[x] shit pants

>>23205516
>[x] Other

"BROKEN ARROW! I SAY AGAIN; BROKEN ARROW! BROKEN ARROW!"

[x] Retreat while giving supportive fire, The witches first group with 1 tank with them. Then frog leap backwards with the group standing still giving supportive fire

>>23205516
>[x] Fucking egress. EGRESS!

They didn't return fire when we were pounding their shields because SW shields are solid--they'd have to drop it to return fire.

Have the company split into two, one moving while the other keeps pounding. Once we out range them comfortably, fucking book it.

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>>23205516
>[] other

get head out and use GLARE OF DEATH

>>23205548
Really? Nuclear weapons? Escalate much, eh?

>missed a thread
safdghsajfda
Mouse get a Twitter please. Or maybe there should be a shared Twitter for SW quests.
>>23205516
[x] “We pound 'em again, those shield witches gotta be getting tired.”

>>23205516
[x] “We shift fire, stick and move. There's nine of us, and two of them!”

One element taking shots on target at all times, other elements move, switch off shooting and scooting until we can hit them from several directions at once.

>>23205548
>>23205607
And not to mention we'd also get caught in the blast radius...

Sage for idiocy.

>>23205607
I don't think you know what broken arrow means.

>>23205607
>>23205650

Broken Arrow in this context would be an emergency call for all nearby Close Air Support. It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons.

>>23205516
>[] “We shift fire, stick and move. There's nine of us, and two of them!”
See if the Zoomies have any more hate they can drop, also call in the Saudi's.

>>23205663
>>23205677

Wrong. That was back in Vietnam. In 89 it means that nuclear weaponry has been lost or scattered around the place.

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>>23205516

>[] “We shift fire, stick and move. There's nine of us, and two of them!”
>Other: Battle Plan

"All Tanks, open fire again! Keep pounding that tank!"

"Top,split our girls and move to flank that thing from both sides... and if we bite, call in Broken Arrow and get out of here."

Notice that the tank refused to open fire when we kept pounding it from the front. Our girls also reported that that the gun was silent, indicating that it was magiced as well.

What this implies is that the tank had to concentrate on its defense and not shoot during our bombardment. If our own tanks keep pounding it, we might be able to force it to keep shielding itself AND witches can only create a shield in one direction( save Viper but Viper's Viper). By having our girls flank it from both sides at once, we increase our chances of getting shots on target.

>>23205746

Which makes no sense in this context so we'll use the definition that does, you fucking autist.

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>>23205760
Bingo, Jackpot, Bulls-eye, all that jazz. You got it.

>>23205778
Then don't call Broken Arrow when you don't want to use its definition, you utter retard.

Time to not do anything else tonight!

[x] HELLFIRE AND DAMNATION UPON THEM, LADIES

>>23205808
>Implying that I was the one who suggested it

>>23205817
But drink!

>>23205760

>an actual coherent battle plan

Do it

>>23205839
>[...]the definition that does.
But calling in lost nuclear weapons makes no sense.

>>23205760

actually legit idea

i'm in

>>23205677
>>23205746
It basically comes down to which shitty movie you watched more recently, Broken Arrow or We Were Soldiers.

In military context, the phrase held both definitions simultaneously, which was never much of a problem because the circumstances in which each would be applied really didn't overlap at all.

Additionally, the DoD directive for the nuclear incident definition came out in 1993, so in '89 it only meant 'i need air support ten minutes ago'

>>23206021
Can you back that up? I didn't find anything stating that.

>>23205563
switch this one for instead
>>23205760

>>23206072
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/523016p.pdf

First appearance of the term in anything that isn't still classified. It has since been retroactively used to describe incidents fitting the definition back to the '50s.

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My favorite time of the week.

>>23206337
Lol! Good one.

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Woo! Alright, sorry for the lack of an introduction this week. Saw the time and just wanted to get the thread started.

anyhow, here's the archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=TW89

Now, let's continue, shall we?

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>[] “We shift fire, stick and move. There's nine of us, and two of them!”

“Alright boys, we got something they don't. We got numbers. We gotta set the tempo of this fight. Stick and move, shoot and scoot. Top, take Mister Fister, Old Hand, and Patterson, swing wide left. Come around on 'em and either try to get them to look at you, or shoot the shit out of their side armor! Everyone else, gimme mobile elements centered on Booze Hound. We gotta do some Marine Corps maneuver warfare shit here! Anderson! Get on the horn and see what you can pull me support wise! I don't care what favors you have to burn!”

