Rolled 97

>>23705732

Rolled 39

>>23705732
love you milady glad your back

Rolled 30

>>23705732
lets do this

Rolled 23

>>23705732

>>23705744
1/4, not bad.

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Finally caught up in the archives. FemCOCK, this quest is awesome and you should feel awesome. I want you to make me yours.

Is there an IRC?

>>23705744
Well, at very least she liked the songs. Hopefully we remembered to narrate the important fight choreography and blocking. I don't think Liz and Max would mind answering Selene's little questions.

>>23705858
Yeah, I think so.

>>23705858
#scholomance on Rizon

>>23706149

Danke.

>>23705744
You get her to calm down and pay attention, and as a result she ends up being delighted for the musical bits. She has a few questions throughout - what a lion is, what an uncle is, what they're doing, that kind of thing - but she has one big question on top of that.

"Mama, where dey?" she asks. "Dey tiny kitties in pooter?"

What do you tell her?

>>23706194
a recording of them

>>23706194
"Yes, they are, dear."

>>23706194
They aren't real, its like a musicbox for pictures as well as sound.

>>23706194
"The computer is just telling us what they said."

>>23706194
"Not quite sweetie. It's a recording. The computer makes sounds of things that aren't actually happening."

>>23706194
Good god you gave me diabetes!

"Yes and no. Its a cartoon, a set of drawings that are ment to help people have fun. Later mama is gonna teach you how to see so that you can look at them too.

>>23706249
>>23706292
combine these two so she understands what a recording is

>>23706352
and this but replace latter with tomorrow after class

>>23706194
Dey not reel. Da pooter is acting.

>>23706194
Time to explain what a recording is? Well, the kitties are of in Orlando Florida livings lives of fame and luxury inside their own theme park - a reeeeeally big play room. We're listening to a mostly true recording of their life story...and I just realized why I should not be the one to come up with our answer for Selene. I like messing with kids too much.

I guess just explain that this is a story written by humans and voice acted by humans. And that we stored a copy on Liz's computer. Also tell her we're working on a game to help her learn to use mommies' computers whenshe's ready.

On a side note, we are not giving her unrestricted Internet access until we're sure she's ready (she'll figure out a way to get it first anyway).

>>23706480
Well I don't think we have to worry about her looking for porn, she'll have plenty of that available.

>>23706507
Thinking more like accidentally giving out too much personal info in a chat room. My main point was that she's going to work around any restrictions we place on her.

"It's a recording," you explain to her. "The computer is just telling us the story of what they said."

Selene frowns, thinking about it for a moment, then, finally, says, "Kay."

"So, who's your favorite?" Liz asks her, ruffling her petals.

"Rafiki!" she says, then starts hopping around and gibbering and hooting like the half-mad shaman.

What do you do now?

>>23706194
"Das right gurl, all dem tiny kitties be in da pooter".

>>23706609
Play with Selene some more, snuggle with Liz and smooch her.

Then get some incense, a mp3 player with something like a waterfall on loop or an 'Omm', and get some Self-Enhancement in. We should work on something that'll add another +1 to any Self-Enhancement rolls, so Inner Peace/Tranquility/Meditation or something along those lines.

>>23706609
>"Rafiki!" she says, then starts hopping around and gibbering and hooting like the half-mad shaman.
She has some great taste.

>>23706609
>>23706649
seconding self enchantment

We should get Selene a "Rafiki stick". She'd like it.

>>23706609
gather up material on the spell for Selene and go over it with Liz try to make a game out of it

>>23706609
I think we wanted to punish liz for not being quiet in class?

>>23706609
Laugh, kiss Liz and tickle Selene. We're going to move onto otther projects soon, so savor the family moment.

After that it's time for either meditation or focus building, I'd go with meditation for mental augmentation while it's still cheap-ish and do a general "learning" upgrade.

>>23706609
squee

>>23706680
Well, the price of asking for help was another day of wearing her cock to class. If we're also punishing her for being loud I think we should wait til she's less sore.

>>23706609
>>23706722
this then brain storm with liz how to make the game for Selene

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>>23706677
>Selene with her own little staff
>squeeeeeeee

>>23706609
Aww snap you guys i think we just found our game, ok so we tell her to "look beyond what you see".

>>23706735
I think the idea was to make her wear a gag for a while

but it seems people want to focus on something else for now, so we can always do it later

>>23706679
I like this, but see if Liz's up for it first. She's still recovering her sleep cycle from the deathwatch all mightier she pulled watching us.

>>23706757
yes perfect
>>23706772
its not too late yet

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>>23706757
>"look beyond what you see"

Holy crap that's perfect. Shaman Selene is one with the Fap.

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>>23706798
why did i laugh so hard at this?

>>23706767
A thought, is we're making a highly versatile shape changing collar for Liz would making a gag with a limited number of forms (solid ball, hollow ball, ring, dildogag, larger dildogag) count as intermediate level practice for the real project?

>>23706876
maybe it would also add a simple bit not a full harness one

>>23706677
>>23706754
Definitely seconding the staff idea as a present for Selene.
>>23706757
And seconding this.

>>23706876
>solid ball gag
Don't those obstruct your breathing?
I've had to breathe through my nose only when... doing things that cause you to breathe heavily, and I almost passed out.

