>>25344552
I'm for Option 1
It will be nice to see something different

... I kinda want to see the end of Citadel. But option 1 seems more fun and less likely to end the quest right after Citadel does.

I think one thing we need to do before all that is give everyone a week off (assuming something's not on fire when we get to Stone Hall), and in particular get Mage a barrel of sweet potatoes and some days of no requests. Dude works hard, and we've been kind of making him feel like he is taken for granted.

But of the two options, 1 sounds more fun, though freeing Citadel would seem to be important as well. I mean, we just created hell on earth after all.

>>25344552
I'm liking Option 1, would be a fun change of pace. Besides, it will probably include something similar to option 2 later anyway, so we get both, not like we can just leave Citadel there.

>>25344745
There would obviously be a gap of time before the invasion begins.

NO time skip though. I loathe that concept, lazy writing. We can have time move quickly, ala montage or other methods, but we aren't going to look away and then look back and have multiple years pass while we weren't looking.

>>25344552
BOTH
We really have to end Citadel, but it's not that urgent any more. What we've done already will cause massive waves, no doubt about it, and those probably will cause urgent problems, like Option 1.

>>25344552

Option 1 sounds nice.

Option 2 sounds like it could become an extension of Option 1, if things get desperate enough. Either to stop the Phoenix Empire from claiming the remains of Citadel, or perhaps to finally try to act and redeem Citadel.

>>25344552

How big is White Tree anyway? From our first visit there, I kind of got the impression that it was only two or three times the size of River's Crossing, and /much/ smaller than Purple Sands or Bronze Peak.

>>25344810
I'm pretty sure we've gone well pass the point of trying to redeem Citadel...

Anyways.

>>25344552
Option One moving into Option Two would be my vote. We still have our promises to keep. But it would be a nice change of pace for a bit.

>>25344794
>NO time skip though.
This is nice to hear. I've always hated that in stories. 'THREE YEARS LATER!' Bah.

>>25344794

Concur'd. Though, honestly, solving economic and social problems is half the fun of Lamia Quest.

>> 25355442

You mean the new Mab. I'm pretty sure the current one wants nothing to do with the Fey Court.

>>25344881
And we need at least one session of vacation time, montage or no.

>>25344552
Ugh, I want both. I think 1 would be pretty fun and interesting, though, just worried it'd make the plot too meandering.

>>25344959
>just worried it'd make the plot too meandering.

And that's my big worry of Option 1.

>>25344959
that would actually kind fit, we smashed destiny remember? narrative casualty went out the window. so there is no reason the next crisis has to wait for the previous one to finish.

>>25344975
>>25344976
The last session seemed like a pretty good "end of Part 1" anyway. I think we can stand some changes in the status quo.

>>25344828
>How big is White Tree anyway? From our first visit there, I kind of got the impression that it was only two or three times the size of River's Crossing, and /much/ smaller than Purple Sands or Bronze Peak.

White Tree's size is a little misleading, the 'city proper' that's within the walls is about 3-4 times bigger than River's Crossing, and that's only about half the size of any of the other cities.

However, there's plenty of farmsteads, manors like Lord Holting's, and little clutches of homes that are outside White Tree's walls, but still consider themselves to be part of White Tree. White Tree's main economic keystone is all about farming, ranching, and other plains related food production.

Of course, now with Citadel's magic being sucked back into itself, there's going to be a lot of upheaval. Plus, White Tree's been carefully guided culturally for years by Tragedy and Lady Glenn, who were racist bigots. So there's a long tradition of people being put in charge having a mandatory quality of 'Monsters = Beasts' mentality.

>>25345073
.... so they are all rednecks?

>>25344975

You could try mixing Options 1 & 2.

Things are pretty calm after the whole killing of the Dramatae, but important people are going to notice the power vacuum sooner or later (probably sooner, if they have agents living in and about the land) and try to exploit it. It can still be an open chapter, so to speak, but stuff can still be happening in real time.

Kind of like how it is in Exile 3/Avernum 3; the player is encouraged to explore this huge world and really soak up the small details, but there are several monster plagues in progress. If you don't deal with those plagues in a (lenient) span of time, towns will be destroyed, NPCs will die from town invasions or getting sick from diseases/joining doomed expeditionary forces, etc.

>>25345151
Ooh, that's a good one. Gives us enough time to vacation and travel for fun a bit, but then start noticing that "something's rotten in Denmark" and, well, off to the next quest!

>>25345078
No. They're quite cultured. You know that I try to always make things be more complicated than that. It's just something that's been so institutionalized, that they really don't even realize it. Loathing monsters is in most parts of their culture. Their children's stories, songs demonizing them, art, etc. They'll condemn a man for being racist for saying the term 'pointy-ears' and with the same breath say 'scale-face' or say something horrible about Tara.

That's why your presence was such a shock to their system. Let a lone your status as a Paladin. Thus they do what most people do in that scenario, pretend you don't exist until you go away, and then go back to normal.

>>25345073
>>25345078
So, in terms of city size comparison, like we did before with Citadel = 2 times Tokyo and Stone Hall is approximately equal to Seattle, would White Tree be like Omaha, Nebraska or something?

>>25345151
Oooh, Exile 3 is one of my more favorite games. (Still that doomknight in the Giant-Trogoldyte Barrier room, ugh)

>>25345175
I wonder if that has anything to do with them being the closest large city to Citadel proper.

>>25345190
The city's a little bit bigger, but yeah. Also, you have to travel for a while before you can find a group of people who say that they live in their own village, and not say that they're part of White Tree.

>>25345194

Even to this day, I wonder why no villain in AAA games has ever thought to make a golem factory. That place was horrifying if you were doing a legit playthrough with no editor shenanigans.

>>25345237
Oh, so it's basically not-DFW complex, set in quasi-Middle Ages times, and with slightly smaller population.

>>25345247
Yeah, but obviously a lot of that is going to be changing REALLY fast now.

>>25345244
Probably because golems in whatever 'verse a factory would be set in require something hard to find to make them, like a soul or a unique item. Do you know how hard souls are to find? I'm not made of money!

[s]Solution, make a money golem[s]

>>25345297

True enough, since most golems require binding of elemental spirits.

The golems in Exile 3/Avernum 3 were more like magical murder-robots made from gems and stone.

>>25345297
There was a dwarf king in one campaign I played in who protected his treasure vault with a gold golem made from his own treasure.

>>25345333
Great way to protect the treasure from looters too, it literally [i]walks[/i] away.

With regards to the phoenix kingdom how advanced is their technology reached? I know that they have tales of flying machines, but other than that we've gotten little information. Is their technology still pre-black powder or do they have rudimentary fireworks and machines? (Things like the Hwa-cha rocket artillery (early 1300's) or the repeating crossbow?(400BC) Dates included for simple time reference.

I would see Option 2 lead into Option 1 as the time it takes to finally deal with citadel would provide ample time for the Phoenix Empire to muster their forces and cross the sea. (Which is how far? Pacific size or Atlantic?)

Also should Option 1 come into play I can see bad things happening for Mumei.

>>25345399
I think their flying machines were destroyed and buried by their Dramatae equivalent (the name eludes me). It sounds as though they are as anti-change as Citadel.

>>25345418

Or they just like to hoard all the technological and magical marvels to their own little club. Only deigning to release materials when absolutely necessary, or whenever the whim strikes them.

>>25345418
Well I thought that the Phoenix kingdom imprisoned their land spirit (or local equivalent). I was refering to the tale where the man tried to fly and was killed for trespassing on the emperors domain.

>>25345452
They did, but the people who did so simply took the reins for themselves. Kept the old regime going, just replace "land spirit" with "bunch of nobles".

Crap, I just realized that if this is the case, then Paladin Balles is in very real danger of being brainwashed when the invasion finally happens.

>>25345521
He does love that Phoenix Empire 'order'.

