Oh, boy, where to begin

>non-newtonian liquids
>the Mpemba effect
>ferrofluids
>superfluids

>>22759629
Supercooling.

Hell, anything that science puts 'super' as a prefix.

That supercooled atomic gas that goes below zero Kelvin and is actually hotter than any matter should be able to get.

>>22759642
Of course, how could I forget supercooling

Now that I think about it, so many things seem magic that it's amazing. I mean, take the average person on the street. Do they know how computers work? Sure, they know it has to do with electricity, or even that 1s and 0s somehow factor into it, but their understanding is equivalent to a peasant's understanding of magic as "having something to do with life energy or something". Mages are just scientists operating under different physics.

>>22759731
Yeah, but that is just a mathematical oddity in that its being under 0 K doesn't mean it has negative average energy, it just means that entropy decreases as heat is pumped into it. It's still unsettling as a concept, though.

I have no idea what you are talking about, that shit looks nice thou, is it expensive?

>>22759731
>>22759874
can I get a name to google-fu?

>>22759731
>>22759874
What.
I mean... What? What is this theory called, I must look this up.

How about that structural foam that expands when stretched?

>>22760295
Reading about cool things is cool. Looking at cool things is even cooler.

>>22760223
like $2.50 per lb

>>22760324
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDbSWSm5i8

auxetic foam

>>22760261
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130104143516.htm

>>22759874
Not really. All it means is that when there's an upper bound to energy levels of particles, it has the same effect on entropy as the lower bound at 0K

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mj-Sq2oeo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoB0pM2VASg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qSEfcIfYbw

MAGIC

>>22760356
dear god man

http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/27-science-fictions-that-became-science-facts-in-2

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The future is here, people! And it has magnetic slimes!

>Aerogel
An ultra-low-density solid, possibly lighter than air if constructed properly, that is completely immune to the effect of heat.

>Buckypaper
An aggregate of carbon nanotubes 500 times stronger than steel while only one tenth the weight by volume. A t-shirt made of this material would be more resilient than a modern tank's forward armor.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoB0pM2VASg

I feel like I should need to make a SAN check after witnessing that.

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>>22760478
Pic of aerogel.

>>22760460
>Invisibility Cloak Technology
>Stem Cells Could Extend Human Life by Over 100 Years
>Chimera Monkeys Created
>Diamond Planet Discovered
>Human Brain Is Hacked
>First Planet with FOUR Suns Discovered
>Microsoft Patented the "Holodeck"
FUCK YEAH

>>22760529
That is quite literally what a shoggoth looks like.

>>22760460
shitting myself in fear currently

>>22760563
>shitting myself in fear currently
It was that headless Terminator looking robot, wasn't it?

>>22759814
>>22759642
Super Cooling was discovered by scientists watching a lake for some reason; they saw a leaf drop onto the surface in the morning and saw the surface freeze solid. At least that's how it was told to me in middle school. Cool story.

>>22760613
maybe that was just a really really cold leaf

This isn't quite as good as these examples, but a friend of mine works in a laboratory where they gave kittens neon glow in the dark fur. Not for any reason, just to because they could. They made glow in the dark kittens just because.

Humanity, fuck yeah.

>>22759814
"Any form of science adequately advanced will be inseparable from magic" or something like that.

>>22760461
If only ferofluids weren't usually toxic.

>>22760478
Can I get a power armor made out of alternating layers of those materials, so as to be invulnerable to any existing weapon?

>>22760681
Why does it matter if they're toxic? You don't plan on ingesting a ferrofluid slime girl, do you?

>>22760551
>planet with four suns
i confus

>>22760661
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Is what you're going for.

I CAME!

>>22760661
>>22760705
yes, Clarke's Law

corollary to that is "If the magic is not indistinguishable from science then it is not advanced enough"

Which is really good for writers and story tellers, "If you can do it with science, why the hell are you doing it with magic?"

I like that one, but it lends too much credence to WIZARDS!

>>22760696
...
It could happen.

>>22760683
>plasma strips off bucky paper
>gun strips off aerogel
>plasma strips off bucky paper
>gun strips off aerogel
>...
>your armor has been destroyed

what you need is one layer that does both

>>22760551
Not to be a downer but that holodeck looks like that microsoft surface projector they touted at the last gaming convention.

Essentially its just a bigger screen.

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>>22760356
>the temperature scale simply does not end at infinity, but jumps to negative values instead.

>When a number gets too big, it goes negative
>Where have I seen this concept before?
>???
>Achieve Chim

>>22760865
I... Wait.
Oh FUCK. The universe can have overflow errors?
Pardon me while I zero-sum.

>>22760865
You don't understand thermodynamics, n'wah

>>22760879
At the opposite end of the spectrum, you get zero-point energy, where there is so much nothing that you actually end up with infinite power.

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>>22760907
Yeah, yeah, of course. I understand completely.

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Aerogel

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Nanometal lattice.

>>22760529
That's nothing compared to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF--HNn2-M

Magic is merely science that someone doesn't know how to explain yet.

When they can, it's no longer magic.
And smart people are no longer wizards.

Uhhhh, wait what?.... is that cold fire?

>>22760700
Binary star systems are quite rare.
Three (trinary?) stars orbiting in tandem very often end up with one being cast off into the cosmos from a random effect of the gravity...

>>22761112
Really hot fire goes blue.

Just like really smart people don't have to wear shoes with velcro.

