"Well..." You watch as Maho and Erika storm out of the hanger. Miho's just made you the champion of Oorai in a showmatch against one of Kuromuromine's ace tanker. On the line is your school's pride and your reputation as a tanker. And you're pretty sure none of this would be happening if you'd just stayed out at practice. "...That could've gone better."You are Commander Russells of the M26E1 Pershing Heavy Tank "Black Jack" and, as you turn and look at Miho as she angrily eyes her older sister, you apologize. "I... I should've just stayed out there. I'm really sorr-""Russells?" Miho askes simply. You stop mid-sentence. "Quiet, this is exactly what needed to happen." Her voice is starting to soften now that Maho is no longer present."What?" You manage, staring at the team's captain."Maho doesn't care about feelings or emotions." Miho says, voice low. "Her and my mother understand only one thing: Strength and power." She turns to you, fire and iron in her eyes. "You are going to take Black Jack and your are going to crush Erika. Utterly. You are going to show Maho and my mother and Kuromuromine just how strong you are. How strong Oorai is.">"Wait. You planned this, didn't you? I WAS MANIPULATED!">"What if we lose?">"...So should I go back to practice yet?">Other.
>>31285446>"What if we lose?"inb5 "You won't.'This seems to be the only worthwhile option.
>>31285446>"Wait. You planned this, didn't you? I WAS MANIPULATED!">Other.Also, it seems kinda hypocritical to make a person understand that there's more to the world than strength and power, by utilizing strength and power in the first place.Russells and Miho has to make this... interesting.
>>31285622I would think part of their family would know best how to manipulate them.
>>31285446>Other."Well, no backing out now."Get the tank ready, there is German armor waiting to be crushed.
>>31285446>[x] OtherWell then. Lets give her what she wants. One 90mm HVAP through the front plate it is.
>>31285446You planned this, you beautiful tactical genius.
>>31285446>>"Wait. You planned this, didn't you? I WAS MANIPULATED!"Is Miho Batman-tier plotmaster?
>>31285837Yes, let's say that and get her to blush. :D
So, what do we know about the opponents tank
>>31285837i vote thiscreeeeeeeeeeeeed
>>31286067http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_IIS'about the best I can do.http://www.mediafire.com/download/kykk1ctzk5mq1aa/Encyclopedia+Of+German+Tanks+Of+WWII.pdf also
>>31285947I don't know, but I want to see her become Xanatos-Tier.
>>31285742this.
>>31285837YES! +1
>>31285837Seconded.
>>31285837>>31285948then we give hug and kiss before riding out to defend her honor.
>>31285837+1Also, this actually plays to our strengths. Most of Russel's tanking has been done in 1-v-1, while Erika's presumably used to team matches.We have an experience advantage in this format.
>>31286498She should give us a token to put on our tank, like the knights did.
>>31286580let's mention that. "Before I go, can I get a Token? *Miho's confused* In the days of Chivalry and Knights, a knight riding out to defend his lady's honor would carry with him a token of her love, something to remind him of why he was fighting for." I'm guessing she'll give us either a kiss back or one of those injured teddy bears on a keychain.
>>31286568let's just quickly get that track fixed before the match. we never actually gave a specific time and date, so we can head out after we fix it.
>>31285446>Other.[Sharp grin] "They have no idea what they're in for."Seriously, we're in a tank better than a Tiger in exactly the kind of match we're best at, while Erika is trained almost exclusively in the rigid formation combat of BFP.
"This was all your plan, wasn't?" You say, looking at Miho. "You knew I'd come back!" It makes sense, and proves again that Miho is definately more than she lets on."I would never!" Miho defends, putting her hand over her chest. "You knew that if you told me to stay away that I'd find some way to come back to confront your sister." You shake your head, rubbing your chin. You smile, and throw an arm around her shoulder. "You're a genius- a beautiful little genius." She blushes a deep red at this. Patrick whistles and catcalls. Goddammit Patrick.>"So, shall we go check on the B2?">"So, what's the plan?">"What are our chances?">Other.
