The person who wrote this shit needs to die in a fire.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SB0jsx34bWHZWbnNIVVuMjhDkrdFGo1_hSC2BWPlI3A/editFor the love of god. REALLY??
>>29409389If this ever crops up I am going to X card the DM.
>>29409389>That documentPic relatedSeriously though, really?>Triggers include>Competition>Eating in front of others>Public restrooms>Reading aloud>Uncertainty
Honestly, I don't think I've ever played in a group where if there was an issue, you couldn't speak out about it. It seems a redundancy to me if you play with decent human beings.
>>29409389Well just introduce the 'man the fuck up card'>“I’d like your help.”>“Your help to make this game fun for everyone.”>“If anything in the game makes anyone uncomfortable…”>[ write 'man the fuck up' on an index card ]>“…just lift this card up, or simply tap it.">“You don’t have to explain why.”>“It doesn't matter why.”>”When we lift or tap this card, we simply man the fuck up.">”And if there is ever an issue, anyone can call for a break and we can man the fuck up privately.">“I know it sounds funny but it will help us play amazing games together…”>“…and usually I’m the one who uses the man the fuck up card to protect myself from all of you!"
>>29409434>Cat for antsThis reminds me of that Types of Abuse chart.
I'm all for inclusiveness in RPG's, but this just seems like unnecessary bullshit.
>>29409443>Insisting on having sex whenever he wants it>Refusing to have sex with herOh.Oh okay.Oh I see.Mhmm.Right.Gotcha.
I get it, in theory. What it should be for is so the socially awkward can avoid magical realm territory when gaming with strangers.In presentation... it's just some ultra pussy coddling tumblr faggotry.
>>29409434this i can't see why you need a card if you can just say you had a trauma about something its not like we stay in the roleplay all time (and even if i know a guy who would help you even in role-play)
Some people are whiny bitches and that's annoying but ok.Some people are whiny bitching enablers and that's not ok. You don't need a fucking card with a fucking x on it to indicate that you're not ok with some shit happening at your gaming table. You especially don't need a fucking Google docs file explaining how to use those fucking cards you don't need in the first fucking place.Fuck I'm mad.
>>29409443>MurderI'm pretty sure you've gone beyond "abuse" at that stage.
>Isn't this just common sense?>If it's common sense to you, then the X-Card might not be for you. Totally cool. I don't use it all the time myself.>But generally speaking, what people often think is common sense is not. I highly recommend (reading) You Are Not So SmartFuck you, dude?
This card is amazing!You can't believe how upset I have been when I get bad rolls on the dice and nobody seemed to notice it.Now I can tap a card whenever I get into those dreadful situations!
>>29409389Must be 18 to browse 4chan, kiddo.
>>29409535>implying OP browses
>>29409389>It means no one will question you for saying no.It most certainly does not.>Maybe you aren't a persuasive or extroverted person. ...social skills privilege? I'm really trying hard here.>it still is a potent tool for getting everyone to think about each other first, and the game second.This isn't an AA meeting, fuckwit. If you're comfortable enough with one another to play a tabletop RPG you have likely already placed the game first, otherwise you would not be sitting around trading little Post-It notes of things that offend you on a weeknight.>It puts the focus on the fact that this is a social group activity. No, it distracts from the fact that this is a social group activity by preemptively discouraging group activity.>Explaining is bad because it’s extra effort, a higher barrier to accomplish your goal, and it can feel like being put on trial. Plus explanations means more time not playing.It's a little late to complain about having less time to play after recommending everyone sit around and tell each other what offends them.As to the first bit about explanation:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
>>29409389>Opponent fields three riptidesJeez, I'm sorry I'm being triggered right there
>>29409588>being this new
>"I described plane turbulence. This triggered a player and luckily I stopped asap (we had to stop the game as well) and we did what we could to help the person in question."
>>29409443>Every single circumstance is with 'her' being the victimNice to know women can't be the source and men can't be the target of any type of domestic problem.
>>29409641Oh my god, does he GM for the local mental trauma center or something?
Well this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, what if a PC is about to die, can they Xcard out of dying?Fucking tumblr-bullshit
>>29409641If your psyche is fragile enough that a trigger could have an effect on you. Then you need to kill yourself, help the human race and be rid of yourself.
>Writing a 34 page guidebook on how to not offend other people in a group of friends>Next up, duct taping the sides of your gaming table so the edges don't hurt people>Safety scissors and you>Wearing oven mitts so as not to touch your friends - avoid that awkward physical contact today!>Coaster etiquette - put a coaster under your Dew unless coasters trigger your fear of roller-coasters for sounding similar>Why the dungeon's skeletron overboss is refereed to as "xir" and not "it.">And much more!Remember kids, don't let other people be offended, ever. Get offended for them - intercept their offense and handle it for them. It's a true sign of your enlightenment to take on such burdens from the weak.
>>29409667>my father was an elf, and he was murdered!
>>29409699Allow me to invoke the "Man the fuck up card" then
>>29409721I think that if someone can't handle anything on this list they don't leave their house anyway, let alone make it to your Saturday night dungeon crawl.
I propose /tg/ create a game deliberately designed to offend people's sensibilities called "XXX-Cards" and mail it to this buttplug of a human being.
I wonder if anyone else can see the comments I just added to the Doc...
>>29409795Given the list of "possible triggers" he provides we don't even have to create a game, any RPG ever is just loaded with them.
>>29409691Fucking lost it. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
>>29409821Yes, we can see them.
>>29409842We could email him FATAL?
>>29409842I mean we ask players what they hate most of all and then go out of our way to insert as much of those topics as possible into the game.
>>29409821I take it you're "simon crowley"?
>>29409795>a game deliberately designed to offend people's sensibilitiesFATAL.
"People saying they're offended offends me."There.System broken.
>Wow, this file is really popular! Some tools might be unavailable until the crowd clears.Try againDismissThis is most distressing! I need to give Google an X-Card!
>>29409892Oh my god, I want to go to one of this guy's games and keep dropping x cards every time someone drops an x card now.
>Examples of common triggers include>ChaosGodamn right. Messing about with Chaos is Heresy people. With a capital H.
>>29409855We could. Or we could be vile and suggest he comes in touch with the guy who made FATAL as a completely established, renowned and historically accurate RPG maker and have them collaborate on something.
>>29409659Ofcourse that's the case. If it wasn't then the chart would contradict itself and everything would be abuse... oh, wait.
Man, read the guy's resume. He's really fucking full of himself.
>>29409907Is that guy even alive any more?
>>29409795Will this involve rape factories?
>>29409922I have no fucking idea. Probably.We could also get the guy who wrote Ass Goblins of Auschwitz on the line, he can totally do fluff while Byron does worldbuilding.
>I’m the one who uses the X card to protect myself from all of you!"I'M NOT LOCKED IN HERE WITH YOU, YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME
>>29409920>What are your experiences in the RPG industry?>I TABLED GAMES AT GEN CON
>>29409947
>>29409943What about the guy that wrote this?
>>29409443>Following her.>Ignoring her.Also note that apparently children are the sole property of the woman, and if they side with the father in an argument he's manipulating them against her.
>Loss of controlThere is no way I would allow this onto one of my tables. This shit gives me the same feeling when I heard about the issuing of stress cards in basic training.
Examples of common triggers include:>Commitment>Competition>Dating>Eating in front of others>Failing>Performance>Public PlacesGuess whether or not the person that wrote this is single.But, my personal favorite:>Reading aloud
>>29409968Excellent. Throw in the dudes who made that Gangrape RPG and we're set.We also need a proper theme for this shitfest, something every horrible person can rally behind.So, otherkin?
>>29409994>Also note that apparently children are the sole property of the woman, and if they side with the father in an argument he's manipulating them against her.Welcome to 15 years after my parents' divorce and how that is still brought up constantly.
>>29409691Pfffhahaha.Reminds me of the Extropics in the Transmetropolitan dump 2 days ago. They were so cute...
>>29410015If you don't want us talking about it please use an X Card.
>>29409892The three most important words when someone says "I'm offended.""Okay, so what?"
>Hi, thank you for this resource, it has been tremendously helpful! I'm a preschool teacher and often I have trouble getting the four year olds to behave and express their feelings and the X-Card has made this so much easier! I really related with your example about someone stopping a game just because someone mentioned plane turbulence; it's the exact sort of thing my kids do!I'm just wondering why you included topics like rape and murder in this guide though, given that it is clearly designed for preschoolers and special-needs kids and not for actual adults in a roleplaying game. May I suggest streamlining the instructions to reflect just the intended audience of toddlers? I'm imaging actual adults using this and am ROFLMAO here.
>>29410004>reading aloud"Once upon a time, children, there lived a wick-""TRIGGER WARNING HOW DARE YOU CIS SCUM""S-sir? This is a nursey, we always have reading tim-""I SEE YOUR MAIN CHARACTER IS MALE. HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE A PEDOPHILE?""What even - Sir! I must ask you to leave!""I'M BEING OPPRESSED, COME SEE ME BEING OPPRESSED BY THE OPPRESIVE OPRESSOR!">Nursery teacher proceeds to brick SJW with a tub of play-doh and the moral of the story is changed to "don't white knight you little shits"
>>29410025I don't have to explain myself
>>29410040> someone stopping a game just because someone mentioned plane turbulence; it's the exact sort of thing my kids do!What? 4 year olds mentioning plane turbulence is now offending someone? How the hell do they even know about that?I think my brain broke for a second.
>>29410071>I think my brain broke for a second.Imagine how we all felt reading the google doc.
>>29410067Hey guys, I think this fella's a little cross!
>>29410071i think the poster meant that the idea of a player stopping a game because the idea of plane turbulence makes them uncomfortable is the behavior of a 4 year old.
>>29410071When I was a kid, me and my brother assumed the crash position on our first ever flight to Geneva as we came in to land.Needless to say, we worried some people.
>>29410083wheyo!
If I ever went to a con and the faggot running the game used this bullshit, I'd flip the table and leave.
>>29409443>taking her money>refusing her moneythat last one is for gigolos refusing to fuck a whale because she lied on craigslist.>using her sexuality against herapparently there are lesbians that marry men for money too. >criticizing>5 topicsanother thing i will never do to a woman: tell them they need to improve something. absolute bullshit.and op's post:>I described an NPC smoking. A player was trying to quit and felt uncomfortable.... good?>We played a modern realistic horror game. Someone introduced funny elves. one that finally made sense. i swear he gm's at a mental hospital though. >There was an infamous game where a female player, as part of a Lines conversation, said up front, "I don't want non-consensual sex in this game" (it was a comedy game dealing with silly topics where no one imagined non-consensual sex would come up)... and then the same player proceeded to attempt to sexually assault a fictional character in the game! >What she meant was, "I don't want my character to experience non-consensual sex".feminists. >triggers>being alone, chaos, clowns, dating, dentists, feet, isolation, public restrooms, slime, touching, swearing, uncertainty, yellingi want someone to make a campaign with all these features.>the O cardpic related>holy shit there are youtube links>it's a 2 part series of pussing out>capcha>sides rybsaf
>What is the O-Card?>The O-Card is an X-Card with an X on one side and an O on the other!>The O-Card was invented by Kira Scott so that players who want more of specific content can tap the O instead of the X to tell the other players, "more of this!" So THAT'S why I kept hearing tapping noises during the ERP sessions. My friend was wanting more of the O.
>>29410330Why not just say "that was cool, you should do that more?"
>>29410369Because that's something that makes sense and is what normal people would do.We're following tumblr logic here.
>>29410369I love these stupid, prescribed solutions that could be avoided entirely if anyone involved had an inch of social skills.
can there be /tg/ related x cards? >triggers:>furries>bronies/their fandom>homo eroticism>coasters/lack of coasters>fem-nazis and so on
>>29410398>coasters>sounds like... >roller-coastersSTOP TRIGGERING ME SHITLORD.