Hey, this is just something that has been bugging me, but have Tricia and Ssen still been able to...do it? I can't figure it out, because it's implied that they've been able to, but I am not sure how that works given Tricia's current state.

I mean Tricia doesn't have any muscle or fat anymore, other than skin, organs, and bone it's all bugs. So is she like a bloated, dead animal; looks fat and happy on the outside but the minute you poke it it explodes into a pile of...well, you get the idea? Or is it that she still has what appears to be fat and muscle, but it's really insects transformed into fat and muscle, and she can transform them back as needed. Because I keep having this mental image of Ssen trying to cuddle up to Tricia only for her body to burst into a swarm of bees. Would bugs swarm out if you, say, cut deep enough to penetrate where Tricia's muscles once were?

Sorry for the disturbing imagery, it's just something I haven't been able to figure out. Honestly, we don't need to hear the gritty details, a "yes" or "no" would be fine for now.

>>25345903
>Hey, this is just something that has been bugging me, but have Tricia and Ssen still been able to...do it?

Short answer: Yes. They figured it out.

>So is she like a bloated, dead animal; looks fat and happy on the outside but the minute you poke it it explodes into a pile of...well, you get the idea?

>She still has what appears to be fat and muscle, but it's really insects transformed into fat and muscle, and she can transform them back as needed.

This is the answer to the earlier question.

>Would bugs swarm out if you, say, cut deep enough to penetrate where Tricia's muscles once were?

No, there'd be bugs and blood. She still has her circulatory and respiratory systems.

>>25345980
Good. Let us never speak of this again.

>>25345521
Less worry about brainwashing, more worry about actually going turncoat

Okay, another question. Obviously you're going to get a bunch of new enemies, but would you like to have a chance to deal with the Revenants? It's an easy yes when you go into Citadel, but outside...I know you guys would love to finish off Donovan and Lea's Father, and it's easy enough for me to put them in.

The way that I said that they were summoned allows for this.

Any other slightly obscure people/enemies/monsters that you'd like me to bring back from Book 1? (Obviously everyone who's a player in Stone Hall and Bronze Peak will come back. I'm wondering if I made a quick character that you'd guys like to have more screen time)

>>25345903
>>25345980
Lamia Quest, ladies and gents.

>>25346213
I figured the revenants would have gone when Comedy died. What reason does Citadel have to keep those souls walking around now?

>>25346213
Oh, and one little bit of fluff that I made that sadly, you'll not have a natural way to discover now.

That dragon that Dagda mentioned? The Dragon Who's Name is Dragon because she IS what a Dragon IS. That was Ssen's Dragon Ancestor. Her great-great-great-etc-grandmother.

>>25346213
We're going to run into them eventually whenever we do finally decide to go into Citadel, so really its not a big deal.

>>25346279
.... oh that is perfect. It really is. We're finishing both sides of the family's work.

>>25346213
>Any other slightly obscure people/enemies/monsters that you'd like me to bring back from Book 1?
There was the kid from First Stone Hall that attacked us and we threw in jail. And that Lea damaged the bars of the prison over his blasphemy.
Would be interesting to stick him and our former light bringer together on a penance quest.

>>25346279
I kind of figured that one out. A dragon whose name means "dragon" and who thinks "we don't need no stinkin' land spirits". Totally sounded like it was a reference to Ssen in some way.

>>25346268
>What reason does Citadel have to keep those souls walking around now?

It doesn't, but they're sort of like the Denarians from the Dresden Files. There's some artifacts out there that hold their souls, and if they're activated within range of a corpse, then they can come back. It's an Elf Spell too, so it's fueled by the Tradition, which is still strong.

I only ask this because I know some of you would like nothing better than to see Donovan and Lea's Father get a sharp spear of karma shoved in their face.

>>25346325
sure then lets encounter them again.

>>25346325
I'm actually pretty much over Donovan. I would love for lea to get her chance to kick her dad's ass just once though

>>25346362
she definately deserves the chance.

>>25346279
You know, I'm starting to wonder, aside from her desire to be a paladin, does Ssen have any traits that aren't derived from her dragon or leviathan heritage? Her pride, possessiveness towards friends, and stubborness are all dragon traits, whereas her intelligence, sense of humor, penchant for crazy plans, and inability to name things are all leviathan traits. It just seems a little odd given the themes of "who you are born as does not dictate who you are" and "races are not definable by a single set of traits" present in all the other characters.

>>25346393
I'm pretty sure pride, possessiveness, stubborness, intelligence, sense of humor and crazy plans are the traits of things besides dragons and leviathans.

>>25346393
Really all of those traits are traits that /tg/ gave to ssen. It just so happens that those traits are common for dragons and leviathans.

>>25346393
I would argue that she developed those attributes on your own. Who you are born as doesn't dictate, but it does help shape you.

Also, her desire to horde is unique to her. Old One has a horde urge, and so did the Dragon Who's Name Is Dragon, but neither of them wanted to horde friends or loved ones.

>>25346484
Agreed on both counts, it just seemed a little odd that her personality seemed like a checklist for dragon and leviathan behavior, especially since the other races we've seen differ so much between individuals.

>>25346393
Hey, it's the human members of our group that come up with the craziest plans, ever since Mage destroyed a mountain so that we could escape. Lea's just as stubborn as we are if not more so, Mage is actually the "clever one" in the group, and the ENTIRE PARTY went apeshit when we went down in in the Stone Hall siege.

Creative thinking, stubbornness, and protective instincts all ratcheted up to eleven are just how our group seems to work.

>>25346484
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm a little unclear as to what you mean by unique. I mean, we could say that a family has a penchant and histor to play sports, but if one plays baseball and his son plays basketball we'd call it different. Right?

I'm just a little unclear on what you mean. That's all.

>>25346531
And the Dagda scam was Peri's idea. We should definitely bring that up next time one of them calls us crazy.

>>25346522
Even if that was true, which I don't think it is, "hording" friends and loved ones is a uniquely Paladin-ish way to do it. It shows that Ssen places more value in trust and companionship than in any sort of object. As for leviathans, what did they actually ever DO with those crazy brains of theirs? Did they ever focus that on solving problems or helping people?

If you get hung up on the apparent presence or absence of those characteristics you listed and miss the actual form they take, you're kind of missing the point.

>>25344552
I don't see why we shouldn't poke about in the Citadel!Lump as well as having the Phoenix Empire invade. We've not put our knowledge of the language to any real use in ages.

Also I want to see more of them react to Ssen like Mumei did. Maybe a good boat trip with some naval fun before ruining everything in the Phoenix Empire.

>>25346536
Er, original poster of the above comment. What I mean to say was that dragons are described as being prideful, stubborn, aggressive, think they know what's best for everyone, are possessive towards thing that are "theirs", and such. In contrast, leviathans are seen as intelligent, unable to name things, formulate crazy plans, have a sense of humor based around puns and other such jokes.

With a few exceptions (specifically, desire to hoard physical things and extreme narcissism), all of these traits can be found in Ssen and nearly all of the dragon and leviathan descendents we see (sans Paul). If Ssen grew up in a family of dragons and leviathans, where she was constantly exposed to these kind of behaviors, it would make sense that she would behave similarly.

I guess what I'm asking is, besides her desire to be a paladin, what makes Ssen different from the lamia kids and the other dragon and leviathan descendents we see. I get that family history is obviously going to play a role in a person's tastes and behavior, but it just seems odd that Ssen's behavior is so quintessentially dragon or leviathan when she hadn't even met an intelligent one until the past year or so, and that the members of the other races we've seen (say, Rachel, Avery, and Balles for dwarves; or Lysander and Peri for elves) vary so much in personality.

tl;dr: I'm wondering what character traits are primarily a result of Ssen's personal history, rather than biology.

>>25346688
We should call it the Zitidel...

