn't really deserve all of my frustration, but after I've been getting it from everyone else I guess I just lost it a bit."

"So you were out for some fresh air?" She asks, and I nod. "Well, she might be right. A little bit anyway."

"... Yeah, I was afraid you might say that."

"Besides, everyone?" She says concerned. "Who exactly is 'everyone'?"

".... Uh, pretty much everyone actually." I respond. "Issei, Rin, Saber, Ayako.... little bit from Souichirou-sensei...."

"Yeah, my grandfather's fond of a saying he found overseas. If one person calls you an ass, ignore them. If two say it, wonder. If three-"

"Yeah, I think I know how this goes." I say with a sigh. "But I still say you're all wrong."

She chuckles. "Yeah, must be frustrating being the only sane man." We walk in silence for a few moments. "So why are you wearing Kiritsugu's coat, anyway?"

I didn't even realize I put it on. "... Mine was dirty." I answer. "This just happened to be in the closet when I left."
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>>21850031

"Ah." She looks closer. Her voice changes to a bit more concerned. "And the blood-stain?" I hesitate. "No, don't bother. You'll just lie about it." she give me a concerned look, and shakes her head. "I'm going to go home and drop off this school stuff before I head to dinner. See if maybe you can patch things up with Rin before I get there?"

"... Yeah, alright." I answer, giving her a wave. "I'll see you at dinner. don't worry too much about Rin. Worry about where you'll bury me." I joke, thinking about Rin's mood.

Taiga smiles. "Nah, I think you too make too cute a couple." Before I can tell her how wrong she is, she disappears down the road with a mischievous grin on her face.

When I get to my house, I go in and hear the girls talking.

[ ] Listen in.
[ ] Get it over with.
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>>21850039

>[ ] Listen in.

kiniarimasu
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>>21850039

[x] Listen In
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>>21850039
>[ ] Listen in.
Time for TACTICAL ESPIONAGE ACTION!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJg6Duzzf4
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>>21850039
[X] Listen in.

Forewarned is forearmed. Information is key to winning these engagements.
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>>21850039
Make like a pilot and--
>not a pilot. Not in SWQ.

...Hm. WWSD? Shirou would decide that eavesdropping is as rude as interrupting someone's conversation and wait. So [x]Listen in and hope Archer's not around.
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>>21850039
>listen in
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>>21850039
[ ] Listen in.

we can just make up an excuse if we get caught
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>>21850039
[x] Listen in.
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>>21850039

This is doomed to failure.

Saber can tell where we are and Rin can tell if someone is listening in.

[x] Listen in anyways

Because I want to watch Shirou suffer.
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>>21850039
Listen in.
>>21850063
Speaking of Archer, we do know we can't let Caster use Rule Breaker on him like he outright stated at the start, right? Yes, it'll start UBW events and at the end we'll beat him back with determination, but we really should think of another way.
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>>21850039
>eavesdropping on girl talk
NOPE BAD PLAN
[ ] Get it over with
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>>21850039
>[x] Get it over with.
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I hesitate by the door and listen in.

"- don't need to apologize. you didn't know how he was going to react. Or that apparently it was a sore subject." Saber says, trying to comfort someone.

"The fact that he's always dancing around the topic should be a hint." Tosaka returns and then sighs. "God, I'm so stupid sometimes."

"Hey, don't be so hard on yourself." Ayako comments. "Maybe it was a bad topic, but the fact that I've apparently been hitting emotional wounds every time Shirou and I have spoke recently probably can't be helping. Especially since I was just hounding him before you got there."

Rin sighs again. something about it just feels so... defeated. "Yeah. Maybe it was just bad timing. But-" I don't have to see her face to see the downcast expression on it. "It's like he doesn't care what happens to him. If he keeps being so damn selfless, there's only one place a road like that's going to end."

"And you're worried about him." Ayako says. "We all are. I don't know what changed this last week other than saber apparently arriving, but I think we're just now starting to see things he'd rather not let on about. It might be best if we just pretended not to notice some things."

