>>23124466
Oh, I wasn't expecting a new one until Wednesday. Let's nod and give Lin a wink, let Liz spend a little while longer rubbing her cheek against us, and then rush on off to the library.

Let's head to the library and get researchin'.

>>23124466
I love fire <3

to the library, to research get the book need to make dad on the level and something on cleaning magic

>>23124605
Agree.

FemCock you little Beauty.

We need to find some way to free our father without him being dangerous to us, lets head back to the library and see what we can research.
What did our father say was needed to make him safe again?

>>23124659
"Bonds of Blood" is what he said to research.

>>23124686
well lets zip up our pants and go

>>23124697
Pull up our pants, in this case. We don't have a fly to zip up.

>>23124686
Alright BlatantFetishQuest, it's time to do some serious reading!

>>23124621
>>23124605
Before we go to the library, ask dad how to find specific books there.

Research shit. Let's get our dad free so we can learn first hand from him. Having a personal fifth circle mage and a powerful incubus as a tutor could be very helpful.

I don't think freeing our father is on top of our list of priorities. Making a bond of blood will probably take days or weeks of research. anyway.

Let's work on mind screening, we already have the book.

>>23124786
He's dangerous, we can't risk freeing him until we can guarantee our safety.

You let Liz nuzzle your cock for a little while longer while giving Lin a nod and a wink. She takes her hand out from between her legs and gives you a wink right back. You gently push Liz off of you and pull up your pants. "My dad said to research Bonds of Blood in the library. He said that's a way to bind him without using advanced conjuration or his true name."

"Well, lets get going, then," says Lin, starting her way up the ladder. Liz gives you a long hug and buries her face in your neck, then follows after. You take the rear and use the opportunity to look up Liz's skirt. Her panties are striped. She either doesn't notice or doesn't mind, because you get a pretty good view.

Once you back at the top, in the room with all of the gear for the clocktower and the fallen wall, you find Lin standing at the collapsed wall section, pressing against the air with her hands. "It looks like the wards extend all the way up here," she says. "What's the plan?"

What is the plan?

>>23124823
Everyone hold on to the key and just walk out?

>>23124823
Check the elemental and binding runes. See if there is a way to modify ward permissions or to temporarily power it down.

>>23124789
Also, we have a few more things to discuss with the girls.

Now that they know that a demon is our father, we might as well tell him what we learned from him when they were not there, and get their opinions on how to deal with him.
Tell them that he's a 5th circle mage, and that if we find a way to ensure his loyalty, we'd like to free him, to serve as a tutor and maybe as a father too.
Ask them what they think of using this tower, now that we know a bit. About that, we should go ask dad where the portals lead to/from, and how to close safely the incoming one. Of course we'll check the information.
Could we spend the next night here ?

>>23124823
hold hands if not ill carry you two down one at a time

also please tell me we broke the in bound portal

>>23124823
Either >>23124852 or >>23124854 work for me.

Also, god damn, Liz is getting adorably clingy right now. I'm a bit of a sadist myself, so seeing a sub get that attached to our character makes me giddy. Not an abusive, violent sadist, by the way; I'm more of a manipulative sadist with a penchant for extreme bondage. I expect many, many leather belts in our future.

>>23124823
Go take a look at how the elemental is holding up. If it looks like its energy will run out soon, we might as well shut down the wards.

>>23124898
Let's ask dad and do this now.

>>23124923
Well, that depends on how soon 'soon' is. If we're talking less than an hour, we may as well have some more fun with Liz while Lin watches.

>>23124879
We also have to tell liz that he said, for what it's worth, that the archmagi like to manipuate students.

And ask Lin some more about what she remembers of her previous lives.

>Blatant Fetish Quest XII
>XII
Oh /tg/.

Later, when we can get a moment alone with dad, we'll have to ask him about the powers of our dick. Could we knock up a girl, and how does that interect with birth control?

We also could text our mom something like "Hey mom, I love you and I know you love me too, but I must ask : were you on the pill when you concieved me ?"

>>23125028
And some of the threads have gone past 600 posts.

>>23125055
She knows we're hot with a girl, she would have told us

>>23125055
Oh god
>Human contraceptives being powerful enough to stop supernatural infernal demon sperm

You head back down to the levels with the inbound ring, the outbound ring, and the power ring. The elemental looks about half-depleted already - knowing that this place was designed to be powered by a fifth-circle well-fed incubus, that's not too surprising. You break the inbound portal, making a simple break in the ring. It should be easy enough to fix later with alchemy or a welding torch, and should stop its use for now.

You head back down to the base of the tower to ask your father a couple of questions. "Hey, dad, do you know where the outbound and inbound circles go to and from?"

"The outbound circle can go anywhere, it's just the only way to teleport out of the tower. Standing in it lets you do outgoing conjuration - banishing, teleportation, that kind of thing. We used to use it to dump our trash. The inbound one can only be used by someone with a key, but it can be used to teleport in and summon things in."

"We snapped the inbound connection."

"Good thinking."

"Is there any way to make new keys or change what key signal this place responds to?"

"Yes," he says. "It's hard and it will take a long time, though. I can help you with that once you bind me."

You head back to where Liz and Lin are.

"We could try to find a way back up to the upper levels by leaving through the front door," Lin suggests.

"Then we would have to leave it unbarred," says Liz. "We should just wait for the elemental to run out."

What's your plan?

>>23125074
Maybe she always thought it was an accident like it happens with regular men.

>>23125074
She also reminded us to wear a condom, just pointing out. It's not a bad idea to ask Mom about that (and the possibilty of sterility, while we're at it).

>>23125089
Fuck while we wait for the elemental to run out.

>>23125089
I'm tempted to suggest fucking, but let's spend the time cleaning the place up a little. Make it even remotely livable.

>>23125089
The elemental has only lasted what, a half hour thus far? Let's have some fun with Liz while we wait. Lin can watch or not as she prefers.

>>23125089
yea lets read till then

unless you girls can think of something better?

>>23125089
Wait for the elemental to run out.

Lets get freaky.

>>23125089
>"We should just wait for the elemental to run out."
"What for ?

But why not. I actually want to study mind screening before going back to the library."

By the way, does the corpse has any distinctive jewelry or clothes ? I wonder if dad could identify him. Maybe it's not petrov.

>>23125174
He said yesterday that it's probably not Petrov, that it's probably one of the two Dextra Domini that were left in his circle when Petrov betrayed him.