>>23706930
I third this plan.
then we self enchant.

Sounds like conferring with Liz about making Selene's spell into a game, possibly using the Lion King as a reference point. Is that accurate?

>>23706970
Probably have to make sure a solid ball gag is actually a bit smaller than their mouth to let them breathe, I would imagine.

>>23707012
Sure, why not.

>>23707012
Yes.

>>23707012

Yup.

>>23707012
yes

>>23707012
yes

>>23707012
yes milady

"Would you like to help me figure out how to turn the spell I've been designing for Selene into a game?" you ask Liz. "I'm hoping to maybe use the Lion King to help teach it, since she seems to like Rafiki so much."

Selene keeps jumping around the bed, hooting and gibbering as she clicks.

"Absolutely, Mistress. I'm not sure about the specifics of your spell, but I'll try to help with the game and teaching part," she says.

Roll Mind to brainstorm the spell into a teachable game. Liz gives you a +1. I'll consider the first four linked 1d100 rolls.

Rolled 1

>>23707114

Rolled 38

>>23707114

Rolled 16

>>23707114

Rolled 13

>>23707114
circle of liiiiifffeee!!!!!

>>23707129
...and then Fap exploded and Selene never learned to see.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFuck

Rolled 62

>>23707114

>>23707129
Well, fuck.

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>>23707129
>>23707132
>>23707136
>>23707139
Bahahahaa.

Let the childhood trauma commence!

>>23707129
>>23707132
>>23707136
>>23707139
Is this our first ever critical failure?

>>23707171
no but it is the first since the new system.

>>23707171
Not by a long shot.

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>>23707129

>>23707129

Critical failure, oh god.

>>23707129

It seems that the dicegods' respect for Selene extend only to Soul.

>>23707171
Nope, had one learning IIRC.

>>23706970
We could always build in safeguards to prevent any shapechanging toys we make (and Liz's collar) from causing outright physical harm or discomfort beyond a certain threshold.

>>23707114
Whelp, someone's still running around singing acuna matata...

>>23707129
Roll with the failure Max. Laugh it off, tell Liz not to worry and chase after Selene if necessary.

>>23707145
You know, at some point we really should determine whether Fap can "see." I've always thought he worked by passively detecting all air motion in a given area.

>>23707304
We gave him a big eye, so he can.

>>23707304
He has a giant eye, he can see
that was the point of making him

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>>23707129

>>23707304
>>23707329
basically this it is magic.

>>23707129
>Selene is dead. What do you do now?

>>23707129
Well, I'm going to have to think about this one.

>>23707509

> You both forget that you ever finished the spell. Roll Mind to remember everything else.

> Another crit fail.

>>23707171
Its our first Selene failure.

>>23707509
Easy: We accidentally teach her how to blind people. We must spend the next year of her life teaching her to not do it.

>>23707509
>Selene gets the spell mostly right, but makes the same mistake Max did on her first try. Facefull of dad.
>She fucks it up so bad she turns into one of those "blind pride" people and never wants to see.
>Liz and Max come up with the worst game ever and think it's a good idea. Something involving electric shocks.

Anyone else got guesses?

>>23707509
Fuck. I do not like the sound of that.

We probably don't get any teaching in on this section, maybe Selene runs off to Dad because we're not making sense or she does manage to see stuff but she gets Breakfast's sensory suite at the wrong time.

>>23707556
I can't see the third one happening under any circumstances.

>>23707509
Selene refuses to learn, and we have to wait until she's significantly more mature to have any chance at success. Every time we bring it up, she starts playing as Rifiki again.

>>23707554
>>23707588
This wasn't a roll to teach her, though, it was a roll to think of a game.
It's hard to get a critical failure on something mostly y/n like that.
I can't think of anything, at least.

>>23707602
Well, the simple one: We come up with a shit game but think it's good.

>>23707602
Someone in IRC said that this could be a window into Liz's past.

She says something like "Oooh I know! We can play 'beat the stupid child'! My parents used to play it with me all the time. Whenever I got something wrong they would hit me with the broom."

>>23707641
There's no way in hell Max would think that's a good idea.

>>23707641
"I know a game, you wait until Selene's asleep, get really drunk, stumble into her room and..."

and then Liz burst into tears and assumed the fetal position.

>>23707641
Not on irc, but I was kind of expecting something along the lines of Liz blows failure totally out of proportion and Max has a serious talk (with words, not punishment) with her. That said, I have no doubt that whichever way it goes FemCOCK will surprise us.

>>23707641
"smack you in the head make you wish you were dead, cause we will smack you in the head. when we play, smack me in the head , we will make you wish you were dead when we play smack me smack me in the head."

>>23707712
no Waite thats the game for not eating all your vegetables

>>23707129
...well then.

>>23707602
>It's hard to get a critical failure on something mostly y/n like that.

If that's true, then it probably shouldn't have been a roll in the first place.

>>23707129
"Well, first of all, we should have some consequence for failure," says Liz. "That's how my parents always pushed me to succeed, and it worked really well. Spanking for fucking up, that kind of thing."

What's your reaction?

>>23707898
"...what? No, we need positive encouragement- wait, what? Your parents did what?" Appalled is the name of the emotion, I believe.