>>25346907
I like you

>>25346814
Before the quest began Ssen had only a handful of people that even saw her as a person. I don't see Ssen hoarding people. I see her trying to keep the few people that have ever cared about her safe and happy. She really isn't too prideful or narcissistic. I don't really see many dragon traits at all.

>>25346688
Also, I don't think we should destroy the citadel. It is a child that needs to be disciplined and taught the value of life. I mentioned in the last thread that we could turn it into an ant farm or something until it learns to be responsible.

>>25346946
That part I can easily see as personal traits. I mean, it all goes back to that first sentence "Don't want to be alone".

>>25346968
I almost feel a little bad for Citadel. It's freaking out because both of its "mommies" are gone, and now it has no idea what to do.

Note the "little". We still have to do something about it. We can't let it keep going on and making buildings out of people, after all.

>>25346814
The single most powerful and ubiquitous aspect of draconic behavior is the hording instinct. Ssen's "horde" is a willing group of close friends and allies, and even at that she respects their individual wishes (no dragon would allow one-fifth of her horde to die or leave, and yet we've acknowledged Lea's right to choose either of those paths if she feels it necessary or when the time comes). As for all the "leviathan" traits, none of them are unique to leviathans, and we've shown distinctly un-leviathan behavior by using our weird sort of logic to actual effect rather than drifting around... doing whatever it was the leviathans did.

So really, our similarities to dragons and leviathans are superficial at best, except where a little too much of the draconic mindset shows through when Ssen gets worked up. And even that is something we've been trying to avoid.

>>25346688
We definitely should. I mean, this gives us some time to act and plan, but Citadel certainly isn't going to sit and twiddle its thumbs up its proverbial ass while we're out and about.

We should gather as much intel as we can, improve the economic and defensive connections between the rest of what WAS Citadel kingdom, help find ways to reinforce the economy where segments that were too much under Citadel's influence collapsed, and most of all try to rally the people. Because certainly no rational mind could deny that there is something VERY wrong about Citadel now, and our explanation about what happened and what needs to be done will be much more believable.

Really, Citadel's bitchfit in the last session is the best evidence we could have asked for to bolster our position: when it's not eating enough of your souls it throws a temper-tantrum.

>>25347012
Of course.
>>25347026
The Citadel seems content to sit about as a happy lump as the 5th said. It's probably too scared of us considering we personally offed it's mommies in a rather anticlimactic manner

Yo Echo, got a few ideas regarding a few of the suggestions I may or may not have made beforehand, if you want me to email them I can draft them up and send them tomorrow. A tornado kind of sort of got in the way of following this for a while.
Plus Citalump has given me worse ideas.

>>25347026
Speaking of the main cast and the "hoarding instinct", one thing we need to do once we get to a safe city is see if Mage can look into modifying the Dragon Servant bond so it's not as dependent on us. I mean, you saw what happened to Comedy when Peace died. Knowing us, we'll go into some situation, get in way over our heads, and if we go down we end up taking Tricia and Mage with us, even if they're doing something else. Or turn them into Ted 2.0 at best.

It would be especially useful if we ever decide to enact Plan Serpentguard. Because if we boost a lot of our associate's lifespans with the Dragon servant bond, then we've just made us the biggest load-bearing boss in the history of the world. Even if we don't age, we can still be killed by a sharp enough stick, and all someone needs to do is take us out and any operation using the Serpentguard is crippled.

>>25347026
>no dragon would allow one-fifth of her horde to die or leave, and yet we've acknowledged Lea's right to choose either of those paths if she feels it necessary or when the time comes

Good point. I always saw Ssen's interest in expanding her friends lifespans came from the fact that they're some of the only people she has that care about her, and she's scared to death of losing them from old age. She's already lost her father, which would also seem to add to that fear. Honestly, I don't think Ssen ever really got over the bombshell of "you're basically immortal" that Granny dropped on her", and she doesn't seem to be the kind of person that can "live and let live" like Granny does.

How old was Liam when he died anyway? He had to be in pretty good shape when he found Ssen, so that would make him sound like he's somewhere between 20-50, but it seems kind of unusual that he died less than twenty years later given that the average lifespan in the Citadel Kingdom is 85. Ssen is 18-19, right?

>>25347118
The dragon bond is a risky thing to do with other people. Reducing the reliance on us for survival is a real issue long-term, because the rapid aging was the real issue for Comedy

Are nightmares carnivores or omnivores? Looking through the archives, Lightmare is only shown to have eaten meat, but when Peri/Mari tie him up outside Citadel, they say there is fresh grass for him. So do they eat grass in addition to meat?

>>25347108
Always happy for more ideas. Whether or not I'll use them is another matter, but I like new ideas.

>>25347423
Roger roger, I'll work on a draft here shortly.
I may or may not have squealed like a girl when I found out about Blue Jay.

>>25347392
I think their diet is anything unfortunate enough to get within biting distance.

>>25347392
>Are nightmares carnivores or omnivores?

Omnivores, but given a choice they'll almost always eat meat. They can survive on vegetable matter just fine, they just prefer to know that they're eating someone's flesh, blood, and bone and by another's death, they grow stronger and will live longer.

Nightmares aren't nice creatures. It's fine around you guys, because lamia flesh is poisonous, Tricia's flesh is...well...transitory, Mage has magic, which means months of horrific heartburn, and Lea's flesh has the horrific taint of disease and rot in its flavor.

>>25347477
And Peri's an elf, or enough of one to qualify for it, and Nightmares don't like the taste of elf flesh.

>>25347458
>I think their diet is anything unfortunate enough to get within biting distance.

Basically, yeah.

>>25347503
>>25347491
>>25347477
It amuses me how our primary mode of transport is a rather neglected creature whose alignment cannot be described as being any better than true neutral if you were willing to be very generous.

Stupid endless evidence for being satan, we're trying to be a paladin here!

>>25347503
So does Lightmare actually... you know, like us? Or does he follow us around because he knows there'll be a lot of stuff to kill?

>>25347591
>a rather neglected creature whose alignment cannot be described as being any better than true neutral
So like a typical horse?

Okay, have to go. WOndering what theme song I'm gonna use. I'd like to use something that's NOT from an anime or was unsed in another work...

>>25347597
I recall him liking Lea.
>>25347616
The latter half of the sentence is rather important. Please don't cherry pick.

>>25347591
You could also put in a good argument for us being Moses. Found as a baby and raised by a race who is supposed to be our sworn enemy, as an adult fights the institution in order to "let our people go", and does so by causing all sorts of impossible situations and miracles.

>>25347597
I don't think he even likes us that much. He's always kind of "meh" coming back to him whenever we end up abandoning him somewhere.

Has anyone archived this thread?

>>25347629
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc
Maybe a little much?

>>25347629
Theme for what?

>>25347762
Actually, in a similar vein, this song feels a bit closer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZaaYKhRaA&list=RD02eJlN9jdQFSc

>>25347629
May not be the right genre to fit the theme of the quest but I've always found the lyrics strangely appropriate at times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkMZETXNYVQ

>>25347591
>>25347632
Horses don't make moral decisions. They're fucking horses. They don't have an alignment and neither does Nightmare. A dog isn't any more 'evil' than a rabbit just because it's a carnivore.

>>25348029
It's a bloody flaming horse!

>>25348056
racist

>>25348056
Looking evil doesn't make you evil, Citadel.

[x] Option 2 leading into option 1.

Anyone still here?

>>25348870
Yo.

It's just there's not much more to talk about. Still, I'd reiterate that using the time Citadel is spending throwing a hissyfit to our advantage would be good. We have quite a few things to deal with, and we have some time to deal with them now that the Dramatae's plots are essentially kaput.

Some good plans include an improved communications network, disseminating farming techniques that will help keep the post-Citadel agricultural output of the Kingdom at a reasonable level, ensuring adequate civil defense, and combating centuries of ingrained bigotry and hostility between the various intelligent races. The latter is particularly noteworthy, since I anticipate a lot more uncorrupted lamias, harpies, nagas, and other intelligent "monsters" to start coming into contact with farmers and townsfolk who will likely be struggling to adapt as it is.

