>>21907531
Y u start dis thread wen I go sleepy?

>>21907614
Because I only just got in from Uni and wanted to talk about this. Its midnight here if thats any consolation

UAL needs some background, I refuse to let a perfectly good free state just sit there without a reason.

>>21907689
Which one is "UAL?"

>>21907689
The United Arab League? IIRC they relied on pacts with Djinn for protection from large scale invasion, but they also come and go as they please outside the protected land
Also, if the guy who made the map (awesome work btw) turns up, I'd like to make a suggestion regards former Australia

>>21907707
United Arab League.
Its just sitting there surrounded by nazis and commies. Its weird in a setting like this for the Arabs of all people to be left alone by this kind of stuff.

>>21907720
I think we should stay away from talking about North America, Australia and Europe for awhile. It all risks becoming a great big circlejerk if we don't focus on fleshing out the rest of the world.

>>21907725
Well to be fair both sides need oil, so going to war in the Middle East would be like punching your enemy in the face while punching your balls with your other arm.

>>21907766
True, I was just going to suggest Australia is a post-apocalyptic mining hell, as Australia has enourmous untapped uranium reserves that would give the Soviet's science boners
So, UAL. Wandering tribes, migrating between a few fixed points of arab civilisation?

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I believe this image kinda illustrates well what Jap magic/martial arts mainly runs on.

By channeling the power of your ancestors, you in turn empower yourself.

This is achieved by following highly formalized movement patterns following traditions that have been passed down through the ages.

Actually, you could say that the defining element of Japanese magic is Stance and Voice.

>>21907893
So is it your blows are followed by your ancestors? So every sword strike hits with the combined force of your entire family line?

ITT Red Alert 3 with Nazis

Which faction would be the most NO FUN ALLOWED one to play, going by current fluff?

>>21907908
>So is it your blows are followed by your ancestors? So every sword strike hits with the combined force of your entire family line?
Exactly.
Or, well, ideally, but at the very least you will power up tremendously by following a set ritual before a confrontation.

Those that have MASTERED their line are probably disgustingly broken and rather NoFun on the tabletop.

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>>21907925
Bitch please Red Alert 2
Also, did we ever decide rules about allowing mechs? 'Cause I've got an awesome idea for a Soviet one, pic related

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>>21907966
Mecha or power armour?

>>21907963
NO FUN ALLOWED? Meaning broke as hell and no fun to play for or against?
So far, none. The Nazi's are forced to rely on capricious daemons, the Soviets are crippled without armour support, the Aussies and the Brits are outnumbered and outgunned, Japan has vanished up its own arsehole and the Chinese are too busy kicking seven shades of shit out of each other to bother the outside world

Can the wish-granting powers of the djinn be used in some way? Like, if someone wished for something and it had unforeseen consequences on a huge scale?

Also, has there ever been any known groups of djinn in mythology, or are they all loners? I had this idea of an army of djinn marching around in the desert, setting fire to oil fields and glassing the desert. Maybe the wish was what glassed the desert?

>>21907999
That pic I posted is most definitely a mech
But power armour, in the conventional sense, could be a Soviet and New Oz thing. Sov power armour is bulkier, slower but packs enough punch to go one on one with a high end daemon, whereas the Aussie suits are more Crysis ELITE OPERATOR HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG style
And of course, unconventional power armour, like daemons bound to ancient suits of armour

>>21907963
Australians
> mechanical beasts up the wazoo
> diseases, diseases everywhere
> no tanks? FUCKED six ways to sunday
> oh right, your base is now saboteurs, GG.

>>21908000
Wasn't northeastern China an irradiated hellhole, with the civil war even extending underground?

>>21908018
The mecha beasts are fire and forgot, thick as shit after a curry and twice as angry. They're rare, more a distraction
I'll give you the rest though, the New Australian Confederation picks its battles with exceptional care

>>21907963
Swiss.
They are just better at everything, and a fluff accurate wargame representation of them would just cause endless amounts of tears and rage.

>>21908053
As I recall most of the tail end of the last thread was trying to depower the Swiss. They lost a lot of their space time dickery, replaced with more psychological stuff that takes a long time to work properly.

>>21908053
Didn't we nerf those guys in the fluff? I'l try to dig up what was said about them in the last thread.

>>21908053
>>21908092
Ah, here we are. Some anon had summarized a lot of what was said. Just pasting that.

>Should they be kept neutral? If they are then I think they should be bunkered down inside their mountains and in tunnels running under their land. That's actually not far from reality.
>In the last thread it was suggested that it was basically a melting pot of spies from all countries, with schemes and mind games being played by everyone against each other. The Swiss base their psychological warfare doctrine, employed against foreign agents, on psychoanalytic theories.
>To give them a handicap, I say the Swiss military should be fragmentized. Some military men defect to join the Nazis, others join resistance groups, some pursue mercenary life (because they're Swiss) and some remain with the military. It would probably make sense for some to have ties to the Vatican and the demon-slaying Mafia as well. Basically, the only reason they remain neutral is because they all have ties to different Great Powers, unable to reach consensus on which to align with. The people who want to remain truly neutral throughout the conflict are the ones who go underground.
>The entire country is basically one big clusterfuck with no one quite sure what's going on, not even the Swiss.
>Them using both magic and superscience could be explained by them stealing what arrives with foreign agents, and different factions getting supplied from foreign backers. They don't excel at either compared to the big players, but they get by.

This is what I found. If we could please wait for a bit to discuss this and instead focus on the UAL and the rest of the world, then maybe shit will get done.

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Going to bump this thread with a pic I just found
What do you think? Soviet General?

>>21908277
>Soviet General partially clad in medium power armor
I think that sounds about right. The Reds can never have enough dakka.

>>21908006
What kind of wish would that be? Who made it? What consequences are we talking?

I didn't know Obama was russian.

>>21908303
Looks more clobbering time to me
Hmmm, Soviet Landship commander dismounts to go one on one with a extra-dimensional ally of the Nazi menace?

>>21908273
OK, so the UAL operate in and around the Hajaaz, and occasionally go near the coast but not often.
How do they move around? In the manner of their ancestors, on the backs of camels? Did they purchase outdated landships in the days before the Sov's and Nazi's annexed their terroritories, or is it a mix of mechanised homes and traditional transport?

>>21907803
Saskatchewan Canada has the richest seams of uranium in the world, if they get a uranium boner it'd be there. They'd already have control of the Kazakhstan uranium explorations (largest deposit but on the cusp of not being profitable due to the tonnage/uranium content) with Australia having untapped uranium resources a bit aways from Ayers Rock. The Australian size of the deposit is unknown, test mining showing about 4-16% content per tonnage. This is compared to Saskatchewan's 34-44% and Kazakhstan's .01%-.03%.

>>21908412
So the Russians nuked the shit out of Canada to cover their mining ops, knowing full well they'd make a profit. I can dig it, and without knowing what the Ayers Rock deposit is like we can always expand its size a bit for plot purposes. After all, those landships have got to be hungry buggers

>>21908337
More like Kompany Kommander Yadernyzub answers the challenge of Sturmbannzauberer Blitzfaust.

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>>21908429
> I can dig it
You...

>>21908015
Oh right, Aussie tech was supposed to be futuristic and smooth, right?

Also, I think mechs would be mainly shock and awe or anti-demon weapons.

>>21908559
Those names made me giggle.

>>21908581
Maybe the mechs are deployed against the real heavy lifters the Nazi's summon up?
Thats a point, did we ever set a ceiling on what the Nazi's can conjure? Because I feel they need a class system for them

>>21908559
Oh good god the fauz German is almost as bad as the faux Russian, I love it!
It sounds like a comic book. Hmmm, now I think of it the Russians IRL did make some decent animations and tried to compete with American comics, maybe in Deathworld they tell dramatized tales of real life Heroes of the Proletariat

>>21908611
>Maybe the mechs are deployed against the real heavy lifters the Nazi's summon up?

Yea, and power armour for spec ops (Aussies are probably better at it since their shit's faster, but still) or smaller targets.
>Thats a point, did we ever set a ceiling on what the Nazi's can conjure? Because I feel they need a class system for them
We never did, but I'm working off of the assumption that once they get serious, you'll have to deal with monstrosities the size of buildings.

Such mecha are probably warded pretty heavily, maybe even built a bit like Engel, although that might be violating the aesthetic.

>>21908429
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Deathworld#Canada

Canada has a fair bit on it.

So, UAL question - what's the status of Jerusalem? It would still be an important aspect of all world religions, but without Israel it would be quite a bit different.

It would be ironic to have Jerusalem owned by the UAL, but it is the "last Jewish outpost" in the world, and the UAL is fairly tolerant of the Jews living there.

Compared to the Soviets and Nazis I see religion being larger part of the UAL.

