>>25953673
“You don’t want to do this, Jason. You really don’t.”

“I know, man, I know. This isn’t how things were supposed to go. Believe me, if I had another option... But I don’t have a choice any more.”

“That’s not what I meant, Jason. Let Avril go. You have no idea how badly you’ve screwed up here. Do you know what’ll happen to you if you hurt her?”

He laughs nervously. “Is it supposed to be worse than what happens if I go back and say ‘Sorry, boss, I didn’t get what you wanted’? I’m a little bit low on choices here, Chris. Just... just give me a little bit of blood, and everything works out okay, yeah? No-one gets hurt. No-one has to get angry. You get your girlfriend back, everyone walks away happy.”

[]”You’ve got a deal, Jason. But if you harm one hair on her head, you’re dead meat.”
[]”Let Avril go first. I’m not making any deals while she’s got a knife to her throat.”
[]”Not a chance, Jason. You’re not the one giving the orders around here. Let her go and walk away.”
[]Other

It's happeding. Also I say we freak out and kick his ass.

Or push his hand. No way he'd get blood out of us if he harms our pet. And I'm sure his bosses won't want us dead.

>>25953708
[] not a chance basically.

Can't we somehow get him on our side and away from his overlords?

>>25953678
>[x]”Let Avril go first. I’m not making any deals while she’s got a knife to her throat.”

Oh fuu-

Option 1 means they get our blood. Option 2 means they get our blood or decide to kill Avril. Option 3 means they kill Avril.

>[x] Let Avril go first.
Maybe we'll be able to escape or something once that knife's a bit further from her throat.

>>25953673
New to this. Recall that Christopher likes mathematics, but nothing else.

What is level of physical fitness?

>>25953678
[ ] You are not hurting her. Or you are worse than dead. *chuckle* Again. So you have nothing to bargain with.

>>25953761
We are dead, still have all our limbs.

>>25953678
Let the girl go and then we talk.
We've got to be in control of negotiations.

>>25953761
((You're a bit hardier than you were while alive. You could probably throw a punch reasonably well, and you're not too out of shape. You're not Superman, though, and you're pretty heavily outnumbered. There's four guys with Jason and they're all pretty bulked-out adults.))

>>25953678
[x]”Not a chance, Jason. You’re not the one giving the orders around here. Let her go and walk away.”

Summon vast phenomenal undead powers. Oh wait wrong system.

Carry on

Like it or not, he has a clear advantage that we really can't surmount. Get the knife removed first, then give the blood, but keep an eye on what he does with it. When we've got Avril we can physically attack Jason using surprise to get the blood and split.

>>25953761
By meta we shouldn't be anything special, these guys can take us in a straight fight for sure.

>>25953784
Will have to improve constitution.

Do not know of relationship with Avril. Assuming close.

>[]”Let Avril go first. I’m not making any deals while she’s got a knife to her throat.”

Of course plan is to attack once she is safe.

>>25953804
Oh, and that last bit very well may fail. We should direct Avril to flee to safety first, and be prepared to bolt.

By meta, the most that can be done with our blood as far as I know is someone can get a free string on us, but that's assuming only core skins. At any rate, our blood is probably the least they'll be getting from us if we don't roll very well on that snatch-and-run roll.

>>25953814
>Assuming close.
Very close. The one person we trust with the truth of our condition.
Also apparently she's a Fae, and her dad REALLY will not be happy if harm befalls her while she's our girlfriend.

>>25953827
If worst comes to it we bargain with him somehow.

>>25953814
>Will have to improve constitution.
That would be volatility in this. And it's nowhere near the highest priority.
>Do not know of relationship with Avril. Assuming close.
She's the quest's premier waifu.
>Of course plan is to attack once she is safe.
No way in hell we can take five guys.

>>25953851
Worst comes to it we freak out and go psycho. (Meta speaking)

>>25953678
((Writing now))

Rolled 4

>>25953875
Well, no. Worst is Avril gets her throat cut, we get held down, and instead of just a drop of blood, an entire vial (200mL) gets extracted from us. Then we have to answer to Avril's dad about the hankypanky we've been engaged in.

>>25953851
If worst comes to it we die and get better a few hours later, I'm reasonably certain.

>>25953875
Our darkest self makes us pursue our hungers destroying everything in our way. In this case, the only hunger we can solve that easily is sex with Avril. If we could fight our way to her this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

>>25953875
>>25953804
>>25953827
>meta
Could you put away your rulebook and play? You are ruining any suspens of what we are, what other are/can do.

>>25953843
We still need to meet this guy. I envision a beast of a man. Partly drunk and more bear than man ( assuming Ireland has bears)

damn, i was late to vote. i hope we vont be giving our blood.

>>25953918
>and instead of just a drop of blood, an entire vial (200mL) gets extracted from us.
Pretty sure quantity doesn't matter.

>>25953929
What is meta?

>>25953929
>implying I need to refer to a rulebook for this
But sorry, I'll try to at least spoil it from here on out.

>>25953940
What the fuck else could we be doing? Let him kill our girl and probably still get the blood by force?

>>25953970
if you are gonna suggest something, even if you are basing it on meta, just suggest it. you dont need to let people know.

>>25954008
It is quite annoying for people who have no knowledge of the setting.

>>25953926
You forget our key desire is to be in control. Which we blatantly aren't right now

>>25954008
That's worse, unless you can think of a justification in character.

>>25954019
yes i agree, its annoying even for me despite knowing the setting.

>>25953964
"Meta" is second-level thought. For example, metagaming in D&D is using knowledge from outside the game (like reading sourcebooks/modules) rather than in-character knowledge. Metagaming in Magic is knowledge of what other people are playing, and adapting your decks to meet that, rather than looking at your deck in a vacuum.

Meta in conversation is talking about the conversation. Sometimes it happens to multiple degrees, so there's meta conversation about meta conversation. It's a way of muddying debates.

