>Empire actively cooperating with the Thalmor.

That's like saying Poland actively cooperated with Nazi Germany. There's a difference between two countries voluntarily cooperating with each other and "Do what we say or we'll murder all of you."

>Racist shits
>MUH tradishonul nord values to murder people
>Ulfric is just a power grubbing faggot
>MUH TALOS, who everyone worships anyway and the Thalmor only started paying attention because of cries of MUH TALOS
>Total lack of subtly, doesn't realize the Empire is just buying time until it can smash the Thalmor

And you're not even playing a Nord.

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>>22117884
>>22117930
>>22117944
>Trying to find depth in Skyrim.

>>22117960
It's /tg/, ma'am. It's what we do.

Fucking Stormcloaks. I'm tempted to join those Thalmor fucks just to have an excuse to murder Nords.

I'm pissed that a faggot like Ulric ended up in Sovngarde.

>>22117995
I know, right?

I thought Sovngarde was reserved for warriors, not whiny bitches who murder children because MUH TRADISHUN.

>Total lack of subtly, doesn't realize the Empire is just buying time until it can smash the Thalmor

>implying the thalmor don't know that and already have sleeper agents in the legions upper echelons

>>22118026
>Implying High Elf faggots will predict the return of the Septim line.

I hope you knife-eared cunts have a metric ton of lube because I hear rape by dragon god is pretty painful.

>>22117944
But I am Human.

Well, I was helping Empire entire TES series, and now you expect me to turn my back on it just because it is in bad position? And besides, I started every damn game being in Empire prison, why should I be mad on them?

ah, i just overthrew the empire yesterday on my stormcloak character, i hated it the whole time and ulfric is still a bitch, i was just curious about the story. also, what kind of a hypocritical xenophobe like him gives you an ELVEN sword as a reward? nice values and morals there, ulfric.

I just sat a ceasefire treaty with General Tullius and Ulfric Stormcloak.

I sided with Ulfric and told the Thalmor bitch to get lost. I'm an Altmer wearing Thalmor robes. There's only room for one arrogant elven negotiator at this table.

>>22118042
You're some kind of half elf. And you're a mage, which most Nords hate.

Septims are gone. That's why I hope that Bethesda in their crafty guile will maybe make the PC from skyrim the new emperor in later games, but that would be hard to reconcile race and gender, even for Bethesda.

>>22118054
Yeah! He should kill all elves and destroy anything remotely relates to them! Otherwise he's just a lousy hypocrite and nobody wants to support him.

>>22118071
Dragon Break.
Done.

>>22118071
>Implying they won't just have another Dragonborn do it, or have the statue of Akatosh give birth to Martin.

>>22118046
Because its not the same empire. Like when Rome switched from Jupiter to Jesus. Doesn't have the same soul. I actively support the empire in other games, but just notbthis one

Ulfric Stormcloak is a coward. He challenged the High King to honorable single combat and then killed the man with a Thu'um, defiling the ancient ways of the Greybeards by treating them as nothing more than an assassin's poisoned dagger. He might as well have been a dirty wizard slinging fireballs, and he has the NERVE to talk about Nords standing up for their traditions?

Nords don't solve their problems with spells and half-truths. What he did was something a Thalmore would PRAISE as being wise and prudent methods. That should tell you all you need to know.

>>22117884
Thank you for confirming only illiterate dumbasses join the Stormcloaks.

>>22118084
Thats not what im saying. The whole time he gives off this image of "nord superiority" and he hates the high elves, so....why would he give you an elven sword as a reward for defeating the empire?

>Implying Ulfric isn't the Thalmor Manchurian Candidate.

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Surprised no ones mentioned OP's reference to House Telvanni

>>22118102
>why would he give you an elven sword as a reward for defeating the empire?

You were low level when you completed the quest?

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>>22118026
>Implying Ulfric isn't a Thalmor "dormant asset"

>Ulfric isn't racist
Even if he himself isn't, the Stormcloaks are obviously a xenophobic group. It's easy for you to look the other way Breton when YOUR people aren't living in slums or on the docks of Windhelm. The Stormcloaks want any non-Nords out of Skyrim, no matter how long they've lived there.

A united Empire is the best way to defeat the Thalmor, not an independent Skyrim hostile to the Empire. Skyrim would only be able to protect itself, if that, against the Thalmor; not bring the Dominion down.

>>22117884
Please learn to spell.
Friendly sage for noncontrbution.

>>22118107
I've not played Dragonborn yet, I guess it would come from that.

>>22118093
also, this, ulfirc brought a gun that no one knew hre had to a knife fight, if he would have fought him normally and won, i would support him in all playthroughs, but fuck him now with his bullshit, i killed him with my even more powerful thu'um just to spite him.

>>22118102

Because he's working for the elves. Check Wikileaks for secret internal Thalmore documents that prove Ulfric is in their pocket.

Also, the Daedra are ANCIENT ALIENS. HOW DID THE MER KNOW WHAt A TRIANGLE EVEN WAS, HUH?!

Why my independent Argonian went pro-Empire

>I am Dragonborn
>I AM Tiber Septim reborn
>I AM TALOS
>This is MY empire
>These pathetic Stormcloaks want to rend apart MY empire while the Thalmor dogs trod over my birthright!?
>Ulfric and his dogs are mere obstacles in my path of returning my land to it's former glory

>>22118109
yeah, since i had already gone through the empire side of the quest on my main profile at like...level 40 or something, i played through with the stormcloaks because i needed something to do apart from the main dragonborn storyline. i assume waiting would be beneficial tonthe reward though

>>22118125

Didn't the Argonians unite under a new kingdom and take over half of Morrowind? Are you planning to take that stuff back or are you cool with them stealing your shit because they're your Liz-Bros?

>>22118148
DAMN RIGHT I AM!
My empire WILL be reunited! Such a shameful display that my own people have degraded into nothing more than petty slavers.

>>22118125
>>22118169
>argonian
Disgusting. Never have I encountered a competent argonian in TES series. They are either thieves, murderers or complete morons.
Come on, give me examples of competent argonians. I can only remember a shopkeeper and her daughter in Chorrol. And even then I had to save her because she is a dumb moron.

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>>22117944
lel

Pic related. It's why OP is very much in the right.

>>22118017
>ulfric
>murdering children
[citation needed]

Besides, the Thalmor are going for complete genocide of man and beast races. A little more heinous in my book that killing children.

Why my Argonian didn't give a shit
>I am the crime boss of all of skyrim
>happily married
>No gods for old thieves
Ignore politics, acquire septims.

>>22118208

Pretty much EVERYONE is Elder Scrolls games are incompetent. Thats why they need you.

The Thieve's Guild quest in Skyrim is one of the only ones I can remember where your NPC sidekicks weren't complete idiots, and even then they still needed you to find out everything, fix every misunderstanding, solve every problem, and rebuild their entire organization.

Everyone was assholes, I just to conqueror the world with my Dovahbros. Fuck the Blades.

I don't know what Ulprick's problem was with the Emperor anyway. When I murdered him he seemed like a pretty awesome dude.

>>22118258
>see
>>22118231

>>22118258
Yeah, he seemed pretty cool.

I still remember the documents in the Thalmor embassy clearly stating that a prolonged rebellion was their desire, and a complete victory of either one of the forces would be a problem.
Thus, ensure Skyrim becomes independent allows the empire to consolidate their forces, no longer having to garrison the north, while the Nords can form their own armies. Voila, the Thalmore just got two threatening enemies instead of one.

>>22118270
Weaker than the sum of their parts.

Ulfric is just a racist, thalmor puppet. For all the cries of "muh Talos," he sure seems to enjoy tearing down his empire.
And traditional Nord values are full of shit, I let Tulllius kill that bitch, then stole his clothes and threw his corpse down some stairs.

>>22118290
Some of the books ingame even had something about legions being called back to defend the capital, leaving the other provinces open for the taking. Look what happened to Hammerfell.
Sure, a huge, unified force would be better, but since the empire was already pretty gimped, that obviously wouldn't happen.
But with several smaller factions in conflict with the Thalmor, they risk getting flanked by armies from other regions if they do choose to strike at someone.

>>22118316
> I let Tulllius kill that bitch, then stole his clothes and threw his corpse down some stairs.
A true player character

>>22118290
Except they're not weaker. It's a united North, which can then bro up with Hammerfell (which drained the Aldmeri coffers in their attempt to reclaim it, and are easily the hardiest warriors in the world), get the Dunmeri exiles on board (they're not exactly fond of the Thalmor), get the Orcs on board (who have been shat on for quite a while, and are always ready for a good fight), talk to the Bretons (who aren't exactly happy with the Thalmor), and suddenly it's not two armies, it's 5 NOT COUNTING the Empire, which doubtless will also want to get in on the whole Thalmor-killing thing once it takes off.

>>22118270
>your "logic"
Hey guys, let's absolve the military and give every soldier sovereignty! Instead of one enemy, they'll have tens of thousands!

>>22118093
He used the Thu'um to shout the sword out of Torygg's hand. If the High King would have been a more competent fighter, he would have won. In my view, Ulfric is the rightful King of Skyrim, but his separatist policies are pants-on-head.

