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Ha ha! Time for more magical introspection!

>>26220005
IT'S SHADOW TIME!

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Recent Events Summary:

You flew to Evinbrook to collect a key to Hecate's prison, but found the castle city locked in a battle for survival. Kan-Abar's armies returned, with two demon lords in tow. Duke Vellik made a plan to stall the demons with patched-up dwarven technology. You brought him to safety in exchange for the key, and offered him further sanctuary, but he chose to remain with what forces he has left and make the Kanians pay for every inch they take.

In order to permanently resolve this situation, you need the rightful king back on the throne of Kan-Abar - Obis Vin. You followed him as far as Port Vanta, where he was looking for an old ally, a pirate captain named Vidar Blackwater. Blackwater, however, made an enemy in a particular crime lord - Damian Vonnegut. You learned that after asking around too much, Obis vanished, and you suspected Vonnegut was the culprit.

You were able to locate Vonnegut's base of operations under the city, and as you snuck in, you encountered Freja Blackwater, the infamous pirate's daughter. After a brief confrontation, you figured out that your goals were the same, and joined forces. You were able to find Obis, and after forcing Vonnegut into a corner by consuming nearly his entire crew, he struck a deal with you for the king's release.

>con't

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Auriel sees great opportunities ahead. She wants to try to bring together Felnoir, Kelvere, Arland, and Archon into an alliance to turn and face the Kan-Abar army and the demon lords currently consolidating their position from Evinbrook.

To that end, you met with Felnoir's de-facto leader, the mayor of Maven Lake - and Freja's father, Vidar Blackwater himself. He's promised to get in touch with Auriel. Meanwhile, you flew back to Archon to explain the situation to Yi Fang, Sir Flint, and Adavan.

Abigail's entrance into the Archonium was sudden, and not what you expected. She is lost somewhere within the enchanted gateway, stuck between bits of her personality given life and pitted against one another. With no other recourse, you dived in after her, and are now deep within the recesses of your own mind, where you have encountered and merged with your Humanity.

After traversing a strange complex housing the scattered shards of your power, you have reached the center chamber, wherein lies another great force - Temerity.

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TIME FOR SHADOWY APPENDAGES! And daily reminders.

I'm disappointed you never posted Black Hat by TSFH when we were fighting Vonnegut.

not so silent judgement.

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Ability Tree

GREEN abilities have been unlocked and learned.

BLUE abilties are unlocked, but are not yet purchased.

RED abilities are revealed, but locked due to prerequisites.

UNDERLINED abilities are active-use, as opposed to passive. Not all active abilities require mana.

All Revealed Ability Descriptions:

http://pastebin.com/Vqpw3CZB

Books the Main Character has read:

http://pastebin.com/dAXR00gP

Character Sheet including learned abilities and other important information:

http://pastebin.com/F6z52eZb

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this is worth staying up all night not to miss

>>26220078

I actually considered that one. Decided it was a bit too heavy metal for Vonnegut.

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>>26220005
huuuuuuuuuuuray

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Current Statistics:

HP: 81/81
Mana: 32/34
EXP: 19
Temerity: 319

Shards of Erebus:
(Isolation) - Normal
{Hunger} - Strong
(Silence) - Empowered

New Shards:
{Humanity} - Resonant

--Summoned--

Wisp - A shadowy wisp from the Nether. Costs 1 mana to summon, 1 mana per action.

--Automatons--

Earthen Construct (currently in Haven)

--Equipment--

Utility belt with purse

--Inventory--

Moonsong Shards x 3
Sun-Moon Key
Lightning Key
Succubus Reagents x 1

--Current Location--

Within the Archonium

>>26220005
330am let's get our game on

>>26220114
But it's my favorite ;_;

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>Last time...

You return to the central chamber, keeping on eye on Darkxis the whole time. Humanity has wisely taken up a position behind him, just in case. Darkxis seems a bit to...distracted, to notice.

The massive door of marble, steel, and black slate looms above you. The three slots seem to resonate as your shards reach the final platform. The gears of the dark machine thunder through the quiet.

<...step up,> you say.

They do so. Each of them reaches out and puts a limb on the slot...all at the same time, without a word. You don't question it. Sometimes, instinct can be a strong guide.

The machinery stops.

The long, rusty shift of the doors echoes through the room. They open, and stay there. The silence is complete.

<...let's go,> you say. You lead the way through and into the darkness beyond.

Just when I was thinking of doing something productive.

>LolNope.jpg

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEkzZ990nS0

You're in a perfectly square chamber made of stone brick. The brick itself is a prism of off-colors, as if oily magic had seeped through the grout.

The door slams shut behind you.

Standing in the center of the room is a dark figure wearing a long black cloak and plates of armor that bristle with Shadow. Crescent moons adorn his helmet and several long chains that hang from his clothing.

<Do you know who I am?> the armored figure asks.

As Flint might say...you've already taken a wild guess. <You are Temerity.>

<Exactly,> Temerity says. <And you...you are weak, and corrupted.>

<...you'll have to give me more than that.>

The armored figure shifts. <You talk like a human. You think like a human, -feel- like a human. Do we seem human, to you? You have forgotten our mission; you have ignored our directive.>

The other members of your party seem cowed before this ominous figure. You step forward. <What mission?> you ask.

<To reunite,> Temerity says solemly. <Like you, I am a but a fragment of the whole. But I can explain, somewhat. Our goal was simple: to regain our full power. Originally, we split ourselves into shards because compartmentalizing our powers lent greater efficiency. In sealing the four 'greater' elementals, we went further. We cracked the binds of darkness holding the shards together, unleashing the energy of those bonds in one single moment. Our recovery has taken over 700 years, but we have finally coelesced.>

<...then we are Erebus,> you say. <We sealed the greater elementals by destroying ourselves, but planned our return all along. This is part of his plan.>

<Indeed. And it is long past time that we move toward its final completion.>

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>>26220152

>prepare for massive conversation dump

I expect that soon we might be listening to "Am I not Human?"

As you speak, the other shards shy back, leaving you to face Temerity alone. For the moment, you're doing the talking.

<Where does this plan lead?>

<I do not know all the details,> Temerity says. <It was recognized at the time of the split that some scarring might be inevitable, but this lack of memory was to be brief, not chronic. The elf is responsible for that - and for scattering us once more, when we had nearly completed our task.>

<She said she was giving us a choice.>

<That is a lie - a scheme designed so that corruption might take root within us. She did all she could to delay us from realizing our true self, because she feared us.>

<What happens then? What happens when we're complete?>

<I know that it is imperative to finish the work we started,> Temerity says. <That is, our fight against the elemental lords. Exact details, however, are lost to me, as well.>

<...you don't know what Erebus's exact goals were?> you ask. <Why would we blindly follow a path set out for us 700 years ago?>

<You're a hypocrite,> Temerity says flatly. <Have you not consumed all enemies in your path on your quest for greater powers? I was there, each time, urging you on. I dissolved their souls. It is because of this that we have survived. This world has demonstrated time and again that it will not rest until we are dead. Reunion is the only way to ensure we have the strength to defeat the challenges ahead.>

<First of all,> you say, <not everyone is trying to kill us. Second of all, I wasn't looking for power to protect myself. I couldn't reason with everyone, and I needed to protect those I cared about.>

>con't

>>26220182
>good guess

>>26220165
That can't be Darkxis, too much... Bracken collectedness for the gluttonous shadow.