>>25954026
then it'll just be considered a dumb idea without any base and be ignored by majority. so all is well.

>>25954008
I don't think there's any solution, though. Pretty sure we're outplayed for now.

>>25953907
"Let Avril go first, Jason. Then we can talk. Show of good faith, right? I came here alone, after all. You didn't."

Jason frowns. "Try anything stupid, and these guys will beat you to a pulp, you got it?" He nods to the man holding Avril, and the knife is carefully put away. The goon shoves Avril towards you, not bothering to untie the ropes around her hands or ankles. You pull the tape from her mouth, at least, and she turns and snarls at Jason. "You think you're going to get away with this, you bastard? Your master won't protect you from the Hunt forever."

Jason looks frightened, but he recovers quickly. "I'll... I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Now, Chris." He tosses you a small glass vial with a needle taped to the side. "One little drop of blood, and all of this goes away, okay? You don't need to worry about what it's for. Put the blood in the vial and put it on the ground, and we'll let you both walk away."

[]Give him a drop of blood.
[]Try and persuade him that he doesn't need to do this.
[]Avril is safe. Go for Jason. Beat the shit out of him and maybe his goons won't interfere.
[]Get Avril's legs free and try to run.
[]Other

"Jason, I won't do anything while all of you are threating to hurt her. If you want this situation to resolve, you will have to promise me...no, to promise Avril, that she will not be harmed"

We should try something like this.

>>25954057
we are in a park tehre is a high possibility that there are people around after a short run.
run for it.

>>25954057
[x] Other
Talk him down I wrote out 1 last thread revolving around the fact that he really can't touch us. If he tries there will be corpses, make sure he understands this. If we end up fighting him he'll get his blood but then we just go to the police and he's even further fucked then he currently is.

>>25954066
Not sure, her magic works with both sides bringing somthing to the table.
But, yes try this.

>>25954057
>[x]Avril is safe. Go for Jason. Beat the shit out of him and maybe his goons won't interfere.

This bastard tried to take what is OURS, tried to harm what is OURS, when we are finished, we won't recognize his face

>>25954057
Why are those men allied with him? How loyal?

>>25954057
>[x]Try and persuade him that he doesn't need to do this.
and press him for more details ("I don't need to worry about it? How can I not worry about it!") while nonchalantly freeing Avril's legs in case running becomes appropriate.

>>25954057
[]Avril is safe. Go for Jason. Beat the shit out of him and maybe his goons won't interfere.
[]Get Avril's legs free and try to run.

One of these.

>>25954057
Well, Avril's still tied so I don't think we can untie her before putting blood in the thing. Let's put blood in it now, say "see, it's here" and then untie her on the premise that we'll leave the blood while taking Avril, but not outright handing it to him. If we're lucky maybe we could get away with it. If we were smarter we'd have some pig's blood or something, but hindsight is 20/20.

>>25954093
((You have no idea. They're just big, muscly thugs who seem to be following his orders. They haven't said anything yet.))

[]Get Avril's legs free.
-[x] Then take the vial and pretend you're going to give blood. Then smash it in Jason's face (or throw it at him) and run like hell.

>>25954093
They're presumably goons sent by whoever's after our blood, which means they'll likely be more loyal to that cause than Jason himself will.

OTOH, that means they might not interfere with a fight if they think we'll still give them the blood after beating up Jason.

And they might turn out to be just pals of Jason's, with no loyalty to him or his mystery paymasters.

>>25954057
[x] Try and persuade him that he doesn't need to do this.
Let's roll

>>25954057
Fine you win. But first at least let me know how you came to this. We used to be super close. What sent you down this road.

Maximum persuasion. Learn about him, find a weakness. Stall for time

>>25954057
Christopher needs to learn hand-to-hand combat if he is going to be getting into these situations.

I suspect the men want our blood, so even if we pummel Jason we'll have them to deal with. Untying her is unfeasible.

Pummel Jason. Even if it does not work it will teach him a lesson.

[]Avril is safe. Go for Jason. Beat the shit out of him and maybe his goons won't interfere.

>>25954135
I like this. Hand the blood to a guard. Beat up Jason. Everyone wins

>>25954171
Except we still lose, it just means Jason gets beat up so he loses too.

>>25954171
NO DO NOT GIVE BLOOD TO UNKNOWN DARK FORCES.

>>25954171
Nope, we lose our blood if we lose the fight.

>>25954183
specially if they want it bad.

>>25954183
It's not a good thing but there's no other choice.

Him letting Avril go makes us think he is dumb as fuck.
The "convince him" option seems the best. Unless we underestimate him. Then hue ensues.

>>25954057
((Ok, looks like fighting just barely beats persuading, 5 votes to 4.Writing now.))

>>25954190
Will spitting in the vial have any affect other than being badass

>>25954208
Of course there is, you forget that we have magic persuasion and threats. Seriously does he think there will be no horrific repercussions from this?

>>25954208
Even faced with defeat we must not yield. It's the principle of fighting back.

>>25954057
[X]Other
Do you promise to let us go free if I put the blood into the vial?

>>25954219
You take the vial, prick your finger, and put a small drop of blood in it. Then you start to untie Avril's hands and legs. She gives you a quick look, and you nod at her, then turn to Jason.

"Okay, Jason. One last thing. Catch!"

You toss the vial as high in the air as you can, and as Jason's eyes track it up, you launch yourself at him.

((Roll 2d6.))

>>25954224
Me thinks boss that da boyz are jus rearin fur a Gud fight!!

>>25954257
Waaaaaaaagh!

Rolled 1, 1 = 2

>>25954257
Let's see how badly we get mauled.

Rolled 6, 2 = 8

>>25954257

Rolled 2, 4 = 6

>>25954257
Waaaaaaagh!

Rolled 6, 3 = 9

>>25954257

>>25954272
Ok, 8 should be enough to at least hit him square in the jaw.

>>25954270
You should kill yourself.