In my last playthough I just let the truce stand because both factions sucked in their own special way.

>>22118316
>To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.
>To achieve this goal, we must:
>1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.
>2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.
>3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit.

And you would defend them and call the only man that stands between us and extinction a racist for doing what he must?

>>22118349
I don't get what's so hard to understand about unification.

See:
>>22118339
>>22118231

The Thalmor don't stand a chance with Ulfric as king.

>>22118325
>>22118339
It'll always be weaker, than a united front.

>But they might bro it up wit-!

Or they might pick a fight, or be worried that while they try to fight the Thalmo others are just going to come a grab big slices of skyrim pie.

>>22118349
Derrrrp, imma rustling my limbs of straw.

Ulfric was incompetent enough to get captured twice and Windhelm is shitty as all fuck. That faggot shouldn't be ruling anything.

>>22118362
But there's no reason whatsoever to pick a fight. Hammerfell waged war by itself against the Dominion long after the Empire fell. And this doesn't even bring in the Hist, which flooded so many millions of Argonians through the Oblivion gates that their bodies choked off massive planes of Oblivion and the gates in the Black Marsh had to be closed.

Nobody but the Thalmor gains anything from conquering Skyrim. Hammerfell? What do they want? They have their own land, and plenty of it. The Dunmer aren't numerous enough. The Bretons stay in High Rock. The Empire has already been bested. There's no reason to not forge an alliance, and every reason to avoid staying fragmented and letting the Thalmor continue their dirty work.

>>22118362
It's all just guessing, sure. But what is for certain is that it would screw the Thalmor plan of weakening the empire and the provinces with prolonged civil wars, and create a uncertain quagmire of belligerent factions all looking for a opportunity to get back at them rather than one empire all too easily crumbling from a strike at it's capital.

>>22117930
Less Poland, more Vichy

>>22118330
after i killed him, i would drag his unclothed body on the table in front off all the displaced jarls

>>22118351

Bullshit. At BEST Ulfric used the Thum to knock the man off his feet, probably crippling him, then stabbed him in the back while he was face down on the ground. He probably thought he was SUCH A BADASS for using his fucking magic trick to blindside the guy and then butcher him while he was helpless with his dirty elf sword.

At WORST he outright murdered a man with magic, stabbed a corpse and claimed it was honorable single combat so he could rabble rouse the malcontents who want an excuse to murder elves who TOOK DER JORBS and think being independent from the empire sounds edgy and cool.

>>22118385
Plenty of people gain, land is land. And what of the Empire? They wouldn't just give up.

>>22118388
Having Skyrim remain in the Empire would fuck with the Thalmor plan even more. A mess of factions would sooner fall to infighting.

>>22118416
Looks like we've got a Thalmor agent in here.

>>22118424
The Empire would have no option BUT to give up. And no, having Skyrim remain in the Empire gives that Thalmor an in so they can keep persecuting Talos worshipers and infiltrating the Jarls. Squashing dissent and spreading propaganda about "tolerance" and "racism" will let them erase Talos from the mythos, slowly but surely. And then they can start to unravel Mundus.

>>22117884

I was 100% ready and rearing to go to join the stormcloaks until the prick second in command asked why a non nord character would ever want to join them.

Thanks to that racist prick I went to the imperials and killed every single important stormcloak character right there.

>>22118469
>important stormcloak character

except all of the generals at the assorted camps, goddamn that shit pissed me off that there were some people you just "couldn't kill"

>>22118454
>The Empire would have no option BUT to give up.

No they wouldn't.

>And no, having Skyrim remain in the Empire gives that Thalmor an in

That they only started to heavily exploit because of Ulfric and Stormcloaks whining about Talos.
He was in no danger of being forgotten, people just didn't do it in public. Hell Whiterun was Imperial and they've got Heimskr ranting like a madman.

>>22118316
I wish I could throttle you and all the dumb shits who think like you

The Empire is -gone-. Morrowind is gone, Hamerfell is gone, the Bosmer and Khajit, the fucking -emperor-, they're all fucking gone already. All that's left is Cyrodil and it's hollow cosmopolitan posturing. It's fucking -done-, and a weakened, hollowed out shell of an Empire isn't going to do shit against the Thalmor, especially not when it's number one gameplan is "do everything the Thalmor say" jesus fucking christ. If Stormcloak gets his country together and out of that wreckage, it's natural for the two human factions remaining to consolidate. Talos was a Nord. When the two most powerful nations on Tamriel team up to stomp the Altmer into the snow and sand, you fuck the power grabbing Bretons are going to stand idle? As soon as the Thalmor are dealt with, what's that alliance going to do but form another alliance behind Ulfric, a second Empire in all but name?

Jesus fucking christ. What's the issue? "Baww he cheated in the duel against the Empire puppet"? Seriously? Dude trains on some mountaintop monastery for years disciplining himself to emulate the god damn Dragonborn, proving ultimately he has exactly the right mix of conviction, discipline, resourcefulness and tenacity Tamriel -needs- to stand against the Thalmor and jesus fucking christ what is wrong with you people

>>22118482
They've been heavily exploiting for a long time. They had to, to get where they are now.

>>22118483
The Empire isn't dead, but the Thalmor are trying by splitting it up with Ulfric Assetcloak. Individually twigs snap easily, but bind them together and it becomes difficult. Tullius basically comes out and says the Thalmor are next.

>>22118483
What's wrong with those people? They're not people, they're elven scum. Thalmor agents.

That, or they're absolute retards that bought into Imperial/Thalmor propaganda because they can't open their fucking eyes to see what's happening in front of them

>>22118454

Stormcloak acts like the Empire WANTS to bend over for the fucking Douche Elfs. They're trying to buy a little time by giving them a seemingly innocuous, meaningless symbolic gesture in the Talos ban. They don't know about the Thalmore's full retard take over the world plan, to them its "Hey, we have three major religions in this empire, and this one particular one has like 10 gods. So we give them one, and save millions of lives so we can rebuild our armies and kick their asses some other day."

But NOOOOO, Uldick Spermcloak is a powerhungry little bitch, so he decides that a purely esoteric issue that has zero impact on anyone's day-to-day life is worth breaking up the unity of the human race and bringing about the Dragonpocalypse.

For someone so up his own ass about MY NORD TRADITION, he sure did forget that having Nords kill Nords was a huge part of the prophecy of the ultimate evil dead dragon god. Brilliant job there Mr. I Studied With The Fucking Greybeards And I Should Know This Shit.

>>22118490
The Thalmor didn't do shit until rabblerabblecloak came along.

So... why would Hammerfell join up with an independent Skyrim, after they split off from the Empire for officially abandoning them?

>>22118500
Except that the only parts of the "empire" left are the Bretons who have a long and proud tradition of switching sides at their convenience, and currently aren't doing a thing to help the "empire" between hating the Thalmor as much as any human faction and focusing on not getting their shit slapped by Redguards (again) and... Cyrodiil, who are having to withdraw from the greater "empire" altogether to keep law and order after their bout of Altmer rape. The only way the different nations would stand together is when they drop the crumbling pretense of an empire, whose last desperate resort is appeasement I might add, and form anew

>>22118509
but he didnt go to the greybeards for teaching, he went to them for a weapon. can't you just imagine a prissy little ulfric being all "okay, i get it, dragons are bad..can we get to the shouting yet?"

>>22118528
I don't know, you tell me why Hammerfell wouldn't re-enter an alliance with their oldest ally and closest political and racial match, to fight against a common enemy, after both left the old alliance for exactly the same reasons.

>>22118564
"I don't like him, and because I don't like him I'll make pissy assumptions and because I'm twelve years that completely invalidates the wealth of legitimate reasons Ulfric is not only Skyrim's best hope, but the best outcome for every race that isn't the Altmer. Also apparently I have fetal alcohol syndrome."

>>22118551
Yes the Empire is weakened, but killing it off and being left with a bunch of individual states isn't the smart move. Especially when at least one is ruled by racist pricks.

>Implying a bunch of Veteran Legionnaires weren't left behind in Hammerfell.

>>22118502
>Thalmor agents

Oh how humorous. Apparently you don't know your beloved leader is also a Thalmor agent who has been tricked before by the Thalmor and used to incite rebellion in Skyrim, thus giving the Thalmor a stronger position in Tamriel.

But go ahead, keep believing that supporting the Stormcloaks isn't playing into the hands of the Thalmor.

Fucking Stormcloaks are always going on about "B...but, we can Team Up with Hammerfell!"

Do you know why the Dominion couldn't take Hammerfell? Logistics. It wasn't the brave, brilliant armies of the Blackguards that won that war, it was General Desert and supply lines that were way too long and way too vulnerable.

Why do you think the Empire "abandoned" them in the first place? Because the people at the top knew that they could the problem would take care of itself. Yeah, it was kind of dickish on paper to leave one of their provinces in the lurch, but when you're fighting the Ultimate Empire of Dicks, you have be a little dickish yourself of you're going to lose.

Its was abandonment in name only, just like the ban on Talos Worship was a ban in name only. Cirodil tossed a few lambs to the wolves so the flock could live, come back with a couple hundred rams and crack some skull later.

but Ulfric Stormcloak would rather "stand on principle," than care about the salvation of the human race in the long term. Why? Because "princple," gives him a crown, and intelligence leaves him just another nobody ruling a frozen rock.