Really it should be a brainstorming session instead of a roll. In my own opinion. We could play I spy with using fap or one of us and have her focus to see what we look at. Later start singling out certain things.

>>23707509
Liz discovers the spell is really still too complicated to teach Selene, even as a game, and we have to refine it further before we can try to make a game of it again.

>>23707898
tackle hug

>>23707898
"...Liz, that's messed up."

>>23707898
"Uh, whoah. Liz, hon, that's kind of...abusive. I don't mean to be judgmental here, but that's really messed up."

>>23707898
I literally have no idea how to deal with this.

>>23707898
"..."
"nooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

>>23707898

"Maybe...but I don't think that's going to work that well on her. That kind of upbringing makes subs, and I don't want Selene to be a sub. No offense, honey."

Selene will be the dom of the three dryads.

>>23707898
"Uh...That, uh...Liz, I don't think spanking an infant is going to make it do anything other than cry. That's actually a bit messed up."

And now we know why Liz is such a submissive slut. Great. Greaaaaaaaat. She's been abused into this attitude, and we've been exploiting it. Fucking faaaaantastic.

>>23707898

Not so much. Positive reinforcement gives much, much better results than punishment. No 'spanking for fucking up,' rewards for succeeding & exceeding expectations

>>23707898
No...
>>23707940
then this

I want it to be fun easy its something shell need to do to see, so only good memories of learning it

>>23707898
A simple way will do. It also explains so much. Maybe the incest part too.

>>23707898
>>23707921
what he said

>>23707898
Fuck all I can think of is point out that since it's beyond her abilities, it would be unreasonable to expect her to succeed at this point so punishment would be kind of pointless.

At any rate, these suggestions
>>23707942
>>23707950
>>23707921
are not the right way to go. Telling someone they were raised poorly just makes them defensive.

>>23707997
true that
also after we say no we must hug her.

>>23707898
I think >>23707921 works as an opening gambit. After that tell Liz she isn't in trouble for suggesting that, but that we need to have a talk while Selene goes to see grandpa.

>>23707898
Pull Liz into a hug.

"... Liz. I think this explains some things. When I 'punish' you, it's not to hurt you or make you afraid of messing up, it's because we both enjoy the punishments I dole out to you. I want you and Selene to succeed and put effort into everything you do, but I want it to be because you want to do it, and because you're rewarded for doing well, not because you're afraid.

Positive reinforcement. She's only about a month old, spanking her for not instantly getting an advanced Enchantment Sensory spell just seems wrong. I'd spank you if I was teaching you, but that's because I know you like being spanked."

>>23707898
"And now you get off to someone telling you how bad you are while reaming your ass. That really worked wonders on you, Liz."

>>23708056
Sounds good to me. Also, try not to be confrontational, of course. Just... what the what?

>>23708038
yea don't judge but make sure that liz knows that we will not hit Selene .

>>23708109
Unless she goes full murderhobo or thatguy/(dyrad?)

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>>23707898
>What's your reaction?
Pic related, just swap "argument" for the right word in this situation.

>>23708038
Well, there's a difference between being blindsided with a "Wh-whoa, what." and telling her that her parents were shitty parents. If someone suggested lecturing her on why she's wrong, I'd be adamantly against it, but Max just calmly rolling with a suckerpunch like that is going to be just as problematic. We don't want to accidentally come of as uncaring.

She might be mentioning stuff like that in part because of a subconscious need to let it out on someone. She might actually be wanting sympathy without the lecturing. A lot of the people I've met with abuse problems at like that. They don't want to soliloquies and bleeding hearts, they just want people to acknowledge that it happened. I'm making some heavy extrapolations on one line of dialogue, but it won't hurt to recognize the implications of what she said.

>>23708109
>we will not hit Selene
I think you're rather missing the point. Discipline is one thing, it's not necessarily wrong although I know some people have their own cultural opinions. But punishing someone because they're UNABLE to do something is utterly unproductive and is abusive.

>>23708142
Wow, I made some awful typos in that post. I should proofread harder.

>>23708043
I think we carefully hug her first, right after a series of emotions (starting with shock, transitioning to horror and ending with sorrowful understanding) play out across our face. Then we say no, tell her we don't agree that kind of child raising is particularly healthy for the child or more effective in teaching than those that do not rely on corporal punishment. We aren't going to push but we should also let her know that we're here to listen and not to judge if she ever wants to talk about it.

>>23707898
brilliant idea I love it

Great, now I'm feeling like a piece of shit for encouraging training Liz like this. This feels like abuse now, not a kinky relationship.

>>23708220
Not now, Snapple. The adults are planning.

>>23708236
Seconded.

>>23708232
>She enjoys us spanking her because it reminds her of her dad.

>>23708285
and our huge cock

>>23708232
What, you figured she liked being physically slapped due to having no baggage whatsoever?

>>23708236
Funny that you instantly blame any post you don't like on me.

I haven't even replied to Fem's latest post because I have no idea how to respond to that.

>>23707898
"I'm really not comfortable with that for just not succeeding. Running around breaking things, maaayyybbeeee. But only if she actually does something we never want her to do again. It's just kind of mean to spank her for not catching on to it."

