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Mostly because Tia seems quite determined to make sure you will have constant reminders. "Again." She demands, rolling over you.

"It's morning, Tia." You protest, not without some effort to resist the temptation. "It's LATE morning." You add, glancing outside of the window- er, outside of the hole in the wall. The sun is already high in the sky.

"...so?" She asks, clearly missing your point. "We can't continue?"

"We have things to do." Really, this girl.

"Yes. Yes we do." She nods sagely.

"I meant OTHER things!" Her deadpan delivery makes it hard for you to tell when she's joking. She pouts in response, but slips out of the bed and into her dress as you prepare for the day.

> make plans for the day with Tia
> go see Amata in the throne room
> go see Irene on the walls
> go see Samiel in the courtyard
> go see Mikahil in the archives
> call for Millian
> go to the docks
> go to the barbarian's camp
> go downtown
> leave town, head to the volcano
> other?

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>Who are we?
Maka, an exiled noble recently Exalted as a Zenith-caste Solar. She's in the western city of Tianna as a guest of queen Amata (DB), an old friend. Abyssals are targeting the city for conquest, Lintha pirates have infiltrated it with spies and agents, and half the island is controlled by paranoid lunars.
Said Lunars have agreed that they'll help if we can find help for them: they want to drive some Fae from the island's swampland.

>Solar? Zenith? I don't know Exalted...
This quest is as newbie-friendly as possible, and I want it to work as a newbie's intro to Exalted. If you have ANY question, ask in thread. For the setting, google "1d4chan exalted".

>Archive?
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=zenith

>System?
Dicepool-like system. When performing an action, everyone rolls 1d10 when posting. the first X rolls are considered, where X is equal to attribute + ability. Yes, this means that the more people are posting, the stronger Maka is, up to a limit of her attribute + ability.

>XP?
Attributes cost [current score x5] xp. Abilities cost [current score x3] xp, except Zenith costing [(current score x3) -1]. Charms cost 10 xp, except for Zenith-based charms (related to charisma and physical/mental fortitude) which cost 8 xp. At the end of every "session" (thread) you will be presented with a list of possible acquisitions.

>Twitter?
@exaltedfag

Also, I've heard some people arguing that I wasn't very clear on Iron Kettle Body, since I didn't say that it lowered damage only down to a min. of 1 (not 0). And they're right, I explained myself poorly.
Let's fix this: possible options are:
-it replaces Iron Skin and thus can't stack with it
-you replace it with another charm
-you get a refund
-other?

>>30648446
> go see Amata in the throne room
Let's see what she needs us to do for the day.

>>30648446
> call for Millian
We're gonna need new more sturdy accomodations
then
> go see Amata in the throne room
We're gonna need to apologize for the destruction and presumably keeping the entire castle up last night

we can head to the volcano after that

>>30648446
> call for Millian
Sure, improve that bed.
> go see Amata in the throne room

>>30648446
> go see Amata in the throne room
Let's apologize for fucking her castle up.

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>>30648446

> call for Millian

>>30648420
>Ask for Tia to spend the day as a male
>Call for Millian and more wine

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You get dressed as well, and wash up a bit. After a quick breakfast, the two of you head to the throne room, where Amata is already in the middle of her working day. You interrupt a discussion she's having with a few messengers and magistrates, most of which drop anything they were talking about when you walk in.

"You're going to keep that dress?" Amata asks right away. "I thought it was just for yesterday."

You hadn't thought about it, but... "Well, it's comfy and cool, and it's easy to move in." You consider, doing a little spin.

She nods, and you're reminded that it used to be HER dress. "Well, You can keep it if you want. So, did you need anything, other than asking for a repair crew?"

"I, uh..." Well, of course she knows. It must've been anything but subtle.

"Don't worry about it too much... for now." She concedes. "But if you intend to damage my castle every night like this, I'll have to move you in the courtyard." She thinks about it a second. "...Maybe I can sell tickets."

Thankfully, she doesn't dwell on the subject for long. "So, have you decided how to make good on your promise to Talon, to find allies against the Fae?"

"I still need my drinking cup made from a Fae prince's skull." Tia reminds you of her needs. You roll your eyes a bit.

What was it that you decided yesterday...?

>Find volunteers in town
>Travel to the northern archipelago, recruit a pirate crew
>Go and visit the volcano god
>Go and see Mikahil and ask for his assistance
>Make a request to Amata (what?)
>Other?

>>30648446
>go see Samiel in the courtyard

If it replaces Iron Skin, is the new minimum 0?

>>30648962
>Gather Mikhail and visit volcano god

Pele demands a sacrifice!

>>30648962
>>Travel to the northern archipelago, recruit a pirate crew

Yarrrrr

>>30648975
This

>>30648974
yes

>>30648962
>You consider, doing a little spin.

Man, we just flashed the whole room, didn't we?

I like this dress. We need a drawfag in here.

Anyway, vote is
>Travel to the northern archipelago, recruit a pirate crew

We're a Zenith, leading people is what we do.

Also, it might get us experienced sailors to build a new navy with.

>>30648975
>Go and see Mikahil and ask for his assistance
Good start.
Possibly ask to meet the city god before you go, and see who else he/she would suggest you can bother on the island.

>>30648962
See if Mikahil has time to visit the god.
If yes, god and then pirates, otherwise go to the pirates first

>>30648962
>Go and see Mikahil and ask for his assistance
This is timed, we can become a pirate queen afterwards but he'll only be here for the day.

>>30648962
>Travel to the northern archipelago, recruit a pirate crew
Let's do this one first, it seems fun.

>>30648962
we should also talk to Zaan today before he is off on his merry way.

Zaan is probably the one to approach about a civil cooperation between the three rivers and Tiana , in contrast to Talons military bend.

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>>30648962

>Travel to the northern archipelago, recruit a pirate crew

Lets convince those nice pirates to mend their ways.

>>30649072
>>30649044
>>30649038
>>30649027
>>30649019
>>30648975
>>30648992

So, Volcano then Pirates? Works for me.

>>30648962
>Go and visit the volcano god
>Go and see Mikahil and ask for his assistance
He said he's see the volcano god with us together

>>30649088
I'm not particularly interested in recruiting the pirates as much as letting Tia take a bath in severed limbs and blood.

>>30649115
wat

>>30648962
If we go to talk to volcano god what are we going to bargain?

I suggest we talk to Amata, and perhaps Three River lunar about having any executions be a bath in the volcano, unless said person would survive it. If they are executed due to necessity before that than a substitute in livestock.

Another thing we could bargain is to have our cult one the island one day dedicated to her, sacrificing livestock or animals, according to their means.

Its not humans but its something. And at the same time she gets rid of the Raska on her island and is seen in a positive light by the general inhabitants.

>>30649228
Such execution also destroys the remains. So there would need to be a priest there to consecrate the executed before he gets thrown in. Also if he got executed before hand the remains could be consecrated and then thrown in with the substitute livestock.

A way to get rid of the ones needed execution in a way that said fuck you you get to be erased from ever existing, not even the ground you are worthy to fertilize.

>>30649228
I think "we'll kill the Raksha" is more than enough, maybe add making one day in our future cult a day dedicated to her

(gotta short afk, answer soon)

>>30648962
Ask Mikahil for his assistance with the volcano goddess.

I don't have a problem with trying to recruit pirates, but this is the one and only day that Mikahil is available to help us on this matter, so we NEED to make that our priority today.

I'd we still want to recruit pirates after that, we can do it tomorrow.

>>30649228
Promising to get rid of the Fair Folk would help. Lunars may hate the Raksha, but gods/spirits both hate AND fear them. See, the Raksha want to unravel any given god's domain back into unshaped wyld and unmake the god in the process. They're literally the antithesis to gods, beings designed to manage and survive in an ordered world.

But yeah, something to sweeten the deal would be nice. Animal sacrifice, perhaps, maybe even a promise to try to beat one of our enemies nearly to death on her caldera then throw it in as a sacrifice. Just keep in mind that any promise we make with Mikahil around will end up being magically binding - to both us and the goddess - so we want to be careful only to promise things we're willing to be forced to do.

>>30649717
We could offer to build a solars celestial manse on the slopes of the volcano.
And sleep there occasionally. In the nude. Next to a window.
But seriously, any god would be honored by such a generous proposition.