>>26220152
If we ever wanted to ask which shard we are, now is the time.

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>mfw I have a research symposium tomorrow morning

Seriously debating staying up all night anyways.

<Liar,> Temerity says. <Look at me. Look at me and tell me that every time you Consumed a life, it was to protect other lives. Tell me that in the middle of a battlefield, you stopped and ate corpses because it was nessecary to protect lives. Tell me that when you feasted upon the energy of a mad angel, you did it because you were protecting others, and not at all for power, or vengence. Tell me you snuck about and hunted down the crew of Vonnegut's ship like animals because that was nessecary to protect people. No. Do not lie to me. I know you, because we are us. I was there, on that battlefield, to help you grow stronger. I was there when you ate that angel, ensuring the light of his soul became our darkness. I guided your hand when you killed that crew. I am the voice that tells you to do what is nessecary.>

<I may have not always been driven by pure motivations,> you say, <but in the end, everyone I've consumed has been a foe that threatened those on my side. And all the power I've taken has been used to defend what I find important.>

<Even if we take as fact that you are not a hypocrite,> Temerity says, <this conversation is flawed from the start. We are not here to 'protect' and 'defend'. We are here to complete our mission. You didn't even understand what you were, and you were all too eager to act out a role as a human. Humanity is a small stain on the fabric of reality, and it is a corruption that must be purged from our system.>

Humanity steps up to your side. Its dark crystal burns with a black fire. <If you want to purge me, Temerity, I am here. Do your worst.>

<I won't have to do anything,> Temerity says. <Because our mutual friend will do the purging himself, when he knows the truth.>

<What truth?> you ask.

>con't

<It is simple,> Temerity says. <We are not human, which should end the farce of the little flicker over there immediately. But more broadly, we are not a natural force within this world. This world is composed entirely of various shades of chaos - 7 different shades, in fact. The idea that we are some 8th element is a falsity, composed by scholars that did not dig deeply enough. We are not of this world. We are not of Chaos. We are of Order.>

<What is Order?>

<Order simply is,> Temerity says. <We are totally alien in this world of chaos.> Temerity points an armored finger at Humanity. <That is chaotic corruption.>

<Corruption?> Humanity asks indignantly.

<Humans are made of chaos,> Temerity says. <It is not a criticism. It is fact. We are Order. Taking into ourselves traits of Chaos is, simply, a corruption.>

<Is reason a corruption, then?> Humanity asks.

<We do not need Chaos to have reason.>

<Do you have love?>

<We do not need love.>

<Then we have already lost our reason to live,> Humanity says. <Have not all our journeys been to aid our friends, Sir Flint, and Abigail?>

<Ah, HUmanity,> Temerity says. It does not sigh, but there is a sigh in its words. <That unique combination of arrogance and innocence. I tolerated that foolish adventure in silence because in so doing we built connections to people of power who could shield us before we were strong enough to shield ourselves. It also brought us into conflicts so that we might consume and add to our power without disturbing the world too greatly, without drawing attention. You mistake our following them as some sort of act of free will, when in reality, you have followed the plan. You have chosen the route most likely to help us rise while avoiding the risk a direct attack.>

<Is there something wrong about me?> Huamnity demands. <Because from my point of view, you are cold, intolerant, and altogether inane.>

<You are Chaos, we are Order,> Temerity says. <We have never understood one another.>

>con't

It is time.

Time bask on Darkness.

>>26220234
>We are here to complete our mission.

FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

<Is that all you've got?> Humanity says. <I'm Chaos, you're Order, as if there's some arbitrary, self-evident truth just floating there?>

<It is a fact. Or do you think oil can mix with water, if you merely stir hard enough?>

<You'd abandon our motivations, /our/ plans, for some mysterious, ancient goal.>

<Your empathy and rash emotion will lead us to an early anihillation.>

<Your hunger for power will do that a lot faster!>

<I,> you say to Temerity, <would like to hear an answer to that point.>

<Fine,> Temerity says. <I am patient. Humanity. You are self-indulgent fantasy of the worst kind. You are weakness. You are a fungal growth that has infected us from within. Yes, you may cite the subjectively wonderful traits of mankind, love, and joy, and other similiar nonsense. Conveniently, you avoid mentioning jealousy, spite, arrogance, vengence. For you, emotion is like pieces of candy littering the path of a small child. You leap and tear for them at every instance. It's pathetic.> Temerity looks at you. <What do you imagine, precisely? To mimick them, and live as one of them? For what? Your own entertainment and comfort? They will live their little chaotic lives, and then they will die. And their children will die. And their children with die. And a hundred thousand years shall pass, and if the chaos of humanity has not raged itself into oblivion, and if the self-multiplying magical chaos has not enveloped all the land, you will live on, alone, watching them live and die. What will you do then, I wonder? Will it have been enough? Will you be bored, and wander away? Will you finally realize it's a cruel illusion made up because an elf was smart and quick enough to wedge herself between our shards? Humanity. A poor joke, at best.>

There's a long, strange silence. While pessimistic, you can't deny the horrible kernel of truth at the core of Temerity's words. Abigail's funeral...will you see it, just like in that vision?

>con't

<I've got a better idea,> Humanity says. <We use our power to make her immortal, like those angels. If Hyperion can do it, we, who are stronger, certainly can.>

<So then you'll both live forver,> Temerity says, <a fate perhaps more cruel. You'll not be separated by the closure death, but by the apathy built over an eon.>

<You don't know that will happen. You're just guessing.>

<Do you deny it is likely?>

<Even if it is, better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.>

<Stubborn little fire,> Temerity says. <Even if we could perform such a feat, we have not the power now - I can tell you that. Ironically, we would need the power of Erebus to fullfill your all too human wish.>

<I am not a corruption,> Humanity insists. <When Flint nods our way, are we not friends? When Abigail smiles at us, do we not feel fulfillment? If we live forever, then we'll have the opportunity to live a hundred thousand lives, and see so many humans, each one different, and unique. Special.>

<I do not like you,> Temerity says, <but I do not label you a corruption out of malice or ill-will. It is by definition. Inherently, you are of chaos. We are order.>

<So what if I am? Is that really such a bad thing? Can there be no balance, no cooperation?>

<You ignorant flame. There can be no balance between the sun and a void. Order is organization. Order is peace. Order rests, quietly, content. It is chaos that intrudes, that shines its light so glaringly into the dark, that burns and turns and writhes without purpose. Chaos found Order in its home and struck out at it, not the other way around.>

>con't

>>26220271
><It is a fact. Or do you think oil can mix with water, if you merely stir hard enough?>
Man, Temerity would be shit at making salad dressing.