>>29409443i forgot to mention my favorite oddly specific one on my last post:>keeping her locked in a cupboard or under the stairswhere were the activists for harry? i didn't see any feminists coming into his home. just a really big and bearded man.
>>29410389Heh. Sage for off topic, but incredibly that's how part of the English justice system works when making decisions. There's a list of presumptions Judges have to bear in mind which are common-sense and uncontroversial things about the law, like "Parliament is not trying to off the queen" and "Parliament is not trying to reign in people's civil rights".Just thought you might find it interesting.
Sounded like a silly but not altogether too bad thing that I'd never use but whatever.Right up until the last line."I'M USING IT TO PROTECT MEEEEE"What does this mean? It means we're all in this together.What a crock.
>>29410447>SJW - Social Justice WizardOPRESSUS CISCUMICUS!
>>29410479>"Parliament is not trying to reign in people's civil rights"Bullshit.
>>29409443"Urinating on her?""Fo real?"
>>29410518Well, I may have misconstructed that. Here's the relevant terms from a law textbook I've got to hand:>Against deprivation of liberty:>Parliament is presumed not to intend to deprive a person of his liberty; if it does, clear words must be used and will be construed so as to interfere with the subject's liberty as little as possible (e.g. R (H) v London North and East Region Mental Health Review Tribunal [2001] 3 WLR 512 (CA))>Against deprivation of property and against interference with private rights:>Parliament is presumed not to wish to interfere with a person's private rights or deprive him of his property without compensation (e.g. Glassbrook Bros v Leyson [1933] 2 KB 91 (CA); Bowles v Bank of England [1913] 1 Ch 57 (DC))
>>29410398>>29410432This isn't how the X-card works.If something is happening and you aren't comfortable with this happening, you start tapping the X-card so the other person stops doing it. It's a generic-use card to say "I don't like what you're doing, stop it". You don't flash up specific cards. I can understand what they're trying to do; it's the equivalent of trying to say "stop being THAT GUY", for people who are too wallflowery and nervous to be able to actually say "I'm not comfortable with entering your magical realm" without feeling like you're the guy shouting NOFUN STOP HAVING FUN and ending up running away from the campaign table, at cons.It's still fucking obnoxious, of course. But it does move towards a thing of "TRY TO COMMUNICATE MORE YOU MORONS".
>>29410541>Taking her money>Refusing her moneySo if she offers me money what the fuck am I supposed to do?
>>29410593> You don't flash up specific cardsI'm a bit disappointed now. I expected full-on card flashing, while yelling "YOU ACTIVATED MY TRIGGER CARD" from the top of your lungs.
another good one for the tg list
>>29410593Well, that does make sense. But there has to be a better system than one designed for children...
>>29410593no no, this is just a list of /tg/ specific triggers.
>>29410620Oh god, we need writefaggotry. This is too hilarious to let pass.
>>29409525Telling people to read a book is offending you? http://www.amazon.com/dp/1592406599/ref=cm_sw_su_dp
>>29410618explode or burn her money so there's nothing to refuse.
>>29410646Johnathan tapped the X card. The group got silent. All eyes turned to him, as he worked up an explanation. Finally, he blurted out: "Please stop talking about how the raiders pillaged that village," he said."Why's that?" asked the DM."I have a friend who was raped, so when you described the rape that happened in the town I began to feel uncomfortable."The DM smiled. Slowly, he asked Johnathan, "Do you know... who raped her?"Johnathan's eyes grew wide with horror as the whole group began to pull down their trousers."You see Johnathan, by tapping the X card," the DM said as he pulled his shirt off, "you've activated my trap card."
>>29410671>Destroying her possessionsI'm not allowed that either
>>29409443>Locking her out>Locking her inIs she a fucking cat?
>>29410646
>>29410686>>29410726Bueno...
>>29410618Incidents are not generally one off events but can be seen as forming part of a coercive pattern of behaviour, as per the top line.Doing multiple of these items on the list repeatedly in order to coerce or control the female would be seen as domestic violence; however doing some of them once in a manner not intending to coerce or control is much less likely to be considered domestic violence.For example, if you ONLY did one of these items (for example murder) it would be unlikely to be seen as domestic violence. However if you were to repeat this action with the intent of controlling or coercing her (repeated murders of this female) it would be much more likely to be seen as domestic violence.
>>29409442does your rampant sexism have an impact in your day to day life? Tell me all about it
>>29410765Uh, not the guy who made that post originally, but I need an explanation.
>>29410755Version 2.0. Probably needs better rules.
>>29410726>>29410837Could you center the X within the field better? You're triggering my OCDFaggot
Might as well contribute some nonsense.
>>29410862I could, but that'd infringe on the original artist's design, and we can't do that to someone else's work.Check your privilege.
>>29410006forcing the dickgirl fetish and adding sissy cuntboys, make women more masculine and vice versa have some kind of bullshit fluff were the men are still oppressive and the women are still powerless to do anything and have all of this a combination of nearly everything in the previously noted systems, but make it neater and much more user friendly.oh and just for shit make it as teen angsty and japanimated as possible
>>29410862Stop trying to force the X to conform to your spacing standards. You're oppressing his artistic free spirit.
>>29410804You (that poster, that is) are telling the players when they're feeling that the game has being put them in a situation where they're feeling uncomfortable to "man the fuck up".I am assuming >>29410765 feels this is sexist, as for one, the term "manning up" reinforces a gender stereotype of emotional repression amongst men (seen as both a positive and negative stereotype by a variety of different parties) as well as some people you're telling to man up are probably going to be female.That's what I'd assume, anyway.Similarly sexist is telling people to tap the "get in touch with your fucking feminine side" card when they're not showing enough of what they want.
>>29410876> blue> not artifactDo you have something against other colors?
>>29410006I prefer the fat-shaming RPG myself.
>>29410921
>>29410889
>>29409389Social Justice breeds anxiety and hypersensitivity by recontextualizing common actions as offensive, dangerous, or hurtful where they never were before.It's a bizarre form of indoctrination that turns people into emotionally unstable heaps of emotion, constantly in a state of defensive idiocy, looking for fights that aren't there for them to win.
>>29410947WHAT AM I READING
>>29410904Of course not.
>>29410982That image was most likely a troll post, but I'm not sure about this one.
>>29411004Fucking amazing.
>>29411008
>>29411033
>>29410398
>>29411008>preferred pronouns: chim, cher, chimself, cherself, che, chiIt's a troll post. A pretty amusing one if just for that.
>>29411008>>29410947>>29411033I'm so very glad I dont have to deal with these fucking people.
>>29411008>>29411045
>>29411079Chim chiminny chim chimminy chim chim cheree
>>29411045what kind of...I cant even...PLEASETHIS CANNOT BE REAL... I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE ARE STUPID BUT THIS RETARDED?
>>29410947What the fuck does triggering mean?Is it like a button you push to make people obnoxious cunts?
>>29411079>chim
>>29411168It's like if you say rape around a rape victim they'll have vietnam flashbacks about the rape.Except instead people who have no relevance to this definiiton have chosen to use it about things they're overly sensitive about.
This card actually seems like an okay idea for random play/conventions, but the list of triggers seemed kind of silly.Face it: when you're playing with strangers, you're probably going to run into a that guy at the table assuming you're not it. I've played in public a few times before and I've had to deal with 'sperglords screaming at strangers, 60 year olds making out with 20 year olds at the table, and people trying to rape/skull fuck things in the first session.I'm an extroverted person. I don't mind expressing my opinion that that shit makes me uncomfortable. I'm also not afraid to walk away from the table because I have a solid group of players I can play with in ongoing games. Not everyone has that and some people have serious social anxiety. I've known people with social anxiety that actually lessened their anxiety through RP, but they first had to be comfortable enough to RP to start the process of coming out of their shell.Even though some of those triggers seem silly, like reading aloud, that probably only applies very specifically to people with stutters or accents that got picked on when they read aloud in English class. Seems like a minor thing, but to someone who was abused in their childhood and/or has social anxiety and is afraid to speak out in defense of themselves, having something like the X card probably helps.At the end of the day, you don't have to play with these people. I wouldn't want to just like I wouldn't want to play with people who purposefully try to be edgy by talking about how their chaotic neutral character isn't an evil asshat for skullfucking characters that are magically being kept alive. That doesn't mean there aren't people that don't want to play that style.
>>29411107>>29411142Couldn't find this one as fast because my 4chan folder is disorganized to fuck.
>>29409389>>29409389> But that's not true, RPGs are a group activity, not a solo one. If the group isn't into randomly killing everything and anything, including murdering prostitutes, ala a more open version of Grand Theft Auto... it is going to be a socially dysfunctional experience. > My friend Martha, who is a psychiatrist, said, "RPGs are limited by the tolerance of the people you play with."I can't believe it's not trolling.
>>29411208So it means cuntbutton, right?I mean, they successfully subverted any original meaning to it.It's just "thing I don't like" or "excuse to rant at you".
>>29411228Also while we're being offended, lets have some wisdom.
>>29410759I had to re-read that post at least twice.
>>29411208It's sad because a lot of this stuff started off with legitimate reasons for it to be used, but has been coopted by SJW to be pretty much pointless and empty. How can you seriously think being triggered to think about the time you were made fun of for being fat is the same as someone with PTSD having a flashback to a brutal rape? I say this as someone who was picked on a lot for being fat as fuck.A lot of this thin privilege, human privilege, using the word duck next to petunia trigger warning bullshit started off as trolls on Tumblr making fun of people overusing it, but in the process has caused a lot of people to take it serious, inspiring SJW morons to try and one up the trolls in a serious manner by inventing some outlandish bullshit because they're bored white upper middle class teenagers that want to seem unique and damaged among actual victims of real bad shit.YOU MAY HAVE BEEN RAPED BUT MY DAD DOESN'T THINK THAT I SHARE MY HEADSPACE WITH MARVEL'S LOKI AND THOR AND THE 11TH DOCTOR WHO.
>>29410048You know I'm not homosexual... but for you?
>>29411045>>29411107>>29411142I think she meant the societal status gained by being thin isnt earned, rather than working out doesnt make you thin, if I understand the priviledge terminology correctly
>>29411117>>29411008Beat me to it, oh Bert that joker.
>>29411304so hang on. If you work a job and get promoted, the promotion isn't privilege, but the social status (which played some role in motivating you to work for it) is?wat.
>>29411304That is what she meant. It's also the point of contention, as people who have worked to get an attractive or fit body want to reap the social benefits of fitness, and don't want to be ... what, fit-shamed?
"Trigger Word" triggers me.
>>29411304well I was a tub of lard back in 7th grade, constantly being picked on and that shit and then I started working out I got skinnier (I'm still kind of over weight by like 5 pounds but thats not that bad), I got stronger and then I didn't get picked on anymore (mainly because I could kick the snot out of the bullies when I started playing rugby) but no according to her I didn't earn the privilege of not getting my shit kicked in when I went home I was given it. its fuckhead sjw's like this that make me want to set up the largest SJW convention and then just walk in with a flame thrower and just burn them all to hell
>>29411400I'm triggered by Trigger and triggers.
>>29411396>fit-shamedI don't hate fat people for being fat. I hate them for being vicious, bitter people towards anybody who isn't.