>>22760460
So is it basically saying that it's able to reach a negative temperature because they change what the maximum energy that the material can reach is?

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>>22760865

>>22761155
wait are you saying binary star systems are rare? or ones with planets are? because i am sure the former is just plain wrong, as far i know binary systems are the most common ones there are.

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>>22761057
>It suddenly looks like a crawling human figure at 1:06, just before he turns the bowl

>>22761201

America recently raised the bar when it comes to determinate if a person is obese.

America now has less obese people than 2 years ago.

>>22761057
brb, fetching shoggoth gun

>>22761257
Oh crap, someone's seen through my astronomy bullshitting!
D-don't tell anyone!

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>>22761260
Fuck that shit.

Burn. EVERYTHING.

>>22761272
It's kind of sad how that analogy makes sense.

>>22761272
>determinate
>pointing out Americans as a MURRICAN
ishygddt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QrgTtZXuj4w#!

Yes. Yes I would enjoy such wizardry.

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This is how I artificer

>>22760822

Still pretty slick.

From what I gather, it's basically a projector and a camera.

>Projector tosses out a grid
>Camera looks at the grid and determines the layout of the walls
>Software takes that layout, creates an uninterrupted grid from the point of view of the camera
>Projector spends the rest of the time sending modified video based on that, creating the illusion of distance and such that extends beyond the confines of the room

>>22761444
hngghfblargh

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minds will be blown.

>>22761539
I read somewhere how to make that stuff, you just get regular sand, or coloured sand if you want to be fancy, and spray it with the stuff you get to waterproof suede shoes.

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>>22761539
That's some shonky business, mate.

>>22761589

Yeah, it's just regular sand that's been evenly coated with a hydrophobic layer.

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>>22760865

>>22761637
>>22761589
Scotchgard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDzWSdndJbw

More of an alternate sound board to look at while you're playing music than magic, but still pretty damned bitchin'.

>>22761680
...So basically, it's a steampunk version of the equalizer display on a stereo system. Powered by fire.

Well then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkkWya-oun0

Motherfucking invisible tanks.

>>22761680
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Q4tirAOmU
Step it up.

>>22761751
My god, that looks fucking wicked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-fNK_lhAorM

Step it up.

This is one of the two reasons science exists

Tehe other is to make us not die in 2039

>>22761849
What happens in 2039?

Fuck you. Graphene? That's not magic. You know what is magic?

Seeing around corners and taking slow-mo videos at a TRILLION FRAMES PER SECOND.

I'm talking so slow you can see the light fucking move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FC6udrMPvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9vd4HWlVA&feature=youtu.be

>>22761862
Great big fucking asteriod

>>22761089

Just because a science fiction writer said it doesn't make it a law of science.

>>22761879
Holy shit, being a cyborg is going to be fucking AWESOME.

>>22761884

You're on 4chan. People accept shit science to save them from being gay for wanting to fuck traps. You expect them to understand that Scifi writers aren't speaking the Word of God?

>>22761260
FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS COMMENT

>>22761973
>gay for wanting to fuck traps
But it's not gay if it's a girl's dick!

>>22761539
I have a little bottle of that stuff somewhere. Got it from one of my high school science teachers.

>>22761973
Some of us aren't like that. People forget that not all science fiction writers probably don't know science.

>>22762045

I understand my friend. I understand, and my heart goes out to you.

Let us join forces and cleanse the idiocy.

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>>22762045
>People forget that not all science fiction writers probably don't know science.
...What?

>>22761862
You do NOT want to know.

>>22761882
Nope. The initial fly-by was not too long ago, and it missed the keyhole by several hundred thousand miles. We're good.

>>22762148
Oh cool

But at the same time, damn, I was hoping to witness the greatest moment of science 26 years from now

>>22761862
I finally get my masters in genetics

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>>22761884
>>22761973
You, you!
<- - - - - - - - - -


But anyways, Clarke's third law isn't a law of science- I'm not even sure if there is a thing- it's an observation: What seems impossible to us, is perfectly mundane to another more learned.
T-shirt fibres that are stong enough to take the weight of a car (and probably split the car in half)? Nanotubes
A fluid that becomes almost solid when struck? Non Newtonian fluid
Almost instant communication that will allow you to contact someone anywhere in the world that works in about 95% of cases? Phones and the internet
Instant communication, possibly anywhere ever? Technology using quantum entanglement.

>>22760645
I work in life sciences, and if true that sounds unethical as fuck. What the hell is wrong with your friend?

>>22762434
Also a written out argument for why "forerunner species did it, deal." can be used without shame, but there was nowhere I could cram that in and sound convincing.

>>22762446
I think someone just read an article then made something up. Similar to most science journalism really. http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/2011/09/glow-kitties/

>>22762446
How is that unethical? It doesn't harm the kittens in any way.

>>22762499
that's what I was thinking. Besides, his team might just be experimenting on combining bioluminescent genes with mammals. I know other animals have had this done, not sure if it was tried with mammals. I'm gonna go read that linked article now.

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>>22762446
Dude, would you have complained were he to say his friend was seeing if he could make glow-in-the-dark spiders, or scorpions?

>>22762542
yeah, we've had bio-luminescent bunnies for years (japan).

The point of it all is to see if and how the bio-luminescent genes could be used as a tracer in genetics related experiments if I remember correctly.
After all it is a lot easier to see if a gene is expressing itself, if it is linked to another gene that makes that bitch glow.

>>22762499

Shit. Hide the chimeric monkeys.