It's not going to be pretty.

>> 25345198
You know, regarding the whole issue of "where are we going to find enough food to feed a bunch of newly sapient, carnivorous monsters", we could always try aquaculture. Farming tilapia is supposed to be something like ten times more efficent in producing meat than farming cattle mm

If we go with option 1 we're going to need a much better map of the continent.

>>25349535
>>25349535
We've been needing a better map for a while now...

Both options have appeal but if I had to choose just one I'd go with Option 2. We need to tie up loose ends and finish what we started, and we never got the chance to meet the other Caligo Clarus.

I also wouldn't say no to a retcon. In retrospect, if we had gone there for a final confrontation there is no way a single critical followed by a successful attack would have been enough to defeat Peace. The willingness to run with the unexpected change was commendable, but I think just letting us maim a Dramatae or two or at best kill Comedy by having her act as a human shield would have been enough payout for that crit. To be honest the victory feels hollow and I would very much have enjoyed the chance to play out the rest of conflict without the sudden victory.

>>25352445
The anticlimactic ending fits the story quite well. Echo said so himself

>>25352445

Anti-climax is half the point. Citadel doesn't get what it wants, that includes climatic battles.

>>25347910
I like this.

Okay, so it looks like we're going with Option 1, but there's going to be a big chunk of world building and changing before the invasion proper starts. Expect there to be some montage/compressed/sped up time, to get you from now to then, so you'll have control over what happens, but you wont have to deal with every meeting regarding crop rotation and grazing rights.

And don't worry, you WILL have option 2 happen. But there'll be some stuff that happens first.

Thanks again to everyone who's still following this, anons and trips. This has been a really fun experience, and I hope you guys have had fun too.

I'm a fan of option 1.

But really, they aren't mutually exclusive. Have option 1 lead into option 2.

>>25353152
I'm okay with this.

Really looking forward to seeing how the world will evolve now that citadel's malignant influence has gone and most of the monsters will become sapient.

Keep up the good work, Echo.

>>25347629

I think Little Talks from Of Monsters and Men would be great, personally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghb6eDopW8I

>>25353152
Sounds okay

>>25353152
Also, I made something for you. It's not balanced, but it's the thought that counts, right?

>>25353854
Wow. Probably should up the mana costs, but yeah, that's really very nice.

I've also been informed I've got a touch of Rahxephon in this now, with the giant domed area that's cut off from the rest of the world. I've seen that anime all of once, just the opening ep. I swear it was totally unintentional.

>>25354289
Probably true. I'm fishing around on another thread for tips, since I've never tried to balance a creature with level up.

And I haven't seen the series. It just seems to my mind like we made Citadel itself curl up in the fetal position.

>>25354355
>It just seems to my mind like we made Citadel itself curl up in the fetal position.

More like, Mommy isn't there to force him to go to school and play with others so he can take his toys and go home.

>>25354367
How would one spank a city, I wonder?

>>25354378
We have found Beacon's true purpose.

>>25354367
You aren't making the idea of befriending the thing feel any better.
>>25354396
We do need anyone more fetishes in the bedroom

>>25354406
>befriending
That boat sailed long ago man.

Unless we're talking Nanoha style. In which case I don't see the problem here.

>>25354406
That was never a particularly good idea. It steals souls and seduces people to evil through whispered promises and betrayals. It's like Satan possessed Lower Manhattan.

>>25354459
I guess we can just discipline it or something.
>>25354481
I thought we were satan...

>>25354481
>It's like Satan possessed Lower Manhattan.

Wait. I thought Satan already owned that.

>>25354491
No. I don't think you get it. This thing needs to go. The souls it has, it will not let go. Ever. We want those souls to move on not be stuck in Citadel forever.

I doubt this thing will be talked into willingly letting them go either.

>>25354406
>You aren't making the idea of befriending the thing feel any better.
Reread it again.

'School' is eating souls and mindrape. Since Peace isn't there to make it do anything...

>>25354507
We still don't know how much of this fucked up situation was Peace and how much was Citadel.

Until we get a definite answer on that I wouldn't make any bets on whether we can reason with Citadel or not.

>>25354491
Snakes aren't just important symbols in Abrahamic religions. Nagas especially were sacred guardians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_%28symbolism%29

>>25354492
Nah, he just owns a studio apartment there.

>>25352784
In character I can see why an anti-climatic resolution is good and denies Citadel what it wants. Out of character as a person who reads the quest for entertainment it doesn't make the sudden instant victory any more enjoyable.

Suppose it doesn't matter. Don't see anyone else calling for a retcon so there's no way it's happening.

Oh god there's a lamia Q&A thread

echo is probably gone by now, but I have ALL SORTS of ideas.

Julian is now the western sheriff of monstertown, for instance.

Also we should set up expeditions and shit going into the citadel field.

And somebody should, at some point, come at us with a retirement form. (Note: we will probably take it, use with caution)

Also, there will be problems getting the elves to be in charge of first wood, what with it being occupied already. Moral problems.

>>25355040
>Julian is now the western sheriff of monstertown, for instance.
Not really. Julian and Mab are capable of solving their own problems. Lots of people are now, thanks to your actions. You don't have to be everywhere, people can succeed and change things without your presence.

Odds are good that Julian and Mab can open the Grove, now that Comdey and Peace are gone. Julian's plan is to let the monsters go free/take them to Stone Hall, and let the elves have First Wood. Mab's happy to let Julian go, after his apology, but then she's going to be busy taking First Wood back.

>Also we should set up expeditions and shit going into the citadel field.
That is your goal. There's just a few problems. 1) How to get in without being mindwiped, or converted into building materials. 2) THe Lantern Mirrors have to be brought in too, how do you keep THEM from being converted or ripped away from you? 3) There might or might not be a big ass army of people who want the Citadel for themselves.

>And somebody should, at some point, come at us with a retirement form. (Note: we will probably take it, use with caution)

Are you kidding? There are only six Paladins that weren't in Citadel at the time. You, Avery, Balles, Julian, and two others. No way you're EVER retiring now.

>Also, there will be problems getting the elves to be in charge of first wood, what with it being occupied already. Moral problems.

Heh, very true.

>>25350733
>>25349535
Mapper here. I guess I'll get on that.

I'll ask echo for paramiters next thread, and if he frees me I'll add in extra villages and towns.

>>25355221
Oh! And I forgot!

We need to go explore the burning sands and the frozen north. Assemble expedition teams and send them out, send out exploration boats, we'll figure something out.

>>25355244
>>25355221
Wait a minute, let me re-read that again
>six paladins total outside of citadel
Uh oh. Uh oh a -lot-. This is going to turn out badly. Almost as badly as telling Isen he's the only newgate on the continent.

I guess our first order of business will be getting everyone up to speed.

>>25354654
I kinda like it. We went straight to Citadel, which was a bonehead play that the Dramatae couldn't have expected, created a situation where they couldn't set the rules of engagement, and struck while the iron was hot.

I don't suspect it's the last we've seen of Peace, especially. Souls wearing those masks go straight to Citadel, right? But still, we stopped the monster army, humbled Peace, saved HIS, and prevented the army of Citadel from launching an attack that could have undone what work we've done so far. Not to mention we ruined whatever plans Fifth was secretly cooking up as a bonus.

So it's a very appropriate end for what amounts to a frontal assault. "Who dares wins" and all that.

>>25355343
I fully expect peace and maybe, perhaps, comedy to come back using citadelrevivification.

Though, I had fully expected comedy to deflect that coup-de-gras spear blow, or at least jump in the way like we did with isen. A strange symmetry, that would have been. Though, we've been saying we'll kill someone for some vacation time for many threads now, we've finally followed through on that threat.