>>22118601
>being left with a bunch of individual states

Holy shit how clinically retarded can one 4chan poster be, you're going for the gold medal in retardation. I'd link to a post that lists all the reasons the states would stand together but you must have read those already and failed to register, so I was forced to consider posing the question "What reasons are their for literally every race that isn't the Altmer NOT kicking the shit out of the Thalmor at the same time, especially not when they already had centuries of working together when the old Empire was actually a thing and not some broken vassal-state shell?". I might even ask "What is the difference between a bunch of individual nations acting in concert to fight an enemy between individual nations acting in concert to fight an enemy but calling themselves and "the Empire" instead of "The Second Empire" or "Remove Leafeating Longear Kebab From Premises" or whatever the fuck, but at the rate you've been going there's no way you'd comprehend that either and I have literally no idea how to approach demonstrating how incredibly mouthbreathing crosseyed mongoloid retarded you must be.

>>22118593
>"i'm mad"

seriously though, you can't honestly tell me that you think Ulfric is right and that the Empire WANTS the Thalmor thing going on, the Empire doesn't WANT the White Gold Concordat, they NEED it so they're not being murdered by the Thalmor. Ulfric and the stormcloaks seem to think that the Empire just enjoys being used by the Thalmor, when it's really just a survival tactic to buy some time. Jesus, it's like you didn't play the game. Ulfric's a little bitch and the stormcloaks deserve nothing but death for being so stupid, deal with it, fgt.

>Implying Skyrim could do shit on its own.

Grrr, magic bad, whould just mean they get raped by super elf magic.

I wonder if the place would turn into Fantasy Balkans if the Empire collapsed.

>>22118667
If the Empire is at the point where it NEEDS to be completely subservient to the Thalmor to survive, how the fuck is it ever going to regain it's strength? Why would the Thalmor sit their and LET IT become a military power?

>>22118663
All you've got is
>T-they might join together.

But they might not, and why should Nord problems be Redguard problems and vice versa? While if you've actually got the Empire, then they WOULD be joined together.

>>22118593

Okay. Forget the pissy jokes. Please explain how Ulfric Stormcloak studied under the Greybeards for years and somehow failed to learn the basic fucking backstory of their order without either being 1) a moron or 2) a power hungry git who wanted nothing but a dagger in the dark to cheat his way to power.

Assuming he in fact KNEW this basic backstory, and KNEW that the Elder Scrolls had foretold that when the Sons of Skyrim spill their own blood, the fucking GOD OF DEATH WOULD COME BACK AND END THE WORLD, explain how Ulfric thought starting a Civil War would be a good idea without him being 1) an idiot or 2) a callous, sociopathic warmonger who didn't care if the world burned so long as he got to be king of the dirt hill.

>>22118695
The same way it's unable to stop the Dovahkiin from ending the civil war.

>>22118695
>If the Empire is at the point where it NEEDS to be completely subservient to the Thalmor to survive

It doesn't though, they've just given some token gestures while they strengthen their armies once more, the Thalmor must rely on subterfuge.

>>22118703
Well, I don't support Ulfric, but isn't the point of the prophesy that it is right no matter how many people read it? I mean, they are fucking Elder Scrolls, they sure foresaw that Ulfric will be an ignorant dick, and will not pay attention to the prophesy.

>>22118695
I wouldn't say completely subservient but whatever, they're biding time. "giving in" to the Thalmor so they can just get back on their feet and rebuild right under the Thalmor's noses, since the Thalmor need the Empire since they can't really march on Skyrim, every other race would attack and they'd lose in the numbers game. Why do you think that Leaders who are sensing a rebellion don't just murder all the people in the country, peace treaty or not? I like to think that Ulfric wouldn't against fighting alongside Argonians if one of them was saving his sorry ass, fighting together "For Skyrim", instead of "for the stormcloaks"

>>22118703
Oh well, excuse the guy for not listening to a bunch of demented old guys talking about centuries old prophecies while he's trying to learn the shit that saved his people. And he wasn't the actual Dragonborn, the Greybeards knew that for a fact and they obviously didn't tell him shit about what was actually going on because he never once met the actual fucking dragon running the show. The fact that they either intentionally kept him in the dark but taught him anyway, knowing full well he wasn't the Dragornborn, confirms them for senility and worshiping shit they themselves barely understand.

i have such a hard time finding other people who play argonians, now i know they are all in /tg/

>>22118509
>acting like Cyrodiil isn't full of politicians lining up to wrap their lips around Thalmor cocks.
>would only know in-character about the Emperor's plan of biding their time if they were about to FUCKING MURDER HIM
>acting like the Talos ban was the only reason for Ulfric's uprising.
>Calls Ulfric the ignorant dickhead

I somewhat regretted siding with the Stormcloaks after seeing how much of a prick Ulfric can be, but felt a little better after hanging around with the Stormcloaks themselves, less bigotry and a pretty clear agenda.

Unlike the motherfucking empire, where it was almost the exact opposite. Every Imperial I met was an Ultramarine-scale asshole, and without doing the assassination missions I'll never actually know the Emperor is actually quite a clever bastard.

Dunmer is my favorite race.

what do you feel about Dunmer

>>22118695

The Empire isn't completely subserviant to anybody. The White Gold Concordant is a sham. It doesn't give the Dominion any power over the Empire except the right to send a few soldiers into their lands to "police," the laughable Talos ban. Certainly not enough to actually do anything but stick their noses in the air and talk about how great they are, and easily purged when the time comes.

Ceding a bunch of Hammerfell land was basically saying "Enjoy this Cactus, try not to prick yourself." And it worked absolutely flawlessly because by the end of things the Dominion's military and economy was a ruined as the Empire's war. Giving up Talos worship in exchange for saving lives is a no brainer for any ruler who isn't so up his own ass with religion he sure as hell ain't seeing the light. The Empire lost nothing and gained everything by stopping the Altmeri advance.

Turning on the Emperor because of the hopelessly petty, self-righteous indignation over the fact that the treaty was intended to be a slap in the face instead of being smart, turning the other cheek, and getting ready for the next war is beyond stupid, its suicidally short-sighted and proves that Stormcloak can never be allowed to rule.

>>22118763
>well, we can teach him Disarm if that'll keep him happy, how much trouble can he cause with that?

>>22118790
Dunmer needed all the shit that happened to check their pride before it got out of hand. With the years to come they'll be a useful, respectable and appreciated ally, the need now is getting the Argonians to stop going in dry on their entire people

>>22118781

Argonian Master race here. The Nord are allready afraid of fire-breathing lizards, and an Argonians firemage won't make things better, will he?

>>22118818
Should've stuck with Throw Voice.

>>22118789
>would only know in-character about the Emperor's plan of biding their time if they were about to FUCKING MURDER HIM

knowing the classic "give in to survive and bide time for revenge" plan is really just common sense to 90% of people. good to know that Ulfric is in the bottom 10% of skyrim citizens

>>22118806
Oh right so when Hammerfell seceds from the Empire to curbstomp the Altmer and cripple their economy and military it's a clever tactical decision by the masterful and flawless Emperor with eternal foresight, but when Skyrim secedes to do the same it's fractious Nord rebellion with no hope for success

>>22118839
>>22118839
Still would have worked, only make it easier for Ulfric to stab Torygg in the back when he turned around to find out where to voice came from

>>22118622
I guess you never got the memo that a successful rebellion was pretty much the worst thing that could happen for the Thalmor.

You also forgot about the part when Ulfric was only an "asset" because it looked like the war would be a stalemate. Hardly an agent, and strongly opposed to Elven ideals, to say nothing of their grand scheme.

>>22118648
No. If it was a matter of long supply lines, it would equal lost troops and an inability to deploy. What happened was lost money. The Thalmor lost ridiculous numbers of soldiers in the process, in a war of attrition against the hardiest soldiers in the world.

>>22118850
The Empire didn't try to fight for Hammerfell, it obviously needs Skyrim.

>>22118806
>>22118750
>>22118667
>>22118509
The most humourous part of all of these Empire-lovers is that the ONLY WAY you can know that the Empire's plan is to keep the Dominion happy until they can rebuild is that the Emperor tells you so right before you kill him.
>Way to be patriotic, fuckheads

>>22118869
>I guess you never got the memo that a successful rebellion was pretty much the worst thing that could happen for the Thalmor.

And how is that? All it does is weaken the only power capable of defeating them.

>>22118870
Skyrim doesn't the need the Empire.

Nor does Hammerfell. The Argonians don't, the Bosmer and Khajit sure as hell do but it isn't coming any time soon, the Orcs and Bretons don't need anyone and will side with the strongest. So I guess that means...

>>22118701
All he has is the shitton of reasons that they will join together. that you didn't read and haven't responded to. All you have, however, is

>b... b-but maybe they won't!

Which apparently means we should sit back and let the elves unmake reality around us.