>>23125125
I get the feeling Lin is a voyeur, and is going to not ask us to fuck her, but to fuck Liz in front of her. Regardless, I goddamn approve. Also, if we gain Lin's trust and get really confident with her, she seems dominating enough to keep Liz on a leash while we're gone, if need be.

>>23125185
He did ? Well, let's make sure if we can.

>There was a second key! The last two besides me and Petrov were Dextra Domini!
Hm... So there is four keys ?
And that means an incubi and a summoner were allied with Dextra guys ?

>>23125238
He's saying there were two keys and that he and Petrov were in an alliance against the two Dextra Domini assholes.

>>23125197
Hmm. We want to be careful, though. We don't want to break Liz. That would be bad, both because we LIKE Liz, and because she's more useful un-broken.

>>23125238
No, I think the final four were two Dextra punks and Dad and Perov. The Dextra punks apparently won once Dad and Perov self destructed.

>>23125263
No, no, I mean "keep on a leash" as in if we have to go investigate something by ourselves and Liz is being really clingy and wants to come along, we can let Lin placate her. Breaking toys is never fun.

>>23125238
>>23125280
Oh, right, he was at the stage where there's four students, and that was the last two students, not the last wo keys.

>>23125304
And I agree. I'm just pointing out that too much leash-keeping risks breaking her.

>>23125346
>>23125304
I kinda agree. I don't think that letting/pushing her to be submissive to other people will be good for either of us in the long run.

"Sure, let's wait for it to run out. It shouldn't take too long with how small it's already gotten. I wonder what we should do while we wait?" you ask. Liz doesn't seem to get the innuendo.

"We could probably study these wards some more, get some idea of how to manipulate them," says Liz, taking out the books.

"I think Max had something else in mind," says Lin. It takes Liz another couple seconds to catch the hint.

"Oh. Oh! I... Are you sure that's a good idea? I mean we already... In front of Lin," she says, now blushing and fidgeting.

"I don't mind," says Lin, smirking at her. "I wouldn't want to rain on anyone's parade."

You walk up to Liz, head held high and back straight. She looks at you with... fear? Respect? Excitement? When you get to her, you pull her skirt up and pull off her panties. "I'll keep these," you say. She melts into your kiss. You ditch your pants, put on a condom, and lift Liz up to pin her against a wall. You feel Lin give your ass a pinch and give a low whistle.

Then you start pounding into Liz while Lin watches. Liz tries to retain her composure and look embarrassed, but soon she gives in completely. "Oh... Oh god... Oh please, yes, fuck me harder, Max," she begs. You see Lin unfasten her jeans and slip a hand into her pants as she watches.

You're not sure how much longer it is before the designs on the wall go dark and the wards go down. Liz is too out of it to walk or talk.

What do you do now?

>>23125385
Sling her over your shoulder and book it to the library.

>>23125385

>>23125412
this
you cumming Lin?

>>23125385
Hmm. Looks like we overdid it. Let's look into the wards a bit with Lin while we wait for Liz to recover.

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>>23125440
>fucks to pass the time until the wards are down
>fucks too hard so we put the wards back up to recover in peace

>>23125385
Try to enchant her a little to give her some energy back.
Ask Lin what time it is.

See if the corpse has recognizzable items or features, check with dad. He was killed by claws, so it's probably a dextra killed by petrov, but how did he get the key ?
Ask dad for library-searching methods too.

Then get out by the front door and try to find our way out. Be wary of not being seen, or detected.

Text mom about our conception.

>>23125385
Take the time to discuss with Lin about her past lives while Liz recovers.

Why are we not worried about who Lin used to be?

>>23125480
Heh. That would indeed be unfortunate, because our summoner is currently a drooling heap of bliss.

>>23125385

>>23125423
Yes. YES. "Hey Lin, you coming?"
>"OH GOD YES, YES." Lin doubles over, her face grinding into the cold floor as she grunts and gyrates her hips in a pleasure-induced stupor. After a few more spasms and indecent twists of her ass, which is sticking up in the air and shaking gleefully, she pulls her now-soaked and shining hand from her groin, greedily licking the film from her first two fingers.

>>23125503
Why did I not think of this? This is what we need to do, right here.

>>23125505
Because we unlocked her character sheet.
Considering the nature of this quest I find it safe to assume she's our bitch until we fuck up on a grand scale.
Also we can just play as her if she backstabs us and then force her to snap her own neck.

>>23125512
>>23125480
>>23125385
Also, next time we talk to Liz about other girls, this is a good example of us having multiple outlets being a good thing. Fucking her into a puddle of ecstasy is fun, but not something that should be overdone.

>>23125541
Yes, this is a perfect opportunity to get some info out of Lin, and persuade Liz into being a bit more receptive to our harem collection urges. If we have to only use her every single time we, as an incubus, get a boner, she might as well be permanently disabled from being fucked senseless every hour or two.

Heh, I wonder if dad can hear us doing these things? If he's so sensitive to sexual energy, do you think he can notice when we're fucking?

>>23125576
Lol it's like we've gone and opened a McDonalds right outside the Auschwitz fence.

>>23125593
It'd be hilarious if we could fuck in front of dad, and that alone was enough to get him at least on his feet and functioning again, even if he'd be running on fumes.

>>23125512
>>23125385
Careful guys, we don't want to get deleted again.
Where is the line here?

>>23125618
I think it was blatant-ness in the OP that did it last time.

>>23125618
>Blatant Fetish Quest
Any true browser would just use the catalogue and filter these threads.

>>23125576
hell it could have recharged him a bit
>>23125593
or that I prefer to think of it as a jimmy deans
cause his daughter would be taboo like pork to jews

>>23125634
I'm just worried about the story being disrupted.
Last time FemCock got a one day ban, next time it could be longer.

>>23125618
I thought this was pretty cautionous from femcock

>>23125618
I think as long as we keep it non-descriptive about the actual act of fucking, it's staying safely close to behind the line. We'll probably be in trouble when it gets to the point of describing the act in grave detail.

>>23125634
I don't know how anyone can function on 4chan without the catalog nowadays. It completely obsoletes the front page. Most of these "I fucking hate these threads please ban them" complaints would disappear if they'd take five minutes to learn how to use the catalog.

You give Lin a wink as you set Liz down to recover. You don't give her back her panties, but you do have her lick you clean. You give Lin a wink while she's buttoning back up her pants and licking off her fingers.

"So, how much of your past lives do you remember?" you ask Lin.