>>23708285

That's pretty hot. Now we just need to waken her desires deep inside her and we're ready for that mass incestuous orgy, and having her break her own mom for Max.

>>23708297
If that's true, we need to call her on her double standards while riding Dimitri's cock.

>>23708312
Well to be fair, 99% of your posts are unliked by everyone. It's a pretty safe assumption.

>>23708303
Being a sub/dom doesn't need you to have emotional baggage. She likes us spanking her during sex, that's hardly an odd thing that is only correlated to having emotional issues.

What we have with Liz is a rather kinky, but ultimately loving, caring, and healthy relationship where we both love each other. We're not abusing her, she may have been abused, and we'll help her work through that, but we're not hurting her.

>>23708312
And we move ever closer to the creation of the "Can't tell if Snapple" meme...

>>23708303
I can't say I'm completely surprised, to be honest. It still made this suddenly uncomfortable, though. I'm a mild sadist and D/s entertains me greatly, but I don't like thinking that I might be exploiting some kind of deep-seated trauma.

Also, I'm not trying to start an argument, but that's a rather large sweeping generalization you just made, all subs being victims of physical abuse. It's a fairly logical conclusion to say that physical abuse could possibly cause people to become receptive to that kind of thing, but you're mixing up the cause and effect, here.

>>23708354
>Our relationship is healthy
>therefore its deviation from normal relationships must be based on absolutely nothing at all
The fact that we're not abusing her doesn't lessen the fact that her previous abuse shouldn't be surprising.

>>23708372
>you're mixing up the cause and effect, here.
You mean she was abused as a child because she's a sub now?
Well, I guess if you want to get meta I guess that's true since I'm all but certain FemCOCK came up with the subbiness before the abuse, but getting that meta drains the fun out of things.

>>23708419
If you really want to go meta femcock is probable just some neck beard. Who invented the characters Mylady and pet to add credibility to this quest.

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>>23708365

here you go

>>23708393
Being into BDSM in no way necessitates that you have emotional baggage or issues.

There is no evidence to suggest that there is any higher level of childhood abuse for people into BDSM than those who aren't into it.

Her being abused comes as just as much of a surprise as it would have been if she wasn't a sub.

>>23708393
It's not a matter of the turn of events being surprising, it about it being unsettling. Humans are not purely logical beings, and it's not very easy for normal people (especially hormonal teenagers) to separate their emotions from their logic. Even if we know for a fact we had nothing to do with her abuse, it's still bothersome to think that we stuck our finger in the metaphorical tar baby. For me, at least.

>>23708419
No, I meant that you claimed that subs became that way due to physical abuse. The way you worded it made it sound like an absolute correlation, rather than a contributing factor. Some people who are abused may become subs, but that doesn't make all subs abuse victims. Basically, your wording said that all rectangles are squares, rather than all squares are rectangles, if you understand what I mean.

"I..." you start, struggling for words. "What? Your parents did what?" You go through a series of emotions, not really hiding any of them. Shock, outrage, horror, ending with sadness and sympathy. "I'm not going to hit my little girl, Elizabeth."

"Why?" she asks, apparently confused. "I turned out just fine. My brother too. That was how all of us were disciplined - a swat when we failed at something, more when we were actually troublesome. I mean, as long as you're doing it because you love them and want them to be better, where's the issue?"

What do you say to that?

>>23708393
>previous abuse shouldn't be surprising.
To Max it should. I very much doubt she ever considered it. That said now that Liz has let it slip I don't think that it should take too long for Max to draw the logical conclusions and try to be sensitive and supportive of Liz. However, I feel much less ok with her going home alone for break. At minimum we should see if we cant get her a permanently active durability tattoo enchantmentor two.

>>23708494
Thanks for contributing to a decline in post quality, asshole.

>>23708494
oh god my sides
why does this seem so funny?

>>23708510
Tell her it's not productive when the kid is actually trying.
See
>>23708038

>>23708312
It was a joke, calling the person an idiot.

Yes, your name is synonymous with idiocy and you have only yourself to blame.

>>23708510
"It certainly is A method of teaching, but I dont think it is the best one. Positive reinforcement has been time and again proven to be much more effective. The means does not always justify the end."

>>23708510
"Just failing at something is no good reason to hit a kid, even if you do think spanking is acceptable for actually stopping bad behavior."

>>23708510
I have no idea what Max should say.

But you should get an award for not only making a crit fail for that 1, but making a damn good one. Bravo.

>>23708510
Hold her by the shoulders, giving her a sad/concerned look "Liz, that's abuse. I don't just mean legally or emotionally either. Practically every child psychologist in the field agrees that's abuse. Both physically and mentally."

Hug her, "Liz, I love you."

>>23708510
This is a GAME, Liz. GAMES are FUN. Getting smacked for failing at a game is NOT FUN.

>>23708372
I agree that being a sub dose not follow from physical abuse in all cases but i may have shaped or enhanced that tendincy in her. But unless we go meta her subyness did not cause the abuse.
We can suspect a cause in this case and not in all cases.
I think we have to talk to her about her past. Make sure she really dose love what we do before we do anything more than we have. At least in the D/s area but i suspect she genuinely likes it.

