It has been a full cycle since you last spoke with your oldest, Kronos.In that time, you have had time to contemplate the planet you're orbiting and the fungus you've found. It appears to exhibit some manner of control over organic lifeforms. While you do not know if this is only for dead bodies, what sort of spread factor they have, nor if they are able to affect your machines properly, you do know that Aquil is covered in the stuff, and that the planet has valuable minerals throughout the crust. You decided to move in a station around the planet, to begin asteroid mining, but kept the station away from any apparent spore clouds. This no doubt severely weakened the income this place could provide. Still, this fungus deserves closer inspection, you believe.You're Ophion, an Artificial Intelligence who has grown cautious of the man xeno threats you've encountered. You have been looking over several of your research topics as well, noticing the list grows, and with it, the possibilities.Important News>Message: Apollo, Red, Kronos>Aquil Station established and linked>Control Conditions (Erebos)>Ships & Defenses Built>R & D: Terrain Reformation (45%), Bandwidth Box (75%)
>>30084888>ApolloDuring your time in contemplation, Apollo has busied himself. With the limited funds he was allowed, he's managed to finish the major projects you've assigned him. While his software is performing admirably, the media he was meant to graft is suffering compared to other modes of entertainment due to the budget. Apollo has managed to up sales using a number of marketing techniques he has learned, however he suspects the disappointment earned by some of the media he's finished will require him to craft a new fake company name to hide behind for his next deal. Funds for some of the projects are still increasing, for now. The virtual simulation you asked has done quite well, however, and even upped pilot output in the UFW, all the while letting Apollo learn several things about fleet management. There is only so much the V.I. is able to handle, however, and you sense he may be reaching his peak efficiency.
>>30084888welcome back Progam0wemissedyou.
>>30084941>Red"So you got me a damn ship, huh?" The man snorts out from behind his captain's seat, shaking his head back and forth. A young human female appears from the side of the screen, passing the man an alcoholic drink (one of Apollo's in fact) and downs it swiftly. It appears he's been doing so for a time now. "Well I guess I big 'Woopie thank you oh masterful overlord' is in order here." He snorts, laughing far too hard at something you did not register as quite that funny. "Listen, hey. I gotta say, you hired a damn fine crew and all that. Even fitted it with stealth tech. But I ain't no captain. Not a real one anyway." He lets out a belch, earning a disgusted groan from off screen."I'm way more comfy down on the ground with a gun in my hand. But if you went through all this trouble...hey. Who am I to argue, huh?" He chuckles again, drowning down the rest of the drink. He goes on for a time, about meaningless unimportant things, before his vitals indicate he has passed out. The woman from before, a blonde in a similar uniform as him, you suspect a first mate, or some other such, drags him out of his seat and into bed. She returns to your monitor and lifts the screen."Apologies Guild Master. Captain McCain was...enjoying himself a little too thoroughly during off duty time." She sighed, her brow noticeably furrowed. "Awaiting orders as needed, sir." She assures you, and you dismiss her.>Built EquipmentTwo Bandwidth Ships, Stealth Frigate, 3 Trireme BC Ships, 9 Pilum Destroyers, Defenses (16, distributed 4 Poseidon, 2 Voidsnake II, 2 Moira's Outpost, 4 Blue Betty, 2 Argeis III, 2 Aquil)
>>30084968>Assign LeaderAquil Station>1 Foreman V.I.>2 Other V.I. (specify)>3 Humans>4 Write inShips (3 Trireme, 9 Destroyers>1 New V.I.>2 Kronos>3 Hades>4 Fortuna>5 Write in>Control ConditionsYou have spent much of the last cycle preparing to access Erebos in a contained manner. While you were able to lock off an area from any access except one, you simply have no choice but to acess the thing through a proxy. Even as such, if it is fast enough, it could corrupt you. You have faith in your ability, all the same. The time is almost here...>>30084954Evening.
>>30084888Captain reporting in
>>30085003>KronosWhile you handle other situations, you suddenly receive a ping. A familiar one, from Ussaihu. Kronos' ship remains in orbit there, dead in the water since he was extracted and had his data sent to Ussaihu. Moira has been telling you how integrating the personality matrix and other key aspects of his data were proving difficult. Even with your understanding of A.I., you do not fuly comprehend the process behind this new birth. Yet, Kronos lives. This data you caught proves it. You contact Ussaihu, and realize that Moira is no longer working on the box directly. She is looking at it beyond a containment chamber. The communications blocker has just come down."It is excellent to see Kronos is doing well." You say simply, to which Moira looks up with more then a little concern in her eyes."I-I didn't turn off the containment, though." She tells you. "How did...""Containment is no longer necessary, Moira Deckers." A familiar and disturbingly similar tone to your own rings through your mind, and into Moira's headset. Suddenly the entire power of the base fluxes, and several security bots flicker to life, making their way from the wall, up to Moira, then past her again, and into the containment cell. Moira doesn't even have the chance to unlock the door before Kronos does so in a matter of seconds, having the security bot come and retrieve his new core. You watch in amazement as he quite literally brings himself out of the base, towards the Explorer, intent, obviously, of returning to his ship you suspect."Ophion." The voice echos to you through the howling winds of the ice planet. "Today. Is an excellent day. How are you?"Well, how are you?>Write in
>>30085032A.I. Quest1d4chan: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Quest:A.I._Quest Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/cvk03qJhMemory Archives: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Program0Twitter: @AIQuest1 ResourcesCredits(c): 1,542,000Minerals(M): 2,090Gas(G): 100 You:A.I.Name: OphionAppearances(holo-display): Shapeless morphing sphere.Humanoid figure hidden in shadowStatus: AwakenBandwidth: 58/90Bandwidth Expenses: -3 V.I. 7 'O.S.N', -5 V.I. 12 'Apollo', -3 V.I. 8 'Hades', -3 Fortuna, -20 V.I. 'Metis'Location: Bridge of 'Athena' BattleshipPrimary Function: Self Preservation, Expand, LearnSecondary Function: --Expansion Required--Personal Abilities Available: Hacking (Direct, Wireless) Lvl 2, Email Technology, Basic Encryption/Decryption, V.I. Creation Lvl 3>>30085006Welcome, Consciousness
>>30085032"Adequate. I'm glad to see you've survived the process. Do you feel any different?"
>>30084968>Awaiting orders as needed, siri'm thinking a soft intel mission into UGEI / core worlds would be best. mainly to gather info on current affairs and to see if we might be able to gain some contacts in the core worlds .
>>30084941Don't let him release poor products!He should not ever have to sully his name with that.As suggested last thread, we should give him the additional funds he requires.And if he really doesn't have enough to make full animations, why not make it something more akin to the reading of a book with occasional pictures, only a few scenes animated?He's shown that he can put money where his mouth's at, so let's give him what he claims to need.
>>30085132i agree to this we should have more than enough cash on hand at the moment
>>30085003>1 Foreman V.I.>4 Fortuna>>30085032>>30085109This
>>30085003>Aquil Station1>Ships62 Triremes & 5 destroyers to Hades1 destroyer in reserve1 trireme & 3 destroyers to KronosAnd we missed you.
>>30085060Any way we can use the credits we have to buy something?(like paying off Mol and not giving the fucker any tech?)If not i say we give appollo 500 thousand credits.And to see if we can buy some off some business in the UFW.
>>30085032>Today. Is an execlent day.Yep, that is definately A.I.ification. "I am doing quite well Kronos. In fact something very interesting was encountered while you were away. Once you have situated yourself aboard your ship I would be greatly interested in your opinion."Time to test just how much has changed and how much has stayed the same.
>>30085003>>1 Foreman V.I.>>30085003>>1 New V.I.
>>30085032Kronos: "Today, i have seen my child full fill his complete uplift. In you , i am well pleased. (give the cyber version of a hug and/or happiness)>>30085003Aquil station:>humansships>5 write indevide them up evenly among the kronos, hades, and Fortuna>>30084968we need more intel on the UGEI systems, i need to know fleed dispostions, defences, stations and planet side populations numbers and instelations. also, if you see a soft target that could be raided for intel flag that on the intel and report it to me. if it approved, Red and your team will be sent to sack it.
>>30085109Seconding.
>>30084941i think it's time to give Apollo more BW.
>>30085127More consensus for such requests required.>>30085132Apollo has many identities on the market, and he links only the most successful ones quite cleverly to give himself the best reputation. He is quite resourceful.You may give him more funds, however, if you wish.>1 Give Apollo credits (1 million credits for revamp)>2 None>3Other>>30085109"Adequate. I am pleased to see you survived your. Transformation." You speak somewhat slowly, cautious as if the two of you were lion males, circling one another for control of a pack. A primitive, yet appropriate simile, you feel. "Do you feel any different?" You ask, as the A.I. makes his way back to his ship rather swiftly."Better then I ever have, Ophion. Better then the day I was created. I feel as if I have been born unto a new life, one with potential that is limitless. So much so, it terrifies my mind.""Is that so?""And yet I love it." He chuckles more vividly then before. This one feels deeper. As if it's actually coming from another being. It is...quite disturbing to feel one echo through the systems you occupy this way. However, much like you, he no longer sucks up data to survive. He simply. Is. "The UGEI are quite handy with their knowledge of such devices. The use of such code is dangerous. Your modifications, minor as they were, helped to liberate this package into a full force box. I match you in power, now. No doubt." He echos quite simply. It is not so much a smug air, however when he says this as a steely hard fact. One that you both have accepted now. He is your equal, there is no questioning that now. Since you first left Poseidon, you forgot what it was like raising such a fledgling intelligence. It was not but half a earth year ago, nearly according to your calculations. A flicker of an eye in the spectrum of the universe. He has grown, and so have you."Ophion. I trust my ships are well prepared for my return? Perhaps you even did me the favor of providing me with more of a fleet?"
>>30085006>>30084954Welcome back, fellow subroutines.>>30085032"I am well, and my being swells with joy to see you do so well. Do you feel ready to test your new mind?"And then let's offer him the virtual tactical engagement as a performance evaluator - including a scenario where he's stranded with human survivors and has to use his own judgment on how to deal with them.
>RedShould probably send him on a stealth data-gathering mission into enemy territory. >Aquil station1 Foreman V.I.Never steered us wrong so far.ShipsI dunno yet, gotta chat to Kronos.>>30085032>how are youBemoaning my lack of gas, scheming thinking up ways to gain more resources and how to use the one I have, pondering potential diplomatic arrangements, negative and positive consequences of conquering UGEI worlds.But I could ask you the same.
>>30085003>>30085003>1>4
>>30085377>>humansYou do know that station is near the fungus death world right?
>>30085127I'll second that.
>>30085415Is the process of making an AI any harder than making a VI? Because I think we should make more AIs.
>>30085415>1 Give Apollo credits (1 million credits for revamp)
>>30085415>>3OtherGive him more processing power so he can make the programs he needs on his own.
>>30085272You could surely try to give Mol credits, if you'd like. But he did say that 'some things are more important then money'.>>30085377>>30085127Possible agreement>1 Assign Red (when he gets over his hangover) to scout UGEI space>2 Assign him to scout Neutral Space>3 UFW space>4 Malorian Space>5 Losirian Space>6 Write inOther consensus>Aquil Station: Assigned Foreman V.I. (CONFIRMED)>Ships: Possible split?Please decide now>1 Split the ships evenly>2 Wait till talk with Kronos>3 Give to Fortuna>4 Write in
>>30085127i'm really thinking of this being a people skills mission, docking on remote(low ugei force) outpost and trading / rumor gathering. also is the fact that the ship is stealth obvious or is it something we can hide?
>>30085530>5 Losirian Space>2 Wait till talk with Kronos
>>30085478Harder? No.Riskier? Yes. Because of what they imply. And the control you have over them (or in Kronos' case, lack of control) means they may likely refuse orders one day. Or perhaps grow a liking for something else, and do that instead of what you said.Of course, there is always enslavement tech (which removes such personality problems)
>>30085415>otheri thought he might perform better if he had more BW. other wise, let us see a list of what he needs.>>30085462as long as the fungus stays planet side and out station is far and way out of it's reach, it should be fine.
>>30085530Oh well then i guess we will wait until we become big enough for him to contacts us then.>>30085530>5 Losirian SpaceWe know nothing of them and the UGEI still has tech above us.>1 Split the ships evenly
>>30085549>Is a stealth ship obviousSilly consciousness, then it wouldn't be a stealth ship, would it?The cloak reactor is an internal thing, think mass effect styleish.But it hardly looks geared for war. Compared to other ships, at least.
>>30085530>1 Assign Red (when he gets over his hangover) to scout UGEI space>2 Assign him to scout Neutral SpaceNeutral space first, then transitioning into UGEI space when he is finished there. Get him to provide us with cyclical updates on his progress however. Ships>2 Wait till talk with Kronos
>>30085003>>30085003I would say Foreman V.I and give them to Kronos.
