>>29588616
Average Joes with only minor divine powers trying to do good in a shitty world.

>>29588616
Untouchable sense of honor, yet the ends justify the means kinda folk.

>>29588616
non-existent

just demons and demons pretending to be angels

Angels are not people. They are constructs, created by the divines with divine power to accomplish a purpose.

By any means necessary

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Extra crispy

>>29588616
Beings whose visage causes mortal eyes to burst into flame.

>>29588616
Ones that vary depending on the god they serve. Draconic angels for bahamut, radiant humans for pelor, butterfly winged elves for corellon, orcs with bat wings for gruumsh, etc.

Alien to the human mind, following rules and codes so different from our own that we are unable to comprehend them.

I like my angels as paladins that have passed in battle but have transcended to a higher order so that they can still fight for their god.

They served in life honorably and nobly so to can they serve in death as an angel.

>>29588616
Rebellious.

>>29588616

Horrors from beyond the understanding of mortal minds, filled with so much power that they can harm you merely by being in the genral vicinity.

Geometrical with laser beams accompanied by inaudible shrieking.

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>>29588738
This, but after a number of such incidents it was decided that angels should adopt a standard form when interacting with mortals.

After much deliberation it was agreed that the form most suited for their purposes was that of professional wrestler Hulk Hogan.

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>>29588890

>>29588616
ANGRY, sir!

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Depends on the setting, but generally with alien shape, alien mind, and alien purpose.

Only really appearing because shit's gone down, and not friendly.

That said, I do like some of the Megaten versions.

>>29588878
10/10 proportions

>>29588740

Orcs with spiked club wings, you mean.

Do they fly? No. Do they come in handy? They give a new meaning to "wings beating".

As perfect Men. Basically they have their own lives and World and City, their own governments and councils, their own philosophies and ways, their own nearly magical high technology [as you'd expect a civilization that for aeons has only known one major conflict, and that a continuing one].

SO basically a combination of Tolkien Elves and Kryptonians. So YHWH is the Big Good [for once]. No edgy and no hallmark squishiness. Just a giant bearded badass whose actually just an avatar for a boundless spirit being.

Aren't angels supposed to actually look like horrific shapes that can drive you mad just by being looked at?

>>29589035
If we're going by the Bible, they look like weird Hindu aliens with multiple faces and several sets of wings.

But no they don't drive you mad or incinerate you to look upon them.

Enochian angels. Fire with wings that fuck everything up, pretty much.

>>29588855
I had a setting once with LG and CG paladin varieties, and they staffed the afterlife bureaucracy that handled mortal paladins. LG paladins could pray for more smite uses and specially equipped mounts and the like. CG paladins had a chance to not use smite uses (because all the loose cannons in their side of the paladiny bureaucracy lost the paperwork) and also to get slightly nicer mounts that were actually CG paladins shapeshifted and sneaking away from their posts to do more hands on work.

>>29588911
Dammit, this is worksafe board!
Can't ya just post em proper and decent like >>29588878 ?

>>29589072
>But no they don't drive you mad or incinerate you to look upon them.
If you're good man of pure faith.

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Wheels and eyes.

>>29588717
>Gods make angels
>Some rebel
>Fey make weird critters out of other things mashed together
>Some rebel
>Mortals make warforged
>Some rebel
Demon/gryphon/robot clusterfuck up in this bitch

>>29588689
Stocking, is that you?

>>29588616
mysterious and completely inscrutable. you don't know what their agenda is, where they come from, or truly whose authority they answer.

all you know is that when they show up, evil is royally and totally fucked. There's just something appealing about a heavy handed force of justice coming down and delivering a heavenly curvestomp to the forces of darkness.

>>29588616
There's the fanatic bureaucrat, where wars and extremism happens because RULES, and then shit is filled with lightning and unyielding imperatives.

There's the mafia-ish, where it is basically tug of war between spirits and complicated loyalty networks, while no one seems to know why.

There's the monstrous, where most lore goes out the window and you assume the crash landing position because a fucking celestial crashed the scene.

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as seen thorugh the lens of japanese weirdness.

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Crushed under my boot.

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God and His Angels.

>>29589035
the "true form" of biblical angels is quite odd, but they can take human form for the purpose of interacting with humans

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>>29589099
I'm both of those anons, silly.

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Hidden behind a humanoid form to avoid the mortals from suffocating in awe of the angel's true visage, and to prevent the world from being twisted by the same thing.

>>29589358
I like Admonition for that sort of "hide the true terror" vibe.

>>29588616
Dicks

>>29588616
Diablo did angels well. Huge-ass superpaladins with wings and holy power.

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>>29588616
In one setting, they're the standardized workforce of all deities. As in all Angels are crafted by a neutral smith god and delivered to other gods to act as warrior-servants. Demons are angels that serve evil deities, though appearancewise they're almost exactly the same, extremely shiny, sword-overdosing, abstract humanoids.