"Not much," she says. "The last time I was here was... I think in the 1800's? I think I was an English man. The time before that was during the reign of Saladin. I was a Turk. I was in the Society of the Archmagi one of those times... I don't remember what circles I got to. I do remember that I remember more as I get older, but right now... It's a blur. Sorry."

"Hey, it's better than nothing," you say. Liz is still meekly sucking and licking you clean when she pipes up.

"We should head out soon. Can I have my underwear back?"

"No," you say, simply. You stuff them in your pocket. She blushes but doesn't protest.

"I'll probably need your help getting down from the tower and back to the rooftops safely."

"Me too," says Lin. "And apparently it's a bad idea to leave through the front door, since then it would be unbarred and unwarded."

How do you handle this?

>>23125634
hey I just learned about those features a few weeks ago best thing ever

sage to preserve bump order

>>23125724
With aplomb, of course. We can give them some freerunning lessons or something later so we don't need to babysit the door.

>>23125724
Help them get out of the tower on the rooftops method then head to the library.

>>23125724
help them down we got them up we can get them down

also remember to pick up some rope

>>23125724
Let's see about closing the door (assuming we didn't earlier) and then help the girls get down.

>>23125724
don't worry ladies ill carry you to safety (flex)

You decide to help them out through the top with free running, boosting, and catching them. Roll Body to help them. I'll take the best of the first four rolls.

>>23125775
No, no rope. We don't want to make the entrance any easier to enter then it already is, after all.

Rolled 95

>>23125852
Here's hoping we don't faceplant.

Rolled 67

>>23125852
Dice dont fail me now!

Rolled 14

>>23125852
it begins

>>23125861
And we really fucking don't.

Rolled 63

>>23125852
rollan
>>23125861
nice

Rolled 94

>>23125852
Rollin' dem bones.

>>23125861
time to soar

Rolled 33

>>23125861

Max strong like bull

>>23125861
Bravo sir, bravo.

>>23125861
We continue to be a fucking ninja.
We should alchemy up some smokebombs and shit.

>>23125861
You get everyone back to a proper path safely and quickly, helping to boost them over gaps or catch them on drops. Liz seems extremely embarrassed every time her skirt flares up and exposes her. This pleases you enough to reach under and give her ass a nice squeeze. She gives you a face like she's protesting, but leans into it.

Once you're back to the main path, you proceed quickly to the library. When you get there, the librarian is sitting at her desk, and just glares at you unreservedly as you enter. She doesn't say anything, just keeps fucking glaring.

You realize that you have no idea how to find a book on the topic your father suggested.

What's your strategy?

>>23125940
Ask the fucking eagle-librarian. Or have Lin ask for you

>>23125940
Just ask the librarian. She can glare all she fucking wants it dont make me no difference.

>>23125940
wisper so I sorta forgot to ask how do i find a book I want? like magic to clean a place or anything really "

Ask. Shes likely to know where everything is and is used to students getting up to all sorts of shenannigans. Probably would know even if you tried to hide the fact you're reading a book in HER library.

Be polite. Might be a good idea to get on her good side. You're gonna be spending lots of time here.

>>23125940
>>23125964
>>23125967
Let's have Liz or Lin ask. We already have a book out.

>>23125940
Ask the librarian, gauge her responses to you.
It would be nice to know what her problem is.

Then give her the dick.

>>23125940
Ask to see the catalog, so we don't need to ask her things again.
Also fucking WHISPER.

Rolled 26

>>23125940
Ask the librarian to show us how to find books, so we don't need to bother her again. Be polite, she probably is a strong mage.

>>23125989
Sounds good.

And whisper for sure. Glaring is inconsequential. I don't want to deal with the bats though..

"You should ask her to help us find the book," you whisper Liz.

"What?" she hisses back. "Why do I have to do it? She's scary."

"Because she's probably still mad at me for yelling in here earlier."

"...fine," says Liz, then walks off to go ask her. With many huffs and sighs and a few more glares, the librarian leads you through the library to a thin, old, leather-covered book on bonds of blood.

"Is that everything?" the librarian asks, giving you three a steely look.

"...yes. For now. Thank you," Liz squeaks out.

What do you do now that you have the book?

>>23126050
Study the shit outta it.

>>23126050
Read it

We need to get some form of book we can write in to keep notes.
Anything important, ideas, things like that.

>>23126050
Find a private corner and commence the studying.

>>23126050
Learn about blood bonds, obviously.

>>23126050
Study that booooook.

>>23126050
Snap the book's spine.

Rolled 50

>>23126050
yep read have liz help and lin we we got it good make our way back to the tower

>>23126050
Study hard.

>>23126085
Seconded

It's time to study hard. You go off to a private corner of the library to start taking a look at the book. You stick your hand up Liz's skirt and start fondling her ass as soon as you turn a corner from the librarian. You eventually find a nice little dead-end in a narrow hall of books whose titles are all in Latin. You sit down and start reading it with Lin and Liz, trying to understand it.

Roll Mind. You get a bonus from both having help and from having an appropriately-specific book, so I'll take the best of the first four dice.

Rolled 41

>>23126136
Lol brick time

>>23126136
Here we go

Rolled 84

>>23126136

Rolled 29

>>23126136
Lets try that again

Rolled 43

>>23126136
Swagger

>>23126150
lol

>>23126136
>hallway where everything's in Latin
Shit, this has got to be the SINGLE most likely place to run into someone else.

>>23126154
here we go

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>>23126154
You manage to get through it pretty well. Aside from being a treatise on how to summon things based on blood relations, it talks about very specific methods of binding spiritual beings. The one relevant to you is the Bond of Blood. In it, two blood relatives who are spiritual beings - such as a demon and its progeny - shed blood together and swear an oath. Any such oath is binding, and was used in days past to secure loyalty from heirs in exchange from promises of tutelage and protection.

Such oaths would be completely ineffective with anyone who didn't share at least some blood relation, even if distant, and possess at least a significant portion of spiritual ancestry.

You feel surprised that your father would know about something so specifically appropriate to the situation, but when you consider it, you suppose that it would make sense for a fifth circle spiritual being to know all about ways to bind things like him.

Well, now you have this information, and the ritual seems relatively simple. What do you do now?

>>23126154
Celebratory makeout.
Just Liz though. Or make a move in N's direction after kissing Z, then stop and kiss Z again.

Rolled 6

>>23126255
We need to work out how we will word the oath.

And we can't have it completely one sided, otherwise our father may not swear it.