Also, there was a really interesting discussion on there being a conglomeration of West African States centered around Liberia, allied with the Constitutionalists, tied together with the power of Voodoo.

>>21908673
Well, if you look at the mech posted here >>21907966 I'd say thats a good model for the Soviet aesthetic, being bulky, slow and powerful as hell. Plus its got a cooling tower/submarine conning tower looking thing so it has cues of Soviet designs in it already

>>21908698
I think we should make that canon. The Constitutionalists should have some allies after all, and the Caribbean and West Africa make sense what with voodoo. Though I suppose the movement in the Caribbean is a resistance one compared to W. Africa's actual nationstates.

>>21908559
>Company Commander Nuclear Teeth
>Assault Squad Wizard Lightning Fist
I can jive to this.

>>21908698
Well, Jerusalem is important to three major religions, and without the tension of the Israeli-Arab conflict I could see them all working out a power sharing agreement, maybe having Jerusalem as one of the points the Djinn swore to protect?
On Liberia, I was thinking they weren't influenced by the Constitutionalists, but the other way around. The US was losing the conventional war, overwhelmed due to their lack of esoteric technology. At their lowest ebb, a ship arrives in New Orleans, hailing from Liberia, bearing voodoo priests and spirit talkers, rallying to help their home nation in its time of peril

>>21908760

Or why not just have the Caribbean have some independent, Constitutionalist allied states? I really dig the idea for a West African Union - in all these alt histories, Africa is nearly always ignored and handwaved as "pretty much the same"

>>21908795
So we have Constitutionalist allied states in the Caribbean, lead by Zombie Castro, and a West African coalition that also smuggles supplies in exchange for Tesla Weaponry to the Constitutionalists, and also goes Voodoo.

>>21908784

I think it should go both ways across the Atlantic. Both sides learn from the techniques of the other.

This is also a GOLDMINE of historical drama considering the history of slavery.

Also, wasn't the map supposed to be updated to represent the change to Canada that was made in one of the previous threads?

>>21908814
Wait, Zombie Castro? No no no sire, Castro and Guevara are hard bitten zombie killers, battling their way through South America's drug wars after the Cuban Revolution went wrong. The Soviets still don't they are alive

>>21908814

Yeah, I really like the idea of an emerging African power as opposed to "they laid down and died and the Nazis beat them."

Also, Nazi racial policies mean that the West Africans have EVERYTHING to lose if the Nazis take over.

>>21908839
Come on. Zombie Castro is just too good an idea to pass up.

>>21908839

Maybe the Cuban Revolution in this timeline was against a Nazi vanguard occupying force, or Nazi Sympathetic Government.

>>21908852
He can be both. He was infected with the zombie virus, but Geuvera rescued him and took him to America, where the Constitutionalists worked some magic so he would be a self-aware zombie. This cemented the Alliance between the Carribbean states and the Constitutionalists, which would be a great aid in completing the "Voodoo Atlantic Connection" with the West African Union.

>>21908857
>>21908873
BOOM. Problem solved. Good work gentlemen.

We should fluff out South America a little more.

>>21908873
So we VATO now? Cool
>>21908895
Well, the most we got was it was being devoured from within, between the drug wars, reborn Aztec faiths, constant revolutions sponsored by one side or the other and the Amazon being alive and thirsty for blood

>>21908923
Well, and Argentina is Nazi, right?

>>21908931
This week. Next week, who knows? Who cares? Here, have a mojito, grab your AK 97 and lets get to work
Here's an idea. If Africa is relatively stable with a small power on the rise, South America is the new home of mercenaries

>>21908963
I can see Argentina (and probably a conquered Chile) as being a fairly stable Nazi-buddy or even owned state, due to its relative power and simple geography.

But once you hit Jungle, all bets are off - its mercenary, Aztec, killer jungle madness.

>>21908963
Considering it's basically where the Soviets and the Nazi's are waging proxy wars, yes.

>>21908923
Voodoo Atlantic Treaty Organization. Genius. This needs to be a thing.

>>21909046
I'd say Nazi buddy, but in practice the Argies tend to tell Berlin to suck a knockwurst if they push to hard, what with having their own problems
Should the Sov's have a hand in Venezuela, or should they be more vested in supporting revolts in the region?

>>21908923
Isn't Aztec more up there in Mexico?

So how big is this West African Union? And is that what it's called? IT could just be in general called "Liberia" - appealing to Constitutionalist ideas, or maybe more nationalistic - Songhai, Massina, Mali Empire, etc. - appealing to history.

I figure for size, a start is all the nations on this list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa#Countries

>>21909074
I figure that the Soviets own Columbia and Venezuala, or they are puppets, as well as probably Ecuador on the west side of the Andes. I can see Peru west of the Andes as being split between Nazis and Soviets - Nazis coming up from Chile, Soviets coming down from Ecuador.

>>21909126
Yeah, that list of nations looks like a good basis for this hypothetical state.

>>21909126
Thats a big area, even if a lot of is Sahara. And remember, the Nazi's took North Africa off of Monty, and the Soviets expanded onto the Eastern Coast
I'd say it covers, in practice, Cape Verde, then along the coastline from Senegal down to Nigeria, with some advancement inland, mostly following waterways. No need to be bound by maps now after all
>>21909054
Happy someone got that

What about South Africa? After Britain fell was it Loyal like Canada and New Zealand, or did it jump in with the Nazis on the basis of their racial policies? I can see it being a fairly loose Nazi ally sort of like the Confederate States of America - a mass slave nation. They don't want to exterminate all the Africans or else their workforce and most of the population would be gone.

From what I can see theres no biowar faction. Diseases, beasts, beast-men and so on.

Australia as a tech faction seems a bit... retarded. Sure, plebotinum has been found there, but other than that theres no logical link between "shrimp on the barbie mate?" and high tech uberscience. Especially if its based in Antartica. IMO better to make that just a FOR SCIENCE secret society and leave Australia as an irradiated, mined out shithole ruled by Road Warrior gangs of radioactive mutants and shit

>>21909126
Libali? Masseria? Masshai? Mária? Really, there must be some sort of compromise here.

>>21909200
Well Yeah "North Africa" is firmly Nazi, while West Africa is this independent state. The Sahara border can be fuzzied up.

>>21909156
Tell you what, Nazi's are secure in Argentina, the Sov's secure in Venezuela/Columbia, and the other nations are trapped in a cycle of revolution and counter-revolution, sponsored by the powers that be

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>>21909215
True, its the Sahara after all, basically an unwatchable border
>>21909205
The Aussie's fled to Antartica, and plunged every last thing they had into their tech to help them survive. And I think it was implied they found the ruins of some incredibly advanced Vril like race or something

Bumpedy bumpity bump

>>21909210
Should be called United States of Africa. U.S.A.

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OK, seems we're all asleep, which is a damn shame.
I'll post this last pic, do with with what you will, and I hope this thread is up tommorow

>>21909676
Sounds a bit mundane, what with the rest of the world being magocracies, technocracies, necrarchies and lots of other names I will think of when I get up in the morning.

>>21909204
>Implying Neo Zulus haven't rebelled using bull horn tank formation

>>21909751
>Neo Zulus
That's a good name for a separatist movement. or just an extremist movement.

>>21909764
Heil Shaka

>>21909764
The Neo Zulus should operate in South Africa, fighting the Nazi Friendly government there.

>>21909731
Yes but the coincidental naming is rather amusing. As well, I think it would be interesting if this entity modeled itself after the old USA - with a similar constitution and state system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Community_of_West_African_States

This is probably a better map of this "USA" since it appears on the map on the wiki that Nazis own Mauritania. That's 15 nations that can be 15 states - a flag with 15 stars. Except instead of Red White and Blue it's traditional Red, Green and Gold.

Neo Zulus need to be a thing.
The fierce warrior culture rises again with rediscovered shamanistic magics, cutting through occupied Africa. As a rebellion force they would probably be a gigantic pain the ass of both the commies and nazis, assuming their tech is at least close to modern standard.

I thought Africa was supposed to be the "peaceful" place

>>21909949
Just throwing it out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Sundiata

There's a local legend that the bad guy will return and try to conquer the world. And Sundiata will return to battle him.

>>21910053
Fuck you, this is a world of death.

>>21909994
>Implying Zulu magic wouldn't literally be a pain in the ass

There's this creature called a tikolshe that stretches its cock to enourmous girth and length out to rape one's enemies if summoned, or just, y'know, drink their blood.

>>21910053
Fuck you, that's boring

>>21910053
Fuck you, Africa is not a singular cultural entity.

>>21910053
Fuck you, there is still a mass of Africa outside of West Africa and this is a good idea.

>>21910085
Jesus Christ how Horrifying.