In another setting, the only angel that appeared before the party was basically pic related, but more Neutral Good.

>valve actifer

No, captcha, Gaben is not actually the Devil. Despite what some might say.

>>29589464
Angels
>Human-like
>Angels done well

Pick one. The ideas are mutually exclusive.

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Sufficiently Advanced.

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>>29589035
It depends on the angel in question and whether it's from Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.

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>>29589516
>Kotomine Kirei
>Neutral Good
mfw

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As 90s as possible

>>29589582
>How do YOU like YOUR angels?
>There can only be one right answer.

Sure am glad you were here to correct his opinion.

>>29589582
i like the wheels-within-wheels angels as much as anyone but there's no need to be a complete fucking hipster about it.

Sexy.

>>29589415
Well, I wasn't going quite for 'eldritch horror', but more along the lines of 'too spectacular and beautiful for the human mind to comprehend', which I suppose it would be the benevolent version of eldritch horror.

>>29589668
That was cool as fuck
>resurrecting every dead enemy so you could get your personal army

>>29589658
Probably meant "if he were"

Strikes me as "Chaotic Neutral" or "Neutral Evil" really.

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>>29589752
I suppose. I just really like the importance of the eyes. Its as if one glance into them would reveal sanity crushing things.

>>29589688
Stupid people can have incorrect opinions.

>>29589833
you've certainly proven that

Well, In my setting there are two kinds of "Angels": The dwarfish Einharjir, who are great warriors brought back from the dead and kept alive by their own awesomeness.

And the Orcish/Goblinoid as yet unnamed spirits who are like your traditional angels, only fewer, no armies of burning warriors, but a High Council of beings, each with their own shtick/realm.

>>29589858
Yet, which one of us can type like an intelligence human being? Afterall, your lack of capitalization and punctuation makes you look like a Homestuck fan.

>>29589890
>Yet, which one of us can type like an intelligence human being

are you done embarrassing yourself?

>>29589890
>an intelligence human being

Sorry, just pointing out everyone makes mistakes.


When you said human-like angels, did you mean human like in form, or in mind, or something else?

>>29589771
We're coming up on a year now. A year since the last chapter. It's horrifying.

>>29589904
Back to /co/ with you, hamsteak!

>>29589833
No they can't. That's the difference between an opinion and a fact, is that an opinion can never be wrong or right.

Getting real tired of your "objectively" shit, /tg/.

Angels are very much like the sun.
They are Light, they are Power.
And like the sun, they come in different variations.
One is like a summers sun: Gentle, warm, bringing life.
Others are like a winters sun, shining on a field of pure white snow: So bright, they hurt the eye, cold and so very distant.

>>29589582
I definitely like my eldritch horror angels, but sometimes I'm just hankering for some big albinos with immense strength and speaking Words of Power.

With holy swords, too.

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>>29589817
Oh, you were talking about the pic, I was talking about the angels in my setting.

But I agree with you.

Trying to earn their wings.

>inb4 I lasso the moon

>>29590132
Trying to earn their red wings.

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>>29590011
i'd say there's plenty of room for both in the same setting. either because eldritch angels sometimes take the form of humans (which is what happens in the bible) or because angels are divided into different ranks, some of which are eldritch and some of which appear as something similar to human (which is supported by traditional christian thought).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy

there's tons of shit you can crib for worldbuilding purposes.

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>>29588616
I like angels in general, I think. One form I particularly like is 4e D&D's faceless but humanoid god-servants. From experience, just about any depiction of angels has some appeal to me, though.

>>29588616

I actually kind of like Diablo's flavor of angel. They're not there to outright antagonize mortals, but they've got their own fucking agenda. They're not going to kill/rape/enslave you for the hell of it like demons or devils, but they're not your friend.

>>29589035
pretty much eldritch horror levels

>>29588981

Angels are fags? Great.

>>29589969
>recognizing the source material
ONE OF THEM

Servants of god, completely lacking in free will and rather unhappy about the fact. Fuck all they can do about it, though.

>>29591139
How are they unhappy if they don't have free will? Were they commanded to be unhappy?

>>29591375
Yes.

>>29591557
"And the Lord did say, 'No Fun Allowed!' and it was so."

>>29588616
Giant winged robot bio organisms powered by holy energy who serve the will of YHWH-1 by invading every planet and wiping out the native deities and claiming it in the name of YHWH.

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>>29588616

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>>29592170
Forgot image.

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>>29592193
>>29589265
I love WH40K art so much

>>29592354
Is dude on the right about to get trampled?

I like the more out-there ones.