From your viewports, you see Rockfield, your company first sergeant, grab Patterson by the shoulders and swing around behind your vehicle, moving to link up with sergeants Norton and Brand.

Unfortunately, the bloc tanks have a different idea. One pivots in place to give up it's front armor in exchange for you not being able to turn their flank. The other locks it's gun directly on you.

Looking into your scopes, you place your cross hairs onto the turned vehicle. You mark it as your primary target for Nicky, who's own reticule you see swing up towards the enemy armor.

“Sir,” sergeant Norton says over the radio, beginning to maneuver his Abrams behind a dune. “What happens if they engage both elements with one vehicle a piece?”

“You mean like they're doing now?”

“Uh, yeah, pretty much.”

“If we can surround 'em, we can win.” You reply simply.

>>23206544

2/2

Your tank rocks backwards as young Nicholas engages his target. Pressing your eyes to your scope, you watch the round close the range on-the-bounce, slamming into the sideways tank's armor. You're met with a spectacular explosion as the vehicles ERA detonates, leaving behind a scorched, but relatively unscathed block of turret armor.

“Well, shit.” Nicky says as the second vehicle engages you.

Seigel was absolutely right. There was no sound at all from the vehicle firing. No muzzle flash, no muzzle extractor vents, not a whisper. If it weren't for your own armor defeating the shot, you're sure that you wouldn't have even known that you'd been shot at.

Dr. Light's invention works incredibly well. The enemy shot was aimed at one of the large pieces of plate on either side of your gun, where most of your proto-plating is focused. The armor itself would've buckled under the shot, however, the electric discharge was so great that, as promised, it completely vaporized the enemy round.

“Ey cap, bad news. No support to be had, Saudi and task force elements are engaged on all fronts. Air is flying almost nonstop and arty hasn't had a chance to sit for nearly three hours now.” Anderson says over the radio.

[] “Anderson, where the hell are you!? We gotta draw these fuckers in!”
[] “Never fuckin' changes, zoomies do the flyin', tankers just do the dyin'. All vehicles, maintain engagement!”
[] other.

>>23206553
>[x] “Anderson, where the hell are you!? We gotta draw these fuckers in!”
>[x] “Never fuckin' changes, zoomies do the flyin', tankers just do the dyin'. All vehicles, maintain engagement!”

>>23206553
>[x] “Never fuckin' changes, zoomies do the flyin', tankers just do the dyin'. All vehicles, maintain engagement!”

>>23206553
Both

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>>23206553
>[x] “Anderson, where the hell are you!? We gotta draw these fuckers in!”
>[x] “Never fuckin' changes, zoomies do the flyin', tankers just do the dyin'. All vehicles, maintain engagement!”

Time to run them over.

>>23206553
>[] “Never fuckin' changes, zoomies do the flyin', tankers just do the dyin'. All vehicles, maintain engagement!”

>>23206553

"Anderson, we're moving to engage and flank these enemy tanks. Can you setup a kill zone trap? We're try to steer the engagement to your area and let you burn them."

>>23206553
[x] “Never fuckin' changes, zoomies do the flyin', tankers just do the dyin'. All vehicles, maintain engagement!”
Hey, if we shot the .50 down their barrels, would that do anything?

>>23206732

They have shields. The shields would stop it dead.

>>23206732

Moreover, .50 do basically nothing, even if you could get it down the barrel (a small, moving target at great distance).

May as well shoot the .50 at them anyway just to show them we care

>>23206762
Well then they're keeping the shields up, preventing them from firing and tiring the witches out. Win-win!

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>>23206838
Bitch ass Russians don't know bout our walruses.

>>23206876
wow

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>>23207043

>>23207099
classy as fuck

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>[] “Never fuckin' changes, zoomies do the flyin', tankers just do the dyin'. All vehicles, maintain engagement!”

“Yeah, yeah, figures. All vehicles, maintain your level of engagement!”

Watching the fight develop for a few seconds, you're able to see that Rockfield's group has made decent headway to your northwest. A few of the electric reactive plates on both Old Hand and Mister Fister have been burned away, but both vehicles are still in the fight. Rockfield fires a burst from her SAW, met with a ripple of exploding ERA blocks on the first soviet tank's turret. While neither side is making much headway, a part of you is sure that you can win this fight by pure attrition if you have to.

That part of you shuts right the hell up when another enemy shot engages and is defeated by your proto-plating. You know that at some point, one of those shots would get lucky and hit an un-protected area, and you're not too fond of the idea of learning just how much armor those guns can penetrate.

Behind you, Rosalez and Seigel open up with their weapons, the latter's being drowned out by the roar of a Ma Deuce. More blocks of ERA detonate on the broadsided vehicle before their shield comes up again, easily shrugging off even the enhanced rounds of your witches.