>>22760645
Science, all about coulda, not shoulda

>>22762567
If you shine a black light on a scorpion, they seem to glow. It would be pretty cool, if I wasn't terrified of them.

>>22762629
pour alcohol on them (i think ethanol, but maybe it was isopropyl) in any case they kill themselves if you do it.

Now there is no need to fear them, you know their weakness.

>>22762629

Black Light bulbs in your more scorpion-infested regions might not be a horrible idea.

Of course the average fa/tg/uys room will look like a giant glowing paradise...

>>22761884
That doesn't make it less true. To the dimwit, the concept of non newtonian fluid will be HOLY SHEET! BURN THE WITCH!

>>22762499
You think that sounds unethical?

There's a story that runs around the biotech lot at my campus. They were doing this exact same thing with whatever gene brings out that bioluminesence. Well, for whatever reason the gene wasn't expressed or pronounced or whatever term you wanna use. So here this group is with a bunch of useless baby chicks that don't glow in the dark. Wat do?

They had an intern break something like 500 chick necks. Now, the reasons are obvious, but still, that's unethical as fuck having one person do that.

>>22762657
only around the 40k love pillow, and around the dragon dildo

>taloffie mistrss
yes captcha, we know...

>>22762683

Which is bullshit.

For that many chicks you just pump in gas. Much more efficient, and common in labs.

>>22762567

oh god how horrifying

>>22762683
yeah, they shoulda used 2 people to do it, just like my granma used to do when we had chicken

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>>22762705

Picture failed to post.

Tens of thousands of chicks gassed for being male.

>>22762705
Jesus, how awful.

>>22762732
JESUS CHRIST, HOW HORRIFYING, NO REALLY.

>>22762732
>McNuggets.jpg

>>22762683
I'm confused. Why did the not glowing chicks have to die?

...Couldn't they just hand them over to some free range joint. Or use them for some other experiment?
Or sell them as pets? Or something vaguely humane?

>>22762732
>Feminism

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>>22762752
>>22762743
I don't like it either. But for science to happen, you just gotta live with it.

>>22762752
>>22762743

Hello. Have you never seen how animals are handled? We use gas and poison to kill those who underperform, fail to fit research criteria, are less delicious, or just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Want to donate to PETA? Wasting your money, as they kill more than half of the animals they receive into care.

Because they're sick? No. For space concerns.

>CAPTCHA: among hsssman

Yes. Snakes would have happily eaten them.

>>22762732
Now I'm even more confused.

And horrified to boot.

>>22762772
The idea is that the gene was IN there, it just wasn't functioning properly. So it's standard procedure to kill'em all so the genes don't spread around doing who knows what.

>>22762772
I think it's actually illegal to sell genetically modified plants or animals without assloads of EPA and FDA red tape and approval from the lab overseers.

And you can't use them for other experiments because you have to use standardized animals to ensure other people can reproduce your data.

>>22762766
HOW CAN YOU BE SO FUNNY ABOUT SOMETHING TO AWFUL? 10/10, WOULD LAUGH AGAIN.

>>22762780
CLOSE SECOND. CONSOLATION PRIZE.

>>22762772
my guess, is because genetic changes that might not make them safe to consume, or genetic traits that could show up in the next generation where they to breed.

when did people care so much about dead chicks when we have so many homeless people that actually need help?
especially on /tg/ where you should know where meat comes from

>>22762826
Homeless people aren't cute. They also don't chirp or lay me delicious eggs.

>>22762772
It's generally a really bad idea and heavily frowned upon to let your genetically modified creations into the wild without extensive approval, even if the gene in question is pretty much harmless. What if the chicks bred and the glowing-chicken gene got into the wild? The EPA would murder your face.

In any case, it's actually illegal to do that.

>>22762826
Homeless people are like wild dogs.

Put them all the fuck down and the problem stops being a problem.

>>22762780
>Implying that has anything to do with feminism.
>Implying that's a funny comment in any way.

>>22762795

The cost to ship male chicks by the pound from an egg plant to a meat plant is prohibitive. Less than cents/chick.

So they just kill them. Sometimes sell them for feed purposes.

>>22762795
Roosters are loud and don't lay eggs.

>>22762858
/tg/ is essentially 35% misogyny, and everyone on 4chan believes that all feminism is the /pol/ "die cis scum I am a strong independent wymyn kill all men" straw feminism.

Under this view, millions of males are being killed. Thus, it's "feminism," and thus funny.

>>22762683
Yeah my dad used to work with an animal studies lab. Pretty much every experiment goes like this:
>Procure 5000 mice
>Do whatever-the-fuck to 2500 of them
>Keep 2500 as control group
>Obtain data
>Gas everything

But wait! They also run experiments on:
>Rats
>Lizards
>Owls
>Cats
>Dogs
>Rabbits
>Monkeys

Also, once the monkeys escaped and got into the ventilation. You would be walking down the hallway and hear something in the roof above you tearing ass in the other direction going BANG!-BANG!-BANG!-BANG!-BANG!-BANG!-BANG!-BANG!

>>22762893
>genetically modified monkey bum knife fights
gentlemen, I have a new quest idea...

>>22762837
Those male chicks didn't lay eggs either. That's why they're dead.

>>22762893

I witnessed an escaped lab monkey attack a lecturer mid-lecture.

Dropped from the ceiling tiles onto him.

Lecturer proceeded to calmly grasp the monkey, kill the monkey with a heavy stapler to the back of the head (repeatedly), and went on as most of our course stared in horror.

