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I reach the warehouse, lungs burning. I pause and take a deep breath to steady myself, and check my clock. I have almost half an hour to make it the last twenty feet or so, and open the door.

As I catch my breath, a surprised Lancer and Rider catch up to me. "I like your hustle." Lancer comments, "But you didn't have to get here that fast. Don't wear yourself down before battle kid, you've got enough of a handicap."

Rider frowns. "I don't think he was running towards a fight." Lancer blinks, and then seems to realize what she's saying.

"Oi." He comments, smacking me on the head. "Leaving emotionally vulnerable women like that is bad, and especially unbecoming of someone so many women seem to put faith in."

"Scold me later." I respond, looking at the warehouse. "Right now, we have a rescue mission to focus on."

Lancer sighs. "Alright then. We grab Rin while you fight Archer?"

"Between my connection and his tracking abilities, finding her should be simple."

"But after she's safe, then what? Just see what happens?"

>?
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Fondle his junk.
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>Just see what happens?
Yep. Maybe they'll get to see us stab and/or convince the shit out of Archer.
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>>22348192
After she's back we've got the problem of avenger to deal with... getting her back is going to involve either convincing the fuck out of archer, or stabbing that prick in the eyes.
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>>22348192
After she's safe we should show Arch-Dick the wrath of the sword throne chair
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>>22348293

Failing that, they can save our ass.
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>>22348192
"I'll kick him in the balls."
Can we call Illya and ask for Brozerker backup?
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>>22348442

>You could try, since your phone is on you and you have her number.
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>So are you just going in then?
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>>22348651
Well, I'd like to call Illya, but I dunno what the others want.
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>>22348651
we shouldnt involve more people than we need to
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>>22348688

I'm for getting it over with, but I'd not mind if we ended up calling Ilya.
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>>22348688

I'd rather not.

Shirou gonna settle this himself.


Should have packed dad's jacket full of C4 first, though.
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>>22348788

Did we every check to see how much of that we have left? Archer might have used it all on the Matous.
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Do we actually have a plan besides DC 20 Beat Future Self?
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>>22348851
Ah fuck. I forgot he knew about the stash.

>>22348651
Onward! Towards wounds we could probably avoid with a modicum of effort!
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>>22348862
Learn UBW, have a spirited debate with future asshole Batman us, and go out for ice cream afterwards.
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>>22348851
I doubt Archer would bother with conventional explosives
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>>22348889
welp, good playing with you guys
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>>22348862
Rescue Rin, then multi-servant bumrush.
>>22348895
Well, he currently has no master so he's running on limited mana.
>>22348918
Oh come on, our DIPLOMANCY plans haven't failed once yet!
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>>22348936
>Oh come on, our DIPLOMANCY plans haven't failed once yet!
We're fucked now.
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"More or less." I respond with a sigh. "I'd rather give him the straight fight he wants, but too many people would be upset if I just up and died here." I turn and open the door, stepping inside. I spot Archer immediately, sitting on top of a cargo container on the far side of the floor.

"Good, you came."

"Where's Rin?"

"Nearby, and safe." He responds, hopping down from his perch. "Your friends are free to search the area for her while we conduct our business. Of course, if you somehow manage to defeat me before they find her I can simply tell you where she is."

I glance backwards, and Lancer nods at me. Hopefully he can find her quickly, or at least be in earshot if things go wrong. the two of them leave the warehouse to find Rin, leaving me alone with Archer.

He's watching me, expectantly.

[ ] Why are you doing this?
[ ] Why do you hate me?
[ ] Why involve Rin?
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>>22349120
why do you hate me?

let's just get straight to the point.
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>>22349120
"Why do you hate yourself so much? I mean there are way better opponents to fight around here than me to fight, or are you just that incompetent in your abilities?"
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>>22349120
[x] Why are you doing this?
"If you wanted to get me alone you could have been more direct.
Now, Assassin knew what he was doing. There I was, trying to sleep, then I wake up to him staring down at me.
But you? Oh no, you've got to be all indirect. I think there's a term for that. Stunned Ray? Or something like that."
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>>22349120
[]Why involve Rin?

The answer to the first two is obviously because he's a dick.
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>>22349120
>[x] Why do you hate me?
>[x] Why involve Rin?

Pretty sure he's doing this because he wants to kill Shirou.

I remember it being hinted at but can we get confirmation of whether or not Shirou has realized that Archer is Shirou?

After we kick his ass we demand he teaches us his future recipes.
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>>22349161
+1
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>>22349120
[X] Why do you hate me?
"Why do you hate me, or to be more accurate, why do you hate yourself?"

>>22349226
I think we have enough clues to put it together, it's a bit of a jump to assume, but his fighting style fit us perfectly, he did the racing and making copies of weapons like us, he snarks and cooks just like us. There's also the fact that we gave that one of a kind thing back to Rin and she already had it. It adds up.
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>>22349120

[x] why involve rin.
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we hadn't figured out why involve rin? Everyone's been harping on Shirou because he only does things for others
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>>22349344

Why Rin specifically. There were two or three other damsels in there that would have made nice hostages, why go for his former master?
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>>22349344

We know.

Shirou doesn't
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hrmm, I had just been thinking that since some of us assume that Shirou knows Archer is EMIYA, then "why Rin" would be cake
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"Why is it you hate me so much?" I ask. I suspect I already know the answer, but....

He smiles. "To be honest, I don't. It's... nostalgic. Reminds me of a simpler time, when I thought I could be a hero."

"Wait, aren't you a hero? I mean, if you weren't you couldn't be summoned."

"True. In a way, I guess I was. But the Throne the grail draws from isn't filled by superheroes who do nothing but thwart evil. 'Greatness' is it's only metric, and there are many murders and Traitors among it's ranks. I suppose that if you fail hard enough, the world wants to keep you around as a reminder- a mark of the opposite extreme." His voice takes on a bitter tone as he continues. "But that's not what you want to know. I don't hate you. I pity you, because I hate the man you become. so... blind to what the world has in store, but so earnest." He sighs. "I could tell you exactly what the world would do to you as you tried to help it, and you'd still walk the same damn road. You'd be thankful for the privilege until the bitter end."

"How do you know?"

"Because I did the same damn thing when I was you." He responds simply, finally putting into words the thing we both knew but didn't say. Of course, when I was you, we did this next to Ilya's grave in the hollowed remains of her mansion." He smiles. "It seems that circumstance spared her that fate this time around, though I didn't realize her significance until well after she was dead."

"Because she wanted to be my sister?"
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>>22349714

"Not wants to be, is." Archer sighs. "I almost feel guilty for doing this, but if I don't, then there's no hope for any of us."

"How so?"

"If I'm you, then you're me. If you died, then I couldn't exist. Few things can affect the Throne of Heroes, outside the world as it is. Paradox connected to your own timeline and direct access to the Root are the only two things I've ever even seen the potential in."

"You don't want to kill me." I respond, comprehending. "You want to kill yourself."

"Sadly, you're collateral damage." He responds. He sounds... tired. "It's selfish and horrible of me, but it's all I can do. I lived my entire life for other people, and signed away my soul to continue even after the grave. Instead of averting catastrophe, I became the cause. The world at large doesn't care for the difference between victim and aggressor, good and evil. All it sees is a disturbance worthy of a purge, even when something so small as a hug or a honest conversation could have ended it before it began."

I don't have anything to respond with. He became everything I wanted to be, and now feels like the world wants to punish him for it. As I stand there shocked, he continues.
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>>22349718

"I kept going, all my life. I buried my friends and allies, left behind grieving widows in my personal war against evil. I spent most of it alone, and died young hated and feared by the people I was trying to help. And only after it was over to I get to see how pointless and futile it all was. I couldn't save everyone. In the end, I couldn't save anyone, and no one man can really impact the world in a meaningful way like that. And now, at the end of everything, I finally have something I can call my own. A wish. After all that's happened, all I want is for it to stop. And all I have to do to get it is hurt the very people who meant the most to me in my entire life." As his eyes meet mine, I feel the full weight of centuries of despair behind them. "And god help me, it's a damn small price to pay."

"That's...." I see my entire life in a new perspective, and it's almost dizzying. ".... that's really what it's come to?"

