>"Now, get this out of my classroom before it leaves residue or attracts pests."
Oh cool...

We ain't taking that shit back to the tower. Ask Liz if she knows what he meant by 'pests'.

>>24323006
Go home and talk to the ghost dryad.

>>24323040
And text dad if she doesn't.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Scholomance

The previous thread is now archived. Remember to vote it and the previous threads up.

>>24323006
About as good as we could expect.

Given that he mentioned residue and pests we shouldn't take it back with us.

Leave the classroom, say hi to Sam and Hera, tell them who we bound and see if they want to say anything to her as we plan on saying 'hi' anyways.

>>24323006
Don't take it back with us. Talk to it now and then ask Liz to banish it.

>>24323040
You know, like ants and flies that love rotting vegetation.

>>24323006
Find somewhere private to talk to the Dryad's ghost, we did promise.

>>24323110
Or spirit things that feed on improperly bound ghosts.

>>24323006
Join Liz and Sam, try and communicate with the Dryad. Ask her name first, if we ask anything.

>>24323067
this they may want to talk to her and she them.

>>24323006
Hmm, probably should try talking to our summoned spirit if we know enough enchantment to get it done.

Also, since I just got here and am curious, did we have enough class time to make a ghost summoning drain focus before making the first ghost catching attempt?

>>24323006
Find a spot with Hera and Sam, and have a chat.

>>24323221
Probably if we had only done a quick job of carving the thing.

>>24323221
Oh, also since I skipped all the poster chatter while catching up, we aren't planning to cram ghost dryad's spirit into ice dryad or anything like that, right? Just no sure why we picked her.

>>24323263
to talk to her and she is a plant spirit so an easy target.

>>24323123
Could be, Im just saying. We could always have dad teleport out to look at it.

>>24323284
Gotcha, cool beans.

>>24323263
We're not going to do anything to her, we mostly picked her out of sympathy.

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I just realized. We didn't bind her, only summoned her. She is in no way attached to the radish and doesn't have to leave when it rots.

We may have just accidentally created a ghost babysitter/ghost mom.

>>24323291
I for one don't care right now. I want to send her back once we finish talking with her. We may promise to let her meat her daughters next Halloween when they are older.

With a little luck she will approve of us raising and protecting her children. If not she may want us to send number 3 to her grandmother.

>>24323346
I'd rather just let her go back to the other side.

>>24323006
Since the mind drill rebuilds memories from broken pieces couldn't we technically use it on her?

>>24323374
And if she doesn't want to go?

>>24323284
Hmm, just thinking out loud here. What would happen if we bound her into a wood shell, used enchantment to build her a relatively robust mind and ran the mind drill on her to regen her memory (maybe repress those last few minutes though). I know resurrection is supposed to be very difficult and a long, laborious process, but this might be a decent long term project if we want to plan contingencies in case of Max's death.

>>24323346
we Liz and Sam can banish her back to her afterlife after we talk if all goes well she will let us do it willingly.

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>>24323389
>permanent ghost dryad added to harem

>>24323402
Then fuck her, she's getting banished.

>>24323402
Oh god damn, we're going to have a problem, then. I don't think she'll want to stay, but that would be a problem.

>>24323389
Maybe when the mind drill actually works for things other than Lin's past lives.

I don't want a repeat of that fucking "revive the dryad as a zombie" thing.

>>24323389
Maybe another time. We have many more years of convenient days to summon her. Let's not do risky things and damage her right as we might do something that makes us feel good.

>>24323454
Bu-bu-but, gotta bind them all!

>>24323454
>I don't want a repeat of that fucking "revive the dryad as a zombie" thing.
Like you have any fucking room to speak you hypocritical faggot.

>>24323413
I don't want to bring up the harem to our Daughters biological mom.
I want her to know her children are all safe(ish) and loved. and that we hope she is in peace. Then ask if she has any special requests and wants to talk to them next year when they are all old enough to understand.

Then we send her back to her rest on the other side having eased her pain of fiery death.

>>24323389
not in any form we know how to cast but maybe in theory after like 100 hours of research and testing minimum.

>>24323489
I'm with snapple on this one. Safer for her and us, but first we should ask liz and/or dad what petrov meant by pests.

>>24323508
You. You aren't being helpful. If you have nothing helpful to say, please say nothing at all.

>>24323508
>Huurrrrrr I don't like you so I can do whatever I want

>>24323512
>I don't want to bring up the harem to our Daughters biological mom.
I want her to know her children are all safe(ish) and loved. and that we hope she is in peace. Then ask if she has any special requests and wants to talk to them next year when they are all old enough to understand.

>Then we send her back to her rest on the other side having eased her pain of fiery death.

This

>>24323477
Sure, wait for the winter solstice at least. Probably should check with dad to make sure the whole constantly burning to death afterlife thing isn't going to drive her insane or damage her spirit or stuff.

>>24323415
>drag poor girl back from the afterlife, forcing her to remember being on fucking fire when she died just for a grade
>when she tries to do something she wants to do with her perceived second chance, cram her back where you found her with no regard to her own feelings on the matter
Goddamn, you're quite the asshole. Not that I'm surprised given how you've treated these threads as your own personal LELSORANDUMB shitposting grounds, but still.

So, what's the consensus on what you're doing now? I stepped away for a bite of dinner.

>>24323514
Or Sam he is good at conjuration and probably should talk to her anyway.

>>24323539
we can ask Sam and Liz first but yes 100% agree

>>24323557
I would try to convince her but the real world is probably more dangerous for her and others than the afterlife.

>>24323563
Tell her that her daughters are fine / loved and all that, ask her if she wants to see them when they're older, then send her back.

>>24323557
I wanted to bind Lenin, but whatevs.

>>24323528
These threads would be very empty indeed if everyone abode by that rule
>>24323533
I never said anything about doing anything and don't much, you faggot, I just think its hilarious how the person singlehandedly responsible for the most derails and shitstorms in this quest thinks he has any right to bitch about anyone else being disruptive. In fact, I dont want the dryad ghost to stick around, I just think youre a massive cunt at the same time.