>>22118887
except that i as a player understood within the first 5 minutes of hearing about the WGC, and only went to assassinate him for the experience

gophersvids confirmed for fa/tg/uy

>>22118887
>The most humourous part of all of these Empire-lovers is that the ONLY WAY you can know that the Empire's plan is to keep the Dominion happy until they can rebuild is that the Emperor tells you so right before you kill him.

I'm for the Empire, not the that specific Emperor.

>>22118850

Hammerfell didn't secede, the Emperor declared them no longer part of the empire because they continued to resist. Either the entire thing was a smokescreen, and it worked perfectly, or the Emperor had to make a tough decision to preserve every other province, and the Redguards couldn't accept that giving the Altmer a bunch of empty desert to preserve the ability of the rest of the Empire to rebuild for the good of the human species was the right thing to do.

I'm not judging the Redguard, I wouldn't want to give up my home either, but regardless it was obviously the right decision whether it was a trap or not. And I'm betting it was a trap because GOD DAMN the Thalmore got ruined trying to fight in that country.

Ulfric Stormcloak on the other hand is MURDERING HIS OWN COUNTRYMEN TO CREATE A NEW KINGDOM RULED EXCLUSIVELY BY HIMSELF. How can you not see an obvious difference here?

>>22118859
>listening to imperial propaganda
ISHYGDDT

>>22118899
He's got no reasons besides "they dun like aldmeri very much."
But they don't exactly show great fondness for each other either.

When you murder Ulfric he feels bad about what he did when you talk to him in Sovngarde. Even Ulfric doesn't agree with Ulfric.

>>22118943
Except that they co-existed peacefully and actively in all those centuries beforehand when the Empire wasn't a hollow shell/vassal state/reduced to desperately delaying the Altmer from raping them dry by giving in to their demands/whatever you want to call it

And that the three biggest are just different flavors of the same human race vs high elf racial supremacists

>>22118841
Now you're just pulling things out of your ass. Just for starters, do you know how many people in Solitude criticized the High King as a Thalmor puppet and wanted to restart the Great War? And of the remaining population, how many were Thalmor bootlickers?
>but it's all common sense, 90% of the population you see, all part of the plan, fuck Ulfric and his uncivilised 10%.
Spoken like a true gutless Imperial politician.

Wow OP, it's like you didn't even read the Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric.

I sympathized with the Stormcloaks, up until that point. Then I realized I need to to put down Ulfric's for anyone to stand a chance against the Thalmor.

WHERE'S MY SKYRIM/ALDEMERI DOMINION WAR EXPANSION, BETHESDA?

>>22118962
flip-flopping yellow bellied cowards shouldnt get to Sovngarde

>Siding with either faction

WHOEVER LOSES,
THE THALMOR WIN

>>22118972
Then the emperor/tullius should have let them go and fight the thalmor themselves to remove the savage dissidents from the city.

>>22118968
They existed with the Empire there. Just because they're humans doesn't mean they'll band together.

>>22118996
Except that's exactly how the Empire was formed in the firstplace you fucking tard. Talos was a Nord, Ulfric is Talos 2.0

>>22118983
Thalmor get maximum win if neither side loses but keeps fighting. I quashed the rebellion quickly after hearing about the Thalmor.

>>22118231
People who say "lel" should be lynched, hanged in the public square, and denied a proper Christian burial so that the coyotes and vultures can feast on the body. I wish this fate on all ironic shitposters, you colossal faggot. Stop trying to turn /tg/ into /b/2.

I wish I could hate you to death. Yes, I mad. And that's not because you're a master troll. It's because of your utter lack of creativity and your mindless repetition of annoying phrases. You are a fundamentally bad person and your parents never loved you.

>>22118897
And create one even stronger that is capable of the unification needed to send the Thalmor back to the Isles. With the Empire gone from Skyrim, the Thalmor will be kill on sight. With Talos worship so ingrained in the culture, the Thalmor will have to genocide all of Skyrim. ALL of it. Do you have any idea what a massive undertaking that will be? You thought logistics and supply chains in a desert were bad, try them in a snowy mountain-studded land with soldiers not accustomed to the weather while your enemy knows every path, every hill, every temple and stronghold. The Thalmor would have to put all their effort into just assaulting Skyrim, a country built on blood and bone where nearly every male is a capable militiaman, and where pro-war and pro-military sentiment (and anti-elven sentiment) is at an all-time high, having just kicked the bastards out. The Empire needs time to rebuild? They'll have plenty, and it'll be easier too with the Thalmor distracted by this new challenge. And Skyrim doesn't need to rebuild or become stronger. They're already there. Skyrim may have just come out of a civil war, but economically it's still quite sound, militarily it's strong, and there's nothing stopping total unification of the country now that nobody has to choose between Empire and Stormcloak. You think the native-born Nords that signed up for the legion and then went back home when the war was over are going to stand around and chop wood all day? No, they're going to go home, sharpen their swords, make a few babies to continue the family line, and they're going to be lining up for the united Skyrim army.

>>22119011
>Ulfric is Talos 2.0
lel

>>22119011
Talos had a giant god robot, and was dragonborn, Ulfric ain't shit.

>>22118976
I don't think you read it either. Remember how it said that a victory for the Stormcloaks would be devastating?

>>22117884
I used to support the Empire like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee xD

>>22119021
lel

>>22119028
Ulfric has the Dragonborn (if you weren't a fucktard).

>>22119023
Skyrim is weaker than Skyrim + Empire. People still worshipped Talos and the Empire was marshaling it's strength. All the Stormcloaks do is waste that strength and attract more Thalmor attention because they're screaming for Talos at the top of their lungs.

>>22119052
He isn't Dragonborn, he's a faggot.

>>22119055
Unified Skyrim is stronger than Skyrim + Empire. Stronger yet is Unified Skyrim + everyone else that hates the Thalmor. Prove me wrong.

The last hope of Tamriel is the beast races. And Hist.
>THEY'RE IN THE TREES
>NO YOU FOOL, THEY ARE THE TREES

>>22119023
And why wouldn't the Pro-Empire Nords form their own Rebellion?

They're not going to magically gain insight and go 'hey, we should let this be'. Hell no, they're Nords. Just like the Stormcloaks had fire in their bellies, so would the Empire supporting Nords would take up arms.

One war ends, another begins.

Ulfric got himself captured twice. Why follow that buffoon?

>>22118994
Well this is the hilarious part, talk to those people a few times for the full picture:

>The new High Queen is going to have to get used to sucking Thalmor cock, since Torygg was such a puppet, BUT FUCK ULFRIC AND SUPER FUCK ROGGVIR THAT TRAITOROUS FUCK.

>>22118869
>the worst thing that could happen for the Thalmor

Because two powers with bad blood between each other is so much worse than Skyrim still united with the Empire and happy to be so.

And while Ulfric obviously doesn't like the altmer, it doesn't mean he hasn't played into their hands several times before. They've feed him false information, established contact with him (probably not openly though), and his pressing of the issue on Talos worship (which the Empire had largely ignored before the rebellion) was a key factor in causing the mess in Skyrim which has only served to weaken the Dominion's enemies.

>>22119078
after playing through it once and learning all that i did, upon starting a new story, i wished for the ability to dragonspeak alduin to wait a few more minutes before attacking, then ulfric would be dead

>>22119023

>Skyrim Strong

Gee I wonder why that is. Maybe because the Cyrodil was getting raped by Elf Magic while you were kicking back by your hearth sippin' mead.

Nords are the most ungrateful fucking douchenozzles in the universe. "Hey thanks for dying by the thousands and having your land salted to keep our glorious alpine wonderland completely pristine. But whats this? You tossed the elves a meaningless religious concession to stop the slaughter of your people? FUCK YOU GUYS, WE'RE LEAVING THIS DUMB EMPIRE AND MAKING OUR OWN WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS, I HOPE YOU'RE ASHAMED OF YOUR WEAKNESS."

If I could have teamed up with the Thalmore I would have. Maybe a little purging will teach Skyrim a lesson in not being complete bastard.

Nords deserve to die for the atrocities committed against the Falmer people.

>>22119132
That was the Dwemer.

>>22119137
Them too, but they're already gone, all I've got left is to smash their machines.

>>22119137
i wish you could have met a dwemer...why no dwarf representation in Skyrim, bethesda? I'd gladly give up one of the 3 elf races to get a dwarf, or even bretons maybe

>>22119151
Something tells me they'd have been as arrogant pricks as the Thalmor, what with the slavery and all.

>>22119123
Yeah, about that... do you have any idea how many Nordic troops died for the empire that failed to protect them? Where do you fucking think Ulfric fought before the events of the game? What fucking foreign soil do you think he was talking about when he gave his speech about holding his dying men in his arms?

You clearly know nothing about TES lore. Go back to /vg/ and circlejerk over your Skyrim waifus.

>>22119180
Dwemer are a thalmor myth to cover up ancient Aldmeri atrocities

>>22119151
The Dwemer were arrogant pricks, just secluded more. They've been gone for thousands of years because they fucked with the metaphysics of the universe. You can talk to the last living dwarf in Morrowind. That's why there are none in Skyrim.

>>22119155
The Betrayed would not have to had to sought out the Dwemer for protection if it wasn't for Ysgramor and his lackies. Death to the companions!