Archer laughs bitterly. "I can't see another way. I've been look and thinking for so long. I don't even know how many times this cycle has repeated, but this is the only hope I have. The Paradox of a post-contract Shirou killing a pre-contract Shirou should be enough of a Paradox to free me into true death." He shakes his head. "Hell can't be worse than life."

>Any retort?
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>>22349753
"why not tell me the cheat codes to get a better ending then?"
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>>22349753

Retort with our weapons! Screw this guy, dying is for suckers.
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>>22349753
As you said, "I'm still gonna walk the same damn road".
Trace... ON
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>>22349753
"What was Rin's Archer like in your timeline? Did he succeed in killing you? It's called a "paradox" for a reason Emiya Shirou. You have to be in your own timeline to effect the kind of change you'd like on your past. How much of this Grail War has gone like it did in your life, and how much of it can be traced back to changes you caused? I'm enough different from the Emiya Shirou who became Servant Archer than all killing me will do is wet your hands with more blood."
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>In the end, I couldn't save anyone
I don't have a retort but this is patent bullshit right here. The only way we could not have saved ANYONE is if he was so ridiculously inept that he somehow had a dual origin and element of Sword & Failure.
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What, this guy couldn't wait until things were more or less over before he went for the whole murder-suicide-whatever?

I mean, seriously, now? Now he dumps all this stuff on our plate?

We're busy.

Look, just...let's just promise him we'll let him kill us when the rest of this crap is through. Lah-dee-dah, everybody's happy. Jeez. It'll be our last act of heroism. Freeing this dude from his...prison? Prison.
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>>22349753
"I don't know what you call you, Archer seems impersonal, Emiya could work, me would just make the conversation confusing, I think I'll go with Big Brother.

We both know that I'm not going to stop trying to be a hero. But the truth of the matter is that deep down you're still me, you still want to be a hero.

When you did this your version of you, your Big Brother, you fought, you either won or tied, and he came back at the end.

You could have hurt Rin, but you didn't, you couldn't. You still want to protect the innocent. You won't actually kill me, you know I'm innocent and without me people we both care about will come to harm.

Enough is different this time around that you don't have any assurance that it'll even work.

Big Brother, just this once, I want everyone to live, and deep down you do too."
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>>22349753
"Can we do this AFTER we've prevented the Grail from becoming a sentient, malevolent god?"
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If you have yourself much why dont you help yourself and guide yourself to take a better path a sure fire way to make one of yourselves happy and successful
Then hold out hand for a handshake

Then finaly say asshole
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>>22349844
>>22349880
both of these combined is best answer, seriously not hard to do guys.
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>>22349890

I'm going to vote for this, just for the sheer 'what' factor.

There's no freaking way he'd be doing any of this if he knew something that batshit was on the table.
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>>22349912
We could also mention the whole "soulless" thing. How about we ask if killing us when we don't have a soul counts?

Has the twin benefits of us letting act like Shirou and mining for more info.
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>>22349941
Oh yeah, telling him that we don't have a soul, killing us won't do a damn thing. But killing Avenger might do something.
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>>22349935
>>22349941
>>22349953
So most of these can be summed up by "Dude. You have no idea how fucked up this War has become"?
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>>22350001
Well, my suggestion(s) is(are) more like, "Technicalities dude, and circumstances!" The other is "Fuck be shit be going down."
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I'm switching my vote from attacking to one of the 'What the fuck, Archer, not now" options.
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>>22350001
>Dragonslayer in the background.

Nice.
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>>22350001
Sorry, off-topic, but is that Ichigo from Bleach's and Guts from Berserk's respective blades in that picture?
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>>22350085
Aye. And Caliburn's in the center there with Excalibur closer in the foreground and a bit to the left.
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Alright, so it looks like the main points we're aiming for are-

>Say we're sympathetic.
>Point out flaws in his plan, up to and including that it won't work on the face of it, and that it really doesn't affect our plans/goals.
>Inform him of recent developments, including the loss of our soul and the whole 'Grail is achieving sentience' thing.
>See if we can achieve temporary peaceful solution at least.
>Probably fail.
>Eat a UBW to learn his technique.

At least that's how it reads to me. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong.
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>>22350085
I see 'em, and I swear that's one of Geralt's silver swords next to Zangetsu.
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>>22350106
>>22350085
honestly, i'm surprised the buster sword isn't there too.
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>>22350106
b-b-but he can't into Excalibur
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>>22350110
nope that sounds about right, everyone ready for this?
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>>22350125
that's what I thought the Dragonslayer was until I got a closer look.

also surprised that the Master Sword isn't there either.
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>>22350132
Spoilers within. Text from the Unlimited Blade Works TM wiki page.
While it is not possible to reproduce Excalibur, Emiya claims that it is possible to reproduce an imperfect version likely to drain him of all of his prana in a suicide attack. Shirou using Emiya's arm in the Heaven's Feel route states that he would be able to project it if Saber Alter were to give him time, but believes that he cannot handle the sword and that the difficulty of doing such a high level projection in battle would make it impractical. He uses it at the cost of his life during the normal ending to destroy the Great Grail.
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>>22350125

The buster sword in the waaay back by gut's sword. It's easier to see in the 'rough draft' version of the pic though.

Actually, looking closer they might have removed it.

>>22350132

Actually, he can, kinda. It's just a lesser version of it. Ish. He can make a thing that's Excalibur shaped enough to perform the same function at a lesser level.

Of course, that level is still so far above what he can handle that it still kills him instantly.....
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>>22350147
I thought that's what Excalibur was for a moment until I took a second look.
Though the same couple swords are placed in all over the place if you look carefully. The one with a green gem in the hilt and the one whose hilt is a V (that you can clearly see in the foreground.)
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...And I was JUST about to go to sleep too...
Oh well, I still have three weeks until the next semester starts. I can deal with it.
>>22350110
Yeah, pretty much this. Hell, if we can't save Archer, we should at least put off the fight until after Avenger is dealt with. Archer is still going to attack us on the impossible hope that he'll stop being a CG, but at least we can say we tried first.

You know, if Archer does survive, I want to compare notes with him on how our Grail Wars differed, if only for the "What." Archer gives us afterwards. I'm sure the differences between Zouken and Kirei would get a big one out of him.
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>>22350287
archers memories of his own war aren't perfect due to the timeline altering...
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I hesitate, and the sigh, finding the resolve to look him in the eye. "I'm not sure what to say to that. I won't pretend to understand what kind of pain you've gone through to get there. If you're anything like me then I can't even imagine the kind of pain it would take to get you to turn your back on your ideals and your desire to put others above yourself."

He blinks, apparently surprised at my sympathy.

"I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm not even sure what to call you. Are you even me at this point? I mean, you said Ilya died for you, so maybe we're not the same. I don't know." I sigh. "Here's what I do know. We both know that I'm not going to stop trying to be a hero. But the truth of the matter is that deep down you're still me, you still want to be a hero."

"That's not entirely true." He responds, staring at me.

"Then tell me, what happened when you were me in this situation? Did you give up and run? I don't think I could win a flat fight with a servant, and I'm pretty sure you were the same. The only way you would've survived that fight is if he changed his mind."

He stares at me, but somewhere I can see the resolve slipping away.

"You could have hurt Rin, but you didn't, you couldn't. You still want to protect the innocent. You won't actually kill me, you know I'm innocent and without me people we both care about will come to harm. Enough is different this time around that you don't have any assurance that it'll even work."
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>>22350500

He shakes his head. "It's all I have. You talk big about ideals that you haven't had tested yet, and you want me to give up the only hope of stopping the unending hell I've been trapped in because feelings would get hurt." He looks at me. "Maybe you're right. I'm not sure I'm willing to accept that though. I've already done so many impossible things that one more doesn't seem like such a big deal to me."

"We can't at least put this off until we find out why I don't have a soul and stop the grail from turning into a sentient engine of hate and ascending?"

For a full thirty seconds, he does nothing but stare at me blankly. "What?"

"Yeah, remember how weird things were with the Shadows and Avenger and vampires before you went on your backstabbing spree last night? Things have gotten significantly weirder since then. Kirei is seriously considering the nuclear option and just having the Magic Association and the Church invade in force."

"Wait, I killed Kirei to stop him from completing his evil plans."