>>24323563
Trying to communicate with the Dryad while she's still here. I don't know about a place to do it, though. Doing it at school might cause some unforseen problem, as could bringing it home. Doing it on school grounds is probably safer, though.

>>24323563
>>24323512
>>24323151
In a private spot not anyone's sanctum

>>24323563
Talk to her before we make any other plans.

>>24323563
Talk to her, tell her her daughters survived, and are healthy and happy, ask her if she would like us to do anything for her that is within our power as thanks for her assistance. Offer to bring her back someday to meet her daughters if she wishes.

>>24323602
the whole cavern is school grounds including our tower.

>>24323612
I should specify that I mean "bring her back" as in summon her spirit up again, not as in superzombie murder-rampage.

>>24323582
While Lenin turnip would have been pretty awesome, I'm unconvinced that he's actually dead in this setting.

>>24323594
You're forgetting one very important thing.

I'm better than you and everyone else here.

>>24323635
If anyone responds seriously to you for this, I'm going to yell at them.

>>24323608
This, also don't mention that Sam, Hera and especially the Librarian also have daughters of hers. It's kind of rude to just pass that information on without oking it with them first. No need to piss Sam or Hera off.

>>24323656
It's so tempting to stroke his ego though. Some of his most batshit crazy suggestions have resulted from someone sending a little praise (or challenging) the Snapple.

>>24323727
>Some of his most batshit crazy suggestions have resulted from someone sending a little praise (or challenging)
Such as?

You head out into the hallway. Liz heads off to talk with Sam and Hera, and compliment Hera on her costume. You only overhead snippets of their conversation. You tap lightly on the turnip idol.

"Hey," you say. "Hey, are you in there? Can you talk to me?"

Roll Soul. I'll consider the first four linked 1d100 rolls.

>>24323701
we shouldn't mention the one the librarian has bur we also shouldn't lie about her Wendy either. I think the librarian loves her so she is ok.

Rolled 70

>>24323771
>roll soul to not get haunted

Rolled 89

>>24323771

Rolled 68

>>24323771

Rolled 77

>>24323771
I want Liz Sam and Hera in on this soon

>>24323787
>>24323789
>>24323799
Three out of four, very nice.

>>24323787
>>24323789
>>24323799
3/4
We charmed the ghostpants off her.

Rolled 55

>>24323787
>>24323789
>>24323799
We turnip whisperer now

I thought it was a radish.

>>24323402
we eat the turnip.

>>24323771
>turnip idol
You mean radish?

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>>24323635
I guess that's why you've been banned for shitting up these threads before.

>>24323833
But she isnt actually bound to it.

>>24323844
The club just can't handle me.

>>24323844
God fucking dammit shut up and stop taking the bait.

I said I'd yell, so I did.

>>24323872
>implying they arent dancing the dance of the double troll now
And I fucking hate them both for it.

>>24323861
Sometimes you just make me love you so much.

>>24323861
Yes, because “Snap her neck” is oh so witty and edgy.

>>24323913
I laterally can't even remember the last time "snap his/her/its neck" was presented as a command.

>>24323913
>All this jelly because you would never be as good of a wizard as me.

It's kay, I won't fault you. Must be hard living with all that envy.

>>24323937
I think it was when lunch attacked us

>>24323961
In which it would be an actual option, considering we are muscle wizards and she was an enemy.

>>24323937
Thread XXX.

>>24323950
>Being jealous of a shitposter so insecure that he has to samefag under a different persona

>>24323994
Man, I wish I was Snapple. But I am not.

>>24323787
>>24323789
>>24323799
She slowly melts out of it, her spiritual form pouring over your hand like ice water before it coalesces into the burned dryad. "Where... Am... I...?" she asks.

What do you do?

>>24324112
Just tell her the truth. Scholomance. Halloween. Daughters. etc

>>24324112
Tell her she's at scholomance, and she's been summoned. Ask her if she wants to stay. Under no circumstances mention her daughters.

>>24324112
Tell her she's a Scholomance classroom. Wait for reaction. Tell her what the date is. Wait for reaction.

Let's not dump a ton of stuff on her immediately. We don't even know if she knows she's dead yet.

>>24324112
this >>24324132
&>>24323534
Ask if she wants to talk to Liz Sam and Hera?

>>24324112
"You're at Scholomance, it's Halloween. You're a ghost.
I summoned you up for a couple of reasons. Part of it was to pass that project just now, but mainly, I wanted to talk to you in particular. I saw you a couple times when you were alive, but I never got a chance to really speak with you. My name is Max."

>>24324112
"Scholomance, it's Halloween, class assignment involved spirits, figured since I was summoning something into a turnip I may as well summon you, and since you're here see if you wanted to talk or something."

>>24324171
this is perfect

>>24323853
I don't care, I love turnip.

And I love people shaped food.

>>24324171
Seconding this. We can get to discussing her daughters once we've made sure from chatting to her that she's actually up to hearing about it.

>>24324197
yes Same with meeting Liz Sam and Hera

>>24324171
>"You're at Scholomance, it's Halloween. You're a ghost.
>I summoned you up for a couple of reasons. Part of it was to pass that project just now, but mainly, I wanted to talk to you in particular. I saw you a couple times when you were alive, but I never got a chance to really speak with you. My name is Max."

thirding

>>24324112
Hi! I'm the chick that looted your smoldering corpse!

>>24324171
I guess this works, yeah.

>running tripcode explorer
>Have 'wendi' as a search option
>get this
>aww yeaaahhh

>>24324284
u wot

>>24324284
Boy that sure worked out for you didn't it.

>>24324257
Well we're going to phrase it more tactfully than that. I was thinking maybe something along the lines of: 'don't worry, we managed to save all of your unborn children, and they're all viable.'

>>24324284
Probably should have used this, chief.
>http://desktopthread.com/tripcode.php

>>24324284
Forgot to export to word to convert the text to japanese first.

Just caught up with this quest, fun stuff.