>>22762867
Considering this, isn't finding a way to make chickens only produce female embryos a better use of SCIENCE! than making them glow in the dark?

>>22762930
only if you play as the scientists engineering the best knife fighters

>>22762837
I know a homeless dude who can do a damn good birdcall.

>>22762732
fuckin' christ, man. What the fuck.

I've like, got this huge grin on my face while simultaneously going "Holy what the fuck- how do I even feel about this?"

>>22762954

So you want to reprogram the entire genetic structure for selection in fertilized embryos?

What happens when several thousand of these freaks get out which happens all the time and starts a chicomatriarchy?

Who will stand for the rooster?

>>22762950
That's not proper procedure at all! Most lecture halls and labs are stocked with a special tool, known as the "Freeman crowbar" (it's really just an elongated Besselheim with a bit more weight on the end) for killing escaped lab animals. What shitty-ass school are you going to if they don't even have Freeman crowbars?

>>22762499
It is completely unethical because:
A) You use science to make a point. You don't engineer a living being just for shits and giggles.
B) Creating transgenic animals is time-consuming and rather expensive process. If you're wasting time and resources on some fucked-up vanity project what you're doing is basically a one step away from being a fraud.

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>>22762732
That moment when:
>working with chicken embryos
>pinpoint precision required
>hold breath, steady arm, focus intently
>still fuck up, sever an artery
>felt bad
>tossed it out, grabbed a new one

Fuck yeah, microbiology.

>>22762954
How would they reproduce? Unless you also somehow activated the genes allowing for parthenogenesis.

>>22762954
go ahead and get right on that, but make sure that your manipulation wont interfere with other experiments

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>>22762977

>>22762954
>Howto animals
>To generate sperm you need a Y chromosome
>To fertilize an egg you need sperm
>To make new chickens you need males
>If you use males to make new chickens you have a chance of new males
>Edible eggs are just unfertilized eggs

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>>22762987

Sir we follow the rules clearly listed on the Freeman Crowbars!

>>22762886
90% of /tg/ misogyny is just trolls trolling trolls, though.

>>22762950
I'd like to attend Hulk Hogan's genetics lectures please

>>22763018
Some animals are actually capable of parthenogenesis. In fact, some animals are exclusively parthenogenetic- see also, the famous "lesbian lizards."

I'm not even kidding, there's a species of lizard that reproduces only through lesbian sex.

>>22762854
0/10, apply yourself!

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>walking towards my chem lab at uni.
>see box on floor
>says, "FREEZE ON ARRIVAL"
>peek inside
>mfw

>>22762999
A) don't you have to appropriate funds for that kind of research?
B) don't you have to state what you are going to do with those appropriated funds?
C) will someone fund a project for shits-n-giggles?

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>>22763025

I doubt it. The Hulkster has been placed on numerous terrorist watchlists since, well, the Event.

>>22763020

>For internal use only
>Internal use only
>Internal use

My gods.

>>22762987

A place where the animal facility is properly secured, with a separate ventilation system.

Not that guy, but still. There's a reason why animal facilities tend to be in basements and what you: it's easier to keep a basement floor's ventilation separate from the rest of the building, and few lab animals will try to escape upwards.

>>22763041
>WARNING: HUMAN BLOOD: PERISHABLE.

Also, a handwritten note seen in a hallway in the health sciences building at my uni: "Do not put explosive materials in fridge."

I'm currently working on glow in the dark plants. Yeah it's been done but it's a little pet project of mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferase

>>22763125
My workplace has a similar sign on the fridge.
"NO REAGENTS"

>>22763000

You work with chickens, eh? I do zebra finches and parakeets. Avian genetics is a bitch, nobody seems to know what they fuck they're doing.

>>22762999
pretty sure you need to learn you some ethical theory.

I for one am fond of utilitarian ethics.
In any case the theories I'm familiar with in no way shape or form conflict with making kittens glow because you can.
Hell, pretty sure that depending on the brand of ethics it isn't even bad if you have to gas them afterwards, because ethics tends to not give a fuck about non sentient beings, you know what with being a construct of the human mind and all.

>>22763000
dude I have problems pipetting out the supernatant from a small test tube while leaving the pellet intact . Normally my hands don't shake but when I have to focus on shit like that I turn into michal j fox.

>>22762954
They're splicing in the 'glow in the dark' codes to make sure they're able to implant the 'always female' genes correctly- would suck if you spent a few million dollars and a few years making the DNA strand only to realize you have no way to insert the damned thing.

Besides, activating something simple and harmless prevents the test subjects from coming back... W-wrong,
inb4 dickgirls

>>22762954

Basically, no. In almost no way would producing a female-only breeding chicken be a good use of someone's time.

>>22763163
>theories I'm familiar with in no way shape or form conflict with making kittens glow because you can.
>ethics tends to not give a fuck about non sentient beings
>what are animal rights
I'm not even being glib when I say that I'm pretty sure you need to learn you some ethical theory.

>>22762950

Such is life at Miskatonic University.

>>22763055
A) yes
B) yes
C) no
which makes wasting funds on projects other than the one they were given for unethical.

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>>22763161
Yep, also mice. Speaking of which, we found a mouse fetus that someone lost a year ago. It was pretty alarming.

