Oh, and the previous thread can be found here:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/21965124/

No one? If just one or two people show up I'll get the ball rolling.

>>21981382
>>21981416

Alright, I'm here.
Lets get this going!

>>21981672

You know, that OP picture is so unremarkable and gray in thumbnail size that I always keep missing it. I've been checking Catalog for past 2 hours and somehow missed this.

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>>21981694
Maybe I should change it to this?

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Four more turns until tax season!
Twelve more turns until upkeep payment!
Warning, Moral reaching critical levels! (improving)

Employees: 26 (21 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 395 + 80 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) - 52 (Employee wages) - 200 (taxes) - 30 (upkeep) - 100 (training) - 100 (lounge) = 3 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 1 employee.)
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 8 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 4 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+10 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies three employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (One employee, small boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.

Special Offers:
A Tale of Two Brothers: There has been gossip of the two brothers splitting up, maybe you should go investigate (counts as a B)


Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
100 Tarllings: Library Upgrade, get a library in your main building. Will give a 10% discount to yearly taxes.
100 Tarllings: Flickering lights, invest in putting sets of street lamps in front of your shop, those these are ruled by heavy blood oil they will help increase the safety of the neighborhood.

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21981702
Haha, nah. It should be still relevant but eye-catching in Catalog.
Not sure about other /tg/-ers but I stopped going to 4chan /tg/ page long time ago and just use the Catalog.

Something I wanted to ask previous thread

>>21981729
>Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 4 employees)
> occupies 4 employees
When did this happen? Why do we need 4 people to man one stall, especially since they don't seem to increase revenue. Also, we've had 20$ for two turns now. Does that mean we reached the cap already?
If so, that sucks.

move 2 employees to advertise in High city where our stall is.

>>21981768
Yes it does, and someone said put more men on the stall. It only required two for the maximum output. Now you just have several employees swarming around. Also yes, you have reached the max.

>>21981742
Okay, I suggest these

>E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
Lets check out the thing with those rail-roads and see if we can get a contract there. If we manage to sell our Engine, we will have a huge, long-lasting contract.

>G) Other.
Lets develop a line of highly luxurious watches for the rich people. Gold, gems, etc. We need to diversify our main product

>>21981742
Let's do the special offer and research AC again.

>>21981790
Dang, I can't believe our small shop in the Docks is doing better than the stall in High Market.
Anyway, move those two workers to advertisement.

>>21981742
>Possible Purchases:
>100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
We already have this upgrade... or is this a double upgrade?

>>21981795
I have a ruling on the G, you can not simply get large amounts of gold and gems to make products out of. Also the tech behind it is simplistic, just replace the brass of the casings with gold. You are still a small company, to do this you'll need a fair amount of money to stockpile any amount of inventory (100 Tarllings minimum). It his however possible to do it on a commission basis, in which you have men give you money enough to create a tailored product for them.

>>21981817
it's will improve the lounge again for another boost. Each is an immediate +5 to moral plus a 5% to moral increases when they occur.

>>21981806
>Let's do the special offer

You know, considering the special offer. If we talk with Richard... then what? I'm at a loss how we will benefit from cannery business.

>>21981842
I see.
So we could make custom watches, right? We don't need to spend an action on this, yes? So lets just put that into our advertisement, maybe some people will show up.

If not, then I change my vote to >>21981806 AC research

>>21981875
Changing new advertisement and attempted putting out the word for it will count as a business venture.

>>21981916
It will? Oh well, lets hold that off for now then.

>>21981969
You gotta present me with your two options then vote on it. Right now I'm not sure what you guys want.

>>21982006
AC research is a give.

I want to do another business venture since we have no money. This time with the sailor again.
Secretary wants to do the special event.

Just to get things going, I'll change my vote to special event.

Question, how many people can set on handyman job till we stop getting more money out of it?

>>21981729

Lurked yesterday, his name was Pancho, with the "pa" pronounced as in "parts"

Also, fun stuff yesterday was imagining, researching and building magic tech stuff. From toys to machinery

>>21982032
You have no way of knowing that, the only way to find out it experimentation.
>>21982049
Well sir, don a name and join the fun!

>>21982060
>You have no way of knowing that, the only way to find out it experimentation.

I guess the same thing with advertising, right?
Okay, lets move on to the next round.

>>21982049
>Also, fun stuff yesterday was imagining, researching and building magic tech stuff. From toys to machinery

Yeah, I hope we get more ideas.
I've been thinking about making guns. There is a ban on gun powder and explosions but we still can make the bullet fly at high velocity by different means. Like binding the gun to the plane of lightning, using that electricity to power the magnets which push the bullets at high velocity. The early guns will have to recharge after a shot, which can take up to 30 seconds but with improvements we could reduce that time. Or we could load cartridges with elemental force which get released on a trigger and will push the bullet forward (essentially modern bullets).

The authorities wont be happy probably

After several failed attempts and more than a few employees passing out due to lack of oxygen Eric finally struck on an idea of how to make an air "exchange" system work. Using two portals instead of one and a small pump air could be forced through one and brought in through the other without getting the irregular mixtures that could cause decompression or oxygen starvation. He and Archibold were found dancing around the lab, their new diving helmet held high above their heads, both giddy from lack of oxygen in the room. Luckily Samantha knew enough to erase the portal rings.

==========

Archibold and Yaril head down in the new car to the office of Richard. At the end of the canneries he smell of fish hangs low in the air, and enormous whale carcasses litter the shore, where processing crews scurry around to extract precious blood oil from their glands. The secretary ushers you up to Richard office.

Once inside you see him facing away from the door, starring out through a window towards the bodies of whales.

"I've heard of you lot," he says, still not turning around, "Men who are getting far too big for their britches. A car? Fancy clothing? You think these things can fool me into see what you really are? Con artists and snake oil merchants, peddling your wares to the stupid and the decrepit." Turning around, Richard marched forward. He looked much more tired than he had in the picture out front, his eyes sunk deeply into his skull.

"I think I may have use for you. I need to get to the bottom of the bay, and no man in the magi college will talk to the son of a fisherman, and none from the Guild of Engineers can figure out how to make this work. You, a boy scorned by both, might be able to help me. If you do," he paused, hand on brow, "I'll see that you're handsomely rewarded."

>>21982198
How do you respond to Richard?

>>21982208
Oh dang, he wants submarines?

Wait, that's too big of project for now, but we can develop scuba gear especially if we apply our newest AC research.

We are businessmen so lets first get it straight HOW and how much we will be rewarded. And what exactly he wants us to do and in what timeframe. Work out a solid contract before we commit to anything.

But generally, we agree. Though we wont be sending our own men, we will get him scuba gear.

submarines no scuba suits yes.

>>21982261
"Wait, what? You're already come up with a system that can work? 'Scuba gear'," he tests the word, "Yes, yes, maybe this can truly work." The man paces back and forth behind his desk, hand pressed against his forehead.

"You understand though, we can't send our own people down there. Way too much of a risk," said Archibold, walking forward, in front of his Richard wheeled around to face them.

"I can't send my employees! Don't you see, it'll have to be your men or nothing. I won't trust this to some hired out street rats, your men have the experience with the system, and the knowhow if something goes wrong. If anything knew I was tryi--" he stopped mid sentence, and looked back down to his desk.