>>31287394She'll be using a Tiger II, though.
>>31287404See: >>31287394
>>31287404>>"So, shall we go check on the B2?"
>>31287404>Other: back to getting that track fixed.>Check on B2 over the phone.
>>31287404>Other: back to getting that track fixed.
>>31287427we have the upgrade meant to beat Tiger IIs, the T15E1.
>>31287404Scratch >>31287457go with>>31287483
>>31287483>>31287498these guys got the right idea.
>>31287427Yes, but we've got the gun designed to Kill Tiger IIs. From the front.Basically it's going to be a hell of a hunting game - one shot, one kill for both sides.
>>31287534I'm aware, I was just correcting 'im.
>>31287404"So, tell me about how Erika fights and her tank. We've got some planning and training to do."
>>31287591 Anon, >>31287483 here, that's a good idea. While we work on the track, we can plan and call the B2 salvage crew. let's put our plans together.
>>31287404>>31287483 again, updating earlier post to add >>31287591's plan:>Other: back to getting that track fixed.>Check on B2 over the phone.>"So, tell me about how Erika fights and her tank. We've got some planning and training to do."
>>31287483second
>>31287670fff, seconding this.
>>31287670+1 for new plan.>Capcha: presence ringsVDWell, Capcha's already hearing wedding bells. how about you all?
>>31287670+2
>>31287670What he said.>>31288341Nice.
;_; I don't like this, because I have special feelings of love for Erika....
You notice your team staring at you from the tank. "Alright. Show's over!" You say walking back towards the tank. "Back to work!" Miho follows along beside you and as you get back to working on the tank, you take a second to pick her brain. "So, tell me how Erika fights." You say, helping Patrick de-tension the front idler wheel. "She's very aggressive, and very proud." Miho says. "She's cunning, but not the tactician that my sister is- she relies on Grosse Meize's armor and firepower to overwhelm her opponents." She notices your confused look. "Grosse Meize... It's what she named her Tiger II. It means 'Big Kitty'.""Adorable." You state. You'd never actually fought against a Tiger II before- Pershings were rare these days, but King Tigers were rare back when they were produced. Only a few hundred had been made before the end of the war, and only a precious handful of them were still in existence. Most of the German tanks you'd faced back in the states had been the more numerous Panther and Panzer IV tanks, and even a couple of Tigers.>"So how do I fight her then?">"How do I fight a King Tiger?">Other.
>>31288552Erika a shitWell, she *could* be a good girl, but she needs some good hard dickings to fix her up.
>>31288553>So how do I get her to over commit and make a mistake, what buttons should I push?
>>31288600+1
>>31288553Oh yes
>>31288595;_; shes hardcore Tsundere...she needs a hatefuck..
>>31288600This guy's got it
>>31288553This: >>31288600 and "How do I fight a King Tiger?" Also, get B2 salvage crew on phone now.
>>31288600This.
>>31288670Killing a KT is easy, getting her to make the first mistake on the other hand?
>>31288828In-character we've never fought one before, and Miho's been around them for a while. Doing something is only easy if you know 100% what you're doing. we're missing about 80%: 50% for Erika's behavior, 30% how a Tiger II operates.
>>31288904This is still our kind of fight.
>>31288926It is, but we need more technical knowledge on a KT, since we've never fought one personally - and Miho presumably has in training. Or even operated on herself, maybe.
>>31288670+1
>>31288904>>31288926is right, we're specialists in fighting solo.
>>31288963hence the 20%.
>>31288977Indeed. Also
>>31289040Erika and Maho bonding as kids. Love it.
Furthermore.
>>31289063that's Erika for you. people think Yukari is clingy and obsessive, Erika takes it a whole new level. That's why she acts like an ass. She just wants to make Maho happy by living up to the Nishizumi school.
>"So how do I fight her then?"I finally managed to read all the backlog and got up to current
Wait, I can't edit my vote.Can we just ask her how Erika fights while asking for the weakpoints of the King Tiger as a secondary?