>>21910064
>>21910192
>>21910260
>>21910305
Damn, he just got fucked.

>>21910635
He got super fucked. He got tikolshe fucked.

Hey guys, a question about the The Constitutionalists and post-usa in general
are the undead there all lich controlled? or are their also brain munchers and Ragers too?

And are uncle sam and Lady LIberty at large as mythics?

>>21911319
I'd assume that those two would count as mythics. I don't think much of whatever was developed with the Constitutionalists made it into the 1d4chan wiki entry, sadly.

>>21911690
any archived threads?

>>21908873

Cuba should annex the rest of the Caribbean. Or should divvy it up with a united Haiti (Or Hispaniola, if you will).

Also - the Constitutionalists are a group, but what do they call their own territory? Do they still refer to it as America? Or as the Constitutionate? Or what?

>>21911885
Constitutionate does have a nice ring to it.

>>21910085
>Neo Zulu shamans summoning uber rape gremlins to fight off demon Nazis and robot communists
I like it.

>>21911885
Probably still the United States, as that's what the Constitution calls it.

>>21911995
Okay, so if it is still USA there needs to be a new name for the hypothetical African union that is not USA or else it would be confusing.

I vote the United African Republic (UAR). Gets across the main three points - it's African, its a Union of States, and its a republic based on the old American model.

VATO.

"The Voodoo-Atlantic Treaty Organization was created in 1962, after the Cuban Voodoo Crisis. The undead Fidel Castro, wary of Nazi encroachment into the Caribbean, worked with American necromancers and prepared "Operation Locust" - an undead plague that was poised to sweep over the Eastern United States. The weapon was provided by the USA. Knowledge that the shipment had been made lead to an international incident, in which the Nazi's eventually backed down (behind the scenes, they determined that they could finish the confrontation after developing a cure to Operation Locust and there was no benefit in playing their hand instantly). As per the agreement, Nazi military forces removed their Mobile Magic Summoners from Hispaniola and parts of Africa.

In the wake of this incident, the USA and Cuba found themselves with similar goals. They signed the VATO agreement - they would share information, both intelligence wise and of newly developed voodoo rituals. As well, they would try to protect each other's interests in the Caribbean. Not long after, the newly independent Republic of Hispaniola was admitted to the VATO pact and, not long after that, the rising UAR (United African Republic). Together, these four nations were able to muster a response to overwhelming Nazi and Soviet Global Power."

>>21912329

VATO still exists as of 2010 and proved to be a larger problem than the Nazis and Soviets anticipated. Both the USA and UAR developed their necromantic rituals at a much faster rate than expected, and the UAR had a swiftly burgeoning economy. The Nazi cure for Operation Locust was never developed, as newer weaponry and tactics soon replaced it.

One of the most monumental moments of the VATO Alliance was the exchange in which the UAR gave the USA a plethora of badly needed ancient voodoo secret, and in return, as a gesture of goodwill, the USA shipped over the Founding Lord Monroe. Monroe's "Monroe Doctrine", which was originally a statement of stopping colonialism in the Americas, found a remarkable reinvention in Africa and Monroe is worshiped there with great reverence, his defensive Magical abilities being of great asset to the UAR. VATO is also instrumental in ensuring that none of the other factions reaches a total dominance of the Mid-Atlantic oceanic routes.

>>21912466
Amazing History Lesson

>>21912466
>>21912329
some one put this shit on the wiki NOW

>>21907531

I'm voting for calling it the UAR too. Best to get things done. I think the wiki map needs an update to include it.

I also figure VATO is secretly funneling money and guns to the Neo-Zulus.

Back to the UAL - how is it run? How is it set up?

See, what we need is more actual history. I like the idea of the UAR, but when was it created? Right after WWII? In the Decolonial era in our timeline? I'm thinking from 1945-1955 - as the European Colonial Powers collapse, the oppurtunity is seized.

>>21914732
I'm thinking it starts right after WWII with some concerned voodoo priests in Liberia and quickly expands, having all the constituent states by 1955, or around the same time the Soviets and Nazis really start to conquer North and East Africa thoroughly.

Okay, another thing we need to work out are what Presidents are Active and reincarnated.

Great Washington, The General, Harbinger of Woe, Devourer of Villages. Even though he is the oldest of Presidents, Washington is still on the front lines. He has been destroyed 14 times and resummoned 14 times. Aside from the variety of powers common to the Presidents, he has the Aura of the Republic, which turns regular Constitutionalist Troops into ravaging zealots, ignoring their wounds so that they may slay one more enemy.

Jefferson the Sage, the Wise, the Inscrutable. He remains in the new Capital, in the Grand Augery. He speaks rarely, but writes much - pages upon pages of knowledge. His unique gift is Looking Further - he was sometimes speak of the movement of enemy troops if they mass in large enough numbers.

Andrew Jackson is what could be said to have been a failed summoning. He manifested, indeed, but something seems to have created him mad. Old Hickory is now a nature spirit of the most twisted sort, half man, half twisted wood. He lives somewhere out in the wilderness, slaying and devouring men, no matter their side.

Theodore Roosevelt - The Bull Moose, the Great Warrior, the Tireless Hero. He is perhaps the most Primal, the most Pure, the most Destructive of the Presidents. He speaks softly, but carries a Big Stick. He travels with great speed, his Rough Riders a Wild Hunt that send American forces into jubilation and strike a primal fear in their enemies. His power is Conservation - he can return blasted land to life. Such rejuvenations are always followed by maddened animals bolting from the growth and heading towards the enemies of America to tear them to shreds.

>>21910053
Its peaceful between the Soviets and Nazi's, outside their territories we have all sorts of strange shit

>>21915909

Abraham Lincoln - The Martyr, the Father of Peace, the Emancipator, the Binder of the Union. Out of all the Presidents he is the least directly terrifying, the most reassuring - but with an aura of melancholy that is chilling in its own way. He rarely wars, but when he does, he strides forth with an axe in perfect calm and clarity. In his presence, spies and secret traitors are unable to hide their affiliation and must attack and expose themselves.

Monroe - Monroe, the Anti-Colonial, the Doctrinal, Founder of Liberia. Monroe is a curious President in that he had little power as a manifestation in the USA. His corpse and summoning rites were shipped to the UAR secretly in a validation of the VATO pacts. Once in Monrovia, the city named after him, however, and bolstered with African voodoo and hopes, he became a powerful President in his own right. His Monroe Doctrine takes the form of powerful magical shields and screens that can stop entire armies.

Ulysses S. Grant - The Forlorn General, the Grinder of Men, the Slayer of the Klan. Grant is an avatar of War. Despite perhaps desiring to be otherwise, he is resummoned as the Meat Grinder. He always exudes a terrible aura of sadness, but also of stoicism. Under his Bloody Battles effect, the soldiers of the Constitutionalists resurrect for a while after falling - creating a near unending wave of soldiers that grind down the enemy.

Franklin Roosevelt - The Crippled Savior, The Dying Hero, the Conqueror of Fear, the New Deal. Franklin Roosevelt is a beloved President. When he is about, men have nothing to fear but fear itself, which he dispels. They are filled with vigour and fresh energy. His mighty power is the Arsenal of Democracy - magically, in his presence, the weaponry of Constitutionalist guns, artillery, tanks and other weapons seem never to run out of ammunition and they Constitutionalist soldiers can lay down truly excessive amount of fire.

>>21915909
I thought Washington was just hanging out on his farm, vaguely disgusted by being brought back? Old George was a humble man in life, and frankly not much of a general. I remember some awesome writefaggotry of him just working on his farm, waiting for the call

>>21916171
This description doesn't give much on her personality. I like the idea of him being peaceful and just waiting on his farm, vaguely disgusted ... and then when he is summoned his eldritch powers go out of control. Then he comes back, feeling discontented.

>>21916233
I don't think you should be able to just summon a Founding Father, you'd have to negoitate terms for them to help

>>21916171
Is there somewhere specific to find all the writefaggotry or does one need to dig through all the threads?

>>21916266
Yeah, I'm sort of wondering how this works. Are they summoned up just once or do they "dispel" after a period. Do you negotiate with them? How? What's required to get one to come?

>>21916311
Sadly thread diving is the only option. If its any help all the archived threads are linked on the wiki

I can see the new Australians acting as mercenaries for anyone who has the cash to afford their services and the means by which to contactthe reclusive nation.

They're clean, precise, surgical. The silver dagger in a world where everyone else is wielding sledgehammers

>>21916321
Far as we've discussed, they're bound to their bodies, so they're always about, but they various eldritch abilities and powers, depending on how beloved they were in life and in death
So, George Washington is the most powerful of all of them, being both a President, a Founding Father and being most famous as an inspiration when he was alive

>>21916363
Shouldn't how Founding Father's work be put on the wiki article? Or else new people are going to keep coming back to this again and again. From what I've seen of the threads there looks to be a mass of unrecorded stuff.