A few points I wanted to make

Alchemy:
Alchemy is your primary, you could be doing a LOT more alchemy per day if you stop burning your energy on it. Using your energy means you get a penalty to all other work until it recovers (-1 and -1 temp focus limit and -1 perm focus limit).
1. You should make yourself literally 100 permanent foci of mitigating strain of foci creation. (each one can be used to craft the next one immediately). That would let you to effectively craft foci non stop without any strain. (as they will recharge faster then you use them). For that project arrange 100 copies of each temp foci (up to your max of 4), use perm foci to only mitigate strain, use each perm foci as soon as you craft it to craft the next one. You already have 2 so it allows 2 mistakes without disrupting your project. If you eventually make a 3rd mistake pause and finish the next day. This would only be a few hours of actual work.
2. Having 100 strain mitigation foci for creating foci, you could craft permanent foci (regular AND reducing strain) for everything else you want to do with alchemy in the future on the fly. It would be on the fly because you would use just the 1 strain mitigation foci per attempt. Yes it would be only the 4 rolls each, but you would have so many strain mitigation it wont matter if you have some failures. Heck you might even get a +1 or 2 from general purpose temp foci made in alchemy lab without going on scavenger hunt (keep huge containers each full of thousands of condoms, small gold pellets, a massive dispenser jug full of your semen (in a freezer), and a pen and paper to write/draw when necessary)

>>24324315
Oh, wow. That's actually pretty spiffy.

>>24324315
Haha! Got it.

>>24324297
when we get to that part this is what we say.

We can also say they we gave Sam an Hera 1 each so that if something bad happens to any one of us the others would likely still be safe

>>24324315
neat

>>24324325
We already have enough foci creation strain mitigation foci to craft non stop

>>24324325
WE can only use two permanent foci per thing.

Optimizing living alchemy:
1. Take advantage of group sessions in lotus sanctum. You get a ridiculous amount of stacking modifiers (bells, incense, om wave, carl leading, etc... IIRC it was +6 vs the +2 you manage at home).
2. If at home, grab a recharging plate for your cell phone so it doesn't run out on you halfway. Consider getting something permanent (like a sound elemental)
3. Make a super long incense stick so it doesn't run out as fast and get someone who doesn't sleep (like your dad) to replace it as needed.
4. Focus and Calm enhancement reduce the time it takes to perform any other living alchemy on yourself. You should limit any other enhancement to X-1 where X is your current focus and calm scores.
5. Upgrade memory so you can focus on your studies better.
6. A permanent vulnerability to alchemy is bad... but what about making an item that, while worn, gives a vulnerability to alchemy?

"You're at the Scholomance," you tell her, waiting for a reaction. She just stares at you blankly. "It's Halloween." More blank stares. "You're a ghost."

"A... Ghost...?" she asks, looking down at herself. Slowly, burn scars start covering her body, a few stab wounds, lacerations, blackened flesh flaking off like a roasted pepper. "I'm... Dead..."

"Yes," you say. "You are. I summoned you for a few reasons. The first was the pass that project, but now I want to talk to you. I saw you a few times while you were alive, but I never got to talk to you. My name is Max."

"Max...?" she says slowly. "I'm... I'm... She Walks the Path with Sunlight in her Hair..." She spits out that last line in a long chain, like it was just one word to her. "Why... Am... I... Here...?"

You think she's only processing bits and pieces of what you're saying. You might need to condense what you want to say into short segments.

What do you say now?

>>24324325
Actually the magic number is 4 sets for continuous crafting as each focus takes an hour to make ignoring resource collection and each focus takes 3-4 hours to charge.

>>24324369
YouGhostMeMaxHereScholomance

>>24324366
>Take advantage of group sessions in lotus sanctum.
We already do that, but it's just once a week

>>24324369
No point mentioning the project to her. "I wanted to talk to you about some things. Do you want to talk?"

>>24324369
"I saved your daughters. They're safe."

>>24324369
"Because I wanted to talk to you."

"What do you remember?"

It occurs to me that even if we aren't planning to seek revenge (which we probably shouldn't...) it would still be worth knowing if she remembers the faces of the Dextra who murdered her.

>>24324364
No, only have 2 total.
>>24324365
No, you can you a number of temp foci equal to your skill score and a number of perm foci equal to skill score.
Having a skill score of 4 in alchemy we can use 4 temp + 4 perm foci on any alchemy attempt.
However, if attempting alchemy to craft a magical item, the secondary school matters since you use the lower of the two skills. Some things are alchemy/alchemy giving you are score of 4. Others are alchemy/sorcery (score of 1) or alchemcy conjuration (score of 2) or alchemy/enchantment

>>24324402
She never had daughters while alive. "I saved your seeds. I wanted you to know that your daughters are safe."

>>24324369
we managed to save all of your unborn children, and they're all viable

>>24324402
... "and we sold one to the insane librarian as a bribe."

Yeah, better not.

>>24324369
"I wanted to ease your mind. I saved your daughters and am raising them as my own."

>>24324414
>No, only have 2 total.
A couple of them are communal so they're not on Max's sheet.

>>24324412
>"Because I wanted to talk to you."
>"What do you remember?"

This.

>>24324402
Not this. Secrecy outside the tower, remember?

>>24324435
Well, most...er, some.

>>24324432
>"and we sold one to the insane librarian as a bribe."
Doesn't nullify anything I said. Do you honestly think anyone can hurt that dryad? And Sam and Hera are taking care of the other two, so they're all fine.

>>24324377
ah ok. Thanks for clarification.
So, getting 4 sets of both +skill and -strain would be good then. Such that you are maxed out on perms for focus crafting whenever crafting a focus.

>>24324414
we have 2 drain at home IIRC not 1 so we have a minimal drain set for one person.
Our boost set is lacking though.

>>24324402
Shit, wait, no, not outside the tower. God dammit, no mention of daughters outside of the tower.

>>24324369
"You still live on, in a sense. Your seeds are safe and are in good hands."

>>24324448
people who care know we gave a seed to the librarian that info is already out thus safe.