"Evil plans?"

"Yeah, starting with that other Archer surviving."

"... Kirei had no idea he was even alive. He was as shocked as the rest of us when he arrived at the Church."

I can see Archer doing full on mental gymnastics. "I.... what?"

"Still think you've got the right idea in killing me here?"
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>>22350505

He shakes his head. "Perhaps I miscalculated. In any case, I can't pursue my own goal when a clear and significant evil of that scale is around." he hesitates, and then smiles. "We need to make this look good. Nobody will question the story if I crack a rib, and then our enemies will think us divided."

"Wait, what?" I ask, trying to catch his new train of thought.

"I can't go back to being Rin's Servant. Things were said that can't be unsaid. Even if she could forgive me nobody on your side would trust me since they know I could just be looking for a better chance to kill you."

"... So we have a go and say we hate each other?"

"If you're willing." Archer responds, his old swagger coming back now that the tension's had a chance to drain.

>What say?
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I know that this isn't suited to what's going on but I have to go to work soon and I usually miss these threads so I want to through it out now. Ilya mentioned that the Einzberns gave Kiritsugu a wife. When we next get the chance we should ask her if she can tell us about our mom.
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>>22350534
...That's exactly the in we need to save Illya. Thank you based Anon.

>>22350511
>What say?
"The wheel of fate is turning. Heaven or hell, let's rock!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apRtamRa3NI
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>>22350511

"Yeah, if I'm honest I've been wanting to beat the smug out of you since the first time we met."

>>22350534

Well, Archer did just flat out tell us that Ilya's actually our sister, not just wanting to be.
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Can i punch you in the dick? Just a small tap. please just alittle aniki archer?
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>>22350511
The Fearless Man bears the scars of his convictions Archer. *That* is the name that the clocktower will end up giving me once they finally give me one.
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>>22350511
>What say?
Alrighty then. You're still a huge dick though.

Does "Show me my moves!" sound incredibly ridiculous to anyone else?

Not sure how I like the possibility of not obtaining UBW.
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>>22350511

"At least the acting like I hate you part will be easy."
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"Might as well. It'd be good to get this aggression out."

It might not be to the death, but I think both Shirous need this.
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>>22350511
"Thank you, we can hash all of this stuff out later.

Before we start stabbing each other I have a few questions. Is there any magic I have potential or affinity for beyond tracing and reinforcement? It's just a gut feeling but I don't think that's the end of what I can do. Do you know where Avalon is? Will you support us in this fight, even if you have to do it from the shadows? Do I ever learn to cook Chinese food right?"
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>>22350605
(Man, that sword with the crooked hilt. How the fuck do you miss that in the final makings of the image?)
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>>22350511
I don't know... I'm going between asking Archer if his Independent Action will make him last long enough and how much help he'll be against Avenger without a Master supplying him Prana, bluffing and saying "well, I'm not sure how well faking it would work at this point, Rider and/or Lancer probably overheard you already", and saying "Archer, we've got Lancer, Rider, Caster, Saber, and Berserker all allied together. If we can get a nigh-impossible team up with 5 servants, we can convince everyone you're on our side for the time being."
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"If I'm honest? I've been wanting to do this since we met." I respond, calling the swords to my hands. I realize I've stopped thinking of them as 'his' swords, now just 'the' swords. In the back of my mind, I wonder when I'll start thinking of them as 'mine'.

"Heh. At least the pretending we hate each other will be easy." He responds, mirroring me and calling his own pair of blades. Then I hear him say something else, under his breath. as quiet as the warehouse is, I hear him perfectly. "I am the bone of my sword."

"What?"

He smiles. "the first part of casting a spell is always centering and readying yourself. After a while, it gets easier, especially if you cast the same one a lot."

I realize that he's right. Before, projecting seemed to take everything I had, but now....

He senses my hesitation and leaps. I realize that even if he doesn't intend to kill me now, he certainly isn't pulling punches.

[DC15 combat check]
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Rolled 9

>>22350728
Incoming nat 1
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Rolled 20

>>22350728
I am the bone of my fumble
Forgive me.
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>>22350742
You. I like you.
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>>22350742
YESSSSSSSS.
I am the bone of my sword
Steel is my body and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unaware of loss, Nor aware of gain
Withstood pain to create weapons, waiting for one’s arrival
I have no regrets. This is the only path
My whole life was UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS!
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>>22350742
HA!
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Rolled 20

>>22350742
I love you, man.
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>>22350760

Wow. I love me too.
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>>22350742
>>22350760
This will be GLORIOUS.
My only regret is that we're using the 20s not in a life-or-death battle instead
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>>22350760
Right. So...yeah. That makes us crit brothers, right? Love you too.
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>>22350742
>>22350760
Oh crap, we're going to accidently Archer
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>>22350742
>>22350760
Oh my god.
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>>22350784
I think we're going to accidentally a UBW and be like "Huh, that was interesting."
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>>22350742
>>22350760
and then we just obtained UBW
good job guys, you kick ass.
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>>22350760
>madcap laughter
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>>22350742
>>22350760
Everyone load up Emiya in their playlists right the fuck now.
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>>22350798
>>22350803
I think we'd only UBW on three nat 20s.
We're going to get a fuckton closer though.
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>>22350806
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqCsqSqr1Jg

Here's mine.
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>>22350806
Way ahead of you. Remiyax v4 playing right now.
Link if anyone wants a solid hour of Emiya remixes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxc7QLLxohE
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>>22350811
to be fair though, this would be roughly the perfect time fpr shirou to get UBW if ever, so you could argue for circumstance bonus's to be had, so i would almost think 2 crits would be good here best.
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>>22350825
>solid hour of Emiya remixes.

You are a good person.
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>>22350742
>>22350760
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>>22350849
We became the bone of our sword.
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>>22350806
I have like 7 versions going since I hit the first 20.
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>>22350849
Rolled 1d20 for combat.
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>>22350849
We figured out how to use Time Alter.
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>>22350849
confirmed crit.
sir i think the only possible thing you CAN do is let UBW happen, watch archer get his shit kicked out of nowhere and throw your notes out the window.
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>>22350849
Time for Shirou's YouHaveFuckedUp face?
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>>22350854
>not being the boner of our sword
ISHIGGYDIGGYDOWOP!
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>>22350849
Used up our Nat 20s in nonfatal combat, when we will undoubtedly need them later.

...So if three nat 1s would kill us, what would three nat 20s do?
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>>22350988
I don't know, apotheosis?
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>>22350988
I think last time we rolled this well was to save us from Tiga's cooking.
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>Pair of nat 20's
We totally just earned the right to wear Papa K's coat. Which...are we still wearing it?
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>>22350996
I think the second nat 20 for that wasn't in the first three rolls though. Otherwise we would have made ambrosia out of burnt w/e Taiga was cooking.
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I step into his swing and under it, countering with a kick to the stomach that he rolls back off of as I try to counter his advance.

"Steel is my body and fire is my blood." Archer says as he spins his blades into mine. I begin to realize, it's not just a form of meditation.

It's an incantation.

"I have created over a thousand blades." He continues. The blades are moving so quickly between us that I can hardly see them anymore. I reinforce my eyes to compensate. Then I realize that I don't need to.

His moves are my moves.

"Unknown to Death, Nor known to Life."

His spells are my spells.

"I have withstood pain to create many weapons."

It's not just an incantation, it's a poem. A description of self.

"Yet, those hands will never hold anything."

I understand now what this is. The length of the incantation, the power of the spell tingles at the edges of senses I don't have. What is this spell? What is he casting?

"So as I pray, unlimited blade works." He finishes, stepping back out of my reach as his swords vanish.

I see lines of fire cracking like whips and racing across the ground, setting a boundary field.

I watch as the lines dance and form a circle, and the world falls away. As a new one takes it's place, I wonder what's going on. I know how he cast it, I heard the chant and saw the magic.

As my vision clear, I realize I could do this too. It would be difficult, but I could, in theory. I can't even imagine the mana needed though.
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the question is did AC guy actually proceed to kill himself or is he actually doing stuff.
i'll laugh my ass off if he fell asleep.
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>>22351188

"What is this?" I ask, trying to comprehend. We're standing in the middle of a field of swords, larger than my eyes can even see. Great gears turn in the sky, and molten rivers of metal flow around the rubble and the blades.