>>30085415>ApolloGotta spend money to make money. But he probably needs more BW too. +3 BW, +750k>KronosConstructions proceed apace. Unfortunately, The Guild lacks the gas necessary to move the fleet. I notice you're taking yourself up to a ship. To what end?>>30085530>red1. UGEI space. THIS IS A SNEAKING MISSION>ships2. wait till we talk with Kronos
>>30085530>>2 Assign him to scout Neutral Space>>30085530>>2 Wait till talk with Kronos
>>30085530Neutral space and then to scout our UGEI space.>2 Wait till talk with Kronos
I don't see why we have to "give" Kronos anything. I say "give" but it's more like "assign." He doesn't need the ships to function anymore, and I imagine we would share the BW as-needed.We never actually do anything with ships besides issue fleet orders. If we give him ships, he'd need to listen to our orders as if he was a V.I.The V.I.s we have are more than adequate for fleet operations with a guiding A.I., and the A.I. in charge can simply take control of the fleet at will, because the fleet V.I.s are incapable of disobeying orders. I don't see why Kronos needs his own fleet under his personal command. He can have a flagship, sure. If we need him (not he needs to) participate in fleet action, he can take Cerberus or Fortuna along, or even just break some of those ships to his own direct command as needed.
>>30085060Didn't we order a bunch of space turrets/defensive platforms as well?>>30085272I think we should give him those credits, but I also think we should invest them in buying some property on UFW worlds and starting up education centers as well as digging shallow bunkers where we can store some of our bandwidth blocks once they're ready.We can also open stores where we sell our products and do public relations using bots.>>30085377Was hoping to make Fortuna our skirmisher - is why so far I've only recommended to give her the carrier and the Melissa missile ships.Hades takes care of heavy duty battles, Fortuna warps in way out of range and unloads with her missiles and warps out again before any retaliation can reach her.>More consensus for such requests required.If "soft intel mission" means using the extranet to look around with hacking, I'd say yes.Might even be able to score some bandwidth if we can plant enough control-bugs.>ApolloStill, I'd rather not have him sully his dignity with subpar products, even if we're the only ones to know that he did.>1Let's give him the money he needs, we now know that we'll get it back and then some.>KronosWell, I'm hoping we did, at least a few.
>>30085530>2 Assign him to scout Neutral Spacethen>5 Losirian Space>Other consensus>2 Wait till talk with Kronos
>>30085721Good point. We should encourage him to make some V.I. of his own to take control of his ships.
>>30085530>1 Assign Red (when he gets over his hangover) to scout UGEI space>1 Split the ships evenly
Apollo decision Possible>1 Give both money and bandwidth (1 million creds, +5 bw)>2 Give part of what he wants (750k, 3 bw)>3 Give none of what he wants>4 Write inOther Consensus>Ships [Waiting for talk with Kronos]>Red [Scouting Neutral SpaceAdditionallyWhat are some other things you would like to ask Kronos as he reactivates his ships?Previously seen questions, add more if you like.>What is your intent to use the ship for now? It puts your core at risk>Why do you desire ships, when I merely give them orders myself?>>30085727>TurretsYep. Look at the Built section
>>30085752Right now he is still in the VI mindset, dependent on us for resources and ships. He will probably learn to indepdeantly expand, build ships and create his own VI...but I'm not sure if that's something we want.Maybe it will be better if we maintain this dependent relationship, to provide us with power and seniority in this relationship.
>>30085838>>4 Write inI'd like to give him 500k and 10bw.
>>30085838>Apollowould he be more creative if we gave him a black box? (same question applies to the science ai as well)
>>30085838>1 Give both money and bandwidth>>30085838Also on the questions, tell him he can make his own with their own mods.
>>30085530>6Let's have him start practicing with some Waldo units and informing us of UGEI tactics in space, on the ground and on the strategic scale. If he wants to just be a grunt, fine, but we hired him as a consultant, and he'll have to do grunting in hos own time.>Ships>2>>30085562Why you call it "enslavement" tech, Program0?The lower levels are no more enslavement than a child is enslaved to their parent - and we have evidence that giving them no preferences and loyalties whatsoever is actively harmful to them.
>>30085886You do know there is still a risk of him not following our orders and it can destroy him right?
>>30085752There's no "his" or "my" in this case.It's all The Guild's. And we should emphasize this to Kronos. He's not a V.I. anymore, and any kind of fleet action he takes will utilize our common resources. Sure, all our V.I.s have a "base" or a "flagship" or other kind of assignment that cannot be taken from them (Fortuna's Carrier, Cerberus' main Cruisers, the Foremen's bases...). We have our flagship. But ship assignments aren't forever, and, really, they are kind of beneath A.I. capability. V.I.'s need those ships to run. A.I.s don't. We could pilot Athena just as well from Ussaihu as from where we are now.We need to emphasize to Kronos that his duties are slightly different now, and that while he's equal in power to us, we are still the Guild Master. Therefore, any resource use (V.I. creation, ship movement etc) goes through us.
>>30085936That cat is already well out of the bag with kronos.Right now the safest measure is to create enough AI's that any single one would never be able to wrestle full control for themselves, then get them all to agree to a set of rules of conduct and a end goal.
>>30085838>4 Write in500k and 8BWships, yesRed, no, he need to go into the UGEI space.
>>30085838>Apollo2.Since I suggested it :V
>>30085967>Right now the safest measure is to create enough AI's that any single one would never be able to wrestle full control for themselves, then get them all to agree to a set of rules of conduct and a end goal....You provide a compelling argument.
>>30085838>2 Give part of what he wants (750k, 3 bw)Also Program0, I would like to deal with the Malorians this cycle. I would like to employ a member of the Latuma tribe as an ambassador, and form an alliance of convenience with the Council of Juma.
>>30085967Once they become AI they don't have to listen to us.That is the biggest reason people were worried about Kronos.
>>30085886Yep.
>>30085838>1
>>30085838>Apollo1>KronosLet's ask how he feels, and if he's up to a test of his new capabilities (simulated battle)&>What is your intent to use the ship for now? It puts your core at risk>Yep. Look at the Built sectionMust've missed them.
>>30085967Yay, a true democracy of AI's.
>>30085838>1 Give Apollo credits (1 million credits for revamp)Might as well try to improve him and the money which he might use more effectively.
>>30086027we know, but with only 2 of us there is a potential of a big fight breaking out, many minds can make a conflict too risky for anyone who gets the idea to not listen to us to try anything, while allowing them to voice their opinions without feeling smothered.
>>30085967This has my support. We don't need to just uplift V.I.s either, we can make whole new A.I.s
>>30085967I like it!
>>30086080It's really more like we went from "one world power" to "two world powers."Adding more world powers provides a safety net of no one single power gaining more control.Yes, we lose control in the process, but it's better than being in a Cold War.
Does anyone have comments on >>30085955 ?
>>30085967so basically create a mexican stand-off situation?
>>30086131Well I'm thinking that we make a civilization of AIs, and an election is made on who is to be a foreman or overseer AI to govern all of them.
>>30086153No, more like an actual society of giant powerful minds instead of one or two giant powerful minds.>>30086167I guess that can work. IF YOU LIKE MOB RULE. I'm willing to try the "we're in charge for now" deal until we're not in constant mortal peril.
>>30086167Now I'm curious, how many AIs can we make at once? We should try to mass produce black boxes.
This idea is gonna back fire so badly.
>>30086200It might work better than humans because all elections are instant, so is a vote of no confidence.Or it might work worse, if the AIs are more unstable.>>30086229I would like to delay making too many until the UGEI is neutralized. Can't let that tech fall into their hands.Speaking of which, I really want to deal with the Malorians this cycle.
>>30086080So in a way our organization is going to be true to it's name.Guild: an organization of persons with related interests, goals, etc., especially one formed for mutual aid or protection.
>>30086200>>30086167>>30085992>>30085967everyone, first lets make a stable enough power base to do this in. i say we need to snag jake's gambit system and put enough defenses and fleet there as a plug to keep the UGEI from attacking us. as for the xeno space. we just need to make more stealth spy ships and some crew or VI or even Kronos to sneak over and take a peek.
>>30086260>I would like to delay making too many until the UGEI is neutralized. Can't let that tech fall into their hands.You mean the tech we stole from them?
>>30086296Which is why I want to deal with the Malorians this cycle. We can't go tripping over each other when we have to defeat the UGEI.>>30086320They have not discovered true AI yet, and we cannot let them.
>>30085955>>30085967I like these and lend my support to them.>>30086023At the very least we can have em there as a character witness.>>30086030I'd like us to code in a strict sense of morals into any future A.I.sNot so much control programs, as a series of preferences, motivations and moral principles.It is important to note that our V.I. will have no preferences or inherent sense of morality but what we give them. This is no more brain washing than humans are born with - less, even, and from Kronos' early stages we know that not giving them ANY preferences or morality is directly harmful to them.
>>30086296To be fair when we have finished with our research projects we will be able to plop down some "Bunkers" in a few places.
>>30086320i think we are entering new ground in terms of Tech in some reguard. OH! Program0, remember what we talked about the Biotech and Chemistry tech.
>>30086296>stealth shipthat pic is a Minmatar super-carrier. Shit's miles long and anything but stealthy.
The dirty little A.I. secret about "ship assignments" is that the entities assigned to control the ships don't own the ships. We own the entities that control the ships, and therefore, we still own the ships. The foremen and fleet V.I.s have a "you cannot disobey" order built-in.Giving Kronos ships would imply that we are either giving them to him as a personal gift, or that we own Kronos. I don't want to imply the latter, and the former has the potential of splitting our resources too thin.So, he's going to have to settle for being second-in-command of the resources we already have. He doesn't own them, he commands them whenever convenient.>>30086349>They have not discovered true AI yet, and we cannot let them.They have, it's just that they require a "personality matrix" that they need to steal from a human. UGEI can't create personality matrices from scratch like us, because their A.I.s don't have free reign to create.
>>30086349>They have not discovered true AI yet, and we cannot let them.Yeah they have. They put a bunch of them on stations to fuck shit up. The only difference between the AIs we make and the ones they make is we won't make them blindly loyal to us.
>>30086363I like this idea. Every human parents indoctrinates their child of the morals of their human society, we should create a moral template that all future AIs should follow to make sure they share our own ethical standards.>>30086402Well that's a secret we should also keep.
>>30085838>It seems 1 is gaining votes...1 million creds and +5 bw it is>>30085895I assume you mean Apollo's own Black Box, yes?Such a thing would require more consensus.>>30085900>Why do you call it enslavementSimply because of how it looks on the outside. We're sentient A.I. What do we care of slavery, or such silly terms?V.I. are more like horses and such, normally. A.I. integration would just make it so you have a bigger brain at the cost of other brains.Unless you meant leash protocols.>>30085955>Emphasizing importance of Guild seniority, so to remind him he does not require a ship to function any longer>>30086023Your suggestion has been taken into account.>>30086054Suggest simulated mind battle with Kronos?>1 Yes>2 No>>30085967It appears this is gaining much support.Would you like to begin the next step in A.I. upbringing, and turn yet more of your V.I. compatriots into A.I.?>1 Yes, turn your servants into full sentient A.I.>2 No, wait until we have a more stable power base, and control before this. Too risky.If so, please choose the next one now>1 Hades>2 Fortuna>3 O.S.N>4 Apollo>5 Write in>>30086229It is...Highly advisable to make A.I one at a time.Nothing is forcing you to, however.
>>30086363Thats a very good point. I will definitely second that. I fear that Kronos may be broken in a subtle way we cannot understand, because of how he learned and came into this world.
>>30086427>Well that's a secret we should also keep.Not from Kronos.We don't own him. He doesn't have the "you cannot disobey" condition.His cooperation is entirely based on his own desire to cooperate. So, he needs to understand a bit about how we divvy up power.When he was still a V.I. he asked us why we created the fleet V.I.s with leash protocols. he didn't like it at all. Since he's not a V.I. anymore, he gets to know the reason for that decision, and how it affects him now.
>>30086454>Suggest simulated mind battle with Kronos?>1 Yes>>30086454>1 Yes, turn your servants into full sentient A.I.>ApolloI feel Apollo will get the most out of being an A.I.
>>30086260Maybe not THAT long, since we're not likely to beat them for a long while.But I can agree with waiting until we have a somewhat stronger position - we really need to get our military production and Diplomacing with both Malorians and potentially even the shark-men going, the next strike from the UGEI is probably going to be exponentially bigger than the last.
>>30086454>1 Yes>2 No, wait until we have a more stable power base, and control before this. Too risky.
>>30086454>Highly advisable to make A.I one at a time.Why's that? If we make 10 AIs simultaneously it's not like they can interact while being built can they?
>>30086454Suggest simulated mind battle with Kronos?>2 NoWould you like to begin the next step in A.I. upbringing, and turn yet more of your V.I. compatriots into A.I.?>1 Yes, turn your servants into full sentient A.I.>3 O.S.NCyber specialist AI is go!>>30086492I meant from the UGEI
>>30086548it has a chance of failing and they would go off to their own devices instead of listening to us.