>>23126255
What the hell, let's study just a bit more and fill in that box of Mind. No longer will we be mentally deficit!

>>23126255
Bust out some razorblades and get oathing. We can go fin someone for him to bang after the binding.

>>23126256
Quiet, you. Fun as that would be, there's work to be done. I think our next step should be to hash out the wording for the oath we're going to make our father swear.

Now, I think it would be prudent to do this in the Tower, with the wards up again. Less likely for it to be overheard that way.

>>23126255
Is there a way to ascertain that the spiritual beings are indeed related before making the bond? In this book or another ?
I'm pretty sure Dimitry is our father, but it might be all a conspiracy.

Copy the ritual on a piece of paper (do they have photocopiers in this library ?). Then start studying mind screening.

What time is it ?

>>23126255
ok lets go do this

also find a book on cleaning magic fuck scrubbing dust and mold form our new home

>>23126301
This sounds good. It would only take a little bit, and we could use an extra roll on the mental stuff. Two shots at success isn't much.

>You're not sure how much longer it is before the designs on the wall go dark and the wards go down. Liz is too out of it to walk or talk.
Hm... is that because she really exerts herself when we fuck, or because we're magically draining her of her energy ?

>>23126357
That's actually a good question, and one we should pose to Dad once we've got him under Oath.

>>23126381
>>23126357
Nah, we're just that good with the dick.
If that were the case she'd have been passing out all over Paris as well.

>>23126357
That is a good point. It may be worth looking up the characteristics of half-incubi, we need to know more about ourselves anyway.

Also, it may be worth at some point making a list of all those in our year. Note down who they are affiliated with, strengths, etc etc. Keep track of who's who. They will be our rivals for the foreseeable future after all.

Rolled 15, 13, 2 = 30

>>23126310
I think a short makeout time would not make us late...
But I agree with the rest. We'll have to spend some time on writing up the oath.

>>23126329
Good idea.
We really need to find out how to search for books in this place. Did observing the librarian gave us hints ?
Can I roll mind for this ?

>>23126399
we don't really know how our body works, it's possible that our incubus blood is starting to react to us having this much sex

>>23126424
Never, EVER, roll anything ever again.

>>23126424

>>23126438
this

>>23126357
Probably both, sadly enough. She wanted an "open" fuckbuddy relationship, so she's clearly invested in getting as much pleasure out of the fucking as she can. On top of that, yeah, Incubi drain energy through sexual contact. It might be in our interest to either restrain ourselves and show a little care for Liz's wellbeing, or get Liz to take it easy and/or train/prepare herself for fucking. Which way we take it, of course, in this case, depends on if we want her to become emotionally submissive, or if we want her to become even more physically submissive.

In any course of action, our fucking is clearly hampering her ability to function, and she's clearly not going to stop us on her own. She's too obedient in that regard. We need to either find a second hole to dip into, or we need to somehow mitigate the wear on her body. In the long, long term, we may become powerful enough that literally fucking her to death may become a serious risk.

Rolled 7, 75, 3, 36, 58, 98, 82, 55, 26, 28 = 468

>>23126424
My rolls have been pretty bad this entire quest, but bro...

Rolled 43, 48, 51 = 142

>>23126438
>>23126465
>>23126485
Oh, come one. I bet I can do much better this time.

>>23126496
Still all failures.

Rolled 72, 82, 2, 63, 30, 61, 83, 30, 79, 34 = 536

>>23126496
You did better, but still pretty bad. Under 50% just like me.

Rolled 73, 44, 2 = 119

>>23126496
You see ? I can do about average too.

>>23126517
One success.

>>23126517
>>23126507
>>23126496
>>23126485
Why must you fools invite the wrath of the dice gods?

>>23126524
What IS considered a success in this quest? Anything over 70?

>>23126535
70 or higher.

>>23126255
study and fill out that mind box

>>23126550
We'll need it if we keep up these rolls...

>>23126548
So, the individual rolls each have a 30% chance of success, but the amount of rolls we get is what increases our chance of success overall. A neat system. I'm not too familiar with a ton of tabletop systems; did you get this system from something else, or make it up yourself?

Rolled 33

>>23126548
Any items or enchantments to lower the required toll available or are all buffs just going to be look at more dice.

>>23126565
I fucked that post up.

roll* not toll

add ? at the end


And not for every roll ,but certain tasks.

How do you expect to be an archmagi if you're such a subby Liz?

>>23126564
>So, the individual rolls each have a 30% chance of success, but the amount of rolls we get is what increases our chance of success overall. A neat system.
I think it's not that neat, frankly. It means that even for relatively easy tasks (with 4 or 5 dice), we have a relatively big chance to fail.

You decide that now would be a good time to head back to the tower. The next part would probably be best behind the protection of the wards, after all. Liz checks out the book and you all scurry on back to the tower. It's easier for everyone to get up in it this time, now that you know how to actually do it, though Liz's skirt still keeps flipping up, much to her embarrassment.

When you get in, Liz heads down and conjures another small spirit to power the wards back up. You head down to talk to your dad. "Hey, we got the book. We're trying to figure out the wording of the oath."

"Good. Be careful with the wording, this oath is a big deal. Neither of us will be able to break anything we swear under it, not even under the effects of mind control. You're... You're doing great, Max. Don't trust me, though. After so long down here, I could be crazy in ways I don't even know. That's why this oath is so important."

"I... Okay, dad," you say. You're still not sure how to feel about all of this. You head back to where Liz and Lin have set up at the kitchen table. They're already starting to brainstorm on the wording of the oath.

I'm going to give you guys one hour to come to consensus on the wording of the oath. I understand this will probably lead to some huge arguments, hence the time. To make it clear, Max will swear one oath and Dimitry a second.

Get to work, you beautiful perverts. I'll try to answer questions that the book would anwer or they would know.

>>23126564
It's just a basic, crappy dice pool system.

>>23126399
We only legitimately fucked her once or twice in Paris. The rest was blowjobs and strapons.

And maybe they need to be more emotionally charged for it to work better or something. Its definitely worth investigation.

>>23126666
>6666 quads

Seems appropriate for a demonic contract

Also there's a sshitstorm a brewing.

>>23126666
>6666
Appropriate for demon binding, no?

Anyway, just what scope do these oaths cover? How powerful are they, and how is obedience enforced (magical punishment on breach, instilled compulsions to obey, etc)? Just what is expected of our end of the bargain? And do we really need to go over this with a fine comb, considering that the demon in question is largely willing?