Here's Azrael, Archangel of Death.
>In one of his forms, he has four faces and four thousand wings, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues, the number of which corresponds to the number of people inhabiting the Earth. He will be the last to die, recording and erasing constantly in a large book the names of men at birth and death, respectively. He will receive the souls in the graves

>>29592477
You're gonna love this one: Kerubie, The Flames Which Dance Around The Throne Of God

"Kerubiel is about seven Heavens tall with a body made of burning coals that is covered with thousands of eyes. His face is made of fire, his eyes sparks of light, and his lashes are lightning bolts. Fire spews forth with every word that he speaks and he is covered with wings from head to toe. Thunder, lightning, and earthquakes are his constant companions and the splendor of the Shekinah shines upon him"l

>>29592555
That's amazing.

Is there a designated place where the weirdo angels are or are they scattered here and there?

Also this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemhamphorasch

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>>29588616
Eldritch

>>29588616
I like mine with a kiss.

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The angels described in the bible are pretty messed up really.

>>29592850
>black face
How progressive!

>>29592912
I just see a bunch of animal faces.

>>29592945
Must say I laughed.

>>29592694
"Designated Place For Weird Angels" is, in fact, the name of my next prog-metal band.

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>>29592912
jesus was pretty black

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>>29589607
>Darksiders Angels

>>29593018
Sweden, please go.

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Full of ADAM

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>>29592850

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Legs? Where we are going, you don't need legs.

>>29593190
i know he floats but i can't help but imagine him running around on his hands

>>29589582
Angels in Diablo pre-date man, man only came about because some angels and some demons started fucking and had kids. Angels are not human like in Diablo, humans are angel like. And they don't even technically have bodies as humans do, they're solidified sound and light birthed by a crystal arch that's the left over spine of the creator of the universe after said creator died in battle with the evil it purged from itself in it's quest to be perfect.

>>29589980
Why does Eve have a shitty dye-job?

>>29593279
God damn. I never noticed.

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>>29592193
I just noticed Babyface McManHuge standing there on the left

As very high achieving humans. Like in my setting after a human reaches a certain point in their level of power they ascend to angels and from there go on to godhood.

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I like 'em seraph-style

>>29589244
>that Marathon symbol
y tho

You know what would be cool? A centipede angel, each leg being a wing.

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>>29593018

>>29592377

he's a techpriest so he probably has some robocrab leg thing going on

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>>29588616
I've always been a sucker for the whole "goofing around as a human" type.

Eating ice cream and playing games whenever they can because of that whole eternal servitude thing when they're in their god's presence.

>>29593390
Yahweh will notice her someday.

>>29593384
Or a mantis shrimp angel.

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>>29593390

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>>29588616
In my setting, they are the messengers of a divine being that resides in the sun. They are only sent to the planet if some serious Cthulhu-esque shit goes down.

They arrive on meteorites, and have similar qualities to the surface of the sun. (basically mini fusion reactors walking around dispensing glorious divine justice).
>They are extremely bright and hot, impossible to look at for too long.
>Weapons and armour with the same qualities.
>Extremely radioactive, mutating shit all over the place and setting a lot of stuff on fire.

>>29593384
saving this for when i become a drawfag. what a glorious mental image.

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>>29588616

Lewd.

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Trustworthy!

>>29593554
I want to touch her fluffy wings

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Inadequately dressed.

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>>29593588

Now you've made her blush.

>>29592850
The higher ranking ones, at least. The more human an angel looks, the bigger scrub he is.

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>>29592850

Read the book of Tobit, Raphael is pretty freaking awesome.

>>29589607
The angels in Darksiders looked fucking rad

>>29593634
I will keep touching them until she can do nothing but babble nonsense and flies funny for the next week

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>>29592193
By the blood of Sanguinius, my brother.

>>29593739
Man, Imperius went down like a chump against the Prime Evil, even with Mjollnir Spear.

http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Solarion

>>29593752
Shame we probably won't get a third or possibly fourth game, I was looking forward to playing as the other two horsemen.

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>>29593782

Oh dear.

With big tits and massive dicks. Can't post image because it's pretty /d/.

>>29593814
maybe I'll play with the halo too, I'm pretty sure they can feel it.

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>>29593782
>>29593824
>>29593588

>>29593824

Careful man. Those things are razor sharp.

The "angels" of The Secret World are a bunch of servants that left their master; The Host, a being that bops around making dimensions and leaving them to rot because He is a dick.

There aren't enough of them to save the world and they can't call on higher power, so they guide who they can and ready themselves to die fighting when the multiple apocalypses one day prove too much for humanity.

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>all this fedora tipping

>>29593851
and probably really hot

>>29593834
when you're finally out light a light from the "exertion" I'm going to cum between your wings, right where they meet on your back

>>29593851
>Dokuro-chan

Holy fuck, I just stepped through a portal to 2005.

>>29593851
It's not like they're throwing anuses or anything.
>>29593858
If I wasn't prepared for risks I wouldn't be fondling angels until they collapsed into bliss and dehydration

Oh man god must've been really drunk when he created his angels, just fucking LOOK at them

no wonder he thought that man was perfect considering he was creating these monsters before

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>>29593788
Even Heaven needs a Worf.