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>>22119191

>>22119187
In a Thalmor prison, tortured and converted partially to their cause

>>22119069
>Unified Skyrim is stronger than Skyrim (unified) + Empire

How does that even work?

The WGC gave the Empire time to recuperate after a decisive victory at the Battle of Red Ring while keeping the arrogant Thalmor content. If the Empire had the time, they could have rebuilt then have been able to officially give the Thalmor the middle-finger and kick their asses back to the Summerset Isles and beyond (with the help of Skyrim and other allies).

But of course, Ulfric just HAD to press the Talos issue (which wasn't severe in Skyrim) and tie up the Legion fighting a war where only the Thalmor win.

I wish the protagonist could become king.

I would lead Skyrim better then those bickering fools.

>>22119151
>or even bretons maybe
I hope you get launched by a giant

Why should my Breton ever support the Stormcloaks? They're not exactly friendly to other human races.

I replayed Oblivion recently, and am wondering, what kind of Mer are Ayelids supposed to be?

>>22119055
I don't understand how you people fail to realize that Skyrim was disillusioned by the Empire using the Nord people as disposable chips in a game they had no say in. Let me break it down for you.

1. Nord soldiers die by the thousands defending Imperial lands.
2. A treaty is signed where the only beneficiaries are Imperial lands and the only negatives are Nord traditions and culture.
3. Empire expects this completely political resolution with no repercussions to their own situation to gel with everyone else.
4. True Nords return to Skyrim after defending their home and so-called Empire with the news that despite their incredible sacrifice in lives they're now expected to change the way they've lived for generations when the enemy didn't even win those terms on the battlefield.

No true Nord would accept those terms, not even with a wink and nudge from the Imperial cowards who expected the Nords to take it lying down because there was a puppet child on the throne.

Nords defending THEIR lands are infinitely more dangerous than disillusioned soldiers forced to defend Imperial lands when they could be sold out again the moment things go south and the politicians get pressured.

>>22119252
>How does that even work?
None of their resources or military strength is getting bled out to Cyrodiil or the Aldmeri Dominion.

>>22119259
You wouldn't have to ask that question if bretons didnt exist and they put dwemer in, besides, Belethor is a breton and he's a creepy fuck

>>22119252
What in the unholy fuck do you think the Aldmeri are doing during all of this? Kicking the ground and going "Gee, what do we do now? Leaving our armed forces crippled sounds like a good idea!"

>>22119187

Boo. Fucking. Hoo.

Every province of the Empire gave lives in the war you moron. And "failed to protect them," my ass. Did you miss the part where Cyrodil and Hammerfell were both completely ravaged by Altmer troops during the campaigns in those lands? Where the fuck do you think the Dominion was going next?

Those troops died to keep Skyrim safe. Ulfric Stormcloak actually having the gall to pick up the corpses of the sons of skyrim and wave them like flags shows his colors almost as much as it shows the colors of the Nords who failed to realize that there were mothers and sons and daughters in Cyrodil and Hammerfell with just as many tears to shed, only they didn't have homes to shed them in or dirt to bury those loved ones under or wine to drown their sorrows in because the Altmer BURNED IT TO THE GROUND.

And then Skyrim decides that they want to spit in the faces of their brothers in arms, leave them to die in blighted lands while they sit back in the jewel of a homeland that plenty of Imperials and Redguards gave their lives to keep untouched. And over absolutely nothing but pure pride. Because Talos was a Nord, and Nords are all that matter.

Fuck Skyrim. Skyrim can burn. Any Nord who cares about more than his precious fucking heritage is welcome to help rebuild the rest of the Empire. Ulfric and his scum can keep Skyrim, since Skyrim is all they care about.

I hope they choke on it.

>>22119242
lel

>>22119292
>What in the unholy fuck do you think the Aldmeri are doing during all of this? Kicking the ground and going "Gee, what do we do now? Leaving our armed forces crippled sounds like a good idea!"

They're Elves, they breed slower. Their army was just as fucked up as the Empire's, but the Empire has a faster recovery rate. Hence why they need to bleed the Empire with ManchurianCandidateCloak and Stormfront.

>>22119252
But now that the Thalmor have to deal with unified Skyrim, the empire has time... provided they can fucking pull their heads out of their asses.

>>22119335
But not a unified Empire unless the player had some guile and sided with the Empire.

>>22118480

It was very cathartic, and I'm fairly sure it leveled up my skills.

"Racist agaisnt Dunmer, are you? Well, allow me to show you why we can sneak up on you, and burn you and your friends to a cinder."

Dunmer master race reporting in, anyway.

>>22119033
You'd gamble the fate of Nirn on Ulfric not being a Thalmor puppet after all? No, I'd emilinate the chance altogether and make damned sure the Thalmor fail.

>>22119278
How about replace the Dunmer, they're always a bumMER to be around and everyone hates them already especially for their confusing as fuck Telvanni towers.

>>22119310
Did you miss the part where Hammerfell bled the Dominion's coffers dry in their resistance?

Those troops died because the Empire told them to, then turned around and screwed their native land. Skyrim is not going to sit idly by and take that. The Empire fucking Skyrim over is the primary reason for Ulfric's revolution. You do know this, right? The Empire couldn't defend itself and fell to incompetency in the end. Brothers-in-arms my ass... the Empire's treaty destroyed the Nordic way of life. You'd ask that all of Skyrim sacrifice everything they have so the Empire can "rebuild" when they already failed once, and now have to deal with Thalmor everywhere? Yeah, or Skyrim could just rebel, kick the Empire out, kick the Thalmor out, and then wage war against them. Let the Empire rebuild while the Thalmor are forced to deal with Nords in their homeland with the backing of the people.

>>22119321
Give me one bit of TES lore that actually says that, rather than the assumed meta-knowledge about Elves.

Also, clue train? The elves -weren't- as fucked up as the Empire; they were WINNING. They decided that crushing the Empire may be too costly for them, and moved onto keeping the Empire under their thumb with the Thalmor, which gave them time for their end-all-existence plan.

>>22119352
The unified empire already lost. It's already proven itself a failure.

>>22119396
thats fine too, just don't get rid of wood elves

>>22119399
>Give me one bit of TES lore that actually says that

The Night of Tears. The Falmer sacked Saarthal because the Nords were multiplying so quickly.

>Also, clue train? The elves -weren't- as fucked up as the Empire; they were WINNING. They decided that crushing the Empire may be too costly for them, and moved onto keeping the Empire under their thumb with the Thalmor, which gave them time for their end-all-existence plan.

They weren't winning, their army was annihilated in Cyrodiil. It was a stalemate.

>>22119399
To be fair, the Empire didn't know about the end of existence plan.

They're thinking military and tactics while the Thalmor are going full Saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>22119424
Fuck the Bosmer too, "oh don't harm the trees, but its cool to eat each other" fucking green pact shit. I don't think there has ever been a Bosmer that wasn't an annoying little shit.

>>22119409
It tied, and it's prepping for round two.

>>22118069
>Breton
>Not a Native of the Reach
I hope the King in Rags burns Skyrim to the ground.

>>22119397
1) Oh sure, and all those legionnaire vets weren't given unofficial leave to go and reinforce Hammerfell.

2) The Nordic way of life must have been pretty bugfuck stupid if it couldn't handle whispering rather than shouting prayers to Talos. But oh no, YOU ARE OPPRESSING THE NORDIC RIGHT TO PRAY VERY LOUDLY IN PUBLIC.

>>22119454
Kinda like Vegans dohohohohoho

>>22119460
It did not tie and it's prepping for failure number 2.

>>22119454
I accidentally developed "Little Man Syndrome" when i saw myself standing next to a town guard in third person. Does it count if i play him as being really fickle and hunting stormcloaks, never eaten nobody, officah, i swear

>>22119479
>unofficial leave
They just up and left. They were given nothing.

Whisper or shout, the Thalmor find out.

Around elves, watch yourselves.

>>22119473
>Forsworn
>Not being a civilized intellectual
No wonder you savages are such a joke! Though I am bothered how the Forsworn will never make any special comments if you're playing a Breton.

>>22119446
And the Orismer breed like locusts. Where does that leave your argument?

>>22119310
You really believe that if the initial war had been waged on Skyrim soil that the Empire wouldn't have pulled out immediately and started negotiating while Nord lands burned? They're pulling troops out of provinces left and right and not even trying to keep up the image of a united front. Their complete incompetence managed to piss off EVERYONE, and instead of rallying behind the tears of those widows and children to fight back against true tyranny they closed the doors in the faces of every Nord while they negotiated with the enemy to strip them of THE cultural and spiritual icon of their entire race.

Also I hate to break this to you but Talos IS all that matters. Whether you chose Imperial or Stormcloaks it really doesn't matter, once he enters the war it's over. Skyrim has won.

>>22119481
>It did not tie

It did.

>it's prepping for failure number 2.

Maybe because of Stormfront and their fulfilling Doomsday prophecies.

The HooDing will sweep away all resistance

Hammerfell will crush the Elves given time.