>>23126666
Ohhhh, you son of a bitch. You may acknowledge it, but you do not comprehend the storm which you have summoned.

Okay, guys, before we start wording it up, let's get our priorities for the oath straightened up first. What things do we want to swear to dad, and what do we want to have dad swear to us?

>>23126666
>I'll try to answer questions that the book would anwer or they would know.
Anyway to make sure it is our father ?

>>23126755
If it doesn't work, he's not. The oath only works on parental relations.

>>23126738
The oaths cover actions that the person undertakes and they instil a compulsion to follow them so intense that they cannot be resisted, even with Enchantment. There's no expected end. You could swear anything at all, as long as it's in your power to do it/not do it. You can be as precise as you want with your wording - the real question is how much you trust him, and how careful you want to be.

>>23126755
Beyond a shadow of a doubt? The only way is to try to sign the oath. If he's not your blood relative, it won't work on either of you.

>>23126755
If he isn't, the oath won't work. Not a big deal

>>23126743
Well, the obvious first: he must swear to protect the person, possessions, and secrets of ourselves and our friends wherever possible (this, naturally, precludes raping anyone), and share all information that could benefit us freely.

>>23126666
stupid question time: what do we want from our "dad"? protection? knowledge? before making the oath we need to figure that out

>>23126655
Statisticaly you have over 51% chance of success with 2 rolls.

>>23126797
/tg/ dice have never bowed to statistics.

>>23126789
Sounds good. All we really need here are the basics, since he's largely willing to help us anyway. Not like we're dealing with a genie or something.

As for our end of the deal, I'm thinking swearing to keep his nature and presence secret from those demonhunting assholes, and... That's all I can think of, actually.

>>23126666
For Dimitry
I swear not to do anything that would cause harm to Max, Liz, or Lin, in any manner. I also swear that I will never do anything Max, Liz, or Lin disapprove of.

Father's Oath
-shall not harm me our mine. (including allies, friends and family)
-shall aid me in my endeavors
-shall not work against me
-shall tell the truth to me and my closest allies in all things
-shall teach me all he can that Im willing to learn

Max's Oath
-I will learn all that he knows that I'm willing to learn
-I will free him from his prison
-I will do my best aid him in healing that the damage taken from his imprisonment

>>23126743
We want him not to do anything that would hurt or restrain us or the individuals we designate.
We might want him to support us too.

Problems: we might need being restrained at one time or the other, maybe because of mind control; in case of betrayal from a friend, we might need him to restrain those too. And we don't want his support in every aspect of our lives.

What about the laws of robotics ? Could we use an adapted version ? What are their shortcomings ?

>>23126789
Share with Max and those Max has deemed worthy through her own volition, free of any compulsion magical or otherwise.

As you worded it he could be compelled to share that info with our enemies.

>>23126853
Be careful. "Free him from his prison" can be taken to mean releasing him from the blood oath.

>>23126776
>>23126770
If he isn't our father and lied about it, he'll lie too about being under the effect of the oath until he's free.
There probably won't be a green light indicating that it works.

>>23126853
>do my best to aid him

You basically just said you'd let him fuck you.

>>23126882
But that's not in our power to actually do.

>>23126882
add a qualifier like current imprisonment then

>>23126853
>Max's oath
Redundant, redundant, and NOPE, BAD IDEA.
This oath is specifically to protect us from a horny as fuck incubus, swearing THAT is giving him a free pass to say "Ok, you can heal me by getting assraped. All of you."

>>23126853
We are in a position of power, just promise to free him and we're good.
Also can't we just use the three laws of robotics for his oath?

>>23126918
or find him someone to fuck.

>>23126931
hence you will not harm me. raping someone is a huge HARM

>>23126933
>Also can't we just use the three laws of robotics for his oath?
That seems perfect.

>>23126853
>-I will free him from his prison
>-I will do my best aid him in healing that the damage taken from his imprisonment
Why would we take such bothersome oaths ? I don't want to be forced to give him girls.
He's in no position to negociate anyway. The oath is for our benefit, not his. If we want to help him, we'll do it out of our own free will.

>>23126933
If he was 3 laws compliant, then he could not attack our enemies.

We need to be careful that our wording doesn't protect any turncoats we may end up having.

>>23126954
1. You may not injure Max or her allies or, through inaction, allow Max or her allies to come to harm.


2. You must obey the orders given by Max and her allies, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. You must protect your own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

Seems legit.

Priorities for dad
1. Never lies to us or deceives us in any way (NOTE: Extend to Liz, Lin, and Mom? Either way it opens up options for betrayal)
2. Teaches us everything he knows, and gives us all the info he can
3. Can only fuck those we okay, and for a time and under the circumstances we okay
3.1 This stipulation ends if we die, unless our father is responsible for our death either directly or indirectly, through action or inaction. (don't wanna fuck him over for however long he lives if we go kaput, but don't wanna give him incentive to off us)
4. Powers the tower and protects it against any who seek us harm or any sort of disadvantage (NOTE: add friends an family? either way is troublesome)

Finally, how far do we take these? Even unto his death, or some definition of reasonable effort?

>>23126954

1. Dimitry may not injure Max and friends or, through inaction, allow Max and friends to come to harm. This includes sexual action without express permission regardless of actual lethality.

2. Dimitry must obey the orders given to it by Max, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. Dimitry must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

>>23126988
Did you even READ I-Robot? That shit ain't perfect.

We shouldn't Fuck him over. Make it at least partially beneficial for him. Ask him what he wants out of the oath and take it into consideration.

>>23126941
He words
>"You'd recover. Eventually."
Everybody gets better, no harm done, right?
He's pent up and desperate, we need to make sure he can't find a loophole in that part. Once he's sated himself somehow OTHER then raping us, then we don't need to worry about exact words so much. But for this part, it's essential.

>>23126941
"harm" is subjective, as it does not describe conditions or durations.

>>23127002
No no no no, Lin betrays us and we can't order him to assist us in killing her? Bad idea.

>>23127030
If she betrays us, she is no longer our friend.

>>23126988
>>23127002
In this case, considering we're binding a thinking being and only the three of us get the keys, we can switch the order of laws one and two. That way we still gain full benefit from giving orders and cut off the possibility of a zeroth law issue cropping up.

>>23127030
just throw in that we have an higher priority than our allies

>>23126988
>>23127002
I think the second and third law are not appropriate.
We don't really want to order him around, and this guy does not need to be told to protect himself.