"Five hundred Tarllings if your are successful in getting for me what I want." His hands shook as he held onto his papers, fingers white he gripped them so hard.

"And what do you want?"

"Not yet, I will tell you when the time comes."

[] Yes
[] No
[] Counter offer

>>21982188
http://www.coilgun.ru/

>.ru Of course it was going to be .ru

>>21982345
Counter offer. 500+5% of the value of the recovered items

>>21982345
>[] Counter offer
700 taels. If he is a businessman he must be offering less than he is willing to actually pay. We could spin this as putting our men in highly dangerous situation and we need to be rewarded better.
And from what I can see, whatever it is that he wants its probably important to survival of his business or something

Also 200 in advance and we'll set to work right away.

So guys, elemental combustion engines.

It's a cylindrical container, and it must be incredibly durable. We're talking diamond stronk, with some more diamond stronk enchantments. Anyways, at one end is a portal to the elemental plane of air, at the other end is one to the plane of fire. In the middle of this cylinder is an enchanted object, suspended in the exact center. This object will have to be basically indestructible. It's job is to attract the essences of Fire and Air from the planes and draw them towards the object.

The next step is to place a limited antimagic enchantment on the cylinder. This antimagic field must be extremely specific in it's tuning, just powerful enough to make the portals stutter rapidly.

The point is that the two portals will spew forth their elemental junk every time the portal stutters. The resulting explosions made from high oxygen content and high heat will be more than enough to fire some pistons and shit.

The ignition mechanism is a simple dial that will tune up the power of the antimagic field, closing the portals completely.
Also, we need to start putting enchantments on all our shit, so that if someone tries to reverse engineer it'll just fall to pieces/deactivate

>>21982415
Oh that's great. These will be our next steps in developing our engine.

And I agree on reverse-engineering bit

>>21982391
"We'll take those five hundred, but we would like a cut of what ever profits you make from selling what you recover," said Yaril, stepping forward. His cloven hooves clicked on the wooden floor of the office. His suit had been specifically tailored to fit a satyr.

"Sell? No no no, you misunderstand me. What I am getting is not for selling... though I see you are not satisfied with my offer," he rummaged within his desk, searching from something. Eventually he withdrew a small strongbox and opened it with a key from a round his neck. Inside he counted out two Drabs (a drab is a small mithril bar worth 100 Tarllings) and tossed it across the room to Archibald.

"I raise my offer to six hundred and fifty Tarllings. If you recover what I want you shall receive the other four hundred and fifty when I have my goods in hand." he stood up straighter once more, his hand extended to shake Archibold's.

[] Yes
[] No
[] Counter offer

>>21982510
Okay, lets accept this! Seems awesome.

Also, instead of simply selling the Mythril can we use it in research?

>>21982555
We can use the mithril to make the container for our engine!

>>21982555
You don't need to sell the mithril, it's a type of coinage. Here is how it goes.

A Hook is 1/100th of a Tarrling and is a small copper disk with a square hole in the center. In a ring around it the four ruling body's of Silverdale's seals are embossed.

A chint is 1/10th of a Tarlling and is a small silver cube, each side carved with the seal of a different district of Silverdale (High Top, Midtown, The Docks, Market Ring, The Low Markets, and The Undercity).

A Tarlling is mostly what you have been dealing with, and has the face of the baron embossed on the side, it is made of gold.

A drab is a small mithril bar with the seal of the city carved into it (it's abose the side of a pinky finger)

Above drabs dealings are mostly done in elemental crystals, each worth varying amounts depending on their size and of which royal house they originate from.

>>21982510
Sure, lets accept.

So, how should the suit be designed? How independant should it be? Or more like an aqualung sort of thing?

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>>21982638

Pic related but without air tube since we wont need it.

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Three more turns until tax season!
Eleven more turns until upkeep payment!

Employees: 26 (21 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 3 + 85 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) - 52 (Employee wages) + 200 (Richard's dealings) = 241 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 2 employee.)
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 8 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 2 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 5 employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (One employee, small boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.
Unknown status alliance with Richard.

Also, we need to create sustainable energy crystals.

I imagine that if we could find a way to trap life essence into a small crystal, we would have ourselves a powerful little crystal battery to power our little portals to other planes.

So here is what we do. We do some research into mysticism, how the soul&life energy work, how to tap into these things.

We suck the souls/life energy out of some easily to breed things, like rabbits. We place this soul/life energy into a container. We enchant things to siphon off the energy slowly so that we can have sustained power batteries that will last for a long while.

Special Offers:
In Murky Waters: Finish developing the aquatic suits and meet with Richard to go under the bay in search of his item. (First requires a D costing 100 Tarllings, then a E to meet with Richard)
Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
100 Tarllings: Library Upgrade, get a library in your main building. Will give a 10% discount to yearly taxes.
100 Tarllings: Flickering lights, invest in putting sets of street lamps in front of your shop, those these are ruled by heavy blood oil they will help increase the safety of the neighborhood.

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21982658
Lets try to get some of our trademarked knowledge in these suits. We have the watch with no space requiring elemental portals for air supply, and some engine which could help give propulsion to the suit by pumping nearby water and acting as a jet.

>>21982719
Don't use the elemental combustion engine in water, it'll get very hot, very quick.

For water propulsion, a gyroscope placed on a backpack on the suit will maintain an upwards facing direction. A one way portal will be mounted on this gyroscope, with the exit portal on the backpack. With all the pressure of being down below, the water will be forced into the upwards facing portal, and shot out the back of the suit.

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>>21982663
>Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 5 employees)

So, 3 employees increased the revenue by 10$ and 5 by 15$
Okay, lets experiment. Put 3 workers from unoccupied into more advertising (I know we need free workers for the morale but this is just for one turn.) and see if we will increase revenue.

>>21982714
Special event.
>D) Research the magi-tech scuba/diving suit. Make sure it is properly tested, can resist the water pressure, has comfortable temperature and if shit hits the fan, can resurface quickly.

>E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
Lets take a look at that railroad job

>>21982764
How about an exit portal in the back of the suit, while the entry one is outside the water through which some fluid can be pumped in?

>>21982792
Hmm, we would have to force the water into the portal at that point, whereas naturally we would be using the pressure of the water above us to force it all out fast enough to be propelled.

What exactly do you have in mind though?

>>21982783
Also remember people, you need to vote. Or I close it after ten-fifteen minutes and just take whatever there is here.

>>21982764
>gyroscope

We could always put in the regular self winding engine which powers the jets.
The elemental engine could have water-cooling system to prevent overheating and cooking the wearer.

>>21982827
Fairly sure everyone agrees on R&D of diving gear. No one said anything about the second option though.

>>21982714
My only vote would be..

G) Start making it so that if our tech is reverse engineered, it'll fall apart. This is best to do early on, keeps the competition from catching up.
D) Test the suit and such

Rolled 11

>>21982898
>>21982783
And the voting is closed, seems everyone is good with the research, but we have one vote for a business venture and one for booby trapping out tech. I'll roll a d20, if it's 1-10 we go with E, if it's 11-20 we go with G.

>>21982663
>Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 2 employee.)

Shit, I didn't notice this before.
We only need one employee here. Why are there two?