You see, we had this old, outdated centrifuge collecting rust in the back of the lab. I don't really know why it was there, but the time finally came to get it out. This being a fairly hefty centrifuge, we get two people to go and move it. We get the thing nudged out of the way just 6 inches and I see this shriveled, crusty thing.

Mouse fetus. Lost during a bizarre accident involving the parabolic flight of said fetus. We couldn't find it.

>mfw

>>22763190
My hands shake all the goddamn time when I'm trying minute movements. And then there was the time with the microtome. . .
i jammed it

>>22763226

Naw, dude. There's nothing glib about inducing a foreign gene to express a harmless (but VERY visible) GFP-style protein in a new animal species. The glow-in-the-dark gene, GFP, is always the first one people do for this very reason; it's easy to see. Once they have that done and proven, they can move on to actual genes of interest that play a part in disease, or what have you.

>>22763288

christ, you jammed a microtome?! We use ours for rat brains and it's all we can do to hold them steady as it cuts though. We use something like 4% agarose/PBS and superglue to hold the cube down...

>>22763226
don't make me get my book man.
people have been arguing over ethics limited stances on nature for decades.

don't get me wrong, shit needs to be altered, but then that causes problems if you do it wrong, how far do you go bla bla bla don't care.

but no seriously, ethics isn't a singular thing, and you need to learn you some ethical theory.

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>>22760645

/sci/ - philosophy and trying to get people to do your homework.

/tg/ - actual scientists.

How the fuck?

>>22763226
>>22763292
To (try) to cut this argument off quickly
Pro gene kittens guy, "for the hell of it" is a simplification to quickly convey a story over the interwebs
anti gene modified kittens guy, the point you should be raising is that tinkering with their code COULD have harmed them, even if it did not in this instance.

>>22763292
this. Its whats called a "sorting" gene.

>>22763362
relevant

>>22763332

ITT: Why one Anon will never become a scientist.

I'm to squeamish for this kind of bullshit.

>>22763362
And /v/ hates the vidya, /a/ hates animu, etc. etc. That's just the way it is around here.

>>22763416
physics you pussy

>>22763362
just further proof that we are elegan/tg/entlemen and best board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ftb09o6O7sw

>>22763312
Cryo cut. Had an accident with some paraplast. Easily remedied by shitting my pants.

Microtomes are scary as fuck. You probably wouldn't feel that thing cut you.

>>22763428
Naw,he'd probably end up being forced into a forensics job trying to figure out what the blood splatters mean about the wound.
Geology?

>>22763416
As the other anon pointed out, there are other branches of science that don't have much to do with the messy, squishy biological stuff. If you can handle the maths and the abstraction, physics is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA

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>>22762977

>Mutants escaping in massive numbers
>Humans confused at first
>The few ways this can go down

>One:
>Mutants are scared more than anything
>If accepted, might be able to (hopefully) re-integrate them with civilization
>It will be like creating an Alien race

>Two:
>Mutants are mad as hell and can't take it anymore
>Massive casualties in urban areas
>Hunting squads of civilians and military forces deployed
>"It's huntin' time."

>Three
>Mutants are re-integrated
>Everyone hates them
>Everyone
>Entire world unites under "Humanity FUCK YEAH" clause of New Constitutions
>Mutants are wiped out
>We realize we share hatred in common and head to the stars to hate everything forever. Unless we can fuck it. As human logic dictates.

All in all, if EVERYONE put resources towards the sciences, we can do some crazy shit.

>>22762854

>>Can into science but not into economics

Also thisplanetisnowdiamonds.jpg

>>22763292
Yes, but creating transgenic animals is neither quick or easy. You need to breed and maintain them, and you will cut costs by killing the ones that don't express the gene properly.
Even if the gene product is harmless to the animal, doing so for no reason other than 'fun' is unethical.

>>22763557
Therein lies the other reason I'll never be a scientist, I have the mathematical acumen of a goddamned brick.

>>22763473
Christ, don't even joke about something like that. Microtomes give me the creeps, badly.

>>22763554
Geology, or so I'm told, often entails dealing with giant wasps, mountain lions, and/or the Antarctic.

Less ethically stressful, but still not exactly a day at the beach.

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>>22763625

I've settled for being a voice actor. I wanted to be a scientist. I really did. I wanted to science all over everything.

But I got to Calc and I just crumpled. Math is not my strong suit. I also want to make a bunch of money by being silly.

>>22763665
Are you me? (actually no, I don't want voice acting to be my primary thing)

>>22763625
How about Women's studies then?

>>22763657
*shick* *shick* *shick* *shick* *shick* *shick*

There is not a sound on this earth more sinister than an old microtome.

>>22763625
I have the same problem

I loved cell bio in college, would love to go back to school and learn about genetics, but I know that eventually my lack of mathmatics would kick my ass in a hurry when getting into chemistry

>>22763579
Any "science" that needs to justify its status as a "science" is not actually a science.

>>22763697
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>22763665
I got 60% in my highschool gr12 calc class, now im in uni and I got a A- in both calc1 and calc2. Math doesn't come easy for me, it took me maybe 6-8hours of study every two days to pull off those marks for it.

>>22763557
bullshit, i just locked myself out of my house going to the bathroom because of quantum.

>>22763727

I ... never claimed that economics was a science. Just that this poster obviously didn't understand it.

I'm a historian. I don't think history is a science, either. That doesn't mean it is made-up fairytale bullshit, however. Given what I've studied of economics, I find it to be in, broadly speaking, the same boat.

