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FUCK YES MORE CATastrophe. So for this edition of CATurday, I am thinking we should talk about creatures, ecosystems and other natural type things.

Anyone have some interesting ideas for plants or animals that might have developed from the planet flooding, and the influx of alien life from the comets? All kinds of cool oceandwellers that might arise.

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>>27819788
Well there was a type of tree that was big, floated, and was amphibious as it was able to walk on land for short periods of time.

Also there's things like the floater mega-kelp and other odd things.

I was thinking of a species of mutant lily pad that can support a small village with it's size and buoyancy. But these are rare.

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Howdy, neighbor.

Just coming over from the VeloCITY thread (>>27743355) to commend the good work done here. I was here when the CATastrophe idea was first conceptualized. I didn't follow it closely recently, but it's great to see it form into something concrete.

From one homebrew to another, good job.

>>27820037
Oh hey, Mr. Blue Sky! Yeah, this is what has been interrupting my Port City project. CATastrophe is something that is my first love, although VeloCity seems a nice winter home. :D

>>27820089
I know someone joked somewhere about a VeloCITY-CATastrophe crossover, with an emphasis on watersports and offshore hijinks.

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>>27820144
Good golly... these two settings together would go together like PB&J.

the Kemomimi would love the skating and what not of VeloCity while sticking it to the buzzkill Man, and the Juvies would find the CATastrophe world to be a utopia. Of course they'd need to learn to swim and hopefully find a large enough settlement to grind, but the surfing would be spectacular!

>>27820171
You might say that. It's a thought.

>>27819788
Air jellies. A somewhat baffling mutation of jellyfish, they have a vacuum-filled 'float bladder' that enables them to rise out of the ocean to avoid predators. An immense nuisance.
Isle coral, which becomes buoyant in large quantities through an unknown mechanism, detaching from the ocean floor and becoming free-floating 'islands'. None of the reefs have gotten more than a few hundred feet across yet.
Swarm fish- a minnow-sized carnivore that travels in immense swarms, they lure in larger fish by looking like normal minnows and then rip the predator to shreds when it attacks. Tends to be docile if not attacked, thankfully.
Mechanoids- leftover ocean-monitoring biobots from the days when there was land. Indigestible and immune to aging, they swim the endless blue, occasionally surfacing to broadcast reports to agencies that no longer exist. By tuning in to the correct frequencies you can receive useful updates on weather, ocean currents, and the movements of fish populations.
Brainy octopi- not quite fully sapient, but smart enough to use simple tools, communicate by changing the color of its skin, and play fetch. A fairly common companion animal- they're too useful to really be called pets.

https://soundcloud.com/arizona-music/sets/catastrophe-soundtrack

Recent additions:

https://soundcloud.com/arizona-music/197-000-consecutive-fine -summer-mornings

https://soundcloud.com/arizona-music/night-diving-2-a-struggle-with -the-oldguard

>>27820457
Oh Hay Maestro. Once I get something done for a different TT, I'll be sending you an e-mail. Been thinking of my crew as I'll be adding them to my document as pre-made characters, as well as a starting adventure for newcomers to CATastrophe and FATE.

>>27820485
Ah, good. I was wondering what happened.

>>27820744
RL drama, two other projects needing finishing. Starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel now. It's looking great now.

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>>27819845
I would imagine they are rare and grow too slowly to be of much use. Also one of those just sounds... horrible if there is a storm. Not stable, and what if theres a tsunami or something? Any structures on it would buckle and/or splinter under the movement.

I dunno, I myself am trying to come up with utility type plants that help explain away the needs that people might have. In my setting Bananas are one of the big staples. The hub town the players return to is known as Banana Town, and they have a pretty big plantation there.

Bananas grow in the tropical climate of the setting, and they have a wide variety of uses. They can provide a good source of fiber, vitamin B and some vitamin C, they can be fermented into beer, the sap can be used as a cheap adhesive, the large leaves can be used as umbrellas, or a good roofing material, the peels can be used to filter out heavy metal contaminants, they are fibrous and can be used to make clothing and other textiles and even PAPER,

Basically fuck yes bananas.

>>27821110
>I would imagine they are rare and grow too slowly to be of much use. Also one of those just sounds... horrible if there is a storm. Not stable, and what if there's a tsunami or something? Any structures on it would buckle and/or splinter under the movement.

I'd wager so, so there would be a large margin between the number of houses and the edge.

Also Tsunamis don't happen on the ocean, but rogue waves on the other hand is a certain possibility.

I'd wager these large lily pads sit on the ocean in calm water areas that won't disturb them. So you'd not see them in the polar regions where storms run unabated and what not.

Also might be useful to know about plants to add entries for in the Bestiary. Even for the default of the setting or a little higher tech for my TT might be a smart survival thing to know for a character. :D

>>27820144
But do Kemo UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF LOVE?

>>27821323
I would hope so.
And Wut?

>>27821367
It's a Jet Set Radio Future thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V4IEV8l-gA

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>>27821417
Ah. Had to remember.

I'd think the higher-tech settlements might have sort of JSR style stuff. Although not as high-tech as most their stuff would be salvaged earless stuff.

Although seeing Kemomimi grinding down a steel wire to get somewhere makes sense in the CATastrophe way of doing things.

>>27821464
I thought it's "kemonomimi," not "kemomimi."

>>27821417
Concept of Love is the worst JSRF song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSZIej-ZraE

>>27821483
Sadly, it's commonly misspelled I think. Damn moonspeak.

I think calling them Kemos works best.

>>27821483
It is in fact "Kemonomimi".
I never thought being a closet furry would ever come in handy.

>>27821505
I always justified it by assuming that the language had degraded. The Kemomimi call themselves that because they don't know it's a misspelling.

>>27818954
No bird people? What kind of bullshit is this?

>>27821669
Torimimi?

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>>27821669
>>27821695
Nope. None.

>>27821747
Not this again. Look at the 10% in the upper right. That's the type of character.

>>27821765
Correction, Upper Left. slightly drunk.

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>>27821786
>MFW we have to constantly have this conversation... 3 times... in one CATastrophe thread...

Okay, Plants. Any more ideas?

>>27821786
Careful, that slope looks pretty slippery.

Catgirls have been acceptable on 4chan for as long as 4chan has existed, so even if it IS furry they're kosher. If you were calling them weeaboo, then you'd have an argument. Being weeaboo does not make it bad.

>>27821824
Hey it keeps the thread bumped.

>>27821846
Only when the Furries latch on.

>>27821850
Yes and it eats posts.

>>27821859
That's when you make a new thread, I'm not following you here.

>>27821888
We try to stick to one thread every two weeks. It just feels like spamming to shit up the board with repated CATastrophe stuff when it's not exactly moving at light speed.

>>27820347
> Creature
> Vacuum
I think lighter-than-air gases would be better. Maybe hydrogen or something?

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>>27823454
> Forgot to add a catgirl pic

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>>27821484
>Concept of Love is the worst JSRF song
I don't have reaction image to reflect how objectively wrong you are.
Have angry Aisha instead.

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>>27821484

You just say that because you're too pleb to understand. Understand. Understand. Understand. Understand. Understand the concept of love.

A progress report, i guess.

I got roughly to half of the diplomacy system before i realized that i don't really know where to go further with it. Some situations can be covered with what i have (if you have good reputation in a city or you are friends with a person you negotiate better), but for some situations system seems too shallow. If anyone is interested, i can explain it and you can say where did i fuck up.

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>>27821535
That's what I've been going off of.

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>>27823711

Maybe focus less on reputation and more on favors owed to players?