>>23708558
I dont think Max knows enough about child psychology any of that, but it doesnt take an expert in the field to know that thats kinda fucked up.

>>23708551
>Positive reinforcement has been time and again proven to be much more effective.
Seems to me Max probably doesn't know this.

>>23708558
And that's way off. Max is a sixteen year old who's more or less isolated from sources of childcare education, not some neckbeard on the internet.

>>23708510
"Making someone scared of failure doesn't make them any more successful, Liz. All it's going to do is make Selene resent me when she's old enough to rationalize what I did."

If she continues to be obstinate and push the idea, ask her what would happen to her if she refused to break up with Max over the break.

>>23708510
hug her

"well thats for Fun time, not correcting kids."

"I... just, you... I, its too easy its, most of the time she will just learn not to get hit, not to love learning, or why something is troublesome"

"I want her to have fun and enjoy this Its something she will use for the rest of her life, I don't want her thinking about getting hit every day."

>>23708576
this too

>>23708510
"Liz, she's a month old, I'm not going to hurt her because she doesn't instantly grasp a complicated spell.

If I punish her it's going to be because she did something mean or wrong, not because she failed.

I do love her, I do want her to be better, but I want that to happen because she wants to do it, because she's rewarded when she does something difficult, not because I smack her when she screws up."

Give Liz a hug, right now.

"Sweetheart, I really don't like the idea of anyone ever hitting you or hurting you. It makes me angry because I love you and I want to protect you. Do you want to talk about it?"

Also, "According to science you're abusive!" seems like a decidedly poor way to go about this.

>>23708510
Well, this seems like a relevant time to ask. Did Max have any friends or classmates before coming to the scholomance that she knew were victims of abuse at home?

>>23708510
"Because Unlike you, Selene is my daughter. The inherent authority in a parental position makes it unethical in my opinion. If you ever want to stop our relationship you can always just up and leave. But where can Selene go if she doesn't want to be hit by me?"

>>23708644
Nothing like telling someone that people smarter than them say that their life is wrong. Boy, that's a great way to appeal to their sympathy.

You can't talk to someone in real life like you would debating on an image board.

>>23708590
Her mom's a nurse. She could know this sort of thing.

>>23708668
tumblr please leave.

>>23708628
this is pretty good

>>23708510
Let her know we think spanking for bad behavior is one thing. But if they cant do something that is no reason to hit them. We can withhold rewards and show disappointment but hitting them for failing is something we wont do.

>>23708576
>>23708554
>>23708551
these posters or on track i dont know if max would know that scientific proof but her mom is a nurse.

>>23708668
holy fuck no

>>23708628
Except it's pretty clear she doesn't feel the need to have some sort of outpouring of feelings, she just does not see the issue.

>>23708628
I like this, seconding it.

>>23708510
"Liz, I said no. I will not hit my daughter because she tried her hardest and came up short. That is forbidden as far as I'm concerned, and if you ever spank her or do anything else like that because she tried and failed, I'm not even going to bother punishing you. Seriously."

>>23708668
Clearly the best way to respond to someone rationalizing abuse is by being a pompous asshole.

Clearly.

>>23708668
That is way too eloquent for Max and it makes her sound like a cunt.

>>23708711
>lectuing on good parenting
>"I said no"
Let's bust out the hypocrisy, eh?

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>>23708510
positive reinforcement is superior to punishment in altering behavior

>>23708729
We can discuss it later, but we need to tell her right now, at this instant, that she isn't allowed to do that. There's no telling how long it's going to take her to understand, and if we don't tell her not to do it, she might do it in the meantime and hurt Selene. She can follow the order now, and get the explanation later, when she's willing to listen.

Also, I realized something.


Back a while ago, you mentioned that should we die, we are able to play any of the characters we have unlocked sheets for. And we have unlocked sheets for Gav.

Does that mean, on death, we could start playing as Gav?

"Liz, I'm not going to hit her just because she's having a hard time doing something," you say, real concern in your voice. "That won't make her excited to learn, it will just make her afraid of failure and resent me. I love her and I want her to be better, but I want to encourage her to feel the same way, not hurt her when she fails."

You pause for a moment, gathering your words, then continue. "Sweetie, I really don't like the idea of someone hitting or hurting you. Ever. It makes me upset because I love you and want to protect you - like like how I love and want to protect Selene. Do you want to talk about it?"

Roll Soul to not leave Liz confused or offended. I'll consider the first four linked 1d100 rolls.

>>23708762
>fucking bitches all day
>breathing acid fire and flying
>motherfucking GAVISCON
GavisQuest is best quest.

>>23708762
10/10 BEST OPTION

Rolled 37

>>23708776

Rolled 74

>>23708776
nat1

Rolled 29

>>23708776
Great.

Rolled 82

>>23708776
Here we go!

Rolled 17

>>23708776

Rolled 98

>>23708776
Time for more nat 1's

>>23708784
>>23708788
2 successes, we dr phil now.

>>>23708576
>>23708628
these two look good
the last line of this needs some work though given our fun times I think we should cut it.

>>23708784
>>23708788
Two successes. Neither confused, nor offended.
(Personally, I would have had one success be confused, a failure be offended, and a crit failure be grievously offended, but this works out best)

>>23708784
>>23708788
2/4

Not bad.

