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>Last thread http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Hive%20Queen%20Quest
>Twitter https://twitter.com/HiveQueenQuest

>Current resource reserves
Nutrients: 152
Metals: 25

>Upkeep cost
Queen – 5
First Clutch Worker (20) – 40
Thinker – 3
Nutrients: 48

>Income
Nutrients: 50
Net: 2

>Hive population
First Clutch Workers: 20
Thinker: 1

>Available research options
Lightning gun – Very slow, potential of failure and destruction of sample device

Alien biology – medium, studying samples of the predator’s corpse may yield basic understanding of local fauna’s chemical processes

Bi-ped – Very slow, observation of the alien being may yield insight as to their nature and intentions

>>31608582
"Broken." Your drone repeats the thought as it tries in vain to move its leg. It will surly slow down the rest, and may attract predators.

>Consume the drone +3 nutrients -1 worker
>leave it behind and have it try to return alone
>slow down the column to protect the wounded worker

In addition, your other two search parties are awaiting your orders.
>investigate the shore
>investigate the moss plains

>>31608673
Hm...
>1 Consume drone
It's a first batch, after all, yes?

>Investigate shore next.

Also, do we pick research options now? Or no?
Nice map also. Helpful

>>31608746
yes, first batch, and yes, you can select your research now, but it will not take effect until we get all the drones on the same page. Technically, they are all doing their things around the same time.

>>31608673
Awesome. Nice to have you back, QD.
>Consume the worker.
It's just one worker, a First Clutch at that.
>Investigate the shore
See if the film is useful in any way

How do we go about research? I'm assuming we can only do one thing at a time for now since we only have 1 thinker?

>>31608582
Alien biology

We need to be able to live in this place before we start dealing with the other visitors.

>>31608673
>Consume the drone +3 nutrients -1 worker
>investigate the shore

>>31608808
Ah. Then I wish to study Alien biology then.

>>31608812
correct. The tinker will analyze the item you want researched, and will need 1 worker to use as a tool to handle the item.

In the future, more thinkers mean faster research, and more things can be researched at once.

>>31608808
>>31608812
Consider that I also vote for alien biology. We'll probably want to the lightning gun next, to further offensive/defensive capabilities.

>>31608860
How much to new thinkers cost?

>>31608874
We'll need to find a source of metals and other things to fashion into new guns. I doubt we can make space lasers out of dirt and fungus even with all the research in the world.

>>31608884
Worker – 5 nutrients to lay egg 2 upkeep per day, 2 days to hatch.
Warrior – 10 nutrients to lay egg 5 upkeep per day, 4 days to hatch.
Thinker – 6 nutrients to lay egg 3 upkeep per day, 3 days to hatch.

Sorry, I had meant to add that to the pastebin. Which I also forgot to post. I kinda rushed home after Easter dinner.

>>31608673
>Consume the worker +3 nutrients, -1 worker
>investigate the shore
writing.

>>31608929
>Thinker
Hm...that should be one priority we have next. Research is super important.

>>31608673
Consume the drone is the best option
Investigate the shore
Research the lighting gun
Has there been any discussion on what kinda of queen were going to be?

>>31608962
Might want to rush a Warrior. If it can pull down more than 5 nutrients per day by hunting, then it's worth it.

>>31608993
At least one, yes.

>>31608582
Research alien biology.
Hatch 2 warriors.
Hatch 2 thinkers.

>>31608988
Not peaceful. No diplomacy.

>>31608962

We already have a Thinker. If anons wanted to make 1 or two more I'd be find with that (I want to find a way to get more yield out of our fungal-jelly thing...or generally improve our nutrient income). I tend to side with this anon (>>31608993) that warriors are probably a better investment at this point though. As well as 'updating' our workers, so to speak.

>>31609100
We can recycle 10 workers and hatch 10 more. The second wave will be more useful.

>>31609100
Indeed. I'd like at least one warrior, 2-4 Thinkers, and then focus on drones for resource gathering.

Sound good?

>>31608673
"Worker help hive!" the worker exclaims with glee, as it drops to the ground, at peace with its purpose. Its brothers assemble around it and with their claws quickly dismantle the worker, devouring it entirely.
The ocean stretches far into the horizon, much farther than your drones can see with the rain impeding their vision. A worker walks up to the thick film slowly, and with an outstretched claw pokes the substance. It is surprisingly resilient. With a more forceful jab the film is punctured and a thick brown-red ooze bubbles up from the orange growth. Satisfied of the safety, your workers begin taking samples in the shallow water, and discover the film is nearly two inches thick in some places, and contains a thick membrane of syrupy juice. Under the membrane tendrils of dark green strands stretch deeper into the water, like roots.

>Take samples back to the hive
>eat some of the samples
>write in

>>31609152

Have one of them eat some of the samples, and take samples back to the hive regardless of the results. Poisons are just as useful as food.

>>31609190
Second.

>>31609123
>>31609139

I'd approve. 2 warriors though, they're expensive but I feel like 2 warriors supplemented by workers should be able to take down any threats we'll face in the immediate future. Also, dat redundancy.