As for this cult idea... why dont we just amend the already ubiquitous immaculate faith to say exalted are good, but there are levels of better exalted.
Solars are awesome.

>>30649785

From what I know of the immaculate faith. Most of the religion is good, its just the whole "The Dragonblooded are masters of all and you must bow down to them."

Also we shouldn't preach that the realm is evil, that's the quickest way to get invaded and Wyld hunted.

>>30649785
>We could offer to build a solars celestial manse on the slopes of the volcano.
Only if the volcano is a demense - which, if it is, we should definitely build a palace-manse factory-cathedral and let her oversee Orichalcum refinement.

I really don't like the idea of being hierarchically lauded as 'higher' than Dragon-blooded. Our attitude of authority is based much more on the fact that we're royalty than the fact that we're exalted.

Personally, I want our religion to be built around the idea that prayer actually can pay for miracles. I want to develop a special Zenith Performance charm that lets us lead a group prayer to supercharge the essence flow from our cult. That lets our subjects bow down and pray to us and that, in turn, gives us the power flow necessary to walk among the crowd granting miracles, or to have a dramatic fight against a ton of people as long as we keep loudly leading the prayer collectively happening in the city below.

A religion built around the idea that the people themselves are - in a big way - the source of their champion's strength, and vice versa. Less hierarchy, and more mutual reliance.

That said, I've got no clue how that charm would work. Regain one Essence per turn as long as we keep leading the prayer? Per minute?

Hell, how does Cult actually work in this quest?

>>30649883
>>30649785
Maka likely has no idea on how to actually build a factory-cathedral, let alone a manse. Unless she somehow got past life flashback since she asked Irene about what they were We should promise things we can physically do, since we will be supernaturally binded to whatever that will be.

>>30649454
Hey, not sure if this little point is welcome or not, but the Twitter's not too useful if you're just posting links there. The main purpose I would find it useful for is posting things like 'Next thread tomorrow/[date] at approximately X-o-clock' or 'Tomorrow's thread canceled for reasons.' I can totally understand not wanting to invest in that twitter that much, though.

"I think I'll go and visit the volcano goddess." You say.

She nods. "Keep in mind something." She points her finger at you. "I'm not going to make unrealistic concessions to her."

"What do you mean?" You ask, wondering if this is going where you think it does.

"I'm not going to give her human sacrifice from Tianna."

"Not even criminals?" You wonder.

"I've seen how that works in Wavecrest. You know what happens when there are no people guilty of capital crimes in jail, but the god wants his monthly sacrifice anyway?"

"...Someone guilty of lesser crimes gets it?" You guess.

"Precisely. Either that, or, somehow, there are always enough traitors and murderers to keep the jails full. It's a slippery slope, Maka, and not one I intend to put one foot on.

"What CAN I promise her?"

She shrugs. "A festival in her honor once a year. A single-day one, not more. Bonfires and dances or whatever she fancies. Oiled-up bitches dancing in the street, I dunno. As long as it doesn't get rowdy. Other than that... a shrine in Tianna, with one dedicated priest or priestess of her choice. A head of cattle once a season." She gives you a dry smile. "But nothing more. If there's a lesson the Immaculate Order is right in teaching, is that you don't encourage gods. Give them too much, and they start thinking they really ARE gods."

You blink. "Aren't they?"

"Well, yes, but that's no excuse for acting like dicks. Someone has to keep them in their place. There are heavenly censors that SHOULD be doing that as their full-time job, but they're either overworked or corrupt or bullied in a corner, so everything's gone to Malfeas and back." She sighs. In any case, best of luck with this volcano business. Try not to cause an eruption."

"I'll try." You nod a goodbye and leave.

"You could just punch her." Tia helpfully suggests as you both walk out of the castle.

"I'm not sure that would work." You note. "I mean, she's a goddess. She's probably dematerialized."

"Punch her in the soul."

>>30650011
>Oiled-up bitches dancing in the street, I dunno.

Have I ever mentioned I *love* this Queen?

>>30650011
>"Punch her in the soul."

I love our waifu

>>30650011
>She shrugs. "A festival in her honor once a year. A single-day one, not more. Bonfires and dances or whatever she fancies. Oiled-up bitches dancing in the street, I dunno. As long as it doesn't get rowdy. Other than that... a shrine in Tianna, with one dedicated priest or priestess of her choice. A head of cattle once a season."
That's basically what she'd get in an Immaculate nation.

Normally you need several Dragonblooded to punch the god in the face until the god agrees to that.

Luckily we've got a couple of Solars and three Lunars, so we can probably get the job done.

>>30648420
So, are we going to be changing/refunding Iron Kettle Body, or is that a discussion for the end of the thread?

For those not clued in on this, we noticed that after voting on and acquiring our now power, that a clause appeared in Iron Kettle Body which makes all attacks still do a minimum of one point of damage. This makes it useless for wading into a sea of mooks or soaking damage from exalts who aren't bothering with damage-boosting charms - the specific reasons we wanted it. Personally, I'm not mad about it getting that change - not informing us was probably an oversight on EF's part, since that's a dumb thing to be intentionally tricky about - but I definitely wouldn't have voted for that power as it's currently written.

My preference is to trade it back for the experience we spent on it - that's nice and easy, after all - but ExaltedFag seems to be willing to edit its text further to make it more useful/in line with its original intention.

Thoughts?

>>30650028
>>30650031
I love them both

We need to get them in our bed, at the same time, tonight.

>>30650031
Technically, WE are HER waifu.

>>30650052
>tonight
I'm pretty sure we want to sleep at least once every other day

>>30650042
I know nothing about Exalted and this is my first exposure to it, but yeah, that is in no way shape or form what we wanted.

If either solution bring about what our original goal for it was, then I'd be happy with that.

>>30650042

From what I remember Zeniths powers are 8 xp as opposed to out of caste powers which are 10xp.

To be honest I think we should keep the power because we are going to run into damage stacked enemies and I rather have a soak power sooner rather then later.

We only got 2 xp to go until we get the Husband Seducing demon dance, which is what we wanted after all.

>>30650325
>We only got 2 xp to go until we get the Husband Seducing demon dance, which is what we wanted after all.
I never wanted it, also Iron Kettle actually negate this setting bonus from weapon quality so it isn't that bad imho

>>30650367
Agreeing with this.

>>30650325
I really disagree, if for no other reason than the fact that what we voted for is, ultimately, not what we got. It's also, fairly explicitly, useful ONLY if an enemy has damage-boosting charms, and even then, it just makes them not-use their charms, while we've had to spend Essence - and they haven't.

That said, the QM said in Exalted General that he might be interested in changing it into a permanent, non-stacking upgrade of Iron Skin Concentration as its balancing factor instead. Personally, I prefer that option. It would do what we wanted it to do - letting us wade into a crowd of mooks without pissing away essence, and forcing exalts to spend essence on damage-boosters if they want to take us down - while balancing it by not leaving us an option to completely soak away Damage 2 attacks.

If he goes with that change, I would be on board for it. If not, I would rather just do the refund, because with the refund, we could pick up both Husband-Seducing Demon Dance and be only 2 xp away from Respect-Commanding Attitude as well.

Basically what I'm saying is that Iron Kettle Body, as it currently stands, it simultaneously not what we voted for, doesn't serve the purpose we wanted it for, and isn't worth the xp we spent on it.

I think that just refunding it would be easiest - and I'm saying that as someone who was pushing hard for Iron Kettle Body in the previous thread - but if the QM wants to change it to be a little more useful, that's good too.

(On a tablet now, posting gonna be slow. Apologies)

"...I don't know how to punch souls."

"Zaan can, in case things will go badly." She informs you. Useful information.

As usual, a small crowd follows you across town. You mostly ignore them, and they keep their distance anyways. Perhaps someday you should spend some time in Tianna, trying to understand what the opinion of you is.

Some other day, perhaps. Right now, you look up at the hilly landscape and the distant mountains west of Tianna, past the farmland surrounding the walled city, towards the tall profile of the volcano. A wisp of smoke ries from the flat top.

"...maybe we should ask for horses from the city guard." You consider. "By foot it's almost a day away."

"Oh, I can carry you." Tia replies casually.