Put him into handyman job

Archibold and the rest of his engineering crew head out to the bay to test their new diving suit. They had made several improvements including a system of propulsion using a small mortal to the elemental plane of water. They lower on of their more unfortunate assistants into the water wearing the large metal suit. The thing looks like it's been bolted together with what ever scrap they could find, and is covered in sigils to keep the magic working.

After a long afternoon of flapping and paddling around the bay they finally think the suit has gone through enough field tests to be presented to Richard. From inside the water their assistant gives a thumbs up using the oversized metal gloves, the signal to be pulled back onto the docks.

Just as he is being hosted back a large tentacle comes with him, trying to grab onto the boot. Luckily Eric was just able to get him onto shore before that. Archibold knew magi college dumps their run off into the bay, maybe constant high magical garbage hadn't done the creatures there good.

>>21983150
===========

"Oi, Archy." Eric sat at his work station, set of tools pulling apart one of the self winding clock work engines.

"I told you not to call me that Eric, but what?" said Archbold, where he stood, redrawing one of the summoning circles on the dive suit.

"Well, I was havin' a think. How 'bout we make it so when someone tries to pull apart our tech it falls apart. Ya know, have some kind of rust rune on there or something that triggers. Make it so others can't figure out how it works." Archibold considered this for a moment, and in the way he did when he was struck with an idea, scurried over to his work bench and began to draw up the runes for a runt spell. Eric came over to look over his shoulder.

"Ya know it might be easier if ya just taught me how to so a bit of the magic stuff." Archibold paused, his pen halfway through drawing a wizard's knot. Well, he had never considered teaching another, and he was pretty sure the college forbade it. Though he had never followed their rules anyway, beckoning Eric to watch he began to show him how to write runes.

~Eric gained a level! Now is also level 1 runesmith in addition to engineer~

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Ten more turns until tax season!
Two more turns until upkeep payment!

Employees: 26 (24 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 241 + 80 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) - 52 (Employee wages) - 100 (Materials for scuba designs) = 179 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 15 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 1 employee.)
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 9 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 2 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 8 employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (One employee, small boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.
Unknown status alliance with Richard.

Special Offers:
In Murky Waters: Finish developing the aquatic suits and meet with Richard to go under the bay in search of his item. (An E to meet with Richard)

Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
100 Tarllings: Library Upgrade, get a library in your main building. Will give a 10% discount to yearly taxes.
100 Tarllings: Flickering lights, invest in putting sets of street lamps in front of your shop, those these are ruled by heavy blood oil they will help increase the safety of the neighborhood.

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21983213
>Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 9 employees)
>Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 8 employees)

So no more increase in money here?
Decrease the handyman job to 6 employees
Decrese the advertising job back to 4 employees

put one employee back to Shops and such

>E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
Finish up our deal with Richard

>D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
Keep developing AC to regulate temperature in houses.

I'm sure there are more pressing matters, like defending the suit from Cthulhu, but maybe we could magically enhance Pancho so that he can go underwater and help the crew.

Anyways..
>>21983220
I'm voting D) keep developing climate conditioning and G) Before going into the water to finish with Richard's buisness, lets attempt to safely investigate what we might encounter so we don't lose too much.

Guys, anyone thinks that we can unlock a new jobtype now that we have diving suit?
Since we're at the docks, we could have good contractor jobs for fixing ships hulls and maybe other jobs involving uderwater.

>>21983351
At worst, we could apply the suit principles to other type of machinery.

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>>21983370
yeah, it is just few step before we get these which we could sell as powerful armor. We'd be able to stuff alot of enchantments and other shit to make it practical, light and fast

>>21983432
Now with inner AirElemental Conditioner and MagiTech time keeping! (c)

So guys, which will it be? Go ahead with Richard? Or investigate the bay to see what that tentacle was?

>>21983468
Alright, lets investigate the tentacle. We don't want to be unprepared and lose our men.

Archibold and crew again head out to the bay, but this time with trying to find out what that tentacle was in mind. On each palm of the suit a small portal to the elemental plane of fire has been placed. With these the palms are able to fire jets of boiling water in what every direction they are pointed, once activated.

During the dive they explore up and down the docks near the ships, but do not find any sign of what ever that creature with the tentacle was. Upon going back to the point they had first encountered it the man in the suit sees something. Attached to the docks, near the sewers, strange enormous whelks have adhered themselves to the wall. Each more then twenty feet across they have waving tentacles extended outwards. Even as he watches a fish swims into one of the tentacles, and is drawn towards the stationary mouth.

As long as they are careful they shouldn't be much danger of getting caught in the tentacles.

==============

The development for building sized climate control has hit a road block, Archibold is unable to figure out how to have it work over such a large area without creating hot and cold spots. (another research will be required to complete).

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Nine more turns until tax season!
One more turns until upkeep payment!

Employees: 26 (19 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 179 + 80 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) - 52 (Employee wages) = 217 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 2 employee.)
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 6 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 2 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 4 employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (1 employee, small boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.
Unknown status alliance with Richard.

Special Offers:
In Murky Waters: Finish developing the aquatic suits and meet with Richard to go under the bay in search of his item. (An E to meet with Richard)

Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
100 Tarllings: Library Upgrade, get a library in your main building. Will give a 10% discount to yearly taxes.
100 Tarllings: Flickering lights, invest in putting sets of street lamps in front of your shop, those these are ruled by heavy blood oil they will help increase the safety of the neighborhood.

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21983572
>On each palm of the suit a small portal to the elemental plane of fire has been placed. With these the palms are able to fire jets of boiling water in what every direction they are pointed, once activated.

Shit, does that mean that outside of water they shoot jets of flame? My idea >>21983432 here could be much closer than I though.

>>21983602
E) Finish the job that richard gave us

D) research the AC again

Question
>Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
>Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (1 employee, small boost to business ventures)

Does research job have different tiers of boost like Marketing does? ie: small boos, boost, big boost?
And what is the highest tier that we can get? And how many people we should put on that to get it?

>>21983610
No, they are not powerful enough to manifest flame, however research could possibly be done to make them do such. It sure is a good thing you have an alliance with a royal house of the elemental plane of fire, he might be able to help you out with such things...

>>21983649
Small
[blank] (or normal boost)
Big
Huge
Enormous

I can't tell you how many people are needed, you gotta find that out through experimentation.

>>21983649
Seconding this.

And we really need to research sustainable energy in the form of souls. If we can modify and bind a soul to something like say, a suit of armor, then we have an instant golem.

>>21983602
+1 On finishing Richard's job and finishing AC tech

>>21983688
Before we try something like that, we should be informed if it is a taboo to use souls (even animal) for magic and other purposes.

>>21983678
Alright. Lets put 2 more employees into Marketing

>>21983661
Time to research those flamethrowers. Talk to the fire elemental. Then work on the scuba suits to make pimping power armor/diving gear.

>>21983706
But even if it is Taboo, why should people have to know about it?

Just outsource the more illegal parts of soul siphoning to some underground types. We could tout the soul crystals powering said golems as unstable, possibly even have them explode when tampered with. Or maybe we would only sell to those underground types, providing them with all the mindless servants they could ever require (For a price, of course)

>>21983706
Necromancy and anything pertaining to soul binding has been illegal since the sunset war seventy five years ago.

Just realized, with some research and careful application of magic we could develop portable waterjet tools capable of cutting through steel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1YjqouRDVo

>>21983735
It just seems too much risk when we could get sustainable energy from the planes.