This is starting to look a little too white and black for me.

I think we need to grey up all sides a bit. Not so much for nazis maybe, but they at least need to be dark grey instead of pitch black.

Now, it's not like I always hate black vs white, but I think this is a setting that really needs to be grey vs grey

>>21916346
I like that idea, explains how they support themselves. Another issue with hiring Aussie mercs should be esoteric demands. Most will take money, all will take gold, except for the Australians. You have to have something they want first, and what they wants can change from day to day

>>21916395
Oh it is. Read the write up of the Soviet Union, its as class stratified as the Nazi's, just under the veneer of equality.
The Constitutionalists are the last bastion of America, but are made up of undead citizens backed by half mad reanimated presidents

>>21916433
How much of the Constitutionalists are undead? 100%? 90%? 80? 75?

>>21916466
Bit lower, in terms of total population. But the citiznery are moslty undead. The Constitutionalists practice equality in death

>>21916466
90% or so, most of them soldiers, the living ones are kept as national treasures, locked away in fortress cities, for they are the only ones who can truly keep the nation going.

Of the living ones, the only ones permitted to leave the cities are the necromancers who join the undead legions in battle. And they're so strongly defended that it's often easier to kill one of their presidents

>>21916404
I also have this idea that the vast majority of contact with the Australians are done through robotic drones, they're so few in number that they simply refuse to risk the death of one.

Meeting an actual Australian face to face means that he not only trustsyou with his life, it means that he trusts you to betray your own nation before you betray Australia

>>21916554
I imagine they use drones and remote piloted simulacrums to communicate, so meeting an Aussie in the flesh is a massive deal now
But for combat the Australians don't trust their drones to complete their delicate jobs

>>21916346
This raises the question "why would the Aussies ever leave Antarctica?" They can't just be bunkered down there, they need a reason to interact with the rest of the world.

>>21916628
Their escape plan. Their entire motivation is to escape the dying Earth and get into space, first by establishing a moonbase
Hence the raids on tech facilities, their bizarre demands for payment and their general reclusiveness. Remember, New Australia doesn't offically exist, as far as the Sov's and Nazi's know its just well equipped mercs hitting them

>>21916628
>>21916646
Food as well, Antarctica isn't exactly the most hospitable place, and the hidden nation is too small to afford much space on artificial farmland. "30 tons of wheat" is not an odd request coming from an Australian merc

>>21916646
So, they're like the Collectors of this setting? Cool, I can dig it. However, can we layer them a bit to allow more variety for players? Like, not just saying they're all specops or mercs.

How does it stand against other states? Like, can it be said to be the 'good' state, even if only to its own people? If so, I feel like they need some darker sides to them.

>>21916707
They can and will screw over any and all to get what they want. Nothing else matters but the mission. Others Australians understand that, and fully expect to be left behind or executed if they're to badly wounded to MEDEVAC. But the outsiders who work for them don't understand that dedication
Plus, if for any reason whatsoever you might be compromised as an agent, the Australians will burn you, right then and there. They will annihilate your life in a heartbeat if you might compromise them

>>21916707
I had this idea of them having found Greys and them stealing tech was more about finding pieces of alien tech to construct their spaceship. So, they go round the world setting up archeological digs and raiding museums.

As for their base in Antarctica, the Greys may or may not be in control. It's hard to say, since not everybody remembers the place exactly the same. They are mentally conditioned before they leave and their memories manipulated.

>>21916847
Aren't the Greys already dead though? I thought what they found was the milennia old ruins of an abandoned ship and reverse engineered half of the stuff found inside.

>>21917022
Oh yeah... New idea: they are experimenting with bio-engineering themselves to be more suited for life on this reverse engineered spaceship, or, to be better suited to live on hte moon. They are turning themselves into Greys, so to speak.

>>21917238
That works better, although I still really like the idea of Australians all looking like stereotypical Australians with big moustaches, rippling muscles and seven feet of height, but actually being sneaky, non-confrontational masterminds

For the UAL, I was definitely thinking Jerusalem would come under its protection. When the Saudis made their deal with the Djinn, they were very practical about the whole thing. Protecting one of their most holy cities went without saying, especially since afterwards they could claim to be protecting their Jewish and Christian "allies".

As for life there, it's probably very strictly hierarchical. Life is very traditional outside of the big cities, where the royalty and government are based. In those cities, the poor are kept very much poor and oppressed, while the rich live like the kings they are. Any dissent is ruthlessly quashed, alongside propaganda efforts about how much worse it would be if they didn't have the House of Saud and their Djinn allies in charge. The Djinn, meanwhile, only ever really interact with a chosen few, who are the ones who organise the Djinn's payment, which is kept secret because it's too horrible to make public.

>>21916847
>>21917022

If we wanted to be a bit silly and involve some Lovecraft here, the Australian desert does have the City of the Great Race, just waiting to be discovered.

>>21916667

Hydroponics and harvesting the sea is definitely an option there.

>>21917384
I know the whole Gallipoli Myth is played out, but I love the idea of Australians holding out in a fort/bunker/building for weeks, and when it's taken it turns out they'd been gone for days, with the "firefights" having been with drones programmed to open fire at random intervals.

>>21917238
They probably don't have a lot of test subjects available in Antarctica. They probably have to use themselves as test subjects, meaning they could have some nasty mutations.

"We believed the demons were some other race, some quantifiable species from another dimension, despite Muller's best efforts to mount an expedition. We were wrong.

Demons aren't independent entities. They exist for a task, then cease to exist. They are given shape, purpose and names by those who summon them. This is not because our magic restricts them. It is because our magic and our will creates them. They are creatures of desire and need because we create them out of our desire and need.

When we make the sacrifice and call up a demon into a suitable host, we have set the rules for this demon's existence. We give it a task, a shell to exist within and fuel. The sacrifice is the fuel, but it is not the sacrifice that is important. It is the ACT of sacrifice that provides the energy. The act of destroying a thing gives the energy to create a thing. The laws of thermodynamics, it seems apply as much to magic as to science. This explains Hess' experiments, which showed demonstrably improved results from sacrifices that had greater emotional significance to the person performing the sacrifice.

This is why They have no set shape, only existing in what we create or summon them into, be it a corpse, a war machine, or a light bulb. Until we make the sacrifice and intone the act of will, they do not exist. And once they have completed the task, they resume their state of non-existence. Any personalities or characters that some demonologists report, are merely their own, projected onto something that has none of its own.

I know this because my wife is now dead, and the demon I created from this sacrifice was created to tell me what it was.

The price we are willing to pay to succeed is the price the demons take, because they are the products of our own minds. They are the triumph of the will."

Extracts from the suicide note of Siegfried Geisshardt, Demonologist. Subsequently severely restricted.

>>21916129
>>21915909

It's probably worth thinking about the fact that history changed at a certain point, so what about the presidents from after that point. Sure, there's a time period where America is still independent, but then there will also be a period before the Constitutionalist cult comes to the fore when the free American people are just a loose resistance movement struggling to survive in an apocalyptic wasteland. Were there still presidents elected in this period? Are they the same presidents America had in reality?

>>21918255
That's some pretty neat stuff.

So I've been going through the old threads and forum posts and wikis and trying to put it all together in one document that covers pretty much everything. The problem is there's a few points that haven't really been settled. The main one I'm having trouble with is Britain. Free Britain changed significantly from the Queen on an airship with druid magic and a quest to awaken some British national spirit, to a Faerie-run dystopia aboard a gigantic submarine.

Most people seemed to approve of the change, but I want to see if anyone still likes the old idea better.

>>21918333
I think the change has been accepted. The last three threads have pretty much made it clear that we're going with the submarine.

What we need to talk about is the Southern Hemisphere, Southern Asia and the Middle East. Those places need some work.

>>21918489
Well, South America is a hell hole, torn between the various revolutions of the hour, backed by whichever side happened to be handing out arms this week.
Southern Asia is relatively intact, Vietnam is a unified Soviet protectorate, and host to various Red Navy bases for their ASEAN fleet.
We never decided who ran Hong Kong, it was either the nationalists or the old British colonial authority. Personally I back the British idea, it gives the Albion somewhere to shore up under cover, and maintains the classic idea of Hong Kong as a free city, where you can find anything or anyone provided you know where to go. If you want to hire an Australian strike force, trade with the Japanese raiding fleet or the latest info on Soviet troop movements, it can be found somewhere in Hong Kong

>>21919929

South America also has the Amazon jungle going nuts and people returning to the old gods, since Catholicism hasn't managed to save them from invasion and the Jungle.