>>31289138welcome to the party.>>31289157that's what I've been saying, so yeah, totally.
>>31289169Thanks. I wish there were more games with cute girls and military hardware.
>>31289218War thunder ground forces will get you... two-thirds there. WWII tanks, and roughly the same style of combat as the in the show. You want cute girls, you can mod the sound files. I myself put Katyusha singing on loop whenever I play Red Orchestra. cute girls and military hardware does seem to be a uniquely anime occurrence, and is rare even then.
>>31289310... Well.... I was talking about /tg/ games but ok?...Well I also play WoT. Doing better in my M4 than my Pz3/4...Also as I read through the archives, does BJ really do take a long time to update? If so, what do you guys do in the meantime?
>>31289427>If so, what do you guys do in the meantime?Masturbate to little girls in tanks, usually.
>>312894271. World of tanks, plenty of GuP voice mods there. 2. Yes, BJ does take his time, because he can. 3. You've read the archives, it's still the same, but the writing seems to have petered out for now. and what >>31289481 said.
>>31289499Roger that.
>>31289540>*begins wanking*
"So, Erika is proud and aggressive..." You muse, grunting as you loosen the nut on the idler wheel. "Sounds ripe for some PsyOps." You aren't too proud to use an opponent's emotional instablities against them- hell you do it all the time with your crew. "How do I set her off?"Miho smiles. "Erika's easy- I was figuring her out when I was ten years old." She smiles and you're not sure if that's a good smile. "She hates weakness and cowardice..."The nut finally cracks and you start loosening it. "...Sounds easy enough. Call her a coward, goad her into a frontal assault- Rose puts one through her glacis plate." You shrug. "Shouldn't take long."Miho shakes her head. "She's not that dumb. She'll see that for what it is a mile away." She bites her lip in thought. "No, you need to get her to think you're on the ropes. Make feel your fear- she'll close in for the kill and that's when you'll have her.">"What about the KT? How do we take that out?">"How do we get her to think we're running from her?">Other.
>>31289741>"What about the KT? How do we take that out?">"How do we get her to think we're running from her?"Pic mfw.
:( had a horrid night on WoT tonight, the only tank that came out with a great game was the Sperg Pershing..I do so well in it...All my other games were like: >Do extremely well --> Lose>Do pretty meh --> End up winning;_; only the Spurg Pershing loves me...
>>31289741>>"What about the KT? How do we take that out?">>"How do we get her to think we're running from her?"eldorado.gif
>>31289778you probably just made BlackJack's day.
>>31289741>>"What about the KT? How do we take that out?">>"How do we get her to think we're running from her?"
>>31289817:3c the side of my Sperg Pershings turret actually says Black Jack
>>31289741>>"How do we get her to think we're running from her?"How do we bait someone without looking like we're baiting them?
>>31289768+1
>>31290503Start talking shit about their tank.
>>31290563then insult their boss.
>>31290666Yeah, be all like> Last time I saw your tank it was taking a 17 Pounder like a bitch.
>>31289816Seconded
"So... Question is how do we get her to think she's got the advantage? How do we get her to come at us?" The track loses tension as the idler wheel is released and allowed to move upwards and back. "We can't exactly take a hit from her and pretend we're wounded..."Miho shakes her head. "She has to think that she's got the advantage- the best bet might be for your crew to be aggressive." She nods. "Push towards her, let her think that you're going to blunder right into whatever trap she's setting." She sighs and looks at Black Jack. "Let her spring her trap then fall back before she can do any damage."Roy and Patrick get to work uncoupling the old, busted track link. "Then what? We've never taken on something like a Tiger II before...""It's frontal armor is tough..." Miho admits. "Even the T54 might have problems getting through it at range...">"What about weakspots?">"We'll just have to get in close...">"Could we outmaneuver it? Take her from the side or rear?">Other.
>>31290318Too bad the Super Pershing was nerfed into the fucking dirt. I still play mine, but I won't say it's as much fun. I think they weight its MM so it gets shoved into Tier 9 matches more often.