>>25355362
Now maybe Peace will understand what it is she's been subjecting people to. They say experience is the first step towards understanding.

Wouldn't that be an unexpected source of aid?

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>>25355380
If we managed to befriend peace by killing her, I will never again doubt the "befriend the shit out of them" crowd.

I wonder if peace had just never felt pain, or if she had forgotten pain after many centuries of peace. I still wonder as to her motivations.

>>25355416
Wasn't there some bit about her being the "daughter" of Citadel? Was that literal or was Peace so old she really thought that?

Could it really be that simple?

>>25355456
No no, she was the daughter of the dragon of shadows. It was on the shadow dragon's orders to peace that citadel was made

But... something happened to make her not do that. I've wanted to find out for a while. If she's building a universe-sized battering ram to punch down a cosmic entity who is going to eat us all or some shit, I'd like to know.

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>>25355343
>"Who dares wins"
Caligo Clarus confirmed for SAS

>>25355715
I've been meaning to ask about that.

We do an AWFUL lot of sneaking-around and then stabbing their leader. or subtly inserting agents to publicly disclose the corruption of the ruling class. Or triple agent missions to reduce elf/citadel violence. Or incognito disguise operations to get places unobserved.

Basically what I'm saying is we do an awful lot of sneaky, questionable wetwork for a paladin. Some kind of palassassin.

>>25355715
Though I suggested it, I don't think that sounds quiet... paladiny enough. Maybe "Qui audet adipiscitur"?

>>25355741
The dice gods seem to like sneakyness

>>25355741
I think it has been said in these threads thousands of times already, but lawful good does not mean lawful stupid.

And the closest we got to wetwork was during our raid on The Bear Tribe temple trying to liberate the monster manuals.

>>25355760
I'm okay with either.

>>25355775
>>25355787
Well, we may be disposed to sneakyness, but I mean we completely avoid open battle if at all possible. It's a bit weird in retrospect. I guess we might be naturally predisposed to sneaking, or at least that's what I'm blaming it on because I'm lamia-racist I guess.

How dare you call them monster manuals, now I can't not call them that.

>>25355809
Just box all the books up and sell it as a collection titled "Essential Combat Manuals for Fighting Non-Human Sentients"

>>25355843
Wait, scratch that, throw in the books on fighting humans too and call it the collection of combat manuals sorted by race

or something

>>25355856
>>25355843
we should have countless books on killing humans to use. If not, we can borrow some of the conclave's medical guides and draw in some stabbing-techniques.

Though, the books are really much more than that. The leviathan book, for instance, has a huge cookbook in there. We should read that one day- we ARE planning on making a victory meal for our comrades, are we not?

>>25355741
Winning battles without a battle... it's all very art-of-war, you see.

>>25355872
I'm not sure if anyone would really want to eat it.

Maybe Tricia

>>25356018
Nobody would want to eat it, of course. We made it with loving care, however, and will set it in front of them and watch expectantly. They'll eat it. At least a mouthful. More, depending on how polite/terrified (mage) they are.

>>25355956
We fuck that one up sometimes, but yeah. Also, we have a handy Isen to scrape battles/glory off on, when need be. He's our general, like it or not.

>>25355809
>Well, we may be disposed to sneakyness, but I mean we completely avoid open battle if at all possible. It's a bit weird in retrospect. I guess we might be naturally predisposed to sneaking, or at least that's what I'm blaming it on because I'm lamia-racist I guess.
When we fight, we usually end up getting hurt.

Getting hurt is bad.

>>25356075
well, that doesn't stop Idiots like Isen from volunteering for the vanguard. Should we ween him of that, by the way? He's much more important, politically, now.

>>25356126
...Oh shit, without destiny and Citadel running things he has no plot armor.

>>25356160
yeah, he's much more vulnerable now. I don't know how to tell him without breaking his poor heart.

>>25356160
I don't think he ever had plot armor. Just enough ego to keep bad stuff from happening to him.

>>25356178
Might as well straight up tell him, as we are already gonna tell him that he is king technically

>>25356160
>>25356198
He'll probably be really happy that there isn't any destiny anymore. He did say he wanted to earn all of it himself.

>>25356201
>You're king now
>Also you can't be in the vanguard any more, you don't have citadel-importance or fate any more
We're going to absolutely ruin his day. Poor guy. We should have a third piece of bad news, to complete the trifecta.

>>25356198
Well, citadel DID give him some royalty boosts during the fight against adahn. There was a lot of citadel magic flying around on that one.

>>25356198
He actually used his plot armor against Adahn to force a paradox-type situation.

>>25356243
>Your only remaining family is your sister that scares you
OR
>Your capital city has locked itself in its room, and I wouldn't advise going in to get it

>>25356243
>>25356248
>citadel hax on Isen
Hmmm... you know I don't recall that.

>>25356257
we also need a single, insignificant piece of good news to cheer him up.

Like that we're cooking up a meal for everybody.

Or that the little lamia girls are developing quite well in their swordplay.

Something relatively inconsequential to him directly, like that.

>>25356273
he did a big ego-bolstering speech that gave him something like a +1 for the rest of the fight. It wasn't much, but it was there.

>>25356300
>But the good news is that I -finally- have time off!

>>25356352
I though that was Isen being Isen truthfully.

>>25356300
>>25356353
Isen's day: 100% ruined.

We should perhaps invite him to join us on the beach after that bit of good news, as we DID tell him we'd invite him along next time we went. Day off and all.

>>25356367
Isen being Isen gives him bonuses from citadel, while citadel bonuses are in play. Citadel supports boastful nobility.

>>25356367
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Isen's much like Ava now. Technically the source of their magic is gone, but Ava's already had her connection severed, so she can keep what little she has left to keep her as Ava.

Isen never really HAD any Citadel juice in him. Not really. His demand for his own self-gratification, his narscissim, and unending need to be more than just another paragraph about another Itzak in the Citadel Royal history book...kind of crosswired a few things.

Basically, Isen took a natural connection to magic that his bloodline possessed, warped it, and made it his own. It's nowhere near as strong as any other source, but it's his own and no one else can use it but him, and maybe Tara.

So, the Dragon parallels continue.

And easy guide to self-created bloodline Magic:

Step 1: Be a Dragon...or Isen the Audacious, Lord King of Citadel Kingdom.

May His Light have mercy upon us all.

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>>25356412
We really should get Isen and the Old one in a room together. If we could harness the forces at work, we'd be able to power our industrial revolution off of it.

Also, I wonder if making Isen a more king-y king would make him more powerful. Some nobility are just so fucking noble that they can straight up order animals or nature to do their bidding.

>>25356447
If he orders us around I'm voting for us to black poison his ass.

>>25356412
I implore you to go to sleep, echo. It's like 3:30 in your timezone, and I want you fresh and rested for tuesday.

>>25356511
can't he already order us around? A good part of being noble or gaining the aspects of nobility is giving orders that really aught to be followed.

Well, other than the lecherousness, we can ignore orders coming from that.

>>25356546
You know what I mean.

>>25356575
yeah, but I doubt he'd do that. He doesn't seem to want to be king, after all.

Though, he may give us some unpleasant orders when we give him the news, as revenge. Though the deployment of my beach plot would most likely prevent such actions.

>>25356412
If thats the case, we should DEFINITELY tell him that he no longer has any plot armor.

The sheer ego boost that his continued invincibility in the face of that will send his power level over 9000, and beyond.

>>25356667
I'm going to hit the hay, so last one. Isen seems to be a pretty important asset here, blood of kings and all. I do wonder whether he or his scary sister is the one with the true claim to the throne.

Speaking of blood magic, I wonder how much time it would cost us to pick up a basic dragon healing spell. Probably months and months.

I really want to go with Option 1. Because it means we get the opportunity to menace dignitaries in their own language.