>>25954270
You weren't in the previous threads, were you?

>>25954270

You. Never roll dice again.

>>25954289
So how does the rolling work here?

>>25954272
((This is a success, but it's not an unqualified success.))

You slam into Jason, knocking him back against a tree, and start beating on him. Of course, in a fight things don't always go your way. But at least you're on top. In control.

[]Jason's giving as good as he gets. His thugs haven't moved to intervene yet, but he knows how to fight.
[]Jason's seen your concern for Avril, seen your anger. He knows what buttons to push now.
[]Your anger is rising up, overwhelming you. You're not going to let anyone get in your way or stop you from doing what you want. Not any more.

>>25954310
((Best of first 2 rolls. Also apparently the dice really love the MC. I don't think we've failed a roll so far.))

[]Your anger is rising up, overwhelming you. You're not going to let anyone get in your way or stop you from doing what you want. Not any more.

Darkest self is go.

>>25954366
>[]Your anger is rising up, overwhelming you. You're not going to let anyone get in your way or stop you from doing what you want. Not any more.
I am confused as to what these options mean in terms of player actions...

>>25954366
I'm not understanding these options...

>>25954366
Okay, that's a really interesting way of determining the result of combat. Stolen.

[X] HULK SMASH PUNY DRUG-DEALER

>>25954366
W-wait, this is confusing.

>>25954405
>>25954407
We have to choose between 3 negative outcomes. First one means we get hurt, second one means he gets emotional power over us in future, third means we lose control of our own actions.

>>25954407
>>25954405
>>25954423

A( Take Harm
B( He takes a String
C( We become our Darkest Self

>>25954366
These options. So we choose how we lose?
[] We hit the brain first, he doesn't understand anything anymore.

>>25954405
>>25954407

You got a 'qualified success' on your roll to lash out at Jason, which means you have to pick one from a short list of negative side-effects. You're currently inflicting 'harm' [damage] on Jason. The first option means that you'll suffer harm as well. The second option means that he gets a String on you - the ability to manipulate you emotionally, to spend at a later date. The third option triggers your Darkest Self - you'll focus on feeding your Hungers by the most direct and violent means possible.

>>25954430
>third means we lose control of our own actions.

That is not the impression I got at all...

>>25954430
>>25954439
>>25954446
right, in that case, I change my vote from >>25954405
to
>>25954366
>[]Jason's giving as good as he gets. His thugs haven't moved to intervene yet, but he knows how to fight.

>>25954366
[]Jason's giving as good as he gets. His thugs haven't moved to intervene yet, but he knows how to fight.
And not the 3rd option pls.

>>25954366
>[x]Jason's giving as good as he gets. His thugs haven't moved to intervene yet, but he knows how to fight.

>>25954366
>[X]Jason's giving as good as he gets. His thugs haven't moved to intervene yet, but he knows how to fight.
I'd rather not lose control here.
We're not losing our cool.
Never.

>>25954409
I think there events not choices. Either way we need to regain control of ourselves

>>25954366
[x]Jason's giving as good as he gets. His thugs haven't moved to intervene yet, but he knows how to fight.
Losing our cool is as bad, as it means we lose our control.

>>25954447
3rd option means the "keep cool" trait we took last time would be wasted?

Hulk out and smash him!!!!!

>>25954430
>>25954449
Giving into your Darkest Self won't rob you as players of agency, but your view on the world will shift massively, your options will change, and your Hungers will be overwhelming.

>>25954488
No, your stats wouldn't change - and it's not a permanent effect anyway. It might last for a while, though - an hour or two, say.

Rolled 1, 5 = 6

>>25954366
[]Your anger is rising up, overwhelming you. You're not going to let anyone get in your way or stop you from doing what you want. Not any more.

This one.

Hmm, what about the blood we put in the vial? Did the vial break and it went to waste?

If we take Harm, we might lose blood too, btw.

>>25954498
The "not any more" was confusing. If not permanent, I change >>25954465 to
[]Your anger is rising up, overwhelming you.

>>25954366
>[x]Your anger is rising up, overwhelming you.
Let's show him just what he's been messing with.

We go the first one. Physical harm is better than having leverage over us, and better than us becoming something that wasn't in the plan.

>>25954510
No, we shouldn't let the vial break. Else the guy can get away with getting some of it on a fragment of glass.

>>25954366
[]Your anger is rising up, overwhelming you. You're not going to let anyone get in your way or stop you from doing what you want. Not any more.

Yes. This is good.

>>25954512
It IS permanent. This would be a permanent change to who we are as a character.
The talk about not being a permanent effect is talking about our "Keep Cool" trait we got last time.

>>25954536 here
Shit, we've thrown it? Well no need to fight, we virtually gave our blood to anyone that cares enough to find it.
[] Cry in shame for being a retard.

>>25954565
((Actually, the Darkest Self has specific ending conditions for each character. In your case it involves someone fending you off or restraining you from feeding for long enough for you to regain your composure. At that point it ends and you go back to normal - although obviously the consequences of whatever you did in that state remain.))

>>25954552
>Yes. This is good.
How is no longer being who we are a good thing?
Do you even understand the stakes here?

I'm pretty sure or darkest its less than an hour at most. And we can be calmed down by someone. Or by regaining control

>>25954565
It's not permanent.

>>25954366
[x] Jason is giving as good as he gets

>>25954599
We'd have to be restrained, and I don't believe we have the option of regaining control except by someone forcibly keeping us from feeding.
Being in such a state really isn't a good idea when we are outnumbered by people bigger and stronger than us.

>>25954589
It seems there's a lot of confusion about the mechanical side of things here, so I'm going to spell things out in slightly more meta terms than usual.

Option 1: You suffer 1 harm - enough that you'll be bruised and bloody, but not enough that you'll need to go to the hospital. That's also how much harm Jason is currently suffering.