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Captcha: was yurgarde

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>>27820347
you realize octopi are already probably smarter than most dogs. Arguably they are even sentient, because they are smart as hell.
>octopi can learn through first hand experience or watching another octopus
>they use tools such as coconut shells to hide from predators, as well as manipulating water jets and rocks
>they have been found to play with things like toys, and have individual personalities and temperaments
>they are capable of conceptual thinking, and are extremely good at solving problems, such as getting food inside locked boxes, and even lockpicking locks to get at their prize

Octopi confirmed for best pets

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I am awake again!~

>>27821314
tsunamis form whenever there is a nearby landmass. They are rather large swells that can be damaging as they pass through the ocean, but they don't build up in size until they near a landmass, much like regular breakers, but waaaaay biggerer.

>>27821323
Yes! They can also do it like this and like that.

>>27821483
some people prefer Kemomi, but the actual term is kemonomimi.

>>27821669
I have a bird-girl in my game, but she can't fly because she was basically a failed genetic experiment from a vault like colony. She might learn to fly eventually.

>>27822596
I think original content is better than 50 quest threads, where 2/3 rds are just horrible or meh.

>>27823711
I almost always disregard diplomacy systems, because I have yet to see one that isn't stupidly unrealistic and boring. I make my players roleplay out their negotiations for the most part, but they can roll for bonuses.

I came in late to this CATastrophe thing. Is the setting playable as it is now? Are the creators of this setting looking for ideas from these threads? What can an anonymous loser like me do to help push this setting into completion?

>>27825463
Before too long we'll have a FATE Core splatbook put together, and there are a few people around here who've put together a few jury-rigged systems for fourm games, IRC and the like. I think we'll have to wait until some of them show up, though -- Saturday's only just started for most of us.

And yes, these threads have generally served as a mine for new ideas. I don't know, however, what precisely is in direst need of fleshing out.

>>27825463
Yeah, we've had a couple story times of the setting. First was like a month after the setting sprung up on the board back in the spring or late winter. Last thread someone gave one of their first session.

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>mfw I have nobody to play this with

being a lonely catboy is suffering

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>>27825463
Think of ideas for interesting plants and animals, or come up with a name for a settlement, and then flesh it out. CATastrophe is a setting. There are like 3 game systems for running games in it, but it honestly works for any system with a bit of work. I myself run a CATastrophe game using simple d6

If you have wiki experience, then sign up for 1d4chan and you can start adding in creatures/plants or settlements on the appropriate pages. Also once you have read up on the setting, feel free to write stories in the setting. It helps to have a bit of stuff like that to help new people get into the feel of the place.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/CATastrophe

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Setting:CATastrophe/Bestiary
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Setting:CATastrophe/Settlements
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Setting:CATastrophe/Writefaggotry

>>27825504
I put one together for IRC, but didn't manage to find a group for it, yet. What I still need are extended fishing and salvaging tables. I stole the wasteland junk tables from wizarddawn to create a 300 entry salvage table, and wikipedia'ed my own forty entries on a fishing table, but I need more. Random tables make games fun.

I have an adventure planned that starts out with a fishing competition, and progresses into diving for shinies, but I'll need gamefinder folk, because my D&D group isn't interested.

>>27825731
What I am thinking of doing for salvage loot in FATE is to leave it to what the DM wants to have for what is found, but having various "grades" of shiny to find. Instead of tables, leave it more to the creativity of the DM.

>>27825760
That's fine and all, and I can see a place for it, particularly for plot-hooks. But I like having random tables, too. I don't want to have to come up, on the spot, with salvage items. I'd be too tempted to produce something that suits the players' needs or, if I didn't, would feel like I was intentionally dicking players around. Random loot tables let me roll. Having DMs assign treasure that they hand-pick always feels shoehorned and wrong, to me. But if I roll 175 on 1d300? Oh look... you got a permanent marker. Score.

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>>27825760

Like a "minor shiny - common, mostly good for barter, capable of one very limited effect or only usuable as part of a larger assemblage of shinies"

"significant shiny - precious, capable of a single limited impressive effect, potential powersource for other shinies, attracts pirates and thieves, worth a fight over"

"major shiny - super rare, mere rumors of possessing one will draw in all pirates in the region onto you, and various factions will join in, capable of a really powerful effect capable of changing the fate and reputation of entire island chains".

sort of thing?

>>27818954
Although I'm not interested in running Fate...

Damn guy. Nice formatting for a homebrew.

>>27825810
Actually I have 6 grades

+0: Recyclable Junk
+1: Spare Parts
+2: Useful Salvage
+3: Intact Salvage
+4: Pristine Salvage
+5: Earless Salvage

A DM can customize what is found, either by having it as items players can keep or sell off for fangs.

I might tweak this again in the next BETA update. That with some pre-made characters and a starter adventure to boot.

>>27825820
I tried to make the flow of the document work in order from generation to supplimental information. I tried for a organic flow, and I've been hearing good things about my method.

I just hope for those that do like using fate that it is just what the doctor ordered.

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>>27825649
Someone was looking for players in an IRC group further up.

Looks interesting, to bad my group would never play this sorta thing. If it doesn't have a BBEG to punch in the balls with some variation of FUCK YOU they wont even play it.

Same with board games, I just got into Ticket to Ride and no one wants to play it because its "Stupid gay shit"

>>27827767
You could always have the party trying to find the whereabouts of an earless cache, and they have to race with pirates to find it before they do.

>>27827806

The pirates could chase them down into the water when they dive for the treasure, and then have them flee from the pirates right into the clutches of the Oldguard when they enter the ruin.

Captcha: the panyapa
Sounds like some kind of temple.

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>>27827806

The Dread Pirate Rob-ears

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>>27828552
This guy with cat ears.

>>27825328
>Octopi confirmed for best pets
Until they learn to open your drawers and eat all your food.

Speaking of octopi, its been well documented that certain species of octopi will use coconut shells as a sort of mobile bunker and others will tear off man-o-war tentacles and attach them to their bodies like some kinda venomous assault armor. Maybe we could do something with that.

>>27825783
This. At the very least, having a roll table for each grade of shiny gives some ideas for what DMs can make up themselves.

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Have installing an octopi home into the bottom of the boat be a... fuck what you'd call it? Like a feat but for your boat? and represent it with a random rolled "improvement" to the hull below the water line every so often, like it fixes a load of jelly fish tentacles to the bottom of the bottom that protect from scuba diving pirates or it could improvise temporary fixes to the hull using coconuts.

Then there's that rare time you all wake up to find it's built an elaborate mechanical device on the foredeck, with antenna and satellite dishes sticking out of it from all angles that doesn't appear to do anything but beep at random moments.

>>27829062
Are you ok? Is anyone in this thread ok in the head?

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>>27827767

You could always drop Osamallama Bin Laden and Alpaca Qaeda into the thing.

"The Jibaadist sheep is loading another RPG [Rocket Propelled Ginger - painfully itchy]! Quick! Pull everyone back onboard and let's high tail it out of her!"

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>>27829153
>>27829153
>>27829153

Everything Is Okay.

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>>27829062
Technoctupi!

Octupuses that have figured out how to use Earless tech, but have no concept of how it works, or no use for what it does. They do that sort of thing, but also create their own devices in the wild.

Octopuses can be shockingly intelligent.
http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6474

>>27829153
Of course not. This is /tg/, isn't it? We're all crazy here.

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Intelligent Octopi. Accidentially broadcasting stuff to the universe, secretly maintaining settlements without bothering anyone...

They make the world work.
Thousands of years later... Pic Related.

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>>27829435
That's not very CATastrophe...

> Much better.

>>27830175
Mass Transit. One of the better ways to get around my settlement.

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Got some setting ideas.

Arky Pelligoe: Name of a chain of islands located between 35º and 40º north latitude, and 120º to 122º west longitude.

Some of the islands of Arky Pelligoe are merely small mounds or spires of rock and sand, barely jutting out of the water at high tide. Residents on these smallest islands have houses built on stilts around these high points -- they know where the islands come closest to the water's surface without actually breaching it, and the stilts usually are metal poles driven into the rock just underwater.