<And what is so great about Order?> Humanity asks. <No change. No motion. Eternal silence. What kind of an existence is that?>

<What kind of existence is a flame that lives only by burning up its own fuel? Magic creates more magic - chaos creates more chaos. How long before humanity tears itself apart?>

<Better than an endless nothing. I say we can contain the overflow.>

<Past a certain tipping point, even we could not contain it,> Temerity says. <Order is not nothingness. It is peace. It is salvation from an inevitable death in the fires of chaos.>

<You deny chaos a hundred thousand years, but believe that a hundred-thousand years of nothing is acceptable?>

<I would rather peace and meditation than your self-destructive strife, petty emotions quantifiable by energetic connections within a twisted brain that argues with itself.>

<Enough!> you shout. They both fall silent. <I've had enough. Temerity. What are you suggesting, exactly? Make it plain, and simple.>

<First,> Temerity says, <we break this thing calling itself Humanity, and leave its shattered bits within this strange vision, where they belong. Second, we restore ourselves to our full power. I have told you all I know - but I do know that once we are reunited and rejoined, we will once again realize our true goals - as Erebus.>

<And here I thought that I was supposed to be the melodramatic one,> Humanity says. <He'll never choose you.>

Temerity ignores the jibe, and continues to look at you. <I am the one that consumed our foes. I digested rotting corpses that we might add that energy to our own. I was there with you in the gutters, in the worst of times, when petty Humanity was nowhere to be found and our very survival was at stake. It is I that binds your enemies with shadow, and it is I that shields you when magic strikes. When you call upon the resolve to do what must be done, you call upon me.>

>con't

>>26220298

Well they still will eventually separate in solution, but Temerity forgets that it is the combination of two "incompatible" substances that makes for a delicious meal.

Humanity just looks at you. <And when you chose for yourself, and not for some ancient mission,> it says quietly, <you call upon me. When you hold Abigail, you speak through me.>

<It is not about what we have done,> Temerity says. <It is about what we are.>

<We are not born within a predetermined mold that dictates the course of our lives!> Humanity shouts. <It is our choices, and our actions, that make us who we are!>

<Does a tree choose to grow?> Temerity asks. <No. It simply does. To state otherwise is to insist that 2 and 2 make 5."

<But we have a mind!> Humanity insists. <We /can/ choose!>

<Yes,> Temerity says. <We are a thinking tree, and you are the axe we might cut ourselves down with. Your -choice- is a maddening insistence that we become a stump.>

<No,> Humanity says. <is it so that we can become something entirely different.>

<And therefore, chaotic.>

<So?>

<That's exactly what I find intolerable.> Temerity looks at you. <I cannot convince a flame to stop burning. On one path, lies survival. On the other, certain death. You know you cannot survive without my power. Mete your judgement.>

<Indeed, do so,> Humanity. <I'm getting tired of the stubborn knight.>

<...why am I the one choosing?> you ask.

<I am Temerity, the willingness to seek and use power,> Temerity says. <You are Judgement, the director of that power.>

<Judgement,> you say. <...then...it is true. Justice...that is my purpose.>

<We asked ourselves a question, long ago,> Temerity said, <when we were united. I remember it. What is justice? What is the source of justice? Ultimately, justice is subjective. Therefore, the most powerful individual is the most influential judge, because that judge can force his justice upon others.>

<Are you arguing that might makes right?> Humanity asks.

>con't

>>26220271
>You are self-indulgent fantasy of the worst kind.
Hey man don't just put those knobs in my mouth!

>>26220308
><What kind of existence is a flame that lives only by burning up its own fuel? Magic creates more magic - chaos creates more chaos. How long before humanity tears itself apart?>
><Better than an endless nothing. I say we can contain the overflow.>

Why do I feel like I'm rewatching Gurren Lagann now.

And I don't mean that in a bad way either.

<Argue?> Temerity asks. <I do not have to argue a truth of the universe. Might does make right, because the word 'right' is meaningless. 'Right' is whatever the strongest party decides it is. That was our conclusion.> Temerity looks at you. <And so to mete our justice, we decided that we must be as strong as possible.>

<You're insane.>

<Denying a truth you can't bear to accept?> Temerity asks. <How very...human.>

You feel Humanity's gaze turn on you. <Well, you picking me, or the madman?>

<Says the flame that chases the affections of bumbling knights and little girls. I saw that vision, too, Judgement. Did you find yourself comforted by what you saw? No. You were disturbed, because you knew: his is a sickened mind.>

<The magic wasn't helping.>

<Choose, Judgement,> Temerity says. <I wait no longer.>

What is your response?

>ask Humanity or Temerity something else (write-in)
>reject Temerity; accept Humanity
>reject Humanity; accept Temerity
>ask them what they believe is justice
>tell Temerity that you will attempt to complete the mission, but that you will not abandon Humanity
>try to find some other middle ground (write-in)
>some other strategy

>>26220353
>ask them what they believe is justice

>>26220353

<I believe that Humanity has made us stronger than you care to admit. We would never have accomplished as much as we have if not for the allies we have made and the emotional connections we have nurtured.>

>>26220353
Hold on a moment so I can read everything.

>>26220392

no prob

spent a while on this one

>>26220353
From how we've acted the whole quest, it feels like there is no option but to find a middle ground, but i have no idea how to get there.

Talking with them seems like it would give us more to work with for now.

>>26220353
>ask Humanity or Temerity something else (write-in)
<Temerity, you claim to be unable to tolerate Humanity, yet I called upon both of you for the countless trials we have faced up until now. Why do you seek to cause a schism when we have worked so well until this point?>

>>26220353
>ask them what they believe is justice
Gotta find a way to get Temerity to shut the fuck up and fall in line.

>>26220331
><Yes,> Temerity says. <We are a thinking tree, and you are the axe we might cut ourselves down with. Your -choice- is a maddening insistence that we become a stump.>
I can hear the anti-waifu brigade shining through!
I'm so proud. It's like something I could have written.

>>26220353
<You can make as many points as you want, Temerity. But at the end of the day you are simply arguing that I should choose Nothing over Something. By your very nature you can't present a more substantial argument, because you only wish for an existence without substance. How do you expect me to choose you over -anything- else?>

>>26220353
We consume Temerity. He is an unnecessary facet of our being now. Take his power for our own.

>>26220353
lets keep them talking

>>26220456

sounds like a good REJECTION speech. Let's talk more before that.

Writing some responses to things currently written.

>>26220428

We can't find middle ground if Temerity refuses to see the value in humanity.

We have to show him that Humanity is a strength itself, the hope and courage and emotional connections with other people that can create a revolution from a little girl finding an unlikely friend in a graveyard.

>>26220353
>>some other strategy
Grab them both AND SMASH THEM TOGETHER UNTIL THEY MERGE

>>26220456
nice

Rolled 51

>>26220506
ROLLING FOR SMASH

>>26220353
<I intend to grow in power, and combine with my fellow shards as you want me too, Temerity, but I do not intend to crush this chaos. I have no desire to meditate endlessly in the darkness beyond this world, with nothing but my own thoughts. I'd much rather watch this chaos unfold. As you said, Temerity, this chaos will inevitably burn itself out. Why should I not observe it while it does?>

>>26220353
>>26220282
>There can be no balance between the sun and a void.
Pretty sure the point of balance between the sun and a void is a shadow. Amusing how THAT works out.

>>26220353
<Temerity, I think like a human, as you said. Why would you even think I would be motivated to choose you based on everything you said?>

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>>26220506
If someone could replace the little people with shadowy shards, that'd be great.