Option 2: Jason gets a String on you, which he can spend later to impede your efforts, inflict a problematic Condition on you, or expose you to extra danger in various ways. It's more of a long-term thing than the immediate 'harm', though.

Option 3: You become your Darkest Self for a short while, destroying anything that gets in the way of feeding your Hungers (for control, and for sex with Avril) and feeding relentlessly. This ends once someone restrains you or fends you off for a short while - long enough for you to regain your composure.

I'm also going to extend voting time a bit so people can take account of this in considering their votes. If you want to change your vote, please link to your previous post for ease of counting.

>>25954661
>Option 3: You become your Darkest Self for a short while, destroying anything that gets in the way of feeding your Hungers (for control, and for sex with Avril) and feeding relentlessly. This ends once someone restrains you or fends you off for a short while - long enough for you to regain your composure.

I stand by my decision.

Option 3

>>25954661
Would Avril's pledge to be ours make it hard for her to restrain us or fend us off?

>>25954661
I stand by my change in >>25954456

>>25954661
Do we get this kind of things happening at each round where we get not a perfect hit?

With this in account. Lets get some bruises.

He fights better than we thought

>>25954661
Option 3. I see nothing wrong with butchering these fucks and screwing Avril atop their twitching corpses.

>>25954661
>This ends once someone restrains you or fends you off for a short while
So it won't end, even after feeding our hungers, unless we are restrained and kept from feeding them?

>>25954661

I vote option 1.

>>25954690
This is not D&D. Combat doesn't work in "rounds" but in what is appropriate to the narrative.

>>25954661
>Option 3

>>25954690
Physical violence is quite a risky thing in Monsterhearts. Fights are short, brutal and bloody for both sides.

>>25954685
Quite possibly.

>>25954699
That's correct.

>>25954690

Yes, these kind of options happen everytime we haven't rolled 10+ on a roll. And if we want to hurt him some more we would need to roll again. But 1 Harm is pretty intense since it's 1/4 Harm.

>>25954661
>1
we are not afraid to get bloody when it IS necessary.

>>25954731
To prevent someone to get our blood. What.

I voted Darkest Self because I don't want a String hanging over our heads in future and because I want to win this fight: us and Jason each beating each other up isn't winning.

I'd rather a blooded self to a scarred girlfriend

>>25954731
Except then he gets our blood, so he has a string on us AND we get hurt.

>>25954661
I don't see much of a choice.
1: we don't want to give blood, so no pissing blood everywhere
2: Long term shit by an asshole that want us to be some bag of meat
3: ok

I keep my choice of 3.

>>25954661
((Okay, tallying votes now. Please hold.))

[X] Option 3

No letting blood spill, damnit. At least not Chris' blood. option 1 should be out of consideration.

(also, QM, you should archive this thread ebfore the troll does it)

>>25954772
>we don't want to give blood, so no pissing blood everywhere
This is kind of pointless since we already filled up the vial and threw it, isn't it?

i would like mh's clarification on this but im pretty sure our blood spilled around from fighting wont do, we need to give it to them. or else why bother with all this? they would just throw a punch without even telling us anything and be done with it.

>>25954814
Yeah, OP fucked us with that. I'm >>25954568 and I still don't know why we fight unless we love to get our fists to hurt.

>>25954846
we throw the vial and tackled jason using the oppurtinity, we can just get the vial when we are done with this fight, that is if jason doesnt get to it first of course.

>>25954814
>>25954846
You threw it pretty high up in the air, and it's a pretty small vial. If no-one actively catches it, it'll smash and your blood will just spill on the ground.
>>25954845
They'd presumably need pure blood.

>>25954796
9 votes for option 1.
10 votes for option 3.

Writing now.

>>25954876
inb4 Gaia mind control us.
I'm calling it.

>>25954897
Jason tried to trick you and trap you. To order you around. He tried to take Avril away from you. She's yours. How dare he?

You punch him over and over again. His face is a mess. Your fists are covered in blood. One of the thugs tries to pull you off Jason, and you lash out with a vicious punch that nearly takes his jaw off. He falls to the ground. The rest of them scatter as you get up, stalking towards Avril. There's a dark, thick string of pleasure and Hunger running through your mind. It feels so good to feed it. You just can't get enough of that sweet feeling when someone kneels before you, completely in your power.

[]"Avril. Bind them to me. They're never going to challenge me again."
[]Rip Avril's clothes off. You have more than one way to feast, after all.
[]"Time for some deeper pledges, Avril dear. I want to be in *complete* control of you. None of your other promises are going to override your obedience to me. Whatever the cost."

>>25955072
[]"Avril. Bind them to me. They're never going to challenge me again."

Domination is nice.

>>25955072
>[X]"Avril. Bind them to me. They're never going to challenge me again."

>>25955096
Nope, in her deals we must give something.
[]Rip Avril's clothes off.

I'd rather not test how much sexual violence Avril can endure before she starts to scar mentally.
Just saying, it wouldn't do to hurt one of our own.

Polite sage.

>>25955129
I'm new here and don't really understand the rules. Why is sex necessary? I think binding his thugs is more important.

>>25955072
[x]Rip Avril's clothes off. You have more than one way to feast, after all.

The mooks could be, and Jason is, indebted to someone of quite some power. Taking these mooks away from them would constitute a hostile act, and could get us deep in trouble.

And messing around with promises with a Fey could be even more dangerous when Avril's dad finds out.

>>25955072
[x]"Avril. Bind them to me. They're never going to challenge me again."

>>25955160

We have two Hungers. One is for Sex with Avril, the other is for Control.

>>25955072
[X]Rip Avril's clothes off. You have more than one way to feast, after all.
Guys... I hope she'll be fine.
The other shit is gonna put us into really deep waters though.

>>25955160
A Fae binding contract, as Avril explained it, requires that we give something in exchange. That's the danger in asking her to bind people for us.

As for the sex, that's one of the Hungers that we have, and unless someone holds us down so that we can regain our composure, we CAN'T resist our Hungers. And there's no time limit.