<I will melt your bones. No no no, this is not me being poetic. I will bite you and your bones will melt. You're painfully out of your depth little bird.>

>>25356816
that bracketing represents lizard tongue.

We should use a different one for bird tongue, so as to avoid confusion.

>Maybe reversed brackets?<

On a more on-topic note, we can menace dignitaries just by sneezing, given how many barbs/claws/acids we have.

>>25356747
We could use some gold old fashion paladin holy magic that isn't reliant on Beacon.

Maybe lay on hands or something. Hell we got a punch of left over quick silver and lantern coins and some masks, might as well use that stuff to maybe upgrade ourselves and/or our companions.
>>25356816
I just want to see the looks on their faces when a Lamia speaks phoenix tongue.

>>25356849
no, not reversed brackets, that causes
>implications
we'll figure something out.

>>25356859
{how about these guys?}

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>>25356852
>the looks on their faces
It really depends on how savvy they are. Reactions will range. Especially after they hear the stories and rumors about our hijinks.

As for a lay on hands, well, that's why I wanted some dragon magic. Dragons have some healing. We could learn draconic healing. I don't know how long that would take.
>>25356865
I don't mind them. Long as we have something other than the lizardbrackets.

>>25356849
Pretty sure it represented Phoenixese back before we got to Stone Hall.

>>25356916
well, I'm still for alternate markings for lizard and phoenix. We might have to be freaking interpereter for a phoenix and a lizard one day.

>>25356963
We'll just write a book at some point. It will require readers to be fluent in common, lizard and phoenix as well has the possession of a math degree if they aren't of levithan descent.

The parts that aren't' autobiographic are either puns or lesbian erotica.

>>25356986
Don't forget crude drawings that you need a mathematical calculator to look at!

>>25356996
The drawings turn out be a toss up between funny or erotic.

>>25357013
I do not envy whatever rag-tag band of adventurers has to use our book as their ancient-secret-wisdom.

Because I am certain that in the autobiographic parts there will be LOADS of ancient secret power facts. Bordered on either side by bad jokes and lewdness.

>>25357033
>be a century or so past the events of quest, young adventurers reading the part of the book on stonehall as they loiter in one of the parks
>we sneak up on them because we can tell they're reading the book
>they think we're dead because they've not read the bits about Lamia aging because they can only read common
>scare the shit out of them
Soon...

>>25357076
Ssen: Enact complex multi-century spanning ploys and publish a book just so you can startle unwary adventurers.

>>25357094
Do you think our Paladin stipend goes up when we promote ourselves to the head of our order?

Shit between that and the inevitable book profits we'll finally be able to let our companions buy new gear!

>>25356889
I propose curly braces, because curly braces are the fucking bomb.

{No diggity.}

>>25357928
They look kindy birdy anyways

>>25357165
We were the head of the order by default when we were the only one in the order. Now we're not the head of the order, that guy we've never met is.

>>25357983
He seized up I thought.

Besides, fuck him.

>>25357989
>Besides, fuck him.
You won't be saying that when we go back in there. Unless you want to try and defend five different array positions from the whole of Citadel with four people (Mage presumably will be occupied doing magic shit).

>>25358040
It's more of a "fuck him if he thinks he's gonna be in charge" sort of deal

>>25358069
What, you want to be in charge instead? Do you know how little time off the person in charge gets? Do you know how much stupid paperwork they have to fill in? It was fine when we were just in charge of ourselves but organising a whole order involves us settling down in Citadel and putting a lot of work in.

>>25358124
Delegation exists for a reason.

>>25358136
Yeah, so we can delegate being in charge to that guy who's so nicely volunteered to be in charge. If you want to be in charge of something go with that founding a school idea, at least that would actually do some good. There's no reason to try and take leadership from a guy who seems to be doing a perfectly good job.

>>25346279
>sadly, you'll not have a natural way to discover now
Who needs natural ways when you have dragon magic? If The Little Dragon Whose Name is Name because her Name is THE Name that Matters says she knows her ancestry, then she fucking knows it.

>>25344552
>The Dawnchasers go for broke, grab the Lantern Mirrors...
Okay, so we have spent a long time finding out that the First Lantern is not actually a lantern (which emits His Light) but an array of mirrors (which reflect it to form a fancy magic circle thing) and reconstructing it. It seemed like a good plan at the time.
>...and enter the dome.
>Citadel now has total control of the world
Here's the problem with that ancient plan. Times have changed. There's a massive dome blocking out the sun. There's nothing to reflect except whatever magic ambient light which comes from nowhere Citadel is providing and it is not going to let us kill it with that.

What we need is a Dawnchaser plan to literally bring Light back to Citadel so that we can metaphorically bring Light back to Citadel. Something like fighting the Citadel people for hours until we can unleash the mother of all Beacon flairs or getting inventor dude to build us a brillitite sun, only preferably not as shit.

>>25358177
I myself think the guy is totally willing to hand the reigns of his order over to us when we get there. Whether we want to or not.

>>25359716
I would be interested in us finding out about our dragon forebears in the process of figuring out a heal spell

>>25360139
My plan involves opening a breach into citadel with explosives, placing a brace into the breech to prevent it from growing back in, and then using mirrors to pump light to our lantern mirrors.

>>25346393
Well, she does like to redeem folk. That may be a pali-trait though.

Are we gonna have time for a training arc?

Will the main party ever exceed 5 people? (Well, 5 heads but whatever)

Dana felt more like a water only guest party member than a member.

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>>25346279
>Female Dragon
>Dragon book says pretty much all dragonspawn are results of dragon sided rape
>Leviathan tentaclespawn
I'm now viewing TDWDIDBSIWADI as pic related.

>>25360553
Dana is totally the optional-water-zone character, yes. I sort of like that.

I don't know if the party will actually expand past 5 people, though I personally want to switch it up a bit. Get each of our party members in charge of their own division of folks, get ourselves some new folks to boss around, and split up to deal with multiple problems at once.

Though, maybe after we steal some whisper flutes from somewhere. I'd like to stay in contact, on a personal note.

>>25360569
Yeah, probably pretty accurate. I don't look forward to Ssen once she hits 70ish, given how we already act with Tricia.

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>>25360594
>Of course the hands on sessions are part of the the training young acolyte.

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>>25360651
That's gonna be real awkward. We should probably just go into seclusion with some handsomest-manlizards monthly.

Though, I doubt we'll take on children into our combative schools, so the acolytes might not mind.

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>>25360718
I'd imagine it would rarely go too far, using the tease as a less terrible simulation for stress.

Though what I really hope is that we at least pick up a little bit of the phoenix aesthetic, especially if we befriend the fuck out of them.

>>25360770
I am 100% certain we will pick up some sweet phoenix tats if we go over there. I don't know how I'm certain, but I know it in my bones.

I'm less certain whether or not we'll befriend the fuck out of the phoenix empire, but chances are good that we will. Whatever happened to our pretty dress? The one we got for the ball room? I bet we ruined it by bleeding all over it. We should get another.

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>>25360810
China dresses are probably amaziningly perfect for us. Especially when they are made out of silk
Also jesus fuck I haven't had a dump lamias in a damn thread a good 20+ threads. Fuck changing situations. Now i have to go to job orientation. Fuck.

Are we gonna have time for a training arc?

Will the main party ever exceed 5 people? (Well, 5 heads but whatever)

Dana felt more like a

Is Mage the most physically inept of the group?

Can he even lift?

>>25360853
Enjoy your terrible job orientation, it will feed you financially. See you on tuesday.

I look forward to the many uses of their fabric, it'll be great.

>>25360883
Wow last post carried over

Being mobile is suffering

>>25360883
you messed up your editing a bit.

And I doubt mage even lifts. He's way too busy with the tasklist we have set before him. Though, he might not have to lift, since we lift and he "gains a small fraction of our power", whatever the hell that means, from being technically our lamia servant.