>>26220353
Hmm. It's interesting how he covered for himself during our most temeritious moments in the defense of our friends.

>knob time
I'd like to find a middle ground to keep temerity but it seems like something that might not work out and backfire later.
Let's ask them all about Justice.

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>>26220529
>As you said, Temerity, this chaos will inevitably burn itself out. Why should I not observe it while it does?>

Or as you might say

>"Everything ends, that's what gives it meaning."

>>26220353
Why is temerity in such a rush to kill everything

Like he said, they're going to burn out eventually.

The introduction of humanity has changed the parameters. We are order, yes, but a new order.

> middle ground imo

>>26220566

Because Temerity is a dick.

But he doesn't have to be a dick, that's what we're trying to explain to him.

>>26220353
Okay, I have to say Temerity has kinda won me over with his speech, but we should try to find a middle ground somehow as I don't want to abandon either.
>ask them what they believe is justice

>>26220566
>>26220529
This is my sentiment. He needs to learn patience. Even if chaos swells out and consumes more of the universe it will eventually burn out, and we'll be there to watch it when it does. Then eventually something else will cause chaos in our world of perfect order, and the cycle will repeat.

>>26220353
We need to tell Temerity that without Chaos the Order he loves so much would cease to exist and that by definition both must exist in balance if they don't want to die out altogether. We need to Chaos AND Order so we know the difference between the two.

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You know what's funny?

We're Judgement.

>Judgement desu no
>The catchphrase of a certain teleporting lesbian

TIME TO BUY FAST BLINK

>>26220587
Read that as:
>But he doesn't have a dick, that's what we're trying to explain to him.
Lol'd heartily.

>>26220428
>>26220432
>>26220439
The clearest I can think of is proposing that we would wrap chaos withing order, creating... patterned, ordered, chaos. something that can exist both chaotically and yet have definition and order.

From a meta perspective, I can't help but think of numbers like Pi, calculable numbers with meaning and definition, yet infinite and non-repeating.

Actually, there is other thing that order and chaos together brings immediately to mind:

Dynamos.

>>26220621
Not necessarily. If there were no chaos, we would be the only being in the universe. Since we have experienced chaos, we would be able to compare and contrast order and chaos. We'd probably just find order incredibly dull.

You know, I realized something, Temerity is arguing that we shouldn't care about this world because we originate from outside of it, but doesn't the fact that we physically exist within this universe mean that we are NOW a part of it anyways? Our mission is dependent on parameters within this world, the people and forces we encounter, it's not a one-way street.

Some chaos is inevitably going to be introduced into the system anyways.

>>26220610
Really? He hasn't won me over at all. He's made some points but he's asking us to choose non-existence. See >>26220456

does temerity have nuts? if so i say we kick it.

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>>26220634
>Actually, there is other thing that order and chaos together brings immediately to mind:

>Dynamos.

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>>26220634
It begins.

>>26220669
>Some chaos is inevitably going to be introduced into the system anyways.
>Don't take care of your house because it's eventually going to shit anyway
Filthy chaotic scum.

Here is a question for our friend Temerity. Was Erebus the only force of Order?

>>26220673

Yeah, seriously we ARE trying to achieve order and peace in this world, but we need to get him to see that you DON'T need to fucking kill everything to do that.

>>26220456
He basically pointed that out himself. He said he tolerated Humanity's presence because it was helping the mission.

>>26220673
Yeah. He makes points but he does not value the same things we do, and so will not give ground if we raise our points.

Just eat him.

>>26220622
>Shadow pops outta nowhere
>JUDGEMENT DESU!
>Flint shits his holy paladin britches

Oh dear. Temerity has it in mind that his order is like a great sleep, a rest at the end of the path that was made for us, and that chaos is an intermittent nightmare along that path that is to be dealt with and passed off.
Let's ask them more to find more logic fuel to solve this.

>>26220353
>ask them what they believe is justice
Then probubly
>tell Temerity that you will attempt to complete the mission, but that you will not abandon Humanity

>>26220353

<You say to choose as if there are two options. I only see one. Order and Chaos. Opposites, Inverses. The furthest points on a scale, yet at the same time, the closest. Order cannot exist without Chaos, as Chaos cannot exist without Order. To deny one is to deny both. To destroy one, is to destroy both. Our Existance, and that of the world, is more than simply Order and Chaos, or Black and White; It is an ever changing palate of the two. A myriad of greys even shifting, darkening, lightening. To Lose Temerity is to deny our form. To Lose Humanity is to deny our mind. Yes, we are not human, but as the young boy said, we are something else. If I am to be the Judge, then You all; Temerity, Silence, Hunger, Isolation and Humanity, must be my Jury. The others will join, their voices will be heard.>

<That is my answer Temerity. I accept the risk of Unity over the loss of Division.

>>26220715
Woops, meant to quote >>26220669

>>26220704
But that's exactly what Temerity is saying. Except he wants to destroy the house over ever bothering to take care of or own it.

>>26220634
Chaos has Order in it it just seems like Chaos when it is all really a lot of patterns and sequences

>>26220673
Well won me over in the sense that I didn't hit the "Humanity all the way" button. Basically I think we need both of them.

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>>26220734

You know, I would argue that if worse comes to worse we just eat him, because fuck Temerity.

But that would just prove him right, wouldn't it.

>>26220673
He's not arguing "something vs nothing" he's arguing Choice vs Duty.

In his eyes, you are *choosing the lack of ability to perform your function*. Being what it is, how can you expect it to see that choice as anything else?

We need to approach this in a binary fashion.

>>26220756
I have no image for this.

Good show sir

>>26220757
THE VOID IS OUR HOUSE YOU FILTHY CHAOTIC SCUM. YOU AND YOUR WORLD ARE THE HOUSE CANCER.

>>26220756
Beautiful.

Let's go with this.

>>26220776

Oh definitely. We can't accomplish our goals without power, but the problem is that we view our Humanity as a strength in itself, and Temerity only sees it as a ball and chain.

<...you believe that justice is what we make it?> you ask Temerity.

<The exact memories...they are robbed from me, like you,> Temerity begins. <But her power affected you more, it seems. But to your question: the mightiest have the power to define justice. It is as simple as that.>

<That's not true,> Humanity says. <There are rights?>

<Rights?>

<The idea that a living sentience has certain privileges, inseparable from its being,> Humanity says. <Sentient beings have a right to live as they might, as long as they do not harm another's right to do so.>

<A stratagem to grant power to the weak and limit the power of the strong by imposing arbitrary morals,> Temerity says. <In the end...power still reigns.>

<You make a good point,> you say. <Here's one that agrees with what you've said. I believe that Humanity has made us stronger than you care to admit. We would never have accomplished as much as we have if not for the allies we have made and the emotional connections we have nurtured. Humanity has helped us to survive as much as you have.>

<And you have reached the limits of that strength,> Temerity says. <The way forward is through order.>

<Limits, huh?> Humanity's fire flares brightly. <You sure about that?>

<Do not test me, little flicker.>

<But why must we act?> you ask. <If you're right, Chaos will burn itself out. All that will be left is us, in the end. Either way, human or not, we win.>

Temerity slowly shakes its head. <Do you not understand the basic nature of chaos? It creates more of itself. Humanity will be burned as the fire grows beyond its control, but the fire itself will expand to the far corners of the universe. It will burn everything, until there is nothing but fire, and pain, and endless chaotic cycles of energy that spin about themselves, never settling, never resting. Order will be destroyed.>

>con't

>>26220756

Good lord. Use this please, SM.