"This is a Reality Marble." Archer Answers me, and I see him standing in the middle of the rubble, not far from here. I can feel that he reigns over this wasteland like a King as he watches me. "A great forbidden magic that puts form to the user's mind and violates reality."

I struggle to comprehend the concept. "An entire world of swords?"

"They all take different forms. since in the arcane sense my origin and element are both 'sword' this is the form it takes."

"So then, your Noble Phantasm...." I say, thinking of the twin blades we both favor, and others I've seen him Produce."

"I have no such thing. I did not wield any holy swords nor demonic swords. The only thing I have is this world. If a Noble Phantasm is the symbol of a heroic spirit, this Reality Marble is my Noble Phantasm. I can reproduce and store any weapon that I see the original of. That's the power of my Reality Marble." He looks down at me. "You have something similar inside of you."

[ ] How is this possible?
[ ] How does this work with our magic?"
[ ] Why does it feel like a graveyard?
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>>22351195
[x]why does this feel like a graveyard?
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>>22351195
>[ ] How does this work with our magic?
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>>22351195
[X] How does this work with our magic?"

"I thought our my magic was tracing and reinforcing. This isn't tracing. How do I bring this forth? What exactly is it?"
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>>22351195
[x] "How does this work with our magic?"

"Exactly how many swords could I make in a world of swords?"
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>>22351188
>>22351195

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5M4AM2D041o#t=681s
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>>22351195
>"...is there a chair in here?"
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>>22351195
[x] How does this work with our magic?"
[x] Why does it feel like a graveyard?

In that order.
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>>22351195
[ ] How does this work with our magic?"
engage swordgasm
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>>22351195
>[x]why does this feel like a graveyard?

>>22351299
Oh please yes
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>>22351299
Dare him to make one. Double dog dare him!
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>>22351333
>archer makes a chair that also explodes on him
>we laugh our asses off.
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>>22351333

This would be pretty entertaining.

I vote we do it after >>22351303
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[X] Did I die a virgin? This is important.
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We must learn quickly.
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>>22351457
>Shirou, Virgin?
Please, this guy has almost as much swag as Shiki
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>>22351485
Unlimited Shirou Works? But I see a Saber!

Does that mean deep down inside, Shirou is a little girl?
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>>22351515
Aren't we all?
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>God dang it's late, might as well head to bed, seeing as I'm sleepy and all--
>SUDDENLY FATE/STAY AGAIN QUEST
>AND WE'RE FIGHTING ARCHER
>AND JUST ROLLED TWO 20S.

....Well. Fuck. Only one thing to do.

Laugh.
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"So how does this work with our magic?"

"All our magic comes from this." Archer responds. "Projection is a part of several basic schools of magic. Reinforcement and Analytical being the most important factors. There's some Alchemy too."

"Alchemy in swords?"

"It makes more sense when you realize that Alchemy can transmute not just objects, but concepts."

"Wait, I thought you copied swords. But if you're...." I blink. "So not just weapons you've seen, but ones you can create and modify here."

"Projecting them here is also easier than projecting them in the real world. Technically when you summon a sword it's not projection, but a form of limited summoning."

I can feel my own person world shifting as I begin to understand. Then I notice what's bothering me.

"The Reality Marble is a reflection of self, right? Why does this feel so much like a graveyard?"

Archer looks away, across the expanse. "I couldn't save everyone. Everyone I failed to save. The victims and the unsung heroes. The ones who followed me and died. The ones who opposed me not out of malice, but misunderstanding. The idealist who pointed their beliefs in the wrong direction." He looks down. "It's a small tribute, but the least I could do. In a way it is a graveyard, if you consider a graveyard a means and method of honoring the dead."

[ ] So what's our next move?
[ ] Do you have any advice on the war?
[ ] My magic is nothing like this.
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>>22351578
[x] So what's our next move?
[x] My magic is nothing like this.
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>>22351578
[]Next move

We can ask about advice on the war later. He'll probably just snark about hormones anyways.
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>>22351578

>[X] So what's our next move?

Does he still want to fight us or not?
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>>22351578
Reiterating "Can you summon a chair"
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>>22351578
[X] So what's our next move?

[X] My magic is nothing like this.
"It's like this, but it's not. I don't know exactly what it is, it's still full of swords, but it isn't a graveyard, it is not full of regrets. I suppose this is the closest thing I will ever see to someone's soul."
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>>22351578

>[ ] My magic is nothing like this.

We know we need to deal with Avenger/Grail corruption investigating next.

But what the fuck is this option?

Every single instinct I have is telling me to pick this one.
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[X] Do you have any advice on the war?
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>>22351625
>[X] My magic is nothing like this.
Because i don't see any chairs anywhere
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>>22351578
"So any hints for a better tomorrow?"
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>>22351629

Actually, if this is a reflection of self and Shirou doesn't have a soul, what happens if we UBW?
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>>22351647
so my question is does archer have a soul, this is actually a viable question because if he doesn't then UBW does what it does either way, if he does then we fucked up massively somehow.
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>>22351647
I don't know.

I'm pretty sure we can do it, if we couldn't we couldn't pull project other people's NPs, but it would be interesting to see.

Maybe it'd be a blank void filled with swords.
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>>22351670

We can test this. All we need is for Rider to suck on Archer a little.
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>>22351645
changing my vote,
Inquire about souls and wtf has happened to ours
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>>22351732
this.
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"So what now?" I ask, looking at Archer.

"First, I need to show you this." He responds, and hold out a hand. I can somehow feel it, in the pit of my stomach. He's calling every sword in this land.

I look around, and I see them. All of them. My head feels like it's going to explode. And as it happens, I realize something.

"My magic is nothing like this."

"What?" Archer asks, surprised. "What do you mean?"

"I mean, the magic you're describing. It feels... off. What I do is similar, but... can you feel the magic? Can you trace structures and buildings? Can you hunt the ebb and flow of mana?"

Even as I ask, I know the answer to my question. Archer gives me a shocked look and walks up to me. "What?"

"You don't, do you?"

Archer shakes his head, and then he grabs me by the wrists, and closes his eyes. He spends a few seconds focusing, and then his eyes snap open. "We have dramatically miscalculated."

"What?"

"We aren't the same person."

"Well, duh. I mean, choices and exper-"
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>>22351802

"No, I mean we are literally different people. You aren't me and I'm not you. I'm not even sure WHAT you are." I can see his mind racing. "How the hell are we so similar?" He asks, and then shakes his head. "We need to part ways, now. Whatever you do, don't tell ANYONE what just happened, or what we talked about. ANYONE." I feel an intense burning sensation on my right shoulder, near my old injury. "Alright, that shouldn't be sticking, but the fact that I just gave you a magic crest is a sign of how wrong things are."

"I am so confused...."

"Yeah." I feel the walls of illusion drop away, and we're back in the warehouse. "Me too." He then kicks me in the chest, and I fly into one of the cargo crates nearby. I lay there, more stunned than hurt as he leaves.

"Archer...."

"I'll stay in touch." He responds, as he vanishes from sight. Moments after he leaves, Lancer opens the door and looks around before spotting me.

"Hey, we found the girl." He says, running over to me.

"Yeah?"

"Yeah. She's a little stressed, but she's more or less unharmed." He hesitates, looking me over before running his hands over various parts of my body. "You've got a cracked rib, and it looks like you popped your shoulder out of place." He frowns. "Should be easy for me to fix though. Did you win?"

>What say?
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>>22351805
"we reached a mutual agreement through our blades"
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>>22351805

"I think he just let me win. Not without a beating through"

Lets pretend we fought.
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>>22351805
"He kicked my ass."
>>22351819
We were JUST told not to tell anyone.
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>>22351805
"Hey there space pirate.