Anyway, if it needs explaining: Some portion of a society is homeless because of the way the economic system in question distributes wealth. If you kill the homeless people (or the poor, as has been suggested seriously in the past at various times), it will not eliminate the problem, but rather result in a redistribution of wealth such that the same portion of the population is homeless, or poor, or whatever. These will naturally tend to be the most vulnerable individuals, e.g. the untreated mentally ill, but if you kill them the same will still happen to the next-most vulnerable individuals given a little time.

You would of course reduce the total number of homeless people, but only by making the population smaller.

>>22760696
hehehe theres more then one hole that toxic shit can get into

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>>22763802
And we're back to being /tg/. Damn, I love this board.

>>22763781
Calc was pretty intuitive for me.
Then again, I'm an engineer. we're weird as fuck.

>>22763798
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

>>22763781

Guess what I'm too lazy to do! I can into logical thinking like nobody's business before. But when it comes to booksmarts I just can't sit there studying. It just doesn't work for me.

>>22763802
I'm surprised it took this long. I was gonna say something but eh.

>>22763830
how did the baboon lose his t-shirt?

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>>22763864
High wis
low int

but that's probably flattering you

>>22763906
By... monkeying around? How are we supposed to answer that?

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>>22763906
by not being a baboon or ever wearing a t-shirt

Pic related.

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>>22763802
Eight, to be exact.

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>>22763918

Its bittersweet. I have a much larger chance to fail then someone with high int. But as someone who likes Clerics its kind of nice.

>>22762854
congratulations, your a fucking monster

>>22764004
>than
>>22764021
>you're

So how long until we can make slime girls?

>>22762893

Did your dad ever mention the costs of that?

I've been wanting to do some animal testing on environmental factors into dimorphic sexuality and have no idea what animal to use.

Basically I want to see if rape as the primary means of reproduction causes sexual dimorphism to make the female smaller/weaker

My other theory I want to check out works in a similar way to that but with alcohol being introduced into the species. I want to see if over time females become less tolerant and males become more tolerant.

Only problem is I have no idea what sort of animal I could use. Mice seem the best because of their short breeding cycle and easy to observe physiology, but their size and cost seem quite annoying to deal with.

>>22764050
your a dick.
go bee a grammar nazi elsewear, wear your faggot tree is affective.

>>22764175

Nice troll. Sadly, you cannot into major studies without major dosh and government clearance.

Also your research cannot be accepted as telling of humans due to BIOTRUTHS!!! (unless it is female positive).

>>22764133
Basically never.

>>22764183
>You're a dick.
>Go be a grammar Nazi where your faggotry is effective.

>>22764215

I'm not trolling. I was just trying to work out certain things about evolution and this seemed like a very plausible theory to me.

How many animals involved before it counts as major studies? I'm willing to take some blows to the scientific process so I can get a rough idea if the theory works or not.

Yeah, I'm aware the research would be controversial, but science is science. I could be wrong or right, I have no agenda to push here.

>>22764252
Just look at ducks, dude.

>>22764175
That is an odd hypothesis. Why would rape cause females to become weaker?

>>22764252
You won't really live long enough to see consistent evolution of that scale. Besides, if you are REALLY interested in that particular subject, you should just do field research or data analysis/comparison studies of pre-existant species.
>>22764274
Like he says, duck species are a good place to start.

>>22764319

Well, I'm going with the idea that evolution favours strong genes and the ability to produce more offspring.

>>22764175

Forgot to add that I would also expect to see in the first scenario that there is a chance stronger male genes would be consistantly represented.

>>22764350
Really faggot?
We already know that it favors males that have as much sex as possible, and females that selectively choose their mates.

>>22764252
This sounds unfeasible to me. How would you force an animal populus to reproduce through rape? It's not like you could just ask them nicely.

>>22764319

Expanding on the previous answer. I would expect to see the genes of the most easily impregnatable females to become more widespread and commonly represented. What wouldn't be represented though is constantly weaker genes in both sexes because that would just lead to a general weakening of the species, and as such I wouldn't expect to see such genes survive.

>>22764350

Which are granted by having a weak mother? It's not offspring survival that grants fitness, it's number of offspring that survive to reproduce.

>>22764350
Physical strength doesn't necessarily correlate with evolutionary fitness, or number of offspring.

>>22764380
Whenever you see two mice having a romantic dinner, shoot them. They'll learn.

>>22764350
You'd be surprised, that doesn't really play out. It's in the favor of females to NOT breed except with the very strongest/most-fit of the species. Limited eggs/energy... weak females would get fucked all the time by the weakest members and produce inferior offspring/get fucked to death.

I take it you've NEVER taken Reproductive Bio?

Species with LoadsaRaep end up with VERY clever/fit females able to evade or thwart males (ducks can create labrythian vaginas... good luck sperm, I'm behind 700 uterine passages)

>>22764389
Fuck, I can't into typing

>It's not the number of offspring that grants fitness

>>22764386
And how these physically weak females then produce strong offspring?

>>22764415

You'd be right about me never taken reproductive bio. I'm just going into Uni next year and I haven't done Biology at all since I finished college. Biology in general is what I was planning to study.

Thanks for that. I can see why my hypothesis wouldn't work, what explains females being smaller than males in many species though? This is exactly why I need to get a full uni education in biology

>>22764410
You don't have to go that far, all you have to do is to train the she-mice to withdraw consent somewhere during mating.

>>22764380

Introduce them to feminism

>>22764476
>what explains females being smaller than males
There's no universal answer, it depends on species, mating habits and environment.