>>23708784
>>23708788

I am surprisingly glad we crit failed earlier.

With soul rolls being this important we should look into self augmenting charisma and persuasion.

I have a sudden vision of us being disturbed an no longer willing to "play" with Liz the same way anymore. Then switching to Liz and trying to convince our Mistress to spank us again.

>>23708835
Crit fails are always interesting in this quest.

>>23708844
I'm loathe to agree with snapple, but some sort of soul aug might be a wise idea.

>>23708844
empathy, too

>>23708835
Sometimes, in life, you need a critical failure in order to overcome its source.

>>23708835
I'm rather happy Fem takes the "strange things happen" route with critfails, rather than "Ohhhh everything failed even haaaaarderrrrrr". Makes it fun.

>>23708858
Well what we do with Liz is pretty different from that.

We need to have a talk about it with her, but when we spank her or 'punish" her she can always say 'Primrose', she can always talk about it with us, we never do it to hurt her just to add to the experience. And we make sure to cuddle afterwards.

>>23708784
>>23708788
She looks almost startled at what you had to say. "I..." she starts then goes silent. "But... No. Are you saying that... Do you mean that you think my parents were abusive?"

She looks stunned, like someone just slapped her across the face. Selene stops jumping and just sort of listens in silence, probably wondering what's going on.

What do you do?

>>23708917
"I have no right to judge your parents. I'm saying that's not how I want to raise my children."

>>23708917
Let's just say I don't really want that to be a part of the way I bring up any children I am looking after.

Ever.

>>23708932
/tg/ - Home Life and Parenting
I also second this response.

>>23708887
me to
>>23708844
>>23708872
this is a good plan but we asked Fem about it a while ago and she said that it is a secret conjuration technique like living alchemy or self enchantment. We can probably make some of our tattoos into magic items for it though.

>>23708932
this seems like a really good idea right now

>>23708932
This sounds good. Its pretty much what I was gonna say in as many words.

>>23708917
"No, I'm just saying that's not how I want to raise Selene. Not when she's this young, at least."

>>23708932
third

>>23708962
I thought that was about hiding our demon aura.

>>23708932
Something more or less like this is probably the best way to respond.

>>23708932
We might want to change 'my children' to 'our children' so that she feels we aren't pushing her away for what she just said.

>>23708917
"I am saying I love you "
(hug her)
"What you just said doesn't sit well with me, and I not going to do that to Selene"

>>23708989
No. Alchemy is used to augment us physically, enchantment to modify us mentally and conjuration to augment our soul. No idea what sorcery can augment.

>>23709005
Well we're not going to raise our kids with other people (were that ever to happen) that way either. So it's fine as it stands

>>23709005
Shut up snapple

>>23708917
Pick up Selene and put her between us and Liz for a group hug.

"Liz, this is what I want for us, love and care.

I don't ever want Selene to be afraid of us or scared that we'll ever hurt her because she messed up or wasn't good enough.

I don't want to raise our children like they did. I don't doubt that they loved you, and that they thought they were doing the right thing. But they hurt you Liz, I don't know the whole story, but that just doesn't sit right with me."

>>23709023
>No idea what sorcery can augment.
It's for making our eyes shoot punches from the punch dimension and shit like that.

>>23709045
...support?

>>23709005
I agree with you on this one. Liz is Selene's other Mommy.

>>23709045
We could combine that with a double dose of alchemy to shoot bullets from our eyes.

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>>23709005
HOLY SHIT SNAPPLE IS MAKING SENSE! EVERYBODY OUT OF THE UNIVERSE!

>>23709023
We were thinking about getting a forcefield self augment with sorcery. Even asked Carl if it would be a good idea and he said yes.

But then someone (I think Dad) said it would decrease Max's sense of touch and nobody has wanted to do anything with it since.

>>23709005
Your right, Liz is Selene's mommy too. We can't forget that.

>>23709044
Hey, I know you're really trying to make some moving dialogue, but I have to tell you that it's just too long. You're using too many words to say too few things. You've got the right meaning, but your execution is a bit cheesy and melodramatic.

>>23709005
Snapple, you have my support.

WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TO?!

>>23709044
I like this one.

>>23709005
I'm agreeing with Snapple on this one.

"No, Liz. I'm just saying | disagree with their method, that's all. YOu did come out fine, after all, so I can't say they were *wrong*, but I just prefer another way."

>>23708989
hiding our aura is a form of mind shield which is enchantment.

>>23709077
Could we do a general heighten senses aug to even out the sense of touch while boosting everthing else?

>>23709091
>>23709076
>>23709041
Snapple is so dum XD lol

>>23709005
Snapple is right

>>23709074
not fire beams plebe

>>23709077
also permanent flight we be supergirl now
and tactical telekinesis

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>>23709074

"You're the only one who can judge your parents, not me," you say carefully. "What I am saying, though, is that I do not want to raise our children that way. Especially not when they're this little."

"But..." says Liz, some kind of shock or panic still in her eyes. "But do you think that they were?"

"I don't know. I do know that I don't want our girls to ever be afraid of us, though, and that what your parents did doesn't sit right with me," you say, putting a hand on her arm. She grabs it and holds on tight.