"...you can run that fast?" You wonder, worrying that you might regret asking that question.

She grins proudly, and, under your eyes, her form shifts and bends and twists horrifyingly. Her dress vanishes, and she becomes much larger, dropping down on all-fours as her tattoos glow a bright blue-white in spurts and flashes.

A few seconds later, a huge white wild stallion is staring back at you in her place.

"...It's going to get a while to get used to this shapeshifting business." You shake your head.

> ride Tia to the volcano.
> ask her to return human, borrow normal horses.
> ask her to return human, walk.
> ask her to take another form.

>>30650391
>Damage boosting charm
>Or the extra damage per scene weapon of exceptional quality and the several extra damage per scene artifact weapon get for free
I still don't want Husband-Seducing Demon Dance

>>30650426
We still need to get Mikahil.

>>30650426
>> ride Tia to the volcano.
We should *always* Ride Tia.

>>30650391
Scenelong, not permanent.

>>30650426
ask if she can do that on the way back as well, we don't want to waste time walking, if so
> ride Tia to the volcano.

>>30650426
> ride Tia to the volcano.
The more useful we let her be, the happier she is

>>30650426
>Ask her if she has a more fuzzy form to take that could carry us
>Ride Tia to the volcano

>>30650433
Spending essence on a scene-long charm to ignore one damage per scene and my our opponents not bother wasting essence on damage-boosting charms - leaving them with essence to spend on hitting more often or using their own defenses - is not a worthwhile use of our essence or our experience.

>>30650443
Ah, right, sorry, I see I was unclear. I meant that it was permanently upgrading the charm, not that it was changing the charm to have a permanent duration.

>>30650438
yes, he said he'd help with the goddess, so lets get him

>>30650438
Yes, we do. The whole reason we're doing this today is because we want Mikahil's help - and he would be a huge help.

>>30650426
seconding >>30650438 & >>30650461

we can let Mikahil ride a normal horse, we can ride Tia

>>30650426
> ride Tia to the volcano.
We should ask what other forms she can take too. Especially fluffy ones.

>>30650426
>ride Tia to the volcano.

>>30650426
>Wild stallion
>stallion
it's gonna be too busy trying to fuck us to carry us. Get a mare or a gelding.

>>30650459
>Spending an essence per scene to prevent someone from using damage charms or artifact weapons to kill us in three turns instead of the usual five (assuming everything hits and damage) is a bad investment
I disagree

>>30650426

>>30650438 yeah, seconding/thirding

>>30650461
>>30650474
>>30650476
he is the one who told us to do this and said he'd help us, it would be stupid to do it without him

>>30650438
...I hate working on a tablet. I wrote a line about that, and the touchscreen keyboard ate it.

Basically: Before leaving the city, you go and cpnsult him. He says that he has to finish a thing, but he'll meet you there. He seems very confident in his ability to get there fast enough.

(Wasn't written quite like that, but I can't recover it)

>>30650508
>I disagree
That's 100% fair, but I, personally, would never have voted for Iron Kettle Body if it originally had that clause. I have a feeling that a lot of other people might agree too. That's why I think just refunding the experience would be easier - we can have a brand new vote at the end of the thread to see if we still want to pick it back up again.

That seems a reasonable way of handling this - unless Exaltedfag is interested in changing the charm's text again.

Do you disagree on that front too?

>>30650534
excellent, then we shall meet him there on our noble steed

>>30648420
...We need to get some maiden tea if we keep this pace up.

>>30650426
>ask her to return human, borrow normal horses.
"I'm not going to use you as an animal mount, Tia. That's incredibly degrading to you, and I don't want you to degrade yourself for my comfort."

No? Everyone else wants to use her as a beast of burden? For fuck's sake, people.

>>30650555
While I agree that we might have to redo a vote, I refuse to have it retroactively changed to Husband-Seducing Demon Dance, to me it sounds more like "Oh man my choice didn't get picked last thread and I now have the opportunity to have it without a vote so I'll take it."

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>>30650599
I'm not that worried about it. If she wants to carry us, fine.

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>>30650426

Its a pity that we don't know IC about the Zenith's oath power.

It would be the only way to make the damn god keep its word

>>30650601
>I refuse to have it retroactively changed to Husband-Seducing Demon Dance
Nobody's suggesting that. We're suggesting getting a refund and a revote, with the possibility that we might spend the XP on something else instead. For real, I was all over Iron Kettle Body, and I personally detest the idea of using Unnatural Mental Influence, not to mention that we don't have something like Tiger Warrior Training Technique to take advantage of it yet.

But I also don't find Iron Kettle Body, with that change (which really is an enormous change) to be worth our experience spent on it. Whether that means we pick up social charms, or that iron fists charm, or what have you, all I want is either a simple refund or for Exaltedfag to change it to something that actually fits the role we wanted it for.

The only reason I'm advocating a refund over an edit is because it's easier - I don't want to put Exaltedfag out any more than he already has been, and I don't really want to establish a precedent where we're retroactively altering how our powers work, whether at our vote or at the QM's decision. A simple refund - rather than editing a second time - seems easiest and simplest.

But I definitely understand where you're coming from. I don't want Husband-Seducing Demon Dance either. I just also don't want Iron Kettle Body as it's currently written. It's not what I voted for. I voted for a charm that makes people have to exert special effort to hurt us, and immunity to mooks.

>>30650660
That's an Eclipse Power, dood.

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>>30650660
That an Eclipse.

>>30650660
>Zenith's oath power
It's the Eclipse oath power, actually. Mikahil has that, not us.

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>>30650680
>>30650679
>>30650683


Wow, I got the caste wrong while posting a picture of the caste in question.

>>30650426
"City. People. Not used to Exalts."

Go somewhere secluded Tia back to human and see Mikhail

Also we are running around in a dress that was full of demon gore we took a bath with. And then was in a room we demolished via sex with lunar. I doubt that dress is anything more than rags. I do hope we took another one.

>>30650680
That is a Zenith.
>>30650660
That is a skinny eclipse.

Zenith are more punch ready and more sensible. Something Maka is currently not.

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With a bit of hesitation, you mount the large warhorse in front of you. He's incredibly docile (of course) and helps you climb up. You find you can easily hold on to him without a saddle or anything, and as soon as you're ready he leaps ahead and picks up a terrifying speed, far greater than any normal horse.

Past the farmland and what you'd call the "civilized" area around Tianna's walls, there is no path and no sign of human settlement or even transit. Jagged yet grassy hills grow harsher and harsher as you approach the foot of the mountains. The scenery flashes past you in a blur as Tia leaps practically from hilltop to hilltop, the volcano growing larger with every step.

Your ride runs uphill with little trouble, scaling the rocky slopes of the volcano, until you both reach the border of the caldera a few hours later.

You dismount, and Tia immediately transforms back. You notice the transformation doesn't even ruin or remove her dress, that reappears on her flawlessly.

You're standing on a narrow rocky edge, trapped between the harsh slope of the mountain, and a thirty-meters drop ending in a flat surface of red-hot rock.

You feel like that entire trip has been amazingly fast, and yet, Mikahil is not far from where you arrived, sitting on a rock not too far from you, reading a book. He hasn't noticed you, it seems.

>call him
>surprise him
>call for the goddess

>>30650781
Those are both Eclipses, actually.

And Zeniths are mostly just tough and charismatic, not punchy.

>>30650770
It's a Solar's clothing.

It only breaks if it's thematically appropriate.

>>30650781
Those are both Eclipses. Look at the damn caste mark.

>>30650426
>ask her to return human, walk.
It gives us an excuse to talk, and take a 'break' or two

>>30650790
>Call him

>>30650790
>You feel like that entire trip has been amazingly fast, and yet, Mikahil is not far from where you arrived, sitting on a rock not too far from you, reading a book. He hasn't noticed you, it seems.
Motherfucking Ride charms.

>call him
We want him to take point, as far as liaising with the goddess is concerned. We need him to mediate.

>>30650790

>call him
Lets not surprise him. He's probably lived a life where surprises try to kill him

>>30650790
>call him

>>30650790
>call him

>>30650790
>>call him
lets get a rundown of dealing with gods 101

>>30650790
>call him

You walk up to Mikahil, and he puts the book away as he notices you. He looks like he's on even less sleep than he was yesterday. "Maka." He greets you.