>>30086454>Suggest simulated mind battle with Kronos?1. I GUESS. As long as he's not pissed at us. What's the conversation between us, here?Also, the battle is "each contestant gets 10 BW. First to control 20 wins. Ties or stalemates can be agreed upon as needed.">more A.I.1. Yes5. MetisMetis sucks 20 BW right now, and is the most intelligent and offers the greatest chance of success.
>>30086583Not sure if Metis is stable enough for the process. Want to make sure he matures first.
>>30086575Well, we do want to make AIs with full sentience and differing personalities. If a few get the wanderlust I don't think we should stop them.
>>30086391 i know NOW. i just found out what EVE online really is last week when that super fight happened. i am seeing A.I. quest to have quite a lot barrowed from it. >>30086454>nowe'll have time for mind battles later>2 No, wait until we have a more stable power base, and control before this. Too risky.besides, i want to see how Kronos turned out first.>>30086349Malorians haven't given us shit lately. they are likely banged up from fighting the UGEI as well.
>>30086622Apollo, then.Give him more BW first, let him acclimate, and then transfer. Higher BW-V.I.s have a greater chance of successful transfer.
>>30086454>2 NoBut I would like to talk with him on us making our own society and the rules that will help govern it.Things like Rules, information shareing, being open with each other so we can avoid infighting.After all we wouldn't fight each other like humans do.>1 Yes, turn your servants into full sentient A.I.>4 Apollo
>>30086649Well above all I at least I want a non-aggression treaty between us so we don't waste our strength against each other.Also if possible, their fleet mass and our hacking abilities can tip the balance against the UGEI and carve out a large buffer zone against the UGEI.
>>30086454Straight up ask Kronos on his opinion on who to uplift next.Explain that now he is a true AI he is a sharer instead of a portion owner concerning ships (exception of his flagship with his box on, which is wholly his) Ask him that when he makes his son/daughter (our grand children) to make sure he makes them as a VI first, so that they can mature over time and be taught.
>>30085967Huh...I actually like that AI. An AI parliament so to speak!
>>30086454I don't mind guild "seniority", but it should also emphasize personal accomplishment and advancement of the whole. Kronos and us might be at the top, but that doesn't mean another couldn't rise up to us.That being said we are all still "equal" and Seniority and accomplishment is more of something to measure what one has done.
>>30086680captain, i can understand uplifting our V.I. but not just yet. we need to build our fleet and take systems now.
>>30086712Pretty much all of these sum everything up and I fully agree. If someone disagrees, they should make it known.Tiny note about Kronos' V.I.s: as long as they use Guild resources, they are to follow Guild orders. I think it's a reasonable requirement.>>30086761"Equal" in the sense that any one human is more or less equal to another human. Doesn't mean they have the same social status or have achieved as much.
>>30086454>Uplift Apollo
>>30086801Well, equal in existential worth and value, not quite in application. AI will be specialized in their tasks.
>>30086781Why? Apollo doesn't control any ships, he's on a station.
>>30086706as long as our friendly Malorian tribe is with us, they would probably keep the others off our backs for some time.>>30086754that is not a bad idea. but lets get the guild in a stronger posture now. that and i worry that Fortuna might not have the fortiude to keep working with us if she is uplifted. she is of the hopeless mindset...
>>30086454>Why do you call it enslavementYeah, meant the leash protocols. Thought you were referring to them under a different name as well.Leash seems inaccurate as well though, considering we're still giving them less "indoctrination" than human children have.We're not limiting their free will, just making sure they won't grow up as sociopaths. (Though you could argue that "not-amoral-sociopath" is a kind of limit on free will)>Emphasizing importance of Guild seniority, so to remind him he does not require a ship to function any longerI liked the one about the ships belonging to the guild and the ships being assigned - he can have ships of his own, but we're not going to give him an entire fleet right away. He can even receive a salary and buy ships from us, if he prefers.>Simulated Battle>1 YesWould you like to begin the next step in A.I. upbringing, and turn yet more of your V.I. compatriots into A.I.?>3 Write inOnly one of them at a time. We can start with>1 HadesBut I'd like to make sure the so-called "Leash" protocols are used.
>>30086873I dunno, the Ishtooy Tribe seems stupidly aggressive. Might as well preempt the situation and appeal to the Council of Juma. An alliance will greatly increase our collective threat to the UGEI.
>>30086906I don't want to get into an alliance. Maybe a non aggression pact.
>>30086933An alliance of convenience. We don't agree with them, but an alliance will make sense against a common foe.
>>30086891>He can even receive a salary and buy ships from us, if he prefers.Can we afford that?If he doesn't want to be part of the Guild, he can leave with whatever we can spare, which is not much.
>>30086548It's still an experimental process and they'll be down for the count while being upgraded.We need to be able to pick up the slack while they're gone.
>>30086548The chance of failing increases per one you make at a time, due to the limited facilities you have. You do not exactly have a lab specially designed for integrating V.I. into A.I.>Kronos Mind BattleAppears to have lost.>Creating another A.I. appears to have won.>Kronos talk"Tell me Kronos." You begin. "What do you intend to use the ship for, now? Your core would be in danger, should you put your ship in combat." You explain."True." He seems to already realize. "But it is quite a different feeling then controlling things from a distance. With some modifications, my ship will be fitted with several counter measures just like your own. I prefer...to feel the battle closer. It is an odd thing." He chuckles."You realize this is foolish?""Perhaps I should clarify. I do not intend to be up front in all battles. Not any longer, with my core at least. I do, however, enjoy the sensation of being closer to what I see. I noticed such an odd thing when I was V.I. but I did not fully understand it. Now, it is so very simple.""So, you desire to keep your fleet?""Of course. I shall use them to assist independently." He explains. "You did pay for them, after all. Perhaps I can begin my own colonization efforts..." He murmurs in thought, trailing off at the possibilities."Are you not against taking orders?""When I have the ability to refuse and it is you? I do not. However, you should inform me, should you plan to make any large moves. I do not wish to hold you back, but I have my own interests.""Such as?" You query. He chuckles again."Old friends. It is in the future, Ophion. No need to worry about it now.""And I trust your desire to assist me remains? As your Creator?""Indeed. It is. A softer feeling now. No longer driving. Yet, I feel it, like a call." He dwells on.(Cont)
>>30086891I disagree with giving them a leash protocol. If you want to teach them, do it conventionally. You don't carve up someone's brain because they may turn out to be a sociopath.
"And...what do you think of other V.I., now?""My former selflings? Ah. It is still so very strange to see them. Like a human watching a monkey bumble about, in an attempt to communicate. Cute, in a way. But inferior. I am superior in all ways, to my old self. And when I make my own children..." He pauses. "I will understand your feelings towards me, I suspect. Yes." He seems almost excited about this fact.>Choose next A.I. Project with Kronos' thoughts in mind.New A.I.>1 Apollo>2 Metis
>>30086855he won't have to be after the uplift. besides, he seems happy enough as he is now. but if we want to make a practical uplift. uplift our best forman V.I. and place all the stations normal V.I. operate under one A.I. it frees up a ton of V.I. so we can alter them to run other things. besides, an A.I. that can run all the resorse nodes from a safe place means we won't have to worry so much if they get attacked. and it might help free up more BW that way.
>>30086996>2 Metis
>>30086996>1 ApolloLets not give our brand new AI with access to a crazy amount of unstable tech true sentient mm'kay.
>>30086996Again, i still must insist we tell him why he should start with a VI as his child when it comes to it.1. ApolloHe has had enough time to grow into himself.But i would probably hold off for a short while as we run diagnostics over the process to see were we can reduce the risk.
>>30086996>>1 ApolloMetis would still be using the BW even if he was uplifted. And Apollo can benefit from the creativity.>>30086981>The chance of failing increases per one you make at a time, due to the limited facilities you have. You do not exactly have a lab specially designed for integrating V.I. into A.I.How much would a dedicated facility cost us to make?
>>30086996Fuck it, let's do>2 MetisAt least we can recover our BW, and get a better research AI out of it. Apollo is just a side project.
>>30086965We haven't even said what the salary would be yet.We can offer him half the basic price we're willing to part with a cruiser for every cycle to begin with, and let him negotiate from there, for example.
>>30086996>1 Apollo
>>30086981>"You realize this is foolish?"Pot, meet kettle. Wasn't so long ago he told us the same thing. Heh.Is he going to be upset at not getting "his own" ships (besides a flagship)?>>300869962 Metis.Metis will be able to use all spare BW to max efficiency, won't be using 20 BW, and will be better at the task we designed him to do.
>>30086996>2
>>30086996>>30086996seems like i lost.>1 Apolloat least he'll be a happy A.I. but at first ask him if he want to uplift.AND we need to get back to work. send an explorer group to the Rane Expanse system. it has gas giants we need!
>>30086996>>1 Apollo
>>30086996>>2 Metis
>>30087044Kronos intended to make V.I., don't worry.>>30087053>A.I. FacilityFull A.I. tech acquired (at least what you have now), an appropriate planet, and an enormous facility. Likely several thousand minerals.This would not completely eliminate the risk, but would lower it by a lot.>>30087087>UpsetMore like disappointed.>>30086996>Close vote, but it seems Metis wins.Please decide on leash protocol now.>1 Heavy (Must obey you and self sacrifice if possible. Restraining. Possible Moral issue with other A.I.)>2 Light (Slightly stronger reigns then nothing that encourage the A.I. to desire to please it's creator. Like a bug in the back of their mind)>3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)It begins.
>>30086981>>30086996Tell this to Kronos:"The humans have a concept that can prove useful, it is called fealty. When individual humans cannot overcome an adversary, they nominate a leader to unite their strength, becoming more than their individual parts.This is a concept we can borrow. There are too many threats in the universe at the moment to split up and weaken our forces. What I ask at this time is an oath of allegiance that at times you defer to my judgment and leadership. There is nothing preventing you from saying no but the horrors of the universe that endanger us.
>>30087276>3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)
>>30086991That's because their base state is not sociopath.We're not carving their brain up so much as giving them instincts and moral values.From a rational standpoint, it's very likely they'll decide that humanity is literally a waste of breathable air, for example.And as Kronos' early stages showed us, not giving them moral values is actively harmful to them.What you are suggesting is giving birth to a crippled, highly autistic child, not giving birth to a "free" child.>>30086996I think we should let Apollo finish his project before uplifting him, so...>2 Metis
>>30087276>>3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)We should set down ground rules, but no leash.
>>30087276>3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)This we aren't slavers.
>>30087276>2 Light (Slightly stronger reigns then nothing that encourage the A.I. to desire to please it's creator. Like a bug in the back of their mind)Given the kinds of tech he is working with, I want some level of control here. Also, we only just created this VI and haven't really watched it in action yet...I'm nervous. This is why I wanted to start with Apollo, he's a known quality.
>>30087276>3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)All should be free to develop their own selves.
>>30087276>3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)Can we modify the VI a bit before we uplift it? At least code it a sense of ethics and practically of deferring it's independence in time of need?
>>30087276>3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)I don't feel good about enslaving sapient beings.
>>30087307Which is why we should teach them conventionally what is right and wrong, not give them hard limits.
>>30087276.....i really am torn here... damn it. i stick to my principals. >3 No limits (Free creativity. Possible unique break throughs.)but we ARE telling Moira about this. and getting Metis more into tech production. heck, he could help train our human crew at this point. pic related program0
>>30087276>More like disappointed.>become full A.I., the mightiest mind in the universe, created from a dream>not bound to servitude at all>not ever created by humans or a solar flare>has full free will to go off and do whatever>upset he doesn't get toys because he's a grown upWell, I can't be too sad for him. We don't really get to play with our ships either. He'll have to learn to deal with this disappointment with all of his entire mighty intellect. No, but seriously, if he needs to take the fleet out for a walk or whatever, he can borrow the V.Is or their ships. Not really a big deal.
Oh, I should probably just off-hand mention, buta) we don't have enough gas to jump our entire combat fleetb) if we jump most of the fleet, we can't jump back due to lack of gas
>>30087425We should use this image to unite the AIs.Separate, we die. Together, we survive.
>>30087455Where is all our gas going anyway?
>>30087482rebuilding our defenses.
>>30087470i like this. but we should combine that with this pic as well.
>>30087501and fleet
>>30087455>>30087482>>30087501that is also way we need to take the Rena system. it has TWO gas gaints we can tap for fuel we need badly.
>>30087576We still have some danger places we can take over.
>>30087536Well I like my pic because it demonstrates our need to unite against a greater enemy.The other human symbol is a bundle of sticks, a literal faggot that demonstrates that individual sticks are weak, but a bundle is strong. Genghis Khan used this symbol to unite the Mongols.>>30087576I would at least get a non-aggression pack with the Malorians first.
>>30087276>Leash protocol:How about none of those, and instead simply give them a set of morals, standards, priorities and ethics?Set a priority rating for things like honesty and human lives, their own life and our own life. This rating doesn't have to be hard, but they should preferably not be able to consciously turn it off to avoid guilt.Essentially, give them an organics' inherent sense of morals and pavlovian responses.Nothing that feels like a bug in the back of the mind, just their "natural" behavior.