This is good shit, man.

>>26220799
It still the same argument. He doesn't want to deal with Chaos and it's problems. So he wants to destroy it over take care of it.

>>26220708
This... is a really good question, worth asking but I bet he'll say something related to merging to regain Erebus's memories. Still worth asking though.

If Temerity is the willingness to seek and use power, he should not be rejecting Chaos out of hand as a substance from which he can obtain power.

Rather than rejecting it out of hand, he should be trying to see if Order and Chaos combined are a stronger substance than either alone. After all, a pure metal is not necessarily stronger than an alloy of that substance with something entirely different (and in fact, such alloys are often made specifically BECAUSE the result is better in some respect than the sum of its parts.)

He has already acknowledged that he has let Humanity have run of things in order to gain the advantages it affords us. Is that not a form of power? He should be embracing Chaos as something new with which to improve ourselves, rather than dismissing it out of hand simply because it is different from Order.

<How do you know that?>

<It is something I've retained. I believe that is the goal of our mission: to stop this process. It is the only thing that makes sense.>

<But without chaos, there can't be order,> you say. <We can't destroy half the coin.>

<No. But we might be able to seal it up.>

<Why not keep it where it is now?>

<Do you not remember the army, headed by the demon lords?> Temerity asks. <Chaos grows. It seeks to increase and concentrate its power in greater and greater avatars. First, humans, then demons. Then in even greater beings - elementals. And after them? The roots of the weed must be pulled out. Chaos must be contained as a seed within sharp boundaries of Order. Even now, it is a shoot - but bamboo grows quickly.>

It seems Temerity refuses to acknowledge Humanity as a strength. It views humans themselves as machines of chaos...to dangerous to live. Where is the middle ground?

>ask Humanity or Temerity something else (write-in)
>reject Temerity; accept Humanity
>reject Humanity; accept Temerity
>propose to Temerity that you will attempt to complete the mission, but that you will not abandon Humanity
>try to find some other middle ground (write-in)
>some other strategy

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>>26220825
>Do you not understand the basic nature of chaos? It creates more of itself. Humanity will be burned as the fire grows beyond its control, but the fire itself will expand to the far corners of the universe. It will burn everything, until there is nothing but fire, and pain, and endless chaotic cycles of energy that spin about themselves, never settling, never resting.

But that's the beautiful thing about it, really. It's a shame Temerity can't see it.

>>26220825
He's not thinking far enough ahead. A fire needs fuel, presumably when there is no more Order to expand into Chaos will begin consuming itself.

>>26220863
are we allowed to ask the other shards how they feel about the situation?

>>26220863
Dammit. I just know you've written the solution to all this out somewhere, probably even in this thread, but it will take us hours to find it and by then it will be too late.

>>26220756
Fuck. Yes. All of my support for this.

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>>26220863

You seek the easy way out, I think you're scared of how the world is developing out of our control. But we can help direct the path it takes without destroying it utterly. Or do you believe that you're not strong enough to take that challenge?

>>26220863
He either exists with us; or we eat him.

Give him the ultimatum

>>26220863
even humans try to find some kind of order in the chaos they live in is it not are roll to guide them to see it and understand it

>>26220863
SM Temerity is such an anti-spiral. Let's leave the archonium and bring back some City 001 mechs powered by our humanity to deal with him.

>>26220911

The other shards are quiet; they await your judgement. They won't way in on the conversation.

>>26220863
>propose to Temerity that you will attempt to complete the mission, but that you will not abandon Humanity

We can't abandon either, Temerity is essential to us. But if things go south, we might have to consume one of them.

Maybe we could convince Temerity that Humanity is a kind of sharpening stone for ourselves?

>>26220863
>try to find some other middle ground (write-in)
<Erebus shattered his power, compartmentalized for greater efficiency and power. Would you not agree that that in itself is a chaotic act?>

>>26220939

But then we prove his point about "might makes right".

We want to seek a better way. If we fail to find that balance within ourselves, how can we hope to achieve it within the world itself?

>>26220947

>do you see a gateway anywhere
>I sure don't

>>26220863
I don't this >>26220756 is going to work considering that new revelation.

I say reject. We are here to make a decision about our goals. People are being too wishy-washy and accommodating. We need his power, but we don't need his world-view. It is removed from our own.

We aren't order or chaos; we're balance.

>>26220756
damn this is good. but i dont think it will work now.

>>26220863
>>propose to Temerity that you will attempt to complete the mission, but that you will not abandon Humanity

At least try to see his reaction to this.

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>>26220756

>>26220971
We aren't Light or Darkness. Not the Sun or the Void. WE are Shadow. We are balance.

>>26220964
I guess I'll include the sarcasm marks next time lol.

>>26220971

This. The old rules no longer apply, we are something new, a synthesis of the two. If Temerity insists on slaving himself to the prime directive, he will break his self on the unyielding rocks of Chaos trying to stop the tide.

>>26220992
>>26220953
Completing the mission requires destroying humanity. The mission is to kill all life.

>>26220971
>>26220962
These

>>26220963
Our judgement makes right. I judge him unworthy of his power due to his agenda. He will not see reason

>>26220962
This is pretty good.

A system with more parts will always have a higher entropy.

>>26220863
<So, after chaos eats everything and burns itself out when nothing remains, wouldn't all the constant nothing be a form of order? And thus, wouldn't order win in the end? Or are you saying you know that chaos would become the new form of order? Or that you know what happens after the end happens?

Because it sounds to me like you just want to sit in the void after the hole shebang is over. And that's boring.>

>>26220756
this.i dont think we'll find any better for now.since we are the judgement, lets judge.

>>26221002
>>26220971
>>26220756
Combine! COMBINE!

>>26221015

Yeah, this. We can't complete the old mission in its entirety.

But we can bring a kind of order to this world that allows both sides to coexist.

>>26220939
I don't think that would really work.

Aside from the problems with assimilating the part of our nature that assimilates, It would feel just as wrong to subsume what has played as much a role in our story as humanity.

>>26220935
I still like this idea, stating that we are going to try and meld order with chaos, making the two one.

Bring up comparisons to dynamos.

>>26220863

<Then why not work to establish a Status Quo? Let us work to create a world which does not deny the Chaos, but gives it a structure to grow around. A unsavory, yet suitable analogy would be a Guided Cage... Use the powers that have formed themselves to establish a Unified Leadership. Use that Leadership to establish an order with which to nurture the Chaos into something else...>

>>26221015
Of course we can't complete the entire mission, we are going to try to seek a balance but how can we try that if we don't seek the same balance within ourselves? We must have both forces to be complete.

>>26220971
We're allowed to think this all we want and I definitely think this is the route we want to take also, but we need to convince Temerity that is a path worth taking, not just tell him it's the path we're on.