>>25360927
In our senile years will we have a zapp brannigan and kif relationship with Mage?

How is mages sister doing?

Could we get a mockup of stats? Doesn't even need to be numbers, letter grade, or even descriptionary (Mage con: Wimpy etc)

did peace ever truly love comedy?

>>25361049
We're sort of already the zapp to mage's kif. He's been plotting the perfect escape plan since the dagda operation.

I, too, would like to check in on his sister.

we should have asked

Rolled 64

>>25361049
Ssen is Zap.......Mage is Kif.....So does that mean that we'll sleep with Mage/kif ex?

Is Mage scared of his swag?

Sophie
Maxine/Mab
Devorah/Her illuminated self
His sister if his pillow talk with mab was being truthful
Escorted Mumei once too

You'd think the bright yellow boots would be a turn off

>>25361253
>His sister if his pillow talk with mab was being truthful
Pretty sure it was, he's told us about that before.

>>25361253
Maybe he's been researching ways to magically enhance his Hyper Weapon behind our back.

>>25361253
Mage doesn't realize how much swag he has. It's up to us, as our adoptive-older-sister, to introduce as many ladies as possible to his swag. He will thank us for this, one day. After he gets done cursing us for this.

>>25361209
the metaphor isn't that direct

Didn't that one gay birdguy that got pelted with arrows like him too?

>>25361312
that birdguy was paul, and I don't recall if paul liked mage. I mostly recall him A. being kinda scared of us and B. tanking like 60 goddamn arrows, what a champ.

>>25361312
Yeah, he did. I seem to remember Mumei rather liked bird guy too, but bird guy was gay.

I wonder if Mage can channel his dagda persona ala usopp vs perona fight

Is he really in any way related to the real dagda?

Maybe we should egg him on to take it up as his legal name...

>>25361366
Mage can straight up do elf magic with his Dagda-ness, if what Mab told us a while back was true. We need to collect on that little part of our treaty. Mage is totally the real Dagda, obviously. I think he already is legally Dagda, in elf law.

>>25360569

Ha!

If anyone important is still here, I think this quest has carried on long enough that newcomers won't have enough knowledge to play properly.

To remedy that, I think we should compile a complete movelist for the Dawnchasers.

What can Ssen do? Mage? Tricia? Lea? Peri/Mari? Do any of our allies, such as Isen, Julian, or Tara have their own special abilities? It'd streamline things immensely if we put all this into one spot.

>>25362895
we should really just update the 1d4 chan. all the plot stuff is way old.

>>25362895
The page on 1d4chan is rather up to date where combat is concerned.

Still needs to be updated

>>25361326
She still seems to like him even after being told the truth during the harpy meeting. I get the feeling Mumei is a Yaoi fangirl.

>>25363087
stop pointing out things that are entirely true in retrospect but I would rather not know

>>25362895
Or maybe a recap entry or something that introduces us to the major players (the Dawnchasers, Isen and Tara, the Dramatae, Citadel, and maybe Granny). Something more than the little blurb that's always at the front each session.

>>25363115
speaking of granny, she's gonna faint when we show her the dramatae heads. In the span of about a week, they went from the biggest enemy we know to slain.

>>25360139
I wonder, does Rage's teleport array still go into Citadel? Because it almost seems like that would be a lot safer than trying to make our way through the fantasy equivalent of the Source Wall. Especially since Echo implied that it might mess us up even if we manage to get through it.

>>25363153
Rage's array is most likely offline.

Whatever array tragedy, peace, and comedy used though... if we're lucky, they are still operational

>>25363138
It's like a previous anon said, when we go to get our mind off something, we do it HARDCORE. I can almost imagine what it will be like in the future.

Ssen: There, there daughter dear. I know you feel bad about your boyfriend (or girlfriend) breaking up with you, but I know what will get your mind off it!
Ssen's daughter: *sniffs* W...what?
Ssen: DEICIDE! I'll go get our things!

>>25363138
It will be interesting to say the least

>>25363205
That actually makes me wonder, are lamia a one-gender race? I thought Granny mentioned that there were male lamia, along with male lizard people, nagas, dragons, and the like.

>>25363288
I believe there are males

>>25363205
Our mind is totally off of how bad we felt that dad was dead, that is for sure.

Though, we'll probably take her to free the phoenix empire, we can't go to Deicide EVERY time. We'd run out. Also, we have the north and south to adventure! to.

>>25363208
Let's not do the heads thing while the littler snakes are around.

>>25363288
>>25363318
There are males, and I've been hoping to pass by a lizard or lamia group and scope out some hot bods later.

I just need to couch this desire in terms that sound official and required of a paladin. Inspection of new citizens. Something like that.

>>25363321
Well duh, showing kids a bunch of long decapitated heads ins't really a good idea

>>25363339
Poor Tricia. Not only are we sharing the bed wtih Clang, but also you're encouraging wandering eyes

>>25360569
I bet The Dragon Whose Name Is Redundant, Overly Long, And Egotistical was a joke among the other dragons due to her...activities with the other races. I mean, heck, Old One was seen as a weirdo and insulted behind his back due to his relatively progressive-minded attitudes towards the other races.

>>25363173
We don't have keys for those networks, though. Rage's granddaughter said her key could only be given freely, not taken, and they're not going to be giving us anything when they're dead. Maybe Mage could rewire them somehow?

>>25363364
I fully plan on getting Tricia to come inspect hot bods with me. Clang too.

>>25363344
>isn't really a good idea
That doesn't tend to stop us doing things in this quest though.

>>25363395
Emotional scarring of children can wait for our own blood.

>>25363395
>>25363420
so, just so we're all clear, no head-dumping in front of children if we can help it.

And if we are about to die, we will TRY to die without getting much blood on our kids. You know, for their sake.

>>25363321

We don't need to show her the heads, just the masks. She'll believe us when we say that we killed the rest of the Dramatae.

>>25363463
We could just shoo them out of the room or something

>>25363339
Given that lamia seem to be pretty rare (we've seen six in our entire trip, including us, and we know about three others), and Citadel put out a big bounty on us, I'd be worried about us becoming an endangered species in the future. So obviously we have to *cough* inspect *cough* the other members of our species to make sure there are enough healthy adults to keep us going.

All seriousness though, come on guys, that's not fair to Tricia. She shouldn't have to put up with that, especially since we did the dragon bonding ritual. The only way I could see it work is if we had a male lamia or other lizardfolk in the friend-zone that we could ask to be a surrogate father if we want to have "normal" lamia children with Tricia.

>>25363383
Hey, you know how large-bodied snakes mate. The males form a huge breeding ball with the females, with each male using his spurs (which are remnants of the hind legs) to tickle the female until she is receptive.

Does this mean Ssen has a tickling fetish?

>>25363482
and that would kill the immortality we got. We've got too many centuries of screwing with the heads of adventurers and new paladins

>>25363395
Yes, but we have established a difference between Dawnchaser-stupid (which is "stupid like a fox") and regular stupid (which is "the idea is just plain bad")

>>25363516
Agreed. Especially since our immortality is now tied to Tricia and Mage's immortality.

>>25363482
>>25363516
yeah, we'd be just shopping around at best.

Though, that leads to a problem. How does our race become not-extinct if everyone is not having kids so they don't die of old age? I am sort of worried.

>>25363534
Good old fashioned sharp pointed things

>>25363534
Supposedly, we live for centuries even if we had kids at every opportunity. Lamia don't become fully mature until 70 or so (which raises the question of how the hell they maintain a large-enough population to survive, given how long it takes to reach reproductive age).

>>25363383
Why am I suddenly imagining Clang's voice being like "Boxy Brown" from Aqua Teen Hunger Force?

>>25363534

There's bound to be those who get tired of living forever and/or decide that having offspring is more worth it than living for centuries at a time. For all we know, desiring a long lifespan might be anomalous amongst Lamia/Naga.