The larger islands are rather steep and mountainous, featuring some trees not to be found anywhere else in the Endless Blue. There are not many wide-open places where large settlements of Kemomimi can gather, and as a result the entire chain of islands houses less than four thousand full-time citizens. The largest group, however, have settled in the largest island available, a tall crag of rock called Witnie Island; a community of five hundred Kemomimi dwells either on the peaks of the island or in a system of tunnels driven through the rock below. There is one ruined house on the east end of the island, at its highest peak, that is hundreds of years old -- the first settlers found it already standing when they arrived. Smithson House, as it is called, was carefully renovated (it was in need of a new roof, among other things), and is now the home of Arky Pelligoe's governor.

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>>27830974
So... Sierra Nevadas? Also a Southern Californian, here (just guessing that you are, too). Last thread I was told that the water is up 1,500 meters, which leaves a ridiculous amount of California above the waves.

I wanted to do the San Gabriels above LA, with a dearth of salvage beneath them. So I only did one small settlement, which is technically over Ojai. Would you be interested in developing your idea a little bit, so that I can steal it?

I'm attaching what I have so-far, in the roughest of rough drafts, in case you'd like to let me take your ideas and run with them.

>>27831258
Take what you can get -- you have my blessing.

It's amazing what a dip into Wikipedia will do for your ideas. I just looked up the San Gabriels (I'm not from California, but I've been to Tahoe a few times) and it occurs to me that the top of Mount Baldy would probably be above the surface, and the remains of the Mount Wilson Observatory would be a great place to set a Shiny dive -- if they haven't already been ransacked.

>>27831258
>>27831544
It also occurs to me that I might conceivably set a maelstrom or some kind of whirlpool about eighty miles E.S.E. of Witnie Island and claim that the currents are strange because of the unusual depth of the ocean there; in real life, that's the location of Badwater Basin in Death Valley (lowest point in the lower 48 states). You see what I mean -- one can mine a lot of ideas out of the real-life geography.

>>27831607
Grew up in "the gateway to death valley." Badwater is weird and cool, and probably would cause some bizarre-ness. The water table, there, is high as hell because of the White Mountains (I have no idea if that's the real name of those mountains--we just call them that. It's probably just part of the Sierras). Good thoughts, and I hadn't even thought about Death Valley. But I'm now thinking that it needs to be an equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle myth.

But yeah--badwater is neat. Walk a few hundred feet into a mile-wide salt sea. And it's still just up to your knees, and you're slogging through a foot and a half of salt-dirt that clings to you like onion layers. Gonna have to do something with Death Valley. Maybe Darwin's Deluge, or something.

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Vanguard Home
Founded by shipwrecked Akadmee students who were on a field trip, they discovered a massive artificial island complex designed by an earless archetect for unknown reasons. Located at 34° 43′ 36″ N, 139° 23′ 45″ E and using a geothermal reactor for power as the artificial floats some 800m above a volcanic island that was converted for the project by the Earless. The artificial island itself is anchored by multiple, hexagonal pillars coated with a unknown, shiny material that never seems to chip. The island itself is made up of hexagonal plates 1 kilometer in width, linked together by said pillars with a mass transit network integrated into the design.

The city has a it's own recycling and 3d printing facilities, and can produce anything if the Kemo has the raw materials for it. Unfortunately the computer for the 3D printer is missing a lot of clothing information, only able to make clothing seen in the 1940's around the world. That and the musically inclined Akadmee survivors picked up a "Swing" style of music they perform at their parties.

There are multiple large hydroponic farms that feed the community, large docks, and for the Akadmee survivors at the time, it felt like home. Enough to not want to leave. Other shipwrecked travelers joined the population here, as well as adventurous souls looking to find a new place to start.

>>27831940
Also note in the real world, Vanguard Home corresponds to Mount Mihara near Tokyo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Mihara

>>27831970

Is that a good place to put it? I can see that the island's had a lot of work done to it by the Earless, but Mount Mihara's only 760m high -- Mount Fuji is over 3,700. If whatever structures are on Mihara are still above water, so should Fuji be... although I don't know what they'd put on it.

>>27832178
And Mt. Whitney is 4,400m. I imagine it as a big mountain (but nowhere as big as it used to be) rising up out of the sea, with its highest point on the east, surrounded by smaller but equally steep islands.

>>27832178
The artificial island of Vanguard Home floats on the surface of the water, anchored by the supports. The supports are the tallest thing on the Vanguard Home skyline, as they are 2000m high, but the water level only rose 1500m. 740m above the island.

Has to be to be safely sitting over a small volcano for it's geothermal power.

>>27832257
I should clarify, I mean the supports tower over the island by 500m, as the supports would be 2000m tall by old sea levels.

>>27832225
Speaking of Whitney... first off? That's exactly the name of every maybe-bad-guy, bad-ass, old animal folk. Whitney has to be the cliche bad-guy name. Like the Vecna of Catastrophe.

But, if we're going by the lore I've read so far? Honestly? There's a serious-ass portion of California that is above sea level. Whitney is still a giant mountain, even with 1500 meters of sea-level rise. That's not some mountain rising out of the sea--it's a giant mountain on some rugged-ass terrain.

But Whitney is a place that is kinda gross to actually climb. It's disgustingly polluted, for an outdoors spot. Bears are all over that area, but avoid Whitney, because it's gross and ick-earless. Only dip-shit, young, male bears go there. So I think that a land animal needs to be a bear that has developed to compete with the sea-borne prey it stalks. Like a polar bear that can eat a whale. I want giant bears in Catasrophe. Not even the gay kind (maybe a little-bit the gay kind).

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I'd join an IRC group if someone set one up.

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>>27832178

Slightly trouble with Fuji san is that it's an active volcano, though that would also mean you'd probably get sizable land formation via volcanic activity once most of its base is underwater.

>>27832555

Nobody will care if you jack the flying laserbears from world of cynnibarr.

>>27834248
Actually, Mount Mihara is a volcano that is active as well, but much smaller. I would wager some earless tech involved in the construction of the island and the geothermal tap that provides power to the settlement is all part of the plan.

I would also wager with 1.5 kilometers more of water on the Earth's surface, there would be an increased incidence of geological activity. Namely earthquakes and volcanoes.

>>27834248
Gentlemimi I think we've found the solution to Neonhoggr, Chamelezord, and El Camaroned Pistolero.

>>27834295
Hmm. Maybe nobody lives on Fuji in this setting because it erupted about 100 years ago. Older folks in Vanguard are still retelling the stories their grandparents told them about the day it happened.

>>27835396
Well, probably what also caused the ship the Akadmee students were on to go off course in a storm. Their ship went aground hitting some random buildings near Vanguard Home, because of a wave that hit them from when Fuji went off BIG TIME.

>>27834248
>>27832178
I imagine Fuji would have a very high tech level or at least a very high shiney deposit due to being in Nippon and next door to Tokyo

>>27836207
That whole area would be a diver's paradise. So much salvage and tech. Same for Cali and Silicon Valley.

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>>27828856
yeah. Like dogs that are too smart, they might get to become a nuisance>>27834119
>Vanguard Home corresponds to Mount Mihara near Tokyo.
>>27834119
join #Catastrophe_Dev on rizon, its pretty dead, but we are trying to get more people.

Kav, Maestro and TDCP have made appearances. I would consider lurking it, and perhaps others will do the same.

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>>27837416
I'm on the IRC right now, just so that folk know.

Lurk_Mode=On

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Just so people know, passive aggressive shit like this:
>>>27836291

Really?
This setting has lasted at least nearly 2 years on /tg/ and now your jimmies are rustled?

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I think it is about time I start getting the forum set up for the setting. It might be time for the setting /tg/ built to set sail.

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YAY! CATastrophe!

I hope I didn't miss too much of the previous discussion, it's been a while.

I should come up with another Kim and Aggy story but I need a catnap soon. Hopefully this'll still be here tomorrow night.