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Alright, how about this.

1. You must obey the orders given by Max and her allies, with those of Max given total presidence over others.

2. You may not injure Max or her allies or, through inaction, allow Max or her allies to come to harm, except where this does not conflict with the first Law.

3. You must protect your own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

>>23127002
4. Dimitry will provide false information to Max and friends.

>>23127030
Just add a clause that friends are a fluid designation determined by Max. A person's designation as friend can be ended by Max's order ,provided that said order is given free of compulsion, magical or otherwise.

>>23127080
He said himself that he may be crazier than he knows. This prevents suicide.

>>23127080
We might want to toss in a clause about not being able to trap/restrain us or our friends either. Otherwise, he might stick us in the brig for our own protection to keep us from participating in the school.

>>23127097
Amend #2 to include "Injury here considered to include unappreciated sexual advances of any kind" and we're good, I think.

Father's Oath
-shall not harm me our mine. (including allies, friends and family)
-shall aid me in my endeavors
-shall not work against me
-shall tell the truth to me and my closest allies in all things
-shall teach me all he can that Im willing to learn
-Shall make all reasonable efforts to attend my birthdays and give me age appropriate presents.

Max's Oath
-I will free him from his prison
-I will not kill him for anything he has done prior to the signing of his oath that I am currently aware of.
-This oath shall lapse in 7 (or 8, whenever we would have graduated assuming we make it that far) years

>>23127135
Swearing to free him is redundant, swearing not to kill him is unnecessary, and as I understand these oaths cannot lapse.

GUYS. GUYS!

I have a much easier way to do this that avoids and legal loop holes with poor wording.

Oath. One thing.

Dad swears to answer one question honestly and completely.

Max swears to let him out of the cage by the end of the day.

Question: What is your true name?

>>23127174
... You're a sneaky fucker.

>>23127174
That... Huh. No, but... Huh.

I'm willing to try that.

>>23127174
>answers "I don't know'

>>23127211
>>23127212

See. No fuss. No muss.

100% secure binding with no cost to us.

>>23127174
Not this alone. We don't know how true names work in this setting. His could change somehow and we would lose control.
Also >>23127226

>>23127174
Ok. Cool.
But if he turns on us he could still fuck us up before we give him the command to stop.
Better to make him swear never to harm us and follow our orders.

>>23127226
Ok, that might actually be a problem.

Just what are we going by when we say "True Name"? Is it their birth name, or some kind of "name reflecting your soul" deal?

>>23127246
That's what the "end of the day" bit is for: we don't let him out at all until we've had time to do the full binding.

>>23127228
>make something up as answer
100% secure my ass

>>23127249
The latter. It never changes, can be used to compel spiritual beings, and is a potent focus for conjuration effects when it comes to summoning and binding. Knowing his true name could allow you to summon and bind him extremely effectively, and giving him a command that used it would be extremely hard - but possible - to resist.

1. Dimitry may not injure Max and friends or, through inaction, allow Max and friends to come to harm. This includes sexual action without express permission regardless of actual lethality.

2. Dimitry must obey the orders given to it by Max, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. Dimitry must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

4. Dimitry will not provide false information to Max and friends. He will not withhold from Max any information which is pertinent to a line of questioning.

5. Friends of Max is a designation chosen by Max herself. Dimitry has no say over who is or is not of this designation. Max can remove a person's designation as a friend, but any form of coercion will invalidate the removal of friend status.

>>23127174
If we end up going with this make Max swear not to reveal it to someone else so the name can't get taken in a mindjacking.

>>23127276
>Dad swears to answer one question honestly and completely.
>honestly

>>23127242
>>23127246

Let's just look in the book. It's a book full of information about ways of binding spiritual beings.

If knowing his true name grants as much control as was implied in the last thread then it should work fine.

>>23127283
>but possible - to resist.
So it's actually a step down in terms of control compared to the blood oath, then.

Alright, I say we drop the true name idea and get back to working on the three-laws ripoff.

>>23127283
>The latter. It never changes, can be used to compel spiritual beings, and is a potent focus for conjuration effects when it comes to summoning and binding. Knowing his true name could allow you to summon and bind him extremely effectively, and giving him a command that used it would be extremely hard - but possible - to resist.

Sweet. So add in a few safeguard conditions and we're good to go.

Oath: You will swear to never physically, mentally or sexually attack myself Liz or Lin.

>>23127295
this looks fairly complete, just add a bit about aiding max with her endeavors and teaching her what he knows as we're golden

>>23127375
This oath makes him follow
orders, all we have to do is ask him to teach us. Don't need to add pointless lines

>>23126997
Dimitry
-Must not harm or restrain us, or the individuals we choose, except if we're under mind control from another individual, or by inaction, allow us to be harmed or restrained in a manner he knows to be immediate and significant for us, unless we give him a specific order to the contrary.
>this last part is shaky; we want to be able to take risks, but also to be protected against unexpected and expected threats... maybe we shouldn't ask for protection and just bet on the fact that he cares for us, with only the possibility of losing his help if he doesn't
-Must not knowingly lie to us, or tho the individuals we choose, or allow us to misunderstand him on matters he knows to be important to us
-Must teach us what he knows, within a time period he knows to be suitable for us, if we request information on a given subject
-Must not have sexual relationships with the individuals we choose


Let's not force him to power the tower, if it is our father then he's a nice person and I don't wish to see him in this situation.

>>23127295
Include something about restraining people, or he could bind Max in the dungeons and feed her every day to keep her 'safe' from the school.

What's in it for him? It shouldn't be a one sided thing.

>>23127405
The "pointless lines" make sure he doesn't go all Vietnam flashbacks and rape us.

We'd still have to do them anyway with the true name, but it's actually less binding than the blood oath according to femCOCK

>>23127417
Getting out of the fucking jailcell?

>>23127416
He has to follow our orders, so we would just tell him to stop tying us up or whathaveyou

>>23127321
>Alright, I say we drop the true name idea and get back to working on the three-laws ripoff.

No, get the true name AND the Asimov blood oath.

The blood oath is 100% but specific and based on the wording.

The true name is more like 95% but is non-specific and covers all orders, commands or conditions.

>>23127299
>one question
>he gets to choose the question

>>23127433
He could take our speaking away easy. 5th circle mage and all that.

>>23127295
This should work fine, if he has to follow our orders we can make up new rules on the fly if we really need them.