"Like?"

"Well, I don't know. But if he's hiding things it's to try and protect us. If he's stressed enough that his guard's slipping then I don't think distracting him is a good idea." Ayako says. "Besides, we have to do what we can to help."
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>>21850336

"Yeah." Rin says with a sigh. "I do what I can." I hear a slight chuckle. "Last time though I almost lost an heirloom my father left."

"Really?"

"One of a kind pendant. Worth a small fortune, actually." She says with a small laugh. "Little almost heart shaped thing. I managed to recover it, but still...."

"There's something wrong with that boy." Ayako comments. "I'm gonna go check on the rice, see how close to cooked it is. You wanna try looking for him again?"

Saber hesitates, and then sighs. "No, I think he's here. I think I just heard the door open."

I check a drawer in the coat-closet by the door. Sure enough, there's the pendant I found that night when Lancer-

A sharp, hot, throb in my chest.

... Best not to think too hard on it. I sigh and begin to walk into the living room.

[ ] Say hello.
[ ] Apologize.
[ ] Attempt to gloss over the incident.
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>>21850337

>[x] Apologize.

The only right thing to do.
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>>21850337
[X] Apologize.
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>>21850337
[x] Apologize
But let's not do that "I am sorry sorry that I am weak about the subject please pity me" method. Should maybe leave it open for discussion later tonight. One on one with one of the girls, maybe.
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>>21850337
>[ ] Apologize.


Also, lol at our instinctive time-paradox denial.
C'mon Shirou, don't let a little Paradox beat you!
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>>21850337
>Best not to think too hard on it

Bull shit. But for now,
>[ ] Apologize.
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>>21850337
>[ ] Apologize.
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>>21849574
>Implying that's not SOP for eroge

Step it up, sempai.
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>>21850337
>[ ] Say he--
...Why is everyone apologizing? Shirou doesn't think he did anything wrong.
Fine.
>[X] Apologize.
Saber heard us, but she doesn't know when we started listening in. We can just pretend that we only caught the end bit about the pendant.
After Ayako leaves we can mention that we "correct" Rin still have the pendant to Rin.
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>>21850337
[X] Apologise

We know we aren't thinking about ourselves, and we don't think we deserve that much consideration. But it's obvious we need to give it some thought if it's affecting other people.

Being a bit selfish because we're thinking about the others. Or something.
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>>21850383
He doesn't think he's wrong on the self-martyrdom issue. He thinks he overreacted by yelling and storming out.
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>>21850380
It's not really SOP for Type-Moon stuff though. In fact, rapists are pretty consistently portrayed as shit-heels.
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>>21850383
Let me reword that last line in a way that resemples proper grammar.
>After Ayako leaves we can "correct" Rin and mention that we still have the pendant.
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>>21850398
Shiki Tohno?

Also
>[X] It's too late to apologize
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>>21850337
[x] Apologize.
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>>21850398
Except when Shiki told Ciel to get the fuck out of his way toward the end of the Arc route, or else he'd rape her.
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>>21850420
Or when he raped Arc in her route.
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>>21850420
That was a threat coming from an extremely delirious and injured teenager with a burning torrent of emotions in his chest, and there's a woman he knows is invulnerable to physical attacks in his way.

>>21850427
To be fair that was mostly Arc's fault.
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>>21850427
Raped her 'til she liked it, too.
I don't even know how that works.
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>>21850432
>Rape
>The woman's fault

u wot m8?
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>>21850420
>>21850427
>>21850432
>>21850439
>>21850447

Rape, Rape everywhere
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>>21850439