"Rough night?" You ask.

"Noisy." He nods. "Should we start calling Dancing Smoke?"

"That's the name of the goddess?" You ask.

He mumbles affirmatively. "This is a fairly large and old volcano, so she's a comparatively powerful goddess. She's one of the borderline cases, on the matter-spirit line."

"Matter-spirit line?" You ask. Never heard about that.

"The distinction between gods and elementals. It's very clear in many cases, but a volcano god is somewhere between god and a fire elemental. Dancing smoke is around there. It's going to be hard: we'll have to be the ones in command, but at the same time not upset her too much. Not so much that she'll get mad. Don't expect her to stay always rational and reasonable and act in her own best interests at all times."

"...am I doing this? Or you are?"

"Your call." He replies. "Let's also decide how to call her. Pray to her, or issue an official request, or demand her presence."

>take charge
>support Mikahil

Combined with (Rolled action)
> pray to Dancing Smoke
> require Dancing Smoke's presence
> demand that Dancing Smoke manifest herself

>>30651072
>take charge
>require Dancing Smoke's presence
speak as equals, at least ostensibly. This is a business arrangement

>>30651072
>take charge
>request Dancing Smoke

>>30651072
>support Mikahil
he knows what he's doing

also, keep our hand over Tia's mouth

not sure on the differences of outcome from the other options but fuck it
> pray to Dancing Smoke

>>30651072
>take charge
>require Dancing Smoke's presence

>>30651072
>take charge
We need to be the one in charge, given the purpose of this whole thing.
> politely require Dancing Smoke's presence
Balanced suggestion seems fine.

>>30651085
Remember, you gotta roll 1d10s here.

Rolled 10

>>30651072
>take charge
>require Dancing Smoke's presence

>>30651072
>take charge
> require Dancing Smoke's presence
praying gives her control of the situation, demanding will piss her off.

Rolled 3

>>30651100
ah, sorry, thought you were calling for after vote was decided

Rolled 4

>>30651099
Rolling for this.

Rolled 2

>>30651072
seconding >>30651099

>>30651072
>support Mikahil
> require Dancing Smoke's presence
Let him do the talking, he's the professional negotiator. We two Solar Exalted require Dancing Smoke's presence as emissaries of the Highest of Holies.

Rolled 4

>>30651072
>take charge
>Request Dancing Smoke's presence

Rolled 3

>>30651072
Take charge
Require Dancing Smoke's Presence

Rolled 5

>>30651100
Here you go, then.

Rolled 4

>>30651118
Oh whoops, forgot to roll.

Rolled 1

all these shitty rolls...

Rolled 10

>>30651137
I know, right?

>>30651104
>>30651147
Thankfully 10s are 2 successes each.

Who knows how big our pool is, though.

Rolled 2

>>30651153
Well, it's either Zenith + Social or Eclipse + Social, which is 7 or 5, respectively.

>>30651072

>support Mikahil

>require Dancing Smoke's presence

>Other: Ask Tia to not threaten or act aggressively toward Dancing Smoke, even if it lashes out at us. This is important to us, and we'd rather be carried to safety by her than the other way around, should things go bad. Possibly while speaking softly to her, biting our lip, and softly stroking her cheek.

>>30651278
samefag, but expanding on the Other bit...

always, always cover your bases when you have an impulsive and/or hotblood type around.

Goddamn touchpad ate my entire post for three times consecutively. Depressed as fuck, considering smashing this damn thing with a hammer. Can't wait to get back to a normal pc.
Give me a bit, sorry. Meanwhile, let's talk xp and charms. Is the general concensus ok on the fixed Iron Kettle Body (min. Damage 0, replaces Iron Skin)? Or would you like to suggest something else?

>>30651539
I'm fine with either the fixed Iron Kettle Body or a refund, whichever you find easier. We haven't used it yet in-game, so it's no biggie either way.

>>30651539
That compromise works for me. Sorry to hear about the tablet issues, I know too well that particular pain...

>>30651539
I'm fine with that.

>>30651539
Well I was fine with the min damage 0 for extra and min damage 1 for everything else that was proposed yesterday, but as long as we get some decent damage reduction I'm fine with it

>>30651539
I'll go with what the more knowledgeable anons vote for.

Also, might wanna write up posts in a word processor, save it and copypaste it to 4chan

>>30651574
>Also, might wanna write up posts in a word processor, save it and copypaste it to 4chan
100% this. Get some kind of word processor app for your tablet.

Rolled 9

>>30651539
The fix sounds fine. You're doing a fine job, so whatever makes things easier for you.

>>30651654
Forgot to clear the e-mail field. Ignore that roll, please.

>>30651539
What kind of tablet fyou have? One of those app running pos or a tablet PC?

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(2 successes)

You clear your throat and approach the edge of the caldera. You'll have to learn how to deal with this sort of being sooner or later, and now is as good a time as any.

Tia is at your side, supporting you. "Remember." She reminds you. "Punch to the soul."

You take a deep breath and call out: "Dancing Smoke! I, Maka, Chosen of the Unconquered Sun, require your attention!"

A deep rumbling noise rises from the bottom of the earth, followed by a cloud of white smoke. As it drifts up to your level, it coalesces into a human shape, sporting godly and elemental signs of power: flames and horns and wings that sustain her physical shape, slowly flapping in large, sweeping motions.

"...my, a Prince of the Earth? On my Domain?" She chuckles coyly. "A grand honor indeed! To what do I owe it?"

(Rolled action)
> Require her assistance on a personal basis
> Require her assistance on the Lunars' behalf
> Require her assistance on Tianna's behals
> Ask her to pledge allegiance to you
> Propose a deal
> Other?

>>30651897
>Require her assistance on Tianna's behals

Rolled 10

>>30651897
> Require her assistance on a personal basis
> Propose a deal

>>30651673
The former.
>>30651670
Considering we're using a dicepool system, it's not important. In fact, it would be ok if you always rolled while posting because that would mean i always have rolls handy to reference.
>>30651574
Will try

Rolled 8

>>30651897
>Require her assistance on a personal basis
> Ask her to pledge allegiance to you

Rolled 5

>>30651897
> Require her assistance on a personal basis
> Ask her to pledge allegiance to you

question for my fellow exaltedanons, can we fuck her? and would that impress Tia?

Rolled 9

>>30651897
>Require her assistance on Tianna's behalf
We're trying to forge an alliance, not get a personal favor.

>>30651952
>question for my fellow exaltedanons, can we fuck her? and would that impress Tia?
Can we please not? This is a crazy bitch into human sacrifice. The idea of banging someone that fucking evil literally makes my dick into an innie.

>>30651952
That's some silly questions anon.

Yes to both.

>>30651952
I'd say yes, but how much do you want to bet she erupts when she...erupts. If you know what I mean.

>>30651969
But human sacrifice like slavery isn't evil in exalted.

Rolled 3

>>30651897
> Require her assistance on Tianna's behalf
>ask her to pledge allegiance
Also, TALK TO THE HEART
>>30651989
I'm against human sacrifice. I'm pro Liman sacrifice though.

Let's seduce her.
That would solve this problem.

Rolled 8

>>30651989
>But human sacrifice like slavery isn't evil in exalted.
...what? Yes it is. It's just still done anyway.

Exalted is a setting that lacks 'objective' evil, meaning things are only as evil or not-evil as they are in real life. And human sacrifice is only slightly less evil than child murder. Like, seriously, it's only of the most evil things I can imagine, if we're talking on a purely conceptual level.

The idea of banging a chick who's into human sacrifice turns me off more than I can describe. She is an utterly repugnant being, and the only reason we're talking to her is because we genuinely need her help.

Rolled 3

>>30651897
It's time someone fixes this damned Island and unifies it. And we cant have that with the Raksha on it.


Once that is done we can have some respectful dialogue to the future of the island with all concerned.
>wife lleadb
Yes capcha a wife leash. Some steamy sex orgy.

>>30652019
I get the feeling she mainly wants human sacrifice because that's what all the other volcano gods get.

>>30651996
I'm just pointing out that anon modern moral concern doesn't really fit with the moral of princess from Gem, even in exile.

>>30652019
Nah mate, it's the only reason 'you' are agreeing with the talk plenty of other people don't mind.