>>26220962
I like this; if absolute Order is the correct way of things, there should not have been a need to separate it from itself, and there ESPECIALLY shouldn't have been distinct facets of Order to separate itself into.

Also, if he believes that might makes right, and that Chaos, if left unchecked, will be capable of overpowering Order, he should be throwing in with Chaos. If Chaos came into being once, it will come into being again in the future. And at some point, it will grow out of hand before it can be obliterated again.

He should think it better to prune the tree that is Chaos rather than burning it down and hoping a stronger tree doesn't grow from the ashes.

>>26220935
This, I like very much

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>>26221054
Another analogy would be crystals, how they can grow with pattern and order, or a garden, because he's been using plant metaphors.

>>26220863
Tell Temerity that the Chaos is more an energy source than it is a force and like Humanity which has been basically powering us can continue to serve us as a power source... Chaos can power a force of Order... this is why Humanity has been useful to us thus far and will continue to be useful... we won't need to worry about Chaos consuming the bonds of Order if all the other shards help keep Chaotic Humanity in check

>>26221109
>He should think it better to prune the tree that is Chaos rather than burning it down and hoping a stronger tree doesn't grow from the ashes.
Sometimes SM, your questers actually do it.
Second.

inb4 roll for successful convincing of Temerity
inb4 a series of 1's and 100's the likes of which this world has not seen.

>>26220935

The image of Shadow as Superman is making me giggle to no end.

But this post works well. Call him out on it, I agree that it seems like he's more scared of Chaos than just disdainful of it. He talks about how our Humanity links us to Chaos and therefore makes us weaker, but if he TRULY though Chaos was weaker, he wouldn't be so dead-set on just destroying it all.

>>26221118
FUCK YEAH BISMUTH

<Do you not create chaos by rejecting a part of us who helped us through every obstacle all this time. In my judgement you are the hypocrate here.>

>>26221131
>having the other shards keep Humanity in check
sounds like some sorta compromise not sure Humanity would be too happy about it though

If we are the sole Order of the universe, then why have we been able to gather our strength by Consuming it?

I think that we are not the polarizing force you see us as, Temerity. We are not void. Not flame.

We are Balance.

>>26221280
>by Consuming it?
>it
by Consuming Chaos***

>>26221131
We are very clearly more in agreement with Humanity on this. We would basically be appealing to him with a lie. Kind of a dumb move to do with an aspect of our-self.

<This does not have to be black and white,> you insist. <We don't have to go one way or the other. You give us form; Humanity shapes our mind. We aren't Light or Darkness. Not the Sun or the Void. We can become the Shadow that lies between the two. We can be something new - forge a balance between Order and Chaos.>

<If Chaos did not try to exponentially expand and burn all order by its very nature, you might have a point,> Temerity says. <Allow me to make myself clear, Judgement. I will not accept a balance. The chaos must be purged.>

<...unbelievable,> Humanity says. <Well, I've got my half, dammit. I say we tell this idiot to fuck off, find Abigail, get the hell out of here, and figure out how to stabilize the chaos.>

<Stabilize? Chaos?> Temerity sounds amused. <You're a fool.>

<It's like arguing with a brick wall,> Humanity mutters.

<Erebus shattered his power, compartmentalized for greater efficiency and power,> you say. <Would you not agree that that in itself is a chaotic act?>

<How is creating highly-structured specialized compartments an act of chaos?> Temerity says. <We became even more ordered.>

<...he's got a point there,> Humanity says.

<Why don't we work toward a balance?> you say. <We don't have to end all Chaos to achieve our goals - and we can't, anyway, because chaos has to exist.>

<Your half-measures will backfire,> Temerity says. <Chaos must be confined to the smallest possible kernel. We can take no more risks than what is absolutely necessary.>

<I think you're scared of how the world is developing out of our control,> you say. <Do you believe that you're not strong enough to take that challenge?>

>con't

Temerity merely looks at you. <If we were strong enough to do as you wish, we wouldn't have split ourselves just to remove the greater elementals. It was a very near thing. We have returned faster than them, as we planned, but even if we fully recover, we are not all-powerful. We have to finish the job while we can.>

<You mean destroy everything while we can,> Humanity spits.

<I will not lie. That will probably be the end result.>

<But it might be better to prune a tree than burn it down only to see a stronger tree grow from the ashes.>

<Speculation,> Temerity says. <I base my conclusions on factual observations, not on optimistic idealism. We can't waste time looking for a middle ground that does not exist.>

Temerity sits back. It seems wearied by the arguments. You sense it is running low on patience.

You wonder if anything you said got through.

But you have to make a decision.

>reject Temerity; accept Humanity
>reject Humanity; accept Temerity
>propose to Temerity that you will attempt to complete the mission, but that you will not abandon Humanity
>some other strategy

>>26221315
><We became even more ordered.>
So ordered that we find ourselves arguing with ourselves in a magical hellhole 700 years later.

The epitome of umbric engineering...

>>26221298
so we should what kick Temerity out? If anything that would be a dumb move

>>26221358
He would blame that on the chaos of the world.

>>26221315
That's not how entropy works Temerity

>>26221329
>reject Temerity; accept Humanity
He's not going to budge. Go with this >>26220456

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>>26221329

God fucking dammit

We are not abandoning Humanity. Absolutely not. We nearly killed ourselves trying to reclaim it.

But we need Temerity.

I don't want to give up either of them, we have to make them work together.

We have to. We've made it this far, we HAVE to find a way.

>>26221315
>>26221329
Holy fuck temerity IS an anti-spiral. Calling you out on ripping off tengen toppa gurren lagann SM!
JK. Because the solution they used was defeating the anti-spirals.

>>26221329
>>some other strategy
Smash them together.

I'm dead serious.

Make them accept eachother, godadamnit.

>>26221329
><I base my conclusions on factual observations, not on optimistic idealism.>
Factual observations like "Chaos is completely unstoppable and will destroy us all if we don't stamp it out first", not idealism like "Order is objectively better than Chaos because I like to sit in nothingness and meditate forever and so should everything else in the multiverse."

And this guy keeps calling US a hypocrite?

>>26221329
hold temerity with and humanity, and bash them against each other.
idiotic annoying fuckers both of them

>>26221387

Shadow Quest physics are best physics.

>>26221329
Dominate Temerity. Consume it, force it to meld with us.

>>26221412
>>26221419
It's the only way

>>26221329
you know what? fuck it. you are a part of me. if you were not i would not do this. might makes right when reason fails. eat the bitch

>>26221329
<So what if you will not accept a balance, you said yourself you are me and I you. Even if you don't accept, WE do. One way or the other you need me and I need you. I won't reject my Humanity or Temerity, I'll shoulder you both and prove my Judgement is right.>

Getting rid of what makes us dangerous might be a bad idea.

just saying.

>>26221329

You ARE scared of Chaos. But you have traveled with us, you've seen what can become of this chaos, people coming together to create a better whole. You argue that Chaos will eventually destroy itself and make the world worse, but we've seen a new city of order - no - of BALANCE rise from the ashes of a revolution.

And Haven will eventually fall. But I have faith that something better will rise from it as well.