"Should... Should I talk to my parents about this or something?" she asks you. She seems really confused right now.

What do you tell her?

>>23709109
We could, I guess. We still don't know what the downsides of boosting forcefield instead of durability are.

I have a feeling that it wouldn't be as good of protection since durability extends to our internals and makes it harder for people to do fiddlywinks on us with alchemy.

If I was to try and explain better, forcefield is like adding a shell. If something can get through it then the insides aren't as protected. With durability the protection is more thorough.

I'd still like the forcefield, but maybe after we have a few more augs into regular +durability.

>>23709192

Squeeze her hand firmly. "If you ever do, I'll be right by you every step of the way."

>>23709192
It's a stressful time. I think you should talk to them, but wait until the holidays, when you'll have time to think about what you want to say and how to say it.

It's not worth getting into a giant argument about, it's in the past.

>>23709192
"That's up to you, but you should wait until you can talk to them in person."

>>23709192
"Eventually? You should take some time to at least come to terms with it, and not go into it angry or upset."

>>23709192
Deer in headlights. I literally cannot think of any good, straight answer to this.
Her parents are going to hate the everliving shit out of us, aren't they? We turned their daughter into a sexually depraved lesbian, almost impregnated her within minutes of meeting her, and then turned her against them, personally.

>>23709192
Pull her into a hug. Preferably with Selene. Liz could use it right now.

"You probably should, especially given how much this is worrying you, but it has to be your decision, and I'll be there for you no matter what you choose to do.

But if you do want to talk to them don't do it right now, give yourself a chance to think about what you want to say, how you feel, and to process and come to terms with this, you just had a rather big shock and we don't want to rush this."

>>23709221
this

>>23709255
Wait until they find out she's planning on getting a tattoo for us.

>>23709192
There's probably not much good that will come of it at this point. It's in the past now. Right?

>>23709192
"Liz, I want to be clear. I cannot make your opinions or decisions for you. It's not my place to judge.
But if I were in your position, yes. I would think it was abuse. And I would want to talk to them about it eventually.

I love you dearly, Liz. And no matter what you decide, I'll support you."

>>23709192
Give her a hug.
"Liz, I think just by the fact you didn't see anything wrong with it means you weren't abused. You love your parents, can disagree with them and make your own decisions, and while you're certainly driven to suceed, failing doesn't cause you to flinch or close up. They raised you their own way, and we'll raise Selene our own way."

>>23709329
>I think just by the fact you didn't see anything wrong with it means you weren't abused
Let's not give her stupid and entirely inaccurate advice.

>>23709221
add "I am here for you"

>>23709221
>>23709225
>>23709229
>>23709232
>>23709266
Seconding these.

>>23709345
agreed.

>>23709329
>I think just by the fact you didn't see anything wrong with it means you weren't abused
That's REALLY dangerously inaccurate. The vast majority of victims have no idea that it's abnormal to be abused until they face society with it.

>>23709329
What terrible advice.

Pull Selene and Liz into a group hug and tell Liz it's up to her. She needs to wait and process what she's thinking before she can act.

>>23709329
What? No. Just because you don't see anything wrong with it or see it as normal doesn't mean it isn't abuse.

I agree that Liz isn't a complete basketcase, but that doesn't mean that what they did wasn't abusive.

>>23709192
"I think talking to them should wait until you've had more time to think and aren't in shock, Liz. you know my mom's a nurse right? If, once you've had a chance to think about this, if you want to talk to someone who has a lot more experience with this sort of thing I'm sure mom could help set something up. I don't want to pressure you, if you think that's a bad idea then forget about it, but the offer stands."

>>23709077
I dont remember asking Carl. Dad was the one who pointed out the possible problem. If someone can find the reference to Carl saying cool I will lake the question off the to do list and move the force fields from the maybe to the yes column on the wiki.
>>23709109 yes perception would do that but it would make perception less useful for things like reading by feeling the ink on a page and feeling air flow to navigate in the dark or doge.

>>23709329
Okay, there's a difference between being tactful and outright lying to gain sympathy. No.

>>23709401
Huh, I thought perception was a mental aug whereas heightened senses would be physical. Oh well.

>>23709329
I was going too write a full response to this but no. Just don't do this.

>>23709401
Thread XXXVI
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/23363513/#p23366629
>"Do you have any suggestions for protecting against teleportation and such?"

>"Just treat your own chi flow like a ward and build it up in the right direction, same as any other augmentation."

>"Were you the guy who punched someone into a cat once?"

>"Yes."

>"Can I self-enchant to produce a force field around myself? After the first few levels, it gets really hard to make my skin tougher."

>"Absolutely. It's always a good idea to layer multiple stacking effects rather than just building up a single one."

>Do you talk about anything else? If not, what now?

>>23709192
Hug her tell her we love her. That is her choice. When she is ready. We will be with her the whole way. We should also have this conversation in person.

>>23709361
I agree with this based on personal experience. I didn't realize until I was relating a tale from childhood and realized how fucked up it sounded.

You pull her and Selene both into a big hug. Selene, for her part, puts her little arms around both of you as best she can too. "Maybe after you've had more time to sit down and think it through," you say. "You're still in shock because you've never really thought about it before. I'll be right by your side, though, whatever you choose."