>>21983772
>>21983735

Nah.... I'm not comfortable with that. Why take such big risks? Besides, I'm sure someone could detect that even if we put wards on tampering.
Some personal equipment for our own use? Sure. But something that we will be selling to people? Too much risk.

>>21983731
I had forgotten about the snarky fire elemental, call him up and see if he has something to say about using his kin as tools

Archibold and Eric lock themselves together within the workshop, for the fourth time this month. The two of them are determined to get the air conditioning system working at any costs. Their first target was their own shop, and while in a way it has worked, the front room requires one to wear a rather wooly coat to stand it in comfortably now.

After days of testing they finally manage it, instead of using singular large portals they have creates meshes of smaller ones to more evenly space out the cold and hot, using removable wizard nots to turn off and on the portals.

~The shop is now more comfortable, maybe if someone important comes in they'll notice. Also gained a new item! Air Conditioning Desings!~

>>21983811
We are already magicteching, if it is just taboo and not illegal, we could be branding ourselves as the guys who go all in all the time

In the early hours of the morning the crew stands on a small boat loaned to them by Richard. Their orders had been simple, go out three hundred feet from shore, early enough in the morning so the blood fog coming off of the whale yards would still be thick in the air. A few hundred feet down would be a sunken vessel, and in the captains quarters a large metal box covered in sigils. They were to retrieve it... and under no circumstances open in.

"We're gonna open it up, aren't we?" asked Eric, doing some final adjustments on the suit.

"...I don't know, I'm still thinking about it." responded Archibold from his perch, looking over the rails into the depths below.

Their engineer was down for over twenty minutes, and some of them were afraid the suit might have failed, but eventually came back up, box under one arm. It was made of a strange metal, dark as obsidian, but covered in marking that looked like scars.

[] Open it
[] Go to Richard and collect your 500
[] Open it then try and pass it off as if you didn't
[] Other

>>21983834
It is utterly illegal >>21983772

And with enough marketing, PR and good products we can remove the magitech stigma.
Also, delving in that would make us obviously evil. Do you think our employees would accept that?

Yes, it will probably be good for a short-term gain but for a business that is planning on expanding and being around for many years to come it is a bad practice. At some point we will step on wrong toes and they will dig to find dirt, any dirt, on our company.

>>21983811

We are a business.

We can do bad, yes, but we can also do good.
And we can profit from both.

Make some necromancy soul bound golems, sell them to some disgruntled types for loadsadosh. Make a portable dispelling thingamajig that will deactivate the golems, sell it to the guards for loadsadosh.

They way you make money is by selling someone something to cause a problem, and then selling your services to fix said problem.

>>21983887
>[x] Go to Richard and collect your 500

>>21983887
>[x] Go to Richard and collect your 500

We made a deal and best stick by it.

>>21983913
>We can do bad, yes, but we can also do good.

What you just explained has nothing "good" in it. It is plain evil.

>>21983959

We just gave the guards a powerful weapon that we KNOW will work against undead constructs powered by soul gems. We'll obviously make the thingamajig we sell them actually WORK on real things, and perhaps we make the golems we sell the the underground boys defective in some way. The point is, the easiest way to make money in a war is supply both armies.

You deliver the strange box to Richard, he seems alms tin awe of it, and forces the bag of coinage into your hand before scurrying away back into his tower.

>>21984021
I really don't see why we need to make golems run off souls when the magi-tech engines would probably work perfectly well.
After more R&D we will be able to make them more efficient and smaller.

>>21984069
Job well done. Now if he releases Ancient Evil, it is his problem and not ours

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Eight more turns until tax season!
Four more turns until upkeep payment!

Employees: 26 (22 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 217 + 80 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) + 500 (deal with Richard) - 52 (Employee wages) - 30 (Upkeep) = 725 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 2 employee.)
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 6 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 2 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 4 employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (4 employee, boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.
Alliance status alliance with Richard.

Special Offers:
None

Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
100 Tarllings: Library Upgrade, get a library in your main building. Will give a 10% discount to yearly taxes.
100 Tarllings: Flickering lights, invest in putting sets of street lamps in front of your shop, those these are ruled by heavy blood oil they will help increase the safety of the neighborhood.

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21983913
The crime lords would pay without hesitation

>>21984085
The thing about an engine is that all it does is provide power.

A soul could potentially animate the object and provide power at the same time. It's potentially more efficient, more lightweight, and faster to implement than making a Magitech Mechanus.

Really I just want to get to the point where we can make Warforged.

>>21984104
725 $T? Lets buy flickering lights and a library upgrade. At least so we know what other purchases are unlockable.

Also, A) Search for a job at the docks claiming the best underwater solutions in the market
and, if possible, A) again, Search for a job in the upper city about our ambient air conditioning (show at the stall?)

>>21984104
>A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
Something something dicing suits, something something fixing ships and scavenging the seafloor.
Also, I'm sure that further research involving diving suits will be easier if we constantly make use of them. More research data.

>>21984113
Maybe we could try to become powerful and rich enough so that we can lobby the city to make a minor lift on the ban? I just don't want us to go into illegal shit when we're doing perfectly well with legal business

>>21984149
Agree on buying the upgrades.

>>21984149
>>21984172

Don't talk too much about the suit, we don't know what Richard is going to be doing with it. It'd be bad if it turns out he's trying to blow up the city and we're found as the ones who made his damn suit.

A) Try to find some job opportunities in the upper city with our Swanky New AC

D) Begin research into the Elemental Combustion Engine posted here>>21982415

>>21984195
But he doesn't have any suits, we just retrieved something for him.

>>21984219
Oh whoops, read that completely wrong.

But the point still remains that we should learn what it was he retrieved before we go telling everyone that we helped.

>>21984232
Well, we could go visit his brother.

Ok, voting is closed. Looks like we got

2- look for jobs involving out suits
2- look for jobs with the AC
1 - research elemental combustion engine.

Well, here we go.

>>21984300
and purchasing!

Just above the workshop a brand new library has been installed just above the workshops, and that entire wing of the building smells of leather whenever someone goes near it.

============

Lights have been installed out in the street, and no even late into the night the front of your shop stays lit and free of hooligans. No longer will you have to scrape off the combined might of vomit, urine, and graffiti from your store front.

============

After going out into the docks and speaking with the various captains it seems a problem has gripped the local ships. Under the water the same whelks you encountered before have been attaching themselves not to the side of the capitol but to the hulls of the larger boats instead. They need someone to go down there and peel it off, and seem willing to pay large amounts of money for anyone willing to do so.

~New Special Event Available! Alls Whelk that Ends Whelk.~

==========

In the upper city your employees go around in search of anyone who would have use for your new AC system, however it seems that those who can afford it are also well educated enough to recognize it as magi-tech, and are so very uneasy around it. You do not find any contracts in the upper city.

*SPECIAL EVENT*

One of your employees, a small elfish girl who every refers to as mousy has not shown up to work in several days.

~New Special Event unlocked, Chimes in the Night~

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Seven more turns until tax season!
Three more turns until upkeep payment!

Employees: 26 (22 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 725 + 80 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) - 100 (Buying the Library) - 100 (Buying the lights) - 52 (Employee wages) = 563 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 2 employee.)
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 6 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 2 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 4 employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (4 employee, boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.
Alliance status alliance with Richard.