>>27838086
Go for it. The more stories the better!

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>>27837639
Dont give them any attention, you crabhead. Thats exactly what they want.

>>27837639
He is right, though

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People.
Chill out. We're wasting time/energy on hating the haters. We got settlements to create, heck we are at the point now where we can start filling the final details in. We got everything else we need!

And by the way... the picture is a possibility.
What if a shipwrecked crew of Kemonomimi are "cyberized" by some earless oldguard factory? Part Kemo, Part Machine...

What could they do? could they be the heroes and heroines the world needs to hold the Kaiju-class critters at bay? Are they the reason Neonhogger hasn't scoured the Earth clean?

I've never even heard of FATE core, why didn't you use something more mainstream like d20 or d100?

>>27837639
2 years? Bullshit.

>>27838211
>Never heard of FATE
I haven't played FATE, and even I know what that is. Besides, this sort of "nonstandard" game is perfect for a universal lightweight system like FATE.

>>27838211
>>I've never even heard of FATE core, why didn't you use something more mainstream like d20 or d100?

Because both of those systems are shit? FATE core might not be amazing but it's still better than d20/d100.

>>27838221
At least one year according to 1d4chan.

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>>27838221
It's been about a year.
>>27838211
There is an alpha game that I made a few months ago that runs off of a d20 roll under system, it is still being worked on.

>>27838211
Well there is a system that uses System d6.
Another is d20 based.
I think another is d10.
I decided to go with FATE to provide another flavor.

>>27838221
Actually I think it's closer to a year and a half, so Anon is -almost- right.

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So idea behind designing this setting is something along the lines of:

>The ocean is really REALLY big. Anything could happen. So everything is canon, and at the same time nothing is canon

In other words people can use other previously established locations and characters in their stories, but nothing is concrete and unchangeable (like some sort of world map, for instance)

>>27838098
Thanks! I'll think about story ideas

>>27838221
Try 1 year, but still that's something of a real fucking delayed reaction on their part.

>>27838277
Agreed. It's insane.

Still trying to figure out how the Kaiju still fit into all of this.

>>27838272
think of it like Jazz. You can take a base concept, add what you like, take out what you don't and no one needs to say "that's not canon!". Just say it's in another part of the world ocean!

>>27838272
and now I will never be able to play this game. I cant handle open ended games like that. I need concrete cannon things to draw on. I need stated monsters and weapons, I need a world to plan things out on.

Shit man I was just starting to like this setting.

>>27838314
Oh?

You'll get that with my next update. A Beastiary, and a intro adventure. Also have you looked at the 1d4chan page? That is developing quite rapidly.

Also Weapons? CATastrophe isn't exactly a "Crawl a dungeon, kill the monster, get the loot" sort of game.

>>27838314
As far as I can tell the items, monsters, and overall setting exist but people can come up with their own ideas for communities, and the level of technology in them. I think?

>>27838343
I was mainly just using it as an example, im a foreverDM that's great at telling a story but shit at the crunch. Right now I'm "trying" to run a rouge trader game and its was killing me just trying to use the core rule book.

I just cant run games I cant just pull stuff from, creating my own local would kill me.

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>>27838364
It's true. Although at least on my end I will endeavor to give you guys a good palette to work from.

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>>27838314
But that's exactly what we've been making.

Imagine the Endless Blue as a great big felt cloth. Now imagine places like Divers Bay, Akadmee, and Pero-Pero as smaller felt objects with a little piece of velcro stuck on the back of them. You're free to not only use whichever of these felt pieces that strikes your fancy, but place em wherever you want too! Maybe your Akadmee is right next to Pero-Pero, or maybe it doesn't exist at all. Maybe you dont like Neonhoggr and leave him off the board, or maybe you like him so much you take some spare felt and make a bunch of your own seakaiju.

Of course, once you place something down on that big blue felt, you cant exactly change it mid game since consistency is a must for an enjoyable game, but a lot of arguments are skipped by leaving the world more or less malleable and just giving you a set of rules/guidelines to mold by.

>>27838343
>CATastrophe isn't exactly a "Crawl a dungeon, kill the monster, get the loot" sort of game.
At the same time, it sort of is. Shiny Dives are practically dungeon crawls in all but name. Theres more to CATastrophe than just the Dive, but that doesn't mean it should be ignored.

>>27838467
Yeah, you're right! I think the main thing to remember I guess is not to think in absolutes in regards to CATastrophe.

>>27824277
This made me loose feeling in my left arm.

>>27838558
Real XXIII art makes you do that, generally.

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>>27838189
Cyborgs ARE a thing in TAIL. Mainly affilated with Akadmee, with variety of "upgrades" alongside usual traits.
Pic very related.

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>>27838391
>>27838440
I'm excite.

You're doing a great job! Thank you so much! This setting brings joy into the indescribable torrid hellscape that is my life.

I wish I had some made-up lore to post, but I don't yet. I'll be thinking up ideas for adventures, settings, possible lore ideas (I've been meaning to make a CoconutPunk vs. ScavengerPunk list to help people flesh out the tech levels in their own individual quests.

Please please be here when I get back!

>>27838343
Mostly tools instead of weapons. Knives, spears (it's a knife! On a pole!), wrenches...
Real weapons are used mostly by dojo ship crews, since they need to fight with kaijus and oldguards.

>>27838606
Ah, then as some Akadmee Students/Staff made it to Vanguard Home, they might have their own unique take on Cyberware. Fascinating!

>>27838632
Well as long as there is no shit-storm, we're good.

>>27838673
Dojo ship crews? Tell me more.

>>27838679
Sorry, that was from me.

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So. I'm new to this whole CATastrophe thing.

Megaman legends.

Does it fit?

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>>27838679
The closest setting has to police force/army, roving bands of vigilantes on ships. Fight kaijus, scare off cleptomanders, "aggressively salvage" oldguards, while being THE LOUDEST PARAGONS OF HOT-BLOODEDNESS.

>>27838752
Ah, so like the Vanguard Home Maritime Defense Force? Cool.

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>>27838752
>>27838780
Are there two settings of this or something?

>>27838809
No more like the setting for the TT I would run (and write up as a setting book after I'm done with the main FATE book).

>>27838780

they're not affiliated with any cities at all. Each JoJo ship is more or less independent state.

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>>27838752
Anything else about that to share?

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Did someone say Kaiju? Because I really think that would fit this setting well.

Catgirls fighting other catgirls seems to be a touchy subject, but fighting animals is surely fine? What if monster bones, hides, scales, are valuable assets for armor, medicine, tools, and all sorts of stuff? And monster meat a delicacy.

So yeah, like an aquatic, happy, catgirl Monster Hunter type thing.

>>27838985
That is a thing, even in a higher-tech community, animals provide vital components to be recycled.

>>27838985
Well we already have Neonhoggr, and for some Chamelezord and El Camerones Pistolero.

>>27838809
If she stopped eating so many popsicles maybe she wouldn't have to unbutton her shorts.

Get it together, lady.

>>27838985
Someone posted a quest idea in another thread that was based on the Jhen Mohran fight. I think it'd be cool to have characters or crews whose sole job is hunting giant sea monsters.

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>>27839109
I think these two girls found something...

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Although obviously a lot of flexibility is allowed in this setting, there seems to be a few solid rules. One of which is that this is a happy setting. But it seems like once you start introducing danger and fighting there's always going to be that question of what is too dark. So maybe it would help us to have a few simple concrete rules, and besides strongly recommending that people follow those, quests can take any form at all.

Any suggestions? For me I would imagine having no overt references to
>Kemonos being killed
>Sex
>Excessive suffering (torture, rape, starving, depression, etc)

I don't mean to force my ideas on others though. I'm just thinking out loud.