>>25955072
[x]Rip Avril's clothes off. You have more than one way to feast, after all.

>>25955200
I fail to see why our hunger for control cannot supersede our hunger for sex in this instance. Let's either bind the thugs, or make Avril pledge so that we are in complete control.

>>25955072
[X]"Avril. Bind them to me. They're never going to challenge me again."

>>25955214
Because either one of the options for feeding our Hunger for control can land us in really deep shit.
The Hunger for sex is the least of three shitty consequences.

You don't see the dangers in either of the two bindings?

>>25955072
>[]Rip Avril's clothes off. You have more than one way to feast, after all.

>>25955236
No, I see the benefits, a more loyal Avril or some thugs that are ours to command. Sex gains us nothing.

>>25955072
>[]"Avril. Bind them to me. They're never going to challenge me again."

>>25955171
I don't get it. What will binding do?

>>25955254
Didn't read the thread? We have to give them something we have (and that they want, I think).

[]Rip Avril's clothes off. You have more than one way to feast, after all.

Exhibitionism time.

>>25955072
((Writing now.))

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>>25955254

Actually, feeding in general is good. Also, benefits are outweighed by consequences. You understand that bad things happen, right? And you do not see the possible downsides to either of those arrangements?

Keeping in mind, Avril's promises are basically contracts. Something of equal value must be paid in order to receive. If you don't pay, bad shit happens. SUPERNATURAL BAD SHIT.

THE WORST KIND

>>25955254
Binding the thugs requires that we offer something of worth in return, as well as risking taking resources from whoever Jason owes his debts to. Such an action would be considered hostile and make us more than just a target for a valuable resource.

As for binding Avril closer to us, that will bring the ire of her father down on us, a Fae who may or may not be a noble.

>>25955307
What exactly counts as payment?

>>25955217
In light of the reciprocation thing, I'm gonna change my vote to ripping Avril's clothes off.

>>25955356
Too late now. You should have considered it when it was mentioned earlier >>25955200

>>25955329

Well, usually, I think Fae deal in favors or tasks (which can be bad) but might also involve periods of servitude, or some manner of cash payment. Think of every nasty faerie story you've ever read or heard of.

I don't know what exactly would be of equal value, but we'd at least be trading that we'd have to look after and protect our new "vassals" I'm sure. Or pay them shitloads of money or bitches or something. Whatever they feel is the price for loyalty.

>>25955394
In fact, I guess it will have a net value of zero control gained.

>>25955394
You also have to take into account any previous bindings or debts they might have, especially if they're not actually Jason's thugs but thugs belonging to the entity that Jason owes a debt to.
An entity so fear-inducing that Jason is willing to bring the entire fury of the Hunt down on his head rather than face the consequences of non-payment of his debts.

>>25955437
>>25955406

If 14 books of the Dresden Files have taught me one thing, making a deal is your last resort.

Fire is usually the first resort though, we should look into that.

>>25955474
Burninating the countryside !!

>>25955494
>mfw my GM didn't even aknowledge I wanted to do that.

>>25955072
[]"Time for some deeper pledges, Avril dear. I want to be in *complete* control of you. None of your other promises are going to override your obedience to me. Whatever the cost."

I imagine we are pretty high on power and hungry for control, this gets it. :)

>>25955505
Your dm needs shooting. Or a hug, not sure which.

I-I can't even participate in this
Everything's too crazy and out of control right now- which is highly ironic.

>>25955516

fuck off what's the fun on controlling someone if they can't rebel against you

>>25955288
Avril is standing in front of you, still looking a little shaky. She's wearing a plain T-shirt and a knee-length skirt in a checkered pattern.

Those won't do at all. They're going to get in the way.

You grab Avril by the neck with one hand, and take hold of her skirt with the other. A quick pull rips it right off her. "Chris? Chris, what are you-" You ignore her, taking her T-shirt next and pulling it off, tossing it aside. Her bra and panties are quite conservative, simple and white. They're in the way too. It takes no effort at all to leave her naked and confused, thrown to the ground. The ground is fairly soft under your knees as you kneel over her.

You need complete control. Complete power. You pin her arms with your hands, hold her legs to the ground with yours. She whimpers softly as you undo your trousers.

***

It's much darker now. You look down. Avril is scrabbling at your chest, pushing you away. You remember feeling good. Full of power, overflowing with it. You remember how good your anger felt, how good your pleasure felt. Over and over, taking control, taking pleasure, taking everything from her and never letting go.

You're not quite sure it was worth it, though. As you pull back, you can see tears staining Avril's cheeks. Her breasts look slightly bruised. She crossed her legs and covers her crotch with both hands, still sobbing a little. "Chris? Chris, that's enough, no more, please. Please. No more."


What are you going to do?

Quite frankly you guys probably chose the worst possible item from a mechanics perspective. Darkest self can also be triggered as a defensive measure should you take full harm to heal to full. You guys effectively just blew a reflexive full heal to prevent taking damage.

>>25955570

help her up dress her and lets GTFO and have a long talk someplace secluded

>>25955574
most of us have no idea what the fuck we are doing in terms of the rulebook...

>>25955570
Cover her up, then carry her out of there.
No words.
We're just going to make it worse.

>>25955570
Help her get dressed and try to reconcile our recent madness

>>25955574

>implying we know what we are doing

>>25955570
Either find her clothes or give her our shirt, and ask if she's hurt. We need to get away from here and find someplace safer where we can talk this out.

>>25955605
Not even in terms of the rulebook, but just from knowing what the character has been told so far and from plot posts, this was taking the worst possible option then trying to take the least bad consequence of it.

>>25955570
try to cover her up, and then princess carry her somewhere safe to talk about what happened

>>25955570
Allow her to wear clothing, search Jason if he is still there, and get the hell out of there

>>25955637
>>25955630
Most of her clothes are torn in half. Her T-shirt is basically intact, but it's not much to cover her with.