Didn't win, didn't lose. I got some hits in, he got his own in, he decided to finish this later. Though I have the nagging feeling he let me hit him."
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>>22351805

"He heard you coming and ran. Now quit molesting me, you'll make the girls jealous."
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>>22351805
"Fucked if I know." Groan, get up, refuse to say anything else, insist on seeing Rin.
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>>22351805

Well, if you can count surviving a fight with Archer a win, then I guess you could call it that. Ow.
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>>22351824
Not this. Don't tell anyone, remember? We still don't know who lancer's master is, and don't want people knowing that he isn't against us
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>>22351805
"I... I don't think so. He was toying with me, I could tell. Every time I traced a weapon he'd answer with the same one but better. Once he broke my guard it's like he lost interest, just hit me and left. Didn't even say anything."
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>>22351805
>I feel an intense burning sensation on my right shoulder, near my old injury.


Either foreshadowing, or I forgot something important. First thought was some kind of bleed-through with HF Shirou, but that was the left arm.
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>>22351805
"Why did you come to get me instead of Rider, she's prettier than you.

Since Rin's safe and these injuries aren't fatal I think I'll count that as a win."
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>>22351195
>>22351578
>>22351802

UNLIMITED X WORKS TIME
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>>22351834
would "Undrestanding" fit better than, not implying that we've re teamed up but arnt try to kidnap teenage girls anymore
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>>22351802
>>22351805
FUCKING WHAT?
how in the flying fuck arn't we the same guy?
alright guys we got all kinds of what the fuckery going on.

also i think we accidently broke archer mentally by completely and utterly fucking up his conception of the world.
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>>22351884
Place my Vote towards this ^
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>>22351888
Oh god those fish
>>22351884
Also going with this
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We could always ask if Lancer's master knows anything about souls / lack of one, etc. We've asked just about everyone else, after all.
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>>22351870
Archer gave Shirou a magic crest
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>>22351892
My bet is that we're really an aspect of Avenger, just like in F/HA.
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>>22351903
The "old injury" was the part I was referring to.
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>>22351903
so if we have a crest can we get a servant again?
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>>22351901
He just might

on a side note, i do not have enough images of this glorious fucker
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>>22351805
>I just gave you a magic crest
The last thing ANY Shirou needs is a magic crest to shit all over people with, especially not one from a Counter Guardian.
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>>22351916

It's probably referring to when Shirou hurt his arm and dropped out of Archery.

I think it was more a location than anything else.
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>>22351892
Given that we were told we looked like someone magic a copy of a magician, and ending up with something extremely fucking strange, I'm guessing we're a created being. Maybe Emiya Shirou, the real one, is currently an aspect or otherwise affiliated with Avenger, we were made by someone or something to replace Shirou. I'm not sure how we summoned Seiba though.

>>22351916
That might be referring to the stab wound we got from Lancer at the beginning of the story.
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>>22351805
>"No, I mean we are literally different people. You aren't me and I'm not you. I'm not even sure WHAT you are."
What.
Wait. Arcer is EMIYA Shirou... Clearly this means we're not "Shirou" Emiya.
A lot of things seem off with the backstory and the end of the last war. Kirei sees Gilgamesh die and was just as surprised as us when he appeared. Zouken didn't get the shards of the Grail and turn Sakura into the black grail (although still used Rapeworms). End of the last war our memories of Avenger were blocked, and Avenger gave us a gift.
We don't have circuits, but we're using our nerves as a huge circuit. Cain was summoned instead of Heracles, and that had to of happened before F/SA started. Too many things are wrong here. It's entirely possible that Kiritsugu didn't rescue Shirou, and some other child was rescued and named Shirou Emiya.
New priority: Learn EVERYTHING we can about how the 4th war ended. Too many things are different to use any of our metagamed knowledge on F/Z.
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>>22351925

Are we sure he is Lancer's master this time around? Something fucking weird is going on with him, man.
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>>22351932
>the stab wound we got from Lancer at the beginning of the story
Maybe, at some point, WE CAME BACK WROOOOONG or something. Or maybe Avalon succeeded in making the first anthropomorphic sword.
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>>22351916
Canon. The reason Shirou quit archery was because Shinji harassed him about the scar he got from work being on the part of his back that's visible while in archery uniform.
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>>22351932
actually as a response to this i actually think we may still be the original shirou and that as he may be an aspect of avenger and avenger took something from us, that fucked up the original aspect of what the crap shirou is.
so in other words shirou is still shirou but got fucked utterly hard by avenger being an ass.
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>>22351932
>I'm not sure how we summoned Seiba though.
Didn't Avenger say something before about having given us something and then, later after we lost Saber, that he was taking it back? Maybe he was referring to whatever it was that let us contract a Servant.

So, since we're some sort of weird construct...thing I don't fucking even something we need to make sure is on the To Do List:
>Become a real boy.
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>>22351956
Shirou had actual magic circuits. We don't, we use our nerves instead. Our fucking nervous system. That isn't how mages are supposed to work, that's not how Shirou or this Archer does stuff.

>>22351958
Entirely possible, he might have used us as a proxy summon thing, summoned her through us and then let us keep her.

And we don't need to be a real boy, as long as this body of ours can protect those we care about and keep our harem satisfied we can live with it.
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>>22351940
>Kiritsugu didn't rescue Shirou, and some other child was rescued and named Shirou Emiya.

AC-Guy hasn't read Tainted Ideals but that doesn't mean his "think tank" hasn't. I bet we took in the grail and it kept us alive but then Papa K found us anyway.
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>>22351974
didn't we have multiple people look at our nerves originally. we had an utter assload of circuits that was closeto our nerves but rin noticed it.
THEN illya said we don't actually have curcuits but nerves.

something changed in between then and now.
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"Why did you have to come get me instead of Rider? She's prettier than you."

"Well if you have enough blood in your system to think with your dick, you'll probably live." Lancer responds with a smile. "Is Archer dead?"

I shake my head. "No. I'm not sure I CAN take him in a straight fight."

"We lost then?" Lancer asks with a grimace.

"Since Rin's safe and these injuries aren't fatal.... I think I'll count this as a win." I respond. "Archer's rogue, but unless he finds another Master he won't last a week, even with his independent action."

Lancer nods, and then bites his thumb, drawing a rune on my chest. "This will hurt." He says calmly.

He's right. It feels like someone poured molten metal on my chest. I look up and see Rider walking Rin into the room. I bite my lip so I don't scream from the pain when I see her.

I force myself to my feet, and I'm upright if a little shaky. I have barely enough time to brace myself when she hits me and throws her arms around me. "Oh god, I'm so sorry." She begins. "This is my fault. I figured out who he was and why he didn't like you, but I figured I could talk him down. If I didn't let him go at the church....." The rest of her words are lost in a sob on my chest. Lancer and Rider both seem surprised at her loss of composure.

"Hey, it's fine. I'm alive, and we're going home." I tell her, giving her a gentle pat on the back.

"You could have died." She responds weakly. "All because I was too stupid to see this coming."

>How calm?
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>>22352041

Give her the dick.
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>>22352041
"Relax Rin, I'm the kind of guy who wouldn't die if they killed me. And we've kinda got much, much bigger problems at the moment. Like me missing my soul. Well okay, that's number three behind Avenger and the grail becoming an evil and self-aware godlike entity. Not necessarily in that order."
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>>22352041
>How calm?
all the calm.
head to the church, clam rin down, chat with illya about their mother so that things can go better between them.
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>>22352041
>You won't be too stupid to see this coming
>*grabs dick*
I'm sure this Shirou has a little bit of /jp/ in him.
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>>22352041

"It's not your fault Archer's a lying prick."

>>22352061
Let's feed her before throwing all this horrible stuff on her shoulders. We've already put one girl into shell-shock today, we don't need a second.
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>>22352041
Hug her back, gently rub her back to calm her down.

"Rin, you're safe now, that's what matters to me. That's the important thing. Now stop beating yourself up before I have to resort to extreme comforting measures, that's my job, literally.