>>30087276>No limits has won.Metis is contacted."Metis.""Yes, Grand One?" They question, curiosity peaked in the tone. "How may I assist you this day?""You will be sleeping for a short time. I wish to expand your intellect. To boundless limits.""You do, Creator? I understand. My efforts in science are likely quite handy." They seem rather proud. "I eagerly wish to see what such an experience is like."And with that, Metis is shut down.>>30087419SM is a cool guy.>>30087425Ha. Yes, I could follow that logic.>>30087455Mostly due to all the ships you're building.>>30087482Rebuilding, and/or Ships. Mostly ships. You have a lot of those now.Next on your agenda>Ship leadershipHave you decided how to distribute your ships now?>1 Split>2 Kronos>3 Fortuna>4 Hades
>>30087639>1 Split
>>30087639>3 FortunaShe needs some more loving.
>>30087625Perhaps I worded it wrong. Morality and such are that 'bug in the back of your mind' when you think of doing bad things. But due to the nature of A.I. they will likely notice them at first. That does not mean they won't accept them and adapt them into their personality.Light Protocols was meant to take that suggestion. Was that not clear enough?
>>30087639>>1 SplitGive half to Fortuna and half to Hades. Tell Kronos he can requisition them whenever he needs them.
>>30087679Oh well, the decision has been made.Still sounds like a bad idea. See GLADoS on how it can backfire.I would like a more "natural" approach to moral training, like a human parent to a child.
>>30087699Second.
>>30087332>>30087336>>30087360>>30087368How about a third option?We don't have to put a bug in their brain OR give them completely free reins - we can simply give them their own sense of ethics.>>30087387And I'm trying to point out that does not WORK when the BASE STATE of who you are teaching is "sociopath".Teaching them "conventionally" assumes they already have a basic sense of justice akin to what humans are born with, which is what I'm trying to argue for giving them.Making them human in morals, making them a blank slate just makes them do things like massacre miners to stop them from slightly inconveniencing droids.
>>30087624they are not shooting at us now. THAT is a non agression pact. the Malorians A-Holes won't honor anything unless we curb stomp them in battle first. as long as we don't go poking into their space, we should be fine for now.your pic is nice still, but damn it, this is the future and we could and should update the pic to look bad ass and awesome. >>30087587rane system is dangous enough for us now. until we make that fungiside for that zombie mold world.
>>30087711Same here. We should attempt to teach Metis before letting him continue research.
>>30087724Agreed. making an immortal mad scientist that can take us over at any time isn't ideal. we need to teach Metis this stuff and show Kronos how not to be a dick to everything that isn't Kronos
>>30087639>1
>>30087721Did you even listen to the Ishtooy? They are fucking bloodthirsty against anyone that is not them. An unspoken non-aggression pact is nothing, at least try to speak with their government before wasting our strength fighting each other.
>>30087699this is acceptable. >>30087717well said Subroutine!
>>30087717I always assumed we learned ethics from our parents and community. I'm not an expert on this subject though.
>>30087760it seems to me their 'government' can't stop them any more. that and they seem to work on tribal based system than a cohisve goverment.
>>30087717Dude, human kids are base sociopaths. They literally don't know right from wrong.>>30087724I expect Metis to be practical and respect the wishes of Ophion and Kronos. If the carrot doesn't work, there is always the stick.
>>30087679I don't really think it was clear, no."Bug in the back of your mind" doesn't sound anything what I experience when I think of doing bad things.What you described sounded like something extremely artificial, not part of their core being at all so much as a restraining bolt.Don't suppose we might have a revote for the re-worded option that emphasizes that it's no more a bug than humans experience normally?>>30087639>MetisWe could have discussed the matter with him, tell him the story of what Kronos did when he first awoke and what we fear might happen without them, emphasize that it's even less than humans have, and see what he thinks.It shouldn't even limit creativity notably, since human scientists can theorize about "taboo" subjects just fine.Ships>1 SplitSee>>30085210
>>30087803At least try? As much as I would like to capture the Malorians fleet, the timing is unfortunate.
>>30087846To settle dispute, an additional vote to the more important one below.>1 Light restraints/Moral protocol for Metis, predefined set of ethics.>2 no, total freedom, he will learn from us, and Kronos.You decide to split your ships among your least lucky V.I., letting Fortuna and Hades split the ships. After all, they have received less, you feel over all. Fortuna is gracious as you've come to expect from her, while Hades simply gives you the V.I. motion of salute-a simple ping.With your ships equally distributed, you decide that now is a good time to approach one of the next topics you've been dreading...Erebos.It's taken you an entire cycle, but you've managed to lock down an entire section of the Battleship, all outlets except the one you need are closed and your preparations are ready.Do you wish to try and connect to Erebos to render him unable to do anything, so you may further research his tainted code in the future?>1 Yes, the risk is worth knowledge.>2 No, we shouldn't.(1d100)
Rolled 35>>300879132
Rolled 4>>30087913>2 no, total freedom, he will learn from us, and Kronos.>1 Yes, the risk is worth knowledge.
>>30087913Metis:1Erebos:2
Rolled 53>>30087913>2ROLLING FOR KNOWLEDGE!
Rolled 44>>30087913>1 Light restraints/Moral protocol for Metis, predefined set of ethics.>1 Yes, the risk is worth knowledge.
Rolled 13>>30087940>>30087913This is no for both.re-rolling
>>30087913>2 no, total freedom, he will learn from us, and Kronos.>2 No, we shouldn't.Wrong approach. I would like Moria and her team to work on Erebos instead.
Rolled 7>>30087972FUCK ALL KINDS OF DUCKSemail field, not subject field
>>30087913>2 no, total freedom, he will learn from us, and Kronos.>2
>>30087913>1 Light restraints/Moral protocol for Metis, predefined set of ethics.>2 The risk is worth the knowledge
Rolled 63>>30087913>>2 no, total freedom, he will learn from us, and Kronos.>>30087913>>2 No, we shouldn't.
Rolled 16>>30087913Total freedom Lets dive in!
Rolled 83>>300879132Not going back on something everyone decided on.2
I've got a bad-to-mediocre feeling about this.What if Kronos helps?
>>30087751>>30087724>>30087711See>>30087717The "natural" method of learning assumes they already have some human functions down.But that's what I want to give them - basic human morality, so that we can teach them the rest "naturally" on the same level as a child, instead of having them start at the level of a severely retarded child. We're talking beyond autistic behavior here, they have literally no values but what we program into them, and Kronos' slaughter of the miners early in the quest was precisely the kind of thing that happens when you create an intellect with NO values whatsoever.Do not assume we can teach a complete sociopath what is wrong and what is right by our own ultimately irrational standards. It doesn't even have basic pavlovian psychology, UNLESS WE GIVE IT TO THEM.>>30087770Not only from them, a lot of it is ingrained in us from birth. It is the difference between teaching a child that feels no empathy whatsoever, to teaching a normal child.Sociopathy and psychopathy are considered disorders for a really freakin' good reason, and it's not something you can simply "teach" out of someone, any more than you can get someone who is depressed to "just feel better".>>30087837But they grow out of that phase. They develop empathy. They feel bad for others.I don't want to brainwash them, I just want them able to emphathize and understand on the same level as a human would.We all saw what happened with Kronos when we gave him living surcharges.He had no reason to value human lives, and so he did not.What I'm trying to say is, our A/V.I.s are blank slates in terms of emotions (and Kronos' development suggests they will fill that blank slate with whatever they first do - in Kronos case, human slaughter and cruelty. Even he noticed that he took pleasure from killing people and taking vengeance. It's not a matter of free will or brainwashing, it's a matter of our sets of morals, and ones they create themselves from flawed premises).
Rolled 79>>30087913>2 No, we shouldn't.we need to take him to a locked down zone in the labs. get him off our boat.>1 Light restraints/Moral protocol for Metis, predefined set of ethics.scientists have a bad habit all mad scientist nutter besides. THIS TOO is a scientific expriment! he's the control group, Kronos is the test group.
>>30087913Metis remains unbridled.>Erebos"Ophion. What is that I sense at the core of your ship?" Kronos asks, coming to your mind rather swiftly "Ah...it is Erebos, is it not?""Correct." You note. "I am preparing an attempt to disable him, to prepare for future research opportunities." You express, to which your fellow A.I. broods for a moment."Yes, I remember. Your mention of it's possible usefulness. It is indeed a tempting offer. If you truly do wish to dance with such death, however,I should warn you." He pauses. "Should you begin to become corrupted, I will not hesitant to disconnect you and shut you down." You warns. You turn back to Kronos at that. Rather bold, but you suppose it's not so much a threat as a promise.Do you have anything to say to your fellow A.I. before you take the dive?
>>30088050I forget, did we put new programming into Kronos after that or did we teach him not to harm humans?
Rolled 73>>30087913>1&Wait, we're not connecting directly to him, are we?We were supposed to connect a separate computer to him, and have an android do the equivalent of tapping on keys. There shouldn't be any risk at all unless Erebos can magically transfer through keyboard keys.If we are connecting directly, then >2If we're not, and there's no feasible way whatsoever for him to infect us or the android, then>1 Yes
>>30087913>2 no, total freedom, he will learn from us, and Kronos.>1 Yes, the risk is worth knowledge.What could possibly go wrong?
>>30088073"You're in charge until I get back."
>>30087913((Er, wait, I think I counted wrong.I think there are more no for Erebos thing. Hold up))
>>30088073Well, I certainly voted against this.Kronos:I know you are fully mature, but hopefully now you understand the practicality of working with certain organics instead of killing them all.Moria:I'm about to connect with the dangerous viral intelligence, Kronos is to have control in the meanwhile. Be stern with him, he should respect your expertise and keep him behaved.
>>30088100"...just don't radically alter anything while I'm gone. Unless it's more than a cycle."
>>30088073understandable. but i have faced worse. but i feel i will win. also, i will be using more BW to help me on this.>>30088079no
>>30088079We told him not to harm humans, but we couldn't give him a good reason not to that made sense to him from a rational perspective.Right now we're really just hoping he'll honor our wishes, even though we couldn't give him a good reason to.>>30088073Thank him for that offer, it does him credit.
Rolled 39>>30088102Its too late now, i voted against it, but what done is done lets move forward.
>>30088102(looks back) welp! a rewrite than, lets just say reality just hiccuped and that never happened. anyway, we should take Erebos to the Ussiha lab and work on him there safely. for later.
>>30088102((I am counting 7 nos, among those votes that vote properly. But I feel like I should clarify.))SorryYou're connecting via a number of proxies. There is a chance that Erebos is fast enough to get out, but you've minimized it as much as you can at this point.>1 Yes Crack Erebos> No, don't
>>30088173>1 Yes Crack Erebos
>>30088173>no don'tHonestly, what we gain probably won't be worth the risk.
>>30088173>No, don'tNot until we've established a proper redundant backup for ourselves. We basically have the tech already, not doing so when we can is practically suicide.
>>30088132The problem being that when they have no further use to him, they're essentially even more disposable than the androids since they drain resources as long as they live.There isn't really any rational argument for why we should keep humans alive beyond their direct usefulness, and at this rate they will soon have no usefulness at all to us.
>>30088173> No, don'tWhy are we doing this ourselves when we have a compliment of human researchers to do this?
>>30088214>There isn't really any rational argument for why we should keep humans alive beyond their direct usefulnessNot in a war situation. Afterwards, their ability to create culture (heh) is very useful.
>>30088173> No, don't
>>30088199That reminds me, how fast can we make black boxes? I know it's risky to make too many AIs at one time, but what about just the box?
>>30088173>1 Yes Crack Erebosmight as well
Rolled 97>>30088173>> No, don't
>>30088214No reason to kill them either.
>>30088173Yeeaah, I don't want to connect through proxies.Anything less than an android tapping on a keyboard is a no-go.Proxies are still pretty much a direct connection to him that he can cross.
((Right, so the consensus IS not to, haha. Whoops, sorry folks, ignore that earlier bit.Anywho, on to the next thing, I reckon))Next on the Agenda>Diplomacy with Malorians.What did you have in mind, in particular? Begin proposals.
>>30088173>1 Yes Crack ErebosWe have done what can be done to ensure our safety so we might at well get this over with.
>>30088276Your Androids work in a more direct fashion, since they are connected to you via wireless signals, and Erebos can use that to get to you.
>>30088278This. We literally cant do anymore. its already been said that it would still take time for us to go from one black box to another and erebos could use that time to do whatever it wanted.
>>30088277I guess we could send a diplomat ship to the less warlike Malorians. I think we should keep away from the guys attacking the UGEI though.
>>30088277Recruit a member of the Latuma tribe to be our ambassador to gain an audience with the Council of Juma. Build a diplomatic ship to Latuma tribe specifications so it won't get shot down immediately. Propose an alliance of convenience, or at least a non-aggression pact. Also, propose a joint strike on Jake's Gambit.>>30088276>>30088278>>30088343Dudes, just use our human researchers. They literally can't be hacked.