>>24324369
Keep it strictly to the seeds. Don't mention that any of them are alive or planted or anything. That might cause problems if someone overhears us.

>>24324486
We've mentioned the daughters outside the tower before. We chatted to Sam about them before class on at least one occasion.

>>24324486
We mention them all the fucking time outside the tower.

Librarian? Dryad talk. Lotus sanctum? Dryad talk. Sam or Hera? Dryad talk.

>>24324504
Oh, well, fair enough. I forgot we've talked with Sam and Hera outside the tower about it. I guess Dryads aren't exactly a sensitive topic. Whatever, go for it.

>>24324486
We don't talk about the PETS or Dad outside the tower. Get it straight.

>>24324471
yes I do not know if secondary casters can use strain foci as well though. I know they only allow half their skill in extra boos foci though.

So, what's the consensus on where to go with this?

>>24324721
Talk to her and let her know she has some daughters continuing in her place. Short and simple.

>>24324377
Are you sure the actual alchemy takes an hour?
IIRC it took 1 hour to collect appropriate temp foci and then minutes to cast.
Class assignments also had Max performing multiple castings within a single hour.

>>24324526
Yes. never mention of lunch, breakfast, or dad outside of tower.
The library and lotus sanctum are both better warded then our tower and nether is unlikely to blab.
But yea, dryads are not exactly a secret... however there is no reason to not minimize who knows, and especially minimize the knowledge of emotional attachment we have to her.
Most people would consider us having a dryad as a mere "oh they want to not worry about poison food, lucky them"... but if they find out how emotional attached you are then the dryad becomes a target the same way dane used the lover of his 5th circle enemy from society of archmagi.

There is really no point in blabbing on it to her, not unless we permanently bind her spirit inside the tower. Something we can still do by simply dismissing her, going home to have brunch, and then doing a group perma bind. And I am not sure that is going to be healthy or useful.

>>24324721
Maybe we should get Liz to help us with this real quick.

We have no idea what we're doing.

>>24324742
or Sam, but Max is over her head

>>24324741
You're a huge faggot.

>>24324721
unborn children.
then
they're all viable.
then
They are being loved and cared for

>>24324721
Ask her what she remembers, then if she remembers she even had seeds, we can reassure her that they're safe.

>>24324742
Yeaaaaah, getting some help from Liz or Sam would be real helpful.

>>24324799
Why do you keep saying viable, that's a really weird word to refer to children by.

>>24324799
>unborn children.
Just say seeds.

Less syllables and less creepy

>>24324823
Why? Liz has never talked to a ghost before, and she's got lower soul than Max does. Same most likely goes for Sam.

>>24324843
They're better at conjuration. Which could stabilize her and make the talking easier.

>>24324798
What an articulate and well thought out point by point rebuttal.

>>24324829
I am not teh only one the seed are viable as in living but not planted

Selene is a child her second sister is a seedling

her third is a viable as opposed to dead seed

>>24324833
that is better yes

>>24324721
Get Liz or Sam over here for assisting us, and tell her we wanted to tell her that we saved her seeds and they're safe.

I find it fairly probable that with our future modified mind drill to work on current-incarnation memories we could probably fix up the damaged souls of people who died traumatic deaths.

And if we can bind ghosts to bodies they can control like with spirits (see Gaviscon), then we can functionally resurrect someone without going through the messy and apparently really dangerous hassle of actual resurrection. It is surely not the same thing as being properly alive, but it gives you the ability to experience and influence the real world again. Even if we were just trying to show off for a shitty class project, we've accidentally given ourselves a chance to take this person and let them sort-of live again. Maybe we should do everything we can to achieve that. We are, after all, indirectly responsible for her death in the first place; she was killed in a retaliation for something our father did, which he could only do because we released him from his cell and then wouldn't give him the common courtesy of a handjob.

With the help of other conjurers to stabilise the summoning and our emotional manipulation abilities, we could keep her calm and painless while we actually try to achieve this goal. I don't know about everyone else but it's what I'd do in the situation.

>>24324741
>Are you sure the actual alchemy takes an hour?
Yes i asked Fem strait out and the was the answer, multiple successes can cut the time a small amount.

>Yes. never mention of lunch, breakfast, or dad outside of tower
exactly

>And I am not sure that is going to be healthy or useful
I for one am sure it is not

I love how things like using sorcery to completely silence a gun or make cool things is too much effort for too little reward, but people are gung-ho to embark on the much harder mind-drill repair the ghost dryad.

>>24324949
Hey, personally I was all about making amazing guns using sorcery/alchemy bullshit and I still think it would've been worth doing.

>>24324949
Speculating and actually trying to do it are two different things.

>>24324949
This is not an intelligent quest

>>24324949
Nothing is too difficult when there's a potential waifu on the line.
Also, ghosts are a fetish of mine, especially with a side of body-hopping and possession.

>>24324982
But why use guns? Just cut out the middle-man and blast 'em with magic.

>>24324907
I would consider that later but for one the mind drill aspect is nowhere near ready.
We wold need a lot of preparation to pull this off.
And we can dismiss her after talking and bring her back when everything else is ready.
In the meantime she and us are both safer with her peacefully in the afterlife.
Our calm spell makes her rest peaceful.

>>24325009
Guns roll body and cause no strain.

>>24324907
If you must do that, then dismiss her now. Do the research properly, and summon her later on to start the repair.
Telling her anything now is just an unnecessary security risk that can get you or your family killed. She can always be told whatever when such a thing is done.

She is not going to be any less dead a year from now and this could be done much more professionally when you are actually prepared.

>>24325009
True. Also magic guns are detectable and give away your position. And with body alchemy are rendered obsolete.

>>24324949
There is nothing cool about Max Leather you whiny little abortion.

"I found your seeds," you tell her slowly. "Your daughters are safe."

"My... Seeds...?" she asks, looking slowly down her body. The flesh around her pelvis and belly slowly starts cracking and flaying open, leaving her entire abdomen empty and bare. She starts looking up at you, the empty confusion touched with slight shock, slight horror. "My... Babies...? Where... Are... My... Babies...?"