>>27839166
I'd say the last one is something that should be right out. the others CAN happen (I mean it is an RPG with dangerous critters and pirates, and partying kemomimi), but the last on just flies in the face of what CATastrophe really is.

>>27839166
How is sex dark? It creates new life and creates the next generation.

>>27839166
You know it's retarded to mention these things not to do instead of suggesting what to do.
"The setting is intended to be lighthearted, something out of adventure movies or cartoons. bla bla" is better than "Don't kill character, don't have sex, don't torture or rape." Which already is even in mentioning it a huge turn off and completely unnecessary since those who want it will do it and those who don't want anything to do with it will be grossed out.

Also with that picture of yours I don't trust any word coming from your mouth about lack of sex.

>>27839166
I think it is perfectly fine for a player's character to die saving the party if the player is leaving the group. I think Noble Sacrifices are the hallmark of Noble.

As for sex, I think that should be left to the table.

As for excessive suffering... Not even the worst of Kemonomimi would do that. Only a monster would conceive of such things.

>>27839223
Pretty much this, though I think it's more towards stuff put into materials, not just games.

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>>27839166
>>Kemonos being killed
I personally like the idea of going with the whole "death is avoided, but you can get crippled to the point of not being able to go on Dives anymore" thing, where you can effectively kill a character off without actually killing them. So basically, everything up to and including limb loss is kosher for me, especially if cyborgs come into play, since cyborgs are always fun. That said, if the DM said they wanted a more lethal game of CATastrophe, I wouldn't object.
>>Sex
Just take all the flamewars on /tg/ regarding sex and apply to this setting. I personally don't see the need to include sex in a tabletop game, but if your group wants to go there that's your call. I don't see how sex makes a setting more dark or why you had to bring it up at all, though. You can always imply it fairly tastefully like Wakfu did if you absolutely need to go there.
>>Excessive suffering (torture, rape, starving, depression, etc)
There is really no need for any of this. No matter how dark you make CATastrophe, the moment you include rape and torture you are drastically missing the point of the setting.

>>27839205
I dunno. I don't think it's dark, it just seems to not mesh with the childlike innocence of the setting. But that might just be my opinion.

>>27839223
The reason I posted this is mainly because I've seen some people complaining about quest ideas by saying they were getting too dark. But this was for very tame stuff like haunted islands, fighting monsters, etc. I thought that if we had a couple rules that everyone agreed on and gave people the freedom to do anything inside of those rules, then there wouldn't be any complaining about what is dark and what isn't.

But you make a good point. The entire setting's about freedom.

And I'm really sorry but it's surprisingly hard to find pictures of catgirls that fit in this setting and are conservative. Swimsuits seem to the be universal apparel)

>>27839294
I'd say go with Saturday morning cartoon from the 80s level of darkness, sure it might be a little on the dark side, BUT it's not I torture the pirate captain.

>>27839294
I'm not going to use it but I think it fits the setting more then you realize. Party's lead to sex in most if not all cases and in a carefree world like this I think they would be humping like rabbits

>>27839166
>starving
That would make for an interesting character point. It's always compelling to see the character who overcomes hunger and vows never to go hungry again.

>>27839308
>I'd say go with Saturday morning cartoon from the 80s level of darkness
You can get pretty dark with that, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHSXGVwqlTs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt0KUz4Yg-Y

>>27839316
I think the anon means like famine level stavation, not oh god I'm hungry levels.

>>27839332
True, but notice it stops at a certain point, no actual torture, no rape, yadda yadda.

>>27839166
> Depression
Animals hate people being depressed. I've sat down somewhere feeling sad, and a cat will just come up and cuddle and purr to make me feel better.
So, if the community gets wind of a kemomi being depressed, there'll be a huge effort to cheer them up and include them and remind them of just how FUN life is, then work through their problems.
And it works, because sun, sea, and catnip.

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>play vidya all night with friend
>quit at 5 in the morning
>"I think ill see whats on tg real quick before bed."
>CATastrophe thread

god damnit

You now realize that if Kemo ever make it into space about 40% of any vessel's systems will be dedicated to making shit as comfortable as possible. Space shuttle without Vidya? Forget it.

>>27839630
Kemo Space Program. I call it.

>>27839630
Space shuttle without windows that allow sunny places to curl up.

>Nekomimi Why. jpg

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>>27839737
> Wh-Why would you DO that?
> Th-That's unthinkable! Horrible! Atrocious!

>>27839764
Oh I'm not suggesting it, just you know at some point it would become an issue.

Out of pure curiosity: do Catfolk know every corner of their Earth?Are there some "terra incognita, here be dragons" lands?

>>27840112
They know what they've seen. Most of the Earth is underwater, so the whole thing is Terra Incognita because they can't deal with it.

>>27839737
>>27839630
> no freshwater shower
> no 'nip allowe
> no comfy sunny spots
>shitty air without the aroma of the sea
DROPPED.

>>27840166
So it's possible that somewhere there are archipelagos full of different -folk, maybe even Humans?

>>27840112
Every settlement only knows what others have seen. Only places like the Akadmee would have access to world maps.

>>27840187
Humans are DEEEEEEAAAAAAD-!!
Seriously though. No.

>>27840279
>Humans are DEEEEEEAAAAAAD-!!
Or are they? Mwahahahahaaa.

>>27840298
Even if they're not, they gives no fucks about earth, except maybe the reality TV idea, then it's about the same as actually giving a fuck about the setting for the next Survivor.

>>27840187
No. Earless would have spread out and re-conquered the world. The lack of them is evidence in itself.
They're out polluting space instead.

>>27840298
You're a program Johnson, you don't count.
>>27839737
> absolutely disgusting.jpg
>>27839729
Fund it. They have archaotech so… it might work.

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>>27840279
>>27840298
>>27840309
>>27840329
This is why I like having no definitive answer.

>>27840342
Truth be told I'm okay with it being like maybe an enclave that somehow managed to survive, but dang if I don't prefer the reality TV idea that was pitched at some point.

>>27840380
So do I. Everything from Nature programs to straight up drama. The Kemonomimi are practically free entertainment.

>>27825328
Too bad that they are about as socially adept and unable to be capable to concept actual relations with others.

Why are bears natural sailors anyway?

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>>27821110
>Banana Beer
...holy shit, such a thing exists?

>>27840992
They're nomadic by nature, and they take up the life of a mariner at a early age.

>>27841054
Oh, just because somebody had to be the nomad race and bears didn't have anything yet? I was wondering if wild bears secretly sailed the high seas and somehow I never heard about it before.

>>27841073
Pretty much. Although Bears can settle down, they always seem to always want to be on the move. That's why you might see a odd number of bear captains in some areas where Bears are known to live.

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So what exactly are El Camaroned Pistolero and Chamelezord?

I can guess that El Pistolero is a Giant Pistol Shrimp but other than that i dont know any thing about the two.

>>27841181
You're right about Camarones Prisotlero, and Chamelezord is basically a giant chameleon that shoots lasers out of its eyes.

Both are unofficial kaiju

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>>27838343

Harpoon guns, Tazers, beanbag guns (double strike from having the dog and cat eared crew launch themselves after the beanbags at the antagonist's face) and various more exotic non-lethals (Nip gas, sonic guns, air horns, jelly whips, holophones, Dot guns).

>>27838307

GIANT SEA MONSTERS IN AN OCEAN GAME.

Go read One Peice.

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>>27839166
>Death
In TAIL it's not death per se - even if you lose consciousness during a dive you get washed up somewhere else. You then have option of dropping character, reuniting them, whatever. However you can do this no more than three times. More than three and character decides that shit is too dangerous and retires. This system also allows for older characters, excanging injuries for more skills/bonds/equipment.
Death can happen but as a very rare and poignant thing - stuff that turns entire campaigns.
>sex
why it's listed as"dark"? As long as group agrees on what is comfortable for everyone present it's okay.
>suffering
I am not a fan of including this even in more gritty campaigns - we're not playing Spanish Inquisition. In CATastrophe this will be definitely out-of-place. If a campaign centers on building a village, however, food quesion is to be expected - but it's assumed that you can get bare minimum by fishing or foraging. And hey, how are you going to have "bounty hunters/hired workers on a boat" campaign without good old hunger? Yes, pic very related.