>>31291187>"Could we outmaneuver it? Take her from the side or rear?">"What about weakspots?"
OOC: Pretty sure the T15/T54 can punch through the front of the turret,
>>31291187>"What about weakspots?"and>"Could we outmaneuver it? Take her from the side or rear?"
>>31291315wow, people like my ideas. Or its just that great minds think alike. Either way, seconded.
>>31291211If it was nerfed into the dirt, I cant tell. I'm bouncing tier 9's off the hull, even solo'd a E-75 in it. Regardless of the general consensus of the tank, it is still very much viable.
>>31291301>T15With APCR, yes, quite easily, think we have like 250mm of penetration with it.
>"What about weakspots?">"Could we outmaneuver it? Take her from the side or rear?"Fucking terrible game on WoT. Fuckity fucking fuck. My M4 got more XP in 4 days than my T-34, and Pz3/4 did in a week! WHy
No real need to outmaneuver it, guys, we can pen it from the front easily.
>>31291423you are either that damm good, lying, or are one lucky SOB then. Ask BlackJack how he's doing with it and see if he's doing as good.>>31291315+2
>>31291474But it's oh so satisfying to have Erika over-extend/make mistakes to the point where the characters can point out that even a non-Pershing tank could've taken her out.
>>31291474>>31291504Play it safe vs. humiliation... I say stick with long range killing. Show that we can do the KT's job of long-range tank-killing better than her. if we want to go for the fake out, We can pretend to be hit and fall back, lure her in.
>>31291504here's am Idea... we track her from long range, let her repair it, then track her again. toy with her from long range, let her frustration build, then finish her.
>>31291486there's no reason for me to lie about a tank i'm enjoying. It's good for some people, other people don't like the tank, I happen to love the tank and do extremely well playing it. You don't have to believe me, i'm just telling you what i've done in the tank, and why I dont notice any nerf to it.
>>31291611You're evil. I like you.
>>31291611this. +100
>>31291634and I'm just listing the possibilities and observing that you are a minority among SP players. no personal attacks intended, so let's not descend into... let's call it 'normal discussions', and keep it civil, ok?>>31291687Evil implies I want to see people suffer for no reason. I just enjoy seeing smug, arrogant, A-holes blow up with the right 'button presses'. >tl;dr, they see me trollin'... they be hating...
>>31291757Sorry, felt like you were attacking me. I just feel like people give the tank a bad rep when it can be played very well even after said "nerfs". Thanks for clearing that up though, friend. :3
>>31291827I did give that impression, and I apologize. Glad to hear no hard feelings. Here, Have a funny image from my reactions folder.
>>31291897>Not posting the transparent png.
>>31291611sounds like a perfect plan. lets do this!
>>31291945ah, thanks.
>>31291956heck yeah! making rage-quitters is a sign of a job well done.
>>31291897Speaking of which, I assume you do play the game still, if they say, nerfed the hellcat by taking away the 90mm cannon, but gave it historical turret traverse, would you be okay with this.jpg?
>>31292011Sorry, I don't play WoT. My computer is shit. How shit it is? It can't Company of Heroes 1 without glitching. That being said, I'm all for more realism and historical accuracy in almost any game, so that sounds fine to me.
>>31291187>browsin'>see this>MFWProceed!
>>31292101Great to see you again, Rufus! you're just in time to join us for trolling the heck out of Erika!
>>31292154I brought along all my MEGAS gifs, too!
>>31291956I love that I was the first one to post thisAlso, Easter holidays have started, and now I have three weeks of free(ish)dom! I MIGHT be able to write things! The Guderian Way, SaS, and maybe even Tank Hunters Quest! :D
>>31292227
>>31292275Sweet. Elaborate on THQ?
>>31292275Sweet!
>>31292299I've already elaborated tons in the IRC over the last few months. Let me get online and I can explain whatever.
>>31292275More fluffy hair is never a bad thing.
>>31291187>>"Could we outmaneuver it? Take her from the side or rear?"Could we realistically scoot around these guys?
>>31292819Not easily...we've got the same top speed, if Wikipedia is to be believed.