Now let's get you home, everyone's waiting for you, and there's a lot of things going on that we'll have to catch you up to speed on. But first I'm going go make you a decent meal."
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>>22351996
OR one of them didn't look close enough.
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Kiss Rin.
On the forehead.
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>>22352041
"There are bigger problems brewing. Gonna need you to get your game face on."
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>>22352106

That's right. Get her all flustered and angry. Way better than being upset.
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Seconding this action ^
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>>22352116
If we say "I'm glad you're safe Rin." Kiss her. "I don't know what I would have done without you." I think the dere will overpower the tsun given recent events.
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>>22352106
Now Char here knows how to handle the situation.
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>>22352106
I wholeheartedly endorse this noble endeavor.
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>>22352083
I'm going for this
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>>22352106
Tossing my vote in for this
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>>22352251

I'm in for this, but keep forehead in reserve in case the extreme comforting is needed.
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>>22352106
>>22352083
Combo of these two are perfect.
Hug and then a kiss to the forehead.
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>>22352272
After the kiss on the forehead "That was the third of seven levels of comforting gestures I have available to me. Do not force my hand and make me say 'there, there.'
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the perfect level of snark-flirt
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I sigh and rub her back a little. "Rin, you're safe now, and that's all that matters at the moment. That's the important thing. Now stop beating yourself up before I'm forced to resort to more extreme comforting measures."

She punches me weakly. "I wasn't in danger stupid, the whole thing was a trap."

"I'm fully aware of that." I respond calmly. "I knew that going in, and it's not your fault that Archer's an asshole."

"But-" She looks up at me, eyes accusing, already calculating the next insult. I cut her off by giving her a gentle kiss on the forehead, and her brain grinds to a halt.

"Now let's get you home, everyone's waiting for you, and there's a lot of things going on that we'll have to catch you up to speed on. But first I'm going go make you a decent meal." I tell her, and point her in the direction of the door. We begin to walk out, and I whisper in her ear. "Last day's been an eye opener. Didn't realize between the planning and the talking how much I've come to rely on you."

Rider gives me a rather.... appraising look. Lancer merely gives me a thumbs up, putting one arm over her shoulders while he winks at me.

I don't know what she did to him, put when they caught up to us a moment later, he was walking with a limp and keeping a respectful distance from Rider.

When we arrive back home, Sakura immediately tackles Rin and starts crying relived. She briefly grabs me and cries a thanks before releasing me to divert ALL power into hugging her sister.
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>>22352313

I walk to the kitchen, and see that Taiga and Ayako are chatting.

I pause by the table. "How are you feeling?" I ask her. "I'm sorry I just ran-"

She waves me off. "No, Sensei explained things to me. Apparently there's an evil Genie forcing people to fight for his amusement? You're organizing a rebellion or something?"

".... Close enough." I respond with a sigh, noticing the food that Ayako cooked is still mostly warm.

[ ] Check on Caster/Saber.
[ ] Catch Rin up on events.
[ ] Explain what's actually happening to Mitsuzuri.
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>>22352317
Oh Taiga, you card.
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>>22352305
I like to think he actually has a list of his comforting measures ordered by how serious a situation warrants them.

>>22352317
First things first, eat some food and grumble about how people are stealing our kitchen from us.

[X] Catch Rin up on events.

She's been out of the loop for a full day, we need to catch her up if we want her help, planning, and advice to be helpful.
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>>22352317
Explain what's actually happening, with extra emphasis on the "And then the mage's association killed everyone involved who knew about magic and wasn't supposed to. Taiga."
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>>22352317
>>22352313

[X] Check on Caster/Saber.
[X] Catch Rin up on events.
in that order
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>>22352317
[ ] Explain what's actually happening to Mitsuzuri.
Let us explain further
This smacks of "Oh no, I'm perfectly alright" and then we get stabbed when we're sleeping.
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>>22352317

[] Explain what's happening to Mitsuzuri

The last part of our story will contain the events since Rin's kidnap, so she'll be caught up too.
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>>22352350

Uh, we're the ones who told her first. Taiga was just trying to clarify the situation.
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>>22352317
[x] Check on Caster/Saber.
Taiga's version is good enough for now, and Rin is going to be powerhugged for the next hour or so.
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>>22352317
[x] Check on Caster/Saber.
Also, call Illya and tell her we need to talk. Soon.
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Why hasn't Rider raped Ayako yet?
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>>22352389
Because she's waiting for the perfect opportunity to ravish us.
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eye food suspiciously then proceed to cook a Meal for Rin, we promised to make something for her, emphasis on us making it.
> Spaghetti epoch
I like your thinking captcha
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>>22352364
Taiga's the one most likely to spread it around with the best of intentions. Making light of this much or at all can be terribly dangerous, particularly to normals.
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>>22352317
Make Rin food, we said we'd cook something for her and god damnit we keep our word.
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I take the opportunity to step past the two of them, and go to where Caster is. Saber appears to be taking her position as Caster's guard seriously, giving me a sharp glance before her expression softens, recognizing me.

"Did you win?"

"Mostly. We saved Rin, which was the main goal. Archer got away though."

Saber gives a sharp nod. "Faced with two servants he would be well advised to." She comments.

"No, Lancer and Rider didn't catch up until the fight was over." I tell her. "I sent them to make sure Rin was safe while I fought Archer."

"... And you won?!" Saber asks, astounded.

"Not really. I managed to hold my own until he retreated though." I look at the door. "Can I go in and check on them?"

Saber hesitates, and then nods. "Yes, go ahead."

I step inside the room, and I see Caster fretting over her Master.

"Any change?"

"Not yet." She responds. "I've tried a few things, but since I destroyed my item creation skill early on in the war, my abilities are somewhat limited."

She seems rather concerned so I put a comforting hand on her shoulder.

[ ] Ask her if there's anything you can do to help.
[ ] Ask her if she wants Rin's opinion.
[ ] Tell her that rue love conquers all.
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>>22352473
[X] Ask her if there's anything you can do to help.
[X] Tell her that true love conquers all.

"Caster I know you care deeply for him, and I'd bet he feels the same for you. If there's anything I can do to help please let me know, I want to help.

He's a good man, you couldn't have found a better one if you searched the entirety of Japan. He'll come back to you, he's not the sort to give up or leave you alone."
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>>22352489
yes we must inform Rin of all the shit that pours down from the skies while feeding her our immaculate home cooked food,
>>22352473
informed about love and what not
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>>22352473
[x] Tell her that true love conquers all.
[x] Ask her if she wants Rin's opinion.
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>>22352473
[x] Ask her if there's anything you can do to help.
Guys, hey guys.
We really should see where Avalon got to. Caster might know a locator spell or something.
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>>22352522
That might help, though I thought that Avalon would only heal it's 'wielder', ie: Saber or her master / holder of Avalon.
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>>22352537
Saber said it would help heal Sakura.
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>>22352544
Welp. +1 to Asking after Avalon.
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I just realized that the only way the quest can become more of a clusterfuck after the thing with Shirou having no soul would be Archerko showing up.
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>>22352557
I want this to happen. Because that would make it a better sort of clusterfuck.
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>>22352567
I´m not entierly sure if that would be a good thing.

Especially since she wants Shirou`s Manarod, too.
Yeah, get this, an older Rule 63 version of you wants to get into your pants. I can already see Freud rotating in his grave at the speed of sound.
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>>22352557
How much more chaos is caused depends entirely on which Archer that gets 'ko' ed. FEmiya would be bad.

Mother F*cking Ishtar, on the other hand...
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>Ah fuck. My internet's acting up again. you guys think you can keep this alive until tomorrow night, or should we call it a thread here?
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>>22352618
Why not both?

Two more additions to Rin's Harem. I think Shirou's life will be in more danger after the war due to potential sexual exhaustion than it is right now.
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>>22352627
We can. Good night, AC-guy.
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>>22352627
NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And we only have ~60 posts left, may as well make a new thread when you run it again. Also, what timezone are you in?
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>>22352627
We're already at 241 posts. May as well call it and start anew.
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>>22352627
Probably best to call it, archive it, and start afresh in the morn.

>>22352597
... Sigh. I don't often ask, but: Link, please? That looks horribly hilarious.
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>>22352627
Have you ever considered moving out of Africa and staying somewhere where technology doesn't run on hopes and dreams?
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>>22352657
http://hentailicio.us/read/fate-stay-night-dj-sword-dancer-chapter-0-sword-dancer/

There you go. Even though it even showed up in Google-Imagesearch, so yeah, you suck.
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>>22352684
He's lucky this didn't happen on /a/.
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>>22352684
More to the point, image search via Google plainly does not work on my phone. All it does is open the Google homepage. Image search via IQDB does work, but it had no relevant results. Neither did the IQDB links to SauceNao or TinEye. So, yes - Googlefu on android is limited, therefore sucky. Thanks for the link, insults not withstanding.
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Bump
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>>22352657
Best Fate mangoes time?