>>29411418sorry for off topic just got mad but I can sort of see the reason for this but if someone is going to be so easily set off then they may as well just not play or the DM should do what I do (when I game online and not with friends (well if there introducing new friends then I do it)) and write up a list of things they might encounter, and even then if someone is triggered by rape then its fine right because generally if the group isn't a bunch of that guys they'll tell the rapist (or like the player whose attempting rape) to back the fuck down and shut up
>>29411396>>29411304that mindsetsuch jellywowno motivation very lazywowwhat audacity> just because you worked hard to be like an iconic figure doesn't mean anyone should treat you like one because I'm not going tofuck that sow, fuck all those lazy disrespectful hateful piggu disgusting fatties
Is no one realizing that he said--in the comments--that this is not meant for use with adult roleplayers and that he said the idea of adult roleplayers using it makes him laugh? This is for little kiddies (<10) and special need folks. No need to get all owrk up about this, /tg/
>>29411449>TRIGGER!
>>29410479Wait, I'm confused.So they're not trying to off the queen?
I can't find any of the old screencaps I had, but this blog is like gazing into the abyss. http://x-trung.tumblr.com/post/35038955544/trigger-warnings-fat-shaming-transfatphobiahttp://x-trung.tumblr.com/post/36235848406/jenn-here-ugh-my-mom-just-walked-in-on-me-duringhttp://x-trung.tumblr.com/post/36269177092/jenn-here-it-has-come-to-my-attention-that-the#notes-container
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>>29411572There really is something wrong with otherkin and people that honestly believe and/or act like that.
>>29411572This...this is an elaborate joke, right? Right? Please let it be a joke, please.Can we start calling anorexia transfat self-hate?
>>29411290It's kind of fascinating how many things start as ironic of facetious joking around, only to be hijacked by a group of people who legitimately believe the jokes as truth and think they've found a group that accepts them.
>>29411714It's too serious to be a joke, modern society has let those who shouldn't have survived survive.
>>29411648We call it insanity. That's what it is. They are deluded morons who in things that clearly aren't real, to be logically explained or in any way beneficial.And not only intellectually as many people believe in deities but on a deep emotional level. Because they must believe in their madness to understand their reality.You will notice these people never are of high intelligence usually uneducated, neglected, unloved and receive no recognition nor can they hope for any. So their mind cooks up a solution to all their problems.What if I wasn't this sad existence in the first place?What if I was something exciting and important?
>>29411572God damn nothing makes me more incensed than these "about" sidebars. I mean, fucking A, dem contradictions.>vegan>gainerLeaving aside for the moment how stupid it is to want to get fatter, she wants to get fat but won't eat meat, veggies, or cheese? Good fucking luck.>pansexual>aromantic>asensualSo if I'm parsing the roots right here, she is sexually attracted to anything that moves...but she has no romantic ambitions and gets nothing out of sex? What?Also, what the fuck is this kyriarchy she wants to dismantle but doesn't consider important enough to capitalize?
>>29411797Just for you, anon.http://x-trung.tumblr.com/post/36463486309/jenn-here-random-thought-would-it-be-possible-to#notes-container
>>29410804>>29410900Nailed it (far better than I could have, might I add).Thanks, Anon.
>>29411848I...But...Nuh...I gotta go. I gotta go to the bookstore and load up on Shakespeare or something. This shit is sucking my brain cells out through my eyes.
>>29410900You know, sexism wouldn't even be a thing if it weren't for feminists.... and women....
>>29411751Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe they're in good company.>>29411922>Shakespeare>intelligentNot really dull, but hardly intellectual. Remember, he wrote for the mob of London.You want Pynchon. Have fun googling for half an hour to decipher what amounts to an elaborate 'yo momma!'.
>>29411990Baby steps, anon. Besides, parsing ye olde dick jokes will be a welcome refuge after this PC shitfest.
>>29411751This is how bronies happened, Anon.It's terrible.
>>29411797I think that might be a fake tumblr. Also, kyriarchy is apparently everything that oppresses as opposed to just the patriarchy. So, it encompasses sexism, racism, homophobia, economic inequality, and I'm sure more.
>>29411506no, that was me being sarcastic as fuck and calling anyone who uses his rules the equivalent of a developmentally challenged four year old
>>29411922>tumblerYou deserve it>>29411990>PynchonYou. I like you.
>>29412243so she's opposed to...bad things? Wow, that's a helpful definition. Almost as bad as pantheists who believe in a god that encompass the entire natural world and therefore is meaningless
>>29411509my nigga.>>29411572>Tortoisekin>Otherkin>thinking that is a thing-kinwhat in the everloving fuck.
>>29412243So her stated goal (after becoming a fat tortoise apparently) is to dismantle the great stand-alone complex of people being not particularly nice to each other?Good fucking luck.
>>29410243'you're alone in a public restroom, isolated even, the door is locked and slime is oozing out of the sinks and toilets, suddenly the door flies open and a clown bursts in, 'ready for our fucking date, bitch?' he yells, you aren't certain but you're fairly sure his entire body is made of feet, roll for initiative'
At least the comments are worth reading.
>>29412287Well, like I said, I think that's a fake tumblr. I think the kyriarchy thing is meant to specifically target institutions that actively disenfranchise groups, so, it's not just all bad things, but all oppressive things, I'm guessing.
>>29412226I was sort of alluding to them, but didn't want to make this thread any more terrible by inviting that topic into the discussion
>>29411506as if kids need trigger warnings, kids are into some pretty brutal shit since they don't yet understand the consequences of deadly violence
>>29411506And where did he say that? Because I've read nothing like that.
>>29412469my only real complaints with this whole X-Card thing is that theres probably going to be one chucklefuck that abuses it just because they don't like how the game is going.also I shouldn't have to alter my games to fit the unrealistic expectations of a neurotic bitchtits asshole.
>>29412469Right? I remember when I was a kid, I used to imagine that little spikes would come out of the pips on dominos on command. Used to use them to set traps for my lego figures, or stage public action figure executions.Though in hindsight I may have just been a touch crazy.
>>29412515So you're okay with the whole self-censoring and doublethink?Or the death of sane, free communication?You know, as in communicating fears and finding solutions like rational adults should be capable of doing.Just accepting the exstence of things you dislike in fiction should also be an option for everyone within a socially agreed-upon framework of common decency.You know, not being a cunt is kind of the first rule in social games.
>>29412739I'm all for a fair discussion about the way the game is going, thats the adult thing to do. instead of using these cards, the best thing to do is to talk to the DM in private and say "hey, x is my trigger, any way we can work around this?"and discussing how we would work around it with the other players in a civilized manner. I'm more open to that instead of STOP DOING THIS IT TRIGGERS ME YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT EVEN IF I DIDN'T MAKE IT WIDELY KNOWN GOD YOU'RE SUCH AN ASSHOLE.
>>29409795I was going to say we make a completely straight faced game about not offending anyone.
>>29412881And let them see how boring, stifling, and counter to any notion of progress or understanding it is?I like it.
>>29410715otherkin, probably
>>29412791The problem here will be that any tool will be abused, just as any term is used incorrectly.Like 'trigger'. Another of those words tumblr et. al. misused into meaninglessness, diminishing the recognition of decent people with actual problems by association.What are you doing when implementing the x-card?You give everyone an unconditional veto right on anything and take away the human ability to communicate, compromise and nuance your objections.This leads to a kind of psychological pressure. Whether the card is used or not. Self-censorship to avoid what you expect might make someone veto what you want to do will ensue.So it does make the game safe. By severely limiting creativity and introducing an effective punishment system that easily leads to revanchism as you don't even need to justify yourself, anyway. And when somebody starts to feel treated unfairly, you get vetoes left and right out of spite.You are now playing RPGs with intellectual nukes. Welcome to the safe gaming table of "I-find-this-offensive realism". Welcome to the Cold War.
>I described an NPC smoking. One player was trying to quit and felt uncomfortable. Oh cry fucking harder you weak-willed piece of dogshit. If I was this frail faggot's DM I'd then have a bunch of orcs burst in and put their cigars out on the PC's.Ugh. Fuck these softass players. I'd rather play with the Thattest of That Guys than such a sissified shit.
>>29409443>Making her lick the dinner plates cleanThat's uhh...oddly specific.Who wrote this?
>>29413186It sounds like an open list written by several people and lazily thrown into a picture.Probably they asked a few dozen and took every answer for whatever reason.
>>29412791Here's the problem with triggers.. If you've got one, like a legitimate one, it's something you're fully aware of because when it really hits you, it's a thing that can bring your entirely life to a screeching halt until you get your shit in order again.We're talking Vietnam vets who have panic attacks in the middle of the night and stab their wives to death. Traumatic flashbacks that absolutely paralyze someone with fear and anxiety. Not people who get a little huffy when you say something that they don't like to hear, like jokes about their weight or looks.
>>29412954well monopoly started as a game to teach the evils of capitalism. and we yankie doodled that shit.
>>29413321Oh god. It would be played exclusively by smug SJWs who fawn over each others' political correctness. It would be a training camp for SJWs and their special forces in the No Fun Brigade.
>>29413304>old vietnam vet playing some D&D>DM: You come to a town of mongloid humans, a tropical village called Veetnaym.>Vet: FUCKING CHARLIES. OH MY GOD. I CHARGE AND CLEAVE ALL IN SIGHT>Vet: WATCH OUT LADS, THERE'S CHARLIES IN THE TREES.>Vet: ITS NOT MY WAR, MAN.This is an instance where an X card would be very useful.
>>29409443>Driving the car at herPffffft that fucking wording.
>>29413366It takes a little bit more than a mention of a place vaguely similar to a thing, even for 'nam vets, who saw some serious shit.It would be more like the players are dragged into a war in a land that they don't agree with, forced to fight against innocent people turned guerilla fighters. The DM describes in absolutely gut-wrenching detail the atrocities happening around them.. Children with explosive runes all over their bodies, running up to them. Rot and infection tearing away at their bodies. The terrified screams of peasant farmers running for their lives as invading mages torch their villages.Vet Player would probably start to shake and stand up from the table without a word and leave the room. Then someone else would say, "What the fuck, man? You know Dave was in the vietnam war!"
>>29413304>>29412791>>29412739>>29412515>>29412469>seriously discussing fucking trigger warningsYou people. You fucking people.
>>29413366>Vietnam VetWhy are you playing D&D with a guy who is at least in his late fifties and still can't hold his shit together from PTSD? Someone who is still having screaming PTSD attacks that long after should probably be on meds.
>>29413411Only to explain the difference between stupid tumblrshit brats screaming 'TRIGGER WARNING TRIGGER WARNING' and people who have legit issues that make certain topics hard for them to discuss.
>>29413366But then it's too late.And people with problems like that would mention beforehand, anyway.People having psychotic episodes would probably feel the need to inform people about where to find the tranquilizer or what other measures to meet.This is an extremely unlikely scenario, anyway. Such severe cases are pretty rare and it's unlikely to chance upon them unknowingly. People with problems like that are on meds, will avoid possible triggers and at the very least inform you beforehand if things might get out of hand.And at that point the card is useless.Which leaves petty dislikes.>>29413411Yes. It is not enough to say someone is wrong. Everyone must understand why they are wrong.
>>29413421>D&D 3.5>DM'ing for this guy I met at the military surplus store>Has a beard and a POW rememberance cap>We're eating fried chicken>He's rolled up a barbarian>First session>Local lord drafts him into the army, shaves his character's head and beard, breaks his spirit with discipline (Low Wis and Cha scores so it's easy)>Turn him and the other conscripts in a very far away forest>They hop off the gryphon, mull about>His best friend takes a crossbow bolt to the head>Goblins pour out of the forest>Pepper his group with dice>Player's shaking>"I rage">Rolls 20's on 3 attacks, goblin blood everywhere>PC rampages through the forest>His buddies trigger explosive traps>He smashes the DM board>Dice everywhere>Rampages out of the room>What a fucking That Guy
>>29413411But triggers are an actual, legit thing, which tumblr decided to bastardize and say that somebody telling them their opinion is on par with PTSD.