>>25363556
yes, this is a thing I have been worrying about. Especially that citadel is no longer around to smooth such issues over.

>>25363542
Aren't those... bad for our racial longevity? A bunch of guys with arrows has repeatedly shown to be our one weakness.

>>25363572
I misread your post.

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>>25363463

>Leviathan
>not being comically literal-minded

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>>25363563
Because he's too much for one woman! He's got to have two.

Yes, that's the voice I imagine it having too.

>>25363563
Yeah, pretty much it

>>25363339
That reminds me, when we talked to the lizards in Stone Hall, they seemed rather...simple. They were all about breeding and eggs. Is that just because we caught them at a weird time (with the ghoul invasion and all), or is it that dragontongue doesn't really lend itself to deep, thoughful conversation (given how our conversations with the kids went when we found them).

Actually, do lamia even [i]have[/i] a culture? All of the lamia we've seen have acted like wild, but intelligent animals (or, to put it another way, like feral humans who have essentially lived on their own all their lives).

>>25363613
Lamia culture either doesn't exist, or involves a few lamia assembling a horde of lizardmen if at all possible. Those are the general paths it seems to go. The ones that are actually intelligent and free from citadel tend to just live out somewhere safe and take game from the nearby lands.

Also, I think it might just be a culture difference. Lizard men are like the french or something.

>>25363613
Or they never had the chance to develop a culture of their own, given that until recently they were second-class citizens living in a literal sewer.

Even if lamia do have a culture, the question also exists of whether it can integrate with everyone else. Since First Wood, there has been a big question of cultural isolation versus integration. Like we saw with the Fey Laws, is it worth keeping old customs because they're yours, even if they're cruel, outdated, and no one else wants them around? But at the same time most people would agree that Citadel paving over your culture is a BAD THING.

>>25363647
>Lizard men are like the french

BRB removing all Mesoamerican cultural styles from my lizardmen and replacing them with Frankish.

>>25363756
Por que no los dos? A species can have more than one culture. Stone Hall lizardmen could be French-inspired, while those in other parts of the world could have a more Mesoamerican-inspired motif.

>>25363809

This would be a considerable and interesting supposition.

IF there were any other colonies of Lizardmen in the world.

>>25363841
you know, there used to be humans to the north and south. Wonder what else is out there.

Also, there's more things on the continent of the phoenix than the phoenix empire. Who knows what's in those.

>>25363841
Citadel managed to get their hands on a bunch, and there were at least some in the area around River's Crossing, given that Ssen's biological father was a lizardman (apparently).

>>25363854
Possibly a not-India (given that the Phoenix Empire is a not-Asia), where lamia and naga aren't treated like feral monsters (perhaps a mashup with that and the Mesoamerican Quetzalcoatl).

I think there are still humans to the north and the south. We almost created not-Canada when we were thinking about chucking Citadel up there where the only damage it could do was "some overly content moose".

>>25363888
I'm now imagining what the personalities of modern nation-state land spirits would be like.

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>>25363919
I have a pretty good idea what it'd be like.

>>25363919
We have that. Actually, we have TWO of those. There's Axis Powers Hetalia, and Scandinavia and the World.

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>>25363888

Or alternatively we could throw it into Dark Peaks and have those two 'dragons' duke it out for all time.

>>25363919
Subject: Liberty Prime Quotes Mon May 04, 2009 9:50 pm
* "COMMUNISM IS A LIE."
* "DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM."
* "COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE."
* "FREEDOM... IS THE SOVEREIGN RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN."
* "EMBRACE DEMOCRACY, OR YOU WILL BE ERADICATED."
* "DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE."
* "COMMUNISTS DETECTED ON AMERICAN SOIL. LETHAL FORCE ENGAGED."
* "COMMUNISM IS A TEMPORARY SETBACK ON THE ROAD TO FREEDOM."
* "INITIATING DIRECTIVE #7395: DESTROY ALL COMMUNISTS!"

>>25363962
They wouldn't duke it out. Shadow Dragon made Citadel as a tool and you're giving it back to him.

>>25363962
Of course, the last time someone threw a land spirit into Dark Peaks, it almost ended up wiping out the harpy race.

I wonder if all the lamias in the world could have a unified society.

>>25364031
poor world...

>>25364038
>Let's all build an irrigation system for our farms!
And thus began the great flood

>>25364038
Hey, there's no evidence that all the lamia in the world are as crazy as we are. Just...a decent chance. Leviathan heritage and all that.

>>25364053
Hey, we have to get the water for the fish farms from *somewhere*, right?

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I wonder if there will be any Dramatae holdouts? Also surprised nobody posted this pic back in bronze peak.

>>25363377
>Maybe Mage could rewire them somehow?
That's what I was thinking. We know that has to be a connecting part of the teleport network in Bronze Peak that we never destroyed.
Plus there's the conclave in White Tree. Sure it may be surrounded by racists but it is still there and we have used it before so its still a possibility. Plan on Rage's study to be trapped like anything though.

The Paladin thing. The continent at the moment has a massive lack of Paladins, going by the other posts. We'll need to be on the lookout for those that fit the qualifications more than ever before. Even if we were to only find potential Reds that would be something.

>>25364057
also, our human comrades really helped us be crazy. They often came up with the crazy plan, and we accomodated it.

Let's not forget the amount of madness an adventuring career provides as well- the craziest thing we would have done if we stayed home is sleigh together some moose we caught to a sled so we can finally get around like those horseback people can.

>>25364031
We should probably put out a message to the various cities to send any intelligent lamias our way, if they can be reasoned with.

Because the risk of several living avatars of poison running around unchecked is one I'd rather not take. Uncorrupted lamias are really fucking dangerous.

>>25364068
I forgot we were doing fish farms. I really like that plan, it sounds delicious.

Can we farm crabs, too?

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>>25364076

If the new Caligo Clarus in Citadel are any indication, paladins will start popping up of their own accord.

That was very wierd, by the way. It's almost like we're some sort of batman analog.

>She's a symbol. She's shows us we don't need to be afraid of people like you!

I really hope that no Joker analogs appear any time soon.

>>25364140
I think so. Lobsters are a no-go as they are assholes

>>25364140
Depends on the kind of crab. Flower crabs for example would work, as they live in relatively shallow estuaries. Snow or king crabs live in deep, cold waters, and as such would be difficult to "farm".

>>25364161
The difference between Batman and Ssen is that Ssen has no problem melting your skeleton

>>25364140
>>25364176
Some species of crabs are only found in freshwater. If there are any giant relatives of them in this world, they would work. Of course for the short term there are a lot of fish that are really efficient in their feed-to-flesh ratio. And we can even feed them on sewage!

>>25364101
we should probably at least give out "dealing with intelligent lamia" flyers.

>>25364161
I'm pretty sure we just killed our joker analogue. Which means we're terrible batmans.

>>25364171
>>25364176
well, I don't really mean can we farm them as is it economical to farm them? What do crabs eat? We'll have to grow lots of plankton or kelp or krill or whatever.

>>25364161
Really, I'd be concerned about that. Not everyone is cut out for being a Paladin.

Also, the new Caligo Clarus were communicating with "our Father" via Peace's bullshittery. I'm not sure we'll be able to tease those events apart at this point, but it does warrant our attention. If Liam has been reanimated in some capacity, we need to re-kill him and counteract any damage Peace has done in his name.

>>25364223
Depends on the crab i suppose. Lobsters are impossible to far due to them being assholes but I think crabs are a bit more tame

>>25364211
Catfish are good to farm.
>>25364223
Same goes for Nagas and other species. Because like I said a good time ago, they're going to be coming out of the woodwork and interacting with humans who are going to be having some difficulties.

All this talk of various aquatic life is starting to make me hungry

>>25364278
Same. I gotta reheat some pizza.

I wish I could make some seafood pesto, but I have no fresh seafood.