I like Hong Kong still being British as well, with a few caveats. It only remains British because the Nationalists holding the mainland near it means a "land" (and short naval hop) invasion from the Communists is impossible, and because it suits everyone having another "Neutral" city, beyond Switzerland. If Hong Kong went out of its way to support one side or the other, for example, by letting the Submarine dock openly, then its neat little arrangement would come crashing down pretty fast.

I'd also say that the direction the submarine has taken is radically different from what contemporary British society would be like. It's a magically-enforced dictatorship, with Queen with dubious sanity as absolute ruler (no-one ever seems to comment on why she looks like she stopped aging around 1942, strange) and parliament reduced to various administrative committees. People not under the Queen's influence find the whole thing un-nerving, and so the colonies, like Canada before it was pushed back and Hong Kong now, are divided. Some people want to support the submarine unthinkingly, others have very deep doubts (I think it was suggested that if Churchill survived the fall of Britain, that he wouldn't be on board the submarine and would be off somewhere else). The government of Hong Kong likes to keep its distance from the submarine both to maintain their neutrality and to keep the Queen away. If the submarine does show up, it does so in secret, and trades people and goods by boat from off-shore, rather than in harbour.

Just got in.
Why is Russia unable to use magic of their own?

>>21920368
Becaue SCIENCE!

Also, they distance themselves from magic and religion due to being very communist.

>>21920368

From a really basic point of view, it's so each faction is distinct.

From a more involved point of view: There's been a lot of talk about magic working because the people using it believe it will work. This change occurred at some point in the late '30s (Aleister Crowley may have been involved somehow) and after that, magic started happening. The Nazis were the first to really get on board with their demonology (>>21918255 suggests the "demons" might just be projections of the magic-user's will), but others followed. The Soviets, being good communists, follow a very materialistic worldview, which denies the supernatural, especially with regards to religion.

Because no-one knows that magic is based on belief, the Soviet's few experiments into scientifically replicating the magic they encounter fails miserably. The Soviet system won't allow magic because it doesn't fit with their worldview. That's not to say that there won't be localised incidents of magic happening within Soviet borders, old heroes coming back, folk tales coming true, that sort of thing. But these will be quashed swiftly.

Magic is for Nazis and worshippers of dead presidents. Good Soviet men and women rely on nuclear power, guns and maybe the odd experiment with electronically-induced psychic powers.

>>21920477
This. It also explains why the Soviets produce such wonders of engineering prowess, their propaganda makes them believe all is possible through the Soviet system

>>21920039
I like this. The former colonies (maybe even some Maharajah's with fond memories of the British for whatever reason) allow trade with Albion, but it never openly docks. Actually, maybe it just never stops, only slowing down enough so the passage by Hong Kong takes much longer than it should to allow some trading between boats

>>21920744
So, Soviets are the Orks of Deathworld? Not sure if want. I'd prefer if their technological marvels were due to SCIENCE!

>>21920822
Its all based on scientific principles, but the sheer scale of their industry and their ability to create such titanic weapons is partially due to the enduring belief in the products of Communism

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Oh, Sweet another Deathworld Thread

I realize that the map currently on 1d4chan isn't the most recent. (i've been the one updating the maps, so I don't want to dominate with my ideas, but there was cool idea of West African Resistance helped by Zombie Monroe from Monroeville.

Here's the Newest map, should I put in on 1d4chang

>>21920838
Still not sure if want. I'd like it better with less "clap your hands if you believe" and more "it is your duty as citizens to toil and, if the Motherland asks you to, die in the factories of our great and glorious country."

>>21920838
yeah, I like the idea that it is based around the ideas of Science, but the belief that these things 'Must Work' pushes things well past where they could be in the real world.

The people who do the work still think like scientists, they experiment and follow the evidence that results. It's just the the evidence itself is being nudged by belief

>>21920883
The West Africa Resistance is now the United African Republic, with its capital at Monrovia and is a bit larger than pictured. Cuba and Hispaniola are also American allies united by necromancy.

>>21920902

It's worth noting that this is all background stuff. In the setting itself, the power of the Soviet machine is purely down to the power of the Soviet people and their scientific advancement.

It's just a little fluff thing to explain various things. The Nazis can't compete with the Soviets when it comes to sheer industrial power, because they don't have the same belief in the power of science and progress, but equally, the Soviets can't believe properly in the Nazi's demon magic, so they can't use it. No-one really believes in the type of shit Australia is getting up to, so only they are building space elevators and genetically enhanced biological monstrosities.

What about Polynesia? Surely there is something going for him?

>>21920928
Will update

we should also update the wiki with other stuff.
Or at least dump them on the forums.

>>21920961
updated map.

Anything else I should add before putting it on 1d4chan

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>>21921035
derp forgot image

>>21921009
Well, the various little islands in the pacific have become homes to pirates, drug cartels, bizarre island cults, tech centres for all nations, and whatever else you can think of. Its real "Here be monsters" terroritory, sometimes literally

>>21921044
Thats pretty good work Ham
I also like how you use lighter shades of the faction colours for the puppet states or for allies

>>21921044
I just realized I have no idea how to change images on 1d4chan.
I'll try to dead recon it, but help would nice

>>21921055
So Ocean Punk? I know it sounds stupid, but settings like Earthsea, One Piece, Wind Waker, etc.

>>21921164
No, thats not stupid, if I'd known that was a term I'd of used it.
I don't know about anyone else but I'm getting a major 1930's pulp/noir feel out of this setting which fits it perfectly. The world is collapsing, deals are being made in smoky rooms and everyone is aware war is coming back

>>21921044
Looking at this map, I think Chad, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Congo, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea should be contested territory, laying between Nazis to the North and South, Soviets to the East and UAR to the West.

>>21921144
Make an account there and then upload the image by clicking "upload file" (It will only appear if you are logged in your account). Then just replace the images on the page.

>>21921195
it was decided at some point that the puppet states in Africa are largely at peace with each other.

I think this was motivated largely to have it be Bizarro world where being stationed in Central Africa is one of the best jobs you can get.

New Map is up on 1d4chan

>>21921335
In universe the reason is the African nations were occupied after the Midwest went to shit, between the zombies, the demons and the nukes. No one in Africa wants that to happen there so there is a lot of turning a blind eye to certain things

>>21921335
Well, if not contested, they should be a group of free states who don't ascribe to any of the nearby power blocs and have managed to exist as a "neutral center"

>>21917484
well this setting is somewhere between silly and grim, and I love me some lovecraft. So having the "City" in the middle of the Outback would be cool.
It would be a bitch to reach as most of Australia is a hellhole.

If we want to keep with things being the same as our world pre-WW2, have it be that in the 1920s the City wasn't there. But now it's been there for thousands of years

>>21921504
Maybe the City was uncovered by the nuclear barrage?
I imagine Australia has gone full Mad Max, with the major focus on the oil wells. There's also a massive Soviet presence in Ayer's Rock

>>21920368
Probably just regurgitating already made points but whatever.
1) "Useless mysticism".
2) Magic is - objectively speaking - pretty dangerous and prone to fatal failure.
3) It needs belief, and Soviets hate that.
4) Magic is about a select few, which doesn't mesh well with the ALL WORKERS ARE EQUAL shtick.

That's why their needs for supernatural dakka are best served by ESP.

It is
1) Learnable by everyone, at least in theory. There are probably schools that train their pupils to develop ESP, although the number of people who get anywhere close the level needed to enlist is incredibly low.

2) Not reliant on belief in anything but the person's own powers and the power of glorious Soviet science.

3) Standardized: With some exceptions, you can pretty accurately guess what a given action will do in a given situation.
((>>21920477))
Hell, I wouldn't putt it past them ) to actively hunt witches for being counter-revolutionary.
But maybe they do use a bit of magic in making some machines ((>>21908611)) demon-resistant, although that'd be just passive wards and the like.

>>21916847
>>21917022
>Aren't the Greys already dead though? I thought what they found was the milennia old ruins of an abandoned ship and reverse engineered half of the stuff found inside.
What if the SUPER ADVANCED ALIENS they found are not all that advanced?

I am thinking that mayhaps, they were - by Grey standards - just maintanance personell who are now using the Aussies as a means of finally getting off this damned planet.

TL;DR: They can give them some toys, but ultimately, both factions depend on each other.

Sorry for rambling.

>>21921621
On the subject of warding, maybe its not warding in the sense of magical warding, but just a reliance on heavy materials, like depleted uranium and cold iron and steel to metaphysically "anchor" the demon to this reality and weaken them, like the cold iron myth against the Fae

> There are probably schools that train their pupils to develop ESP
Awakening your Psi = instant social advancement?

>>21921671
I can see this. The Nazis and the Soviets have completely different explanations for what is happening.