>>22119397

>the Empire's treaty destroyed the Nordic way of life

BULLSHIT. "oooh, my worshiping of Talos was so fucking important. Who cares about having food to eat or a roof over my head or land to sow crops on or my family not raped to death by Thalmore swords, I NEED TO WORSHIP TALOS BECAUSE TALOS WAS A NORD."

Cyrodil is not the Empire, THE ALTMER WANTED TO KILL ALL HUMANS. They came for Cyrodil first because it was the center of government, and the easiest logistically to attack from their center of power. That's the start and end of it. Anything else is self-serving bullshit that Nords shovel because they're just as racist against Imperials for being "soft and pampered," as they are against elves.

Was there incompetence and failure on some levels of the campaign. Of course. Were some lives wasted? Of course. THAT DOES NOT GIVE THE NORDS THE RIGHT TO TELL THE REST OF THE EMPIRE TO FUCK OFF IN THEIR HOUR OF NEED.

Nords died to protect Cyrodil. Fine. But pretending that by doing so they weren't also protecting Skyrim is intentional self-delusion to justify telling everyone else to go fuck themselves after their lands burned to keep Nord lands pristine.

You cannot justify denying people real, tangible things like life, land and livelihood because they denied you something as intanible as one god out of a fucking dozen in one of several religions. Not unless you are a selfish piece of shit who only cares about whats important to you and are willing to let everything else wither and die so long as you get yours.

>>22119151

Because a Dwemer would be massively overpowered. They don't use magic like the men and mer - they use tonal shit, with like crystals and tuning forks, I dunno.

Also, they're like hella smart with like, a built-in "see how this works" detector. I forget who, but someone mentioned that a Dwemer would be able to take a look at the Eye of Magnus/Welkynd Stone/Numidium, and be able to understand how it works, and to make more of them.

Dwemer are fucking badass.

>>22119505
Orismer are more fucked up than the Falmer were.

>>22119500
And let me ask you, why would the rest of the Legions LET them leave? I used the word unofficial for a reason.

Also, the Thalmor didn't catch on until Ulfric rebelled. So good job, his right to pray very loudly (which we never even hear him do) was protected.

>>22117884
>. If they have the strength to not get fucked by the thalmor

They don't. Thats the point.

Not even the empire has that power, certainly not a band of stupid terrorists.

>>22119511
This.

The Empire was fucking retarded to turn their back on Talos Stormcloak, Born of the North. For the Legion's service, he turned all of Cyrodil from hostile jungle to generic fertile medieval-land. We're talking about a living god that comes down and performs landscape-sculpting-tier miracles for people he likes.

>>22119530
To be fair, did the Imperials know that the Thalmor wanted to kill all humans?

>>22119530
I'm on the Stormcloak side but this Anon raises a good argument.

anyone excited for elder scrolls 6 just to see what history makes of the events in skyrim?

>warp in the north
>the dragonborn simultaneously leads both sides of the civil war, empire barely wins
>becomes thane of all 9 holds, wins each jarl's favor.
>leads the companions, masters arcane arts at winterhold
>assassinates titus mede

>out of fucking nowhere, a superhuman blessed by akatosh who's master of everyfucking thing and loved by everyone MARY SUEEEE leads hammerfell, skyrim, and high rock as their emperor reclaims the tamriel and establishing the first dragonblooded empire in two hundred years while the remnants of the thalmor collectively shit themselves so hard that thousands of miles away red mountain erupts again.

>>22119534
If they were so badass then why did the Dunmer beat their ass?

>>22119562

No. And that's the important bit. If the Imperials knew about it, you can bet that the Empire would be far more willing to fight them.

I'm not saying they aren't - they are obviously biding their time, because you forget another very important thing:

Humans, Imperials specifically, used to be enslaved by the Elves. Not the main one right now, but the Ayleids. So, they might play nice temporarily, but they'll still rise up and kick ass.

I have no opinion on the Ulfric character. My character just seeks to bring House Telvanni back to its former glory, and show them Argonian bastards the what for.

>>22119535
Point is there is nothing to say that most Mer don't have fairly comparable breeding rates to humans, and it's a safe assumption since the extremes at either end got mention and the other Mer didn't.

>>22119595
I honestly think that ES6 will take place maybe a century after Skyrim

Could be right after a war with the thalmor/altmeri dominion - where the empire is weakened but victorious, but also plagued by aftershock conflicts... which leave plenty of room for some hero to rise up and spread peace

That said, I'd also be perfectly pleased as long as we'll ultimately get an ES game where you could go ALL OVER Tamriel - an ES game with the entire world made in it...

>>22119595
I don't think it'll happen like that. You don't hear about the Champion of Cyrodiil who became arch-mage of mages guild, head of the fighter's guild, listener of the dark brotherhood, the divine crusader, Sheogorath and who is never in the same place at the same time as the Gray Fox.

>>22119595
No, the Heroes of the games do their thing and disappear. That's part of their nature, so the Dovahkiin most certainly won't be the emperor in the next game.

>>22119071
>The last hope of Tamriel is the beast races.
Argonians maybe.
Elseweyr is already part of the dominion. Since the thalmor tricked the khajiit into believing they returned the moons after those went missing for a few years.
Those khajiit trade caravans? Fugitives who fled home because they disagreed with their thalmor-worshipping countryfolk.

>>22119614

Right on brother. God damn Tree Lizards. Morrowind is our land! Go back to Black Marsh.

>>22119603
The Dunmner didn't beat them, the Dwemer zero summed themselves dicking around with the Heart of Lohrkan

>>22119536
Because they had no choice. A Hammerfell legion, far away from any other legions, decides "fuck this, we're going hope" and proceeds to kick Thalmor ass on their own terms in their homeland.

>>22119530
More like I NEED TO WORSHIP TALOS BECAUSE THIS IS OUR FUCKING CULTURE THAT SHAPED MY ENTIRE NATIONALITY, RIGHT DOWN TO THE LAND ITSELF. Talos, the God that made Cyrodil what it is now.

Cyrodil now is the Empire, ebcause the Empire did such a piss-poor job of managing its vassal states that Hammerfell and now Skyrim have left. They were so desperate to keep Skyrim that they actually sent troops to die there, even though they had nothing whatsoever to gain (except more expendable nordic soldiers). They asked for everything they have coming for them. With a free Skyrim, the Dominion has to turn to them and keep them in check. That lets the Empire rebuild, if they're capable enough to do it before the inevitable Nordic-Hammerfell-Dunmer alliance drives the Thalmor from the continent.

The Nords died to protect Skyrim, yes... during the rebellion. Under Imperial banners, they died to save Cyrodil, which then brokered a treaty that involved nothing bad for Cyrodil and nothing good for Skyrim. That's the thanks that they gave for the tens of thousands of Nords that died for them.

So you're defending the empire in denying Skyrim their life (taken by Thalmor, more and more frequently as Talos 'cultists' were rooted out and tortured to death), land (outright stolen by the empire), and lifestyle (banning the worship of the God that formed the backbone of their culture). You're defending the empire doing this because they had to protect their own life/land/livelihood. You're defending the Empire throwing Skyrim under the bus. Stop QQing because Skyrim stood up to you and actually got shit done.

>>22119670
Because they got desperate after the Dunmer were wailing on them.

>this whole thread

Shit, guys, I just wanted to enjoy my vidya...

>>22119646
Be careful what you wish for...

Because it looks like crap.

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/

>>22119646

I believe Elder Scrolls Online is supposed to have the entire continent. Who knows if that will be terrible or not though...

If nothing else, I'm stoked for the chance to visit Elswyr and the parts of Morrowind we never saw.

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>>22119603

Did you not read... ANYTHING about the Dwemer in-game?

They didn't. The Dwemer were kicking ass because of stronger magics, because of their machines, and because of their use of heavy armor.

The Chimer at the time, were having a war council about how to manage to beat them. Luckily for the Chimer, the Dwemer did SOEMTHING to the Heart of Lorkhan and just disappeared. All of them, except for Yagrum Bagran, who was off-plane at the time.

>>22119684
then enjoy it FOR TALOS!

>>22119684
Stormcloak vs. Imperial threads are literally the best thing about Skyrim, man that game was awful, hoo-boy.

>>22119689
That happens many years before Skyrim.

>>22119651

Uh, actually you do. Sheogorath sorta confirmed that he was the Champion of Cyrodil.

>>22119715
>tfw no REMEMBER REDORAN NEVER FORGET circlejerks anymore

>>22119734

Fuck Redoran. Telvanni master race reporting in.

Seriously, I can't wait until the game is bundled with all the expansion packs, because I'm gonna buy it.

>>22119674
>Skyrim thrown under a bus
>the bulk of the great war took place in Cyrodil
>Imperial City razed
>Thalmor progroms massacre Bosmer in Valenwood
>Elsywr completely conquered
>Skyrim thrown under the bus
>thrown under the bus
>thrown under

Skyrim got out of the Great War better off than every save the Argonians.

>>22119674
>the inevitable Nordic-Hammerfell-Dunmer alliance drives the Thalmor from the continent.

Where are you getting this shit? The Thalmor beat the shit out of the empire. The Nords are part of the empire.

The Dunmer, Hammerfell, and Skyrim are all in a shitty position during the course of Skyrim. None are in a situation where they can ally and drive back the Thalmor. Maybe if the Empire, including Skyrim, allied with the Dunmer. Maybe.