>>29593857
It reminds me of "How do we fix elves"

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>>29593857

Dude, what?

This is just goofing around, /tg/ when actually discussing Judeo-Christian tradition and mythology makes for some of the most reasonable and knowledgable religious discussions I've seen on the internet.

>>29592850
>>29593018
the descriptions of angels in the bible definitely reinforces the notion in my mind that certain writers who contributed to both the Old and New testament were tripping on some sweet psychoactive drugs.

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>>29593940

Or maybe they were just creative or specifically used symbolic language to convey theological concepts. Ezekiel, where we get most of our weirdest CANONICAL descriptions of angels is a prototypical apocalypse, and apocalyptic literature by definition uses coded language.

>>29593911
This is true, though insults get tossed around almost by default.

An example of /tg/ formal logic:

1) Everything that began to exist has a cause
2) The universe began to exist
3) Therefore, the universe has a cause, you fucking cock gobbling, retarded aspie.

>>29593899
Yeah I guess, plus he was kind of being hamstrung by fate, the Prime Evil appearing was an apocalypse level event that it was prophesied none would survive. Hence why Tyrael put all his eggs in the nephalem basket.

>>29593965
Light political commentary as well. The writer of Revelations (John) snuck in some digs at Nero, which is why some interperet the events described to have already happened (Peterism).

I like a mix of 'Good to a fault' Angels and 'Justice by any means' Angels.

They tend to conflict well. In their dealings with mortals and each other.

>>29593816
Post it on d and link it.

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>>29593969
Stop trying to turn this thread into something it isn't.

>>29593965
how plausible do you think it is that they a) had access to and b) used psychoactive drugs?
You could very well argue that they used purposely colourful language, i just enjoy thinking about the likelihood that psychedelic influence coloured the already colourful minds of religious authors.
(Hinduism, Shiva and cannabis etcetc)

>>29594016

Of course, apocalyptic literature is fundamentally resistance literature.

>>29594055

I've heard theories that Moses' encounter with God on Sinai was influence by psychotropic mushrooms, but I find that a bit silly considering there's no historical or archaeological evidence for the book of Exodus in the first place so why do we have to justify that one part of it.

But I see what you mean, psychoactive substances very well could've influenced those writings, but for the people who take them seriously as divinely-inspired scripture, the point is moot, they are what they are.

>>29594018
I've always hated good to a fault as a concept, because by definition you would stop being good.

>>29594051
I'm not, I was making a joke about the high level discussions that sometimes happen here that are shot though with nerd-rage and name-calling. The "example of formal logic" was just the first thing that popped into my head as an example.

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Character art I use for my level 20 Aasimar paladin, close enough to an angel.

>>29589072
>But no they don't drive you mad or incinerate you to look upon them.
Drive you mad, no. But the seraphim specifically will incinerate them if you look upon their bare form. They have 6 wings, but only 2 are for flying; the others are just for covering up.

>>29594099
Well, you know what I mean. Basically always trying to save people, never wanting to take harsh measures, etc.

>>29594099

At that point it's more a description of the intentions in mind. So focused on good ends that you're oblivious to negative consequences of your actions to achieve those ends.

Different levels of angel being different.

All demon's are fallen angels.

Lowest level angels are actually just elves, not even holy enough to live in Heaven. The demon form of them is Orcs.

Next up is just dudes with superpowers basically, they become traditional demons

Then the powers progressively get stronger and the angels progressively lose their personality as you climb the ranks. Same with Demons, less focused on fucking over humanity and more focused on fucking over other demons or gaining power or what-have-you.

Midway up is Diablo style angels which are real fuckin' powerful and don't give a fuck about humanity for the most part, doing the will of God. These ones become like the big-kahuna's of Hell. Guys like Beelzebub, Lucifer, etc

Then up high you get angels which are basically autonoma, ridiculously powerful but only do what they're specifically designed. These ones become like the massive fucking force of nature tornado made of lava demons, just charging around fucking shit up indiscriminately.

Finally you get the really fucking weird ones in the highest levels, the ones made of pure energy or the fucking wheel dudes or the balls of a million wings, those sword of guys. The demon forms of these guys are like Cthulhu level guys.

>>29594177
>those sword of guys.

Possessed of a sharp wit, are they?

>>29594143
Oh. Yeah I could see it played that way. I thought you were talking about the idea of being so devoted to good as a concept that what you do in service of it should prevent you from being considered good. I've seen it done, and it's retarded every time.

Imagine a race that can't do anything but be a bureaucrat or liaison. Then imagine that race with the strength of a hundred men, the ability to fly, and heal all but the most grievous injuries. In other words I play them as dour souls with a bit of a chip on their shoulder, as they cannot actually use all of these great powers in a very direct fashion. They very much evoke a sense of wasted potential, and I play that trope all the time, that angels are actually an early alpha version of humans.