>>23207320

2/2

From the front of the enemy tank, your vehicles pounce. Two silver bullet penetrators, a full SAW magazine, and Patterson's fifty millimeter cannon shout in defiance, all but one of the shots being defeated by either the armor or ERA blocks. That one single shot, however, penetrates the driver's compartment of the enemy tank, undoubtedly killing the poor bastard in there and removing the vehicle's ability to move.

“Alright! That's a Mobility kill! Chalk one up for Mister Fist-”

Norton is immediately cut off when his tank is gutted by an enemy shell. The round penetrates through the Abrams mantlet, blowing the hatches off and sending a gout of flame into the night sky.

Your heart immediately sinks, and that tiny voice telling you to run gets louder. The other side had drawn first blood, despite being hideously outnumbered and previously seemingly undergunned.

>wat do?

>>23207326
run. Run! RUUUUN!

They're going to kill us all if we stand here! Fall back until we can get something that can kill these bitches!

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>>23207326
FALL BACK! and call for anything to hit these bitches!

>>23207326
Keep up the fire and keep spreading out.

Anderson's boys need to be launching some fucking rockets right about now.

>>23207326
Do not panic. Focus fire on the enemy tank that is still mobile. Keep flanking.

>>23207326
dont retreat while one of them can still follow us, we need at least a mobility kill on the other tank and then we can let the air force deal with it

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>>23207326
Blood for the Blood God, Murder the Bastard! At least Mobility kill the other of we do retreat.

>>23207352
I've been telling you people to do that since last thread. Did you listen? No.

And NOW you want to run away? When you're already in-range and locked-in?

DON'T RUN. FIGHT.

It's your goddamn fault people are gonna die and you're going to reap the whirlwind.

But you're gonna have to stick with it because by God, if you try to run now, you'll get MORE people killed than sticking it out--and with nothing accomplished.

>>23207326

Get Anderson on the line. See if he can get his boys on rescue duty.

The Soviets aren't gonna waste ammo on a kill already.

Have his AT teams engage the immobilised tank. The rest of us should concentrate fire on the other.

These tanks die now.

>>23207326
>Keep flanking and keep doing the synchronized firing on the other tank, hoping for a kill, aiming for a mobility kill

>>23207461
>other of
other one if*

Rolled 9

>>23207326
fuck running, fuck this bastard

RAMMING SPEED

then throw grenades/satchels down their turret if we can

>>23207484
woops forgot to turn dice off in my rage

>>23207484
That is an absolutely terrible idea.

>>23207326
We are all in already, go for the kill.

>>23207326
They die, now.

If they get out of their tanks, we mow them down. They killed one of ours. We take no prisoners tonight.

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>>23207484

>>23207522

Nyet.

Rules of war still apply.

Hold yourself to the higher standard.

>>23207522
We are more professional than that.

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>>23207326
"You've lost one of your units"
The will pay in blood, you have gotten this far, do not relent because of your comrades sacrifice. You know they can only soak up so much fire before their shields break. Continue to pound them into dust.

what the fuck is anderson doing!

>>23207546
We don't have room for prisoners and we are in middle of desert, we mercy kill them and because we will NOT have a Steamboat Willie.

>>23207326

This >>23207395

Stick to the plan that wasted the first Iraqi tank.

>>23207569
How about no and how about also fuck you.

>>23207326
Focus fire on the still-mobile tank. Burn it.
We'll leave the second intact to be recovered and studied.
>>23207569
AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT WE SHOULD SHOOT THE WITCHES!

>>23207569

Please go.

And for the love of god, please don't bring up anything about Spec Forces killing anyone they please.

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>>23207579
Am I wrong?

>>23207612
Yes. We are within range of numerous allied units, some of which undoubtedly have trucks that can transport prisoners, especially the valuable captured crews of an as-yet-unseen supertank.

>>23207472

This guy knows what he's talking about.

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>>23207612

Yes, you are. You've made a bad decision and now you are mad that the inevitable consequences are coming to pass, so you want to go all 'RIP AND TEAR' because of it. I sincerely hope there are enough people to outvote you and your terrible decisions in the future.

But for now, you've made your bed, now lie in it.

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1/2

“Don't let that one be in vain! Fuckin' pound 'em!” You shout into your radio, your blood boiling. They killed one of your tanks. They hurt your babies. Now that blood is in the water, you've started your shark's charge.