Anything by Ronpaia. Especially the one day series. An absolute must if you like Rider or Ayako.
(C72)[Ronpaia] (Fate) Square Root Mitsuzuri
[Ronpaia] Mitsuzuri_sion
[Ronpaia]Heartcaught_Mitsuzuri

(SC34) [Ronpaia (Fue)] Emiya-ke no Koyuu Kekkai na Hanashi. Reality Marble-like Stories of the Emiya Household.
[Ronpaia] Carefree People

[Ronpaia] One Day! Vol 01-16.(17 is still RAW)

[Ronpaia (Fue)] Eco Rider Kanzenhan
(COMIC14) [Ronpaia (Fue)] ecoRider 2

Hiroyuki
(C81) [Jishou Seijunha (Hiroyuki)] I Want to Tease Poor Zero Saber More!
(C82) [Jishou Seijunha (Hiroyuki)] Fubin Sugiru Zero Saber ga Ijikeru A Very Pitiful Zero Saber Grows Timid

Tohsaka-ke no Kakei Jijou

[Something-or-Other, Anonygoo & tmh] Double Spiral

_Himura_Kiseki___C79___Yuuzai_Shouko_Bukken_Nigou___FSN__(ENG)__LBB_

I need your help guys. does ANYONE know what's up with Ronpaia? I can't find anything more recent than vol.17 of One Day! and that was from the end of 2010.
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WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOR SO LONG?
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>>22358148
Because you touch yourself.
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>>22358148
Be strong comrade, for you do not wait alone.
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[X] Ask her if there's anything you can do to help.
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>>22355494
>no Fate/Kaleid Liner
What are you even doing.
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>>22361369
Kaleid Liner is "official." The ones he posted look like doujins.
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"Anything I can do to help?" I ask.

"I managed to feed him the porridge you made before." She responds. "He seemed to like it?" She hazzards thinking. "It's hard to tell."

"It might help to make some more then." I respond. "As much as love can comfort him, it won't help an empty stomach."

Caster freezes. "This again?" She asks nervously.

"What, do you really think it's that well hidden?" I ask, looking at her. "It's visible to me, I'm terrible at romantic things, and we literally just met. I doubt carrying a sign would make it clearer."

"Well you're wrong." She responds, fretting. "We aren't in love. He just.... he-"

"Oh." I respond, comprehending. "You haven't told him, have you?"

Caster sits back, defeated. ".... I can't."

"Why not?"

"I can't stay here when this is over." She responds. "I tried to cheat, gaining more power and even a servant. I tried to find and change the grail to help me make an advantage." She shakes her head. "But there's nothing but dust and echoes. There are several sites where the grail could be summoned in this town, and none of them bear the marks."

"So what then?"

"It's hopeless." She responds simply. "He doesn't know and I don't intend to tell him. He's not a magus, so there's no way he could sustain and keep me when this is over, and I don't think I can win the grail."

"Wow." I say with a wince. "You're really optimistic and cheerful."

She laughs, surprisingly non-bitter. "I got to meet him. That's far better than what I had."

>?
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>>22363935
Whoa, we're back.

"And you think not telling him is better than telling him anyway? He's going to die eventually, maybe of this, maybe by getting hit by a car the day after he wakes up, and maybe of old age thirty years from now. There's no harm in telling him your feelings. If he refuses them one he's an idiot and two he won't. If he says yes, then however much time you have together will make the rest of his time on this rock that much better. Just something to think about."
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>>22363935
"I believe Avenger is responsible for all this crap with the Grail. If we kill him, it might be restored. Maybe.
But giving up now won't help anyone."
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>>22363935
"Don't suppose you could use the leylines to get your mana?"

We can't trace magical items yet right?
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>>22364094

Technically Archer's swords are magical items. So, uh. Yes. We can.

Fairly sure we're stuck with magic items of a swordy nature, however.
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>>22363935
tell her about the 'romantic escapades' incident with Rin, and how he let Shirou off. You'll bet anything he's a romantic at heart.

Now that I've gotten the fluffy stuff out of the way: ask what she knows about our souless state, the nature of Angra Mainyu, stragne things about the lake at the temple, etc
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>>22363935
Don't you have a ton of ley lines to draw on? I mean if all you're going to do is maintain your physical form then couldn't you use the magic you'd drain from the area and the towns folk (In moderation I mean keeping everyone a bit fatigued) should buy you enough time to create a physical manaquin or something to shove your spiritual form into right? When I say I want everyone to survive I don't just refer to the modern humans.
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Would analyzing a person's body work to find a problem?
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"Alright, let me tell you something." I say, sitting next to Caster. "A few days ago, Rin and I had a conversation at school. We were working together to do things like investigating the boundary field and such, and needed to sneak away for the second half of the school day."

"What does this have to do with this?" Caster asks, confused.

"Because he caught me." I respond, gesturing to the man laying in front of us. "Asked me why I was trying to sneak out in the middle of class. I panicked. I knew I couldn't say taiga let me out, or that I was sick. I was trying to come up with a lie that might work when I blurted out 'romantic escapade'."

"Really?" Caster asks with a snicker.

"I am a terrible liar." I respond. "So there I am, disappointed in myself because I just told the strictest teacher in the school that I was skipping class because of a girl. Which I was, though it was just a LITTLE more involved than just going on a date. And you know what he did?"

"What?" Caster asks, smiling.

"He let me go. He assigned some mild work detail paid off retroactively due to all the help I did the student council for the sake of paper-work, but he basically let Rin and I go free. I don't think she even knows it happened." caster gives me a look, and I gently give her a pat on the shoulder. "Talk to him. If you're so convinced that you won't last another week then you've got nothing to lose from it."

Caster nods thoughtfully, and I leave the room to make him some more porridge.
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>>22364829

When I return to the kitchen, I note that Rin is giving Taiga and Ayako a critical look which then turns to me in between bites of tempura udon.

I may need to consider serious military action to reclaim my kitchen at this rate. Also, Rin seems upset with me, but that feels like saying gravity exists.

"Shirou, why are you spilling important secrets of Magecraft to everyone? You know that's not something 'accepted' by the community at large."

>Angry Rin, What do?
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>>22364838

"Because I can't do the memory thing and you got kidnapped. Seriously. Projection and Reenforcement only. Also, I didn't actually TELL Ayako about magic, I just said you'd been kidnapped. The, uh, memory thing seems to have come off, though."
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>>22364838
"I don't mean to tell people these things, it just sort of happens! And I figure that if people know what's going on they're less likely to want to get involved with this crazy shit. Though come to think of it, the more I find out about what's going on the more trouble I wind up in. I might need to rethink this plan."
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>>22364838
"I don't see the community at large coming to help anytime soon. What I do see are people who are going to get caught up in a fight that they have no reason to be a part of."

It's better if they have some information instead of none at all.
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>>22364838
"Why are you all stealing my kitchen? Seriously, I like that kitchen. I'm going to reclaim it and cook for you people instead of you cooking for me, it's like you don't even respect my cooking skills.

As for why I'm spilling secrets I don't have much choice. I can either tell them I'm doing 'stuff', heading out in the middle of the night and coming back with broken bones, disappearing at strange times and hanging out with odd suspicious people. If I did that they investigate further and get targeted by the massive clusterfuck that this war has become.

Telling them helps them understand the gravity of the situation and steer clear of things instead of bumping into them.

Also I can't do that flashy memory thingy that you do."
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>>22364933
>This
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>>22364838

Make porridge, ask her to come help you and Caster and then have our little 'talk' in private.

No reason to drag everyone into this.
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>>22364933
>>22364999

Combine these?

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe it's best if mom and dad didn't fight in front of the kids.
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>>22364170
We'll keep making swords until we realize the true nature of our soul in a grand epiphany.
Something to rival Emiya's Reality Marble.