>>25955570
Say we're sorry, we got a bit tense since she was captive, and it seems things got out of hand.

We give her some of our clothes to cover herself, bring her back to a place where she's confortable, massage her bruises, and be as kind as we can.

>>25955574
lol umad?

>>25955640

Supporting this one.

>>25955653
take off pant give them to her

>>25955653
How about our shirt? Is it big enough?

>>25955673
It'll cover her crotch, at least. Her T-shirt isn't going to fit you, though.

>>25955686
thats all we need for princess carrying

>>25955570
I think that I'm starting to see what you mean about bargains Avril get into one accidentally and I wind up with utterly inhuman impulses that I can't keep at bay. The worst part is that I'm not really sure if I want to. I;m so sorry.

...since we're in a chic-lit setting, she's totally gonna dig it in hindsight, isn't she?

>>25955673
We're a tiny nerd, and dying only helped with the social awkwardness of the "nerd" part. We're not huge, I think.

>>25955705
Yep.
What happened to saging discussion? I liked that suggestion.

>>25955686
Not worried about her shirt fitting us. So long as she's covered. And don't forget to pick up her skirt and all of her clothes; anything that could be used for sympathetic magic.

How badly bruised is Avril? Anything obviously visible? Her parents are going to be quite upset, to say the least.

>>25955705
(( Yeaaaaah, no. This is a 'consequences for being your Darkest Self' scene, not some extra porn. Avril is pretty clearly fucking traumatised, which is entirely appropriate for what's just happened to her.))

>Go to play cards
>come back to >>25954270
Well, I'm going to see if anyone wants a few more rounds.

>>25955745
Cleaning up the place is good.

>>25955705
We're not a werewolf, so who knows.

>>25955705
Must improve constitution.

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>>25955752

Fuuuuuuuuuuck.

>>25955752
Enough for her to find a way out of her promise to us?

>>25955570
We just raped a fae.

We just raped a fucking fae.

This is not going to end well.

What do we do now? We fucking kill ourselves so at least it's quick and painless.

>>25955752
...I strongly suspected as much.
Truth be told, I'd say I kind of prefer that to lolStockholm Syndrome fuckery.
>>25955776
NO TIME! THINGS ARE HAPPENING TOO FAST.

Oh.
Wait.
...is our heart beating?

>>25955752
>>25955570

Yeeeeeeeeah. We need to apologize, kind of explain ourselves. It's probably not going to make her feel great, but if we explain the fact that we're not in full control of our own hungry, predatory nature - urges beyond our control and all that - she and we can rationalize it all better. I'm sure she understands the whole "bound by powers we can't control" bit. And we should be sure to mention, as non-threateningly as possible, the fact that we "Hunger" for, y'know, sexing her. If we haven't already.

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>>25955808

Which reminds me....

Her dad is totally gonna fuck us up isn't she?

we should have just binded those goons.

Were fucked. Absolutely fucked.

>>25955820
>What do we do now? We fucking kill ourselves so at least it's quick and painless.
Daddy dearest might very well find a way to make us pay beyond death.
Avril mentioned the Wild Hunt.

>>25955808
Well what did you expect to happen when we gave in to our Darkest Self?
We were already told what would happen.

>>25955820
Won't work.

>>25955820
This is certainly not a good turn of events.
We better look after her properly for what has happened.

>>25955570
((Okay, writing now.))

>>25955820
Just according to keikaku. Dunno why spoiler.

>>25955843
Binding those goons could have had just as dire consequences.
We wouldn't be in this situation if we hadn't given in to our Darker Self.

>>25955574
Yeah, but it makes for a better story this way.

>>25955842
Probably mandatory at this point.

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>>25955853
Nigger, i didn't even vote for that.
I voted option 1.

>>25955853
Not my fault /tg/ will always pick the sex option, even if it is retarded.

Like a car crash in slow motion.

>>25955885
yea, same :(

>>25955885
No, I meant in the general sense. As soon as giving in to our Darkest Self won the votes, you should have expected this.

you stupid-
I don't even-
THIS IS WHY WE DON'T DO DRUGS OR TALK TO DRUGGIES

We have to fix this somehow- or at least let her know we weren't in control here. That wasn't the "Chris" we wanted to be, nor the one we ever wanter to show her.

my god, it's like Valvrape all over again.

So, everybody who voted for Darkest Self, SEE WHAT YOU WROUGHT!?

All because you panicked that taking 1 Harm would cause you to lose enough blood that Jason could get the sample he needs.

I wonder if they got the blood.

>>25955892
The sex option was the least shitty of those three.

>>25955914
It would have been better to bind them.

>>25955923
Dude, why are you mad? From a meta perspective, this is a fucking great narrative.

>>25955895
That was the go on, and have the same arguing again once he hits back again.

>>25955892
Sex option was the least of 3 bad choices, none of which would have had to come up if "give in to our Darker Self" hadn't been chosen.

>>25955941
Waifufags don't care about narrative. They're mad because a waifu got raped.

>>25955925
>We may end up losing Avril because of this bullshit
>least shitty
No.

also could somebody post the angel playbook again the archive cut off before the playbook dump and i seem to have missed that one

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>>25955925
>least shitty

Get your head out of your ass.
It was just as bad or even worse.
Stop defending your shitty choice.

>>25955925
>The sex option was the least shitty of those three.
I dunno, it hurt the only person we can trust.

>>25955920
>my god, it's like Valvrape all over again.
...
It really is.
Car crash, slow mo- oh, >>25955894 was faster.

>>25955953
You know there's other girls, right? And she swore herself to use anyway. Even if we're not exactly on good terms, she's not totally lost to us.

>>25955961
>giving up god-knows-what in exchange for pittances
>not worse
I mean, I guess theoretically it could have been no big deal. But that seems pretty unlikely.