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>>27842274
>everyone know how much cats love water
Cats fucking love water, holmes.

>>27839308
I think Wakfu level of seriousness could be the ideal for the setting.

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>>27842274
>implying furries
But this is dot, so i'll just be back to my quiet little game mechanics corner.

Speaking of game mechanics, anyone has any experience with Golden Sky Stories? I heard there's good social mechanic and i want to see as many social mechanic examples as possible. So far i have only Contacts from Traveller and Lois/Titus mechanics from Double Cross (but they don't really fit).To elaborate, i want a good chunk of progression be social - meeting new people, getting allies, becoming famous...

>>27841516
I might regret asking this, but what is a jelly whip? A whip made of jelly for maximum smackage? A whip with a sting like a jellyfish, figuratively or literally?

Google just gives me recipes.

>>27841516
>beanbag guns (double strike from having the dog and cat eared crew launch themselves after the beanbags at the antagonist's face)
God help us all if someone salvages some kind of disc launcher gun.
>>27842848
I think its a whip made from a jellyfish stinger, kind like what some octopi will do with man-o-war tentacles.

>>27842969
>God help us all if someone salvages some kind of disc launcher gun.
The projectiles are your party members.
The horror... THE HORROR!

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>>27843042
>>27842969
I GOT IT I GOT IT I GOT IT!!!

>>27843042
>Meanwhile, in Kemonomimi R&D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfY-uYwHv50

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>>27843173
They went too far.
I suggest we raid the Akadmee and steal this abomination.
to hide it somewhere, i swear!

>>27842560
>"However you can do this no more than three times. More than three and character decides that shit is too dangerous and retires."

I'm sorry, but at least with me, I don't like that. I don't like forcing when a person should retire a character one way or another. It brings the mood at the table down when a player knows they're on their last life and the dice have decided to take a crap on everyone.

>>27843411
Fair enough. I was thinking about it myself and it really breaks in some places.
Would DH-like fate point system be more appropriate? With gaining these points for awesome stuff you do and mighty loot you unearth (unwater?)

>>27843471
>>27843411

the way i think of it, can Washing Up or serious injury result in semi-permanent Luck decrease? I am very much against injuries decrasing main stats,but Luck is supplementary and does not deathspiral as much.

>>27843471
>>27843567

Well, FATE Core has a system where you can do everything from get bonuses to rolls to creatively edit your surroundings or always make sure you have that one bit of equipment you need at the moment.

As for the washing up thing, I just use that as the gateway to a new adventure. As for serious injuries, those already have a mechanic in FATE (Consequences) that disappear over certain lengths of time.

>>27843173
>FIRST Robotics
Man, those were some fun times.

>>27843625
TAIL was based on FATE at first, and it still has some mechanics from there. Traits are as all-encompassing as aspects (they can describe your character's strengths, weaknesses, knowledge he posseses, quirks...). Luck pool is FATE points' cousin - used for enhancing rolls, for invocation of certain traits (not all, mind) and now for retirement. Still it seems kinda arbitrary, but at least you have your say in it.

>>27843843
Again, not a fan of forced retirement. Characters in CATastrophe should seem resiliant.

>>27843900
True. The characters live in a much nicer world than ours, but that doesn't mean there's no death or crippling injuries whatsoever. There's enough death to go around -- they just don't DWELL on it; they just figure it'll come when it comes, and the goal in the meantime is to get as much partying, as much adventure, and as much romance out of life as possible.

Captcha: variable tresplie

>>27843900
Yeah, you're right. Just leave Washing Up as a consequence for (seemingly) fatal situation and let the player decide?
Anyway, TO THE CUTTING BOARD!
...that reminds me, Tenra Bansho has "dead box" system which gives character engaging in combat massive bonuses... but DM now has license to kill him. And it's used, because TBZ really stresses that sometimes success of the mission is much more important than character's life. Plays into heroic sacrifice trope too.
Applied in less grim fashion and not for combat this could be a nice replacement.

>>27843900
>not a fan of forced retirement
That may be the case, but you have to admit its a good workaround to death for those who want a more "lethal" game. And besides, you can be resilient and still have a breaking limit. For kemomimi, it could be less "fell off a high building and am now crippled for life" and more "I just got punched by El Pistolero so I'm gonna take it easy for a while."

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>>27840187
humanity is gone for... reasons. No vault dwelling survivors or whatever. Its pretty much unanimous that we are saying this because we want to avoid Humanity Fuck Yeah takeover.

The most I have seen with humanity that has gone over well is they are distant watchers, possibly behind floatguards and such, or that there might be a cryosleeped human group that dies off shortly after being unfrozen, which is mysterious as hell.

>>27841040
YES! I was looking for a believable source of alcohol, and bananas are a definite winner. It is now my goal to try banana beer IRL.

>>27842274
wildcats and even some domestic cats love water. My cat would try sneaking into the shower with me if I didn't close the door.

>>27839166
I like TDCP's idea of emergency flotation devices. If you get KO'd or run out of air, your vest inflates, and if you are in open sea it takes you up to the surface, where you are laughed at for being a failure and being floated up.You might have to roll to see if you get lost though by surfacing far off, and you might miss a session or two IC.

If death happens though, it happens. I am not going to say that a shark that wants to eat your face got bored and left you alone, but I will make sure players know when death is a thing that might happen. Mostly the dangers relate to losing shinies, supplies or getting captured in my game.

>>27843900
Kemomis never die, they just don't come back from dives.
Should anyone die NOT on a dive, they're dressed up in their dive gear and buried at sea; a Last Dive that returns them to the ecosystem.
Anyone without dive gear is given an old set nobody's using and buried in it.

Oceans can dispose of anything, given time. And since the kemomi get everything from the Endless Blue, it makes sense for them to return to it in the end.

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>>27844033
> Catgirl pic

>>27843900
>>27843972
Since we're talking about arbitrary stuff; What about morale mechanics for combat? I wanted to make them reflect quick-but-not-deadly nature of combat and make one party give up when it's clear fight is going badly for them.
Then again, this ends up as "party-wide HP", which can be applied fairly well to NPC opponents, but very questionable for party.
And your average PC will fight for his shinies until he can't move.

>>27843993
>For kemomimi, it could be less "fell off a high building and am now crippled for life" and more "I just got punched by El Pistolero so I'm gonna take it easy for a while."
what i was thinking when writing retirement. And restoring faith in diving after getting lots of shinies/some ancient technology that improves life in the town could be a good addition to that mechanic.
Or even a plot point for campaign - Are you badass enough to show disgruntled veteran that there are still wonders under the surface of Endless Blue?

>>27843984
>Yeah, you're right. Just leave Washing Up as a consequence for (seemingly) fatal situation and let the player decide?

Best way to do it. Better to have a player tap out when they know their character's had it.

>that reminds me, Tenra Bansho has "dead box" system which gives character engaging in combat massive bonuses... but DM now has license to kill him. And it's used, because TBZ really stresses that sometimes success of the mission is much more important than character's life. Plays into heroic sacrifice trope too.

That seems a bit forced for a combat light game. Well, soft combat game.

>>27843993
The question is, as people should know what CATastrophe is supposed to be like, Death should be the furthest from a Kemo's mind.

In fact the "Party Tody because you may Die Tomorrow" mentality violates the real themes behind CATastrophe.

>>27844103
>That seems a bit forced for a combat light game. Well, soft combat game.
In CATastrophe case this would be "screw this, i'm out" switch. How exactly "out" is again at player's discretion.

I think some people have strayed from the overall concept of CATastrophe. This is practically a mission statement a Anon wrote a while back.