She looks like she's about to start screaming again.

What do you do?

>>24324949
I think that is a good idea the other gun stuff not so much.

>>24325027
It's kinda dumb to alchemy up a gun, then basically undo everything that makes it a gun and replace it with magic, and then have it be useless against anyone mildly prepared.

>>24325009
>>24325027

Also, the gun itself adds rolls to body. The mods to the gun would add rolls. And our augs will probably net some rolls.

And our only actual kills have been with guns.

>>24325045
>Also magic guns are detectable and give away your position.
Use sorcery to convert all sound produced by the gun into bullet force or rotation.

>>24325062
they are safe and loved

>>24325062
safe

>>24325062
Tell her they're safe and happy, and she can see them later if she wants.

>>24325062
"They are safe, they are loved, they will grow up strong and healthy."

>>24324949
If you actually bothered to pay attention, people are merely saying that repairing souls sounds like something the mind drill we already planned on making could do. Its literally zero added effort to the plans we already had.

Meanwhile, the Heart of Retarded Shitposting would have been high effort, high risk, low payoff, and just plain dumb.

Try again next whine, Snapple boy.

>>24325062
Oh boy, I really hope that calming effect is still working.

"They're safe, and cared for."

Pause for her to take it in.

"I made sure that the ones who hurt you couldn't get to them."

>>24325009
Magic causes strain.
Magic is unreliable.
Magic demands foci and wards can effectively nullify it.

An M1911 alchemised to be made out of the hardest, toughest materials we could dream up and firing ludicrously dense rounds from amazingly overpressure cartridges requires a lot of prep time, but it could punch holes in reinforced walls (let alone vaguely augmented flesh) and unless everything created with alchemy constantly reeks of magic, it wouldn't even be detectable.

>>24325062
Safe and happy

>>24325062
I knew that she was going to start screaming no matter what we did. Aaaah, we should stabilize her mentally before going any further. Well, tell her that they're growing and happy with us. She wants to know where they are.

But, uh, yeah, we need to get her head more stable before going any further.

Soul roll incoming

>>24325062
Safe, happy, loved.

>>24325110
>Meanwhile, the Heart of Retarded Shitposting would have been high effort, high risk, low payoff, and just plain dumb.
This has nothing to do with the HoP

Silencing a gun with sorcery would take one success. Its the same spell we used to power the collar.

We've already told her the seeds are safe, you guys. She wants to know where they are, not if they're safe.

>>24325075
>Also magic guns are detectable and give away your position.
>Use sorcery to convert all sound produced by the gun into bullet force or rotation.
Not detectable when fired. Detectable when carried. They give away your position.

Remember during early threads when the armory in the crumbling tower was first found this was discussed. Even an untrained firsty can tell if a weapon is enchanted or not at a glance.

However, there might be "anti detection" enchantments you can place on the gun to mitigate it. It would certainly be viable weapon if so.

>>24325062
"Most are with me, the others are with those I trust.

They are all safe and loved even if they haven't sprouted."

>>24325110
That is wrong though the drill fixes minds using the soul they have it backwards.

>>24325147
>This has nothing to do with the HoP
I'm sure it doesn't. And why silence a gun when it cant even hit our target in the first place? And still none of that nullifies the point I made about mind-drilling a dead dryad.

>>24325097

Yes. Just say, "Safe."

>>24325168
>might be
Like the wards we have on the tower?

Would only take a little bit of time to put one on a pistol.

Guys, drop the mind drill thing. First off, it's way too far underdeveloped to bother talking about, and second off, we're talking to a literal fucking spirit. There is no mind to this being. You cannot fix the mind of a soul, because the soul and mind are separate.

Also, you're all completely distracted from the actual quest events and helping nobody.

>>24325177
this but say
Most are at my sanctum , the others are with those I trust.

They are all safe and loved even if they haven't sprouted"

>>24325185
It repairs the soul and mind since memories are attached to both, I believe. And even if it doesnt, the point is that people were theorizing another use of the mind-drill that we dont even have the capacity to make yet, not saying to drop everything and fix the dead dryad. It was a future plan and much better than anything Snapple has proposed, regardless of whether or not it was even all that good. Hell, most of them were saying to use the dryad as a guinea pig so we would know what to do if Max died.

>>24325168
Every suggestion *I* have for improving firearms relies solely on making them out of different stuff and taking advantage of our extreme strength. Unless all transmuted materials are considered enchanted, it would be undetectable.

>>24325177
This works. This tells her where they are.

>>24325225
You can add a mind to a soul using enchantment. Gaviscon was a mindless ball of acid. Then we gave him a mind and he became a screaming ball of acid.

>>24325244
>>24325229
is better because it is less confusing and she is easily confused.

>>24325225
I agree that we shouldn't be discussing the mind drill right now, but the ghost does have a mind, that's what we used our emotion field on.

>>24325241
No, it repairs the mind based on what the soul knows. This was explicitly stated.

If Sam is part succubus doesn't that make him and Max related? Also are Max's dad and Sam's mum on good terms? Would be interesting to hear her slant on the whole braking of the Word thing

>>24325301
We have no idea how our dad and Sam's mom are feeling about each other, but yes, Sam and Max are related, though it might be fairly distant.

>>24325212
>Would only take a little bit of time to put one on a pistol.
Hey, great point. I concede then and change my vote in support of such a gun then.

>>24325225
The point they are making is not to use the mind drill on this dead soul. The idea they have is to resurrect her and then use the mind drill on the drooling brainless vegetable that results. Dad said the mind of a successful resurrection is irreversibly in tatters. The mind drill is based on the process via which Lin successfully resurrects, and is able to recover memories that are literally gone, thus removing the "irreversible".
It is possible that with heavy research this could be used to devise a viable resurrection method that can be used on anyone.

This would be a great thing for max to work on but it would take years of work and is not at all viable anytime soon. In the meanwhile revealing anything to this broken ghost is a security risk.