>>21984438
Oh man, Elven loli in trouble? TO THE RESCUE!

>>21984484
Lets use Pancho

Special Offers:
All's Whelk that End's Whelk: It seems the local captains need someone to clean off the bottom of their ships. Go out and sell yourself to them and set up shop (counts as an E)
Chimes in the Night: Investigate the disappearance of Mousy. (Free form action, counts as a G. Specify what you would like to have done)

Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
100 Tarllings: Library Upgrade, get a library in your main building. Will give a 10% discount to yearly taxes.
100 Tarllings: Flickering lights, invest in putting sets of street lamps in front of your shop, those these are ruled by heavy blood oil they will help increase the safety of the neighborhood.

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21984499
We need to look into the elf girl.
And possibly if we bring in Pancho...might make it easier.

Also, have we done anything Illegal yet? We need to cater to our...shady clientele.

(I'm new. Let me get caught up from the last thread)

>>21984499
Do both special actions.

>(Free form action, counts as a G. Specify what you would like to have done)
Not sure what to write in before we know what happened to the girl. Lets first go to where she lives and then we'll decide from there.

>100 Tarllings: Library Upgrade, get a library in your main building. Will give a 10% discount to yearly taxes.
>100 Tarllings: Flickering lights, invest in putting sets of street lamps in front of your shop, those these are ruled by heavy blood oil they will help increase the safety of the neighborhood.

Hey! No new upgrade tiers?!

>>21984499

Chimes in the Night and Research AC

>>21984520
I am adamantly against doing illegal shit since we are managing perfectly good doing legimate business.

>>21984520
We have not done anything illegal thus far.

Also so all of you know, Poncho has reached full size. A 560lbs Bloodmane Direwolf. Still playful as hell, little guy doesn't know his own strength.

>>21984520
Welcome! I've been lurking a lot too!

>>21984499
G) Chimes in the night!
B?) Deal with the captains' issues

>>21984499
Idea!
To get the rich assholes to buy our magitech, we need to make them comfortable with our magitech.

D) Make some simple clockwork soldiers and dolls, child toys for upper class children.


And yeah, We have to save our Elf Loli

G) Chimes in the night.

>>21984499
>All's Whelk that End's Whelk: It seems the local captains need someone to clean off the bottom of their ships. Go out and sell yourself to them and set up shop (counts as an E)

I was kinda hoping it would be regular job rather than one off thing.
Oh well, we can always have few employees scavenging the seafloor

>>21984539
Oh shit, sorry. Let me add them in now (knew I was forgetting something)

100 Tarllings: Uniforms, get all of your people matching uniforms. Allows for people to more easily recognize your company. (bonus to business relations)
200 Tarllings: Market Stall, build and buy the rights to have a stall in the Lower Markets. Does not count as a building, will allow for bonus contract and new business alliances and upgrades to be opened in the Lower Markets

>>21984592
You don't know, it might be a one time thing, or could lead to a full time contract.

By the way, have we put up disclaimers say that you mess with our products they will fall apart and be unusable?

>>21984601
man.. matching uniforms. or power ranger likes. Don't care, want them.

>>21984620
That's probably a good idea

>Somebodies watch stops working
>Tries to take it apart to see what's wrong
>Dissolves into rust

Maybe we could give warranty to people?

>>21984551
Yes yes.
But what if we sell things to the people who do the illegal things?

Maybe if we get some goblins working for us to mass produce? Perhaps have some kind of Troll working the docks to make sure shit gets where it's supposed to safely?

Just...Protecting our own asses.

>>21984601

A stall in upper city cost 75 while the one in lower city costs 200?

Why?

>>21984670
Selling legal stuff to people who do illegal shit is absolutely fine by me.
We don't have anything they would want though.... yet.

>>21984675
Security measure.

>>21984675
Your stall in the upper city is more of a cart with your wares on it you wheeled up there. The lower market will be an actual large permanent stall that can not be moved. Also since the lower market is actually meant for selling in permits there are more expensive. Also the area is more dangerous.

>>21984699
Makes sense.
>>21984689
Hmm...perhaps...
Wait...guys?We can send small things from the planes WITHOUT summoning anything.

Think about this...
1: Fire Rune.
2: Watch that eventually activates said Rune from the inside. Plus, the air elemental stuff will make it grow larger.
3: Have it like a timer.
4: Firebomb
5: Military Use.

Hey Refrek! I remember playing Skeleton Quest with you a while back, as well as I think the Pokemon Civ Quest.

I'm gonna jump in starting at next turn, 'cause why not, right?

>>21984749
>>21984746
Please tell me My Pyromania would work.
Please...

Ok, it seems everyone is agreed to go out and try and find out what happened to your elfy. However the other action is split between:

Go talk to the captions
Research AC
Research magi tech toys

If you guys don't come to a conscious within five minute I'll roll for the result

>>21984746
I see. I was just curious.

>>21984749
>>21984762
I am not sure if this falls under "explosions" which are illegal to sell as weapons.
Of course, we could get the services of local Devil Law Firm and work out the legal loopholes

>>21984772
I'm sticking with the captains.

>>21984762
It would work, but you have no military contacts, and so would need to make some to sell them. Until then you're just some guys making bombs out of watches. Which is illegal without a military contract.

>>21984772
Or I can jump in now. MagiTech toys are always fun, but that's the main business venture we've got. Let's go talk to some military men and women and try and procure something of a job from them. Maybe magitech weaponry?

Think about it.
They toys we can put a glamour or something on, the kids will want to buy them, and it'll get the parents comfortable with the idea of magi tech.

It'll be a long process, endearing the people to Magi-Tech, so why not go ahead and start?

>>21984798
Hmm...Well I know what I want in the future.

I'll go with Captains.

>>21984821
sure, toys are great

but lets do it after the special events

>>21984812
Sure, go right ahead good sir Fish God.

>>21984883
I have a feeling this will be quite interesting. From reading the first thread, this feels almost steampunk so far. Cars are for nobility/wealthy, high magic world, and lots of trading. Would I be correct on that?

>>21984883
The it's Toys good sir. I'll change it to that.

I wonder if we could make tiny magitech robots that could explode...

>>21984906
Not yet. Make everyone like Magi-Tech before we weaponize it. Or at least before we SELL the weaponized versions.

>>21984936
Ok everyone, cast your votes:

D) Research magical toys

E) Go hammer out the details with the captains

>>21984950
D

>>21984950
E

Also may change out the Title in my name during this based on anything epic I happen to do or cause.

>>21984950
D

>>21984950
E

>>21984950
E)

(ha!)

>>21984950
Ok, looks like we're doing the captains.

>>21984950
D
But only if it's in the form of a talking piggy bank

Archibold and Yaril go out to Mousy's apartment, she had been staying in one of the cheap buildings on the east end of the docks. They were not sure what they would find there, and hopefully she had simply been ill for a few days.

They asked around the neighborhood and found that one of the neighbors had last seen her leaving for work early in the morning five days previous, she had never gotten into work that morning.

The two of them go back to investigate her apartment, and find that the door has been left open and the lock broken. It's not clear whether this had been done before or after she had been kidnapped, the place was torn apart, with the things strewn everywhere. Yaril notices something.