> nothing good for Skyrim

It prevented their destruction at the hands of the Thalmor. When are stormcloak fags going to realize that they have no good plan to deal with the Thalmor. None at all.

>>22119689
>Black Marsh, Morrowind, and Skyrim have joined forces

Fo serial?

>>22119755
>skyrim
>tens of thousands march for the empire and die
>empire signs a treaty that allows thalmor to freely persecute talos worshippers
>empire turns their backs on the most important god in the pantheon
>skyrim loses tens of thousands of men and endures occupation under imperial-thalmor rule

>>22119767
Yes. At a point in time when the Nords were supposed to be nothing but barbarians, not long after the Dunmer had driven them off AGAIN, and when the Dunmer considered the beast races nothing but cattle.

>>22119753
Fuck both, House Hlaalu up in this thread!

>>22119724
It's still supposedly the entire continent, or more likely several maps that stand in for the entire continent.

>>22119530
Nah. Nords wanted independence but it were denied to them. Empire isnt saviors or protectors. They are corrupt bastards who are ready to opress and sell their own population just to preserve more power. Current racism in nord ranks is typical reaction. They are opressed because of their beliefs. Why the fuck would they need such empire, that refuses to protect them, allows foregine soldiers to capture everyone around. Its not just about faith in Talos. Empire has shown itself as weak and easily manipulated nation that will gladly sell of its citizens.

>THAT DOES NOT GIVE THE NORDS THE RIGHT TO TELL THE REST OF THE EMPIRE TO FUCK OFF IN THEIR HOUR OF NEED.
Well, niggers... uh i mean redguards right now are fine on their own, waging war against Thalmor. THATS IT. They refused to surrender and werent defeated. They still fight for the things they belive in. Just as nords want. So im sure that if even Hammerfell alone is good enough to resist Thalmor then if rest of empire could find its balls...
I mean Empire looks less like a Poland and more like a France. They havent lost completely, they havelt even lost seriously. they just preferred to surrende and sell out its population and culture.

>>22119674

>Under Imperial banners, they died to save Cyrodil, which then brokered a treaty that involved nothing bad for Cyrodil and nothing good for Skyrim.

Except for an end to the war that was coming to their doorstep next.

But who cares that ending the war saved Skyrim when it also saved the Capital, and therefore was entirely self-serving with no thought given to anyone else because Imperials are terrible people by nature of being Imperials right? Because Nords are all that are important, and since the treaty involved the Nords being dealt a minor cultural slight, the fact that is stopped Dominion armies from burning a road right to their doorsteps paved with the corpses of the rest of the Imperial race is a side note AT BEST, right?

Nords are so in love with themselves and their precious culture that all they can see is the shit that's important to them. And that sickens me. At least the Redguards had a very real and understandable reason for leaving the Empire, in that a lot of their land was given away. And they didn't even leave the Empire, they had to be thrown out to preserve the peace. The local governments of Hammerfell were happy to fly the Empire's banner until the day the Emperor did what he had to do to preserve the peace. A peace that was protecting Skyrim and Morrowind just as much as it was protecting Cyrodil no matter what the Nords imagine is true.

>>22119767
I don't get this. One side
>aims to restore the Second Empire and bring peace and prosperity back to Tamriel.

the other

>fight to restore stability to the Empire

Why are they different sides?

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Hum?

>>22119867
TRADITION

RACISM

CAT-PEOPLE

SKOOMA

Also because Bethesda wants to keep making more games.

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>>22118054
Ulfric was captured by the thalmor. He's probably a sleeper agent and doesn't even know it. You can read a book about the Elenwen's interrogation of Ulfric in the embassy.

>that feel you get when you don't have much Elder Scroll art besides Morrowind stuff. :(

>>22119785
>most important god

youve gotta be kidding me, Talos is just a nord who got pity ascended into the pantheon, no one else fucking wanted him there. he is "god" scum

>>22119848
Again. By throwing out nords interests empire throws out reason for nords being in the empire. I mean why the fuck you want to be bitch-part of a butch-nation that tries to screw you? Especialy if all your nation is proud warrior-race stereotype.
Nords are fighting for their independence and freedom, they have every right to do that anyway. But they have good reason this time.

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So.
What's so interesting about the whole Skyrim fuck-up?

I think it's pretty clear, the whole thingamabob.
People are fighting people.

>>22119923
Yeah-yeah. For entire history of empire he was most important god of HUMAN pantheon, actualy a symbol of greatness - symbol that human are capable. And its a fantasy, so atheism does not exist.
Thalmor were insulted that some meber of "inferior" race was declared to be a god. (and by agreeing to ban Talos worship Imperial politics made utterly retarded move im sure that not only nords were annoyed and clearly such move brings more than one civil war)

>>22119930

If the Nord's only interest in the world outside Skyrim after thousands upon thousands of years of mutual trade, defense and cultural sharing is MY PRECIOUS TALOS then you've just proved my point. No other province or race is so self-absorbed that they would throw away everything over the diplomatic equivalent of a slap to the face. Including the Imperials that the Nords have so much disdain for.

Nords don't care about the Empire, the good of the Human race, peace or prosperity for Tamriel. Nords care about Nords. So as soon as something goes wrong for the Nords, everyone else can eat a dick.

Its shameful. So much for honor.

>>22119785
>Talos most important god
>Not Akatosh or Kynareth

haha okay

>>22119977

>Vivec going "CHIM CHIM CHIM"
>my sides

But seriously, that guy was a pushover.

BTW, who roleplays their Atronach birthsign characters as sneaky mage-killers, who use magic they steal from their kills?

>>22119454
Hey, I played a Bosmer.

The Nords can scream about respecting religious freedom all they want, but the moment I start following *my* religious traditions and eating their dead, suddenly all their soldiers are trying to kill me!

Fucking hypocrites.

Also the Ring of Namira quest is hilarious with the way it treats eating dead men and mer as absolutely heinous and shameful enough for you to have blocked out the memory, when any proper Bosmer has been doing it regularly his entire life with no issues.

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>This thread
You clearly don't understand

>>22119977
Skyrim is a bland game with shallow storyline and Choosen One is clearly defined with his dragonsuperpowers, there is only one interesting thing. Civil war. Tough even it isnt that good. If stormcloaks werent racist ( lol i played dunmer who served in Ulric's army) everyone would be on their side.

>>22120068

I wonder if the universe will implode from hypocrisy when High King Stormcloak's independent Skyrim inevitably starts tearing down those Daedric temples you can find around Skyrim.

Nothing quite like someone who founds a nation based on a religious oppression issue oppressing religion.

>>22120109

I loved the Thieve's Guild storyline personally. The Companions plot was p good as well.

The central plot for Elder Scrolls games have never been good IMO, not even in beloved Morrowind. From a writing perspective the appeal is about the immersion, the characters and the individual memorable moments.

>>22119848
>minor slight

I want to make something very clear here, so LISTEN THE FUCK UP.

The banning of Talos worship would be like the banning of Christianity in the United States, with a death penalty for violations.

In fact, it would be the exact same. Massive rebellion as armed citizens pull out their axes... erm, I mean guns, and rally to defend their culture.

The repercussions would be MASSIVE.

>>22119891
Where did you get that picture from? That's awesome.

>>22120025
>And its a fantasy, so atheism does not exist
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Else_God-Hater
funniest thing?
She's a Nord

>>22119923
He turned Cyrodil into a lush land of fields, when it was formerly a hostile jungle. Think Amazon Rainforest --> Germany.

That's a pretty big fucking deal.

>>22120237
So why isn't she worshiping Talos, seeing as how Cyrodil isn't a jungle anymore?

>>22120034
>If the Nord's only interest in the world outside Skyrim after thousands upon thousands of years of mutual trade, defense and cultural sharing
Man. What the fuck are you talking about? So its like they must bend up and take it up the ass? I mean the yare on the losing side. Like, hey man, you are my friend, so pleas be fucked while i chill out in Cyrodil, ok? Just for sake of our friendship.
Religion is shitfuck important in fantasy. IRL Jews rebelled and fougth suicidal war against might of Roman empire, just because theur religion was too incompatible with Roman religion. Its a huge part of culture. You should look at it not like a modern atheist (lolreligion). Its was a defining feature of any medieval culture. But in fantasy world, were religion actually works, it is much more.
Its like tomorrow when America ( for example) were forced to turn all niggers into slaves, stuff all their women back to kitchen and put all gay people in prision. You thing nation would take it just for sake of peace?

>>22120293
Because herpderp Cyrrodiil now germany was lazyness on bethsoft's account and "talos did it" an equally lazy retcon that no ingame character or book even recognizes.

Basically, the way it's worded it's not a case of "Cyrodiil was a jungle, but not anymore. Thank Talos" but a case of "What do you mean, jungle? Cyrrodiil was always fantasy Germany, silly"

>>22120253
Meh, mortals could have done it given some time. Only difference between a god and a mortal is gods get to cheat, and then smite ya if you claim they're cheatin'.

>>22120253
She's actually in the Mythic Dawn.
Well, was.
After you find Martin she's one of the people that can attack you.