Soviets: "While we cannot fully explain the Nazis 'magic', they are subject to certain scientifically verifiable effects. Experiments have shown that certain elements and alloys disrupt the energies of these "demons""

Nazi: "Somehow the Soviets have discovered the mystical properties inherent in Cold Iron and other metals, and have started to deploy them against us. They may claim to have no truck with magic, but they seem happy enough to use it against us"

>>21921737
Probably immediately fast tracked to a military academy and enrolled in a PSI training school

>>21921744
Yeah, thats a good way of putting it. So a Nazi summons a platoon of fire demons to assist an assualt, whereas a Soviet soldier would report the Nazi's have opened a dimension bridge to summon extra-dimensional allies

I would just like to say I love the idea of VATO.

In addition to just being Awesome, it does a good job of explaining whats been happening since the 1940, with the initial Nazi/Soviet surge being pushed back. IMHO a big improvement of the 50+year stasis that was there originally.

I also like the idea that in terms of style the world is a sort of mishmash of everything from 1940-2000, with some colonial era stuff and sci-fi mixed in. For some reason I get a real early 80's vib from a lot of this stuff, but that could just be me.

>>21921933
It's because its very much Cold War

>>21921965
Not just that, but its very near the end of the Cold War, and everyone is worried it will end explosively. And in the Deathworld, it just might
That should be one of the major things if you run a game in this setting, that at best your actions can delay the inevitable, that at some point the damn will break and you've got to be ready for it

>>21921783
>>21921744
>>21921671
Oh, I so like this train of thought.

GRAND HORRORS FROM BEYOND being rationally beaten by people not even fully certain of what they are doing.

>>21921737
>>21921749
Depending on how fuck-off evil you wanna make it, the Soviets might very well use gifted teens as well as adults as living weapons.

But yea, it's peobably a dream of many, many people to be a cool superhuman like the ones on TV, and The Party makes sure their services are suitably rewarded.

>>21922075

>Depending on how fuck-off evil you wanna make it, the Soviets might very well use gifted teens as well as adults as living weapons.

Obviously. "Psychic Heroes", a chinese-animated cartoon show is one of the most popular shows for children (and adults who really should know better) and features a group of spunky teenagers who use their psychic powers to battle Nazi demons, greedy capitalist liches and superstition in general.

>>21922220
Calling all Drawfags, This needs to happen.

>>21922220
This is now canon.

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>>21922220
So this in Commissar uniforms with Russian accents?

Thinking about how Canada defeats it's enemies. Picturing the Mounties using Native spirits as mounts and weapons - use of ghosts.
---

He put down the pair of binoculars. Through them, the fire was tiny. Without it, he could barely see it. It was a long way off. And they were likely on the move. Soviets, he guessed.

He sighed, his breath clouding in the frigid air. His hand went instantly numb as he removed his glove. He was alone out here, having hiked out of town. Bundled in arctic gear, it was a far cry from the Red Serge and Stetson at the induction ceremony.

The palm of his hand was already scarred heavily by blood ritual. Those scars were a mark of pride. Head to a bar, raise your hand to ask for drinks, let everyone see the subtle gesture, perhaps prideful, but dammit, they earned a little of that.

He made no noise as he sliced open his palm and expertly let his blood fall in the circle and rune. The blood hissed as it melted the snow... then burned as the last drop fell purposefully into place.

>>21922220

And obviously there's the token non-psychic, who is probably in a wheelchair, but uses technology to help the gang out.

"You, non-psychic child. You too can help out the true Psychic Heroes by working hard in the factories!"

>>21922512
>>21922220

Communist X-Men?
Yes please.

What kind of powers should exist?

>>21922452

The blood then vanished as it evaporated. The night was still. The stars and moon were bright. He shivered. He turned and there she was. She had made no noise when approaching. Though humanoid, her dark, inky eyes, alien features, skin as white as snow, dress of night - all marked her as inhuman.

"Greetings, policeman." she said, saying "policeman" with a hint of strange sarcasm. He never quite understood that. Was she mocking not being a soldier? Mocking that law was now stalking and violence? Or did her inhuman nature merely find the cadence of the words amusing.

"Greetings, Tornat" he said, using the popularized term. He removed The Gun from the holster. "We ride."

She gave a wide, fanged smiled. Regardless of how man and spirit interacted, both were united in the desire to hunt - different reasons, but the same drive.

She raised her head and gave a silent howl. The snow flurried and she changed. Where she had stood, she stood again, but as a beast of the North. It was no specific creature - jaws of wolf, antlers of caribou, muscles of bear. It was the swiftest prey when it fled, swiftest predator when it hunted.

>>21922568
He climbed atop her back. He could feel pulsing emotion below him - fear, despair, hatred. He had always heard that in the North "One does note believe - one fears". And he did fear. But he harnessed his fear.

With a movement, they were off, running as swift as a car would on a highway. The kilometres between Mounted Police and prey closed, swifter, swifter. He saw that yes - Soviets - the Arctic Brigade in white. Attempting to hide amidst the snow. But no human could hide their fear in this desolate land. By the time she was done, there were only three left, fleeing on a snowmobile. He urged her to drop the arm she was chewing on and to give chase. Soviet technology was good, and the vehicle fast. They were not catching up.

He pulled the Gun from its holster.

"Finally" hissed the spirit bound inside - a "tupilaq", a spirit of vengeance. His hate warmed the gun, rousing the spirit to wakefulness.

He pulled the trigger and a shot of eldritch green fire shot from The Gun with a howl. His mind still jerked in panic as he felt the spirit free before he calmed and maintained the leash. The spirit flew forth with terrible speed, an instrument of hate. It reached the snowmobile. There was no cries, no explosion, no crash. He tugged back and the fire returned, the spirit grumbling returning to The Gun.

>>21922677
Eventually they reached the snowmobile. The three Soviet were still there, slumped, looking like they had just decided to take a nap. He dismounted, taking his knife and cutting the jacket from one of them, looking for documents, orders. He found a few sheets of paper. The corpses themselves were warped, shriveled things, faces etched in pure horror. They were covered in frost - as if they had died swift deaths from exposure.

He pocketed the prizes and re-mounted.

"Alright" said the Mounted Policeman, the Mounted Hunter, the Mounted Warrior - the Mountie, defined by his Mount. "Let's head home."

And behind them, the tundra enveloped the soldiers, and swiftly forgot them. Such was the North.

>>21918255

I wrote this out then had to disappear before I could expand on it.

The way I see it, the Demons the Nazis summon aren't your traditional horns and cloven hooves Lucifers. They're human desire and need given form, true will to power. They're given form and being in ritual sacrifice, in which the task they're being created for is clearly set out. Any character or quirks they have comes from the summoner, who (conciously or not) imposes them on the demon when it's summoned.

Demons have no physical form, instead being summoned into objects and tools. For military use, this is often into the "hybrids", living soldiers who willingly (or less willingly) become possessed, or into corpses for some disposable cannon fodder, but it's also into tanks and planes. On the civilian side, cars often have demons bound into them, and particularly powerful ones power major cities. Demons cannot create new material, but they can alter the existing flesh or metal or plastic they're summoned into, growing new appendages or giving life to previously inanimate material.

The sacrifice itself has value dependent on how valuable the caster feels it is. Murdering a loved family member, or burning a treasured possession is powerful stuff, enough to summon horrifyingly strong and competent demons. Killing one member of a "lesser race" is enough to summon up some gutter-demons to possess a corpse or run a car. Sacrificing oneself, as in the ritual to create hybrids, is particularly effective.

>>21922709

The end result of this is that as Demonologists become more hardened to the work they do, the ease with which they can summon demons falls, as they value other things less and less, till they need whole train-fulls of untermensch from a breeding campc to perform a ritual. Old demonologists therefore fall into a support role, more often than not. Aktion GOTTERDAMMERUNG was a suppressed series of experiments by some of these burnt out Demonologists to see what effect sacrificing the one thing they still valued was. The project was shut down because that thing was the German state, personified by Adolf Hitler.

The state's official teaching is that the Demons are pretty explicitly sentient beings, who are called up and down for relevant tasks, but who retain their memories. The logical conclusion being that if you use a Demon, that Demon can later be called up and interrogated. Anti-Nazis and people tempted to use their demons for general crime therefore believe they are running a tremendous risk.

>>21922686
>>21922677
>>21922568
>>21922452

I have no knowledge of how these sort of spirits or whatever are actually supposed to work in native American folklore, but I don't really care.

This is cool as fuck.