>>29594206
Your words cut deep

>>29594228
his vocabulary is cutting-edge

>>29594243
I hope to hone my skills on this thread.

>>29594096
>no

Careful with that word. Archeology isn't a concrete science, we know smatterings. Saying NO evidence is dangerous, given how a lot can be open to interpretation.

>>29594266
i hope you have a knife time

Another race of people basically. Naive and trusting to a fault and more melancholy on average than humans.

>>29594289
I can't imagine why I wouldn't, everyone on /tg/ is enough of a dirk to make puns

>>29594268
A big problem with archaeology related to the bible is the absurd level of proof skeptics demand of the historicity of the biblical narrative.

>>29594307
Yeah, you gotta admit though, they're pretty clever any way you slice it

>>29594339
Trust me, as a guy who is a big fan of history and a devout Christian, I know.

>>29594225
>Saruman gets fed up dealing with all this mortal bullshit and sells out
>Radagast can't deal with all the people fighting and fucks off to the forest to help hedgehogs
>Only wizard we see that's staying completely on task is gandalf, and he still has trouble dealing with everything
There's lots of ways to play it.

>>29594356
This could end up as a huge messar

>>29594356
I like the cut of your gib.

>>29594339
>>29594359
My favorite part is when people insist Jesus never existed because we don't have his birth certificate signed in triplicate or some stupid shit.

>>29594359
Word, Brother.

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>>29594206

Everyone has to take a stab at it.

>>29594339
when it comes to the new testament, yes. skeptics are generally unfair on the gospels.

when it comes to exodus, any proof at all would be more than we have now.

>>29594268

Ah, right, sorry, let me amend that statement.

There is little evidence accepted to suggest that Exodus actually happened historically.

>>29594409
That's rude Ultros, cutting in like that

>>29594396
People who do this are the worst.

>>29594409

Personally, I can't see the point

How do I like my Angels?

Medium rare.

>>29594442
I should pommel you for your lack of originality.

I'm personally a fan of the eldritch abomination angels where they have forms so inconceivable that if a mortal looked directly at it they would have their eyes burned out so they have to take a different form when interacting with mortals to avoid that.

I also like the idea of God being a title held by the strongest or wisest angel rather than a single being the entire time. That's why old testament God was batshit insane in comparison to the new testament one. He earned the title of God because he was the greatest creator amongst the angels but creation took a toll on his mind. One of his angels had to slay him and take the mantle of God after all the other angels saw that it would only be a matter of time before he does something irreversibly destructive.

That sounds like a fun premise for a game doesn't it? Have it set in the transition period between the old and new testament.Your party is a band of angels that have been tasked with defeating God and installing the angel that will become new testament God in his place. Though he may be going insane he is still a powerful creator angel so you will need all the help you can get. You will have to go through the many districts of heaven, hell, and even earth to gather the strength that you will need to bring him down. Mythical heroes, villains, and minor gods from many different countries exist in this setting.

>>29594383

Let me tell you, the last campaign I ran with an angelic/demonic bent? The PCs uncovered that little tidbit about angels being incomplete humans and devised a way to make them more complete than they were. They ran afoul of God, Lucifer, the angels, the demons, and it ended in a TPK that probably killed the world along with it.

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>>29594425
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exodus_egypt.php

http://www.dovidgottlieb.com/comments/Exodus.htm

In case you're interested in reading. In short, the account in Exodus 12:41 "At the end of the 430 years, to the very day, all the LORD's divisions left Egypt" is off by 1,000 years.

>>29594491
one step closer and I'll spear your guts to kingdom come

>>29594504
Kind of seems like a mix of Highlander and Mormon theology. I like it!

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>>29594514

Ah, thanks. I minored in Religious Studies in college, but almost my classes were focused around Christian theology and the history of the Church, so this stuff is pretty fascinating and new to me.

>>29594534
That's not a very nice way to greet people this late in the cleavening

>>29594534
Enough with all this saber rattling!

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>interesting debate on angels in judeo-christian mythology and different interpretations in game settings
>derailed by weapon puns

Dammit, /tg/.

>>29594557
lowly squire, do you even wield?

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>>29594547
>Christian theology and the history of the Church

Both very interesting topics. Unfortunately, trying to do any research on the web about anything related to the bible turns up a lot of gobbledygook (I can't believe Chrome thinks that's a word). It tests the patience to dig through the blogs and reddit posts to get to book reviews and journals.

>>29594594
might i still archive this on suptg or would it be frowned upon?

>>29594594
It can be disarming the first time you see it, but you get used to it.

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>>29594652

Go ahead if you'd like, it's not a quest thread, so I wouldn't worry too much about people hating it on there.