>>29412401I love you.
>>29410625>Well, that does make sense. But there has to be a better system than one designed for children...Roleplaying is for people of all ages. Why not use a system that is just as child-friendly as it is adult-friendly?I mean yes, in most groups this X Card shit is largely worthless. I know the shit my group does and does not like, and I don't need a card to tell me. But I run games at the local game shop, for people ages 15 to 30. I can see this sort of thing being useful for complete strangers to let it be known that what's going on right now is making them very uncomfortable.Bitch all you want, folks, but I say this might be a useful concept in all the situations it was designed to be used for.
>>29410862>You're triggering my OCDAnd you triggered my trap card....
>I described an NPC smoking. A player was trying to quit and felt uncomfortable.He could have said "man I'm trying to quit, don't remind me of smoking please".>We played a modern realistic horror game. Someone introduced funny elves.You could have said "fuck you" and kick him out if he keeps his lolrandom shit in the game.>I described plane turbulence. This triggered a playerBest high tensions cene ever.>luckily I stopped asap (we had to stop the game as well) and we did what we could to help the person in question.That kills the whole purpose of having a high tension scene.
>>29413421PTSD is pretty hard to get over, and the first step is REALLY just admitting you have it. A lot of guys think they're strong enough to get through it, without realizing their fucking brainmeat is broke. A ton of oldschool military men NEVER seek help for this sort of shit, and so it never gets fixed. Its common.
>>29413182yeah you sound like a real hardcore badassonly the most stone cold badasses need apply to pretend to be elves and hobbits in this guy's gamewhats with all this macho rhetoric around the fucking nerdiest shit imaginable
Add that to the list of "ways to troll /tg/".
>>29414078To be fair, there's being macho, and then there's being emotionally stable. Sure, its probably a bit of a dick move to mention smokes when you know someone's trying to quit, but unless they've got a real problem outside of just smoking, it shouldnt bother them that much. Ive never really understood the whole "trigger" thing in general, I think a lot of it is just people having guilt for not being strong enough circumstantially and so whenever a topic comes up that reminds them of that they try vehemently to change the subject. This is coming from someone who had PTSD.
>>29413874Well, he obviously plays a social, potentially ultraviolent adventure game in a patriarchic society far removed from our own with hypersensitive rape victims and the socially impaired.Gotta be careful.He also likes to do his nitrogrlycerin deliveries on a flat-tired unicycle.
>>29414090just start dropping these like rain in an ERP thread.
>>29409795There's a homebrew on suptg called "Opression Quest".
>>29409795F.A.T.A.L.Id post it, but the character creation guide alone is 993 pages.
>>29414078No. Freaking out over an NPC smoking for such a reason makes you nothing more than immature, selfish bitch. You don't need to be a 'hardcore badass' to not bat an eye over something like that. It's just pathetic
>>29410686>having him explain himselfAgainst the rules of the X-card.
>>29411045http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXO6qZnf40NVIaiX9y4sgCvYS24H4O92vThe deleted video (somehow violating Terms of Service) was about the phrase "cis scum"
>>29414430Uh, I don't think he "freaked out," I think he was a little uncomfortable, and the guy who wrote that freaked out because HE was a self-hating immature bitch. I mean at least pin the bitch tag on the correct person.
>>29414526And that triggered someone into deleting it?AHAHAHA!
>Some play RPGs because, "RPGs are like video games except you can do anything limited by your imagination."Holy fuck, this is exactly me
>>29414592I think thats why everyone does it...
>>29414721Not really. Some of us like to tell stories. There are plenty of reasons for people to roleplay, and vicarious fantasy fulfillment is only part of it.
>>29409968>for all ... those who love classic literature
>>29409389For the record, this is why /pol/ is here.
>>29414721>I think thats why everyone does it...nope or everyone would be playing simulationist rpgs
>>29409665I think the only time this would be useful would be using /tg/ during therapy sessions to expose people to fears and so forth without putting them in danger or close to their fears. And the only reason would be doctor patient confidentiality I mean you can't /tg/ with 2 people and have it be the same as a group.
>>29409659If you had to squeeze a baby's fat head (and the rest of it) out of your cooch, you'd think "Yes, this is mine. This belongs to me."
>>29414807>and vicarious fantasy fulfillment is only part of it.I (the one that said the text describes me), was saying I play rpg because its king of a game, but without graphics limitation, coding limitation (guy have to code something to you be able to do it) or computer specs limitation (in a rpg you can have a 4000000 guys battle, or a entire world)
>>29415053Meant to quote >>29409994
>>29415053>>29415079Key word is "sole property", as in the father is considered to have no say, even though its also their child.
>>29412515I really think this is meant for play with randoms, not play at home with friends. It seems like something for convention/store play.Also, it's completely optional. You don't have to use it and you don't have to play with people who do. It's not like Wizards or Paizo or anyone else is going to make this a core part of their game; even if they did, house rule it out.
>>29409691I lost it at "Safety Scissors and You"
>playing rpg togetheranyway a dm once did thiseach player was on a separated room.chars where created separatedlysystem was gurps, each player selected his setting separatedly and made his char, if players didnt selected the same setting, we played infinite worlds.on each turn he gone to a room and played the turn with a player.
>>29409691>Next up, duct taping the sides of your gaming table so the edges don't hurt peopleMy first reaction to this was "what, is the table to edgy for you?"I don't know how I feel about that.
>>29415055The person I quoted said "I think that's why everyone does it", not "I think that's why I do it".
>>29415259That might actually be the most autistic.
>>29410048I'm sure you know this (or at least I hope you do), but "reading aloud" doesn't mean they're triggered by anyone reading out loud, they're triggered by being the one to read out loud.
i'm triggered by permanent character death
>>29410387That would interrupt shit. I don't think a card is ideal either, though. You could maybe have a gesture you make or something. I ran an attribute-based game where I had different signs to indicate what people should roll, so I keep describing shit while people made their rolls. It worked pretty well, but only because of the limited number of stats characters had to roll against.
>>29415532Or you could just look at people's faces and see how they react to what's going on.
>>29409389Honestly, this at least does me a favour.If someone suggests implementing this, I *know* I'm never going to be comfortable with this group.It's like a giant warning sign to ABANDON GROUP, EJECT EJECT.We should not complain about the existence of things that, despite their intended (I'd even call it silly) purpose make our lives better.If only there was a way to make a new player out themselves as a that guy so quickly if they are one, other than carrying a hardback copy of FATAL under their arm.
>I described plane turbulence. This triggered a player and luckily I stopped asap (we had to stop the game as well) and we did what we could to help the person in question.>...we did what we could to help the person in question.Like slap them and remind them they aren't really on a plane and this is just a game of fucking pretend? Don't get me wrong, I want to be supportive of people's phobias, but this isn't normal. If a person freaks out that hard just hearing about plane turbulence, that's a genuine psychological problem and it should've been discussed before the game.
>>29415603That's what I normally do, but you can't always read everybody all the time, and I think there's merit in the idea. I've played in games before where we did something kind of related: we had signals for "stretch this out" or "hurry this up". Seemed to work.
>>29415687> I want to be supportive of people's phobiasStatistically, the most effective means of helping people get over phobias is immersion therapy, not hugging them and telling them it's going to be ok.Emetophobic? Here's some ipecac, have fun. Scared of heights? Two tickets to the Sears Tower, stat!You help no one by validating their delusions of constant and ever-near death/destruction/discomfort, what have you.
>>29415732Are you and your players legitimately autistic? Can you somehow not say "this is kind of dragging on" or "I want to do more in this area"?
Okay peeps, I'm someone who works with victims of abuse, trauma, and PTSD. I'm going to give my honest opinion of this.>“…just lift this card up, or simply tap it.">“You don’t have to explain why.”>“It doesn't matter why.”>”When we lift or tap this card, we simply edit out anything X-Carded.">”And if there is ever an issue, anyone can call for a break and we can talk privately."This part here is mature and civil. It lets someone make their voice be heard without making an ass of themselves. When you're with strangers, you don't know what makes them uncomfortable. Me for instance, I'm very uncomfortable about domestic violence because of my dad. It brings up bad memories and I'd rather not deal with it in a game.>ExamplesThese are actually very bad examples. Except for the third one, since it actually set off someone's trigger. The second one however is more like a "Okay that's retarded. Stop."It's a good idea and is actually presented in a neutral way. This is nowhere near the faggotry of SJWs get up to and honestly, you wouldn't throw rubber spiders at someone who has arachnophobia unless you were a fucking dick.That said, if your triggers are that bad, you need to visit a shrink and get as much treatment as you can.
I am a transflat, age-impaired, panbreadophiliac. If you are thinking about what this means, you are ciscum that needs to check your privilege.#rebel #xcarded #nochestisbestchest #yesipoopfromtherenoyoucannot
>>29415742As somebody who is iffy about heights, let me assure you that "jumping into the deep end" is not the best way to address these things. I can buy that completely avoiding them might be bad (and tend to cement the problem), and I feel like testing the boundaries in measured ways has greatly reduced my fear of heights over the years, but if I had been forced into a really scary situation, I think it would've just traumatized me and been counterproductive.
>>29412226Except that's not how things started.We genuinely enjoyed the show. We were confused and terrified by the enjoyment, but it was always genuine enjoyment. It's just that while it's possible to enjoy it and still live a perfectly normal life, it also happens to attract some of the worst people imaginable. This is a concept /tg/, and by extension every other board on 4chan will be *intimately* familiar with. You're the one who brought it up.
>>29415900>if I had been forced>I think it would haveSo in other words, you don't know if it would have been counter-productive.
>>29409443Saved. Pity its not in a flowchart format. Would make for some amusing villain behaviour.
>>29415785>Can you somehow not say "this is kind of dragging on" or "I want to do more in this area"?You know how texting is sometimes better than calling somebody because you don't have to go through the whole polite "how are?" bit? It's kind of the same thing here. And if the GM is in the middle of describing something, it breaks his rhythm and takes up time. And if one person disagrees with the perso who said "this is kind of dragging on", then you're off on a meta discussion. But then your perspective may be different from mine due to pacing. I like my games to move quickly and without a lot of table talk. If your games have a more casual atmosphere and proceed more slowly, then interrupting and taking up a little bit of time really won't be an issue.
>>29410618I think it means taking money against her will and not giving her money she needs. Refusing someone something can also mean not giving it.
>>29409525I have that, it's actually a good read. It's mostly about fallacies and so on. It's a must-read for people who think they're badass by saying "Well I have more posts than you and you need to calm your fedora" in a debate.
>>29409691Fuck you, table edges are sharp.
>>29415742>Statistically, the most effective means of helping people get over phobias is immersion therapy, not hugging them and telling them it's going to be ok.Are you a health care specialist that also happens to run roleplaying games?No? Then shut the fuck up and leave to professionals what should be done by professionals. Unless you are versed in handling immersion therapy, it's not your place to do it.
>>29416020So basically you want a way to tell the GM "hurry up, I'm bored"? I'm sorry, this is real life, you don't get to skip cutscenes.And what if the majority likes the current pace? Everyone just has to cater to you? No discussion? No debate? Sounds like a child to me.>>29416094I assume, then, you're a professional in coddling adults and treating them like children.
>>29411033Here's the funny thing, there are differences between male and female brains, which is what causes transgenderness in the first place. When she says that she's transethnic, she's saying that blacks have different brains from white people. Thus, she is a racist.Fucking triggered me.
>>29415986>So in other words, you don't know if it would have been counter-productive.While I'm sure that you know much more about any psychological issues I may have than I do (what with having read multiple sentences that I've typed and all), I can attest that going up in a ferris wheel seemed, if anything, to be a step backwards. I mean, I wasn't forced--I made up my own mind--but that shit scared the fuck out of me.