Stockholm syndrome, maybe
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>>21850447
Arc may or may not have accidentally Mystic Eye'd him into doing it. It was ambiguous.
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>>21850447
Did you even read Tsukihime? She borderline enthralled him with her mystic eyes. The fact that he tried to rape her (keyword "tried"; he stopped shortly after shoving her down) was 20% Shiki's fault for being infatuated with Arcueid, and 80% Arcueid's fault for accidentally almost breaking his mind while she was having a hissy fit and tearing apart undead bodies in an alleyway.
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>>21850439
Because Hentai.
That's all the explanation you can really give for that.
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>>21850420
What other threat are you gonna use on the chick who literally cannot die? Dickish? Absolutely, but remember that he was pretty badly injured, and completely out of his head, and this bitch is standing between him and where he needs to go to do what needs to be done.
>>21850439
Actually, that's patially related this really fucking weird cultural conception in Japan that good girls always say no. So yes, in her own route, Ciel is a bad girl. A very bad girl, who ought to be punished. Also the whole "she has Mystic Eyes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jquDIR3HAUY) that let her enthrall people, which she used on him" thing. AND the whole "Shiki vs SHIKI" thing.
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>>21850488
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About the chair thing:
How in the hell would another character be involved in us summoning a chair? I know that the knife's effect that obviously that of the Mystic eyes of death perception, but how in the fuck would Shiki summon a knife IN OUR MIND just to destroy a fucking chair?
I know about the "This Chair" scene but that doesn't mean that he became a god of death for chairs or something. Or did I miss something?
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>>21850524
We're not really sure WHERE AC-Guy is going with this.
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>>21850524
three ones man
three
fucking
ones
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As a side note:
Will we run into the "can Shiki kill servants?" dilemma?
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>>21850530
Only one of those ones applied though, only the first three rolls count. Still, it was a crit fail.
>>21850548
Don't go there.
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>>21850548
Yes.
Nasu has said that yes, he can.
There is no longer an argument here.
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>>21850548
Nasu confirmed in a mail-in question series that yes, Shiki can kill servants. Word of God trumps fan speculation.
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I walk i and calmly have a seat at the table. Everyone looks at me expectantly, and I take a deep breath.

"Alright, first of all I need to apologize to you specifically, Rin." I say looking at her. "It wasn't fair of me to level all of my frustration on you alone, especially since you did very little to contribute to it."

Rin hesitates, and then nods. "I'm sorry I pushed you like that. I didn't know it was such a sore subject for you. I should've been gentler about confronting you."

I sigh. "I still personally fail to see the problem, but given the fact that everyone seems so damn concerned about it, I'll try and think about it." I say, and pause to gauge reactions. Saber lets out a almost disappointed breath, and Rin looks uncomfortable with my response. Ayako looks upset, but unable to properly formulate a response. "Look, I don't mean to sound like I'm dismissing your complaints. The mere fact that everyone seems so concerned about something is a cause to be worried by itself. At the very least I seem to be giving people the wrong impression, so I need to look into that. I just can't promise to 'fix' something when I have no idea if the problem even exists in the first place."
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>>21850572
Thank fuck this was finally settled.
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>>21850578

The three of them collectively trade glances and sigh. It gives off the rather irritating impression that they're just going to drag this up again later.

Apparently having gotten past the issue for the moment, we make small-talk for a while.

Taiga arrives to a settled house, and Ayako's dinner. The news comes and goes, and some vauge concern over the state of town is expressed. Taiga and Ayako make to leave, and Taiga insists that she will ensure that she makes it home safely.

After they leave-

[ ] Talk about Avenger.
[ ] Talk about the Amulet.
[ ] Talk about the meeting tonight.
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>>21850580
>[ ] Talk about the Amulet.
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>>21850580

porque no los tres?
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>[X] Talk about Avenger.

I wish Archer could see this.
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>>21850580
Shit, this is a hard choice.

>[x] Talk about the Amulet
Avenger has yet to prove a serious threat to anyone, and he seems content to let things go as they will. No reason to worry about him just yet. Talking to Rin about the Amulet might shed some light on a few things.
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>>21850580
Mention the amulet and Avenger, but leave further discussion for after the meeting. Talk about that.
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>>21850580
[X] Talk about the Amulet.