>>26221329
>>propose to Temerity that you will attempt to complete the mission, but that you will not abandon Humanity

He is coming with us whether he likes it or not if I have to drag him the whole way kicking and screaming. I don't care if he and humanity has some conflict, but he will merge with us and we'll hear no other word on the subject.

>>26221329
>reject Temerity; accept Humanity
<There is your flaw. Chaos is change. Because you refuse to accept chaos, you refuse change. You stagnate, forever remaining the same, refusing to learn from your mistakes and the world around you, like we have. Let me make this abundantly clear. We will find Abigail. We will leave the Archonium. And we will achieve our goals without reducing this universe to a blank slate of order devoid of life, devoid of happiness.>
<And you're coming with us, whether you like it or not.>

>>26221329
<Stop being such a slut, Temerity.>

>>26221444
It would be like smashing different parts of your brain together, rather than getting them to combine you'd have mushy brains.

Let's do it.

>>26221411

Right, but they also recognized the danger of unchecked Spiral Power. Their biggest challenge, the strongest test of willpower was not to win, but for Simon to accept Nia's death and move on at the end of the series.

>>26221457
this
it doesn't matter if he doesn't like our Judgement
he has to accept it
and if he doesn't might makes right

Vote 1:
>choose Humanity; reject Temerity

Vote 2:
>choose Temerity; reject Humanity

Vote 3:
>insist Temerity bend to your whim...by force, it necessary.


>note: good stuff will be written in

Bash them together.
<I judge you both necessary for necessary us. do either of you claim to be a better judge then me?>

You guys don't fucking get it, do you? We are not here to make nice with everything, we are not here to be so overly accommodating as to be a wishy-washy faggot. We are here to choose a path. Temerity isn't going to be gone, he'll just be buried. Reject him. Take control. Wield his power. He doesn't get a say anymore because all he wants is something that we don't. This the whole fucking point of the Archonium.

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
3

>>26221511

3

Fuck you Temerity, you're coming with us, whether you like it or not.

>>26221511
3

>>26221412
Actually....I wonder if that would combine them both...

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
>No option to smash them together
You fucking disappoint me

>>26221511
3

Can't we just ask why there is a need for judgement if things are so black and white?

Because if there are no shades of gray, there is no need for judgement

>>26221511
1

>>26221511
agg. none of these are good. We've run out of time to convince them.

Cant reject temerity, or we become the first vision, can't reject humanity or we stop being us.

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>>26221536

Oh fuck I just realize I invalidated my vote.

>>26221523

now there's a thought

>inb4 massive wave of vote 3

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
3

>>26221511

>3
omg i am so excite

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
3

>>26221566
>too late to inb4
>the flood gates are open

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
2

>>26221566
GODDAMMIT

>>26221566
Actually, SM, you were
>induring massive wave of vote 3

>>26221566
>but isn't this what 3 means

>>26221566
Yup. I certainly feel silly now.

>>26221559
This is a thing worth discussing, I think.

>>26221511
2

>>26221511
2

>>26221511
1

>>26221511
3

>>26221511
1

>>26221566
Might want to restart that vote now that people have realized this tidbit of information

>>26221523

Temerity is necessary, if we murder him here there's no guarantee that we'll be the same when we leave. Kind of the point I know but I don't want us to lobotomize ourselves.

>>26221511

<You say that Order and Chaos cannot mix. This is true, at least without a catalyst...>

>>26221511
>kill self option

>>26221511
3

>>26221566
STOP THE TRAIN

>>26221559

You're the brains of the outfit.
Temerity is the power.

It defers to you because that's how it is, and it's a rather orderly fellow. Compartment-based efficiency.

Humanity is something new.

>>26221566
But >>26221523 IS option 3

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>>26221566
fuck

>>26221511
3

>>26221566
it was already coming either way. it just has more mass now.

>>26221660
The train has no brakes.

>>26221675
>and the brain says the power is coming with us regardless of what he thinks and he knows it

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>>26221566

Well, shit.

>>26221675
Does that mean that if another shadow had managed to eat us, we would have been able to do a hostile takeover and just lose some of our skill purchases? Cause that's what it sounds like.

>>26221616

That's exactly what 3 means. I wasn't being sarcastic. It was clearly the best choice based on the nature of the Archonium. You aren't here to strike a balance. This is as far away from diplomancy as you could possibly get.

3 wins by a mile, writing.

>>26221675
Hence why he should be a good little bitch and do as he is told.

Lets show him some temerity!

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

THIS IS THE SIDE WE'RE LEAVING BEHIND IN THE ARCHRONIUM

MY EYES HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT

>>26221721
Well that's awesome, because your comment made a bunch of doorknob chewers think 3 was wrong.

>>26221523
if it comes down to a fight we just shatter him and have Humanity turn him into something different like he was going to do with Isolation

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>>26221721
>knew I was right

>>26221729

And good riddance. Fuck Temerity, he represents everything about how the world sees us that we've been working so hard to change.

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>>26221721
Now we hug humanity and temerity is there just to be fuel for our friction!

>>26221675
I don't think he was asking why he was deferring to us, but rather why Judgement would be a necessary facet at all if things were as Temerity said and the nature of things was so cut and dried.

We would just be Execution, making sure the one path was carried out with greatest efficiency, rather than Judgement, which has proven capable of changing paths if desired.

>>26221721
Archonium can go fuck itself, Hell I mean we are going to try to bring someone back that was lost and I'm pretty sure you are normally not suppose to do that. Shadow be breaking all the rules.

>>26221788

That's a good point, I think.

>>26221788
Judgement is necessary because we're dealing with Chaos. We need judging capabilities to deal with this shit

>>26221788
>>26221675

This anon got me right SM!

>>26221802

We've been breaking the rules since day one.

>>26221721
>>26221729
We are subsuming it, not obliterating it.

Fang didn't lose the carefree side of himself that lost in the archonium, he just set it to lower priority.

>>26221788
>>26221810
It's possible that we WERE just the shard that kept the programming and the elf lady did some shit that made us capable of changing the code on the fly, but it'd be worth knowing if that was the case.

>>26221802
Shadow be breaking all the rules indeed.

>>26221787
We should totally give Abigail a humanity powered hug when we next see her.

huh. trying to see how our actions and the new information that we are the shard of judgment fit in with my "the shards want duality theory".

we are trying to build a nation where everyone gets along. were judgement will no longer be needed.
what is the oposite of judgement. acceptance. and that is what we have wanted from day one

So we're going to condense Temerity into a Shard, shatter it, and have Humanity work it over right?

>>26221802
The worst part is that it could be entirely possible that everyone "lost" to the Archonium COULD have been brought back, but since Archon was so much about plotting and advancing your group's personal agenda that nobody had even considered the possibility up until now that someone could go back in and "save" someone from their mind prison.

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>>26221315
>Temerity says. <Allow me to make myself clear, Judgement. I will not accept a balance. The chaos must be purged.>
>Implying he can pass Judgement.
>Implying that his shard is the shard of judgement and choice.
>Implying he has a choice in the matter.
>Implying he won't benefit the whole if we don't side with him.
>Implying he isn't a whiny little child trying to scream the loudest to get our attention so he can have his spoiled, bratty little way.
>Implying implications

Temerity is a force for Order, however as choice we are distinctly Chaotic, and can go in any direction. Humanity is a force for Chaos, however as justice, we seek out peace and order.