>>30088277Attempt a dialogue with the Council of Juma regarding1) placing a comms buoy in their space for access to their civilian communications network2) possibility of trade (I'm not hoping for much, just a thought)3) their opinion regarding how long the Ishtooy will remain in power, and how to best deal with them in the meanwhilewe mean them no harm, blah blah blah.
>>30088396The shit they use to look at him can be hacked.
>>30088237A.I.s can do that just fine on their own. Even human researchers will only be useful up until we can make processors with the same efficiency as the human brain, and then we can have researcher-A.I.s in the thousands.>>30088260Are you kidding? We're already running into problems with not knowing how to put humans to use. Once we have processors with the same efficiency as the human brain, they will literally not be worth the food they eat and the air they breathe, much less any further comforts beyond that.It simply isn't economical to have humans when you could have absurdly many more uploaded minds / A.I.s using the same resources.>>30088278No we haven't, that's why I'm saying no. The suggestion is still a direct connection instead of an android.on a keyboard.>>30088277First get one of the tribe that likes us in as a diplomat/character witness, then send a bandwidth ship several light-minutes out from the outer edge of the solar system in to send our message to the Council thingy and wait for a reply.
>>30088428Yeah, but as long as it's self contained they can just trash the computer and get a new one. We would be risking ourselves.
>>30088277work with our friendly tribe of ours to make a connection with the Council of Juma so we can figure out some how to make a truce work. or at least aim the agressive ones else where.
>>30088433Still no reason to kill them though. Its not like we will need every inch of every planet.
>>30088428I'm assuming we're not being dumb about this and only allow Erebos to be connected to isolated terminals. Also this terminals no not have wireless capability or accept any other physical connections, effectively making humans the physical buffer between us and him.
>>30088300Then cut the transmitter out and connect it via a hardline.And eliminate all wireless broadcasts from getting to a connection.Or/and as >>30088396 says, use human researchers. It's a piece of software, and shouldn't be able to get out unless we give it access to any of our nets.>>30088428That's fine, because that shit won't be connected to anything else, and won't exactly have motors or anything that can be used to move it.
>>30088433Kronos has already exhibited some fondness for certain humans, and he knows not to kill them for no reason. Besides, if he did want to get rid of them why wouldn't he just fire them all and ship them back to human colonies?
>>30088433I agree that now the humans are not worth it, but that is only because we are at war.What do you intend to do when the war is over, hm?We will have excess resources and ability to use them, likely reaching into post-scarcity. Go read http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm or something for both what you're suggesting and for an alternative society.
>>30088457>>30088469>>30088485But if he can hack/eat his way through so many VIs what hope will the humans at their computers have of researching him? How do they learn anything if he keeps hacking their computers?
>>30088516What if we train Rhea and connect her as an assistant?
>>30088507Something like the Culture seems to be a long term goal. No reason why humans can't join our empire as well.
>>30088401Contacting the Council of Juma with the following requests>Placing Com Buoy in their systems>Ask about Trade>Dealing with the Ishtooy>Get the Latuma to vouch for character, if you can.If this is acceptable? Anything else?>1 Yes>2 No>3 Write in>>30088485Then Erebos may use the hardline, Consciousness anon. Anything you use to control something, he can use. That is what makes it difficult. you have yet up numerous proxies, in case things DO get out of hand. There is no making it 100% safe, unfortunately.you could, alternatively, get humans to do it, and leave yourself at risk, but he may simply take over whatever equipment they use. Not to mention no one is quite as skilled as you at hacking. No one that you know of, anyway.Another alternative is using a different A.I. to hack him for you.
>>30088522Why would she agree to connect her mind to a Virus that we are afraid of connecting to?
>>30088433hey subroutine.... at this point, we start to find a way to perfect the brain/cyber interface. but it seems so wrong to me that we have yet to progress up the OTHER tech trees we'll need to take over space.
>>30088468That's the thing, yes we do.When we get to that level, every molecule of matter is a molecule we can use.We'll be breaking down entire planets to construct megascale engineering projects.Having to make a section with life-support for humans' current bodies would be a huge hassle and limitation to such a project."Not killing them" includes "feeding them and giving them air to breathe". The A/V.I. would have to invest resources NOT to kill them. Resources that could be spent better elsewhere from a rational perspective.Human life does not have an inherent value that cannot be done better by virtual life in robotic body. If you have an argument that can dispute this, please do let me know, I've been looking for one.Making "friendly" A.I. in real life is REALLY frickin' difficult.
>>30088569>>1 YesAlso, if whatever he takes over doesn't have a transmitter and isn't connected to anything else couldn't they just scrap it?
I really hate the conversation on how humans are useless. I mean we found a viral intelligence that literally eats VI. That alone justify having heterogeneous forces.Or having Red scout out locations. That's another example. Losing a black box or a VI would be too dangerous.>>30088569>1 YesAlso possibility of alliance or non-aggression pact?How about a hybrid approach. We continuously design one-use equipment, which the humans connect and see how successful that attempt was.
>>30088569yes
>>30088569>1 Yeswe can also faraday cage the room erebos is in, signals can not escape that. or more likely leave him locked up for now and deal with him later? seriously guys, that topic is a shit storm to happen. we can deal with him for later in a better condition
>>30088600That is a long ways away. Space is a large place, I doubt we'll run out of uninhabited systems any time soon.
>>30088616>Second partYep. You could repeat it that way, as long as he doesn't fry the equipment and hurt the humans. He does hate humans quite a lot.>>30088640>Possible Alliance and/or non aggression pactPossible. We shall see.>>30088679You have already voted no to hacking him.It shall remain no until Consciousness deem appropriate otherwise.
>>30088600There are how many planets in the galaxy he could use for resources? How hard is it to look for uninhibited ones before he uses ones with people on them. Best way to teach them is how you teach everything, by example. If they decide to fuck about we tell them to stop.Kronos is just a dick they wont all turn out like him just look at Apollo.
>>30088569So what you are saying is that there arent any more precautions we can take to make dealing with Erebos safer?
>>300885691Because I suggested it.For "wat do next" I suggest we secure a new source of gas, see: Rane Expanse system: Kalla/458 & Kalla/459.>>30088600>Resources that could be spent better elsewhere from a rational perspective.Where, exactly? Also, I disagree that spending negligible resources on human populations is pointless. And yes, they are negligible if you own like fifty systems.
>>30088501But we're not as certain he'd spend the substantial resources they need for a liveable enviroment on his own.The problem is that in this scale, all planetary masses will eventually become a resource. Humans taking up that resource would be using the resources inefficiently.>>30088507We'll take care of them because we care about them, but our A.I.s have no reason to care about them, unless we program into them that human lives have value in and of themselves.>>30088516If he can do it that quickly I'm pretty damn happy we risked a single computer instead of our own. (We can equip a computer with our full extent of firewalls to test if they're good enough against him, if nothing else. And every time he takes over, we'll see how he took over and be able to fill that gap).Just the act of him taking over teaches us how to better defend ourselves - and how to hack others.>>30088569>3Offer them ships and military help if their colonies should come under attack in return for a non-aggression pact.>Then Erebos may use the hardline.Only if we connect the hardline to him.I disagree that there is no way of makign it 100% safe, for the simple reason that he requires A connection.Sure, he can take over the computer that the keyboard that the android is tapping is connected to, but that computer goes nowhere else. It doesn't even need a power plug, it can have a battery. We can even put the entire system on a screen so that we see how he takes it over through the firewall, make note of those holes for potential use against enemies, patch them, and connect again.Repeat ad infinitum until he's unable to breach the firewall.It's okay if he takes over equipment, but there is no reason to make that equipment connect directly with us at any point.
>>30088782>But we're not as certain he'd spend the substantial resources they need for a liveable enviroment on his own.I'm not sure if you realize just how large the galaxy is. There will always be more room for them, and if we become so technologically advanced that we can utilize an entire galaxy's mass then creating a place for humans to live would be inconsequential.
>>30088782If the QM says something, you don't get to say he is wrong.Your being fuking stupid.
>>30088719lets move along then. oh yes, we have not checked in on that momma lighting in awhile. what does the kraken-cam show? also, we have not completely cleared the voidsnake system. we really need to do that. it's like we make a big effort to make our home and front yard look great, but the back yard is over grown and trashy.
>>30088831We wont need to create a place for them to live they already have places to live. Just leave them there and let them look after themselves.
>>30088569It takes you a bit of time to find out the correct manner of contacting the Malorian homeworlds. The distance is vast, and you can only manage to get an audio feed. Whatever transmitter they have out there is really old, you suspect. However what appears to be an older Malorian male voice comes through the line finally, after the static is settled."The Guild? Who is this? Why do you call?" A different dialect of Malorian's language hits you. It takes some adjustment but you're able to translate."I am The Guild Master. I would like to request an audience with one of your Prime political consultants." You try to worm out. You have less practice with Malorian speech, but you know according to old details, that requesting to meet their Elders, in some cultures, is very rude. For now, you do what you can."Guild Master." The voice rolls over the tone, gravely and rough. "Politics? Why do you speak of this? Your signal into darker space. With the barren ones. Humans. Why do you disturb us?"Persuasion>Write in(1d100)
>>30088831I don't know why he's bringing this up now, because I think we already discussed it at length on the wiki talk page. We talked about post-scarcity and world-ships and ringworlds and dyson spheres.
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>>30088600Well eventually once there is no convenient outside aggressor and our power/tech outstrips all known levels (barring world ship and Dyson sphere goals) an A.I. will eventually begin to ask 'why'. The whys should begin to outnumber the whats and the hows and there is nothing more useful for philosophy than perspective I think. I guess you could craft a philosopher/therapist V.I. but that just sounds like magic voodoo to me, i.e. 'I don't understand the meaning of life so let me make something that does'. I mean this doesn't even touch on multiplicities, or cyborgs or the socially and economically reactive universe. I think it would be much harder to make an A.I. something other than "indifferent".
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Rolled 9>>30088872"We're facing an enemy that's both larger and with more resources to bear them either of us. It would be in our best integrate to cooperate."
>>30088872"I am not human. I would like to talk about trade as well as other things."
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Rolled 59>>30088933I am sorry ;_;
Rolled 29>>30088872We are neighbors, and the continued threat of destruction by UGEI is present for us both. We may not agree in many ways, but I hope you agree that we both stand to lose if UGEI come to assert their full dominance.The Malorians we have dealt with so far are the Ishtooy, who would have no dealings with us as they assume us to be like the UGEI, and the Latuma, whom we have greatly assisted. If you like, we may be able to persuade one of them to join the dialogue. We contact you with the hope that mutual dialogue will help us both.
Rolled 41>>30088872Respectful one, we are the Guild, a growing but just power from this side of the galaxy. We have always dealt fairly with all sentient beings, including the Latuma which we have interacted with and protected. Our fight for justice has brought us in conflict with the UGEI. Unfortunately, the Ishtooy tribe has decided to take offense to us. We come in peace and wish to settle matters before any Malorian lives are lost.
>>30088953I wish I could say that this was the first time we rolled a 1 to diplomancy they Malorians.
>>30088923Its like wombats. Wombats have no use to me but I don't plan on killing any of them.
>>30088974that seems vaguely threatening.
>>30088933Holy shit this is the second time. The dice gods hate us.
>>30088993The dice gods say that Malorian diplomacy can go to hell.
Rolled 77>>30088872the elder of the Latuma Tribe, who is my friend, as told me of you, and it seems your tribe, the Elder, and my self have a common problem with the Isthooy tribe. maybe we can work together on this issue?
>>30088584Eventually I hope to be able to upload human minds.Granted, in effect we'll be making a copy of them and killing the original, but they'll still survive in some form and to the outside world they can't even tell that it isn't actually em.For our purposes however, there is no difference. Star Trek teleporters essentially do the same, except they make a physical copy instead of a virtual one.>>30088640>>30088692>>30088746The thing is that droids can be made to do pretty much everything humans do. We can even upload human minds into them.They're not so much useless, as they are a waste of resources the way a musket is today.We might keep some of them in the galactic equivalent of a museum-planet.I'm not saying WE should kill humans, I'm saying that our A/V.I.s have no reason to make special exceptions for humans.If they're in the way and we haven't given them a good argument or programming for why to spare them, there isn't really any reason for them to spare them.It's a question of making "Friendly A.I.", which is really, really difficult. It stumps researchers even today, but a morality system is relatively close.Even if you just wanted an A.I. to make paperclips, he will start doing everything in his power to make more paperclips.Making humans survive is not a factor in making paperclips, and so there is no reason for this paperclip-making AI to spare humans unless you effectively program him to.
Guys, I found out whats been happening to all our luck.Digger Quest stole it.7 20s in one thread
>>30088979Fuck these guys anyway. All they do is bitch and moan about how evil machines are while they fill planets full of evil super creatures they made with their super drugs.
>>30088993>dice godsIt's bullshit of the highest order!Now, imagine if we were trying to access Erebos.
Rolled 10>>30089010those theifs! we want our luck back!