>>29594647
Objective pieces of history detailing those things is pretty much entirely nonexistent.

I don't think I've ever read one that wasn't. (One way or the other)

>>>/d/5248606

>>29594696
>Objective pieces of history detailing those things

Do you mean written details from the time of the event or historical research done years later?

>>29593732

Considering that after the resurection of the dead and the day of judgement mankind will become something even greater than angels (Jesus' own words) it stands to reason the more human looking an Angel the more glorious it is. After all Man is made in God's image, not the angels and God dwelt on earth as a man.

A lack of perspective leads us to assume that Angels are great and terrible creatures when the reverse is more likely and we are unaccountably magnificent to the spirits.

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>>29593812
They really dropped the ball in not making the first game a four-player dungeon crawl/beat-'em-up where each player plays a different horseman. Famine all day, erry day!

As for my angels, I prefer them morally bankrupt due to a lack of free will.

>>29594730
when theologians said that angels were sexless, i think they had more of a ken doll look in mind

>>29594692
vote:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

>>29594732
Historical research.

The amount of omissions and 'glossing over' in every work I've read is just obnoxious.

>>29594788

>Angels
>morally bankrupt

It is improbable that angels that lack free will won't have God's Commandments programmed into them as a baseline.

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>>29588616
Sexy

>>29594847
Oh look, more wings to molest

>>29594753

Huh, never thought of it that way before. That's interesting.

>>29594836
yeah, I've always thought that angels by definition are spiritual robots, following certain parameters and algorithms

Most descriptions in classical literatures pegs/classifies them by role they have

>>29594836
Read "The Mysterious Stranger" by Mark Twain (who considered the concept of God to be morally bankrupt)

>>29594753
I was referring specifically to traditional Catholic angelic hierarchy. The lowest in the hierarchy were the angels and archangels, who looked like men with wings. The higher ranking angels took on stranger forms (wheel within wheel, six wings, four heads, etc)

Though until the day of judgement, humanity's place is still "a little lower than the angels" (psalm 8:5). A spirit's perspective on Man, that would be interesting.

>>29594788
There was no Famine in Darksiders, the Horsemen were War, Death, Strife, and Fury I believe. I think THQ said they replaced famine because they couldn't think of a way to make famine have interesting looking combat powers in a character action game.

>>29594836
>implying the big guy doesn't need cities razed or shit blown up occasionally

>missver consecrated
Exactly, captcha

>>29594834
Are you reading academic journals or popular works?

>>29594540
Think it would be cool if the gods from other religions were also just powerful angels that still had to answer to the angel bearing the title of God or would that rustle some jimmies?

I kind of like the idea of some kind of divine bureaucracy that was implemented by the new God to give humanity a chance to sort its own shit out without the help of the angels. The modern age only seems so normal because regulations are too strict to allow for the crazy miracles of the old age.

>>29594895
>Tapeworm whips
>summons locust swarms
>Eats enemies to regain health and mana

Man it seems pretty easy to come up with stuff if you ask me

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>>29594753
So angels are basically Frieza?

>>29594916
A smattering of both. Never has been a subject I've focused on. Just a book here and there.

I generally prefer 'BC' history.

>>29594922
>Think it would be cool if the gods from other religions were also just powerful angels that still had to answer to the angel bearing the title of God or would that rustle some jimmies?

Funnily enough, that would fit within the biblical timeline, fallen angels carving out petty kingdoms for themselves on Earth. Everything is gonna rustle someone's jimmies. I say damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

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>>29594976
Omissions and glossings-over can be frustrating, especially trying to find another work to fill in the knowledge gap that was left out of the work you just finished reading when you're not entirely sure what you're looking for.

>>29594983
Plus one of the commandments even implies the existence of other "lesser" gods.

>>29593279
It's from the dawn of time! Cosmetic Science has gone far since then.

>>29595025
Yeah it is really annoying. I know that purely objective history is pretty much impossible, but sometimes they aren't even trying to be close to fair.

What I'd give to actually see those events...

>>29595099
Depends on what your definition of "fair" is. If you start from the standpoint that all that exists is the natural realm (ie, nothing transcending the natural realm exists), then any account that gave credence to many of the events in the bible you would have to reject by default.

>What I'd give to actually see those events...
If they start selling tickets to them, I'll go halfsies with you.

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>>29594730
I approve of this.

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It's funny, I am by far the most 'le edgy fedora tipper XD' of the people I know and yet I always make my angels as good as possible, and God as well.

In my setting, God is actually real. He exemplifies light, truth, justice, etc. He doesn't hate gays and forgives people, he doesn't damn people to hell (everyone who dies just 'passes on' unless they become a ghost, nobody knows what happens after) and all of his angels are similar.

The angels are just humans who fought/believed strongly in god and serve him in death, until they are ready to pass on. They generally can only take the form of animals or objects. So a young child gets lost in the woods? Suddenly a pure white dove will appear and guide him out. That's an angel, and an act of God, a minor one at that.