>>22762999
How are you a fraud if you're performing actual research and progressing science with that research? Was tesla a fraud because he went beyond what physicists at the time thought about electricity?

What about einstein, or newton?

Isn't it unethical to facilitate the creation of a bomb which can destroy to the molecular level objects and people in a vast radius?

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>>22763554
>mfw I'm going into Geology and will have to deal with all that shit because exploration geology is a thing

>>22764506

I didn't expect a universal answer to be honest, any example answers you could give though?

>>22764479
honestly just get them a little drunk, or make sure they don't explicitly say yes, just make sure they do say no, because otherwise you get that whole she didn't say no kerfuffle and that might fuck up your data.

>>22764530

Bigger females fought off rapey males until they weren't worth the trouble anymore.

Little females could be pinned and raped with ease.

what happened to this thread

>>22764551

/tg/

>>22764544

So, it was basically the reverse of my hypothesis then? I'm gonna have to do some real mind-cleansing for Uni.

>>22764551
a dumbass that doesn't understand evolutionary theory

>>22763849
But can you do a maths degree?

>>22764249
diamond dozen
doggy dog world
could of

>>22764561
How the fuck are you going to get into University if you don't understand the principles of evolution?

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>>22764476
Ahh well then I congratulate your desire to learn. It's nothing to be ashamed of to have an erroneous theory. Only to hold to it in spite of significant evidence otherwise.

Anyhow, the reasons that many mammalian females are smaller is probably testosterone related, it's a side effect of males needing to be showy and powerful to impress their mates. You see, you were simply thinking of it backwards, in biology one should usually consider females to be the 'utility model' while males are the 'show/luxury model.' It's not the females that are smaller... it's the males who are LARGER.

You see, the males must compete for mating, they must impress females, claim a territory, a harem. So, they need to be able to fight other males, Whether it's male avians needing to look 'FAAAAABULOUUUUUUSSSS' or a male lion needing his mane (heavy armor vs neck bites btw) or a human showing how much more money, clever and style he got.... males must compete for what they want.

>>22764569
...Probably?
I mean, I got through calc 4 and FUCKING dynamics.

>>22764539
>scianon in a lab coat, safety goggles
>pipetting daiquiris into tiny paper cups in mouse night club
>keeping a young, nubile mouse lady in a miniskirt and eight bras boozed up, giving bad advice
>'Go get him girl, he's totally into you'

>>22764595

He could've had a shitty highschool. I've seen so many students get into my classes with no fucking idea what's going on. You don't need specific knowledge to get offers at Australian unis, just a high score

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>hes never made an ice cube glow red hot through induction heating

>2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbRCAo9t09U

>>22764595
Hells, for not knowing it that long you can probably get a degree in science from one of those unaccredited theological universities.

>>22764603

Ah, that makes a lot of sense considering the female to be the standard model and the male to be the different one. I possibly just had a bit of mental bias when considering it, because I had spend my entire highschool and college at an all boys school and most societies I've heard of have been patriarchal. So I must've subconciously assumed male was the basic model and female was the odd one.

Thanks for the learnings scianon. You a biologist, or just someone with a passion for it?

>>22764626
That's not all there is to mathematics.

geometry? complex numbers? algebraic topography? quantum mechanics? electromagneticism? numerical analysis? vector calculus? groups? special relativity?

just a few examples of what's available for a maths degree at a university.

what does calc 4 cover and what do you mean by dynamics? as is specific topics.

>>22764595

But that's not how uni works. You get in by virtue of a score you recieved based on your performance in Year 11 and 12 (modified by how well your class performed). There is some assumed knowledge, but many courses do not have pre-requisites that they will knock you back on.

All this talk of LEARNING and college degrees.

Bah. I wish adventuring was still a profession and money didn't dictate our lives

>>22764589
>diamond dozen
>doggy dog world
>could of

honestly its mind bottleing how stupid you are

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>>22764684
Biologist, My Univeristy informed me they weren't offering 'MAD SCIENCE' as major so I chose the one that seemed the closest (that and I've retained a childish fascination with monsters.)

>>22764706
Maybe in your bizarro retard country but some (actual) universities want specific knowledge and high achievement in those subjects plus additional examinations to procure evidence that you can perform at a higher level than what you're being taught at.

>>22764714

It is. We have an adventuring thread almost every day. Pretty sure some anons in this thread mentioned exploration sciences too

Of course, you still need money though. Don't be retarded.

>>22764730
Why can't people barter for most goods anymore? Is my bread and labor not good enough?

>>22764730
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenerliving/7951968/The-man-who-lives-without-money.html
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=man%20lives%20without%20money&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CFIQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fenvironment%2F2009%2Fnov%2F09%2Fmark-boyle-money&ei=O9oAUcjqO8qV0QXNtIGgDQ&usg=AFQjCNGVwXd862UAKBmUI-wSip-s5bqZsQ&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=man%20lives%20without%20money&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CFsQtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.msnbc.msn.com%2Fdylan-ratigan-show%2F47836615&ei=O9oAUcjqO8qV0QXNtIGgDQ&usg=AFQjCNGyxhv_8EW3sTywXRK82Cr-eRP3_Q&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=man%20lives%20without%20money&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CF4QtwIwBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fmagazine-17762033&ei=O9oAUcjqO8qV0QXNtIGgDQ&usg=AFQjCNGVmQkhnkwGR2D0DOIaGEDndrPoSg&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=man%20lives%20without%20money&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CG4QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F1002645164&ei=O9oAUcjqO8qV0QXNtIGgDQ&usg=AFQjCNGUJW2gtP8LRIKihqgFAZv71kVKjA&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k

Ignorance is bliss eh?