>>21922709
Well I agree they shouldn't be the stereotypical horn and hooves types, and I love the idea of the value of that life to you being critical, I still think a link to genuine demons from Hell itself should be a part of it
Unless we read your analysis as a Swiss psychologist/intelligence officers overview of Nazi Demonology, and how he interprets it as manifesting demons of the mind

>>21922760

The spoiled bit could quite easily be true. I figure tying in traditional Christian imagery would come from the initial occult experimenters working on the assumption that they were dealing with traditional demons, and moderating their expectations as such.

Those expectations also lead demonologists to invoke demonic symbolism when they build bodies for demons to inhabit, but also to inpart a tendency towards the demonic when they summon demons. So even if a demon is summoned into a corpse to serve as a zombie foot-soldier, then that corpse might start to grow small horns and smell of sulphur. If it lasts long enough, that is.

>>21922832
I like your last example, so if you permanently bound a daemon you'd end up with a skeletal montrosity with horns and wings reeking of sulphur
On the Christian thing, maybe make that part of the weaknesses of demons? Protestantism begins in Germany after all, and if some mages believe in God they might accidentally summon a demon with a weakness against Christian artifacts as a result of "impurity"

>>21922880

Sure. I mean, the Christian underground has got to have some way of banishing these horrors back to hell/

>>21922709
>>21922715
while I agree with much of this, I think that having physical demons is necessary.
If you want to have them 'non-physical', then at least have them be able to construct bodies out of material around them. So the standard demon is a mix of metal, wood, ash, stone, and corpse meat.

>>21922880
>Protestantism begins in Germany after all, and if some mages believe in God they might accidentally summon a demon with a weakness against Christian artifacts as a result of "impurity"

Under Mythics is says that certain things are bound to location.

Make it so that everywhere where there is a Christian influence since a couple centuries, there demons can be banished using methods associated with it.

Of course... the person has to believe... so no cheap "Paint a cross on a tank and demons won't eat you" for our Russian friends.


>>21922557
>>21922512
>>21922220
I love you magnificent bastards.

>>21922903
I think the standard demon is physical
Some of the weaker ones are more like assistant golems that assemble themselves from whatever's is in the mage's lab at the time they're summoned
And some of the larger combat daemons demand forms constructed for them of blasphemous black steel cooled in the blood of innocents

>>21922893
well, Mafioso Catholic Demon Hunters are part of the setting.

now I have the idea of a canonized Mafia Don.

>>21907966
Bit more squatter and bulkier maybe?
Pic related somewhat. Just bigger

Or a combination of the two designs?

Also, any concept art of the Soviet tanks/infantry?

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>>21922928
>so no cheap "Paint a cross on a tank and demons won't eat you" for our Russian friends
True, but Stalin did allow the Orthodox Church to start preaching again during the IRL Second World War, maybe they've started again here. Pic related

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>>21922963

And like the moron i am, i forgot the pic

>>21922989
Happens to all of us, saw it once in a /co/ storytime, that was embrassing
Anyway, I can definitely see that sort of armour being used for close in work, so >>21907966 would be used to attack the city and destroy its defenders while the smaller ones move in to clear out survivors
Maybe isolate this stuff to really advanced shock regiments, designed to follow in the wake of nuclear attack, so they are hardened against radiation and the environmental damage caused, using their legs for greater mobility

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>>21922938
This is so gonna end up with Van Hellsing allusions out the ass, isn't it?
Not that I'm complaining.

>>21922967
> filename
> not "I shall ease the machine's pain.jpg"
Oh well.

As for your post, well, it's hard to say what kind of influence the sudden upsurge of superscience would have.

Would they feel less threatened by inferior religious mysticism, or would they see it as a means of stamping it out once and for all?

>>21922686
>>21922677
>>21922568
>>21922452
> I will never have a spirit bro that lets me rider on her back through the mountains.
> tfw

>>21922715
This is amazing. Canadian Mounties as Spirit Slinging Rangers. Do want. I am really digging having the "theme" of the Loyalist North be ghosts and spirits. The Tundra is scary shit.

>>21922746
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_mythology

This is a solid primer.

Best line in this entire thing is "We don't believe. We fear".

Inuit Mythology is apparently already grimdark as fuckall.

>>21923098
Hard to say, on the one hand with the Union making life better, even in small ways, for most people all of the time and generally delivering they might feel secure, but on the other the Church can now legitimately perform miracles if enough people believe
Maybe its a small underground movement, dedicated to protecting mens souls in an age where science has long since guaranteed the body
Also, your pic looks like an Australian false flag attack to me

>>21922967
Stalin only let the Orthodox Church to start preaching for practical reasons, for morale.

Wait... the Orthodox Church should basically be modified by Stalin to be The Machine Cult

>>21923161
It might be crazy enough to work...
I like it!

>>21923161
Hahaha, brilliant! That resolves the "Soviet Science Overcomes All" with the "The people need something comforting."

Someone needs to redesign the Orthodox Cross as something more mech-y.

>>21923184
Praise be unto the Great Lenin!
Praise be unto the Honorable Trotsky!
Praise be unto the Man Of Steel!
Holy shit, if nothing else this has to be some kind of elite brotherhood who protect the mind linked triumvirate

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>>21923113
that was pretty awesome.

I like the idea the wendiggo(s) also stake the North, but they aren't really allied with the Loyalists. The Loyalists (which includes the aboriginals of course) just no how to repel and avoid the Wendigo.

Because fuck Wendigo are scary

>>21923161
Maybe not so much a Machine Cult as a "Science Cult?" Where, to the uneducated masses, Science is lauded an almost mythical force, while the higher ups in society only really pay lip service to the idea.

>>21923243
At least some Wendigo should be created as the result of a valiant sacrifice. Like a team of mounties are surronded, unable to escape capture, until one of them takes it upon themselves to eat the body of one of their comrades, transforming into a Wendigo to wreak havoc on the enemy, allowing the others to escape

>>21923283
This is also awesome.

>>21923255
The people living in the countryside might not see the difference between SCIENCE! and pure superstition.

>>21923304
Thanks. I just like the idea of a team being caught by a Wendigo, unable to avoid it and about to be killed, until one of them recognises the medal it has haphazardly pinned to its own chest

>>21923161
It would be fascinating to see Christianity entirely re-written to form with Scientific Soviet views.

Jesus become "The First Communist", because he was about sharing and unity. Rome becomes a metaphor for Nazi Germany and their Italian Allies.

Maybe they even believe Jesus was actually some sort of Cyborg, the first ever Cyborg, who secretly taught men science.

Or he was an entirely artificial man, a clockwork messiah, The True Son of Science, killed by a populace who were too backwards and superstitious to understand what he represented.

>>21923243
>>21923283
>Among the Ojibwe, Eastern Cree, Westmain Swampy Cree, Naskapi, and Innu, Wendigos were said to be giants, many times larger than human beings (a characteristic absent from the Wendigo myth in the other Algonquian cultures).[9] Whenever a Wendigo ate another person, it would grow in proportion to the meal it had just eaten, so that it could never be full.[10] Wendigos were therefore simultaneously constantly gorging themselves and emaciated from starvation.

thank you Wikipedia, my idea of giant super Wendigo is actually mythological canon.

>>21923351
Maybe the older a Wendigo is, the larger, stronger and faster it is? With no known upper limit as yet, the larger ones tend to be killed faster

>>21923255
The split between people in the cities and the countryside would be quite obvious. The Soviets always made a priority of having a good and available curriculum for the people. The people left out of this would probably not know what to make of the strange powers shown by the Soviet psy-corps.

>>21923339

Wait... and the Christian Trinity! The Christian Trinity was remade and manifest in Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky. Father (Lenin, father of the Revolution), Son (Stalin who is basically regarded as Jesus) and Holy Ghost (Trotsky, who believed in unending Revolution, manifested as more of a force of revolution than a person)

>>21923377
yes, but distinctly less human.

So a 'newborn' wendigo might be able to stop himself from attacking his former comrades, like in say >>21923338 but fairly quickly they start to become nothing but monsters.

The oldest Wendigo is an almost godlike creatures. Where he walks it is perpetually the deepest winter, the time when the sun does not rise.

>>21923411
I think they'd be torn over psychics. Some see it as unnatural, the ability to peer into anothers head a sign of witchcraft
Others point out the otherworldy aura that surronds psykers when they use their powers, and its similarities to the halos in Orthodox Icons

>>21923464
The oldest Wendigo's soon gather packs to them, with the mightiest of them all alledgedly leading a horde 100 strong. If such is true, things are indeed grim in the frozen north
Interestingly, younger wendigos have also been spotted forming packs, but not in the animalistic style of their elders. Those who remember their roles as human commanders now rally their saner brethren into militia style units to harry the enemy

>>21923458
Wouldn't Trotsky be The Son, since he was Lenin's preferred Heir? Stalin can be the Holy Comrade, a force of Industrialization

>>21923411
How does this sound?