Rolled 9

>>30652033
she's just a misunderstood volcano goddess who wants attention and to fit in with the other volcano gods

Rolled 8

>>30651897
Well its time people did their jobs, Dancing smoke.
I intend to help the lunars out clearing the Raksha. I suggest you join me.

Once that deal is done without much we could offer some things from Amatas list as a sweetener for good relations, and than ensure that others outside Tiana pick it up.
>>30652019
Hate fuck man, hate fuck.

>>30652019
Personally, This is the sort of situation where UMIing her into reformation as our minion would be acceptable.

Rolled 4

>>30652033
I don't care why she wants it. The fact that she wants it puts her squarely in my 'hot but too crazy for me to actually be into' list. It's a profoundly evil thing to want - someone to be murdered as an act of praise to you.

Getting her assistance? Sure. Setting up a holiday for her? Also okay.

Fucking this piece of evil-crazy?

I sure fucking hope not.

Rolled 8

>>30651897
>> Require her assistance on a personal basis

Rolled 9

>>30652063
Indeed, she may try burn us into death considering her less than stable condition.

Rolled 4

>>30652063
heres a curious and not really serious question for you anon

what if sleeping with her 'cured' her of her want for sacrifices, would you do it them?

>>30652063
You realize that the god we follow, the UC, has had tens of thousand sacrificed in his honor?

Rolled 8

>>30652084
>what if sleeping with her 'cured' her of her want for sacrifices, would you do it them?
...yes? I guess?

But as she is now, she's an utterly disgusting person, even if she does have a hot body. Like, 'I find you as evil as the Lintha' disgusting. At least they have a motive for murdering and castrating people beyond 'to inflate my ego and essence pools.' The only thing that makes me more willing to deal with her is the fact that she isn't hostile to Tianna yet, otherwise I would want her on our chopping block too.

Rolled 3

>>30651897
> Require her assistance on a personal basis
> Propose a deal
Time to bargain with a volcano
Tell her our plans to wipe the fae off the island, and maybe that it'd be nice to put the fear of fire into them.

Rolled 3

>>30652130
And in 2e canon, they were sacrificed against his will, without him asking for it.

If we were working with the 1e Unconquered Sun assumption - the demi-Aztec pro-sacrifice sun god - I would be pretty against having sex or similar intimate closeness with him too.

>>30652084
Here's my thoughts for sacrifice. If she really needs it, see if she'll settle for being useful and honorably creating the dead. If she doesn't, try getting her to settle for "oiled-up bitches dancing in the street to proclaim their adoration for her" or sanctioned orgies and a priestly order.

Rolled 5

>>30651897

> Require her assistance on a personal basis
> Ask her to pledge allegiance to you

Time to get another serious ally. Well ok, a slightly crazy one.

Still it wants to burn things and there are Raksha on the island. We are offering as good as a chance as its going to get and even bring gifts for it.

Else we can always try punching and fucking.

>>30652171
We were allowed 1 head of cattle per season too if I recall correctly, though I'd rather we not show our whole hand too soon.

Rolled 2

>>30651926
>>30651941
>>30652158
>>30652066
>>30651952
Uh, guys? We don't need her assistance on a personal basis. We're trying to secure an alliance between her an Tianna, not an alliance between her and ourself.

Have you guys forgotten what we're doing here?

>>30652204
We were allowed to negotiate on the behalf of Tianna, but if we can do it ourselves without breaking the status quo for the Raksha and get her to defend Tianna from the deathknight as a separate matter all the better.

>>30652204
Why would we not want a personal alliance with a god? There's probably more things she can help with outside just the Fae situation, and she has an aggravated relationship with tianna already.

Rolled 10

>>30652204
>Require her assistance on Tianna's behalf
I can kind of see it both ways. Sure, we want her to help Tianna, but if they're on bad terms, maybe it'd be better to open up with her helping out a Lawgiver. More clout, less bad vibes.

Still, let's stick to business. Who knows how it'll shake out?

Rolled 8

>>30652248
>Why would we not want a personal alliance with a god?
I'm not saying we shouldn't want one, I'm saying the whole point of being here today is to secure an alliance with Tianna first and foremost.

>>30652204
>>30652266

Let put it this way anon.

If your friend ran a store that needed security and you went to get someone to help would you:

A) Ask on your friends behalf so that they protect the store for your friend
or
B) Ask on your behalf so that they're protecting the store because it belongs to a friend of yours.

Remember, Tianna pays the cost either way. So both have the same result but one gives us a personal advantage.

Rolled 7

>>30652171
that didn't answer my question...

I just wanted to know if hypothetically, she would stop the sacrifices if you fucked her, would you?

not even serious about current context, just purely hypothetical

Rolled 8

>>30652275
Except if we're asking for it on our own behalf, that means that the alliance is with us, meaning Tianna can't really negotiate independently if we're gone.

If, on the other hand, the alliance is actually with Tianna/Amata, we've created a stable situation that doesn't get damaged in the slightest when we leave/die.

That's the point.

It's the same reason why a diplomat/ambassador asks for other countries to enter into deals with the nations they represent, instead of asking for their nations to be helped as a personal favor to themselves.

>>30652275
don't forget that the store and the person you are asking for help are on rocky terms at best.

Could you guys calm your Hateboners at least until she asks for human sacrifice?
All we know is that Volcano Gods like human sacrifice, that's like hating an entire species because to them human flesh tastes better than anything else, even if the specific member of it your talking with has never even eaten human

Rolled 2

>>30652204
well aware of that, but as Amata said, relations between her and the goddess have not been great, we're a fresh neutral party, we get her to help us, we help Tianna, she helps Tianna without having to deal with the drama of helping Amata

politics anon

Rolled 6

>>30651897
>Require her assistance on Tianna's behals

>>30652275
No, in this case it would be more like.
You need someone help to do something your friend, while he has a bad relationship with that person, offer to make amend to help. Would you:

A) Use the bargaining chips given to you by your friend.

B) Attempt to handle it yourself while keeping the chips in had in case they are needed

If B succeed without the use of friend bargaining chips we can then attempt to smooth the relations between Friend and the person from whom you sought help.

Rolled 6

>>30652301
>>30652317
And we can save up the festival and shit for when we ask for help specifically for Tianna against the Abyssals and not doing her a favor and fighting for the whole island against the Raksha.

Rolled 6

>>30652337
Plus we could work that out in some kind of extra service with extending the vulcan festival to the whole island, Three Rivers, Pirates and Tianna into making the Vulcan Goddess also responsible for the supernatural protection of the island, or at leat the people that participate in the festival for her.

Rolled 5

>>30652313
>All we know is that Volcano Gods like human sacrifice
No, Amata said that this goddess in particular is into human sacrifices, and that she has been actively avoiding diplomacy with her for that reason. That's the equivalent of hating a person because they've requested in past meetings to eat your mortal retainers.

Rolled 7

>>30652369
>to eat your mortal retainers.
you mean criminals

Rolled 2

>>30652383
No, I mean 'literally anyone who happens to be around.' She requested human sacrifice, not 'criminal sacrifice.' It's the equivalent of the Lunars coming to last night's diplomatic meeting and saying, 'Hey, can you round up one of your citizens for us to eat?'

Sure, that could mean that the host then chooses a criminal. But that's not, specifically, what was asked for. Just any human, good or bad, young or old, what have you.

And that's fucking evil.

Or 'a failure to see humans as people.' And do you know what I call people who fail to see other people as actual people? Fucking evil.

>>30652335

Only thing is as a analogy this is pretty bad.

It's not simple or imminently intuitive mentally.

>>30652414
>I call people who fail to see other people as actual people?

You do know that gods aren't people, right?

Rolled 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz1VNbQYiTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_oQkSh2lq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt9M2ZGwOc0

This is a god primer for a nice priest starting up a religion or philosophy.

Rolled 2

>>30652435
>You do know that gods aren't people, right?
...yes they are. They're not humans, but they're still people. 'Human' and 'person' are not the same thing. 'Person' is anything that's sapient.

>>30652414
Is an active volcano, in and of itself, evil? Does the fact that it wants to fulfill its purpose or at least have that purpose simulated at a level meaningful to those begging it to sit on its thumbs rather than do something it finds fulfilling?