>>23127433
Not if the protection from harm is prioritized higher than the orders. And if it's not prioritized higher than the orders, that means that he could kill/rape us if a loophole in one of our orders allowed it.

>>23127428
Way to not endear resentment at a later date.

>>23127410
this sounds good

>>23127458
Yes, because making him swear to do shit he'd never do anyway will cause resentment. If he gets mad over these oaths then it's just proof that we needed to impose them on him.

>>23127417
He gets out of this cell.
The point of this oath is to protect us, nothing more.

>>23127448
>>23127453
What can possibly be added then? That he never take away our voice? The oath already has, never hurt max, specifically mentioned in it.

>>23127489
if he gets mad, just tell him to fuck off, the world is big and he can get a life again

>>23127503
Just include that he can't restrain us against our will.

>>23127489
See this snapple
>>23127518
After that it should be pretty airtight!
Good call on the no restraint.

>>23127504
>>23127489
Guys, guys, stop.

On Max's end, all we need to swear is to keep his survival a secret from others and to consider his advice. The latter especially should win us a bit of trust and won't limit us in the slightest.

>>23127135
Presents!
Should we get all the presents he missed while locked away, as well?

>>23127489
Considering he told us to do so because he's not sure if he's broken, taking safeguards against him being broken is exactly what he's hoping for.

>>23127458
Hell, he's the one who tells us not to trust us so repeatedly.

>>23127538
Technically we really don't have to make any oath at all, he is forced to agree to it to get out, but it's not like we have to swear to help him or anything. We can as a nicety, but it isn't strictly necessary.

LOOK THESE OVER

Dimitry's Oaths:

1. Dimitry may not injure Max and friends or, through inaction, allow Max and friends to come to harm. This includes sexual action without express permission, regardless of actual lethality.

2. Dimitry must obey the orders given to it by Max, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. Dimitry must protect his own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

4. Dimitry will not provide false information to Max and friends. He will not withhold from Max any information which is pertinent to a line of questioning or Max's growth in areas of her interest.

5. Friends of Max is a designation chosen by Max herself. Dimitry has no say over who is or is not of this designation. Max can remove a person's designation as a friend, but any form of coercion will invalidate the removal of friend status.

6. Dimitry will reveal his True Name to Max. He will make no efforts to resist commands given under it assuming Max has not been compelled by outside forces to give said commands. Dimitry will make no effort to impede Max from giving a command.

>>23127538
Not a bad idea.

>>23127564
Sounds good, any objections anyone?

>>23127564
Include a clause against restraint.

Max's oaths should be about never giving out Dimitry's true name and releasing Dimitry from his imprisonment.

>>23127563
Depends on whether you want him aiding us willingly or grudgingly.

>>23127581
>Dimitry will make no effort to impede Max from giving a command.

It's under number 6.

>>23127593
Yea well, we can force him to obey us and never harm us as a precaution, and then as long as we don't abuse that oath still have him willingly help us.

>>23127564
I'm still not sure the True Name bit is a good idea. If he were comfortable with sharing it he would have just gone right to that.

>>23127603
Replied to the wrong person >_>

Meant to reply to >>23127588

>>23127603
But it's trumped by the first rule. He could lock her away "for her own safety" the way one would a child.

>>23127622
I know, I find it hard not to reply to me too.

Current wording enslaves him, I for one would be pissed off by it.

>>23127564
It's funny that you started off
>SNAP NECKS
but are now one of the most competent posters in this quest

>>23127621
>>23127564
This. I mean, we can always order him to tell his true name later

>>23127623
Then put 6 in the number 1 slot and bump everything else so it takes precedence.

>>23127564
the inaction bit of law 1 allows him to take initiative and such initiative would be of a higher priority than our own orders, do we want to risk that?

>>23127623
>>23127564
This. Obeying our orders is the paramount issue. We don't need to worry much about him being ordered to harm us because only three people have the ability to do so. The original laws, after all, were designed such that EVERYBODY got to give orders.

>>23127637
Only in the sense that he has to follow our orders, we don't actually have to order him around, and we can tell him that the oath is just a precaution. Because it is

>>23127651
Then our commands would trump our survival and safety. Just include a clause against restraint.

>>23127637
If he doesn't want to help, we can order him to go and never came back. He already did it once
bitching powers activate

>>23127659

What if someone mindcontrols us, and makes us order him to kill us? Game over

Okay, it's been an hour. Do you have a set of rules that you've agreed upon?

>>23127564
Add somthing in there about how if he belives it will violate rule 1 he has to tell us why, and we can override him anyway. We might also want to add in an option allowing us to void the the deal eventually. The bond might be permanent, but if we have a clause saying that "Max can with his full of his own free will without any form of coercion void the previous clauses of the deal if he does so in writing three times, each 30 days after from the previous +- 1 hour."

>>23127675


Dimitry's Oaths:

1. Dimitry may not injure Max and friends or, through inaction, allow Max and friends to come to harm. This includes both restraint and sexual action without express permission, regardless of actual lethality.

2. Dimitry must obey the orders given to it by Max, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. Dimitry must protect his own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

4. Dimitry will not provide false information to Max and friends. He will not withhold from Max any information which is pertinent to a line of questioning or Max's growth in areas of her interest.

5. Friends of Max is a designation chosen by Max herself. Dimitry has no say over who is or is not of this designation. Max can remove a person's designation as a friend, but any form of coercion will invalidate the removal of friend status.

6. Dimitry will reveal his True Name to Max. He will make no efforts to resist commands given under it assuming Max has not been compelled by outside forces to give said commands. Dimitry will make no effort to impede Max from giving a command.

>>23127696
Read 6 again. Mind control automatically invalidates any command.

>>23127696
In that case we're already fucked; they could just order us to stop breathing and skip the middle man.

>>23127410
-Must not harm or restrain us, or the individuals we designate to him for this purpose, except if we're under mind control from another individual, or by inaction, allow us to be harmed or restrained in a manner he knows to be immediate, unwanted, and significant for us, unless we give him a specific order to the contrary.
-Must not knowingly lie to us, or tho the individuals we designate to him for this purpose, or allow us to misunderstand him on matters he knows to be important to us
-Must teach us what he knows, within a time period he knows to be suitable for us, if we request information or education on a given subject
-Must reveal his True Name (or true name ?) to us
-Must not reveal information regarding our activities in Scholomance, or those of the individuals we designate to him for this purpose
-Must not have sexual relationships with the individuals we designate to him for this purpose
-Must strive to follow the original intent of this oath as he knows it, as long as it doesn't conflict with its wording

>>23127564
I'd rather be able to use different lists of "friends" for different ends.