>>31292819our engine is *slightly* better in speed, so kinda. Still less risky to go with my idea:>>31291611Also, BlackJack, its been an hour, you better be proofreading your post.
>>31293002Tiger IISustained Speed: 38km/hSprint Speed: 42km/hOver average terrain: 15-20km/hGP: 1.034kg/cm^2Gradient: 35 degreesM26E1Sustained Speed: 32.1869km/hSprint Speed: 40.2336km/hGP: 0.8999kg/cm^2Gradient: 60 degrees
>>31293227Mountains and soft ground, then.
>>31293227so they're faster, but we do better on terrain. even more reason to do long-range sniping: find a good spot, camp, and commence trolling.
>>31293227>Tiger II is faster than we are.
>>31293265Fully loaded yeah. But you dump dead weight and ammo, you could outrun it.
>>31293227Don't look at me, I went straight to Wikipedia. Where'd YOU get your numbers?
>>31286095Relinking to this.
>>31293307Pershing A History of the Medium Tank T20 Series and Germany's Tiger Tanks VK45.02 to TIGER II Design, Production & Modifications.Usually to find books I'll visit the Wikipedia Page and follow the Citations.
>>31293351Fair enough. I bow to your superior research.Now to the question: The Tiger II is slightly faster and (if I'm reading your figures right) more maneuverable, mechanically. How can we flank such a machine? I wouldn't rely on our gun to pierce that frontal armor.
>>31293405By tracking it.
>>31293405Rely on it, it can do so with almost 100mm of penetration to spare.
>>31293405correction: we can pierce the front, that has been established. Gun mantle, might get iffy, but hitting tracks, glacis, and other weak points, easily.>>31293417repeatedly.>>31293419like I said, established.
>>31293432Hm, actually almost 150mm of penetration in reserve.
"What about weakpoints?" You ask Miho, leaning back against the tank to get catch your breath. "Sides and rear, I imagine- anything frontally?""Lower plate, but it's a difficult target to aim for." She shakes her head. "It's got a production turret, too. You won't be able to deflect shots from the turret into the ventral armor like you can against a Porche turret." She shakes her head grimly. "Frontal shot isn't going to work reliably.""So we'll need to outmaneuver her..." You smile. "That we can do..." Maneuver warfare was a huge part of American One-on-One tanking, where maneuverablity and passablity was just as important as firepower and armor- In your first tournement your tank had actually been knocked out by a Chaffee Light Tank, simply because he was able to get onto a rise and shoot down onto you.Miho nods. "Exactly, the armor along the sides is much thinner. The Tiger II's mobile, but still underpowered compared to a Tiger- same engine but nearly fifty-percent heavier. You can use that.">"We need to get into hills and rough terrain where it's engine will let it down.">"The Pershing ain't exactly a hill climber either...">"What about it's reliablity? Is there any way we could cause her tank to break down?">other.
>>31293546>"We need to get into hills and rough terrain where it's engine will let it down.">"What about it's reliablity? Is there any way we could cause her tank to break down outside of tracking shots?"we're not going to fight tanks this session are we?
>>31293543Embiggened.
>>31293546Or, we could just spam HVAP at it and not worry about silly things like penetration.So>Other: Shoot it until it dies. Preferably from range.
>>31293546>Other " to quote the Mighty Jingles, don't worry, I have a cunning plan!"I re-submit my earlier plan: track from long range, let her repair, then disable again. toy with her, let her frustration build, then finish her.
>>31293661forgot my pic.
>>31293692Ka ka!
>>31293661I change my vote to this. Trolling For The Win!>>31293700Was that a Seananners reference?
>>31293727No, that's how Shinobu laughs in Bakemonogatari. Also, penetration values for our APCR shots from Hunnicutt's Pershing:T44 HVAP Shot (APCR-T; 3,750 ft/sec)244mm @ 30 degree angle @ 500 yds221mm @ 30 degree angle @ 1000 yds196mm @ 30 degree angle @ 1500 yds173mm @ 30 degree angle @ 2000 yds
>>31293738Sorry, haven't seen that much anime, so many things, so little time.So, looking at your chart and your earlier KT pic, If we stay under 1500 yds, we have 1 shot kill capability. past that, 5 rounds rapid HVAP should still do it.