I'm not certain you're using the right metric to understand where she's coming from here.

Rolled 2

>>30652469
'Callously chucking someone into a volcano' is not the same 'purpose' as 'making magma flow down the sides of my hill.' And it's not a simulation of it either. A volcano's purpose isn't to kill people with magma, it's to sit there, grow the island, be hot, and be oozing with molten rock and metal.

So, yes, I would find a volcano that actively steers is magma flows into villages and cities instead of just doing what it normally does to be fucking evil.

>>30652469
Eck in >>30650660 deal Shark God asks to be allowed to eat everyone that fall in the water friend or foe to help during a sea battle it doesn't make it evil.

Rolled 3

>>30652491
Nope, vulcanos are supposed to erupt from time to time. Gods aren't supposed to make sure the world is nice to everyone, their job is to make sure that the world works like it's designed too.
It's like calling the God of murder evil because he's doing his job.

>>30652469
Either way, anything we offer her is more than she's getting now, and I'd be surprised if she was immovable about human sacrifice, especially if two Solars and a Lunar are there to make the offer, and one can make the agreement permanently binding under the laws of heaven.

>>30652514
Or calling the maiden of ending evil because she's doing her job.

Rolled 9

>>30652514
But they're not supposed to actively try to have people killed. A volcano that intentionally erupts at a village instead of just erupting as normal is fucking evil. A god of murder who, instead of handling his job normally, goes out of his way to have people ritually sacrificed in his honor is fucking evil.

The point isn't 'people dying because I did my job.' That's ethically questionable, and debatably neutral. The point is 'actively trying to increase death and suffering when it's not relevant to my job or purpose' is FUCKING EVIL. It's evil in the same way a human torturing an animal to death instead of killing it quickly for food is evil. It's evil in the same way a general maximizing instead of minimizing civilian casualties is evil.

It's evil because it's an ego-driven display of requesting EXTRA pain and suffering, and has NOTHING to do with actually doing their job.

So guys, I thought of something.

When the subject of human sacrifice comes up, do we even know why she wants human sacrifice?

We need to learn why she wants human sacrifice, how she views her volcano and the island that came from it, and what makes humans fitting for sacrifice to her.

Then, we need to ask her why she does not view the humans as her children. She has crafted this island like a cradle for all kinds of life to cling to, has she not?

If we can shift her viewpoint even a bit toward a more motherly aspect of her ability to create and destroy, we might be able to lessen her desire for human sacrifice.

And we can totally turn her into an elemental/god MILF. But that would just be a bonus.

>>30652621
She likely wants human sacrifice because that's what Island volcanoes want.

>>30652621
She's a volcano goddess, and all the cool volcano gods get human sacrifices.

>we need to ask her why she does not view the humans as her children
Human are prayer factories.

>>30652648
>Humans are prayer factories
Literally true.

Rolled 10

>>30652621
Gods get the equivalent of food/money and essence when someone prays and makes sacrifices to them. The more prayer, the better prayer, and the bigger the sacrifice, the more food/money/essence they get. If a god gets a human sacrifice, that's the equivalent to getting a big Christmas bonus.

She's literally asking for someone to get murdered as a bribe that she can then go on to spend in Heaven to get her apartment refurbished or buy a celestial hooker or something.

That's how evil this is. She's asking for people to be killed in her name in order to score her some extra celestial cash.

And that's assuming she has a Celestial abode. If's she's a strictly Terrestrial god, it's not even for that. It's just the ego boost and the essence bump.

I only lurk this thread because the girl in the OP image gets me everytime

>>30652693
That's how the great game of divinity work and will always work if you have a problem with it bring it up to the complaint bureau.

Rolled 5

>>30652713
The only problem I have with it is when callously murdering human beings for a payday comes up.

And even then, my main problem with it is that I DO NOT WANT OUR MAIN CHARACTER TO FUCK SOMEONE INTO THAT SHIT.

I don't have a problem with making deals with this chick. I just have a problem with having sex with someone that fucking evil.

>>30652693
>evil
Why would a volcano not giving a shit about a human life make it "evil"? It's not human FFS, and it for sure doesn't have modern morals.

>>30652731

Values dissodince =/= Evil

There's no reason why she should care about humans anymore than the average human cares about a pigeon.

>>30652731
While you consider it evil it isn't evil, gods consider humanity as cattle. They can milk them (prayers) or they can butcher them and get meat (sacrifice).

Rolled 6

>>30652748
>Why would a volcano not giving a shit about a human life make it "evil"?
The problem isn't that it doesn't give a shit about human life. If it was indifferent to human suffering because it's a goddamn volcano, I wouldn't have any issue with it.

The issue is that it DOES care about human life. It is ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE KILLED to fill its celestial wallet. That kind of callous evil is, in my book, enough to make me want to 'not have sex' with someone.

>>30652760
...except the fact that humans, despite not having super powers, have the same mental capacity as any god of Essence 5 or less. They are just as much people, with just as real of feelings. And wanting humans to be ACTIVELY MURDERED for her ego/bank account is evil.

Evil enough for me to not want to have sex with her. Not evil enough to want to kick her face in, or be rude to her, or something. But evil enough that I don't want her to stick her tongue in our protagonist unless it's somehow one of her terms for assistance.

>>30652731
But what if you have the chance of fucking them into being good? That's on the table here.

Rolled 6

>>30652731
I don't think anyone was seriously considering fucking her, that was just a joke

Rolled 1

>>30652799
>they can butcher them and get meat (sacrifice)
Except that's illegal for gods, because the Celestial Bureaucracy does consider humans to be actual people.

>>30652807
>That's on the table here.
According to whom?

Rolled 10

>>30652821
>According to whom?
trolls that like arguing

Rolled 8

>>30652817
>I don't think anyone was seriously considering fucking her, that was just a joke
No, I'm pretty sure they were serious. You really shouldn't underestimate how much a quest's playerbase wants to fuck literally everything, especially a quest as already-lewd as this one or with an NPC with this rocking of a body.

>>30652839
And there goes my drink you bastard

>>30652804
Let's try this differently. The volcano is an omnivore. It can survive uncomfortably on herbs, roots and berries (prayers and a minor cult) but to thrive and really feel satisfied, it needs meat (sacrifices). Now, Dancing Smoke has a relatively large physical and spiritual mass to support, and not much forage in the area, so is it surprising that she wants a large and steady supply of food so she doesn't have to worry about the lean months any more?

Rolled 4

Please stop debating the morality of gods in the game it clutters the thread.

These gods are ancient greek or norse gods. They are not adhering to the ideas of good and evil because it has no meaning to them. Humans are a resource and it is said so point fucking blank. Humans and things with souls were made to be fuel for the Games of divinity and the gods.

Now if we tell her that humans don't like to be sacrificed but are more than willing to come to a alternate payment scheme that is more sustainable for them and her that is another situation.

I suggest moving the question of morality, ethics and good and evil to the general thread, so this one survives longer.
Please

Rolled 5

>>30652868
Except that's not true. The goddess can survive comfortably - and with surplus - on prayer alone. They can survive extremely comfortable with the sacrifice of goods and animals. Human sacrifice, in turn, is the equivalent of giving an omnivore a huge cash bonus, a lifetime supply of kobe beef and gold leaf-encrusted food, and a large enough allowance to afford an arbitrarily large supply of cocaine.

Human sacrifice isn't a rounding out of the diet, making her living situation more comfortable. It's an ego-driven extravagance gained through the murder of a living, thinking person, which Heaven recognizes and living, thinking people. And illegal extravagance, in fact, that she's asking for regardless.

It is, in mortal terms, like showing up at the police station to ask them to help with a gang in your neighborhood, and them responding by saying, "Yeah, sure. Just bring us a person - a hobo or something - and murder them for us so that we can sell them and add the money to our pension fund."

It is INSANELY evil.

Rolled 6

>>30652872
My problem isn't with dealing with the goddess. I'm not saying we should be rude, or not make a deal.

I'm ONLY saying I don't want to fuck someone asking for human sacrifice because I find it evil.

That is the ONLY thing I'm asking for.

>>30652804

>have the same mental capacity as any god of Essence 5 or less.

Not those guys, but mental capacity is not a foolproof argument for ethical treatment. It means that somebody far more intelligent than a human has the moral permission to treat humans like cattle.