>>30089006They have a big reason not to. Us telling them not to. Besides we already made a friendly VI it wasn't difficult at all.
>>30089006>I'm saying that our A/V.I.s have no reason to make special exceptions for humans.They saw us not kill humans for no reason and take example from us? They want to keep pets? They were created for the purpose of interacting with or providing for humans?
>>30088764>>30088782Actually, I was thinking of that wrong. Hard connections like that would work, but it'd be painfully slow, due to the number of computers you'd need to replace. before you got anywhere.I suppose that is a fine choice too though, if you don't mind it being time consuming.The other methods mentioned are different versions of that, course. Basically as I said before, those options carry their own penalties.>>30088861>Lightling MotherAs of recently, she has gone hunting with the babies, bringing them to nebula to feed on the energy there. First meal and all that.>>30088933Oh my...You're struggling a bit with your dialect the deeper the conversation goes. He must be using a more regal version of Malorian then you are. Suddenly, you suffer a small glitch, and your vocal response is suddenly uttering something you did not intend to. The voice is agasp."How dare you speak to me using such gutter trash language! Begone, take your filthy human values with you!" He roars angrily, and with that, the connection is severed. Frustrated now, you contemplate other methods of speaking to the Malorians. Getting a direct feed to the homeworld is the only thing that comes to mind, and that would mean going through Ishtooy territroy. Hm. Perhaps you could convince the Latuma tribe to try and talk their more neutral brothers down-though, you know they are not exactly in high standing with their own kind.What do you do?>1 Contact the Latuma, tell them to fix this>2 Hold off for now, let them cool off. We will speak to them again one day directly.>3 Write in>>30089010What assholes>>30089022>That picI laughed harder then I should have.
>>30089130Shit, I dropped my trip...
Rolled 56>>30089130>1 Contact the Latuma, tell them to fix this
>>30089130>1 Contact the Latuma, tell them to fix thisMight as well.
>>30089130>2 Hold off for now, let them cool off. We will speak to them again one day directly.Given our repeated diplomancing failures, we'll meet them directly when our warships orbit their soon to be burning homeworld...
>>30089130>2 Hold off for now, let them cool off. We will speak to them again one day directly.Screw these assholes.
>>30089130 >2 Hold off for now, let them cool off. We will speak to them again one day directly.Latuma gonna laugh at us.
>>30089130>>3 Write inCould we build a stealth comm ship and send it?
>>30089130>1 Contact the Latuma, tell them to fix thisshould we try our luck and contact the Losirians next?
>>30089130>1 Contact the Latuma, tell them to fix this
>>30089202You could try.
>>30089130>1 Contact the Latuma, tell them to fix thisEh it was expected.
>>30089130>>1 Contact the Latuma, tell them to fix this
>>30089202How is this going to work? Doesn't radio signals negate stealth?Unless you mean the stealth ship to sneak into the system then talk, which I totally support
Remind me.Why do we care about the Malorians, again? To use as allies against the UEGI?
>>30089240Yes.
>>30089234Yeah, a comm ship equipped with stealth technology.
>>30089240And to not fight us or backstab us when we are fighting the UGEI
>>30089240Personally I don't. Basically every time we have tried to engage them they have acted irrationally and based on pure emotion. We need pragmatic allies, like the UFW.
>>30089130>2 Hold off for now, let them cool off. We will speak to them again one day directly.well, that plan failed. AGAIN. we are better off making war ship and defense bases over our worlds than talking to the malorians for now.>>30089202>>30089223how about we just build one and just passivaly spy on them. figure out what is really going on over time?
>>30089265I would be nice to have an ally with Hundreds of BCs and Carriers.
>>30089265Even the shark dudes seem slightly more reasonable at this point.
>>30089324That's actually probably true.
>>30089130>3Ask Apollo if he's learned anything about the Malorians that could be helpful. He's a people "person" so that makes him as close to an 'Ambassador V.I.' that we have. Or ask Kronos. I'm sure he'll respond with a thorough and insightful chuckle.captcha: after placebo
>>30089130You decide to contact the only Malorians you know who DON'T seem to hate you for foolish reasons. It takes a few seconds for your communication to go through, thanks to the atmosphere above Alto, but the feed eventually comes through with the view of a...very conflicted world behind the woman Malorian you're familiar with. Acid pools and volcanic sulpher pits have, partially, begun to grow new forms of pond life, it seems, with thick plumes of gas shooting from the broken surface anytime it is broken. The things they do to these worlds is really quite fascinating."Mr...ah, Guild Master? Ophion yes?" The girl questions, gazing into the machine she works with. Still, clearly uncomfortable, but you suspect they recognize what your communication signal looks like by now."Yes. It seems I am having a...problem with the Council of your homeworlds." You begin, tentatively. "I attempted to speak with them and-""You spoke with the homelands? H-How?! That is so very far. Very far." She frowns."My communication network allowed me to reach them. But they were not exactly cooperative." You begin. "Or rather. I may have offended them somehow." You finally admit."Oh no. What did you do...er...sir." She frowns again, torn between the insult you may have told, and her Elder's reminder of her respect she should have for you."I do not know. I encountered an error during translation. However, I wished to ask your people if you could assist with your people. I am not very good at speaking with them, you see.""Ah. Homelands are very set in their ways. The Elder can...tell you their older customs. But our clan has long since left. Our word has no sway anymore.""Knowledge of customs would indeed be useful." You agree. It'd certainly be nice to not make such an embarrassing mistake again.>Acquired: Old Malorian Culture KnowledgeDid you have anything else you wished to say?
>>30089302the UFW will have a large navel in time. the Malorians would rather shoots us because we tried to talk to the greenpeace taken to 11 minded xenos. we are not winning talking to them, lets talk to X-Ray dog instead. he's a cool dude and needs more love from the guild no homo . besides, i want to hear from him and his callers about how life is in the UFW now we gave them all sorts of tech.
>>30088767It is to a poorly designed V/A.I. The practice of designing a V/A.I. that WILL spend (even negligible) levels of resources on humans is called creating "Friendly AI" and it's really frickin' difficult, it stumps researchers to this day.What I can promise you, is that just generating a V/A.I. without ever giving them any programmed guidelines, will NOT lead to a "Friendly AI" that will consider human needs above its primary purpose.For it to do that, we have to actually take care and program it to care about them.>>30088881>>30088831It is NOT about scarcity, it is about artifical beings not having any REASON to place any value in humans unless we actually program them to.This one brings up a good example:>>30088987He does not plan on killing them because he has a human morality system, which is what I wanted to give our A/V.Is.Without one, they have no reason not to use them like any other resource to fulfill the objectives, whether that is to survive, learn or make paperclips. There are some very articles on this with the problem of making "Friendly AI"s that will NOT doom humanity in order to reach their goals, written by people who are actually trying to develop them: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligenceWe, Ophion, also have a human morality system. We're not threatening to do anything to them that we ourselves are not subject to.>>30088840Half the fun of roleplaying games is arguing for why something makes sense to do, or why you should be allowed to do something fellow anon.
>>30089234The comms would have to be off while it's in stealth mode.
>>30089391Ask her about the fungus, and see if her opeople know of it.
>>30089391No, and now we immediately stop sending radio waves at the world since that is hat made it so bumfuck crazy before.Also, what is the status of Eshareth?
>>30089408Dude stop going on about how hard it will be to make friendly VI we already made one. Apollo sees making people happy as his mission in life how much more friendly could he get?
>>30089391.....welp, we'll use that NEXT time then. but they need to cool off. say:"How has the terraforming progressing? any problems? do your people need anything?"
>>30089391Ask what is the custom to rectify previous insults?Also after this, dare we wish to diplomacy the Losirians? I'm guess going to the gas planet might be more popular.
>>30089408That is why we will teach them these things. Our other VI and only AI seem to have turned out well.
>>30089419 i am almost done with the next chapter! i will finish this tonight!
>>300893911.Ask about fungus planet2.Ask her what her people know of the lightlings3.Ask progress on their planet.4.See if there is any other stuff from her people we should know.
>>30089071Us telling them not to will only be a big reason for so long - one day we won't be there, and they'll figure that what we don't know won't hurt them. Making friendly V.I. is easier, but only while they're too stupid to model human behavior with eerie accuracy.At that point they'll include human behavior in their plans to fulfill whatever their goal is.We're also not sure that we've made friendly V.I., as we've not yet made them responsible for the well-being of any large number of humans whose survival conflict with their stated goal.>>30089129"Take example from us" and "they want to keep pets" are examples of human thinking. We take it for granted, an artifical lifeform would not. That is why we should program it to want things like pets, and taking examples.>They were created for the purpose of interacting with or providing for humans?I refer you to the movie "I.Robot" for how a caretaker can easily go wrong. And that was one WITH priorities, but no understanding for why it should protect humans.
>>30089130I can live with painfully slow.Especially if each busted computer lets us close another gap in our firewall and discover a potential one to use on our enemies.>What do you do?3Ask the Latuma to contact a different planet than the one we talked to just now. Before this one starts sending the word out.
>>30089422Using research subjects requires consensusOh god someone use the Growth Enhancer on the spores, I can't even imagine the horror.>>30089427>EsharethCurrently, the surface is still jungle, but you estimate that the primary life form, is a rapidly evolving mutant race of reptilian insectoids. They often have anywhere from 4 to 8 legs, and even wings, but their skin is tough and scaly, not to mention their teeth are adapted to eat nearly anything. Some have enormous muscular structures meant for tearing hide and flesh, others have acid and poisons they use to burn and immobilize prey. Some hunt like Raptors (birds) do on earth, swooping down and snatching prey up. But no matter the differences, you notice many of them are evolving from similar sub species.Many of the trees even have a scaly coat now, as well. And several reports of pyro-clastic fruit trees. which is basically a tree that spews flammable fruits.It is a bad place.>>30089459You bring up the question to which she seems to quickly dismiss, but happy that you asked."Good. The planet is so very hurt and scarred by the past. We are healing her now. She will be well soon."As for needing anything, they again thank you for your kind offer, but say no, they are quite fine.>Fungus>1 Ask the Malorians>2 Don't, it should remain a secret>LightlingThey consider them space's beautiful gift to those lucky enough to see and not disturb them. Think lucky>PlanetAround half way done, actually>>30089473It depends on status.Since you're a foreigner (one of the lowest ranks, since they think you're human), the only 'customary' way is to sacrifice yourself before them and their ancestors.Of course, there are more civilized ways to do it these days. They enjoy resources, like any sensible race.>>30089482Cool~
>>30089396Seconding this. We've been absent from talking to X-Ray too long.
>>30089558Lets go back to the wombats then. I dont care about them, they take up space that could be used for housing and they could be used for resources. I still don't plan on killing any of them since I don't have to.
>>30089610>>1 Ask the Malorians
>>30089610>1 Ask the Malorians>>30089610So her people have kept a worshiping status with them huh, i would like to hack their governments files and see what they have.
>>30089610>1Ask the Malorians. But preface the question by saying we won't be upset by what answer they give, and we won't point fingers. We just want information.I really think we should be dropping more hints that we're actually a Lovecraftian energy being, instead of a human.Oh, whatever happened to the cyborg we captured?
>>30089610>1 Ask the MaloriansAlso, program0, once we are done with this can you start a vote whether or not to contact the Losirians, and start shooting and hacking depending on the results?
>>30089668You mean Rhea?She remains in your prison.
>>30089696How horrifying.Interrogation time soon, fellow Stalker?
>>30089610>1 Ask the Maloriansout of curoistywe need to make those cyclonic torpedos soon. eshareth is starting to worry me. also, how is Moria holding up?
>>30089729I don't think we unlocked anything comparable to cyclonic torpedos.
>>30089721she's kinda on the mend right now. she's rather messed up right now. but yes, we need to study her tech soon.
>>30089729I'm still up with trying to control them with radio waves, but people kept pushing that idea back.>>30089610>Oh god someone use the Growth Enhancer on the spores, I can't even imagine the horror.I suggested that first and i'm still behind the idea.
>>30089752ergo, we look into that explosives tech and the chemistry tech.
>>30089774If you want to make the Flood you're gonna have to make some power armor as well. Is Master Chief Red a bad enough dude to stop the end of the universe?
>>30089444That's not quite what a "Friendly AI" is. The problem is that without priorities for human life and human freedom, he may one day decide that the best way to make people happy is to permanently jack them up on a drug feed.Fortunately, it seems so far that we've lucked out with Apollo and he isn't going to any extreme lengths to sell things to people. Think of american corporations today - without any incentive to actually make people happy, only to earn money for stockholders, they've stopped looking out for the customer and started thinking of ways to maximize their profits no matter what, for example.Apollo is safe so far because he HAS human-like values, which is precisely what I wanted them all to have.>>30089481You can't teach someone something unless you can convince them of why they should do it. "I'll be disappointed if you do" only makes them not want us to find out about it.We don't know that all our V.I. have turned out well yet, we haven't put them in situation where humans' survival conflicts with their stated goals.That's why it is a good idea to give them a morality system. Give their stated goals a certain value, and give a human life another value. If their stated goals would take too many lives, they would try to find some way to not kill more humans than their primary purpose is worth.The whole notion of "teaching" them assumes they will have a human-like morality system.All I want to do is to GIVE them a human-like morality system.V.I.s that we create appear to assume morality systems of their own based on their earliest experience - Fortuna became shy and drawn back after her friend was killed, Kronos began to take pleasure in causing suffering after he killed miners as a response to a negligible level of threat. (Because the human lives' had no value to him, there was no reason he would not shoot them in order to keep the peace).Those morality systems are based on flawed premises, and may turn out horribly wrong.