Patterson, who can't take her eyes off the wreckage of Mister Fister's hulk, barely has time to bring up her shield before a second shell slams into it and throws her onto her back. You can't tell if she's breathing or not, and she's definitely not moving.

“Anderson, you get in this goddamned fight right now!” You shout, slamming your fist into one of the many consoles in front of you.

“Way ahead of you, sir. Give us thirty seconds and we'll engage. Hold your fire on the immobile tank, and try to draw the other one away. There's a tiny hamlet a klik to the east. Hate to bring the fight to the civilians, but fuck it. It's war.”

“Solid, HANS! Booze Hound takes up the rear!” You say. If anyone else from your company dies, it's going to be you for leading them into this mess. Hopefully you won't have to write more than four letters home today.

Old Hand swings around behind the wreckage of Mister Fister, making a superb running shot on the immobile tank, destroying what you think is their thermal imager. If that was it, you've effectively blinded them, forcing either the vehicle commander to open his hatch or them to fire blind.

>>23207899

2/2


Sweet Thang, your third and now final steelwheel, begins a slow roll towards the hamlet, acting as mobile cover for Seigel, Ooishi, and Rosalez. Your two scouts, completely exhausted from their sprint back to your lines, seem to be lagging behind, though not by enough to risk being shot.

“Oh, fuck, sir?” Nicky says, his 'lookout' reticule moving to the left of your screen, targeting reticule still firmly locked on the mobile enemy vehicle.

On your screen, you can see Rockfield trying to drag Patterson's form back behind the cover of the still burning wreckage of Mister Fister. Both enemy tanks had them firmly in sights.

You know you only have time to shout one warning, the question is, which to make it?

[] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”
[] “Rockfield, move! They're gonna fuckin' blast you!”
[] other

>>23207326

Fire and manuver. Break off by sections.

>>23207911

[x] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

>>23207887
First, I wanted to go around the fuckers in the previous thread, so fuck you for making assumptions. Second I coincide the argument.

>>23207911
>[] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

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>>23207911
>[x] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

>>23207911
Block

>>23207911
>[x] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

>>23207911
>[] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

>>23207911
>[] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”
Going to have to take one for the team. No way rockfield can get herself and patterson out of the way.

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>>23207911

>targeting reticule still firmly locked on the mobile enemy vehicle

[x] Shout warning to whoever is NOT being aimed at by the mobile tank

[x] NICKY. FIRE

Welp we're screwed; suck in a nigh hopless fight with tactical failures that make Lee Injun of the Shirogane look like a genius

>>23207911
>[x] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

Brace for impact and hope Anderson can kill the reds before they fire.

>>23208005

This.

Or failing that, shout to Hans and two words to Top.

"Top! SHIELD!"

>>23207911

[X] “Rockfield, move! They're gonna fuckin' blast you!”

>>23208005
>>23208053
"Hans Block, Top Shield, Everyone fire!"

>>23207911
[x] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”
Looks like they've got targeting links.
>>23208053
>>23208079
Doubt her shield will block both shots.

>>23208079

Aberverate!

We can get warnings to everyone.

>>23208092

If both were aiming at Top, we wouldn't be forced to choose who to warn.

>>23207911
[x] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

>>23208079
>>23207911
THIS! We can Do it!

>>23208116
They are both aiming at Top. The Hans choice is to try to interpose our tank between Top and the badguys because we have ERA and she doesn't.

>>23208079
seconding this, because seriously our command calling so far has been fucking shit, way too many words for simple instructions, its time to command properly

>>23208185

Damn, didnt read carefully. My apologies anon.

>>23207911
>[] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”
Time to push Light's active armor to its limit.

>>23207911
>>23208079
We can do both

>You know you only have time to shout one warning, the question is, which to make it?
>BOTH
srsly

>>23208383
yea, Jake needs a serious lesson in calling commands, always too long and not to the point

>>23208438
My post >>23208079 is shorter then either option and gets everything done. So yes, srsly.

>>23207911

THIS!! >>23208079

>>23208438

We choose a 3rd option.

And for gods sake, SHOOT.

If we even manage to damage that tank, we reduce the amount of incoming fire by half.

>>23207911
>>23208079
Short and sweet

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>[] “Hans, dive for the ball! Block 'em block 'em block 'em!”

“Hans, get us in there! Rockfield! Shield!”

“Ja, Herr Captain.”

Hans slams the vehicle into drive and nearly breaks his wrist twisting the throttle, throwing you back into your seat. Credit where it's due, the man is an outstanding driver. He blocks out the two vehicles before the honeywell turbine engine in Booze Hound sends you over a berm, landing hard in the sand, just in time to see Rockfield's shield completely deflect the first shot. Your top Sargent staggers, unleashing a burst with her saw while still holding onto Patterson’s collar.