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>>25955977
Sure, but as Hex said she's the only one of our toys that we can trust. You don't break your toys like that.

>>25955941

I'm not mad, I just want to make sure everybody who selected of this course of action has realized the consequence of the action vs the paranoia, and they've learned to appreciate the weight a little bit more. Like, it's an interesting narrative, but it becomes a stupid one if the character (ie /the players/) doesn't learn from experience.

Plus crazy reactive decisions vis a vi a shitty decision last time around also makes interesting narrative.

>>25955977
the point is, the trust will be lost.
The sub/dom thing is based off trust- we trust that she obeys, she trusts that we don't hurt her with the power we have over her.
we broke that trust, and with a fae no less. the amount of WRONG that could ensue from this would make owing a favor to whoever has our blood look like small shit.

>>25956008

Objectively speaking, though, Darkest Self was our shittiest choice there. Like, playing actual MH, people understand that that's a serious business move, and I'm not sure everyone completely understood the choice, even after MH explained it.

>>25956000

There is a mighty big chance her family is going to fuck us up.

Let that stew in your head for a while.

>>25956024
yeah, as someone who does not play MH or know the rules, I did not realise that until well after it happened...

>>25956005
That angel looks how I'm feeling right now.

>>25955923
Well, fighting to not give blood and throw tons around seemed pretty silly. Plus, dragging on the fighting wouldn't be fun.

>>25956024
Well, we killed the guy that couldn't face his endebtment. We did someone a service today, we should be proud.

We can't change the options have been picked, we need to pick ourselves up and do our best to right the situation instead of bewailing. We should focus on helping Avril recover, possibly dealing with Jason and the thugs if needs be.

>>25956008
We don't make decisions based on meta knowledge.

It was stupid to stick dicks places where we didn't need to. We could have had some bodyguards.

>>25956008
Pretty sure we're going to do our damndest to avoid Darkest Self and potential waifu-rape from now on.

>>25956077
>We don't make decisions based on meta knowledge.
Avril already explained contracts, promises, and bindings to us numerous times in character. The decisions were based upon in-character knowledge, both about the kind of people that Jason owed debts to, what is needed for a binding promise, and Avril's nature.

>>25956107
At least, *we* raped her, not some damn drugdealer or fucker who would get into our head.

>>25956060
His debt could well transcend death.

>>25956077
>We could have had some bodyguards.
But at what cost? And we probably would have ended up raping Avril anyway, since Darkest Self only ends when we're fended off.

>>25956143
>If your waifu is going to be raped, make sure you're the one doing the raping!
Yep, that's the moral of this story alright.

>>25955858
You take your shirt off and try to cover Avril up with it. She's still covering her crotch with both hands, but you manage to at least put it on her like a cloak, covering her chest and reaching down to the top of her thighs. She brings her hands up enough to clutch it around herself.

Putting one arm under Avril's knees and the other under her shoulders lets you lift her easily enough. You've gathered up her T-shirt and used it as a makeshift carrying sling for her torn skirt and underwear, and confirmed that the vial Jason gave you ended up smashed on a tree root. The thug you decked seems to have gotten up and dragged Jason away at some point. You're not sure how long you were lying there with Avril.

You carefully carry Avril out to the park bench, sit her down on it, and try to haltingly apologise. "Avril, I... I'm so sorry. I don't know what to say to make it up to you. I'm starting to see what you mean about bargains - whatever happened to me, it's left me with these impulses, these hungers. I just lost control."

You try to soothe her bruises a little, but she flinches away. "Chris, can I... can I just go home, please? I'll... think about what you said. I don't know what to think at the moment." She takes the bundle of clothes from you, and gets up. Her face looks fixed and blank.

[]Insist on escorting Avril home. She's going to be walking through town in the dark in nothing but a shirt.
[]Let her have some time alone. Go home. Reflect.
[]Other

>>25956143
Like that's any better. If anything it's worse

>>25956077
>It was stupid to stick dicks places where we didn't need to. We could have had some bodyguards.
Darkest Self doesn't stop when its Hungers are fed; it only stops when someone stops us and prevents us from feeding our Hungers.
So if we had bound the thugs, we'd still have our Darkest Self controlling our actions, and it would have moved on to either raping Avril or binding her to us, and breaking whatever binds her dad has on her to protect her.

>>25956179
>[]Insist on escorting Avril home. She's going to be walking through town in the dark in nothing but a shirt.

>>25956179
oh god, if we take her home we meet her dad right?
>[]Insist on escorting Avril home. She's going to be walking through town in the dark in nothing but a shirt.

Rolled 5, 1 = 6

>>25956179
>[]Insist on escorting Avril home. She's going to be walking through town in the dark in nothing but a shirt.

>>25956179
((Sorry for the big delay in posting. Making that apology speech sound not horribly creepy or worse was... well, basically impossible under the circumstances, but I had to re-write it quite a bit until it at least sounded like the MC meant to apologise rather than just to make himself out as the real victim here.))

>>25956179
[x]Insist on escorting Avril home.

>>25956216
>Darkest Self doesn't stop when its Hungers are fed
That's what I dont' understand. What stopped us?

>>25956179
>[]Other
Follow her home at a distance. She gets to be alone, we keep an eye on her, and we avoid meeting her family.

>>25956179
Escort her home. Gotta do the right thing for a change. Then long reflecting walk home

>>25956179
We can ask her preference on this. "Would you like me to walk with you?" No good forcing our preferences on her, especially in light of what we just did.

>>25956278
This

>>25956179
Hmm we just lost control and raped her and now she wants some time to think alone. What do TG?
> I know let's escort her home to make sure she feels uncomfortable the entire way there.
[x] let her have some time alone. Go home. Reflect.

>>25956179
[x]Other
Insist on escorting Avril home from a distance.
Give her space, and this way we don't have to meet her parents with a very bad impression.

>>25956278
>Risking other thugs doing the same shit again
Not twice in the same day please.