Easy stuff first.
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>>21850580
>Avenger, seriously
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>>21850580
So much to discuss so little time--
Actually, what time is it? We don't need to be at the church until midnight.
I'm split between the first two...
>[ ] Talk about Avenger
I'll keep score for this.
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>>21850524
>>21850529

>The chair thing was mostly just a joke since people wanted more Tsukihime stuff.

>Shiki isn't going to be playing an active role in anything, just a cameo or two at most.

>Like when Shirou was first practicing projection, if you guys tried the chair anything other than a natural 20 would result in Shirou wimping out because he feels like it would anger someone he didn't want to fight.

>As for the how he did it- it's a secret
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>>21850580
[x] Talk about Avenger.
Their reactions should be fun.
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Avenger:
>>21850596
>>21850613
>>21850625

Amulet:
>>21850594
>>21850605
>>21850609

Meeting:
>>21850607

Well fuck.
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>>21850580

Looks like its going to be close.
...

>[x] Talk about the Amulet.

This could nudge things towards finding out Archers true identity. The Amulet is sort of the reason why our future self was summoned
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>>21850631
Te secret involves time travel, doesn't it?
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>>21850631
Now this is fucking cocktease.
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:|
Avenger: 4

Amulet: 4

Meeting: 1
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>>21850655

YAY!
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>>21850655
Just to break the tie, I vote amulet
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>>21850651

>It shouldn't be that hard to piece together if you pay attention to everything.

>>21850646

>Only two people in the Fate/Again version of the Nasuverse have anything resembling functional time travel. Neither of them are Shiki.
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>>21850669
Archer and Avenger?
Clearly Shirou should have gotten The Blue instead.
...Wait... did I just say...
>Fearful Legend Invoked
(Wait, wrong quest)
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>>21850655

I vote Avenger
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>>21850701

Where is that guy anyway? Ego or Eco or whatever his trip was
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423 posts and we're on page 5.
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>>21850703
>>21850668
5-5-1.
Really?
>>21850708
Ego, and I have no idea. I read all the threads a few days ago, and Fate/Seattle season 2 just dropped part way.
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>>21850703

The tie was broken for like five minutes, just for you to fuck it up again.
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>>21850701
But these two aren't real time travellers, are they?
They were just summoned from different times but didn't move through time on their own.
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So, Avenger's apparently possessing a vampire based on current intelligence.

How bad is that for us? Is that worse than regular servant form? Since apparently he's powerful enough to magic-bullshit in the middle of the day.
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Fuck it.

The one guy who voted Meeting here.

Change my vote to amulet.
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>>21850728

When one is an active voter in Bizarre Slime threads, one tends to pick up trolling tendencies.
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>>21850719
Hurray! I can go to sleep and not worry about missing anything!
>>21850744
Hurray! No tie!
Avenger: 5
Amulet: 6
Meeting: 0
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>>21850744

>Calling it here.
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>>21850755
Awesome. Amulet next time, ask about avenger if we have time, not say anything about Caster probably gaining Rider if she uses RB on Sakura, Try to stop archer from leaving so he can kill us, try and make chair-bombs in combat... Yeah, I'll shut up now. Good night I'm off to get some sleep, someone archive this if it hasn't been already.
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>>21850791
>try and make chair-bombs in combat
...That's actually a good idea.
If we are ever in danger, we'll just need to summon a chair.
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"So Rin, when I walked in I heard you say something about an amulet?"

"Eh?" She says, mildly surprised. "Yes, but it's not something you need to worry about."

"Oh. I was just going to offer to give it back."

".... give it back?"

"Yeah, I found it next to me when I woke up in the school." I respond. "It's in the closet by the door."

Rin gives me a blank stare. "But it's one of a kind."

".... Yes, I heard you say that, that's why I offered to give it back." I sigh, looking at Rin's confused expression. Walking back to the closet, I grab it out of the drawer I stashed it away in and bring it to her.

when I hand it to her, she doesn't seem grateful. she seems thoroughly confused. "But it's one of a kind...." I hear her mumble as she walks away back to her room.