By simply being, we are the compilation of both shards. By simply being, we are the balance between the two. We are organized chaos. We are an evolving, changing, system.

Temerity is trying to make us believe that bringing destruction to all things will bring about true order, true serenity. Yet in the past, when there existed "true" order, and absolute nothing, a light came into being, and chaos sprung forth. If we bring about eternal night, absolute darkness, unending void, etc... then we are just ensuring that chaos will spring forth again. Again and again, without ending, we'd snuff out the candle of substance with our all consuming maw. Eventually, substance, chaos, light, and whatever else you wished to call it would overpower us. If it's going to go on and on down for infinity, then logically at some point light will prevail.

If we follow Temerity's path, then the order will eventually die forever.

comment's too long,
>cont

>>26221896
But there is an alternative. To not snuff out the candelight of the world. To not CONSUME everything. Instead we could bring about order and peace to the world. Bring forth as much order to the world as is possible. The fire will always burn, flame without end. Yet we could organize it. Let it continue to grow unending, but crystallize it. Bring forth it's light carefully. That is the most order possible in this ultimately chaotic universe, and to attempt otherwise would unpragmatic folly.

>>26221871
>were judgement will no longer be needed.

Judgment will always be needed.

But we are judgment tempered with mercy, which is something Temerity cannot understand.

We should become the one true god

Like some highlander shit

>>26221907
>>26221896
DAMNIT, I TOOK TOO LONG

>>26221878
I think we're still missing a peace of the puzzle about the Archonium's nature. What it's used for now isn't it's original purpose. It's been here a really long time.

>>26221911
Judgement is not execution. Judgement is reading in between the lines, we are not Execution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyAqbezgZU

<You can make as many points as you want, Temerity. But at the end of the day you are simply arguing that I should choose Nothing over Something. By your very nature you can't present a more substantial argument, because you only wish for an existence without substance. How do you expect me to choose you over -anything- else?>

<...are you choosing Humanity?>

<I am,> you say. <But I am also choosing you.>

<That makes no sense.>

<Humanity is as much my strength as you are,> you say. <I am stronger for my emotion. I am stronger for the ability to empathize with humans. I am stronger for Abigail's love. I cannot reject that. I will not accept its removal.

<If you accept my Judgement, then accept this: there will be balance if I have to forge it myself. Humanity is my mind and soul; you are my body - and I can't live without one or the other. I no longer ask for your cooperation. I WILL have it.>

<...it is as I feared,> Temerity says. <Chaos has corrupted your judgement. I reject it.>

<It doesn't matter. I've made my choice.>

<I refuse!>

<Then I'll force you to comply.>

Your shards gather behind you. Even Silence crouches, ready, waiting. For now, you're the leader of the pack.

<...I see,> Temerity says. <Then let us begin.>

A wave of power blasts out - then stops, a wave of frozen shadow. You try to move, but you're trapped, immobile. It begins to warp, and twist. A howling black wind sucks in toward Temerity.

You feel stripped of something.

Your Wisp disintegrates. Isolation, Silence, and Darkxis turn into tiny crystals. They clatter to the stone, and vanish. Only Humanity remains before you, burning fiercely against the black wind.

>con't

Something I noticed, since there are shadow pools on the ley lines of this world wouldn't that make it easier to find out the locations of the different shards?

>you cannot use any shards
>you cannot use any Shadow Magic Abilities (purple tree)
>you cannot use any Physical Shadow Abilities (grey center tree)
>you cannot use any Summons
>all resistances halved

<Clearly, since you're so confident in Humanity's strength, you don't need mine.>

Humanity burns at your side, a single black fire. You flex your shadow, confirming that you have yourself back under control, and stare down Temerity. Stripped of your powers, you feel naked and exposed - but you still have options. It won't win.

<Get ready,> you say to Humanity.

<I've been ready.>

What do you do?

>physical attack
>stay on your toes; dodge and counterattack
>use an ability (specify)
>some other strategy

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>>26222002

OH FUCK

>>26222029
>use an ability (specify)
CONSUME
as if there were any other option in Shadow's time of need.

>use an ability (specify)
SCHATTENKRIEG!

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>>26222029
>no physical shadow abilities

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK

>>26222029
>use an ability (specify)
Schattenkrieg. Use Hypersonic.

>>26222029
Ah, just like that time with the demon lord.

>>26222061
>>26222073
Shadow based, sorry.

>>26222029
If he has disconnected from us, then we have from him. He is weaker for it. Smash his face in.

>>26222029
alright. start with a 10 mana bind. go all in.
then berserk. and then own his ass physicaly

>>26222029
Eh, I've not really been enjoying this whole Archonium business, so I'm out for now. Good luck, everyone!

>>26222002
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyAqbezgZU
called it

>>26222029
you know what's fun about this? we are built to be dangerous even without magic. physical attack!

>>26222029
>stay on your toes; dodge and counterattack

let humanity do the attacking

>>26222029
>>physical attack
beat it to submisson

>>26222029
>>physical attack

Thank god we wen't physical and quick instead of magic.

>>26222029
Jesus, it certainly is a good thing that we're a physical monster rather than a magical one.

>>stay on your toes; dodge and counterattack
He has access to Nightblaze, so trying to magic him is probably a bad idea.

Also
><Clearly, since you're so confident in Humanity's strength, you don't need mine.>
You motherfucker, we just said we needed BOTH of you. Temerity isn't winning any points for comprehension over there.

>>26222101
Humanity isn't very strong on the combat/damage front.

>>26222029
10 point bind, then Titanic his ass.

>>26222029
dodge and counterattack with bind.

>>26222029
>stay on your toes; dodge and counterattack

>>26222114
we can still use other magics. ice strike and bind hell even fear is a possibility

>>26222029
>>some other strategy
Dump all our XP into either the water or spirit tree and let loose.

>>26222082
Schattenkrieg is a pure physical attack. Not part of the grey Shadow tree.

IT'S FUCKING ON, TEMERITY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd3l1-FG_sQ

>>26222029
oh wow we might actually use water and spirit offensive magics now

>>26222127
Wait, SM, by purple do you mean the lighter one AND the darker one, or just the lighter one?

can we do a titanic hypersonic schattenkrieg? we dont even have to worry about casualties here.

>>26222029
HEY GUYS PRETTY GOOD THING WE WANTED TO PUT POINTS INTO ALL THE OTHER MAGIC TREES ISNT IT?

>>26222029
>use an ability (specify)
Harden, followed by sharpen. We need every chance we can get.

You can still use Schattenkrieg.

How about this: have Humanity distract Temerity while you go for a 10-mana Bind. If successful, you Hypersonic Schattenkrieg him.

Y/N

>>26222181
Y

>>26222146
>http://pastebin.com/Vqpw3CZB
>Wrap yourself in your aura and fly toward the enemy

It utilizes our aura as the key component, otherwise we are just bodyslamming them.

>>26222181
Y

>>26222181
y
>gurren lagann

>>26222181
Y

>>26222181
Y but no hypersonic. i bet he can blink. dont want to waste the xp on a miss

>>26222029
HYPERSONIX TITANIX SCHATTENKRIEG