In the Upper Cities the Cult is just window dressing for the scientists. Almost literally, it how they decorate the outside of the buildings. But people are mostly educated, and know what science actually is.

In the Undercities they still have some idea of what science actually is, but some superstition has started to creep in.

And in the rural areas the Iron Cult is official, using religious symbolism to both inspire patriotism and to provide route knowledge of how to use Glorious Soviet Science.

>>21923549
Thats a good idea. And the Holy Spirit is seen as an essential part of bringing people into Christianity, so Stalin as the administrator of the three would bring people into the organisation of the state

>>21923524
nice, now we need drawfags to have a bunch of Wendigo in tattered uniforms holding rifles.

And another of a giant wendigo hundreds of feet tall, with a swarm of lesser wendigo crowded around its feet.

>>21923584
I like that, especially the notes of superstition in the undercity, as years of having to rely on one system or another has lead to fervent prayers they work being ritualised over time

>>21923616
I like the idea of them holding rifles and swords, but using them wrong, so rifles are just clubs and swords are swung wildly with no plan or defence. Like they remember that these are weapons, I used these once, but the how of their operation escapes them

>>21923625
So basically living in the less educated parts of the USSR would be like living on a Forgeworld in 40k?

>>21923678
Yeah, especially on a collectivist farm. In fact a lot of early conscript training is drilling those beliefs out of them so they can serve properly

>>21923339

Or what if the entire Bible was rewritten - same events, but different Characters and morals drawn from it?

Trotsky becomes not just The Son, in the Trinity, but a literal manifestation as Jesus. He is not tempted by Satan, but by the Spirit of Capitalism. He is not martyred by Romans, but by Germans (which is historically nonsense, but good publicity). He does not ascend to heaven, but ascends to the Troika.

Genesis is not about God creating the Earth, it is about Lenin creating the Soviet Union.

Adam and Eve represent the average proletariat workers, who live in a garden of prosperity, until Capitalism lures them to take more than their share. Thus they are exiled, and humanity must fight to regain that blessed Communism.

>>21923774
..... genius. Pure genius. The Original Sin is the Original Greed.

>>21923774
Instead of the Ark saving animals from the flood, it represents a Scientist recording their DNA to be reproduced at will.

>>21923774
Sodom and Gomorrah is a retelling of the nuking of decadent Capitalist Cities. Take your pick of which. Lot's wife looked back at the Nuclear light and was blinded.

>>21923774
I like the idea of Trotsky's ascension, maybe Stalin should have a similar one?
Actually, wait, Stalin is the Christ figure. He spreads the word of Communism, then was cut down by a foul Reich attack, only to rise again as a literal Man of Steel, reanimated by the order of Lenin, and when he finally fell again he ascends to complete the Troika

>>21923774
Instead of Angels, there are Commissars.

>>21907531
Is transylvania still swarming with vampires and Dracula loyalists?

>>21923774
Nazi's using, you know, actual DEMONS would be a gold mine of propaganda against the reich.

>>21923836
Check the map Hamham posted, and look for Transylvania

>>21923774
The miracles of fish and bread would go over GREAT with the general peasantry - it would represent Stalin giving bounties through the wonders of science.

>>21923774
Instead of Jesus (Stalin) resurrecting Lazarus, he introduces his backwards village to new medical techniques, Lazarus being saved by Progress.

>>21923836

Yup. Only they're working for the Nazis. Mostly in order to get back at the Turks, it should be said.

>>21923926
Wait, isn't Turkey allied with the Nazi's?

>>21923654
>>21923616
Have you ever known the end of a story and just tired to figure out how to get there.

Because right now I'm trying to come up with a story for the ending

"I think you made it angry Sir"
"Made what angry"
"The winter Sir. I think you made the winter very angry"
The commander grabbed the binocular away from the conscripts face and peer through them.
"Merciful Trotsky"

>>21923949
the land is, but they could have been conquered. The ethnic Turks could have fleed west and joined with the UAR

>>21923953
So basically Canada is also Finland now? Two countries that only exist because they are frozen wastelands filled with horrors and people you don't want to mess with.

I'm liking it. I can see Canadian cities being surrounded by massive walls to keep out roving Wendigo.

>>21923949

It's allied with the Nazis because it's now run by Dracula and his vampire lackies, having conquered it with Nazi help.

>>21923978

I'd say Finland's a bit more focussed on individual men and women who snipe the hell out of the Soviets, with some supernatural aid, than Canada being a lot more focussed on the weird folktales side of things.

>>21924065
This. Finland is nuclear winter Vietnam
Canada is Metro 2033 with Canadians and Wendigo's

>>21907531
Can the Irish play too?

A History of the Finland War.

After the Second World War, the Soviets still had hopes of conquering Finland. However, the Nazis entered Finland and began their own attempt at conquest. They, having to focus still dealing with the Soviets, found it a lost cause and abandoned Finland in 1950. In the wake of the removal of the fascists, a Communist government friendly to the Soviet Union was arranged. However, a rebellion against this regime nearly instantaneously emerged in the North, the Communist Government doing little to stop it. This especially increased after elections re-elected a Communist Prime Minister, most Finns believing the election to be rigged and their leader a Soviet puppet. Mass resistance began to break out.

The Communist leader was assassinated in 1963. In 1964, the Soviets, fed up with the inability of their pet puppet government to deal with the resistance, staged a false flag attack on a Russian Naval Vessel "Synpovezlo" in the Baltic. They quickly amassed a force to invade Finland, hoping to finally seize the area and put it under more strict Soviet Control. Soviet forces were large, although not the entirely of their military might, much of which was occupied in North America and India at the time.

>>21924584

I figured the Irish would have a resistance movement against their Nazi oppressers, who invaded after they ignored the Irish neutrality. Like other resistance movements, they're backed up by some folk heroes and some vague supernatural assistance. Alongside more traditional methods of resistance.

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Someone was asking about Soviet landships, is this pic a good example or do we want something bulkier?

>>21924697
In the six years from 1963-1969, the Soviet Union was heavily embroiled in Finland. Their military operations were an unmitigated disaster, a possibly even worse repeat of The Winter War. The popularity of the war amongst the Troika slowly soured, with Stalin being for Crushing the rebels and Trotsky against the loss of life. Lenin sided with Stalin but slowly began to compromise more and more with Trotsky.

Lenin eventually agreed entirely with Trotsky in 1973 and forces were slowly withdrawn. Without Soviet allies, Finnish Communist sympathizers were greatly overrun, the Finnish Resistance retaking Helsinki in 1975 and united the country under a single, anti-socialist democratic government.

>>21924705
Do the Nazi's place Irish with the British, who are "Acceptable Citizens", alongside the Dutch, Danes, Swedes and Norwegians, or are they considered "lesser", like the French, and Italians?

>>21924796
Hahaha, brilliant parallel-ing.

>>21924811
I don't know. I'd say lesser, more because the Irish responded to occupation with violence more than any racial stratification. Ireland had only been independent for 20 years or so at this point, and the Northern Irish nationalists were on the warpath as well, I can see the hated German replacing the hated English

>>21924042
It's more like Turkey is the battlefield for Vlad's incursion to the Middle East. The Arabs and Turks are fighting back.

>>21924811

A quick google can't really tell me much about their views on the Irish. I'm guessing they would be on about the same level as the British, being both of good Celtic stock, which is to say that they we aren't super Aryan ubermensch, but equally, we don't need to be exterminated.

>>21924966
The Germans could probably trace the Irish' lineage to their own. It's more a question of if they want the Irish to be thought of as part of the Master Race.

>>21925012
Its not about what the Germans think, its what the Irish think. Who does these sausage munching pricks think they are, marching in here and taking our land! Its worse than the fooking British!
I see the IRA and the UDF running a conventional resistance against the Nazi's

>>21925060

Exactly. Yet more Bizarro-world stuff. UDF and IRA fighting alongside each other against a new oppressor.

>>21925016
But are Celts considered part of the British Races?

From what I know Historically the Germans perceived it like this.

1) Germans at Top
2) Other "Aryan" races - specifically British, Dutch, Danes, Norwegians and Swedes.
3) Lesser European Races - Mediterranean and Gallic Races - Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek.
4) Lowest Races - Slavics (Russians, Poles, etc.), Orientals, Africans, Jews, etc.

Not sure if Celtic stock fits into 2 or 3

The British sure treated the Irish like they were an inferior race for a long time.

>>21925060
Irish were the target of massive racism for basically the entire 19th Century and into the 20th Century. Even if the Nazi's didn't bother with them, a Fascist British Government would oppress the fuck out of them.

Rolled 8

>>6352728
Okay

>>21925060

This guy has the right of it. I suspect that many self-respecting Irish wouldn't give two shits whether it's Royalty or a Reich telling them what to do.