>>29409389I'm actually Ok with this. I've been in situations where I've invited a girl to a gaming group, but there's some fat prick who's constantly perving it up. I prefer my games fantasy minus the "hurr durr I rape the dead body because I'm chaotic evil."
>>29416142Sounds like you overcame it to me. Being brave isn't about not being afraid - it's about being afraid and saying "I'm doing this anyway".Good on you for taking that step.
>>29416125>I assume, then, you're a professional in coddling adults and treating them like children.Considering that one of the better players in our area is 11 years old and plays one of the most gruesome games of Apocalypse world I've ever seen, I'd say yes I do treat my players as children. But there's a difference between "coddling" and respecting the limits of other people.For instance, when I'm fucking your mom's face, I at least have the candor to keep the door closed and not send you copies of our films.
>>29409443>MurderAt that point its not abuse. ITS FUCKING MURDER>Prostitution her against her willSo wait... Does this mean this pic supports consensual pimping?>Having children taken away from herYea, ok. I could see it being abusive if it was solely done to torment the mother, if she was capable of raising them. But what if she isn't? They should have specified that.>Not taking her moneyThat... I guess they are thinking as "Make her feel like she is unworthy by not taking her money" or "Be a sexist and not sell to her" but seriously... That one is a bit retarded.>CriticismI would be angry about this, but the disclaimer at the top basically spells it out. It's only abuse if it is done repeated to hurt them or their self-confidence, etc.I think in the end, its not that unreasonable if you take into consideration the disclaimer at the top. >>29414250Good idea!
>>29409443>insisting on having sex whenever he wants it.>refusing to have sex with her.Oh, Tumblr.
The writer of this document has earned my everlasting disgust. I coul picture exactly the voice in which he was thinking those words.I never tought I'll be glad to see someone step on one of these, but I guess I've changed with time
>>29416090You my friend need to get a Man Up card.Get yourself a router and some protective eyewear. Wear some old clothes because its going to be happy hour for mother fucking sawdust.You show that furniture who is the owner and what is just the fucking object, and put a round uniform fillet around the edges.You do NOT bitch and whine about something YOU can fix. Because then you're letting that table OWN YOU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ApmloHx6YIf you have opposible thumbs and electricity you have no excuses.And everytime you sit down at that table, run your finger over the edge and say to yourself: "If more people got shit done like I do, there'd be a lot more motherfucking space travel and a lot less bitching between motherfucking politician. Shheeeet."Then get shit done. Don't ever show weakeness in front of a table. Ever
>>29416265I've had a nymphomaniac girlfriend and I had to deny her sex countless times, cause she was crazy about it. Glad I got that over with.
>>29416125>I'm sorry, this is real life, you don't get to skip cutscenes.I would debate the validity of that sentence.>Everyone just has to cater to you?Well, considering that I was the GM, I'm not sure this really applies. But if I were playing and enjoying the scene and somebody else motioned to speed it up, my first reaction would be to be deferential (and maybe discuss my difference in perspective during a break). If I really felt strongly about it, that would be the point at which I might say something. Also, I don't think that indicating to the GM your level of interest in the proceedings is somehow being childish. As a GM, I like knowing what my players are looking for.
He does make a good point in one of his comments:>Again though, the real point is this: If you don't want to use X-cards then don't. That's it. Your problem is solved. If other people find it helpful, what do you care? Is it really so important to you to tell other people how to play and how to run their own table?Personally though, I do think it is silly.
>>29416333You don't get to skip loading screens either.>sitting in the DMV
So what is this? Another one of those "stop trigger me!" things that aims to turn the entirety of reality into a massive hugbox?Yeah, fuck off. I have issues in my past that can make situations unexpectedly uncomfortable for me too. I suck it up and don't make everything uncomfortable for everyone else.
>>29416438That's exactly what this is
>>29416389>I have issues in my past that can make situations unexpectedly uncomfortable for me too. I suck it up and don't make everything uncomfortable for everyone else.Yeah, you just brag about it like a petulant bitch looking for attention.
>>29414069Not to mention that a lot of them couldn't afford the proper care for it because the government treats vets like shit.
>>29416472whoops, wrong link.
>>29416211Yeah, but I was more iffy about heights afterwards. I really think that smaller, calculated steps beats "going all in". And if somebody doesn't reasonably respect my boundaries, then that's a problem. That doesn't mean never mentioning tall things, or even never making jokes at my expense, but I nearly got in a fist fight with somebody because they were physically fucking around with me on a foot bridge (my knuckles white on the railing) after I told them to fucking stop (naturally the almost-fight had to wait until I was safely on solid ground again).
>>29416265Yeah, it's not like the pic says at the top that abuse is a pattern of controlling behavior and that individual instances of something on the list are not necessarily abuse, but that the list are tactics that can be used in a controlling way for abuse. Or something like that.
>>29416389I was more disputing that "this is real life" really applies to RPGs.
>>29416600I sort of meant that, in a "the GM worked hard on writing this, if it's not something offensive or magical-realm territory, why not let him go through it?" way.
>>29416586>Here's associations related to abuse we came up with per poll
>>29416132>which is what causes transgenderness in the first placeI agree with you buddy, but now you're just going to start a whole bunch of "implying transgender is real" posts
>>29414250Nah, drop them in quest threads when people start going chaotic stupid or trying to rape little girls or whatever. Give them a legit use.
>>29416671Well, she probably does have the brain structure of someone regularly called nigger by their peers.
>>29409389I fucking love it.>Online play.>X card anyone with an order of the stick avatar.>X card anyone that uses the word "ban".>X card anyone that invokes property as an excuse for abuse.Tumblr, you are my greatest ally.
It's important to strike a balance. You don't want to coddle someone so that they never get over their issues, but at the same time, a picked scab never heals, and will probably end up leaving a worse scar.You don't want to make that rape victim curl up in a ball and cry. You want them to get help and get over it, so they can start contributing rape jokes of their own.
>>29416248>So wait... Does this mean this pic supports consensual pimping?Feminists tend to be in two camps on sex work. Sex negative feminists tend to be pretty adamant against it in any form, while sex positive feminists tend to support it so long as it isn't the result of coercion.Also, I like to think that image has some degree of "use common sense" approach to it. If she's an abusive psycho herself, taking her kids probably isn't abusive, as it's being done to prevent their abuse.
>>29416649I agree that a certain amount of deference on all sides is a good thing. And I started out GMing and was the only real GM for half a dozen years, so believe me when I say that I'm mindful of all the hard work a GM puts into making and running an adventure. But again, this is something I did when I was GMing, so it's not really an issue. I'm not sure I would do it with just any group of people though.
>>29416771Bullshit, I picked scabs every time as a kid and you don't see me as a rotting sack of flesh filled with holes.
>>29416814Your little boo boos aren't the same as PTSD.
>>29416835We're not talking about WWII, we're talking about scabs. Stop triggering me.
>>29416835I think he was talking about the 'a picked scab never heals' thing.
> when we know others have access to our secrets, we can feel compelled to sacrifice our individuality for fear that we will be judged, criticized, or even punished for our unique qualitiesMy god. That's it, ordering a tank of helium and a mask immediately. I want nothing to do with this species any longer.
>>29417051>speciesBut they're not human, anon. They're Indigo children
>>29409691This wasn't written for close friends. This seems to have been written for pick up groups where you aren't very familiar with the people you are playing with. From the thrid page: "It was originally developed to make gaming with strangers fun, inclusive, and safe."Seems like a safe word for PnP, which to be honest would have saved a lot of that-guy greentext stories a lot of headaches.
I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our fantastic fun, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of our Emperor’s Government-every man of them. That is the will of gamegroup and the fandom.The board and the video games, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.Even though large segments of gaming and many old and famous haunts have fallen or may fall into the grip of the PC crowd and all the odious apparatus of the liberal and brotier crowds, we shall not flag or fail.We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in our houses, we shall fight on the forums and imageboards, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the web, we shall defend our hobbies, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight in the debates, we shall fight in the protests, we shall fight in the schools and in the game shops, we shall fight in the fan sites; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, these games or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the imaginaton, armed and guarded by the Neckbeard Legion, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
>friend invites me over to play a brand new TCG>it's Cardfight Vanguard>the words card and fight immediately trigger me, sending me into a post traumatic stupor>zhe tells me to sit down as we read the rules>I'm blown back by the misogynist binary gender labeling they use in the instructions>reach for my X-card, this is getting too oppressive>it's not there>MY X-CARD ISN'T THERE>begin to heave heavily>my friend calms me down and insists we sit and play>turns pass, I'm borderline bursting into tears>suddenly, zhe attacks me >with all my might, I manage to preform my damage check>I reveal a Trigger card, triggering my fear of triggersI'm typing this from the hospital right now.
>>29409443I've saved this for such a time.
>>29409443>Telling her children things she doesn't want them to knowwot.
>>29417432>Your mother's bum does look big in that dress>She is a really sloppy kisser>I'm a much better cook than her>She's actually 35 not 34>She found a grey hair the other day and cried for a week>Her parents aren't her real parents.>She loves you more than life itself.>She is terrifyingly good at football.
>>29417259Having to explain the function of the X-card to random strangers seems to me to be the most awkward thing you could do when first meeting someone. "Hi, my name is Anon, how can I not offend you today?"It's degrading to assume that someone wouldn't be able to tell a group to stop something that bothers them, and instead must be given a "stop" button that they can push without being questioned. I can get the inclusiveness and safety, but how strange would it be if someone assumed that everyone around them may have some "trigger" (and I shudder to use the term) like a land mine that must be avoided at all costs, because everyone might not be able to handle said "trigger?" And that you have to move to intercept any offense that could come their way for them?That's coddling someone worse than you would a child.
>>29417528>you're her favorite
>>29417548What's that phrase parents use with their children?>Use your words
>>29417528HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED
>>29410900Hold the fuck up there hombre.You are incorrectly assuming "man the fuck up" is a sexism term, refering to emotional stifling.You incorrectly assume the idea that Men are always bottling their emotions and if they didn't they'd spew it all out. Like a Woman.This is grossly incorrect.A man can feel sadness, this is expressed through crying, though not blubbering and leaking everywhere like a woman, it is instead a strong and stoic weeping, where true sorrow boils forth.A man can feel weak, this is expressed though humility and the reaction to rectify this weakness.A man can feel weirded out, afraid and all emotions that women can feel.The difference is, a man can HANDLE his emotions and allows them to gently flow through his being like a river, not burst out like a floodgate.In short, Man the fuck up
>>29409443>It's only abuse if it forms a pattern of behavior>Murder
>>29416061It didn't really stop the "designer" of the X-card from having a useless argument and using a fallacy did it?
>>29417701As a man married to the undead, I can attest you murdering them multiple times does, in fact, have negative effects in the relationship.
HAHAHAHAHAHAA
I guess this means Tumblr never plays Black Crusade
>>29417828I'm surprised the guy making this up even has any real designer cred to go through, because that list is essentially the setting of about half of all board, dice, and vidya games.
>>29417850>Reading aloud.Who the fuck does this trigger besides old librarians?
>>29417850All of these, Literally all of these, are covered by my last session of Dark heresy.
>>29417870>old librariansWoah woah woah, non-sexy occupations are my trigger
>>29417828>Eating in front of othersOh you have got to be fucking kidding me.