>>30652936

And while I understand you concerns I find them silly and do not agree with them.

Because seriously what's us having sex with her have to do with anything else?

Rolled 3

>>30652965
Because I find her morally and ethically disgusting. As a player, Maka having sex with this particular NPC who has this kind of sentiment towards humans would make me uncomfortable and unhappy. It would trouble me and, thus, I am voting against it ever happening, and hoping that others will do the same.

...isn't that how voicing an opinion or placing a vote in a quest works?

Rolled 8

>>30652926
>It is INSANELY evil.
is's evil for a HUMAN
She's isn't, stop treating her like one

Rolled 6

>>30652990
>is's evil for a HUMAN
Which is reason enough for me to not want to have sex with her.

I'm not asking for any other action on this matter aside from 'not having sex.'

I say we take Tia's soul punch idea and combine it with Talk To The Heart. Punch wanting sacrifices right out of her, replace with a motherly nature directed at humans

>>30653003
I still think having sex with her is acceptable to sweeten the pot in absence of offering her human sacrifices.

Rolled 2

>>30653030
Oh, I agree with that. If fucking her is something we can offer in order to get her help in protecting Tianna and securing additional alliances, it's a decent enough bargaining chip. I just don't want to have sex with her just for the sake of having sex with her. She's not someone I want us to willingly take - or actively pursue - as a lover.

>>30653022
...so we'd have the erupting constantly to punish her wayward children for ignoring her advise and miss understanding her care? "If you don't want to live by my rules find your own island! I love you squishy ones, but I have to be tough on you. It's for your own good!"

Tl;dr I can see that backfiring massively.

>>30652693
>>30652684
>>30652926

Do we actually know any of this AS THE CHARACTER or are you being META AS FUCK about it?

I'm suggesting we ask because as far as I know, this character knows nothing about such things and to deal with this elemental/goddess we need to understand the other party's position.

and maybe because I want to see if we can edge her toward a more doting mother mode.

>>30653085
It's one stubborn guy being butthurt about a volcano god wanting human sacrifices. Maka didn't really care.

Rolled 2

>>30653085
It's one of the core teachings of the Immaculate Faith, which is as big in Creation as Roman Catholicism was in Western Europe in 1300 AD. It's something that everyone knows, more or less - how gods get paid and how prayer works.

Rolled 4

>>30653125
I'm 100% butthurt. I'll totally admit that. But the only thing I want is to not fuck her. I'm not suggesting we be a dick to her, or call her evil, or not be her ally, or ANYTHING like that.

Just not-fuck her.

>>30653125

the character should care on some level, though.

We know that human sacrifice is unacceptable to the city we're acting as a negotiator for, and that the party we're negotiating with apparently wants human sacrifice.

We can't just ignore the fact that we'll need a way to convince the party that human sacrifice isn't needed.

Rolled 4

>>30653150
How about you shut up about the fucking until it comes up? Just because it was thrown out once or twice doesn't mean we're actually going to do it, so there's no need to mention it FIVETHOUSAND times, and you're making me want to fuck her just to spite you

>>30653150
So we're fine sacrificing Tia's subbordinates to her? Fuck you.

Rolled 9

>>30653186
I'm still arguing against it because people are still arguing against me. If people had just left my 'please let's not fuck her' statement alone, that would have been the end of it. But as long as people still seem interested in fucking her, I'll keep arguing against it.

>>30653205
What? No, human sacrifice is totally off the table. I'm just saying we shouldn't be a dick or call her evil for wanting it. That's rude and would totally undermine any efforts to make her an ally for Tianna.

>>30653150
Most people aren't advocating fucking her, and I'd draw the line at a much saner place, like not throwing anything in the volcano

Just got back home, apologies for slow replies, will post soon.

Rolled 2

THIS ENTIRE DISCUTION IS IRRELEVANT FOR THE NEXT UPDATE.

WE ARE ALREADY AGREED THAT THERE WILL BE NO HUMAN SACRIFICES.

WHY ARE THERE DOZENS OF POST BEING MADE FOR NO REASON AT ALL ONLY CLUTTERING THE THREAD AND BRINGING IT IN AUTOSAGE?

RAISE AND DEFEND YOUR POINT AND BUTTHURT WHEN IT BECOMES RELEVANT!

NOT ONE OR TWO THREADS BEFORE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE CONTINUE LIKE THIS. NEGOTIATIONS WILL LAST FOR TWO THREADS, ALL FILLED ABOUT TALK OF FUCKING HER OR NOT.

Rolled 4

>>30653231
Nobody's arguing for actually engaging in human sacrifice, so I didn't feel the need to argue against it. I'm even more unwilling to participate in that. But people are saying they want to fuck someone who actively advocates having humans sacrificed to her, so I felt the need to say I absolutely do not want to fuck her and then, when questioned why, I explained.

Then people argued against my reasons, and I argued back for why I still felt that way.

That's what this entire retarded argument has been about. People disagreeing with my reasons for not wanting to fuck a chick into human sacrifice.

>>30653222
>No Human Sacrifice!!!
How about Lintha? Beastman? Minor gods?

You're drawing the line where exactly?

>>30653236
Please hurry, this worthless fucking conversation needs to end.

>>30653261
In all fairness, antisex dude is a really effective straw man for displaying the virtues of amorality in this setting.

>>30653185
She's going to care that the Queen doesn't want to sacrifice people and so it's going to be part of the negotiations, but she didn't bat an eyelashe about the sacrifice idea itself.

>"I'm not going to give her human sacrifice from Tianna."

>"Not even criminals?" You wonder.

Rolled 8

>>30653261
Fuck you, I'll keep defending my points as long as people keep arguing against them. People dropping points creates the illusion of false consensus which can lead to decisions being presumed as having been already decided in future threads.

If you have a problem with the discussion, then just don't participate in it.

>>30653273
At callously sacrificing sapient beings in order to score someone celestial cash. You know, an action one step more evil than chattel slavery?

>>30653305
Honestly i am the one going about being a sagacious wise priest and king maker and espoused values that lead to somone posting this piece of a gem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTGiAo5CU30


But for some reason your constant bickering at a issue that is irrelevant to the current update makes me want to go for a exception and fuck the goddes as a object lesson and to discourage you from ever arguing shit endlessly when they are not relevant to the update. This is a one time thing contingent upon one update. And you are eating with it at least fifty posts. Planing and stuff gets a free pass. Other stuff as a rule should not because we kill threads too fast.

Rolled 7

>>30653305
Get a name so I can filter you, please

>>30653305
Remind me to keep you the fuck away from Nexus.

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Pointing out few things before posting:

1) You decide, with your vote, how much Maka cares or doesn't care about ethical issues like slavery or human sacrifice. Even in-setting these are debated and not universally accepted so she could stand on any point of the spectrum.

2) please argue about the matter at hand, and not in general, abstract terms. Don't argue whether human sacrifice is evil or not: argue whether Maka would consider it evil or not.

>>30653299
3) The reason Maka replied like that is because in the Wavecrest Archipelago human sacrifice of criminals to volcano gods is a common practice and she is informed of it. Tianna is very close to Wavecrest, so learning that it doesn't follow the same customs surprised her. She didn't express any kind of moral statement yet.

>>30653512
For my money Maka is most likely imbued with a high dose pragmatism.

Soc + Zen : 10 8 5 9 3 8 3 = 5 succ.

"The Three Rivers are rallying to remove the Fair Folk from the island's swamplands and reclaim that land for Creation." You explain to her. "I have decided to assist them in this endeavor."

"...and my role is...?" She looks quite impressed. You have her attention.

"And, in turn, I am seeking for others who will support it." You add. "And decided you should be invited."

"Is that an official request from the Three Rivers?" She asks, eyeing Tia next to you.

The two of you exchange a glance. "No." She states. It's a request from Maka, Queen of Gem."

Dancing Smoke spins in mid-air and drifts around you playfully. "Really. You're far from home."

"I was exiled as a mortal. I intend to return as an Exalted."

"But I imagine this means you can't promise me anything from Tianna."

"A shrine in town and a day of festival." You reply. "I am a friend and a lover to queen Amata. She holds my words in high esteem."

"No sacrifices?" she asks wishfully.