The second shot, however, breaks through her shield and sends her spinning into the sand. Casually tossed aside, Mary Patterson's form lands behind Mister Fister's burning structure.

Then both guns focus in on you.

A pair of heat signatures in your sight stand up from the desert sands, throwing away what look like voids in the desert night. A pair of white lances scream forward from them, slamming into the still mobile enemy vehicle. The first is absorbed by a rolled steel cage on the rear of the vehicle, however the second sails through the opening the first caused and detonates on the engine compartment of the enemy vehicle. A fire breaks out, fuel lines squirting diesel into the blaze.

The commanders hatch of the enemy vehicle flaps open, revealing an older Russian officer. His salt and pepper hair is covered only by his comms headset, hard set jaw still hammering out orders, moustache quivering.

Ooishi takes his head off.

>>23209253

2/2

From his desert vantage point, Anderson taps his partner on the shoulder before sprinting to the hatch of the vehicle, pumping a round into his shotgun. He climbs up the side of the vehicle, aiming the weapon into the open hatch. You watch as he fires at least once, running the slide immediately afterwards, before jumping down and sprinting away.

“Those were our last two AT-4's, sir. That's all we can do for you unless you're able to pop the other one's hatches. Dunno how you'd do it, we're all out of det, but good luck.”

Hans swings your vehicle into place, blocking out both Patterson and Rockfield from the enemy's sight picture. Nicky swivels the turret, placing his reticule on the enemy vehicle just in time for it to fire.

Dr. Light's invention has worked amiably to this point. It's defeated every shot that's been thrown at it thus far, and done it in a way that no non-reactive armor could even hope to do it. Unfortunately, it's a finite resource. The enemy projectile slams into your turret face, leaving a massive crater in the armor. It also takes almost all of your computer systems out, along with the motor for the ammo door on Michael's side of the turret.

“Don't let papa down, baby.” Nicky muttered, and thumbed the firing stud a hair after you got hit. His round mirrors theirs almost exactly, only yours goes through. The penetrator slams into the harsh angle of the enemy tank's turret, burrowing it's way through the hard steel. Once inside, it bounces off every other surface, not having enough kinetic energy to travel through the other side. You have no doubt in your mind that everyone on the inside of the turret is dead. Maybe others too, but you have no idea if the vehicle is compartmentalized for just this sort of thing.

>wat do?

>>23209262
Get on the .50, get one of the other witches to check Rockfield and Patterson, get the other tanks to shoot the other bastard until we see signs of surrender or mission kill.

>>23209262

[x] "Anderson. Get a grenade in that hole."

Then get out of the tank and start running for Rockfield. "Rockfield!"

Call it in. Get some orders on what to do with those mission killed prototype tanks.

>>23209262
[x] " Anderson, put a nade in the hatch."
Check Rockfield and Patterson, though I think I know her condition...

>>23209315
this, I want to see blood running out of every single hole and crack in that fucker


also now that our tank needs a presumably complete repair/refit does this mean it can be M1 CATTB tiem now?

>>23209315

This. Get the greenies to see if anyone is still alive in Mister Fister.

"MEDIC"

>>23209315

BELAY.

Shouldn't we call out for surrender and survivors, first?

>>23209359
well the drivers compartment is fairly separated from the turret so assuming there wasn't a fire or ammo cooked off in there the driver should be alive

>>23209315
This and Call in the tanks to command. See if we need CASEVAC for the witches, see if we can get tags from the Fister.

>>23209262

>>23209314

This. Make sure the tank that the Green Berets crippled isn't going to shoot back, then get Sushi to check on Rockfield and Patterson while a few of Anderson's men check for survivors in Mister Fister.

>>23209373
fuck no, as long as we cant see every single crew member of those tanks dead or surrendered out of the vehicle they are still a threat, treat them as such

>>23209262
Is this correct:

We've got one badguy with an engine hit, a dead commander, and potential one other dead guy from Anderson's shotgun.

The other badguy has a dead driver thanks to Mr. Fister, and a dead everyone else from our shell.

If so we need to keep a good eye on badguy number one and also watch out for enemy witches/crew bailing out.

Give them one and only one chance to surrender.

>>23209315

This and call it in.

We need Medivac, like RIGHT NOW.

>>23209388
well seeing as they popped the engine compartment with an AT-4 and those things are essentially t-80/90 powerpacks there should be burning diesel everywhere inside them

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>>23209357
Mmm, 140mm.
>>23209359
Hopefully
>>23209373
Their still a threat till they toss their hands up and go the way of the French after a German Invasion.