Around churches/people who believe more, Angels can appear as actual winged humans with flaming swords and all that jazz. They are extremely strong.

The only edgy thing about it all is that God is a thoughtform created from years upon years upon millions upon millions of people who believed him in. The cosmology is based heavily on Unknown Armies and as such Humans are the driving force of creation, not God or gods. He is still however a powerful and good being with the best intentions that will never let evil triumph over good if he can help it.

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>>29594096
The island were the guy who wrote Revelation (John wasn't it?) has psychoactive mushrooms growing naturally.

>>29595211

You haven't been reading the Lucifer comic series from Vertigo, have you?

If not, you really should.

>>29588616
Like the monstrosities they're supposed to be, not fucking people with wings.

>>29595200
Mostly I'd rather they gave both sides of the evidence and completely avoid the 'drawing a conclusion' part.

It seems that most books I've read on histortical subjects have been 95% conclusion and 5% evidence.

>>29595232

It's credited to the Apostle John, but it's also thought to have been written around AD 100, so that John would've been really unfeasibly old at the time if that was true.

A lot of apocalypse narratives have famous historical names tacked on to lend more credibility to them, even if they were written by different people. There's some attributed to Isaiah, Abraham, numerous ones for Paul and Peter, and so on.

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>>29594983
Then after the new God installed have a time skip where the party takes place in the final battle that seems to happen in most religions. The God that the party installed is assassinated and all hell breaks loose in the resulting power struggle amongst all the angels. Many of the angels were tired of holding back their powers for the sake of humanity maturing and seek to become God to do away with the bureaucratic system and bring back the mythic age while others support letting the humans do as they please and advance on their own. Some are simply tired of the world in general and would like to wipe it out and start over.

You can team up with legendary gods and heroes from around the world in an attempt to bring about the ideal reality. Will you fight bring back the mythical days of old, preserve humanity, or perhaps something else?

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>>29588616
I like my angels to be worn, ragged, and yet willing to do what must be done. Even if it is fly into hell.

>>29593794
God, I want to play a campaign in Innastrad

>>29595268
>It seems that most books I've read on histortical subjects have been 95% conclusion and 5% evidence.

That's history, unfortunately. Studying ancient history is basically playing detective and making an inference to the best explanation.

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>>29595294

I still find it funny that they based his appearance on John Constantine.

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Does fallen count?

>>29595294
Is that show actually good? I've seen some clips and I like how they always sound so over dramatic.

>>29595273
> AD 100

Doubtful. Revelations was very likely written before 67 AD. Jews at the time had a habit of writing about current events and the Roman war against the Jews that happened then made no appearance.

http://mikeblume.com/revdate.htm

>>29595437

It's great, but the CW has kept it alive far long than it should, and I stopped watching about about season 5.

I would start watching through it if you've got time to pick up a new show, but don't feel pressured to power through EVERY episode. When it's good, it's REALLY good, but when it's bad, it's crap.

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>>29588616
http://www.scp-wiki.net/dr-clef-s-proposal
>"Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden. He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
- Genesis 3:24

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With amazing voice casting.

>>29595508

Revelation (no 's' at the end, man) wasn't the only apocalypse narrative written in the early Christian church, and there are several extant ones we have that were written specifically for Jewish audiences that appeared around the time of the Jewish diaspora when the community was traumatized and a work of apocalyptic literature like that to reassure the faithful of God's plan for them would naturally come about.

I've always heard it dated to 100AD though, that's interesting that he puts it earlier.

>>29594891

>catholic

Well there's your problem.

>>29594891
I thought that Archangels circumvented the hiearchy, and were at the top?

>>29595599

Pardon?

>>29595646

Archangels are specifically venerated on the same level as saints (Michael, Gabriel and Raphael), so they get special status. They still acted as messengers and guides to humans on earth, which sets them apart from angels who are constantly in the presence of God's glory in heaven.

>>29595708
So they were basically just glorified errand boys?

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>>29595599
>Pic related

Catholicism has the benefit of being absolutely clear on almost all of their theology and related subjects and being consistent over time. When it comes to angels and demons, it seems wise to default to Catholic understanding on the matter.

>>29595646
Depends on who you talk to. Wheel-within-wheel-with-eyes or flaming swords and wings; either way, I'm gonna need a fresh pair of skibbies if I see one.

>>29595723

Actually I was mistaken "archangels" can include other hierarchies of angels. Quoting here:

>"Archangels are generally taken to mean "chief or leading angel" ( Jude 9; 1 Thes 4:16), they are the most frequently mentioned throughout the Bible. They may be of this or other hierarchies as St. Michael Archangel, who is a princely Seraph."

http://www.catholic.org/saints/angels/angelchoir.php

>>29595797

Raphael is also apparently hot shit, as he describes himself in Tobit:

> "I am the Angel Raphael, one of the seven who stand before the throne of God." (Tb 12:15)

>>29595752
>Seeing the form of an angel
I'd imagine that it would cause similar SAN loss to interacting with a Cosmic Horror.