"They're safe," you tell her slowly. "Completely safe. I'm their grovemother." You decide to leave out that Sam, Hera, and the Librarian collectively have half of them. You don't want to overload the ghost with details. "They're safe and loved. I'm taking care of them."

"Safe..." she says, her face relaxing. "Loved... Care..." Spectral tears start running down her face and chest, black and oily, and trailing off into smoky wisps at the end. "My... Seeds... Are... Safe... His... Daughters... Are... Safe..."

What do you do?

>>24325301
Yes, but they could be anywhere from first cousins to as distant as you are from any other random ass person on Earth.
Also, we don't know, because we don't know who precisely Sam's mom is. We've never met her.

>>24325327
Ghost hug?

>>24325327
"One is hatched, would you like to meet her?"

>>24325327
"I thought I needed to tell you. Do you have any questions?"

>>24325327
Ask who the father is?

>>24325327
>tell her yes

then
When they are older and can understand I plan to introduce them to you.

>>24325327
>His daughters are safe
Now I'm curious as hell about who the father was.

>>24325344
nonononononono, bad idea. Very bad idea. She can meet them in a few years time when they're grown up and we can explain the situation properly to them beforehand.

>>24325344

Don't specifically ask her if she wants to see Selene, there is a risk of her recognizing Breakfast and going on a ghostrampage.

>>24325344
We can wait until next year when Selene is fully grown and we're good enough at magic to really stabilize Sunshine (I'm calling her Sunshine, dammit). Right now, Selene is too young to understand (and may react inappropriately), and Sunshine is not stable enough to handle this right now.

>>24325367
>inb4 Pierre

>>24325344
not now next year

>>24325339
ok

>>24325346
sure

ok >>24325358

>>24325327
>His... Daughters... Are... Safe...
...who is he?

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>>24325186
>And why silence a gun when it cant even hit our target in the first place?
Uh... Considering firearms draw on our best stat and would benefit from about half our augments, in addition to being handy, cheap, and having far more uses available than spells since it doesn't incur drain, I really don't see where you're going with this. In the average combat situation, a gun that we can fire reasonably well with is far more effective than betting on ending it with one of our three or four spell attempts.

>>24325327
Dismiss her soon. This is like pulling teeth.

>>24325344
Nope

>>24325411
They need to be fertilized by a male of any species to be viable, though.

>>24325411
Some male of pretty much any species fucks them and that fertilizes them.

The "He" is probably some deity or something, by the way.

>>24325075
>And our only actual kills have been with guns.
Yes, against Vampire Lord thralls who showed zero magical inclination.

>>24325406
We could just punch them. Considering that melee lets us draw on our many many augments.

>>24325406
Thrown weapons or bows with an impossibly-huge draw strength would let us use our Strength augmentation too. Guns are strictly inferior to muscle-powered weaponry for us now.

>>24325406
The last time we shot at someone halfway competent the bullets simply curved away from her.

>>24325406
>Considering firearms draw on our best stat and would benefit from about half our augments, in addition to being handy, cheap, and having far more uses available than spells since it doesn't incur drain
That all did us so much good against Kaorus bullet bending shield. And we can probably throw a pebble faster and stronger than a bullet soon enough.

>>24325439
>Guns are strictly inferior to muscle-powered weaponry for us now.
Not /yet/

The mundane rifle gave +2 to body rolls.

Get more augs and you're right.

>>24325406
We need weapons that use our Strength augmentation. Guns lag behind because of that bonus. We have a larger dice pool bare-handed now than using a pistol. We need to get some crazy bow or something.

1. Who is he?
2. Did you have any other living relatives? (could be potential allies, could also be potential enemies if they scry for the seeds).
3. DO NOT introduce her to any of the daughters yet. None are ready for this yet and its a huge security risk.

If we can stabilise the summoning, and get her bound to something, we apparently have the enchantment mojo required to influence what's left of her mind and keep her calm, we should do that and then devote some of our time to making that mind drill, because seriously the mind drill is awesome. Hell, unless I remember wrongly, our father is going to be done with the wards soon, and if that is the case then he will shortly have a lot more free time to faff about with, some of which he could use researching this himself. Lin would probably be interested in inventing new applications for the drill too, and she doesn't even place a great deal of value on her time or even her life because she knows she's going to get a new one later anyway. It wouldn't be a solo project and it's worth doing.

We should definitely shop to Dad the possibility of the modified mind drill solving the resurrection problem, regardless of whether or not you chumps decide it's "worth" trying to fix the dryad.

>>24325467
We should alchemy up some hardcore bow that can only be drawn by someone with superhuman strength.

Then Max will be like something from legend, and I will be most pleased.

>>24325462
Our gun and augs gave us more dice
her shield gave her more dice
we rolled shit.
she did not.
mystery solved

>>24325437
That requires getting close, which isn't always an option.

>>24325439
Maybe, but you can't threaten someone from across the room nearly as well with a knife, no matter how hard you can throw it, because how should they know you can?

>>24325451
>>24325462
That's a valid point, though. Guns certainly aren't as effective as spells and whatnot, but they are a bit more reliable roll-wise, and having plenty of ammunition gives us wiggle room that our limited spells don't always have.

>>24325327
Dismiss her spirit

>>24325467
>We have a larger dice pool bare-handed now than using a pistol. We need to get some crazy bow or something.

As an avid shadowrun player, I am fully in support of the MaxBow idea

>>24325509
>but they are a bit more reliable roll-wise
>relying on rolls
>in BFQ

>>24325467
>>24325500
Now this I can get behind, Alchemy Powerbow is the only ranged option for someone with superstrength.

>>24325539
We Rambo now

Guys, it's been explicitly stated that the mind drill restores the mind based on what the soul knows.

The mind perceives events, and those events are recorded onto the soul. The soul remembers even when the mind does not. The mind drill copies the memories from the soul, and puts them back onto the mind.

Using the mind drill on a ghost is pointless.

>>24325524
Precisely my point. Our rolls will always be shit in the critical moment, but we can make up for part of that by just rolling a lot of fucking dice. Guns are the quantity to our spell's quality.