"Look," he said, pointing at a pile of jewelry on the floor, "thieves don't leave such things. Something else happened here." Upon further inspection a note is found on the table in the main room. It reads.

"Cold iron, cold iron.
Oh what shall I see?
Cold iron, cold iron.
What will be done to me?

Cold iron, cold iron.
Hear the chimes in the night.
Cold iron, cold iron.
The god had granted me his might."

===========

After sending runners to contact the various captains Archibold rents out one of the larger meeting rooms in a tavern at the end of the dock. After bringing them all together they agree that something needs to be done about the creatures on the bottom of their ships, and that it's eating away at their profits. They agree that if the company has three men working on it they will pay a handsome sum on 20 Tarllings a month (You only have one suit at the moment, making two more will cost 75 Tarllings, but will secure a permeant contract)

Do you accept
[] Yes
[] No
[] Counter offer

>>21985147
AH HELL NAH!

They kidnapped our Loli elf? Fuck no.

Get Poncho on this case.
-----------
Also...Yeah. Let's take this stuff.

>>21985147
>[] Counter offer
30 tarlings and they have a deal

Concerning Mousy. Lets hire a good detective-
>>21985173
Or using Poncho as bloodhound works too.

>>21985147
From what I can gather, cold iron is a cell, chimes in the night is a bell, what will be done could be fear and wonder at what is happening, and the god granting his might is something consecrated. So... Church torture room time? Hooray puzzlemode

>rbFisc victim
I know Captcha. I know she is.

>>21985187
They counter counter offer with 25.

>>21985206
25 $T with the boon of requesting a favor in the future.

>>21985199
So...
Cult.
Cults are bad...

>>21985206
sure, lets take it
kinda wanted nice even number, 30 taels for 3 workers. But this is good none the less.

>>21985199
Cold iron is harmful to elves too, right?

>>21985206
Take it, and build another suit.

Not a clue on loli elf tho.

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Also, just so you all know, this is what Poncho looks like now. Horns as all.

>>21985173
>>21985199
>>21985228

Also, remember guys, we're a company not a mercenary band or murderhobos. If we get close to something dangerous we should hire mercenaries or adventurers.

>>21985254
Or build some damn guns.

>>21985230
No, Cold Iron, in the proper noun form, is harmful to incredibly naturally-aligned things. Elves in the city won't be harmed like that. Unless they're Druids, which is possible. Urban Druid, and all.

D&D knowledge, never thought it would help here.

>>21985254
That's why we investigate to the best of our ability, and then hire some thugs to do our dirty work. Pay 'em off later, and maybe hire 'em on as bruisers and extra big hands and/or watchdogs. Dig?

>>21985254
So...We need to be Quest Givers?

HIRE OUR GANGS!

>>21985266
Having and making guns does not mean we are proficient at using them.
We are more or less a tech company, I don't want to risk our workers lives when we could hire perfectly good thugs from the docks.
Unless we hire permanent guards with proper training but we're too small of a company for such expenditures.

>>21985281
* HIRE OUR GANGS And sell them our shit while we're at it.

>>21985321
No, we hire them on as muscle, have them tote our gear around, and sell to adventurers then. Because let's be honest. Murderhobos make us money.

>>21985321
I like this plan.

And are there Slaves in this world? Just a question.

>>21985321
Like real quest givers!

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Six more turns until tax season!
Two more turns until upkeep payment!

Employees: 26 (25 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 563 + 105 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) - 75 (new suits) - 52 (Employee wages) = 551 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 2 employee.)
Whelk City: Three of your employees are constantly scraping whelks from the bottom of ships around the harbor.
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 6 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 2 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 4 employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (4 employee, boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.
Unknown status alliance with Richard.

>>21985335
Yes, but slaves are given rights under the Barony. They are not allowed to be abused by their masters and must be given a certain standard of living quarters and have a set date for their release in the future. More like indentured servants than slaves.

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Special Offers:
Chimes in the Night: Investigate the disappearance of Mousy. (Free form action, counts as a G. Specify what you would like to have done)

Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral

100 Tarllings: Uniforms, get all of your people matching uniforms. Allows for people to more easily recognize your company. (bonus to business relations)
200 Tarllings: Market Stall, build and buy the rights to have a stall in the Lower Markets. Does not count as a building, will allow for bonus contract and new business alliances and upgrades to be opened in the Lower Markets

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21985339
WAIT WAIT...

We don't need to hire thugs.
We have our Fire bros.

>>21985383
Don't stretch that alliance thin by asking them to help with some street thugs.

Those fire bros are Noble, we need to lick their boots while we steal their money.

>>21985374
G) Ask our noble friends for cool Private Investigators

D) Further research on the Ralland Engine


Purchase: Uniforms:

>>21985374
Ok...Then with slaves I say we have this.

Now...first when we get them. We have them work the basics of the tech. Having them sign something saying 'we won't share the stuff blah blah' and then after the time is up. We offer them a job,

1: Workers
2: Experience without paying them.
3: ???
4: Eventually no more slavery and we're seen as awesome masters and eventually fight for no more slavery.

>>21985374
G) Special action.
The MC is a part wizard, right? Can we use any magics to locate her?
Use Poncho to track her, if this proves futile, hire the services of an investigator.
Hire some mercenaries if we feel there is fanger.

>Employees: 26 (25 occupied)
Oh shit.
>C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
Aiming for 9 people because we have a cap of 35 employees

>>21985408
I agree with this

>>21985416
You. You have just ascended to Chaotic Good. Chaotic because dickassprofiteering, Good because nomoreslavery.

Also second him.

>>21985408
Not saying they have to personally do it.

Besides...if they have nobles. They probably have some kind of Monster or some super tracker or PI to help us. Just ask to borrow them or some shit.

I mean...what are friends for?

>>21985411
The Ralland Planar Combustion Engine.

I like this.

I like you.

Also, seconding

>>21985430

We should use our connection for such a minor thing. Come on man.

>>21985426
The main character was educated at the magi academy and has actually completed his training (was going into higher studies concern rune crafting and artificing when kicked out). He is very good at elemental magics and creating magical equipment. Divination is however not his throng suit.

Also magic in this world is not the "I shoot a fireball at you" kind, but the "I draw a whole bunch of diagrams and meditate for a few hours to rip a small hole in the dimensional wall, so I can shoot a fire ball at you through it" kind.

>>21985456
Dude...Minor thing? Not cool...she's our Elf Loli...

>>21985470
Ok everyone, I gotta go grab a bite to eat. I'll be back in like twenty minutes. Please try to have a finalized set of choices and purchases ready for me when I get back so I may write it up.

>>21985482
Come on man, we didn't even know we had an elf loli before this.

>>21985490
A second buying office uniforms

Bring out the mercs and adventurers!

>>21985503
Yes, quite.

OOH. We could do a bit of Alliance-Forging with the Crime Lords, and give some of their men a bit of a "legal fallback" job/alibi, as well as a bit of funky gear to tinker with while on the job, under the right circumstances (they'll be supervised), and we can stage a bit of a showing for anyone interested in sponsoring the further development of MagiTech Arms and Armaments. Adventurers will FLOCK.

>>21985490
alright man, I'm going to bed, and catch up tomorrow. Be sure to post if you are keeping it up tomorrow too.

>>21985502
Doesn't make things better...allowing a poor loli to be kidnnapped.