>I am the base of my stool
>Wood is my body and polish is my blood
>I have crafted over a thousand chairs
>Unused to standing, Nor used to laying down
>Withstood splinters to carve seating, waiting to take a rest
>I have nowhere to sit. This is the only seat
>My whole life was Unlimited Chair Works
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>>22364838
"why are you eating that?" "didnt I saw I;d make you something?"
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>>22364838
>>22365037
This. Excuse me for tattling, princess, but I can only lie "seizures" so many time before the men in white coats cart me away. YOU mindwipe your allies, then! See if I care!
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>What's the plan then? Pull Rin aside and have a chat like >>22365037 said?
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>>22365228
Yup.
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>>22365228
As good a plan as any.
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I take some porridge left over from earlier, and move to take it Caster, beckoning Rin to follow me. As we step into the hall-

"Shirou, do you know what might happen to them just for knowing?"

"I can't do the memory thing and you got kidnapped. Seriously. Projection and Reenforcement only. Also, I didn't actually TELL Ayako about magic, I just said you'd been kidnapped. Your brainwashing seems to have stopped working though."

"And Taiga?"

"After Archer left with you, Avenger told us that if we left the Church he'd kill us with his weird shadow-magic. I mean, I was able to cheat around that a little, but it wasn't like I could keep hiding it from her at that point."

Rin looks conflicted, and then shakes her head. "Alright, maybe it was the best thing at the moment. I guess I could always do the wipe later so they don't get killed." She bites her lip and looks away, sorry for freaking out like that. Anything else I should know, other than all these people getting informed?"

"Well.... I was gonna see if you could help Caster while you were here, she's allied with us for the moment by the way, and also I seem to have lost my soul at some point."

Rin turns to me, shocked. "Wait, what? How?"

"I have no idea. So far the experts aren't convinced I'm actually human." I respond with a shrug. "But that's a problem for later. For right now, we need to consolidate what we have and work on the 'Avenger' problem."
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>>22365553

Rin enters the room with Caster and does a double take when she sees who her Master is. "Souichirou-sensei?" She whispers to me, confused.

"Yeah. Also, I'm fairly certain they're in love, but Caster doesn't like being confronted by the fact." It take every bit of self control I have to not add 'like you' to the end of that sentence.

Somehow I think Rin knows I was thinking it anyway, from the look she gives me before going into the room.

Saber just watches the whole scene with an elaborate disinterest, choosing instead to watch Lancer.

>What now?
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Now I hope that when we finally find out what's going on with us we just get to go
"So thats what is was. I was totally going to blame ancient aliens."

More seriously this is such a cluster fuck.
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>>22365568

let's give Rin and Sakura the D
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>>22365568
Talk to Ayako, and see how much she remembers. Now that we don't have to as much problems to deal with we can do damage control.
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>>22365568
Why not askeveryone what they would do if they were an evil genie trying to coax an evil wish granting device into sentience. Ayako and Taiga might see this from an angle we haven't thought of and we need to track down Avenger and end him.
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>>22365568

Guys, why is Lancer still here?
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>>22365695
Because we invited him over?
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>>22365705
So, like, did Lancer just decide to follow us in to the hall or something?
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>>22365568
Call Illya, tell her the Grail may be attaining sentience and is fairly grumpy about it.
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>>22365568
We should probably get working on the whole understanding our lack of a soul thing.

We know how UBW works now, we know a bit about the basis for our magic, maybe some meditation and looking inward to our internal nature might get us somewhere.
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>>22365724

>Actually, he's standing in the Yard, which is visible from Caster's Room.

>Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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>>22365724
He's very friendly.
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>>22365753
Like some sort of puppy!
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>>22365724
We're back into the main room. We left talked to Rin delivered porrige and came back.
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Here's a novel idea: Let's ask Kirei about souls.

That sounds like something a Priest would have down, and it seems like he's not evil (Or as evil) in this timeline.

Clearly he's not plotting to derail everything, what with Gil not being his Servant.
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>>22365790
Didn't Archer say he killed him?
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>>22365790

Or he could be a very good actor.
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>>22365705

Yeah, but...

>"My Master apparently wants Rin to live. I have no idea why, but I'm not going to hurt you until that's resolved at least."

Technically, that has been resolved. I'm not too worried, but I'm glad Saber's keeping an eye on him.
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>>22365823

He thought he killed him during the back-stabbing spree.

Pretty sure he's alive right now.
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>>22365630

Second. Ayako just had something of a traumatic experience, kinda, and we DID say we'd talk to her when we got back.
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>>22365568
Rin, can you magic tricorder Souichirou and see if there's anything you can do to help him.

Also, is there any way to keep a servant going post-grail war using ley lines are anything?
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>>22365568
So, let's talk shop.

"I lack a soul, a leftover from Grail War 3 is fucking with us, Sakura's evil grandfather is sending invisible stalkers so he can chat with me in my bedroom, and I can't even have my kitchen to myself. Answers, people, can you give me any?"
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>Maybe I'm just out of it, but do we have a consensus?
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>>22366108
Not quite yet. I'm all for having Rin check Souichirou and then calling for a war council.
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>>22366135
How about we have her check him while we talk with the others.
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>>22365790
Seconding this idea. Now that we got Rin back, we may need to set a meeting to unlock the geas preventing Kirei from relaying info regarding the past Grail War.

He did mention he could only say it to the Tohsaka heir.

Also might need input from Ilya regarding these info while we're at it.

Will we ever mention the magic crest we got from Archer, or does that qualify for info we should never mention?

>>22365823
I thought this happened in Archer's timeline, not in this one?
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>>22365823
Archer THOUGHT he killed Kirei when he abducted Rin. Lancer healed Kirei and since then we've been making Kirei our party's cleric, pointing him at whoever needs to be healed.
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>>22366175
>magic crest we got from Archer

I want to say we keep that to ourselves, but I'll defer to someone who know what the hell that is. From an in universe standpoint.
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>>22366211
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Thaumaturgical_Crest
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>>22366175

I'd lean towards never mention on the magic crest bit.
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>>22366255
In that case we should stay quiet about it. It could be our ace in the hole if someone tries to betray us.
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>>22365923
I agree with this. The problem is we don't really have a definate lead to chase and any wrong moves are playing into Avengers hands. Also Gilgamesh is walking around and pissed so there's that.

Wait, wait ,wait wait. We need to get Illya here ASAP She's currently the biggest target as the grail core.
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>>22366135
This. Should we call Ilya and Berserker over first so we have the whole party giving solutions, or let them rest for the time being?
>>22366406
Well, that answers that. Get here here, now. We -do not- split the party.


Things that we need to discuss at some point in the war council:

>Avenger keeps implying that Shirou is helping him somehow, and that we have some sort of connection through Avalon or something. Avenger also commented on how he's being non-linear, and that a mage blocked our memories of Avenger.
>Tell Rin we don't know why we look like Avenger, unless it's because of the hypothetical bond between us, Avalon, and Avenger.
If we do call Ilya, >Ask Illya if she can, using her connection to the grail and the 3rd magic, see if we are in fact connected to Avenger and how.
>Mention that Avenger apparently gave us something and wants it back
>Mention that Zouken said that the fragments of the last grail vanished before he could nab them. Avenger: "No Shirou. YOU are the grail."
And most importantly, >Request and/or demand full access to OUR kitchen. We're in a war that has so many things that could go wrong, we need time to cook to calm down and relax between disasters.
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>>22366490
this.
completely and utterly this.
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>>22366490
>Ask Illya if she can, using her connection to the grail and the 3rd magic

We don't know about her connection in character do we?
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You guys fucked up! We had the perfect chance to tell caster that our wish was for true incarnation for our servants and we wouldn't mind add a certain greek mage to that list of servants. March over there right now and tell her so she and her husbando can live happily in Hawaii
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>>22366591
Except that's not our wish. Our wish is for everyone to get through this alive.
We'll worry about what happens after, after.
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>>22366591
Dude we know the grail is tainted IC and that no one is getting a wish any time soon.
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>>22366490

>Alright, assuming this is the plan I'll get to typing as soon as I eat dinner.
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>>22366589
No, but we do know about the third, so we can ask her if she can sense the connection with the third, and hope that Ilya will search for any connections, not just connections through the third magic.
We might not know she's the lesser grail, but Ilya would probably notice if there was a connection between Shirou and Avenger through the Grail if she's was already going to search with the third magic.
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The bump limit's 300, right? This post makes 321 replies.
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>>22367256
We're still a good ways off from the last page.
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>New thread: >>22367529



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