>>31293661Seconded.
>>31293817From an angle, anyway, if we're straight on, that distance increases, I dunno the math though. (the figures I provided for penetration assume a 30 degree angle)
>>31293546>>"What about it's reliablity? Is there any way we could cause her tank to break down?"What are the possible ways we could get her tank to break down, other than trapping it in mud or forcing it up a steep incline?
>>31293661I think this sounds viable. Let's give it a shot.
>>31293898Wait for it to break down by itself. I kid.
>>31293898Shooting the engine, tracks, basically doing what >>31293661 saying.
>>31293661Quoting Jingles to curry favor with BlackJack... I like you. go for it.
I hope we get to shoot at her from long range, we do have the Goddess of Ballistics on our side, after all.
BJ ded
>>31294661nope.
The idea is so perfect, it hits your brain like a lightning bolt. You laugh. "Miho, I have a cunning plan!" You giggle a little bit. "How long does it take to fix a road wheel on a Tiger II?"Miho looks at you. "Given the proper support, access to tools and..." She stops and looks at you. "Hours- I'm not even sure its possible in the field." She smiles- she's starting to get on your line of thinking. "She'd be helpess- unable to turn the tank, unable to move..."You nod. "Ever seen a Sherman knock out a Panther one-on-one?" You ask, leaning back against Black Jack's track guard. "I saw it once... Roy, where was that tournement where Patrick ended up doing a Q&A without his pants?"Roy stops his work on the track. "Taos." Miho looks a bit confused at what is a story too long for explanation."Taos... This guy from Colorado had an M4A3E8- Easy Eight." You smile remembering the story. "Got put up against a Panther-G... One of those rich-kid teams that could afford German steel..." And arrogent about their tank as well. "Anyway, they can't penetrate this guy frontally...""Panther's armor is almost as thick as the Tiger with angling..." Miho muses before letting you continue."So, they retreat back and the Panther crew, they think they've won so they charge forward around the corner of this canyon, gun blazing." You laugh remembering the next part. "They Sherman's got them pre-sighted though and puts an HE shell onto his left track and half a second later this Panther is side-on to the Sherman... POP POP!" You make two little gun motions with your hand. "Panther's dead."Roy nods. "Was pretty awesome. Russians actually used that as a tactic against Tigers- they'd lure them into charging across open ground and knock out the roadwheels with their HE shells.""I like it. Erika would be the perfect target for it, too." Miho nods and smiles. "So, want to go see the B2?"
>>31294780Night, beej
NEXT TIME ON GIRLS UND PANZER QUEST.>It's getting awfully French up in here!>We have a plan- just need to practice it.>The Sodoklones adjust to their new ride.Girls und Panzer Quest will return Thursday at 4-5PM PST!Follow me on Twitter for schedule updates and to find out when the thread goes live!https://twitter.com/BlackJackGuPQ
>>31294780No mention of Jingles. I am disappoint.
After the last thread I fixed my shit. Mostly.http://pastebin.com/i9NjDFSZ
>>31294874Nice. Only problem I have, is that it's hard to find where you left of last time. Perhaps try to divide it into chapters, and only update when a chapter is finished (and post a reminder when you post the link, "chapter xy is now up")
>>31293405>Tiger B >Faster and more maneuverable.>Average rate of movement along the highway was 25-30 km/h, 13.4-15 km/h along an dirt road. The average speed when moving over rough terrain was even worse: 6-7 km/h. The maximum speed, given as 41.5 km/h in the tank's technical documentation, was never even once achieved in the maneuverability tests.>>3129478076mm HVAP will go through the front turret of a Panther G reliably at 1300 yards. The main issue with that round vs. angled armour like the glacis was its' tendency to ricochet and the shatter gap resulting from FHA.