>>25956077
>We could have had some bodyguards.
Bodyguards that we took down. Here's a hint, if you can beat two people at once in a stand up fight, they probably can't defend you any better than you can defend yourself.

>>25956278
Changing my vote to this. I really don't want her going home alone like this, but it should be her choice.

>>25956278
[x] Absolutely this, guys. This is really not the time to override her choices again.

>>25956306
Right, but, letting her go through town dressed as she is now? Is that any better? Especially when she did say that her powers are very limited in terms of direct conflict?

>>25956278
Good idea, but we have to be careful not to push her into accepting, nor to make her feel threatened by the offer.

>>25956278
Seconding this. Though perhaps we should couch it in terms of wanting to be sure she's safe, dressed as she is?

>>25956371
Yeah, she could get raped.

>>25956385
Ha.

>>25956342
It's a little village in Britain and we just whupped what was probably the toughest guys in town. Unless she'd like us to walk with her, I'd say that it is indeed better.

>>25956371
Isn't that our actual reason?

>>25956371
Agreed. We ask, and if we meet the big man that is her dad. We hold up like a man.

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>>25956385
Oh you

>>25956408
>if we meet the big man that is her dad. We hold up like a man.
Oh that's going to end terribly.

>>25956179
((Okay, so.. six votes for insisting on escorting her home in some way, seven votes for actually asking the rape victim what *she* would like to happen and respecting her choice. Writing.))

>>25956408

If he ever comes for our ass, i say we take it. No running away. We deserve it.

>>25956448
Word. Fair is fair.

>>25956408
>>25956429
"Hello sir, we haven't met, but I'm your daughter's boyfriend. Pleased to meet you."

"I also just rescued her after she got kidnapped. Anyway, I live on the other side of town, so mind if I come in for a drink before heading home?"

>>25956464
>I also just raped her after she got kidnapped
FTFY

Guys, we're a monster, you know? A little rape is practically expected.

>>25956464
We might be able to get away from the first meeting by avoiding anything that could incriminate us, but considering the bindings that he's put on his daughter, I think he's thorough enough to ask her for a complete accounting of what happened (if only to find out who the kidnappers were in order to exact vengeance) and then the truth of what we did to her will likely come out.

>>25956511
We're a ghoul. Cannibalism is expected but rape is still fucking depraved.

>>25956464
I'd rather say "My thing here says she lives here. Just brought her back after some people got my toy away from me."

(I'm pretty sure she implied her family is back in Ireland. )

>>25956511

Stop trying to make the act seem okay.
We fucked up.
We. Fucked. Up.

>>25956539
We're playing it as a succubi. No problem in moar sex.

>>25956511

we still have our humanity, even if we gain pleasure from the act we still know its wrong and we should do our best to make up for it.

>>25956553
I didn't say it was okay, obviously it's a pretty big fuck up. But let's have some context and not ruin the quest by going on about how horrible rape is forever.

>>25956594

I'm not even pissed because of the rape.
I'm pissed about the fact that there are a few people in this thread right now that do not want to admit they picked a horrible choice and try to brush it off as "HURR, THE OTHER CHOICES ARE FAR WORSE DURR".

Sure, everybody makes mistakes, but they don't want to acknowledge it. That's what gets me so assblasted.

>>25956443
"Avril, if you're going to walk home, would you like me to walk with you? Just to make sure you're safe."

She laughs a little nervously. "To make sure I'm safe. No, I'd really rather not, Chris." You sit on the bench, watching her walk away. She's walking slightly stiffly and a little bow-legged, but she holds her head high.

You sit on the bench for a while, looking up at the stars. Is this what you are now? A monster, doomed to lose control? Are these Hungers really in charge? They run so deep... and feeding them feels so good. Is it really a loss of control if you *wanted* to give in? You remember the feeling of power and control flowing through you. Then you remember Avril's tear-stained face.

What are you going to do now?

[]Contemplate the stars some more. Think about what's happened, and where you're going. See if you can get some more answers out of the universe.
[]Go home. You've done more than enough for today.
[]Head to the library. See if you can look up something that might stop this happening again?
[]Other

>>25956653

hey we do the best we can and we refuse to apologize for doing what we thought was the best option available to us at the time.

>>25956653
If you mean the choices after we picked Darkest Self, the other choices were definitely very bad. We didn't know enough to be sure if they were worse, and sex with someone that in the past had been willing to have sex pretty much at the drop of a hat didn't seem like a bad option at all.

>>25956653
I'm just pissed people think the option off loosing the one thing we came back from the dead for control, was a good idea. No lets not take an injury that'd be bad lets lose all control of our actions and give into our darker instincts nothing could go wrong. Damnit guys.

>>25956653
>you are wrong.
you too, kind sir.

>>25956697
>[]Contemplate the stars some more. Think about what's happened, and where you're going. See if you can get some more answers out of the universe.

>>25956697
>[x]Contemplate the stars some more. Think about what's happened, and where you're going. See if you can get some more answers out of the universe.

>>25956697
[x]Other
We know where Jason lives right? Time to pay him a visit.

>>25956697
>[]Contemplate the stars some more. Think about what's happened, and where you're going. See if you can get some more answers out of the universe.

>>25956697
>[]Other

Oatz and squatz. Dem gains.

>>25956697
>[]Head to the library. See if you can look up something that might stop this happening again?

>>25956697
>[x]Contemplate the stars some more. Think about what's happened, and where you're going. See if you can get some more answers out of the universe.

time to do some thinking and some self discovery.

>>25956697
>[]Contemplate the stars some more. Think about what's happened, and where you're going. See if you can get some more answers out of the universe.

>>25956697
>What are you going to do now?
Well, I'm going to bed. This seems like the right time for it. As for my vote:
>[]Contemplate the stars some more. Think about what's happened, and where you're going. See if you can get some more answers out of the universe.
Think about ourselves, why we did that, and the potential ramifications. That seems appropriate.