>>29409389I read the document expecting it to be some unreasonable wimpy piece of shit, but checking it out in full it makes a lot of sense.Often RPGs are played with strangers, and there's almost certainly content that makes someone feel uncomfortable, and not just "Oh I'm a wimp uncomfortable" as much as "I need to vomit right now or curl up in the fetal position or facepalm my skin off and this game is going to devolve into drama" uncomfortable. You're not obligated to play with people who have easily offended sensibilities, and this isn't who it's really for anyways, because those people aren't the people you game with. For example, if you call me a tranny faggot I'm going to laugh, not call you out about some privilege bullshit (which I don't believe in anyways). If you talk about maggot-infested wounds, even botfly parasites, I might cringe, but I wouldn't tap some X card. But if you talk about loved ones getting killed in disturbing and excessive detail, I might want out. Hell, you might want out. And the X card provides a way for you to do that without overly disrupting your game.
>>29417870... People who were screamed at for being such giant pussies?I'm all for inclusiveness and have, at times, ask people to stop doing x to prevent new players from running to the hills, but this is ridiculous.>>29417890Oh, I can believe that, anon. I can fully believe that. What's worse is that I'm not sure what exactly is a person who is triggered by any of them doing playing a game of this kind, particularly when the advertisement, as little as there might be, actively mentions quite a few of those and implies a whole lot other.What the fuck are you doing playing them.>>29417922Wait, is my library the only one occupied by only sexy mifls?>>29417940Hey, I would claim cheetohs trigger me if would stop those fuckers from cheesing the game.
>>29417828>Natural disasters.Rocks fall, everyone is triggered.
>>29417959>Wait, is my library the only one occupied by only sexy mifls?I have only had dumpy 60+ librarians.
>>29417959>Hey, I would claim cheetohs trigger me if would stop those fuckers from cheesing the game.>cheetohs>cheesingFucking fantastic.
>>29417946>. And the X card provides a way for you to do that without overly disrupting your game.Or just open your mouth, like humans have been doing for thousands upon thousands of years. Worked for everyone before. If you're willing to get deep into RP, you will be able to talk this sort of shit out, won't you?
>>29417994>Or just open your mouth, like humans have been doing for thousands upon thousands of years.The point is to be non-disruptive, and use gestures and signals that might, say, be usable while someone else is in the middle of talking.
>>29417946No it doesn't. It brings attention to an ambiguous possible issue which will then limit the whole game in unnatural ways as you try to figure out what, if anything, is bothering them.You want to know what happens when one of my fellow players transforms into Kum-Gurr, the Many Heads of pleasure and want to describe what he is doing to those gnome girls he tied to a tree? I tell him to stop or I'll leave because we aren't playing that sort of game.So fuck off you tranny faggot.>>29417985>implying a woman can't be fuckable in her 60Dude... I'll take that as a yes and be glad for what I have.>>29417989I aim to please. Normally too high.
>>29410765If by rampant sexism you mean not being a massive wet wipe then yes, it does.>break neck snowboarding, walk it off. Go to hospital 5 weeks later, they x ray and confirm break and send me on my way as I'm doing fine>Don't learn lesson. Severe fracture dislocation of my elbow (look it up) while snowboarding, laugh and joke with doctors while holding my arm together.>Get cancer, get cancer removed. Go paint balling for mates stag do day after getting stitched up ( not going to miss a mates stag do) based doctor recommends not getting shot in stitchesYeah being a man is pretty great, I like being a man. If you like being effeminate that's fine but don't impose your weak will on other people.But in the interest of not wanting to come across as a rampant sexist then add the rule 'if player in question is female replace every instance of 'man the fuck up' with 'woman the fuck up''
>>29417946The problem here is the X card is counter productive to the DM and even roleplay.Let's say we're roleplaying and you're put into a soldier's shoes fighting against Orcs.Boom, you have broken the Orc stronghold and you enter the keep, ad lo and behold, Orc women and children along with some Orc guard corpses.Then our friend Deshanwey the blackgendered zheonist raises the X card, because they are uncomfortable about it? The matter is dropped and we shuffle the story on.How the fuck am I supposed to know what "triggered" who? Was it the prospect of wartime casulties? Was it War orphans? Was it Orcs having women and children at all?Instead of having a tumblr trigger button, TALKING about something will help EVERYONE.
>>29418047A vauge trigger button is more disruptive to the game than Tyrone yelling "Yo man, your Nurgle shit is too gross and descriptive, I can smell the shit man that shit is not cool."
>>29418047Since when is not talking something out the solution? Protip: never. Disruptive is not telling someone you don't want the shitting dicknipples in the game, straight to his face. Disruptive IS when you put up with it for too long and then quit the game, pulling an integral party member out of the circulation because they didn't get your issue. The paper card only makes the process of communicating more ambigous and, this bothers me the most, adds phenomenal amounts of pointless autism to it if you could just OPEN YER GAB and TALK.
>>29417994If you've ever seen someone having to fumble through words while they're reliving a particularly unpleasant experience, it's not great. Tap the card, rewind 5 minutes in-universe, go somewhere else. Done. Don't talk about it, don't bitch about it, bring it up later if they're willing to talk. Faster and better than someone having to explain about abuse or talk about the death of their sister. It's not what we're here for, and it's not what you want to hear about in the middle of a game.
>>29418111>Since when is not talking something out the solution? Protip: never.Which is why the document recommends that people potentially discuss it after the game. But again, the point behind the card is that you can keep on playing and don't have to completely grind your game to a halt when something touches on something uncomfortable.
>>29418208>You come across a dark cave, smouldering with the stench of death and decay>Someone holds up the cardHow do you solve this situation now?
>>29417959>Wait, is my library the only one occupied by only sexy mifls?My 70 year old mother works at the library, so... yeah...
>>29418153>>29418208That sort of thing should be cleared out before the game even begins. If your autism is advanced far enough that you actually expect everyone to be a mind reader instead of just telling them about some (seriously, not just tumblr imaginary) traumatic experiences you'd rather avoid then I can guess you're not doing the whole "social interaction for the sake of roleplay" thing right anyhow. People need to know this sort of big thing beforehand, the GM might ave plotted the campaign about a sister getting killed. What then? Tap that fucking card and make the GM pull a whole new campaign out of his ass because you didn't handle the issue before it cropped up?
>>29415874But then you should just say "hey, this stuff makes me really uncomfortable for private and personal reasons, and I'd like if we didn't do it."I can't see tapping a card being LESS awkward than plainly stating that it isn't cool with you.And it isn't really saving on time either, because either way the DM is going to need to take at least a few seconds to change or retcon what's happening, and longer if the "trigger" is in some way important to the plot.I'd agree that it's cool to not want to play a game if it has rape or domestic violence that makes a player uncomfortable, but you still don't need a fucking X card.Even if you don't want to talk about the reason, if you're so socially challenged that you can't tell people that you're uncomfortable with something, you shouldn't be playing a social game.
>>29418073Don't mean to butt in on your conversation, but just a couple things.First off, I'm going to ignore you massive e-penis for a second here and actually try and focus on what you're saying."man the fuck up" is used because up until the past couple decades, that was the role society placed on men. Be strong, do your job, walk it off, you don't get sad, you get angry. So when a little boy gets told by his dad to "man up", it's clearly implying what he's doing is something unmanly- or WOMANly.Obviously, these sends the message that all women are sniveling losers and not as tough as men. And while as a societal and physiological standard, women are more open with their emotions than men, assumptions on such a subject aren't appreciated by many.I'm not dissing your attitude on taking hits (though you could really pull back on the "I'm so tough" bullshit), but it doesn't change the fact that women can also be tough as shit- and that doesn't make them more manly. They didn't man the fuck up. They just aren't whining. The end of it. Three outa' five of the toughest people I know are women, none of whom are manly.Why don't you just replace "Man the fuck up" with "Don't be a bitch about it".
>>29418263You can't expect people to hand in life stories before the game begins. You're playing with strangers, but usually your RPGs don't attract wimps. Not everyone wants to talk about traumatic experiences as a prelude to a game for a variety of reasons.
>>29418259I don't understand why women let themselves go. My mother still gets hit upon, much to their surprise when they find out she is in her 60's and my father's annoyance that yet another kid is doing that.All the women in my family are like that. Good nutrition, good exercise, and a few cares keep any woman beautiful past her 60s without operations or weird shit.And yes, it was sort of weird seeing my mother get hit on and she nicely shrugging them off while letting them know she is married, but I have gotten to the stage I just sort of take it for granted.>>29418263This.I have never entered a game where we don't first introduce ourselves, try to tell each other what we would which the game to stick to, and then reacting and steering it to our preferences in case it goes elsewhere.>>29418347In his defence, the number of women who are even interested in this sort of thing was effectively zero until very recently, and now it fluctuates between 0 and 1, so generally speaking, the person involved needs to man up.
>>29416374But then we'd have nothing to criticize and we'd all be bored on a Friday night.
>>29418373No, I'm generally not playing with strangers, I'm usually either a) playing with friends I know how to deal with and who communitcate with me human beings in possesion of a fucking brain or b) playing in online games with guys I really don't give a fuck about if I trip all the triggers because they're just three clicks away from being right out of my contacts again, so the card was never anything I looked for at all.
>>29418347Not him, but it seems you fail to grasp the principles and idealisms of masculinity and find them somehow anti-woman.I call my brother "a girl" "Woman" and "A little bitch" every time he's scared of doing something.Why? Because I hate Women? Because I find them more cowardly or inferior?No, because they are the opposite of a man in a literal sense.When saying "Man the fuck up" people always mean "Don't be a bitch about it."It's actually a unisex term
>>29418375>my father's annoyance that yet another kid is doing that.I don't fucking get it. I do not.Why would you be ANGRY that you have external validation that your loved one is SMOKIN' HOT?
>>29416374Thats not a good point, it basically proves his entire idea is retarded as fuck>You don't like my idea that is counterproductive and coddling? TOO BAD! Some retards might like it so there!
>>29418244>How do you solve this situation now?Do you really think that sort of situation will happen?Perhaps for someone afraid of closed spaces or darkness, you can quickly try and change the scenery. Or ask and figure out what exactly they are uncomfortable with (that's in the document: if it isn't explicitly clear what's making them uncomfortable, throw them a quick question then move on).>>29418263>That sort of thing should be cleared out before the game even begins.That's actually addressed in the document as well. Sometimes, people don't even know what makes them uncomfortable until they are faced with it. Talking before the game isn't going to help for such situations.
>>29418457Holy shit, I want you to read what you just wrote and rewrite it.I refuse to believe you meant what you just wrote. You clearly had a seizure, because that makes no sense.>I call my brother a girl when he's scared>It's not because I'm saying girls are all scared>It's just because they're the opposite of men, who aren't scared
>>29418502>Do you really think that sort of situation will happen?Some of the triggers he lists are darkness, Death, corpses and Rotting.The plan is to go fight zombies in a cave.Guess how fucked the DM is now
>>29418540Then simply tell the player that this adventure definitely isn't for them, and they'll have to find another one.Better than pressuring them to keep playing when they are rapidly getting more and more uncomfortable.
>>29418530>if I pretend to be retarded, my Feminism works!Men are supposed to not be scared.If I call him ANYTHING not a man, it implies he's not a man for being scared.Girls are the easiest opposite to Man to sum up.I also call him a timid little mouse, a big pussy and a retarded chimp.Am I animalist too?
>>29418467cuz ya don't want suckas hittin on ya girl
>>29418502>Sometimes, people don't even know what makes them uncomfortable until they are faced with itSo? I'm not comfortable with many things but dealing witht ehm properly is a mark of a good roleplayer and a good human being too. If it's not some serious fucking trauma the person is dealing with then they get a pic related from me, you better pull your asscheeks together and try to contain your autism boyo.
>>29418467My father doesn't take kindly to the thirteenth kid not so subtly implying they want to fuck her on the table, he is the sort of guy who would wear a top had and carry a cane sword if my mother (and the courts) told him him he couldn't use either (mostly the cane sword for the courts).He is also a stubborn asshole with a heart of gold and could not be more anachronistic if he wore a suit of armour and tried to kill muslims for the Pope... which I fear he would actually do because he is also slightly racist.Great guy, though.