>>23209402

Give them one chance.

They do anything stupid, drop their fucking asses.

>>23209419
>Mmm, 140mm.
and that seriously better turret armor

also imagine that with TUSK and the good doctors electro ERA

>>23209262
>>23209385 Here
Modifing my vote in that we shouldn't leave our tank and instead get on the Ma Deuce.

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I see alot of drinking in Jake's immediate future when we get back to base.

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>>23209445
May as well toss this shit too.

>>23209262
Get Anderson to check on Rockfield and Patterson while the tanks keep guns trained on te Witch Tanks.
Meanwhile we need to call this up to Garrison before other units have to engage these things.

>>23209402
Thriding the one chance. Priorities to medical team heading to check on Mr. Fister for survivors.

>>23209468
unless the ruskies start fielding more super heavy mobile fortresses I don't foresee the need for this

that said I can still see the enemy shit themselves as we charge they're armored formations with line breachers

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Y'know, the Russians seem to want to bring back superheavies, which may necessitate something to kill said superheavies. . .
Does that mean there could be a new generation of sweet, sweet Tank Destroyers, designed to pop shit like the Bitch?

>>23209450
Indeed.

>>23209564
Here's the thing about tank destroyers. They don't have a turret. That sucks ass. Thank god superheavy tanks use up a huge amount of fuel, are hard to transport and generally break everything underneath them.

>>23209564
Tank destroyer doctrine is dildos.

Upgun the Abrams a little bit maybe, but don't invest in fanciful nonsense to combat the other guy's fanciful nonsense.

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>>23209564
how about a nuke.

>>23209357
>>23209315

Kill yourself, idiot. There might be useful information in that tank.

Your the asshole who was advocating for shooting the survivors earlier, weren't you? I thought you'd left.

>>23209620
>mfw 1 day ban from /k/
>mfw I find a weapons discussion elsewhere
The 140mm Rheinmetall gun looks sexy as hell. If it means we can keep using dirt cheap APFSDS instead of ATGMs, then hell yes. With any luck it'll be on the M1A3.

We'll also have to remember to get a salvage crew down here to ship these bastards back to Light so we can figure out how they tick.

>>23209666
>140mm Rheinmetall
>any luck it'll be on the M1A3.

There's a rule some where that says the Russians must have a bigger gun then us on their tonks.

>>23209262

Get a sitrep from all remaining elements, deal with wounded and KIA.

Deal with surviving Russians in accordance with the Geneva convention.

>>23209655
You said what I wanted to say. Now I must scrap my post.

>>23209655
those you replied to are 2 different people, and neither are the asshole you referenced

>>23209619
>They don't have a turret
M10 says you're full of shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M10_tank_destroyer

>>23209697
And it's led them to produce some of the most stupidly impractical tanks ever.

>>23209262
Keep your tanks trained on both the enemy tanks, have Anderson secure the enemy crew. From the sound and look of it, they are effectively knocked out.

>>23209697
>implying Russia has the money
>implying Russian cannons aren't shit
Maybe in the 60s, man.

>>23209716
Shut it, your not suppose to let them know!!!

>>23209619
>>23209714
M18 too.

>>23209714
Jesus, I derped like hell. Sorry. Also, low survivability.

>>23209714
Right but the M10 is dildos.

The Achilles was alright, but the base model was made completely redundant when they started putting the 76mm on the Shermans

>>23209714
Its gun is the exact same type they slapped onto late war shermans.

>>23209714
not the guy you replied to but the tank destroyer philosophy and doctrine are essentially obsolete nowdays

>>23209747
>>>
>Anonymous 02/16/13(Sat)22:48 No.23209734
So are superheavies.

>>23209722
If anything I was implying the Russians were making up for dick size.

>>23209755
>mfw the GCV may be over 80 tons
>mfw superheavy APCs

>>23209755
Considering how easy it was to kill the Bitch and the flying carrier, that rule still holds true.

>>23209755
yes but when has obsolete doctrine stopped the russians?

>>23209781
>flying carrier
>easy

Maybe one on one but as we saw the major battle was anything but that.

That and i think they might be making more witch tanks, seeing how it did more to the group than that superheavy.

>>23209817
Most of the damage in that battle was caused by the dreads. The carrier itself went down to two modified harpoons.

>>23209781
>Considering how easy it was to kill the Bitch and the flying carrier, that rule still holds true.


You mean the flying carrier that cost us a carrier and most of it's flight element?

>>23209817
We had shitloads of air support for the Bitch. We had two bombs that missed for these.