>>31609152
>Have one drone sample the substance
>If good, bring some back to the hive for further study.

>>31609152
>Take samples back to the hive
>eat some of the samples
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Anyone think we should dam up the stream so it doesn't leave our mountain (and we can develop reservoirs of the nutrient-water)? If I were a curious organism and I noticed a red-tinged stream (like we did when we came here), I would follow it to its source. Which is where we've made our home.

>>31609190
Thirding.

>>31609152
>Eat the film
>Eat the juice
>Eat the roots

>>31609291
Juice first. The lump in the cave had edible juice but the lump itself was inedible

>>31609291
>roots
>juice

>>31609291

Porque no los tres?

But yeah, this guy: >>31609329
Juice, roots, film.

>>31609291
>juice
We've had good experience with that.

>>31609329
It is probably the exact same substance.

>>31609291
Juice first. If the juice is toxic, there's no way in hell we're going to be able to test the other two now since they'll get covered in juice during extraction and we have no way to clean them on site.

If the juice is poison, we'll just have to grab samples of the other two and test them later.

>>31609359

But the water in the stream was red, and this water is brownish. The fungal masses producing both of these are very different as well.

QD, next time you probably want to post the pastebin in your OP, makes it easier for us to find.

>>31609291
Have 3 drones eat them all. Don't you want to be sure of their effects? Drones are so expendable. It is worth sacrificing them to learn even the smallest thing about something.

>>31609395
If all three drones eat all three, then we have no one to bring samples back.

>>31609395
Drones are a resource we need to carefully marshall until we reach the mid triple digits.

>>31609367

This unit of the collective makes good points. I concur with it.

>>31609421
I think we assigned 5 drones to each scouting group.

>>31609291
Your drone scoops up a lump of the thick syrup and quickly swallows it. It tastes sweet, and slightly spicy. After a short while you sense no ill effects and command another drone to do the same with the roots. They are stringy and salty, and seem to hold no nutrition at all, likely they serve as anchors for the film, or as a way to collect food in the water. You command a third to eat the film itself, and the worker begins to hack and wheeze as the surprisingly dry substance breaks into powder in its mouth. You wait a short while, but the worker reports nothing abnormal.

Something is off about it though. You are unsure as to what, but the thoughts from the worker feel strange, as if they are on a delay.

>>31609505
Dropped your trip?

But: great, a narcotic.

>>31609505
>Delay
Hm...drug of some sort, perhaps. We should take a sample to a thinker to look it over, maybe?
Either way, we have found a nice source of nutrients.

>>31609530
this is me
>>31609530
You are uncertain. The worker detects nothing wrong, but you feel its senses distorted, and your control diluted.

>>31609580

Very good, bring back samples of all 3. The powder sounds like it will make an excellent stiptic powder.

>>31609567
>Hm...drug of some sort, perhaps.
How about we take a sample, present it to the biped once we begin to figure out how to communicate to it.

>>31609505
They won't be eating any more of that.

>>31609597

Styptic* oops.

>>31609505
Your drones gather the samples, pinching them into the crevices under their blades.

Meanwhile, on the mossy plains your last 5 drones spot a number of objects in the misty rain. They seem very large, and your drones can feel their lumbering footsteps even from here, but the plains are open and there is no place for them to hide. You know there are air born predators in this area, if such a creature were to attack you doubt your drones would find cover in time.

>move in and investigate, it is worth the risk
>follow the treeline and try to find a vantage point that is not in the open
>return to the hive, we can search the area at a later time
>other

>>31609738
>return to the hive, we can search the area at a later time

>>31609738
>>return to the hive, we can search the area at a later time

How large is "very large"? What's the scale in relation to the captured biped?

>>31609738
Hm...Follow the tree lines. Would provide a way better scouting territory.

>>31609738

Return to the hive, we can search the area later with superior drones and some warriors.

>>31609804
It is difficult to say at this distance, but it must be many times its size. By the trembling of the ground from their movement, your thinker estimates nearly ten feet in height.

>>31609738
You decide they are far enough from home, and recall them back to the hive. They begin the trek around the jungle, and by the time they reach the shore your drones have finished collecting their samples. Your drones reach the hive entrance soon enough and present their findings to you and the thinker, placing them in separate locations to be analyzed in more detail.

New research options
Study samples - medium, may offer new source of food, or offer warning of toxic chemicals

>switch research
>continue research

You look upon the bi-ped's broken form. Now that it is in your hive and away from the spores, it appears to be breathing more regularly. Its legs appear damaged, but the bleeding has stopped for the most part, and pieces of its suit have become swollen and rigid around the areas of the most critical damage. What will you do with it?

>kill it
>carve out a cell to hold it
>stick it to the wall with your workers' saliva
>do not restrain it
>other

>>31609738

>return to the hive, we can search the area at a later time

>>31610150
>stick it to the wall with your workers' saliva
>>31610150
>continue research
We will research it later.
We should hatch 3 thinkers and 3 warriors.

>>31610150

>Switch research: Study Samples

>Carve out a cell to hold it.
Station 1 worker by the cell. Of course its weapons has been removed, right?