Two other things about bringing our bros in.

1: IT shows that if you FUCK with our company...we're bring the heat. (Pun intended)
2" People are going to work for someone when they feel safe. People will bust down our door after hearing this.

>>21985411
>>21985502

Lets get those, we need to improve our image!

>>21985548
>1: IT shows that if you FUCK with our company...we're bring the heat. (Pun intended)

We will look like retards. We can get some nasty mercs to give the kidnappers an early retirement.

As >>21985408
>Those fire bros are Noble, we need to lick their boots while we steal their money.

>>21985374
Chimes in the Night and Research the engine.

>>21985548
Lets try more convenient approach before we use our big guns.
Also, there is absolutely no guarantee that they will help as you think.

>>21985615
So as I am seeing it we're going to do something about the kidnapping, but we torn between investigating on our own with Poncho at our side and then hiring mercs once things turn dangerous, and calling upon our alliance with the House of Ash for some extra muscle.

and

Researching the engine

Also buying uniforms.

>>21985687
do not use the alliance with house of Ash for something that we don't even know how dangerous it is.
We could be asking for help that for them is on the rats-in-the-basement tier

>>21985687
Ok, that's one vote for no House of Ash. Anyone else want to weigh in?

>>21985732
Go mercs and poncho!

>>21985732
MAKE IT two votes.

We need to save those allies for later.

>>21985713
Maybe ask them for advice instead?

>>21985755
Nah.
Not even for that.

>>21985755
If it becomes serious, we should consider, but not at this moment!

Archibold and Aric look for new ways to improve their engine, and come up with an idea using pressure differentials to move a piston back and forth. It was the same idea behind most steam engines, except replacing fires and builders with two portals. There was a lot of fine details to work out before a practical prototype could be constructed, but the idea is there.

~Closer to inventing new form of engine! Need to research again for more results~

=========

New uniforms have been bought, y'all are lookin' snazzy now!

=========

Archibold and Yaril finally decide that they need to do something about Mousy. They return to the apartment, but this time bring Poncho with them to see if he can sniff something out. The enormous animal gets looks as they go to the apartment, but with all the oddities that are frequently seen around the docks no one pays them any heed beyond that.

Once inside Poncho sniffs around, and eventually finds a scent, leading them back outside. They follow the dog on a pathway back towards the shop, taking many shortcuts through the back alleys.

"Why did she go through here?" commented Samantha.

"The lass grew up on the wharf, probably feels safer back here than out on da streets. Stayed in the slipways most of 'er life," commented Eric as they followed Poncho. Suddenly he stopped, sniffing around a small area behind a building, then turned and went off in another direction.

They followed the dog for several more blocks before stopping in front of an old abandoned building, a warehouse on the edge of the docks. Dust filled the windows.

> What do?

>>21985841
We knock, like good businessmen, of course. And then get behind Poncho because hugiant dog-beast can save us.

>>21985841
Anyone else want to weigh in, we need opinions on what course of action is to be taken.

>>21985875
I agree with Kain.

>>21985841
look through windows

>>21985927
Okay this first THEN we do what I said earlier. No sense in walking into an ambush totally blind.

>>21985841
Ask around to find out more about the building.

>>21985940
Seem raisinable.

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>>21985927

>>21985940

Well, if we are going to knock, lets peddle some watches.

Though I do not feel comfortable without more backup.

>>21985990
We have an almost 700 pound Direwolf with us. We're good. Plus, we have Yaril in case we need to sweet talk anyone.

Ok, we have three for looking through the window, then knocking. Here, we go!!!!!

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Archibold and Yaril look through the window (Eric attempts to but is defeated by his natural dwarfiness). Inside rows of derelict crates stretch from one end of the floor to the other. Though not much can be seen through the forest of boxes the foreman's office, situated on a high platform at one end, has a light on.

Moving to the door they knock, and wait thirty seconds, when no one answers Archibold cautiously opens the door. Once inside they begin to look around, and find footprints on the floor, and one set of which are being dragged. In the center of the room a magic circle was drawn, and all the footprints disappear there. Whoever took her used a portal to teleport away, the coordinates of the spell were unfortunately washes away as well.

"The signature!" exclaimed Archibold, a magi would not be able to get rid of their hand on it, the coordinates could be scratched off after the portal was anchored, but the name needed to stay the entire time.

Dark ink spelled out the name in Glyphs.

"Richard, Richard Platard." The group returns of the office unsure of what to do, it seems that Richard was the one who cast the spell, and him men the ones who opened the portal.

~ new stage of special offer accessed! Chimes in the Night = Prince of Cold Iron~

>>21986078
Time to hire thugs and go have a meeting with Richard.

>>21986078
Go ask Richard if there is another job we can do for him, and look for clues while remaining unnoticed

Ralland's Magical Supplies:

Five more turns until tax season!
One more turns until upkeep payment!

Employees: 26 (25 occupied)
Special Employees
Eric Dustborn (experienced engineer)
Yaril "Toad Eater" (diplomat)
Poncho the Direwolf (trained dire wolf)

Inventory:
Improved Watch Designs
Self Winding Engine Prototype
Contract with Elemental Royalty

Coffers: 551 + 105 (Jobs) + 10 (Jussic maker) - 100 (uniforms) - 52 (Employee wages) = 514 Tarllings.

Buildings: Small office on the edge of the docks.
Eric's garage in midtown.

Current Jobs: Shops and Such: Selling several different magi tech goods. (Brings in 20 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 2 employee.)
Whelk City: Three of your employees are constantly scraping whelks from the bottom of ships around the harbor.
Cannery Row: Two of your employees are constantly running between the cannery factories searching for someone who needs a repair (30 Tarrlings per turn, occupies 6 employees)
Fish out of Water: You now have a stall in the upper area of the city, selling your good to the local lords (20 Tarllings per turn, occupies 2 employees)
Advertising: You have several men out on the streets passing out flyers, this brings in more customers (+15 Tarrling bonus to sales, occupies 4 employees)
Research: Four employees are constantly set upon researching new products, toiling away in the workshop. (4 occupied employees, boost to research)
Marketing: A man constantly watches the eb and flow of consumerism, who is purchasing what, and more importantly, why. (4 employee, boost to business ventures)

Alliances: Small non-aggression pacts with the local spice merchants of the merchant lords and the local street gang known as the Gubbin Grabbers.
Strong Alliance with the captain of The Maiden's Fancy.
Alliance with Midtown Currier Co.
Strong alliance with the Royal House of Ash.
Jeopardized status alliance with Richard.

>>21986078
DUN DUN DUnnnnnn

Awesome, helping the guy get some clearly evil artifact came back to bite us. I'm loving it.

Special Offers:
Prince of Cold Iron: Investigate why Richard would have taken Mousy (Free form action, counts as a G. Specify what you would like to have done)

Possible Purchases:
300 Tarllings: Expand the business into a second building, specify what location the building should be in.
200 Tarllings: Buy yourself and your top employees into this year’s Merchant Ball. Will surely spell some good contracts.
100 Tarllings: Employee Lounge upgrade, will help your employees relax and increase moral
easily recognize your company. (bonus to business relations)
200 Tarllings: Market Stall, build and buy the rights to have a stall in the Lower Markets. Does not count as a building, will allow for bonus contract and new business alliances and upgrades to be opened in the Lower Markets
100 Tarllings: Self Defense Upgrade, Get all of your employees basic self defense training. Will help prevent break ins.