"Uh, Rin?" She turns to look at me, shocked out of her contemplation.

"Yes?"

"Do you want to talk strategy or something?"

"... No, not right now." She responds. "I need to look into something first."

After having said that, she locks herself in her room. Saber offers to help me train, but I'm not sure I should strain myself too much in case something happens at the Church. No matter what happens, there will be at least five servants there tonight. On the other hand, maybe some last minute training will help....

[ ] Practice projection.
[ ] Spar with Saber.
[ ] Talk with Saber about ____.
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>>21850822
>[ ] Spar with Saber.
Gotta get our mind off everything for a little while. What better way than by getting our ass kicked?
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>Wait, did everyone leave? I was calling the vote, not the thread.
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>>21850822
>Spar with Sabre while practicing Projection.

I can't think of a reason why we can't do both.
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>>21850822
[x] Talk with Saber about Avenger.
He mentioned that link. Why does everyone seem to know about this but us? What the fuck is going onnnnnn?
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>>21850822
[x] Talk with Saber about Avenger.
Just ask her if she's heard of the name before. If she asks where the thought came from, say you heard Kiritsugu mention it once.
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>>21850837
This thread is waaaaay the fuck past the auto-sage limit, so that may have something to do with it.
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>>21850822
[X] Talk with Saber about ____.

Ask if she has any ideas about Avalon, Avenger, tribal tattoos, memory blocks, meddling wizards.
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>>21850855
Well then, are we to link to another thread or continue this one until it 404s?
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>>21845534
WAIT! AVENGER EXPLICITLY MENTIONED AVALON BY NAME! Change my vote from Sparring to
>[ ] Talk with Saber about ___.
Does the word "Avalon" mean anything to you?
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>>21850822

Hey guys, do you know what isn't an option?
>[x]Read the book that dear old dad left us.

We should read up on stuff
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>>21850869
>>21850883
Voting for either of these.
>>
[X] Talk with Saber about Avalon.

We have some connection to it, and apparently Kiritsugu left something in us that resulted in us having an affinity for Arturia, so....
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>>21850867

>Archive this one to be safe, and then we'll go for another hour or so, assuming it lives that long.
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>>21850941
Already done actually.
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>>21850944

>Just saw it. The archive's going batshit now.

>Also, can someone give me the vote?
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>>21850970

I think conversation with Saber is winning at the moment
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>>21850970
Talk with Saber about Avenger (with Avalon mentioned somewhere in there) is winning.
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>>21850978

>Alright, I'll get on that in just a minute.
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Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what day is it? what's happening now in canon?
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>>21851026

I can't remember which day but we have gone too far from the tradional routes to guess what is happening.

I suppose HF is the closest at the moment.
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>>21851026
Having never played any Nasu game (except untranslated Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code (FUCK YOU ARCHETYPE:EARTH ECLIPSE YOU ARE FUCKING BULLSHIT)) I can only assume that it is nowhere near as insane as having a vampire, maybe-Ciel, and Avenger running around, along with pretty much all of the Servants cooperating to help heal Sakura and/or watch our for the aforementioned vampire.
Pretty much the only thing that could have gone horribly wrong but hasn't is that we have not encountered True Assassin.
Yet.
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>>21851080
>F/SN HF route
>Not insane
Nah, this is actually about par for the course for F/SN, as far as the VN goes, on the insanity. However, we have considerably more characters than usual.
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>>21851088

Things still can go horribly wrong.

Remember at the start of this thrend we had archer trying to talk Rin into getting caster to use RULE BREAKER on him. Looks like he still wants to set up a time paradox and erase himself from existence.

The shadow can still appear, can corrupt our servants (remember that Gil is the only one immune to that)

We haven't converted Llya to our cause yet. We can still be set up for a creepy "Be Mine" sequence.
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>>21851115
Yes, but those can all happen in the assorted Routes.
At this point I don't think I'd be surprised if we managed to get Archetype to show up, punch Gil's shit in, then princess-carry him to the nearest love hotel.
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>>21851139
>Archetype
>showing up anywhere besides in a sleeping Arcueid's mind
One can dream...Seriously, that short one-off teaser thing from Kagetsu Tohya of Arcuied in her dreams made me fucking giddy. I want it to come up in the remake or possible sequels.
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>>21851026

Night of day 8, including the 3 days of prologue.
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"Hey Saber? Does the word Avalon mean anything to you?"