>>23209722

>implying the russians didn't have some of the best tanks of the cold war

Yeah, you might be able to wreck face when you're facing out-dated T-72s in an Abrams M1A1, but that was a pretty late development, and a large chunk of the army is gonna still be rocking Pattons and M1s with the 105mm, facing T-64s and T-80s, let alone shitloads of T-72s, T-62s and T-55s or ATGM-carriers the soviets fielded.

>>23209921
Hence why I'm referring to now. Russkies had armored superiority for a long time, but eventually economics caught up to them.

>>23209888

What this guy said.

>>23209898
Refer to
>>23209888

Seriously, if we had even a couple more planes packing those harpoons the battle would have been over in seconds.

>>23209789
>soviet doctrine
>obsolete

Then why did we use basically exactly their doctrine when we invaded Iraq in 2003?

>>23210004
BECAUSE IT'S OBSOLETE! WHY DO YOU NOT LISTEN TO ANON?

>>23210004
One name: G.W. Bush

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>>23210021
>>23210027

>calls something obsolete when it's still the best available
>presents no alternative

>>23209700

This.

>>23210004
it was in reference to their tank development and armored doctrine up to the late 70's

>>23210062
second this "this"

>>23210061
OBSOLETE, ANON! OBSOLETE!

>>23210061
hard to tell how good something was considering the Iraqi army wasn't much of a challenge (the whole Arabs cannot fight modern wars thing)

I'm surprised Iraq or Afganistan didn't become the next 'Nam

==

Hey anon, I gotta go make dinner real quick. Shouldn't be more than ten or fifteen minutes. Just wanted to let you know I'm writing the next update right now!

>>23210104

Then it's still wrong, because their tank development and armored doctrine up to the late 70s was objectively superior to anything NATO had. We didn't really catch up technologically until the Abrams / Challenger / Leo2, and if you think the Bundeswehr's strategy of 'Forward Defense' would have worked against Soviet Deep Battle, you're kidding yourself.

>>23210179
It also doesn't help that the Gulf War happened.

>>23210217
Well thank god for MAD then.

>>23210196

Rog mouse.

Watcha cooking?

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>>23210250

Yeah, pretty much.

NATO's plan in the event of being overrun by soviets was to use tactical nuclear weapons, and the soviets would have responded to that with strategic nuclear strikes.

And then you have a nice game of Global Thermonuclear War. If you want to see how that would play out, watch 'Threads' or 'The Day After', both are up in full on youtube.

Threads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MCbTvoNrAg

The Day After: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2B7sdLPMfc

>>23210350

Davey Crockets...

NATO was desperate enough to assign those weapons to the front.

Cant imagine motale of the grunts assigned to use then was any good.

>>23210445
It was only for a short time iirc. Their average survival time was probably 30 seconds in the case it got hot.

>>23210445
My grandfather used to be on one of those crews. He never fired the nukes. Just the standard HE. He still has a few of the boxes the rounds came in.

>>23210527

His thoughts on what-if he actually had to?

>>23210772
If the war went hot the frontline guys would be dead anyways. Might as well take out as many reds as you can.

You're torn. Half of you wants to give the Russians a chance to surrender, knowing that there can't be more than one or two left alive in either tank. The other half wants to immediately call in a CASEVAC and check out Mister Fister for survivors, though the prospect looks bleak.

You inhale deeply, reaching for your water bottle. A quick swig helps to clear your thoughts, setting things in priority. You have to act as if your people are already dead.

“Anderson, get some of your shooters around on them. Grab that linguist I know you've got and have him off them surrender. They get one chance, if they don't take it then mop 'em up. You'll have the five big guns in support. After that, get CASEVAC on the scene. Send your medic over to Rockfield and Patterson.”

“Solid, sir. Pressing now.”

From the viewports, you can't see him moving in the night, however you know he's doing his thing.

“Sir, I can't get any of the systems up. We're full mechanical.” Nicky says, trying to cycle his targetting computer. “I know it's your call, but we've taken almost 50% casualties. We're combat ineffective, sir.”

“Let me make that call, Nick. Just keep trying your computer.”

He nods, flipping the on/off multiple times.

Micheal, holding an arm limply, pushes his hatch open, helping to vent the acrid propellent smell from your cannon. From outside, you can hear the company linguist, Sergeant Long, shouting into the enemy vehicles. It's foreign what he's saying to you, but you remember him as being one of Norton's dismounts. They hadn't been close for too long, but you can feel his anger radiating outward. Maybe that's just the Russian he's hollering, though.