>>22764726

In Australia that's very much the case. Certain subjects like maths require you to have performed well in them, but otherwise we allow people into courses based mostly on general academic ability.

Which country are you from?

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>that feel when you realized that flesh is weak, and machinery is superior

>fuck biology

>engineering and heavy duty machinery is the future

>>22764747

Well, you can if you really want to. It's just a lot more convenient to use money. That's why money exists, people found it was more efficient to have a standardised currency than to barter

>>22764747
As people have money to purchase the things they want. Bartering is based on need as well. HOLY SHIT YOU HAVE A BOOK? WELL HERE ARE TEN FUCKING SACKS OF APPLES, WITH ABOUT 100 EACH IN EACH SACK FOR THAT BOOK? OH, RIGHT. YOUR FAMILY ISN'T STARVING. OK, NEVERMIND

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>>22762893

>>22764757
England, you convict, where the real universities are based.

>>22764688
I covered multivariable and vector calculus in 3. 4 covered diffyQs.
And honestly statics and dynamics wasn't that HARD, it just took goddamn forever.

>>22764780
>anywhere but the US

I'm mostly kidding, but it's a pain in the ass to go to college over here. You need a 4.0, a high score on two major tests, and a ton of money, minimum to get into any college you'll be proud of. Not that I'm doing any of that. Certifications and education through employment is my route.

>>22764806
Which state are you in? California's education system is a nightmare

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>>22764765
>That feeling when metal warps and fails.
>When Carbon-based materials surpass metallic
>When nanotech have been firmly claimed in the name of biology.
>When BLOOD MUSIC SOON FELLOW GENETICIST.

>>22764785
At university? I've just bought textbooks which cover that which I'll need to sit an exam for before I go to university.

>>22764175
Ignoring the other issues with the proposal, flies are what you want. Way cheaper than mice. Much shorter life cycles. So much easier to work with.

As an added, bonus, I'm know there literature out there detailing how accurately get flies drunk as shit, and how to quantify just how pants-shittingly drunk they get.

Also, tons of tools available for messing with fly genetics and neurology, which sounds useful.

>>22764815
Colorado. We've got a couple good schools, but the field I'm going into doesn't require a degree. Experience and certification goes farther in networking.

>>22764806

Yeah, I've heard that the American Education system is kinda fucked. Aren't your colleges stupidly extravagant/expensive too?

>>22763657
Is it sad I'm afraid of braking open ampoules?

Honestly, the fuckers who make shit and ship it in those need to get out of the 1950s and make everything screw-top tubes. Plus the ampoules pour like shit but are too skinny to get anything most pipette tips in.

>>22764835
It depends. The high-end colleges here are second to none, but there are a ton of schools that seem to survive solely on the power of naive schoolchildren who don't know what they want to do with their lives.

>>22764854

I don't get that at all. How do you have people going to your unis just to waste time? Especially when they are so expensive

>>22764835
It's got problems, but it's not quite THAT fucked.

College expense on the other hand is. Did you know that college loans are the only ones that can't be removed by filing for bankruptcy? In the 60s there was this widespread belief that all students were welfare queen/system gaming slackers, so they made that debt pretty much permanent.

>>22764823
But I can always build simpler and easier with dead stuff.
Also, that is carbon nanotubes, ya goon. Nothing biological there.

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>>22764823

I look forward to battling your biological behemoths with my cold steel machines in the year of our lord, 2150AD.

>>22764838

No, they're stupid little bastards. If you're in the medical field, anything in them is generally for injection, but you can't just use it right out because of course invisible pieces of glass get into the shit when you break their necks, so you have to use a filtered needle to draw liquid out, then change the needle, then shoot it into whatever, and if you forget to do this you might fuck up some super-expensive IV solution, get thoroughly bitched out, and feel like a dumbass for a week ... or give someone septicemia if no one catches it. So, not only do I hate breaking them, but I'm also always terrified of forgetting to change that fucking needle.

>>22764864
English student loans are glorious. It's essentially a loan you never have to pay back, in effect it's an additional tax rating.

I could borrow £50,000 and I would not have to fish out a single penny as they skim it off my salary (if) when I start earning over a threshold salary, if it's mediocre like 40k then it disappears after 30 years but going to uni and doing a proper degree shouldn't net me a 40k job over 30 years.

>>22764863
Well, for the past fifty or so years our culture has drilled the need for a college education into the heads of every kid that's been born. Some of them don't want to go into the real world yet, and I can't say I don't sympathize with them. Those Occupy faggots who whined about the fact that ther Lib Arts degree didn't get them a job? It's hardly their fault. They probably just let some university spokesperson pull the wool over their eyes while telling them that graphic design is one of the fastest-growing professions in the country.

>>22764869
Then again, your average cell is jam-packed with nanorobots with couple billion year's worth of product refinement and upgrades.

>>22764911
And yet the flesh is still weaker.

>>22764902
Australian loans are essentially the same, I think. No interest, as much debt as you want/need, and you don't need to pay back a cent until you start earning $50,000 or more a year. Handy as fuck.

>>22764894
Yeah, fuck ampoules. I thought that we're supposed to live in the future now, what's the deal with that shit?