>>23127564
this sounds good. As far as what max swears... we basically release him from his cell.

>>23127722
Perfect.

>>23127705
See:
>>23127722

>>23127722
Except that he can't tell necissarily if we're mind controlled. Best to just leave the resistance clause out entirely and let him use his judgement.

>>23127735
We still need Max's oaths.

I feel that:

1. Max will free Dimitry from his cell.

2. Max will not reveal Dimitry's True Name.

>>23127722
>2. Dimitry must obey the orders given to it by Max
I don't like this part... it's our father...

>>23127742
He doesn't need to; the oath's actual enforcement spells would presumably be able to perceive that one side is compromised and take that into consideration.

inb4 we fail Mind rolls and fuckup oath reciting
or fail Soul rolls and he finds some loop hole

>>23127755
Additionally, for goodwill:

3: Max will shield Dimitry from discovery by his enemies.

4: Max will give Dimitry's advice due consideration.

I still think we should include a clause allowing us to release the deal.

>>23127755
2 is good. 1 is unecessary, we know we'll do that, and we'll prove it to him soon enough.

>>23127722
This seems to be the most competent and together list we have so far.
Enslaving our father may not be the friendliest, but he's been locked away for 15 years, and so it's really for the best.

>>23127764
My feelings. This will destroy any chance of a relationship with him.

>>23127564
In clause 5, change "removal" to "alteration". If he goes and forces us to identify someone as a friend, that means we can't order Dimitry to attack them.

Clause 6 has no business being there. All you're asking for is trouble with that clause. Especially since it includes a conditional based on a purely subjective state of interpretation (see "assuming"; he could "assume" that Liz is influencing Max's orders because Liz is our Number-One girl)

In fact, for each clause, we need to iron out those issues.

Clause 1: change "injure" to "harm". Add "of the recipient" onto "permission". Remove the whole bit about "lethality" at the end. If we get him to swear only to fuck under express permission of recipient of said act, then there's no need for such a clause.

Clause 2: Remove "the" and "to it" from the first part, for clarity purposes. Add "to Dimitry" after "Max", for clarity.

Clause 3: You're good.

Clause 4: No need for "...or Max's growth...". That whole part of the sentence can be cut out, and it can end on "line of questioning". Add a clause that "Dimitry must provide truthful information to Max and friends in such cases where omission or reservation of such information will infringe upon other clauses."

>>23127764
>>23127806
He may be our father, but only in blood. We need to treat this like we had just summoned some random incubus.

>>23127705
apparently not...

>>23127823
After all, HE'S the one telling us to be paranoid. If anything he'd see it as a sign that we're getting the right mindset.

>>23127810
/tg/; Contrac/tg/uys

I suppose I can wait a few more minutes for you guys to finish hammering out the details.

>>23127823
Except in addition to being an incubus, he was also a student here. What do we actually know about incubi in this universe?
I get the impression people are making assumptions without verifying them based on incubi from other settings.

How do we know they act the same? We don't.

>>23127722

>>23127755
This is fine with me, you've got a more airtight solution than anyone else.

/tg/ certainly is good at writing out demonic contracts.

This is exactly what my pastor warned me about!

>>23127690
Heh. We need to do something like tihs.

>>23127849
Thanks.
Just be glad you're not asking us to make wishes, we'd be here for a week.

>>23127823
Not really. If he's really our father, he's been honest with us. Restricting him from harming us is enough.

>>23127810
Everything this guy said.

>>23127795
>>23127755
>>23127722
Sounds good to me.

>>23127875
Oh, believe me, I know. Making contracts with a devil is one thing; making a wish with a djinn is something else entirely.

>>23127875
And we'd have a single run-on sentence that takes an hour to say.

>>23127906
Then we'd find out that all wishes require proper grammar, and we'd be up the creek.
And it turns out the djinn was a bro anyway, but got offended by our lack of trust and decided to fuck us over in direct response to our trying to avoid being fucked over.

>>23127898
If you ever pull a wish on us, I elect that we give the wish to a stupider person, preferably an enemy, and then let them destroy themselves. Use a wish as a weapon in itself. No need for the middleman.

If that's impossible, then we should outright refuse the wish. Upon refusing the wish, make sure the djinn is no longer waiting on us for a wish, and that any further wishes made by us will not be fulfilled without our express permission after the making of said wish, in form of confirmation of aforementioned wish. (because the djinn could take "making the wish" as giving express permission; djinns are assholes)

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>>23127722
>through inaction, allow Max and friends to come to harm.
No, this part is too vague. That would allow him to stop us from a doing lot of things.
That might force him to stop us from confronting ennemies.

>>23127810
I feel that 6 needs to stay, but I modified it a bit.

Dimitry's Oaths:

1. Dimitry may not harm Max and friends or, through inaction, allow Max and friends to come to harm. This includes both restraint and sexual action without express permission from the recipient. Any form of coercion invalidates said permission.

2. Dimitry must obey the orders given by Max to Dimitry, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. Dimitry must protect his own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

4. Dimitry will not provide false information to Max and friends. He will not withhold from Max any information which is pertinent to a line of questioning or would be beneficial to Max. Dimitry must provide truthful information to Max and friends in such cases where omission or reservation of such information will infringe upon other clauses.

5. Friends of Max is a designation chosen by Max herself. Dimitry has no say over who is or is not of this designation. Max can remove a person's designation as a friend, but any form of coercion will invalidate the alteration of friend status.

6. Dimitry will reveal his True Name to Max. He will make no efforts to resist commands given under it by Max if she has not been compelled by outside forces to give said commands. Dimitry will make no effort to impede Max from giving a command.

>>23127964
If we're being confronted by enemies, then stopping us from confronting them also puts us at risk of being harmed. In the case of conflict, he would have no choice but to aid us in eliminating the enemy.

>>23127964
Whereupon the hypothetical enemy would kill us, thus bringing us to hypothetical harm.

>Dimitry may not harm Max and friends or, through inaction, allow Max and friends to come to harm
So in certain circumstances this will force him to sacrifice himself.
And what happen if he needs to harm us to save us from a situation, what then?

>>23127981
Max's Oaths:

1. Max will free Dimitry from his cell.

2. Max will not reveal Dimitry's True Name.

3. Max will shield Dimitry from discovery by his enemies.

4. Max will give Dimitry's advice due consideration.

>>23127981
I second these.