“Predator actual, sir. Wants to know the hold up.” Nicky says, passing up the radio handset.

“Say again, Chaos element, why are you stalled?”

>Wat say?

>>23210772
I don't know. He never talks about his time in the service, really. I asked him about it once. He said in a practice fire. He forgot to pull the pin out of the HE warhead. Got chewed out for it.

>>23210925
Holy shit. I apologize for my atrocious grammar.

>>23210890
"Chaos actual. We've come up against some new kind of Soviet tank, two of them, and they took us down to 50% combat effectiveness. You're going to want to see these, sir. If there's more of them, then they're going to be bad news for everyone."

>>23210890
"We've hit a snag, sir. Reds had some new steelwheels, and they were shielded. They fucked us up pretty good, sir."

Quick and precise.

"Engaged and killed two witch tanks. Took losses. One tank destroyed, one heavily damaged. Two of my witches might be KIA. Still assessing their status."

>>23210951
This, and a mention of Shields.

>>23210890
Tell about the new tanks. Tell about our casualties.

>>23210890
"Bloc tanks were new models, equipped with Witch shields and new guns of unknown type. We have multiple casualties and have taken significant damage. We are currently assessing our ability to continue the mission."

>>23210972
This, right now we need some of that Bishop Family professionalism.

>>23210890

"Chaos Actual, we got a shootout with some new russian tanks. Be advised, they've got sparkles in them.

They're out of action but we've taken 50% casualities. Repeat, five zero. We offering surrender to any surviving hostiles. Request medivac and reinforcements, sir."

>>23210972
This. We need to be concise and professional.

>>23210890
This one >>23210981

>>23210972
This, although the description of witch-tank could be a bit more succinct. They might mistaken it to just being normal tank witches.

Folks are tired and frayed--need to word our comm as precise as possible.

>>23210981
this

>>23210890
Chaos actual, we encountered new Soviet elemets, some form of upgraded T-80 piloted by witches with new gun as well. Currently Chaos it at 50% Combat effectiveness with one tank KIA and two witches in need of CASEVAC.

>>23210981
I support this.

>>23210890

>>23210981
>>23211012

Combine these two.

>>23211178
mix
>>23211118
with it also

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You take a deep breath.

“Predator actual, Chaos actual. Chaos element has hit a snag. Two bloc vehicles in blocking formation, crewed by sparkly elements. Both M-Kills, one possible C-Kill. I have two sparkly casualties, still checking their status. Chaos is at fifty percent effectiveness, say again, five zero percent combat effectiveness. How copy, over?”

On the other end of the radio, Garrison takes a second to process everything you just told him. He's scribbling madly on his notepad, checking and rechecking your position, and detailing Saudi elements to roll in your spot.

“Chaos actual, Predator actual copies all. Sit tight son, CASEVAC is on it's way. Out.”

You hand the handset back to Nicky just in time to watch Anderson pump another shot into the crew compartment of the lesser damaged tank. On the other side, Meaney lights his own shotgun off.

“Bad news, sir.” Anderson says, pumping a fresh round into his shotgun.

“Yeah. I know. I saw.” You reply, shaking your head.

“And Norton's gone.”

“I figured.”

It hits you harder than you thought it would. Norton had been a part of A company for longer than you had been in charge of it.

The sound of an approaching blackhawk quickly overpowers the other noises. The medics rush outward, freeing both Patterson and Rockfield from their strikers, pushing them on stretchers, and rushing them onto the waiting helicopter. You pop your hatch to a waiting Anderson.

“Guess we get to sit this one out for a while, eh sir?”

“Yeah. Guess so.”

“You gonna be alright, sir?” He sets a hand on your shoulder.

“We'll see. Gotta do other stuff first. How were they?” You ask, watching the helicopter fade into the night.

“Couldn't say, sir. Didn't see much bleeding, but I dunno about internal trauma or broken bones.”

“God damn. Hope it's worth it.”

Anderson shakes his head.

“So do I, sir. So do I.”

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AAAAAAnd that's it for tonight. I know it was a bit short, and my updates were really sporadic, and for that I apologize. Hopefully next week I'll be more squared away and on point.

Same bat time, same bat channel?
I think so.
A week from today, 1500 PST.

See you later, guys!

A reminder this was basically over oil and posturing.

I hope this doesn't become "getting smacked like a dog quest"

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>>23211521
I look forward to next week's episode. As always it was fun.

>>23211521

Thanks for running mouse.i hope the girls are ok. D:

>>23211538

"They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for ones country. But in modern war there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason”.

-Ernest Hemingway

>>23211521

Thanks for another great quest thread, m0use.