"A head of cattle a season." You reply.

"A mortal a year." She haggles back. "Possibly alternating between genders every year, but I'm not that picky."

You shake your head. "I can't offer you that."

"You can put a good word for me to Amata."

"I can, but I won't. Amata has been extremely clear on this." You cut to the chase. "She will not offer you lives. Not now, not ever."

"What about you personally?" She grins, showing viciously pointy teeth and a flaming, forked tongue darting between them. "You are a woman of power. Can't you offer me something?"

You frown, worriedly. This might be a chance, but you have to be careful how you handle it. "Do you mean right now, or... more long-term?"

"It depends. What can you, personally, offer to me?"

You have to weight your reply carefully. Not only could Dancing Smoke tip the scales of this conflict and the subsequent balance of power all over the island, but she's hinting at the possibility of a long-term relationship. She might be a powerful ally on your quest to retake Gem... Or a troublesome enemy. Or a non-factor, if you elect to face that challenge alone or with only those who follow you of their own free will (like Tia).

What promises can you make? (rolled action)

> The gratitude and goodwill of a Chosen of the Sun. It should be enough.
> I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.
> I can try and persuade Amata to grant you more, but not human sacrifice.
> I will try and talk Amata into granting you the sacrifices you require.
> If Tianna doesn't give you human sacrifice, maybe the Three Rivers will.
> I will perform human sacrifices in your honor myself, of my own.
> In addition to Amata's offers, I will perform one service for you.
> (make some other short-term promise)

Combined with:

> I am not interested in a long-term alliance with you.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, including human sacrifices.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you become one of the main gods of Gem, but no human sacrifices.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you become one of the main gods of Gem, with human sacrifices.
> (make some other long-term promise)

Pick a Stance:

> Businesslike
> Charming
> Seductive
> Threatening
> Regal
> Priestly

Option:
> Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]

Rolled 7

>>30653585
>I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
> Charming
I have no idea how Priestly would look, so Charming it is

Rolled 8

>>30653570
I can offer to try and punch and fuck you into submission with my friends here.
That's only if you are up to it.

Or if you are more concerned about your reputation, i could see about having as many on the island participate in the festival as possible provided you actually are going to play the role it describes there. Supernatural protector of the Island. The way things go, people here need as much help as they can get, and there is no point you don't get some recognition for such work, now is there.

Rolled 4

>>30653585
> The gratitude and goodwill of a Chosen of the Sun. It should be enough.
> I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.
> In addition to Amata's offers, I will perform one service for you.
But reserve veto rights on that service.

>If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
>If you become my ally, I will see that you become one of the main gods of Gem, but no human sacrifices.
Gem is built in a range of volcanos. She would actually be quite at home there, and a volcano goddess would be of great use to Gem.

>Priestly
>Regal
>Charming
>Businesslike
A combination of these stances.

> Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]
This too.

Rolled 8

>>30653585
>> In addition to Amata's offers, I will perform one service for you.
>> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
> Charming

Cults are our thing. We can manage that easily.

>>30653585
> I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.

> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.

> Priestly

> Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]

Such is the promise of Maka, Queen of Gem, Solar, Zenith and Priestess Queen of Sol Invictus.

Phenomenal cosmic power, Great responsibility to all, no human sacrifices, not now, not ever.

Rolled 4

>>30653641
>Gem is built in a range of volcanos. She would actually be quite at home there, and a volcano goddess would be of great use to Gem.
I'm pretty sure that volcano already has a god

Rolled 10

>>30653585
> In addition to Amata's offers, I will perform one service for you.
This works well. Having the power of an Exalted would be handy for a god. And really, we've already got a bunch of shit. What's one more thing?

> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
Gem is far away from where Dancing Smoke resides, so offering her position as a god there wouldn't make sense. However, seeing as we're a Zenith, we could DEFINITELY talk her up in the West.

The fact that we add NO SACRIFICES just drives the point home that we're giving her a lot, and she should be willing to accept what we offer, under our conditions.

> Charming
> Seductive
Either one of these is fine. Honestly I'm leaning more towards seductive because that's how we do. But charming works. We're not very businesslike, or threatening.

> Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]
Absolutely no reason not to.

Rolled 3

>>30653666
And that volcano god is constantly sending earthquakes and lava flows at Gem. Canonically, Gem is on the precipice of being destroyed by an eruption any day now. Gem would really benefit by having a helpful, compliant volcano god on staff.

Rolled 9

>>30653585
> The gratitude and goodwill of a Chosen of the Sun.
> I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.
>Not living on the same island as a bunch of reality-destroying abominations

> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.

> Charming
> Seductive

>>30653680
We can talk that up later, when we're ready to deal with Gem. Right now, let's increase her presence in the West instead of getting ahead of ourselves.

Rolled 1

>>30653585
> In addition to Amata's offers, I will have sex with you
Because

> If you become my ally, I will see that you become one of the main gods of Gem, with human sacrifices.
Everyone in Gem is going to die when it explodes anyway.

> Regal
> Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]

Rolled 6

>>30653695
That's fair. We can dangle it as a possibility instead of making it an actual promise.

Rolled 9

>>30653585
>> In addition to Amata's offers, I will perform one service for you.
Both
> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you become one of the main gods of Gem, but no human sacrifices.

> Seductive

> Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]

Rolled 4

>>30653585
> In addition to Amata's offers, I will perform one service for you.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
> Seductive
> Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]

Rolled 6

>>30653680
Won't she get into a shitload of problems with heaven if we do that?

>>30653585
>> I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.

Long Term:
>Other: "I can promise nothing of the long term at this time, to be perfectly honest. But I am most interested in speaking of such things when I am in a position to do so."

>Charming

>Other: switch to Seductive and ask if her volcano might benefit from some direct attention from a Chosen of the Sun... and perhaps a Lunar.

Rolled 6

>>30653585

> I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.
> In addition to Amata's offers, I will try to extend her offer to people across the island.

Combined with:

> I am not interested in a long-term relationship with you.
Well not alliance because that is too formal.
> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.
>Use [TALKING TO THE HEART]
Also , GEM? WHY the fuck is it GEM?

That place is DOOMED. Even if we get back each day is going to be another power rangers episode where we have to defend Gem for tonight's Saturday morning villains.

Rolled 4

>>30653585
>I can try and persuade Amata to grant you more, but not human sacrifice
Oiled-up dancing bitches

>If you become my ally, I will see that you become one of the /prominent/ gods of Gem, but no human sacrifice
Not sure what politics are involved in making someone a Main God. Could be doable or could set a house of cards on fire.

>Regal and slightly Seductive
Show that we speak with authority, but also that we find her worthy of our attention

Rolled 2

>>30653728
No, Terrestrial gods are largely completely unregulated ever since the Great Contagion almost a millenium ago.

Rolled 6

>>30653735
>Also , GEM? WHY the fuck is it GEM?
>That place is DOOMED. Even if we get back each day is going to be another power rangers episode where we have to defend Gem for tonight's Saturday morning villains.
Because /tg/ likes going for super-hardmode and then bitches when they lose, every time

Rolled 2

>>30653735
> I am not interested in a long-term relationship with you
.I am interested in a long-term relationship with you
GAH!

>>30653665
Forgot, we should also offer to personally lead the first festival with the bonfires and dancing and getting oiled up.

Hopefully that will sweeten the deal enough.

Rolled 5

>>30653585
> I will see that Tianna gives you what Amata promised. Nothing more, Nothing less.
>oiled up bitches dancing in the streets, occasionally lead by us

> If you become my ally, I will see that you get a large cult in the West, but no human sacrifices.

> Charming
> Seductive

>>30653786
Seconding as a deal sweetener.

>>30653786

I like it.

>>30653744
Dammit. Forgot to add TALKING TO THE HEART.

Use our social charm!

Rolled 9

>>30653786
we're a pretty good priest, seconding this

Question for the exalted experts, do better prayers also give the god more Power? I know better prayer is more likely to be notice, but does it make a difference for the god himself?

Rolled 10

>>30653889
>Question for the exalted experts, do better prayers also give the god more Power? I know better prayer is more likely to be notice, but does it make a difference for the god himself?
Yeah, because better prayers can milk more faith out of participants. A priest who's really good at praying/leading prayers can egg themself and their audience to higher heights.