"Thank you," she murmurs into the hug. "I love you, Mistress."

What do you do now?

>>23709475
Spank our child.

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>>23709466
>Snapple being right about things.

wat

>>23709483
Spank our monkey.

>>23709475
Ass rape everyone.

No, actually, just pick Selene up and start playing with her. Make bubbly noises and pretend she's an aeroplane.

>>23709475
Let's get to work on that dang old game for Selene. We'll show Liz our methods work just as well.

Barring that, I dunno. Are we particularly close to filling out another point of a magic field? Might study.

>>23709475
Cuddle (just cuddle) with Liz. Let Selene join in with hugs if she wants.

>>23709483
No.

>>23709475
Play with Selene and Liz some more, Liz probably doesn't want to be left alone right now.

>>23709475
"I love you too, Liz. More than anything."

>>23709475
"I love you too."

Get some more cuddles in for a bit, then leave Liz with Selene so they have some time together and Liz can process things, and get some self-enhancement time in. Remember Incense and a MP3 player with an 'Omm'.

I want to get a +1 to something that'll make Self-Enhancement easier, like Inner Calm/Meditation or something like that.

>>23709548
Seconding

>>23709466
that's in favor of layered defenses not necessarily for getting a permanent force field

>>23709548
seconded

>>23709548
This is a good idea, we've been putting it off.

>>23709475
Cuddle and re-affirm our love for our girls. Just cuddle though, right now is not sexy times.

"Liz, do you enjoy being spanked because your parents did that to you too? Do you actually longs for your father's embrace? It's ok Liz, I do too, there's no shame in that."

>>23709548
I really think that meditation could be misinterpreted by Liz as us leaving her alone right now. Let's do something that doesn't look like we're mentally checking out, like making one of our many proposed anti-drain foci, instead.

>>23709607
I thought you were serious at first. Man, you almost set me off there, for a second. Don't screw with me like that.

>>23709607
nope.jpg

>>23709607
Not the time. Really, really, not the time for that discussion.

>>23709616
I think if we give her plenty of snuggles first, leave her with Selene and tell her that we're going to be meditating we'll be okay, but I can understand your point.

I've already voted, don't count this as a vote.

>>23709607
and then we roll soul to convince her to allow us to fuck dad

>>23709475
I love you to Slut

>>23709607
Hahahahaha, that's a good one. Fuck no.

>>23709658
>too

>>23709644

Ah, but there will be a time for that, hm~

Something that definetly should be addressed, so we can put some more fetish in this, and broaden her mind. After all, we are looking forward to Liz brekaing her own mom to join Max's harem, aren't we?

>>23709558
Forcefields are layered defenses.

Sure, Carl didn't explicitly say "Get forcefields", but he also doesn't really seem to explicitly tell people to do much of anything.

He seems to be more of a dispense wisdom and let the students do as they will kind of guy.

When we asked him about martial arts he pointed us to master Alexander. He seemed less excited about giving us that information that he did about the forcefields, yet we still did it.

Sometimes we need to make actions without 100% affirmation of success from npcs because overcoming the challenges is what makes it fun.

>>23709607
I have been a strong supporter of incest throughout this quest, but seriously, now? You want to say this now?

>>23709676
I agree with Snapple on this one. Carl was totally happy to give us that advice so I doubt there is notable downside I say we need mental augs first though.

>>23709681

I will be honest here, I had not seen >>23709475 yet and thought I was replying to >>23709192.

>>23709676
Snapple, why can't you be this rational all the time? You're being awesome right now.

>>23709622
>inb4 FemCOCK decides to take it as a serious suggestion

>>23709739
The notable downside is duller sense of touch. Some anon said though that we could just augment our senses to make up for it and get a slight boost to our others.

It's a shame, really. If it wasn't for the sex in this quest there would be absolutely no reason to not get forcefields.

>>23709767
>implying he isn't
really? his stupid ideas are always too stupid to have originated from some one genuinely stupid

>>23709797
Shouldn't our perception buff apply to tactile perception as well, and counteract the forcefield's detriment to it?
There's no reason that perception should apply to sight and sound, only.

>>23709797
>if it wasn't for the sex
>implying it's only the sex
loss of touch is loss of hugs from selene

>>23709767
because then it wouldn't be funny.

>>23709797
>there's no reason a diminished sense of touch is bad besides sex
Think harder.

>>23709475
we should work on making our tats into foci until Liz goes to bed so she feels more supported.

So what do you guys actually do?

>>23709858
Let's clear Liz's mind with a workout. Teach her some more Tai Chi or boxing.

>>23709858
read the thread you fuckface.

>>23709858
Spend some time with Liz and Selene, then leave Liz to look after Selene when we think she's calmed down. Then we can go meditate on boosting our Focus self-aug so we can increase our meditation dice pool for future augs.

>>23709607
lets not
>>23709858
"I love you too, and so does Selene right little girl? "
then tussle her pelts and smell the nice lilac sent

>>23709858
The general consensus above seems to be on spending time with Liz and Selene, followed by meditation.

>>23709858
I think it's >>23709548

Acquire cuddles with our two favorite girls, then get some meditation in.