>What is CATastrophe?
>CATastrophe is a game of oceanic exploring and salvage, beach parties, and catpeople. It is intended to be a lighthearted, easygoing, mostly tropical setting wherein the animal eared inhabitants of a flooded earth make due with what they've got. It was created both as a break from more dramatic and serious settings as well as in an attempt to capture the sensation of coziness and wonder found in this picture, which is in fact the inspiration for this RPG.

Things aren't supposed to be a life-or-death struggle. Seeing the conversation here suddenly made me realize that everyone should be reminded that CATastrophe isn't supposed to be a grimdark grindfest. Or some "kill the monster get the loot" dungeon dive.

>>27844141
Not sure what you mean.

>>27844150
The problem is that when you dig deep enough into the setting, questions like this inevitably arise. Better to hash them out now, if only to keep it from poisoning the game.

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>>27844150
speaking of that, what else should i add? Other thread had a few god ideas but i lost it and am to sleepy now to search archives (but, apparently, not sleepy enough to stop developing.)

>>27821483
"Kemomimi" is a truncation following a standard Japanese contraction form, and is used even by the original artist. [0] It's reasonable to modern ears. Pun not intended. Shortening that all the way to "Kemo" is probably okay in context, too.

[0] See picture at the link below, or at >>27838115 if it's still there.
http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1365/78/1365786964347.jpg

>>27844033
Anything contracting "mimi" to "mi" is nails-on-a-chalkboard, though.

More to the point, dive gear is probably too expensive and useful to spend it on dressing up corpses in. ("Last Dive" as a euphemism for "death" and/or "funeral" is a good one though.)

How about Death only occurs if all members of the party get knocked out of combat ie unable to fight back. This way even if one member escapes the encounter the party still lives waiting to be rescued. Like maybe the robot/badguy or monster takes them to some secret hideout or cave. Those party members are out until rescued (alternatively the adventure could proceed from there).

>>27844169
It's like Washing Up situation.
Some characters do heroic sacrifice at the peak of campaign
Some just decide to settle down somewhere and become a family man.
Some win back family's respect but decide to (again) settle down.
Or just get tired of diving after one stressful trip.

Again, those are just few examples and you can disregard "heroic sacrifice" one.

>>27844258
NO. All sorts of NO.
The setting for the longest time has had it where if the party gets KOed, they only end up in some sort of disaster that leads to some new misadventure. That, and having any shinies found on the dive/adventure lost as well is a good penalty.

>>27844277
But again, the game mechanics are forcing a decision that should be left to roleplay. I'm glad at least with what I've been working with everything I need is in the default rules.

>>27844258
I'd say no, especially since most combats begin or end up as contests "who can scare the other side the most" and wild creatures being very silly, hugtopus, for example, is either a very depressed creature or a creature that lives off body heat (depending on setting version) and most he can do is to stall your party (wasting air reserves that could be used in better ways). A few bonks is enough to drive him off.

I still like the "player decides what happens after Washing Up" the most, since CATastrophe is meant to be played by players who are on the same wavelength and it won't be hard to adjust tone.

>>27844285
Thats what I ment. perhaps I shouldnt have said "death". This sort of thing should be left up to the DM's digression. But I think penalties should only apply in a TPK (or in this case Total Party Incapacitation). Charachter should get penalties for taking damage but the whole party receives a big penalty (I.E. you lose X amount of gear/items) if they are all taken out.

I agree that Character death should only happen if something REALLY REALLY bad happens.

>>27844103
>Death should be the furthest from a Kemo's mind.
I never mentioned death, I mentioned the Kemomimi in question being fed up enough with the beatings its taken to take a year or two off of Diving and just relax and party it out for a while.
>>27844150
I'm gonna have to direct you back to the felt board analogy from earlier. You may not want these things and don't HAVE to include them, but others may want a little more peril in their Dives to further accentuate the happy fun times. Nobody is trying to make it a grimdark grindfest, but there will be at least a little conflict in order for there to be adventure.

Somebody likened it to Wakfu earlier and I think that's a very apt comparison. In Wakfu, there was loads of conflict and even the threat of death Hell, Grovy DID actually die at the end of Season 1, but that never stopped the setting from being cheerful and happy or the protagonists from being carefree and adventurous. Its all about balance.

>>27844300
>the game mechanics are forcing a decision that should be left to roleplay
perhaps, yeah. Should sop cannibalizing other games for ideas, i guess.
And simplest decision is the best one.

What about morale in combat then?

>>27838732
Maybe something like this, but the ruins are just skyscrapers and the like, any buildings that were sealed off before the ocean levels rose? I love the idea of being able to venture into an office building and follow the stairs down to the seafloor, and potentially below? Say, a sealed-off subway system? Coastal cities like New York could become vast networks of undersea ruins, ripe for plunder.

>>27844420
Simple: the enemy is big, you're gonna be scared as hell. Modify rolls accordingly.

>>27844427
Doable. Remember when the Earless fell/left, they left behind lots of sealed buildings. If they went extinct, they did so to protect their legacy for the next civilization to find. If they are still out there in space, then it was left there as something to find.

Also, in general I think we might be thinking the same way but expressing things differently. Dying, Career ending injuries, those can happen. But I feel those two events should be more of a player retiring their character voluntarily. Otherwise I'm not adverse to losing fingers, losing an eye, getting cool as hell scars, or getting your tail half-amputated.

Just more stories to tell at the bar, right?

>>27844478
no, morale as in >>27844056. I wanted combat at least with pirates be more about demoralizing/confusing the opponent, not about punching.

>>27844513
Well, whatever your stat is for Will, occasionally in stressful situations have players/enemies roll it, with a increasing modifier as things ratchet up.

>>27844539
Then again, deciding to end the dive like that could be unsatisfying. on the other hand, it provides a choice between playing safe or diving headfirst into something unknown.

Third factor is exploration in places where you aren't on timer (air). For these morale could be useful.
...maybe refluff it as tiredness?

>>27844589
Yeah. Fatigue... err Tiredness sounds VERY CATastrophe.

Oh and one note, at least for my rules, air supply with scuba gear is more plot device. Taking physical stress might also represent losing air.

>>27844650
partly because of my shitty grasp on english language which becomes much worse at night.

And i was thinking about air management used as timer for dives and incentive to get better gear. Of course rule 1 is that there's always enough air to get to the surface.

>>27844773
Old ideas were to literally have the session on a timer, with an emergency reserve tied to the flotation devices that pop you back to the surface.

Kemomimis are immune to the bends because ears and genetics.

>>27844773
Smart...

I was thinking with FATE I could have a "Air Stress" track, where players could take physical consequences to prevent losing air, or trade a box of the air track to get a FATE point as their character puts more effort into a task or while they get out by the fur of their tail, their air line got nicked and they're losing air faster.

>>27844833
Yep, that is still a thing too. And yes, Kemos don't get the bends. They can go pretty deep too. Although the super-deep places (over 3km) they would still need a diving hard-suit.

Is there a genre way to handle the typical cat reaction to unexpected circumstances? Any cat owner (pardon, "staff") knows "I meant to do that."

>>27845134
That should be more RP than rules, I think.

Perhaps having a devil-may-care attitude would suffice?

>>27845134
That's how Diver's Bay got started. They sort of crashed ships into things and MEANT to do it. So it never got un-done, and it turned out to be a good idea.

>>27844833
The ones working by holding their breath won't have the problem at all.
SCUBA users may, but efficient nitrogen re-uptake mechanisms in their cell walls and blood vessels could reduce the problem of the Bends.

>>27845213
Now, let's not get too siency-wiency about this. Let's just say the Kemos don't get the bends. Period. Why? Earless genetic engineering.