>>24325539
I want a secondary pistol for foci uses and small size but a bow is a great idea.

>>24325500
>>24325521
>>24325539
This is something you are capable of doing, and it isn't unlikely that there is at least one master of zen archery among the Lotus, if you choose to go this route.

>>24325569
So much for Alexander.

Can we get a robin hood hat too?

>>24325569
I am behind this 110%.

>>24325451
>>24325462
Assuming the bullet shield actually obeys basic physical principles in that it applies force to incoming projectiles to change their trajectory, there will be limits to the amount of force it can apply and we can make weapons that counteract that by firing projectiles that are much denser and at much higher velocity

>>24325465
>>24325467
We can make guns to take advantage of our strength augmentation in that we can make extremely powerful guns that would be completely unusable for a normal human because of their weight and recoil but are manageable for a superhuman like us. These better guns would have advantages that make them more effective against the magical defences employed against firearms. Moreover, they'd be unexpected. In a world where paranoia reigns and people constantly walk around with magical protections against the attack vectors they expect to be used against them, the best way to win is by coming up with solutions that are completely unexpected so our enemies are not adequately prepared. The common wisdom is that guns are shit-tier against magic. I don't believe that's actually true - just that nobody who wanted to use guns has been creative enough yet.

>>24325595
We already covered the giant gun question many threads ago. Femcock vetoed it on the grounds that the weight would make it tear itself apart.

>>24325569
Yes, oh my god, I support being an archer. Arrows can be made easily, and we can made a fucking 500 lb draw bow with our Strength +2 and punch holes in steel.

>>24325467
>>24325500
Make throwing knifes or shurikens out of hyperdiamond (hardest material known to man as of 2013).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregated_diamond_nanorod

They utilize our strength and speed augmentations and as such would surpass guns. Furthermore, as we continue to augment our body guns would become obsolete while throwing knifes continue to improve.

>>24325569
Oh yes.

But SOME practical skill at martial arts would still be appreciated.

>>24325569
Powerbow time.

If we get lessons from one Lotus Master, is that it? Or can be still ask Alexander for martial arts training too?

>>24325562
Dryad-ghost evidently still has a mind - even a shitty tattered one - as we were clearly able to affect her with our mind-affecting enchantment powers.

Fixing her up with the modified mind-drill is totally possible under the mechanics of the universe as they've been presented to us so far. There could be a revelation around the corner that demonstrates it's not actually the case - but it hasn't happened yet.

>>24325595
>weight and recoil
Negatable by sorcery.

Transfer the recoil to rotational speed, beneficial enchantment that powers itself.

Bind a spirit to it powering a spell that negates gravity.

With that, even my scrawny ass could walk around toting a battleship cannon.

>>24325612
Plus we can always keep some magic arrows on hand for when we absolutely definitely must ruin someone's day.

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>get one of our dryad daughters to grow us an elf-tier bow
>bind dryad spirit into bow
>enchant to produce energy arrows
>become pic related

>>24325569
>This is something you are capable of doing, and it isn't unlikely that there is at least one master of zen archery among the Lotus, if you choose to go this route.

Excellent, thanks.

Fem, what is with the gun hate?

Its like.
Its like they're all over the place, and useful, and even fourth-years use (probably augmented somehow) sniper rifles. Even liz used one in the archmagi society trial to kill an elemental.
And yet, every time they come up in the thread, people say they suck.... when it's clearly not the case.

What's going on here? I don't get the gun hate.

>>24325579
>Can we get a robin hood hat too?
YESYESYESYEYSEYSEYS

First good idea you've had.

>>24325639
With a bigger dick, of course.

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>>24325638
Is this going where I think it's going?

>>24325646
Mainly I just don't want another gunwank quest. /tg/ has had too many of those already.

>>24325579
>So much for Alexander.

Alexander might actually be a teacher for that anyway. Since he's the martial master and spent a lot of time mastering superman style kung fu, its probable he checked out muscle powered weaponry beyond the scope of melee range.

>>24325646
Fem said at one point that upgrading guns isn't worth the time. People took that as "fuck guns never use if use you lose"

And then Karou's shields happened. So now nobody will listen to anything involving them.

But I'm cool with a bow.

So. nobody else likes my idea of using magical shuriken instead of magical bow?

>>24325569
Another vote for this idea.

I imagine a compound bow scaled-up for someone with superhuman draw strength would be a singularly terrifying weapon.

Plus it can be all imposing and ornate and shit. Legendary weapon hooo!

>>24325684
Nope.

>>24325684
Bows can use broadhead tips to accomplish the same goal with more accuracy and power.

>>24325669
So much swag.

>>24325669
Hell yes, we can do all kinds of crazy shit.

>>24325684
As a side arm sure but the bow is a good long arm.
Lunch can tech us shuriken I think.

Ok since people are insistent on bow over throwing knifes...

For the bow's arrows you should use a depleted uranium shaft (maximize weight) with heads made out of hyperdiamond.

>>24325595
Fem already said that the time spent on creating a useful-ish gun like that would be better spent on self-augments.

>>24325635
Maybe if we're feeling particularly sentimental, we can make an arrangement with her to call her back when we can to meet with her daughters. That is, if her soul doesn't go through some sort of reincarnation cycle like Lin (I'm not actually sure if Lin is the only one who reincarnates or other people can too and Lin is just one of the rare few who can remember).

>>24325684
>So. nobody else likes my idea of using magical shuriken instead of magical bow?

I like the idea of thrown weapons, but a knife would be a lot more practical.
There's a lot more uses for knives than shuriken.

>>24325646
People are accurately pointing out that firearms don't take advantage of superhuman strength in the way that archaic muscle-powered weaponry does. I also once mentioned that upgrading firearms is rarely worth the time invested compared to other projects, and it would require more time than using alchemy to produce a high-strength bow.