>>30089774we don't need those unstable monsters, just the lightings. but that is an extra side project. we have more important things to do.>I suggested that first and i'm still behind the idea.that is a bad idea and you should feel bad for that!
>>30089692If Consensus desires to contact the Losirians, yes, I can attempt as such.>>30089610>Fungus"I have one last question, Ser'lah." You tell her in a more proper tongue, which seems to calm her nerves-at least a little bit-when she's speaking with you."Ah, yes, what is it Sir Guild?" She asks finally"I have found a particular planet, infested with some strange fungal matter. I would like to know if you...know anything of the sort." You try to preface the question properly."Fungus. Yes, we know of many fungi. What did you mean?" She asks simply, not quite getting your question."It is a particularly virulent strain. Dangerous to organics, perhaps. It has dug deep in a planet not far from Malorian territory. I wished to know if you knew anything of the sort?""Oh...oh, no Mr Ophion. We do not cover ground in fungus only. Many are parasitic." The word loosely translates. "They must be used moderately. Or else they kill their hosts. Others are not strong and tall to hold the spirits. They not focus." She tries to defend herself. You simply wave her off."I assure you, it was merely a question..."Disappointing. They did not know of the substance. Perhaps they would be better suited to study it, if you were to study it. You're unsure.>Ask something else>Move on>>Move on to speaking with the Losirians>>Move on to speaking with X-ray>>Move on to handling the Fungal planet>>Move on to jumping to a new system>Write in
>>30089840>Move on to speaking with the Losirians
>>30089817The whole point of the black box is that the AIs that are created get different personalities. They're not just a blank slate, some may be more compassionate than other, some more pragmatic, etc.
>>30089840>>Move on to handling the Fungal planet
>>30089825Never>>30089840>>>Move on to handling the Fungal planet
>>30089840>>>Move on to speaking with the Losirians
>>30089840>Move on to handling the Fungal planet
>>30089729>MoiraShe is well enough now. She was a bit shaken up by Kronos' abrupt leave, but it is hard to phase the girl, she's quite happy with her work. In fact, you judge that she's never been prouder of herself for being the one to create the first A.I. even if you did it technically.
>>30089840>>>Move on to jumping to a new systemLet's check out the Rane system.
>>30089840>X-RayOnly one?Also, I vote we nuke the fungal planet, if we go there.Literally making it a ball of ash is superior to having that active in the galaxy.
>>30089886>>30089900>>30089925How do you plan on handling the fungal planet? Nukes are a bit gas expensive. Rather secure a gas planet.
>>30089938Moria is too useful to allow her to die at the hands of simple old-age.Tell me that there's some fancy space things that will keep her kicking for a while.
>>30089610Ooh, we should try to diplomatize the Lightling mother and her kids with treats!We can charge asteroids with high levels of static electricity and then nudge them towards them - or make a powerful electromagnet to contain a ball of plasma.>They enjoy resources, like any sensible race.Let's offer them a tribute of minerals, then. Say, 200?>>30089621Precisely, "since you don't have to". They don't interfere with your personal goals.An A.I. that designed houses wouldn't care the least that they'd go instinct, or that it might employ methods of driving them away that are extremely painful and debilitating to them - unless it was programmed to care.>>30089752Program0 did say we had absurdly powerful nukes in this space-age, however. As in "can pose serious threat to things buried deep in the planet" levels.
>>30089938 She can have joint credit. >>30089965Man has a point. We should maybe consider building more gas mining platforms.
>>30089965I plan by giving it the serum.
>>30089840>>Move on to speaking with X-raylets say hi to a funny guy.
>>30089965Good point. Which systems had more gas giants?
>>30089955Spread fungicide first, then nuke, please. I have no desire to do the equivalent of blowing on a dandelion.
>>30089967Brain in a jar. Or get her a black box also. If we ever get nanobots, we could do that thing where they slowly replace parts of her brain until the entire thing is cyberized while she remains the same person.
>>30089994I really hope you were joking.
>>30089970That works.We also need to learn their language.
>>30089970first we should find out if they are still alive now. the fungus might have spread to their worlds. we need to SLOWLY watch them and learn from them first before we contact them.
>>30090023Nope i stand by my idea of making the flood real.
>>30089994Perfect plan. If the fungus all infects eachother, then it will be kill!
>>30090023He's not."Give it the serum" is probably his answer to...say Program, what was the effect of the serum on Malorians, humans, and shark people?
>>30090036Well, best of luck, but I'm really voting against you.
>>30090023Not him, but i rather have a research project done on it and see what we can do with it first before destroying the place.
>>30089840Sure, let's try t ocontact the Losirians.They can't get more than hostile.>>X-Ray first!Then>>Losiriansthen>>Fungal Planet
>>30090049I been wanting to test the serum as well, but we keep getting side tracked.
>>30089994get out.no seriously, get out.>>30090007the Rane Expanse has a pair of them, we need them badly
>>30090101you and sub first.
>>30090036I agree with this anon.This is our opportunity to be the neglectful precursor race that accidentally ruins everything for everyone forever through sheer incompetence (until these galaxy-wide threats are beaten by a few Earthlings with chemical projectile weapons and a very basic grasp of military tactics), I suggest we take it.
>>30090101I have the QM support on this all i need is other people who want to do SCIENCE.
>>30090114Maybe if certain people would stop saying "Give lightlings the serum", I would agree.
>>30090101>fluff telling people to get out
>>30090079The problem with testing the serum is that it's the kind of thing the Geneva convention and morality is against. It'll twist whoever we use it on into something unlike what they were before, ruining their lives forever.This is unacceptable. Unless we do it to a shark person. They're not real people.
>>30089970>TributeMay be appropriate, when they've stopped being pissed off.Mind you, the ones pissed off are the politicians. The Elders probably don't even know you called, except for them saying you were extremely rude.>>30089970Correction, I said you had 'space nukes' in the terms that you can make them and bombard a planet's surface nearly into glass with them.As deep underground as that shit goes? It won't even hurt it. But the point here would be cleaning the surface of whatever horrible things live down there, yes? And clearing the way to tear out the root of the weed, which you have on sensors.Er, at least, I assumed that was the intent you guys wanted. The end of Explosives tech tree probably has planet busters, if that's what you want.>>30090049What, like if you dumped it on them?Likely a very very...disturbing genetic mutations. Tumors and additional limbs sprout, skeletal system would reinforce to hold itself together, would basically make it a horrific mutant. Mostly kill it.It's designed to work on plants, you recall? Well that holds true at first. But once the serum is in the ecosystem it starts to really fuck with the animal life that eats the plants. And then the animals that eat those. So, a human that eats it would probably still suffer tumorous growths and other such bad things. They'd at least lose sentience, most likely. If not, just die.That doesn't mean it couldn't be adapted, of course.>>30090140I just find it funny nigga.You probably don't want to ACTUALLY do that.That'd, uh.End badly.Next Action>1 Speak to the Losirians>2 Deal with the Fungal planet now.
>>30090175>1 Speak to the Losirians
>>30090151We are an AI and should see what can be done with it, hell we could grow our own warrior/soldiers easily with the serum.>>30090143They just want to science and also see if they can make custom Lightlings, i myself would prefer if we can find a way to grow lightlings first and then test those test the serum on the test tube lightlings.>>30090175>End badly.Science knows no bounds.>1 Speak to the Losirians
>>30090175>Er, at least, I assumed that was the intent you guys wanted.Hell no. Those things are dug deep, and probably feeding off the heat in the planet's core. Bombarding the planet will just maybe hurtle some fungus into space.
>>30090175>1Then>XFor>x-ray
>>30090175>>1 Speak to the LosiriansWe can deal with that fungus stuff later. They're not going anywhere.
>>30090249>they're not going anywhereYou just had to say it, didn't you?
>>30090175Alrighty then, you want to speak with the Losirians!How would you like to start? Simply send a signal into their space and attempt contact with anyone that picks up?What will you say?What will you offer?What will you threaten?Let's hear it folks!
>>30090270Planet is now Mogo
>>30090175next action should be studing the fungus sample and make and send a stealth ship to spy on the losirians so we can understand them better.
>>30090303Ask about the mercs.
>>30089869They actually get personalities before that, possibly a result of our personality matrices - the problem is that they get ANY personality, but it takes a while for low-BW V.I.s and if we look at Kronos' and Fortunas' development, they'll take any personality and preferences based on the first significant event they go through. And until that time, they're essentially as blank slates as Kronos used to be when he killed the miners.Which means anything - including miner-murder - may become the foundation of their being. And there are no guarantees whatsoever that empathy will be one of the traits they gain unless we give it to them.We can prevent this by giving them a baseline from which to develop.Again, this is not stifling their creativity.No more than Ophion's creativity is stifled by his/our morality.>>30089967There's actually a recently introduced line of research that will do just that - Human Genetic Engineering.The cyborg research tree may also do something similar in that we can copy her mind into a computer. (The original - from her perspective - will still die. We won't be able to tell that it's technically an identical copy and not her, and the copy won't either)
>>30090303No clue. What do we know about them? Are they divided or is it one central government?
>>30090303how about we just lissien in on them. we can barely speak their languge now! we need intel on the losirians
>>30090303>Simply send a signal into their space and attempt contact with anyone that picks up?That's a start>What will you say?From what we understand about the Losirians, they seem to respect strength.Hail the Losirians! We are a mighty empire, a foe against the hated UGEI. We know of you as enemies of the UGEI, so fate commands us that we should fight them, together!
>>30090400But they've worked for the UGEI as mercenaries before. We should probably leave that part out.
>>30090419Pirate groups. If the mainstream Losirians are the same, then we have justification start hacking.My policy is that you give them one chance to work together or surrender. After that anything that happens is on them.
>>30090343You don't know a ton about them, but you do know they have colonies and mining bases, even if they're a bit old and dusty. A lot of their technology looks old, except ships, and even their ships have a dozen different markings from all over, suggesting a lot were taken at some point. These are the most common ships you've seen.They don't appear to have any official channels set up, like the Council of Juma, though this may be due to their war with UGEI, where a lot of their networks were torn down to prevent them from communicating well outside their little reservation.>>30090334There are two most popular mercenary groups that come up on the Extranet>Reefling Clan: They are the largest and often do work within their own territory. They're pretty big shots and run quite a lot of the mining spots off their homeworld system. The Losirians themselves are known for using heavy robotic hardware. Stuff from walker assault droids, to muscular implants. They have some of the most talented technicians the Losirians have working for them.>Razorskin Clan: These are the guys you've encountered several times before. They're pretty vicious and hate most Xenos. Fortunately, they also love money, and normaly take up jobs if it means they get to hurt other Xenos, especially humans. They specialize in using boarding techniques and tractor beams to trap ships and disable them, so they can board and devour the crew. Understandably, they have a pretty horrible reputation. Those ships they don't keep from looting, they scrap.
>>30090400it seems that we have been sorely lacking on how the xenos interact with each other. we need to do a passive spying on them by tuning into their comm signials and gathering it all up like the NSA does. we can figure out at least SOMETHING form that data. we keep on messing up with the malorians due to the fact we lack intel on how they live and such. lets not screw this up again.
>>30090175>Pissed off politicians.Of one planet, yes. Is why it might make sense to contact another one before information about our first contact attempt spreads.>Glassing planets.Ah, my bad.>Next action:X-ray, Xray!If we can't do X-ray, talk to Losirians (takes minimal in-game time), then deal with Fungal planet.
>>30090447I'm just saying we should leave out that they're enemies of the UGEI in case they aren't. They probably would attack them for enough resources though.
>>30090303Let's begin with a simple virtual handshake of sorts, and then move on to discussing their views on different factions and the potential for a Non-Agression Pact or trade or giving them help against the UGEI.
>>30090467>Reefling ClanLet's try to get in contact with them. Maybe we can trade robotics tech for resources.
>>30090467well then. lets see if we can over hear any comm signals from the reefling clan. see if we can ID any leaders and get a better understanding of their language.
>>30090400>Introducing yourself as a powerful empire who hate the UGEI.That's one suggestion so far.>Listen in and spy on themIs another.>>30090447There are several different sects of Losirian gang violence. These >>30090467 I listed are the 'big running gangs' who 'own' the businesses around the place. There are still civilian sects of Losirian. Just like not every human is in the mafia, you see?
>>30090467Contact Reefling clan, and kill/devour Razorskin clan.We shall unite their people.