>>22120109
>If stormcloaks werent racist ( lol i played dunmer who served in Ulric's army) everyone would be on their side.

if the Empire didn't try to cut off your head in the beginning then everyone would be on their side.

>>22120237
Atheism dosent work like that. You cant hate something if you do not belive it exists. She hates gods, so she belives in them And she worships Dagon, so she worships a god, clearly.

>>22120342
What he doesn't even get is that it's not even a matter of the nation taking it. I'm pretty sure every nigger, woman, and gay would be taking serious action. That's a pretty big chunk of the nation right there.

He can't help but dehumanize nords. He doesn't realize that the Thalmor want to kill the Dragonborn (my dragonborn, that is). They want to kill mai waifu because she worships Talos. They're coming for you next. This isn't a matter of "teh nation needs peace gusie!", this is a matter of the enemy coming for you and everyone like you. Are you going to sit by while they genocide half of Skyrim for the god they worship?

Imperial or Argonian Nightblade?
Dunmer is out because fuck them and their ugly ass down syndrome faces.

>>22120369
Actually, Kirkbride's retcon (because it was Kirkbride the Glorious that wrote it for Bethesda) was exactly that. Heimskr in Whiterun is actually quoting Kirkbride's "From The Many-Headed Talos".

>And after the throne of Alinor did finally break at the feet of Men, and news of it came to the Dragon Emperor in Cyrodiil, he gathered his captains and spoke to them, saying:

>'You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.'

And look how the fucking Empire paid him back.

>>22120216

Yeah, except you need to complete the entire metaphor.

>United States, Mexico and Canada are all one country

>United States gets invaded. Soldiers from all three countries die, large parts of US are ruined by battle

>Invader is stopped by a last stand, treaty is offered

>Catholicism is banned in Mexico, large parts of Canada have to be handed over to the invader.

>Mexico has been completely untouched by the war, though many of its soldiers have died. Same for Canada, but the parts that are being handed over are mostly useless frozen tundra.

Tell me that Mexico pulling a Confederacy and seceding from the union because of the Catholicism ban isn't petty, short-sighted and selfish. I dare you. Is it a big deal, an obvious slap in the face, a bad thing for their culture? Yes on all accounts. But AMERICA BURNED FOR THEM. Cities are ruined, lands are scorched, fields are sewn with salt.

But hey, I can only pray in private rather than in public. Who cares about saving lives?

And by the way, banning a religion for whom active worship is a requirement for salvation and afterlife is on a completely different level from one where it isn't like Talos. And Mexico STILL comes off as petty and dumb in this scenario if you're not retarded.

>>22120179
Kinda turned off by the "Join the circle or nothing happens"

>>22120450
Nope. It's not short-sighted or petty. Death penalty for being a catholic? You really expect them to sit there and take that? When they already gave thousands and thousands of lives, their strongest and best? And now they're going to go through your basement, and when they see Grandma's alter they're going to rape your children to death with swords, make your wife disappear to god-knows-where, execute grandma publicly, and torture you for the next 3 or 4 years.

>>22120436
>Dunmer are out
You just walked into a big pile of netch droppings, outlander.

>>22120436
>even considering argonian
You n'wah.

>>22120488
>implying this is the first time religions have been persecuted

If the ancient peoples could fucking deal with it, the Mexicans can too.

>>22120450
>But hey, I can only pray in private rather than in public. Who cares about saving lives?

Not in private either, hidden shrines are used for ambushes, people from the wrong families are abducted and sent to Skytanamo where they are "questioned" until they confess to something, don't matter what really, and anyone named under such questioning are the next ones on the rack.

>>22120488
>Death penalty for being a catholic?
which was never enforced, untill after shit got kicked up
:And now they're going to go through your basement, and when they see Grandma's alter they're going to rape your children to death with swords, make your wife disappear to god-knows-where, execute grandma publicly, and torture you for the next 3 or 4 years.
which was only after shit got kicked up and the invading entity said "welp, looks like we can't trust your agents to enforce this bullshit. But don't worry, we've got just the right inquisition for the job"

>>22120507
>>22120499
The concept is a versatile character, essentially one that'll live though anything, and i figure one handed, light armor, alteration for utility, resoration for survival is pretty spot on, racial waterbreathing, poison and desiase immunity just adds icing on the cake.

Don't really see how "summon fiery ghost of grandpa" fits into that.

>>22120488

So we just tell all the Americans and Canadians who died to keep mexico completely untouched by the genocidal war effort the enemies were putting forth to go to hell because MY RELIGION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR FAMILY.

No one is saying the White Gold Corcordant was a good thing. But Skyrim's refusal to acknowledge that everyone lost something in this dumb mess is appalling. The idea that Cyrodil is a bunch of self-serving asshole who are spitting on Skyrim is offensive because it ignores that Cyrodil was COMPLETELY RUINED BY THIS WAR.

But Nords don't care about that. They care about their religion more than the thousands upon of thousands of people who are scorched earth because they wanted to stop the Dominion from destroying the Empire. Not Cyrodil, the WHOLE EMPIRE INCLUDING SKYRIM.

Religion is important. But not being willing to pray in secret rather than public and leaving your allies who have given plenty of blood for your sake to the sword of your mutual enemy over a cultural issue is despicable. Period.

>>22120533
>being this dense
Christians dealt with it because they were so big on the non-violent bit early on. Other religions rose up and answered with blood. Talos isn't exactly big on peace. So thank you for proving my point.

>>22120574
Except it was enforced. The enforcement just got more serious not because the Nords were getting angry about it. The Nords were getting angry about it because the Thalmor were getting worse. Then Ulfric came along and things exploded.

>>22120533
That is a pretty lame justification. Especialy if you consider the fact that death of old religion was at the time of death of their old states. It just means that empire is killing itself.

>>22120612
>Christians dealt with it because they were so big on the non-violent bit early on. Other religions rose up and answered with blood. Talos isn't exactly big on peace. So thank you for proving my point.

And out of all of those religions, guess which one is still sticking around?

>>22120587
Except that the Americans and Canadians signed a treaty so they could go about their lives as normal at the cost of Mexican lives, values, culture, and liberty AFTER Mexican soldiers already gave their lives to defend a land that wasn't theirs. They weren't even sure what they were fighting for, only that they were told to fight, and they lost, and now they're being oppressed while the US and Canada are going about their merry lives just as before.

>>22120645
Let's see... Christianity is, but mostly because they got all violent (see: Roman Catholic Church). Islam is, a religion founded on blood and killing people that don't join you. Judaism, a religion that's fought continually for its homeland and survival is. Buddhism and Hinduism are, although neither had the pressures that West Europe had.

So... your point is?

>>22120677
Except, you know, parts of the US and Canada are DESTROYED or occupied, while Mexico has stayed largely intact. There's also the part where the invaders fear a still united North American alliance and are doing everything in their power to shatter it.

>>22120710
Except they aren't. They sacked Boston, and everyone else is going about life like before.

>>22120685
Yes, but in most of these cases they didn't have a larger ally backing them up, so they really had nothing to lose.

Here, keeping said ally is the difference between Nazi-Elf domination of the world or forming an alliance go kick the shit out of said Nazi-Elves.

>>22120677

Except it wasn't only Mexican soldiers who were dying, and pretending that it was is fucking awful!

Cyrodil lost lives, and had tons of its land ruined, and it didn't give up on the Empire.
Hammerfell lost lives, and had tons of its land given away by the treaty, THEN had that land ruined, and it didn't give up on the Empire until it was forcibly ejected.

Skyrim lost lives and one god out of a pantheon of around 10 from one religion out of several, and its ready to chuck the empire out the window.

Nobody is going on with their merry lives. Nobody is living fat and happy under this treaty. Skyrim is lying to itself to justify a really stupid course of action that preserves its own cultural happiness at the expense of everyone else's physical safety.

And that is PLAIN. FUCKING. WRONG.

ITT: Ulfric apologists trying to shit up the thread.

>>22120757
Wait what?
How can Ulfric apologists shit up the thread when the thread started with Ulfric apologists?

>>22120710
Clearly this justifies further wrongs and oppression. Europe nuked the US, so that gives the US the right to oppress Mexico.

Totally makes sense.

>>22120757
Perfect arguement. But mine is even stronger.
You are asshole so i win.

>>22120746
The whole Empire lost the right to acknowledge the fact that a Man can and did ascended to Godhod.

All so one faction of a elven splinter-race wouldn't feel theologically degraded.

New law, it's It's illegal to claim knives are sharp, even though thousands can attest to it being so, and since knives are not sharp you cannot use them to cut things with.

>>22120785
It does if you're thinking in the long term, and that caving to a few treaty concessions means buying your several valuable years to build up strength.

>>22120785
hurr
But really, while it's easy to simplify this into 'empire/murrica vs skyrim/mexico that simplification in itself is wrong.
It's Skyrim vs Skyrim, with the empire butting in and helping the part of Skyrim still loyal to it.

>>22120856
Basically it's Fantasy Vietnam/Korea. Thalmor sparks a civil war because "lol fuck humans" and then suddenly the Empire gets involved to protect its interests. Anything else is just excuses to deflect the blame.