>>29418573>if I ignore everything the other person said, I'll surely win!I cannot argue with this much bait. gg
>>29418347feel free to join in guy/buddy/friend/chickwell she/he asked in what way it effected my day to day life, those are examples. Slightly extreme examples but it has been a shitty year.so you're saying replace 'man the fuck up' or in essence 'be a man,' with 'don't be a bitch,' the word 'bitch' being a common insult for women, in what way is that better? Although I get what you're saying, but once you start censoring what you can and can't say your ability to communicate is diminished. For example someone is acting like a little bitch, how do you describe that without hurting someone's feelings, using offensive language or 'triggering'? (I'm calling bullshit on 'triggers' man/woman up) Something happens that makes you uncomfortable or hurts your feelings? Tough shit, deal with it, face it. Wrapping everyone in bubble wrap just weakens them and stops them growing as a person
>>29418583>I'm not comfortable with many things but dealing witht ehm properly is a mark of a good roleplayer and a good human being too.And being willing to accommodate those unfortunate enough to be incapable of dealing with them yet is part of being a good human being too. The part you're apparently missing.
>>29418676I don't want to assosciate with people who pussy out at things they feel are "uncomfortable" for anything short of severe personal trauma. That indicates a lack of spine and a mindset too close to those SJW's that I despise so much. Life is pain, embrace it. It makes you much better in the long run, with everything. That'd be that from me.
>>29418730>I don't want to assosciate with people who pussy out at things they feel are "uncomfortable" for anything short of severe personal trauma.Then don't. No one is stopping your childish ass from walking away from any game you damn well wish. You can take your fake-ass machismo to whatever closet you came out of, and roleplay from inside it for all anyone gives a shit.
>>29418676Accommodation is bending backwards to whatever will offend the finer subtleties of someone's weak psyche, but rather doing your best so that you don't actively tap into anything that makes them uncomfortable.If my friend is a muslim (which he is): we make sure to not have food with pork, have alcohol-less drinks, and generally make sure we don't get wasted or shit on qurans.We don't: ban all alcohol, make all the woman wear burkas, and make our characters pray to allah with every roll.
>>29418783Exactly. It's not about making the game into a big hugbox. It's about treating each other with a degree of respect, and avoiding things that make one another uncomfortable for the sake of keeping the game fun for everyone.
>>29418672I literally agree with everything you just said, but you ALSO used a perfectly good alternative."Deal with it".And I'm not saying you should tread lightly not to step on anyone's toes, but at the same time, there's some very clear and obvious things we can do, or avoid saying that makes it better for everyone. I think your "bubble wrap" is a really slippery slope argument, and unfair to my point of view.I don't go around telling people not to use the phrase. I just personally find it particularly demeaning to women, and don't use it because of that. Like I said, 3/5 of the toughest people I know are women, and when I hear "man up", it's like the people that taught me not to be a bitch are suddenly being lumped with the people they taught me not to be. and I'm like "waaht? That's not really fair".
>>29418752>Then don't. No one is stopping your childish ass from walking away from any game you damn well wish. You can take your fake-ass machismo to whatever closet you came out of, and roleplay from inside it for all anyone gives a shit.Mad? And I'm not talking about this from a player's perspective, I'm talking about a GM's perspective. If I run a game where every faggot can tap some bloody card and force me to skip part of the elaborateplan I have laid out because they're afraid of shadows or something then I'll rather tear up the fucking card and boot out whoever keeps interrupting my flow. Dealing with people means putting up with things you don't like, that's society and interpersonal relationships 101. If you can't do that you're not fit to leave the house.
>>29418583>If it's not some serious fucking trauma the person is dealing withSometimes it is. I could see certain RP cultures using this more than others, like military personnel who have seen some shit.
>>29418859refer to >>29418263 then, clear that shit out beforehand if it's so severe.
>>29418830>If I run a game where every faggot can tap some bloody card and force me to skip part of the elaborateplan I have laid out because they're afraid of shadows or something then I'll rather tear up the fucking card and boot out whoever keeps interrupting my flow.Then either you're a shitty GM, you have a shitty group, or you're a shitty person.Roleplayers want to roleplay, and they will put up with a lot for the sake of playing a game. The point of the card is to give people a safe way to point out when their limits have been reached. It's a tabletop version of the S&M safe word... and no one ever calls S&M fetishists pussies.If your group is using it constantly and for things that are rather inane, then you play with children. If you aren't willing to accommodate your players on the rare instance that they cannot handle what's going on, then you're a child.
>>29418783is not bending*>>29418752You are aware the opposite, people with paper thin skins coming to play a game where anything can happen and you should probably be active in not allowing it to go there or just don't play because chaos triggers you and Slanneesh is doing a housewarming party.If you want those people to go into closets and play on their, assuming the shadows don't trigger them, be my guest.>>29418815But that's exactly what this is not. I am here to have fun, and your arguing for doing the second option. My friend not liking pork doesn't mean I won't be eating my mother's home-made super bacon nachos. Likewise, me being Christian shouldn't stop him from enjoying praying at the proper times because, come on man, the game has to go on.You cannot deny me something and call it accommodation. Accommodation is giving others options to enjoy the game, not curtail everyone's options so he doesn't feel offended.
>>29418573Propositional logic 101.This isn't even about the inconsiderate sexism, it's about whether the post makes sense as a statement.It does not. And that is independent of you declaring cowardly men unsuitable by excluding them from their gender or rewarding female bravery with honorary male status.
>>29418870>You can't expect people to hand in life stories before the game begins. You're playing with strangers, but usually your RPGs don't attract wimps. Not everyone wants to talk about traumatic experiences as a prelude to a game for a variety of reasons.
>>29418902>inconsiderate sexismGet the fuck out. I want to agree with you, but with bullshit like this I can't help but say: get the fuck out.
>>29418891>You are aware the opposite, people with paper thin skins coming to play a game where anything can happen and you should probably be active in not allowing it to go there or just don't play because chaos triggers you and Slanneesh is doing a housewarming party.No one says you are compelled to play with people you don't want to play with. If you have someone in your group that is using the card to be obtrusive, then let it be known. The fact that you didn't surmise this on your own is just plain sad.>You cannot deny me something and call it accommodation.Accommodation is not me denying you. Accommodation is me denying myself out of respect for you. How do you not fucking know this?
>>29418884>The point of the card is to give people a safe way to point out when their limits have been reached. >It's a tabletop version of the S&M safe word... and no one ever calls S&M fetishists pussies.>If your group is using it constantly and for things that are rather inane, then you play with children. If you aren't willing to accommodate your players on the rare instance that they cannot handle what's going on, then you're a child.Are you fucking serious? How's this category-making going, either I pussyfoot around everyone and bend to every whim or I'm an immature child? What?Simple rules: if I run the game there'll be info what's cropping up. We're playing Dark Heresy. You'll be investigating some shit on a Hive World. I want at least one of you to pick a combat-focused character.If any fucking nigger crops up to me with issues ranging from gore to darkness to tight enclosed spaces to people getting implanted by genestealers they need to get their goddamn reality check redone. This is really damn easy to grasp.
>>29418932Attaching weak traits to women and all strong, brave, positive ones to men is literally the definition of sexism.
>>29418917see >>29418439
>>29418891Jesus christ you're dumb.
>>29418932Judging people by sex and dividing traits by sex constitutes sexism.This isn't even ideological or normative. It's just describing the term.
>>29418959>How's this category-making going, either I pussyfoot around everyone and bend to every whim or I'm an immature child?I didn't give you a dichotomy. I gave you a multitude of options. You can accommodate, you can give players forewarning that the scenario will not be suited for them and give them a chance to drop out in a respectful manner, or you can do what you're doing right now and be a colossal bitch.It's not fucking hard.
>>29418818'deal with it' is fine, but I will also use 'man up' or if I'm labouring the point I might pour an imaginary pint and hand it to them and very sincerely explain to them that it is 'a pint of man the fuck up' and that they need to drink it and believe it's 'a pint of man the fuck up' otherwise it wont work. It is a slippery slope and it starts as soon as you say, 'you shouldn't say x.' It's just a case of where you plant yourself on the slope or if you let yourself slide down it until you're full blown SJW with no mind for yourself. Tell me I'm not the only one struggling with these fucking captchas, fuck! Jesus fucking christ I just want to post my drunken ramblings!
>>29418987Yes? He's saying it's not relevant to him. So? It doesn't stop it from being useful to other people or a good idea in general. Sometimes you don't know your RPers like the back of your hand nor do you want to treat them as expendable, one-time meetings.
>>29419029>>29418961>>29418902Hey "Sexist" guy here.What if I Also attached strength, bravery, stoicism and all the "positive" traits to women as well.I use the threat of being unmasculine as an insult, not the threat of being a woman.Man the fuck up tumblr.
>>29419034The forewarning is always there, with everyone. I do believe someone making a campaign will share what it's about in at least a rough manner, and the system will run it's won course. For example, if I run Nechronica once again and I hear anyone whining after we made the characters and begun the game oh yeah jup that's a kickban alright.
>>29418627Isn't that exactly what you did to my argument?Oh wait SJW logic.
>>29418917"Hello strangers, I won't tell you what bothers me, but if I tap this I'll keep you guessing for the whole game and quite likely cause it to become an issue. That sounds like a better solution.">>29418957>No one says you are compelled to play with people you don't want to play with. If you have someone in your group that is using the card to be obtrusive, then let it be known. The fact that you didn't surmise this on your own is just plain sad.That's not the point we are discussing and you fucking knowing. You are arguing that somehow people who play Roleplaying games who expect others to have a degree of sense of reality in that trying to keep a group of mind-readers and threading on top of egg are the issue; In fact individuals with clear issues on their emotional balance trying to play and refuse to make sure others understand are the ones who are causing a problem. I cannot go to your house, start sleeping in your couch, and then act like you are the problem because my imposition upon you shouldn't bother you if you aren't sleeping on it yourself.>Accommodation is not me denying you. Accommodation is me denying myself out of respect for you. How do you not fucking know this?Because that's not accommodation at all. When I accommodate you, I'm doing you a favour, no self-sacrifice from my part required. Stop changing words so they fit your ideology.>>29418988You need to attach actual arguments to your insults, otherwise you look desperate.>>29418961>>29419029No, sexism is discrimination based upon said separation of traits. I could think all women are sluts who will run away when fired upon, but unless I actually act upon said believes no sexism has occurred.So Kindly fuck off.That said, thread has been autosaged, so my work here is done.
>>29419112>unmasculineWomen, by definition, are unmasculine. Masculinity it LITERALLY the culmination of "MANLY" traits.What you're saying is a complete oxymoron.
>>29419155>actually act upon said believes no sexism has occurred.So by mentioning it, you've now acted on it. We now know you're sexist.Checkmate, atheists.
>>29419097It's a terible idea for anyone bt the most emotionally and socially stunted people in the whole world.
>>29419129>The forewarning is always there, with everyone.Which means you're probably not going to see this card being used very often. I don't think most people are. It's just a safety feature, like seatbelts. You don't wear seatbelts because you get into car wrecks every fucking day... you wear them for the one rare instance where it saves your fucking life.In the case of this card, most playgroups will probably never see it used, so everyone is bitching over nothing. It will most likely be used in response to unusual situations that were foreseen, and it will be a good way to know that a limit has been crossed without breaking the flow of play significantly.>>29419155>You are arguing that somehow people who play Roleplaying games who expect others to have a degree of sense of reality in that trying to keep a group of mind-readers and threading on top of egg are the issueDoes this sentence even mean anything?>In fact individuals with clear issues on their emotional balance trying to play and refuse to make sure others understand are the ones who are causing a problem.What if you were the one encouraging them to play in the first place, or what if someone else at the table was?You have a very narrow view on all of this.>When I accommodate you, I'm doing you a favour, no self-sacrifice from my part required.You have no idea what accommodation is, and you need to read a dictionary before you spend anymore time on the net arguing with anyone.