>>27845134
The way i did it, some bestial quirks transformed into minor personality traits. Stuff like bunnies working much better when not alone, cats being curious and feeling comfortable in cramped spaces (i always found my old cat in places he wasn't supposed to fit in but somehow did), dogs being generally more dutiful. Nobody is forcing you to take such traits, though - stereotypes often prove themselves wrong.

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>>27845229
On the other hand, having some Shiny too deep to get to means there is a reason for cute submarines.

>>27845357
Hell yeah! We always gotta have that Bear captain who speaks with a Russian with Scottish brogue accent.

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>>27845377
Still not very keen on bears/mice.
Well, mice are on Nekomasu's pictures, but i just don't see what bears could do that dogs cannot.

>>27845229
It sort of depends on why the setting attracts your players, and how much darkness the Ref adds to the default.

On a scale of 0 (utopia) to 10 (we're fucked), the default CATastrophe rates about a 2. Most RPGs are above 5, and many RPers aren't going to know what to do with themselves in such a light and airy setting.

Add just the right bits of Darkness and players drop into roles they know. The right bits vary from group to group, though.

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>>27845403
>>27845377
All the justification for bears you should need.

I prefer the idea that earless flattened out most of the planet before the comets, and the oceans only rose far enough to leave the vast majority of ruins no more than a hundred meters below the surface. These things can explored with simple suba gear, or even a deep breath if you're good enough.

There are other ruins, though. Strange bases in the deepest chasms and plains of the ocean, protected by old robotic guardians but filled with the most precious of shinys. You would need a submarine to get to these, where sunlight never reaches and large and mysterious creatures lurk just outside the lights of your sub.

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>>27845486
Oh, terraforming DID go crazy, alongside with cities on platforms and so on. Since most of it is now underwater, GM is free to adjust exact cities' locations.
i'd totally run an adventure in waterproofed moscow metro. It's like a natural dungeon.

>>27845403
Bears are the tough, strong, nomadic type. And there is an example of a bear in that picture you posted.

Dogs should be more Stamina than Strength.
Bears are all about lifting that weight.

>>27845486
In this case, with the depth resilience of the Kemos, I would say they can probably dive without protection (as in a sub or hardsuit) to about 2000m. Although past a pretty shallow depth they need drysuits as the water is COLD!

>>27845638
huh, thought it was mouse too.
I'll still keep three at first, if only for simplicity.

>>27845536
Rapture 2.0

>>27845686
The one with the small round ears is a bear. the BIG round eared girl is the mouse.

>>27845752
That's what I thought when I saw that pic.

>>27845763
And I meant the subways

>>27845768
That would be a cool city to develop as some sort of earless-tech settlement. For those who want CATastrophe with a bit of neon and chrome.

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>>27845796
That...

Cyberpunk kemomimis. Same happy-go-lucky attitude, but dressed like 80s cyberpunk extras.

> nommody decreed
Decreed what?

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>>27846184
Polite bump to keep it alive overnight.

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>>27837416
>Like dogs that are too smart
Just imagine gif related, but with an octopus.

>>27848496
You will never have an Octopus who grabs his own kelp blanket and hides in it to be comfortable when he's not playing with you.
>Feels bad mimi,gif

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>>27838272
>Anything could happen

Action Scene music:
>http://youtu.be/E06cNv55jTs

>>27844222
megaman legeeeends

>>27846184
sounds legit. Someone wanna mess with this?

>>27845403
I don't see what ANY of these nearly-identical-eargirls can do that other nearly-identical-eargirls cannot.

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>>27848723
you know you're clever, right?

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>>27845333
Racial buffs debuffs are a thing in my game, which is largely freeform but running under simple d6.

Lapine (Bunny) Buffs: Agility, Swim, Flee, Leg Strength
Debuffs: Bravery, Spot

Ursine (Bear) Buffs: Strength, Intimidate, Bravery, Toughness
Debuffs: Agility, Spot

Otter Buffs: 2x swim, Agility, Flee
Debuffs: Strength, Bravery

Fox Buffs: Agility, Flee, Spot, Stealth
Debuffs: Bravery, Strength

Feline (Cat) Buffs:Agility, Spot, Safe Fall, Stealth
Debuffs: Attention Span, Strength

Canine (Dog) Buffs: Strength, Spot, Swim, Bravery
Debuffs: Agility, Flee

Bird Buffs: Agility, Flee, Spot, Safe Fall
Debuffs: Attention Span, Bravery


These aren't like super balanced or well done, and I just kinda threw em together, but they seem to make things interesting thus far.

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>>27845486
that is so absurdly unrealistic. WHY would they spend billions upon billions of dollars to get rid of high value real estate properties such as mountainsides, sea cliffs, valley and such. There would be absolutely no reason to level the land. It already costs millions of dollars to level the land enough for stuff like highways. This is even more unrealistic than waters rising hundreds of meters.

>>27845457
fuck. yes.

>>27848761
dem bunnygirl thighs. Kicks like a horse, jumps higher, and runs fast. Dogs are sturdier and more tenacious, even to the point of stubbornness. Bears are just strong as fuck. Cats are lithe and agile, and sneaky to boot, but they get bored easily.

I know in the CATastrophe FATE system there is the option to have no racial bonuses or debuffs, and if you REALLY dislike kemomi, you can just play them as humans.

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Nomad Isles are a set of two islands near each other connected by a vast bridge, forming a Medium Tech settlement. They are not far from Akadmee, so their harbor gets plenty of trade and visitors from the legendary settlement.

The northern island holds a large suburban town, beaches and a famous beachside walk full of hotels and restaurants. The southern, larger island is much more rural, covered mostly by forest and holding a small farming village within a valley and a smaller suburban town near the bridge that connects the two islands.

>>27845457
Meh, I would like to keep as far away from /tg/ typical bearwank as possible. That shit gets old fast.

>>27853152
Sorry, but the Earless reached a tech level where terraforming was easy.

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Yay! I'm back!

As always I'm going to just describe random lore ideas in my head and people can just ignore them if they don't sound good.

>Whalefall
A massive community several miles long, built on the bones of the largest sea monster ever discovered. The colossal bones have cave-like little This leviathan was was defeated by Max The Great, who promptly set about having the world's largest barbeque to celebrate. During this party, countless Kemonos came from near and far, and helped carve makeshift shelters and roads into the creature's bones. As time passed, this tangle of bone walkways turned into a genuine settlement. There are very few permanent residents - almost everyone here uses it as a launch point for their monster hunts. The location is conveniently located near an island and a deep-sea trench, both of which make for excellent hunting spots. Whalefall attracts a wide and eclectic assortment of adventurers.

>Max The Great
Widely considered the greatest monster hunter to have ever lived, it's grown hard over the years to separate the truth of Max's life from the legends that have built up. What is known is that Max was the captain of The Crimson Fatalis, a light caravel that specialized in monster hunting. Max and his crew were known for a string of daring wins against powerful monsters, culminating in the founding of Whalefall. There is some confusion about Max's gender. Many assume that it was a male, but some people insist that the adventurer's full name was Maxine. Either way, Max The Great and his/her crew were last seen many years ago when they left to sail across "The Doldrums", a mysterious unexplored area of sea where there is no wind and no currents. Rumor says that Max and his crew are still exploring The Doldrums, fighting even larger and more fearsome beasts.

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>>27853956
Messed up.
>The colossal bones have cave-like little dwellings carved into them. There are enormous numbers of them, and since there is never a shortage they are freely occupied by anyone who needs to use them.

>Miscellaneous Ideas
A common sight in the Endless Blue are giant snapping turtles. These giants can have shells up to ten feet in diameter. They are predators and attack humans on sight, but luckily their extremely slow speed means that an alert Kemono should be safe. Their meat has a unique flavor and is something of an acquired taste. But their real value is their shells, which can be melted down into a translucence, flexible, plastic-y substance called tortoiseshell. This substance helps fulfill the role of plastics in modern society and allows for such novelties as record players (reverse-engineered from earless technology)