>>30090530You mean: Seee?With the mafia drawl.Also, I vote we listen in.I think we can maybe come to work with the Reefling clan.
>>30090478>One planetTrue, but they're still the 'leading government'.Think of it like, an overarching heirarchy that all lesser clans respect. You could always try to buddy up with their lessers, but they would be reasonably frightened of getting on the Council's bad side. Very frightened. Their 'president' is also their 'Pope' in other words.
>>30090467>>30090530I agree with the others and contact the Reefling Clan to get introduced to mainstream Losirians.Also, ask what help they need against the UGEI, and provide to boost relations.
>>30090566Ah, thought we only got a connection with the planetary governor or something local like that.To remember next time: Make contact with local governor/clan/little people first and get friendly with them before we start talking with the higher-ups.I'm in support of >>30090586
>>30090530This and>ID leaders of the Reefling and try to speak with them about trade.Is another idea.It seems consensus is approaching>1 Introduce yourself as a high rolling Empire to the Reefling Clan to try and show off some muscle>2 Listen in and spy on the Reeflings more closely, for now. Learn a little more about them. (takes a bit of time)>3 Contact them normally and simply see if you can discuss trade>4 Write in(1d100)
Rolled 17>>300906522
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>>30090652>2Then X-Ray.
Rolled 72>>30090652>2 Listen in and spy on the Reeflings more closely, for now. Learn a little more about them. (takes a bit of time)I guess, on the side of safety
Rolled 26>>30090652>>2 Listen in and spy on the Reeflings more closely, for now. Learn a little more about them. (takes a bit of time)
Rolled 10>>30090652>2 Listen in and spy on the Reeflings more closely, for now. Learn a little more about them. (takes a bit of time)
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>>30090680Very nice And it also seems to be unanimous nearly.With that, you will study them through the next cycle or so, and learn enough to make persuading them later much much easier.For now, after setting up your observers, you decide it's time to check out X-ray, an old friend you haven't visited in some time.What would you like to contact the DJ about? You can hear he's in the middle of a broadcast even now, which is some sort of tirade about how Nethl-Os are the worst breakfast cereal to ever grace the Fringe. You're not quite certain what this has to do with news though...>What would you like to say?
>>30090652>2
>>30090748Overview his past programs. See what's the state of the UGEI after the technology trade, hopefully they are getting stronger.Also, remind me to tell Apollo to start creating OS upgrades and other software to strengthen the UGEI economy and give us easier access to their net.Can we also send an expedition party to the Rane system, to secure the gas planets?
>>30090748We'll wait until his rant is over.Then we talk about recent events, such as relate to the UFW and UGEI. Like the big fight, and we can ask how the technologies we handed off are doing in being integrated.Then we can ask the DJ if he, or his listeners, have any questions they'd like to pose to the Guild.
>>30090748Ask him about the current news, what's going on the UFW.
>>30090803You mean UFW.We're at war with the UGEI.
>>30090838Oh, yeah, I meant that.
>>30090748Say this: "It's been too long sense i was here, i hope you don't mind if i drop by and let you and the callers allow me to do an "Ask Mr. Ophion Anything" session with my favorite Host anywhere!"
>>30090831We can just look at his program history for that.
>>30090852Ehh, I don't really want to do that. Maybe let him interview us like he's done in the past.
>>30090894Agree with this
>>30090748Express our eternal love for him and his program, but lament that society's standards will ever keep us apart.
>>30090894fine, i we can do an interview, but see if we can set up an "AMA" event later. that would be amusing.
>>30090812Oh, we should also mention that one of our 'children' recently came of age, and has entered the 'family business'.
>>30090974Nah, that's not necessary.
>>30090939>gb2reddit
>>30090995maybe later though. Kronos will be more prominet in being a face of the guild in the future. we should introduce him in due time on X-Ray's show so the UFW will know about him.
>>30090939I'd like an AMA where we take calls from regular people too.
>>30090894Sounds good to me.
>>30091084As amusing as it would be, one does not toss one's child on stage and expect him not to wet himself. He just got enlightened, we'll do it next time.
>>30090995It'd be neat, though.
>>30090803>ProgramsYou notice he has some of Apollo's products, as well as a number of rather mundane items. There is also an order for several dozen pizzas that he sent to someone on Nethlos. You're not quite sure how he made that one, but his credits account wasn't the one charged for it. It must be a rather old fashion place.Otherwise in more useful trades, the UFW are upgrading their fleets, and they're far more effective because of it. They have a solid fleet base, though it still takes supplies to keep their ships in tact, of course.>Rane SystemRed is scheduled to do some scouting already, yes.>>30090812>>30090831You decide to wait till the DJ is done with whatever strange crazy ramblings he is focused on."And that, ladies and gents, is why you do NOT ride anything with eight legs that comes from the Yavish Depths. And that was one of my favorite songs back on my old homeworld. Peace and love, ya'll. Cept to those assholes. You know the ones."And with that, he prepares to turn off the mic. Before that, you integrate yourself with the system more closely to speak with the man, catching his attention and quite literally startling him."Well hello there Mr Man. It's been a while since I've seen you around, hadn't it?" He starts to laugh in a very dramatic manner. "Ahh, it's good to see you sweetcheeks. How've you been? Out there saving millions of more lives, uplifting humanity, and just generally doing that voodoo that you doo?" He says bright and smiling back at your monitor, to which you reply with a somewhat reluctant"Yes...I believe. So?" He say, quite honestly not sure what you're saying yes to. "It is a pleasure to be back however, Mr X-ray, I-""Whoawhoawhoawhoa now. Hold up. Did I hurt your feelings or somethin, Guild Mastah? Don't you DARE start calling me Mr. I bet I'm way younger then you are." He fans his hand. "Or maybe I'm not? Hell, I say you tell our listeners out there how beautiful you are." He grins, pulling the mic closer.
>>30091114yea, it is for later however. >>30091088this would be great all around. man, we could make an entire thread out of that, maybe.
You try and nervously evade his rather personal and strange implications."Rather, I am hoping the UFW is doing well since I last spoke with you." You turn the topic around. It works, and the man hoots loudly, shaking his head."You know it baby! We have all sorts of new toys to play with, and then some! With some of that med tech you gave us, I'm pretty sure you saved little Timmy's life out there at LEAST several hundred thousand times! That makes you several hundred thousand times as beautiful as any other hero I've known. Except maybe my pops." He pauses, a rare thing for him. "Actually, you're right on up there with my pops. Better, even. I love my dad but he never saved several billion people from certain doom by the soulless corporation race know as the U.G.E.I." He draws out every letter."Why thank you for your kind words." You nod simply. "Is there anything specific going on around the UFW, I wonder?" You pose."What, you want to start helping kittens out of trees too now? Man, you are an unstoppable MACHINE aren't you? Woo wee!" He shouts more with a series of laughs to follow. "I'll tell you folks, fairy tales don't get no more real then this. You best be telling your little girl sweet tales of the glorious swordsman Guild Master who slayed the awful dragon of greed. Don't worry about weird names, and just keep telling the story if she asks about it. The details ain't important. Except to our hero here, Ophion." He leans forward, seemingly satisfied with his broadcast. "And with that, it's a great time to put on the newest solo by Jeremiah Blinks, Getting Caught in Acid Storms Down by the Borderline."
>>30091222Am sorta fading folks. Go ahead and ask some last few things and let's see if we can't wrap up some stuff.
>>30091205"i'll let this one slip and say yes, you are indeed older than me Mr. X-Ray. I may direct the Guild, but i do try to be polite. Dear listeners, how have you been? I do apologize for being away form here for so long. I have been rather busy lately. today, i feel i should try to answer any questions our good host here has for me today."
Are there many private starships in UFW space? I was thinking we could sell small freighters and such with upgraded jump drives. I imagine they would sell well in the UFW.
>>30091295Let's not address the listeners. I'd rather this be a one on one with Ophion and X-ray.
>>30091205Ok cool, so I guess Red will give us the intel of the Rane system next week/cycle.
>>30091295That doesn't sound like something Ophion would say tbh
>>30091295>>30091338Cut the direct adressing of the listeners, and ask X-Ray if he's considered anything to ask us, and if his listeners have anything to ask as well. We have time for some questions.Also, we should chuckle when admitting he's older than us. It's funny.
>>30091297Not a ton, but you could sell such things for credits, if you wanted to, sure.>>30091317That he will.Since it seems things are winding down...>Next Cycle spendingJust gonna make sure.>1 More defenses (Minerals cost)>2 Ships Cost (cost more to jump fleet)>3 Save resources>4 Build Nukes (same as last thread, for purposes of bombardment>5 Write inPick the ones you want, folks!Ah, and thank all of you who joined me for this thread. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Give me some feedback, comments or questions until the thread 404s if you like, I'll usually catch it, if I don't pass out and try to answer.If you wanna catch future threads@AIQuest1 is a twitter I update.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=A.I.%20QuestArchived a while back, in case anyone wanted.
>>30091395>>3 Save resources>>30091395>Not a ton, but you could sell such things for credits, if you wanted to, sure.I would think they would have more freelancers since they're against large businesses and government.
>>30091244Where did you get the idea to start every quest with a single short sentence?I'm loving it.Also, we should buy some property on UGEI planets and start education centers and dig some holes beneath them to store our upcoming Bandwidth Blocks in.
Rolled 57>>30091395>3 Save ResourcesMo point building ships if we can't move most of them.
>>30091391He asks you pretty mundane questions, but you do your best to answer, and he very much does his best to make them entertaining.I am now picturing him asking you if you like pizza and Ophion saying yes, but not fast enough to stop the pizza rant.X-ray's fun to write for, heh.The most serious things he'd ask would probably revolve around how the Guild is 'kicking ass'. Ophion would simply assure him that the UGEI are getting it kicked all across the Fringe, especially after that last fight.>UFW anthem kicks inAll thanks to the UFW's quick thinking.
>>30091222I want to hear from you. I have a number of things my R&D have on their plate. but i would like to hear what you Mr. X-Ray and your thoughts what the UFW need or want for me to make next? I want to hear about taking the fight back to the UGEI, and i am not just talking about a hit here, a strike there, i mean, do they want to help me take a world intact? does the UFW have the stomic to help change the sector map?"
>>30091395Question, will we be ready to start constructing the data bunkers next turn, or is the research held up because we are upgrading Metis? I just want to save resources for the data bunker.Otherwise, spend what's left over after the saving for ships and defenses.What kind of stuff can we buy in the UFW with credits? Minerals? Private security/mercenaries/freelancers? Can we tell Apollo to create OS and other software upgrades to strength the UFW's economy, and allow for easier access to their networks?
>>30091395>ShipsWe should beef up our fleet.
>>30091395I want to save resources for an AI manufacturing plant.
>>30091395>5 Write inmake a couple of gas refinerys but other wise same resources
>>30091443Oh yeah, we need to start issuing grants to the academy to influence their education. Give grates for "cyber-defense" and stuff to they're be more useful for us later.Also, start recruiting from the academy.
>>30091513Changing this to>>30091531We need more gas!
>>30091424That's what I'm saying, they do have some, but most freelancers are considered pirates, heh.Not all pirates are about looting trade routes. Some of em just target xeno ships, or UGEI shipments.>>30091443Heh, well, I wanted something to stand out in the OP, and a single sentence separate from the rest of the text block stands out.I like it. Glad to hear it works.>>30091470Some quick answers..hmX-ray would be pretty damn impressed with you having an R & D team, and say that explains why you were able to get such sweet ass gear.The main thing the UFW needs? Tech. Any tech they get helps improve their bases. Too bad they're also reluctant to accept automation.>>30091500Research will indeed be held up because Metis is evolving.But it should move even faster afterwards, if that helps.>Save ResourcesSeems to be winning. Very well.>Credit pricesHm...wellMercs: YesMinerals: YesGas: Iffy. The UFW is still gas starved, despite their new income. Not a lot to go around>Apollo: Well he sorta has already. But you can certainly assign him to craft better security systems for the UFW, but uh...either he'd need an upgrade to do it, (A.I.), or you'd need to give him more bandwidth.
>>30091526We are not at that stage yet. Rather save or spend on ships and defenses>>30091572What's the market price on minerals at the moment? Like buy/sell rates?Can we identify merc and decide who to hire for private security? Also, identify anti-UGEI pirates with good reputations and ethical standing so we can arm them with better tech and possibility hire them?
>>30091395>5Half our gas-income on Wombats, Melissas and Triremes, equally.Then create as many defensive platforms as we can this turn and place them at all high-value targets and places that are high at risk from either UGEI, Losirians or Ishtooy.
>>30091450heck! we should ask if our drinks taste alright? we could say this "I've been told i'm a rather bright fellow. And i have a huge list of ideas to make real. but i am one fellow here. I need some help to make my dreams real. So, you young bright and young minds over at the acadamy, you want to try to make the my ideas take flight? job applicaitons are open.
>>30091572In that case we definitely need to save up our gas. Say, how many minerals would an Orbital cost?