Action Points: TWO
What will you choose to do?

A) Search for a job (Specify a type, you're a magi tech selling and manufacturing company, try and go off that.)
B) Company alliances. (Specify whether with the crime lords, the merchant lords, or the baron's subsidiaries. Occasionally special offers will open up.)
C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)
D) Research into a new product for the market. (Specify what you would like to research)
E) Business venture (Can be either legal or illegal. Fill in what you would like to do.)
F) Investment (Fill in any business that can feasibly exist in the capitol, later I will provide special offer specifics depending on your specialization)
G) Other.

>>21986090
Let's get the police first.
We are not the murderhobos.
And NOT vigilantes.
Let's not drag put name through the dirt.

>>21986150
We can still hire thugs and have them flash our gear to the adventurers.

>>21986123
>Prince of Cold Iron: Investigate why Richard would have taken Mousy (Free form action, counts as a G. Specify what you would like to have done)

Perhaps we need to hire some cannon fodder just in case. couple of thugs to act as meatshield if things go bad.
Good thing we can throw around some magic too so we're not totally helpless.
>>21986150
Might work but I wouldn't put my trust into guards.

You know, maybe we should visit his brother and ask him what the box could have been?

>C) Hiring time (Search for new employes to fill the company's ranks)

Need more workers. Get 9.

>>21986168
What gear? We just have watches and AC.

>>21986150
I'm in agreement on this.

G) Go to the authorities and alert them that there is a man with a potentially dangerous artifact on the loose.

D) Continue research into the Ralland Planar Combustion Engine,

>>21986185
Soon.

>>21986168
We have watches and shit. Eh...not really useful...

A: let's see if we can get government contracts.

D; let's try to make a more Sturdy car. Like.. somethin able to take a hit or hit back?

>>21986168
Actually, there are several guilds of monster hunters (outside of the side there are giant eldritch monsters that constantly need slaying due to large amounts of magical radiation) who are the closest you would get to your classic sort of adventurer. They however take thousand upon thousand Tarlling contracts to slay enormous beasts and are out of your praise range.

The rest of them are how most people would view adventurers, a bunch of homeless mercenaries who occasionally come to town in search of the bottom of the barrel contracts the guilds won't take. They are not always honest and will sometimes sell people out to a higher bidder. They're the weapon of the desperate.

There is also the various gangs of the Lower City. You don;t have contacts with any specific ones, but a group known as the Flash Mob (all those who do not belong to a specific gang but are current;y in the process of proving themselves) where gang members come together to get contracts to prove themselves to the real gangs and mafia clans.

>>21986231
Is there a Drow mafia?
And where would slaves be and how would get them for their education/future job if they want?

>>21986231
Also, the Toppers (police force of the city) are famous for corruption, taking bribes and working more for the rich than for the people. This has been going on ever since the Baron of Silverdale went into seclusion years ago.

They really need a Vimes.

>>21986279
Slaves can be purchased at a slave market that is held every six turns. You need to get contacts however to get into the bidding house to buy them.

>>21986279
Yes there in fact is, they were an old royal house from the northern Spine Tops who were forced from their home when Ichaku, Lord of the Three Peaks, destroyed their hold and estates (Ichaku is a giant living creature of rock and crystal created from exposure to intense magical radiation)

>>21986304
And...we would do that by the Ball.

Damn. How about we find honest folks? Maybe someone in a 'family gang'? Then we be buddies with them.

I'd enjoy drow mafia backing. (rich and they'd like our goods.) Or dwarves. Cause. You can normally trust them.

>>21986231
Lets hire some people from the flash mob to look for Richard.

can we please just go to the authorities?

"Hey guys, there is a man with a potentially city threatening artifact running around below, care to help us find him?"

They're the guards for a reason, people!

>>21986371
I say brother first. The dude was skinny like bones.. maybe a sort of sickness/addiction.

Bro first please.

>>21986392
We GAVE him the artifact.
And he PAID US.
So.. we sold him a weapon that could murder thousands(possibly) that'd be bad to tell the cops.

>>21986419
Unless we tell the cops the honest truth about having procured an artifact without knowing what happened. We can even use this to establish a contact with the authorities, offer them some assistance with our technologies in the future if they look past the fact that we DID kind of get him the box.

>>21986419
Muah ha ha ha! It is delicious to watch you all squirm.

Present thy votes:

A) Go to the authorities
B) Hire out to the Flash Mob
C) Ignore it entirely and hope it goes away
D) Go ask Sarric for help from the Royal House of Ash

>>21986396
yeah, lets check by his bro
then we will go with couple of hired meatshields and go to richard.

One turn takes a month, right? Why can do all of this with no problem.

>>21986443
Go to Richard's brother.

>>21986443
As yes, E) Go to Richard's Brother.

>>21986443
A

>>21986476
>>21986467

Lets go to his brother!

>>21986443
D.

They'd be best to deal with an artifact. Plus they'd know what tge riddle ment.

>>21986467
Actually I have changed that. 4 turns = 1 month. I did this because it fits much better with how I have been displaying the time in game. Also, so mousy hasn't been gone for three months... just a few weeks.

>>21986504
well, still my point stands. We can do all of these in one turn withing the narrative.
Check on brother, ask authorities for help and if they refuse get some thugs and visit Richard.

Can we call for Sarric whenever we want or do we need to do some special ritual?

>>21986527
Sarric requires a ritual. Also, I have to limit your actions per turn, you must choose one of those (I'll allow talking to the brother as your action, then your reaction, a non point taker, to be either authorities or thugs)

>>21986467
Richard's brother

>>21986553
BROTHER -> AUTHORITIES

All in favour say "Aye"
All opposed say "Nay"

>>21986553
lets talk to his brother then

>>21986567
Bro it is.

You go to hire once more, dusting off the "help wanted" sign. Only six people arrive however, but you hire them on the spot. One shows signs of special talent, a Rock Troll named Grac, who is extremely burly

~ special employee Grac, decreases chance of break ins~
======

Since the brothers split up Moxxin has been living the high life, he has sold off his assets and instead decided to remove himself as far as possible from his brother. Once Archibold and co. arrive in the car they are greeted by his butler, an indentured servant, who ushers them inside.

"What is it you wanted to talk to me about?"

> How do you respond?

>>21986602
(I am bad at diplomancy. I leave this one to you gents.)

>>21986602
>~ special employee Grac, decreases chance of break ins~
Awesome, our own bruiser.

> How do you respond?
Well, lets start by saying that this involves his brother. Ask him about him and if he had been acting strangely lately and how. Then ask him about the thing that we retrieved and what he knows about it.

>>21986602
"Your brother had contacted us about an artifact from a sunken bit. Our problem is...we would like to know what sort of thing he'd be interested in."

>>21986602
This is in regards to a certain box we are looking for, and our sources say you may know were it is. (describe the box we recovered)

>If they broke up and the one brother went after the box, they probably broke up because of it.

>>21986602
So... It looks like your brother Richard is fucking up Lolis again. Wazzap with that?

>>21986637
>>21986645
Don't give away too much information guys!
For all we know, the brother could be in on it.

>>21986659
Bleh, I doubt it.
Just a hunch, I don't have anything to back this