>>29595543
One of my favorite bits in Good Omens is the one corrected bit from Aziraphale.
Don't remember the exact bit but it's like
>And then the Lord God walked out of eden to look upon the earth
>And then he turned to the Cherubim that he had set to guard there with a flaming sword that turned every which way
>And said unto him "...Where is the flaming sword that was given unto thee?"
>And the angel spoke saying "Er... well... you see... Uh..."
>"They just looked really cold, see, and it's not like it's a temperate zone, and they're wearing fig leaves, so, uh..."

>>29595858
>Implying they're two different things

>>29595858
"DO NOT BE AFRA-- Again, really? Raph, why the hell do these meatsacks' eyes keep melting out of their skulls every time we want to tell them something important?"

>>29595858

Which is why most of the time they appear in human form when talking with humans.

Unless you're on an apocalyptic acid trip like John or Ezekiel, because those tend to involve the fragile curtains of reality as we perceive it to be drawn back to reveal cosmic truths. ("Apocalypse" is a Greek word that itself means "unveiling")

>>29595921
"We went through five Adams before we figured that one out."

>>29595923
>("Apocalypse" is a Greek word that itself means "unveiling")

No it isn't.

It means "spend all of your money on giant plastic and resin toys you'll only use once a year, if that." A Games Workshop employee told me that.

>>29594983

To be fair most religions have some way to explaining other religions within their own context, so I doubt anyone would really get too rustled over that.

>>29594045
Seconding this shit

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>>29588616
Pretending to be human.

Metatron kills Dumbledore.

>>29596201
see >>29594730

>>29596621
I missed that...

>>29595291
So basically the plot of dominions with the players choosing who they want to back? Sounds legit.

>>29592354
Is that a flying baby servitor? wtf

>>29596956
Yeah, they're called cherub servitors or something like that, old school Imperial 40K.

>>29595291
Man, the general design here is one of the best takes I've seen on the cherub description, but the dark coloration doesn't really do it for me. If there were a shinier version I would be all over that.

>>29595581
The 95 AD date is mainly based on testimony of writers from around that time, claiming to report the words of witnesses who personally knew John.

And at any rate, it isn't entirely out of the question. Estimates of his birth peg him at somewhere around 10 AD, give or take 5 years or so. With Revelation believed to have been written somewhere around 95 AD, that would put John somewhere in his 80s at the time -- an impressive age to be sure, but not totally implausible.

I like my angels as incomprehensible monstrosities, raw concentrations of divine power in seemingly impossible configurations. Wheels within wheels, purple fireballs covered in eyes, four-faced yet single-headed Thrones enshrined in the glory of their gods, terrible to look upon, blinding to the weak of soul, and always, always beyond mankind's comprehension. They can take human form and seem normal enough, but in their true form they never speak clearly if at all. Everything is portents and proverbs and prophecies, and their sense of time is nonlinear.

They should be horrible forces of nature that mortals only conceptualize as mythic imagery. If an angel comes to fuck your shit up, your shit will be fucked up.

>>29594396
It's not that he never existed, it's that the Biblical Jesus was probably several people.

I prefer my angels without normal human faces. Ideally faceless in some manner -- either lacking a face entirely, or just having their face covered/obscured -- but having very nonhuman faces (or, as is the case with cherubim, one human face along with several nonhuman) is acceptable too.
But for some reason, having a perfectly normal human face just ruins it for me.

This is why Zendikar angels are pretty much my favorite among MtG angels -- they cover their faces (albeit partially) with their halos.

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Benevolent mixed with a gread deal of chivalry, when possible.

>>29597504
There are literally zero scholars or historians who think that.

>>29593554
touch the fluffy wings

Also, lewd and virgins (to start out at least)

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I like them domestic

I like angels that walk among men, appearing perfectly ordinary and friendly, and helping out in subtle ways where they can.

If they had to reveal their power, I'd envision them as humanoid beings of light.

>>29595561
Fuck Yes.

>>29595561
Fucking Grigori. You are the classiest dragon.

>>29597687
Nice functioning libido you got there.

>>29597944
what do you mean?

>>29597944

He enjoy the NTR

>>29598201
what NTR?

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>>29598285
IN SONG FORM.

>>29598443
I know what netorare is
I am asking what NTR is he imagining from me posting belldandy as an example angel?

Does he think I want her specifically and to NTR her boyfriend K1?
Does he refer to the fact that 99% of porn featuring her is vile NTR because she is such a pure character who would never ever do that?

I am trying to figure out what he is trying to say in those 2 word posts of his.