>>29419143You can only fight stupidity with more stupidity. If I made any more arguments or repeated the arguments you decided not to read (all of them), then you'd have ignored those too.
>>29419201Ah.But I said in my post that I consider Women all the positive traits I do for men.So although women are by definition, they are unmasculine, but there is nothing wrong with this, except for someone who prides his masculinity, who would desire those positive traits AND the intangible aspect of Masculinity.I am no sexist, I do not find the idea of women to be unable to grasp traits often associated with men. I do however grasp the idea of there being a part of the Male Psyche that desires these traits as an integral part of itself in some people.In short, I don't find the idea of being called a women derogatory due to being called a woman, I use it derogatory to imply you lack masculinity.
>>29419201I like your bro logic>masculine means manly>unmasculine means women >unmasculine men are women >bro fist>now where's my traps?
>>29419280>You can only fight stupidity with more stupidity.So you basically ignored my post because you didn't really want to grasp it correctly? So instead you shitpost and pretend to have won a discussion?Man the fuck up.
>>29419265>You don't wear seatbelts because you get into car wrecks every fucking day... you wear them for the one rare instance where it saves your fucking life.You're comparing a maximum autismtool that can easily be replaced by the standard pair of jaws, tounge and diaphragm erry human comes pre-equipped with to a life-saving necessary safety measure that will inevitably crop up neccessarily?Do you realize what kind of laughable stuff you are spewing? This is nothing but bullshit for everyone who can make smalltalk without loosing his daily supplement of Italian long noodles.
>>29419095>'deal with it' is fine, but I will also use 'man up' or if I'm labouring the point I might pour an imaginary pint and hand it to them and very sincerely explain to them that it is 'a pint of man the fuck up' and that they need to drink it and believe it's 'a pint of man the fuck up' otherwise it wont work.Not really sure what point you're trying to make here. Other than you clearly don't find the term demeaning in any way, and will continue to use it. Okay?? I didn't expect to change your mind, you've clearly got it made. I was just explaining my side.>It is a slippery slope and it starts as soon as you say, 'you shouldn't say x.' It's just a case of where you plant yourself on the slope or if you let yourself slide down it until you're full blown SJW with no mind for yourself. Amazingly, if you read what I said, I said I have not delusions of trying to stop people from using the phase (as you put it "you shouldn't say x".). And secondly, what you're saying is the a complete slope, and you're admitting it.There's a difference between complete trigger-warning bullshit and just what is an appropriate thing to say. I'm not drawing any lines in the fucking sand here, but you're acting as if there is no societal rules of general etiquette what-so-ever. All you're saying is "say anything you want, and if people don't like that, it's SJW bullshit".
>>29419365>You're comparing a maximum autismtool that can easily be replaced by the standard pair of jaws, tounge and diaphragm erry human comes pre-equipped with to a life-saving necessary safety measure that will inevitably crop up neccessarily?I've never needed a seatbelt, you're full of shit.
>>29419476Great false simile.
>>29419112I see. So you don't mean ill.You just fail to think beyond your little box of convenient terminology.If you call someone not-male as an abuse, you define male-ness by your set of traits and thus essentially divide the world of traits into ones that are supposedly male or female.Naturally you do not say he literally is a woman, but you still argue in terms of sex as opposed to specific traits.If you say women can be manly too, you do not stop pushing reality into a sexist category system. You just hand women the "Behaves Like She Had A Dick" award.See, if you say a person defined by race, each race having certain traits, that is racist logic, no matter how good your intentions.If you say a person is in the same way defined by sex, that is sexism.That is, again, not a normative category. It's not inherently evil or ill-intentioned.But calling a man a man/manly because he is courageous, that is sexist. You define Courage as associated with masculinity.
>>29419347>So you basically ignored my post because you didn't really want to grasp it correctly? So instead you shitpost and pretend to have won a discussion?Good to know you know what you did.
>>29419490>Great false simile.That's the point. This entire thread has been full of them. Just a shitton of children who think that because their group is great, or they don't have a problem, this is clearly a bad idea. The comparison is actually quite apt, considering there were people making the same claim about seatbelts several decades ago.
>>29419536The difference is, this card brings nothing new to the table. If I rell someone "Tone it down man, it's going a bit far", that's that. Done. Go on, try talking to the sidewalk as you're rocketing towards it face-first.
>>29419497So basically, you still don't quite grasp my concept of using imasculation as the key to the ribbing.>But calling a man a man/manly because he is courageous, that is sexist. You define Courage as associated with masculinity.Why can't a male trait be courage? How is that sexist? Why can't masculinity be a positive trait?
>>29419497you do know women and men are different, right?
People are really blowing this out of proportion. You're not being forced to use this. You're not being forced to play with it. You probably won't even ever run across this in real life. Who the fuck even cares. Are you that upset over SJW-linked things that you're going to get mega buttmad at something that does not even apply to you?If you come across an X-card game, don't play it. If that's hard, let me know by pulling out your DMX-card. If you don't have one, don't worry. X gon' give it to you.>>29418830You're the GM. You don't have to use this. It's your choice to use it or not. You don't have to put up with shit. The government's not going to come into your house and throw X-cards at you and force you to use them in your games. Calm down, man. You're being hysterical.
>>29419578>The difference is, this card brings nothing new to the table.It brings a less disruptive means of addressing your limits to the table. Someone can use the X Card while I'm in the middle of talking without having to interrupt me vocally, or may potentially do so when perhaps the memory of a trauma has left them speechless.It brings options to the table. And since it does absolutely dick if no one ever uses it, it does so in a completely unobstructive manner that is rather intuitive and fairly simple.I've seen something like it used before, in the form of red and yellow cards used by the GM to denote when someone is making another player uncomfortable. This version is much better than that, because it leaves authority in the hands of everyone at the table.But if you don't like it, don't use it. That's kind of implicit in its design, isn't it?
>>29419714Of course I won't. I just want to make clear that this is cancer of the highest magnitude.
>>29417870People with speech impediments and accents most likely. Probably got picked on or beaten up for it.
>>29419095Do you know any black people? You probably know that you shouldn't say "Nigger" in front of them. It's a big deal, you don't get angry about it, it's just a word, and since you're not a complete fucking tool, you understand why they might not want to hear that. They're black, and it's demeaning.Have you ever been to a dinner party. Maybe with older folk.If so, you probably know to refer to the group as "you all", instead of "you guys". You don't have to think about it- it doesn't make you angry. You just know it's the polite thing to do. They're old-fashioned, and they like to be formal, instead of chummy.Have you ever met a tough women? Maybe you shouldn't glue weak traits to women, and the very wide ranging ideas of strength, courage, etc, to masculinity, and subsequently, being a man.As you say, they're all just terms. That's it. Nothing to get butthurt about. But why NOT be the bigger person and say "oh, I totally see how this could sound fucking retarded, I'll not say that". Suck up your fucking pride, dude. Having a laundry list of horseshit like >>29409443 is completely different.
>>29419702>trying to diffuse a pointless argument by pointing out the logical flaws in the premiss. What's it like being this new to the internet?
>>29419749>I just want to make clear that this is cancer of the highest magnitude.FATAL is cancer of the highest magnitude. You're just exaggerating about problems that don't exist. Unless you've been in a game using one of these cards, and the fucking thing was used every 5 seconds, quit your bitching
>>29418073Not the person you're replying to, but I won't impose my weak will on people if you don't impose your strong will on people. >>29418347>calls out man the fuck up as sexist>suggest don't be a bitch about itYou do realize that's just a different way of phrasing the same thing, if not even more sexist than man the fuck up?
>>29419307Again, sexism is the simple act of defining masculinity and femininity by character traits, not a biological status (Don't drag in any complications here, please).>>29419581Not saying it can't. Just saying it is sexist to do so.You set up an ideal of what a man is supposed to be and one for women, too.Then you judge sex as a relative status by proximity to an ideal.>>29419641Yes, they are. Anon was still using terms and categories describing sex to indicate character traits.He is saying a man should be courageous and thus anyone courageous is manly, a man's man, aspiring to the ideal of what men are to be.This is very different from the biological status of being a man or woman.Looking at someone and saying "This is (biologically) a man for he has a penis", is a purely descriptive statement. Saying "You are a true man for your bravery", is a sexist statement.
>>29419764so rather than over coming it they submit to your enabling, did Kreia teach you nothing?
>>29419867As you know, dogs whine. Bitch is also a "slur" (don't know how you can slur dogs, but whatever) for a female dog. Saying you're a bitch is saying you're whining, not that you're a woman.Whereas, "man up" is saying that the preferred traits, the ones you want, are masculine, and therefore the opposite of the traits women possess. And if a woman does possess those traits, she is, by definition, more "manly" than the other women.
New thread >>29419962Because fuck >>29419155
How about both sides stop acting like it's the end of the fucking world. Jesus, it's really like politics. You just say the polar opposite of whatever the other side says, just to disagree with them.Have any of you ever heard of compromise?
>>29419950might want to check your facts there buddy, maybe man up while you're doing it too
>>29419950By a sexist definition, yes.This is not claiming it would not often hold true.
>>29419996>Compromise?the last refuge of the bearded, cricket hating sodomite?No thank you
>>29419808I'm not. I'm just sick and obviously not thinking well enough.The way these threads always go is:someone from SRS or /pol/ says somethingPeople that aren't batshit on either side, but lean more to one than the other, think that the other is extremist and everyone argues and no one takes anyone's points into consideration ad we just clog up the board when we should be telling That Guy stories, DMing advice, and posting pictures of giant titty elves.
>>29419931My enabling? I'm just telling you who probably feels that way, not saying I agree with it. Settle down, buddy.
>>29419909men and women do have different character traits though
>>29420267As do every man and every woman, relative to any other man or woman.As I said, it is not about the perceived truth of the statement, but about the logic by which you approach reality.
>>29414531Yes, the unpleasant cocksmoker who just can't quit because he's worthless.Seriously, everyone who wants to quit smoking but can't commit acts like a goddamned baby about cigarettes. Quit or shut the fuck up and maybe you'll not be treated like a selfish bitch.
>>29409389Triggers Include>Authority figures>Blood>Corpses>Injuries>Pain>Sharp Objects>Religion>Swearing>Violence>War>Yelling>mfw Chaos>FAILINGOH, MY FUCKING DICE ROLLED A ONE ON THE BBEG, X CARD, RE-ROLL UNTIL I WIN, THAT'S HOW I FUCKING DO ROLE-PLAY>The more you use it, the better. >The X-Card sometimes leads to more intense playAAAAHHHHey guys, remember that story of the five heroes who went on an adventure with only pillows tied to sticks, (Because swords are sharp, X CARDED) killed no one, never got hurt or failed in any way, went around doing absolutely NOTHING because the BBEG had the gall to be ANTAGONISTIC AND THAT FUCKING TRIGGERED ME X CARDED FAGGOTNO YOU DO NOT.Maybe if this stuff scares you you're an asshole who needs to learn to deal with his problems, but more importantly you probably shouldn't play a fucking game where those things are literally GUARANTEED to happen.I'm going to go to a 40k tournament with these and X Card the shit out of my opponent and when the ref tells me it's illegal I'll sue for prejudiceYAY ROLE-PLAY, IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY THERE.I didn't know this board could make me rage, goddammit /tg/.
>>29413512This.