That said, firearms are still useful, be it against enemies that aren't physical powerhouses, in the hands of anyone without super strength, or just because they're guns. A high-strength bow, though, is a reasonably elegant solution to a ranged weapon that exploits all of Max's applicable physical augmentations. Javelins and increasingly silly Asian throwing weapons would be too.

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>>24325639
Yes please.

>>24325611
I never said a giant gun. I said a really powerful gun. For most of the weapon all you care about is extreme hardness which isn't even correlated to weight; most of the superhard materials aren't particularly dense by materials standards. The bits you'd want to be ultradense are the rounds themselves and they'd be a tiny portion of the overall thing.

Femcock can veto the whole concept if she wants - it's her quest - but the physical principles are totally sound.

I am amused by people who instantly leapt upon the bow as a great idea when they were presumably complaining about the impenetrability of bullet shields a moment ago. It's not like a high-powered rifle round has more fucking power than an arrow, even one fired from a fancy bow by a superhuman. If it works on bullets, it works on arrows too, shitforbrains!

>>24325723
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with having large stocks of depleted uranium around the place. We should probably look into the possibility of magical materials.

>>24325733
>increasingly silly Asian throwing weapons
Are you saying we should get us a throwing loli?

>>24325733
>ncreasingly silly Asian throwing weapons would be too.
Flying Guillotine portal to a forest full of wendigos

>>24325742
What is wrong with depleted uranium?

>>24325742
I'd really like to get a leg up on that "impossible materials" lesson fem talked about when I was suggesting making bulletproof clothes.

>>24325723
Diamond is actually a terrible material for something like this. It's hard and holds a good edge, but it's very brittle and we don't actually WANT super-sharp arrows, since they'll just wiff right through someone while imparting next to no energy, which is both a waste and risks collateral damage.

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>>24325639
Heavy draw metal bow what?

>>24325754
Just me being a dumbass and mistaking depleted uranium for the cancer-giving variety.

Still, I think research into supernatural materials should be our first port of call.

>>24325774
I think fat tungsten rods would make good arrows.

>>24325774
So something like dum-dums, but with arrowheads?

Sure be a messy way to go.

>>24325742
>magical materials.
adamant is a good one. Bows are good, but I still want a Morningstar for close fighting

>>24325774
1. Diamond TIPS not diamond arrows.
2. I said hyperdiamond not diamond.
3. Kinetic energy is more likely to increase collateral damage not decrease it.

>>24325754
It is radioactive. Just less then refined uranium.
Places the Government has test fired the stuff have been put under radiation quarantine from it.

>>24325774
Ultra-sharp arrows actually cut down where we can hit while still causing lethal damage. Blunt impacts tot he ribs, bad enough, can cause lethal complications. Slicing through the lower left area of someone's abdomen and maybe moderately lacerating their large intestines isn't going to kill them as quickly as an arrow with a ten pound steel ball on the end slamming into their chest and bursting it open like a chest burster with a party popper.

>>24325740

Arrows have more volume, thus more possible mass, which means that there is more possible piercing potential.

So, what was the consensus? Ask about the girls' father? See if the ghost wants to meet her children? Something else?

>>24325804
hell yes most of the weight of uranium none of the execs radiation.

>>24325844
Banish ghost get bow.

We can deal with her shit next year.

>>24325844
We should dismiss the spirit

>>24325727
>Fem already said that the time spent on creating a useful-ish gun like that would be better spent on self-augments.
We've demonstrated the capacity to trivially turn raw material into completely different elements and complex forms - with, at most, a few hour's work (see huge pile of rock into gold, any time we've fabricated something that isn't just a raw material, like the outfits for the maids [which by the way consisted of several components but we made them very quickly in single attempts, so it's not like we'd have to roll individually and spend an hour for every single bullet]). That is all that is necessary to create a gun of the type I have described. It shouldn't even be a full day's work for Max.

The guns can be vetoed, but I'd rather not be given bullshit reasons for it.

>>24325844
Ask who the father is. If he still lives we may have something of a responsibility to him, seeing as how we're raising his kids, or whatever.

>>24325844
>Ask about the girls' father
yes
See if the ghost wants to meet her children
no we will call her again when they are older

>>24325844
Ask about the father, if she's even capable of answering.

>>24325844
I think we should just let her go back. She knows her daughters are safe, that's all we can do for her.

>>24325844
Ask if she has any questions. Give her a chance to clear up any questions she has of her own.

>>24325817
The risk of collateral comes from overpenetration. Sharp tips will cut though easily and just keep on going, leaving the target with a nice, clean, even hole poked in them. A wide, blunted tip, meanwhile, will cave in their entire rib cage.

>>24325844
Do (in order)
1. Ask about girl's father
2. Ask about any other relatives (potential enemies scrying for the seeds right now)
3. Dismiss her

>>24325819
Wow... no just no.

1. Depleted uranium is NOT radioactive.
Any radioactivity in mundanely manufactured depleted uranium is due to it being like... 99% depleted uranium and 1% radioactive one.
2. Enrichment is a misnomer, the enrichment process of uranium is actually filtering raw uraniuam and separating the radioactive from the depleted isotopes.

So depleted uranium is just a harmless non radioactive metal

>>24325844
Wrap it up. Who daddy, then send her back. It's bow time, motherfuckers!

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>>24325820
>>24325836
modern Arrows are plain nasty

>>24325844
Ask about dad.

>>24325885
If it can drop an Elk without making a noise, it can sure as hell put a human down.

>>24325891
>>24325878
>>24325876
Wait, why are we asking about her father? I thought dryads don't HAVE fathers?

>>24325844

Ask about dad, then dismiss.

>>24325902
We aren't hunting humans, we're hunting monsters and wizards.

>>24325910
Selene's sperm donor. The dude that fucked ghosty

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>>24325885

>>24325910
she said his children are safe

Yes the man who fertilized there biological mother.

Why am I the only one who wants to know about OTHER LIVING RELATIVES.
Her grove mother could come looking for the seeds or some such.

>>24325844
ask about the father
then banish her

>>24325902
>>24325938
I for one hope this quest goes on long enough to watch a high level Max go dragon hunting.