"It means a good deal." she responds. "It was the name of my sheath, among other things."

"Wait, the magical healing sheath?" I ask surprised. "That can't be coincidental. first that weird guy from my dream, now this...." Seeing Saber's confused expression, I explain. "When I went for a walk earlier, I encountered someone who said we were somehow connected because of it. He also said that it was because of a 'meddling wizard' and that we met at the end of the last war."

Saber's silent, processing the information. "Is it true?"

"I don't remember it, but something tells me it wasn't a lie. Not completely." I sigh. "the part that weirds me out the most is that he called himself Avenger."

"That almost sounds like a Servant's name."

"Yeah." I respond, shaking my head. "Like I said, weird." I sigh. "I was going to bring this up with Tosaka, but..."

Saber nods. "Whatever the situation is, it'll keep until tomorrow." She looks down at her Tea. "How is your shoulder doing?" she asks suddenly.

"From the fight with Berserker?" I ask, rolling it in the socket. "Still a little bit stiff, now that I'm checking it. I'm glad Rin was able to heal it, otherwise I might've lost it."

"It would heal better if you would rest more." Saber chides half-jokingly.

"Yeah, I'll be sure to ask the next Servant we fight to play nicely." I say with a chuckle.

[ ] Time skip.
[ ] Ask saber about ____.
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>>21851280

Either
>[x]Time skip
or
>[x]Read our dads book

But if you ask me, I think its better to call it a night here. I looks like everyone has left.
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>>21851280
[X] Ask saber about ____.

First ask who she is, it kinda seems like we should know this.

Also ask how our Dad summoned her, we don't know of any catalyst, and they weren't compatible in the least, so try to puzzle that out with her.
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>>21851280
[x] Time skip.

And yeah that seems like a good place to stop here.
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>>21851280

I agree we should ask saber about who she is. Seems like it is about time anyway.
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>>21851280
[X] Ask Saber about us not being selfish enough

She's been pretty similar, valuing other's protection over our own. She would be on our side about it, right?

Also, I'm looking do some more writefagging after the end of last thread, less about KinKaiser and more about Gilgamesh as a loose cannon cop. Something did come up before, so I might not have enough time to finish it, but I'll see how I go.
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>>21851357
valuing other's protection over HER own*
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>>21851280
[x] Ask Saber about who she is.
Kiritsugu seems to have done something to ensure that we would summon her in any future Grail War. He didn't get along with her during the last War, and a lot of that seemed to stem from her not being what he expected. He knew who she was before he summoned her, while we haven't got a fucking clue. Knowing who she is might give us an insight into his thought during and after the War; he seemed to undergo a pretty radical change.
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Alright, since my last post apparently took too long, I'll call the thread here and pick it up next time.

Please keep the discussion and votes going if you want, I'll check it out in the morning.
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I vote for reading the book.
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>>21851422
Thanks for another fun thread Ac-Guy
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>>21851422
>took too long
Well, the thread has been up for 8 hours and we're buried solidly on page 7, so I think that's a good run. You can't really expect to keep the reply rate at the same level for this long without throwing in some fight and/or sex scenes.
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>the wound we got fighting Berserker isn't fully healed.

Uh guys? If we actually have Avalon, this is something to be concerned with.
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>>21851454

He already told me he's uncomfortable writing porn.

If/when it becomes relevant and you guys really want it, I'll write something up.

I make no promises as to quality.
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>>21851454

If we manage to heal Sakura so she can move around.
Guess what would be the first thing she will ask us to help with?
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>>21851488
Making lunch? Killing Zouken? All the homework she's missed? Cleaning?



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