Consume 10 first-gen workers, hatch 10 workers, 2 thinkers, and 2 extra-heavy/fighty warriors.

Assign 9 (one's guarding the human) to create reservoirs for the Nutrient-water to flow into, and try to dam its flow out of the mountain.

>>31610150
>stick it to the wall with your workers' saliva

>continue research

>>31610150
>Continue research
Human first, then new foods.

>Human
Curious. Would keeping him alive make research easier? Or is there no reason not to keep it alive?

Also
>Stick to walls of hive
God that shit is so alien. I love it.

>>31610241
of course. The bi-ped's lightning gun has been taken away for later research.

You have 19 workers and 1 thinker available and 155 nutrients.

>>31610150
>>stick it to the wall with your workers' saliva

It's injured, it won't have the strength to escape the hold.

Also, that suit sounds like it's got some fancy damage-reactive protection going on. We can strip it from him and see how it works. Maybe if we evolve it on our drones, it'll provide them with temporary injury negation.

We need to hatch thinkers so we can just research all of this at once.

>>31610150
>continue research
>carve out a cell to hold it
The cell can be used for other things later as well

Let's hatch>>31610206, because >>31610241
is a bit much, we won't be able to sustain them.

Let's hold off on hatching anything before we make sure new food is safe.

>>31610345
We need nutrient income to support the thinkers or they'll all just starve at the start f the next cycle.

>>31610392
We will have enough. We have 150 in reserves.

>>31610401
He means sustaining. We don't have the income to support researchers for too long. Our bank is all we have.

>>31610150
You order your workers to take the bi-ped and, grinding up several mouth-fulls of stone, quickly encase the creature's limbs and torso, embedding it in a rock-hard cocoon attached to the wall of your cave. It may still take some time for it to wake, but you will figure out what to do with it when the time comes. For now, you must grow your numbers.

19 workers are idle. Thinker bonus lost due to research.
155 nutrients available, net income 2

What kinds of drones do you wish to create, and how will you delegate work to your current workers?
Your hive is currently little more than the single cave of your throne room, with three caves leading out and to the mountain side.

>>31610300
Multiple thinkers = multiple research projects going on?

I say we birth at least one more thinker and some workers to help the thinkers with research.
Set a thinker to examine local flora, then we get a farm going on and plenty of nutrition to lay shittons of eggs for anything we desire.

Alternatively, we research the lightning gun fully, to the point we can create biological versions of it, and we hatch some augmented warriors.

Then we eat roasted millipedes year-round.

>>31610474
I don't think we will able to evolve biological versions of conventional technology. To build things like the lightning gun we will need industry and metals.

>>31610453
>Workers
Head out to search anything we have yet to search with our workers. New food sources, especially.

>New workers to create
None, YET. I want us to have a healthy income before we make anymore drones.

But...
Can we eat all our workers, and then remake them without losing anything?
Also, let's dig out a section of the cave to be our 'granary' if we need such a thing.

>>31610474
Think of each thinker as a little autistic research point, which you can assign to any project independently, or combine them to research more quickly. They can also operate drones on your behalf if you are too far away, or don't want to be bothered with them.

>>31610535
Actually, one addendum: Add ONE thinker to our hive

>>31610453
Warriors would be nice.
We are kind of vulnerable.

>>31610453
Create 3 thinkers and 2 warriors.

>>31610453

2 Thinkers, 2 Warriors.

I like this proposal up here for actions: >>31610241

>>31610535
eating a drone will give back about 75% of the initial cost to make it. For workers you will get 3 each.

>>31610590
Hm. What is the benefit of remaking them? Tougher? Faster? Anything like that? Or do we not have any good mutations yet?

>>31610453
Worker – 5 nutrients to lay egg 2 upkeep per day, 2 days to hatch.
Warrior – 10 nutrients to lay egg 5 upkeep per day, 4 days to hatch.
Thinker – 6 nutrients to lay egg 3 upkeep per day, 3 days to hatch.

Send 16 workers out in the forest again. Tell them to look for edible flora and potential game.
3 workers keep a lookout in our cave system, one for each entrance.
We can birth a few warriors and thinkers in the meantime. We'll consume our first clutch workers later so that we have nutrition for our warriors and future workers. Not sure how many to make just yet.

>>31610608
If they die we can recycle them.

>>31610608
your current workers are cheap and relatively weak. New workers would be stronger and more effective, and you would be able to alter them prior to laying them.

It should also be noted that drones have no upkeep prior to hatching, so if you lay any now, you will only need to feed them upkeep after the incubation period.

Hatch 10 drones. We will consume 10 of the first wave when the second hatches.

>>31610649
So, at least laying them is a good idea, because it means we can save a lot of time?
Nice...I like it. Let's do that.

Also OP, I don't think we'll agree. Perhaps call a vote for the most logical choices?

>>31610588

Seconding this for consensus.

>>31610453
It seems we have a few more focused ideas

>replace all workers (lay 20 workers, eat the others when they hatch)
>replace some (how many)
>lay 1 thinker
>lay warriors (how many)

>>31610723
>replace all workers (lay 20 workers, eat the others when they hatch)
>lay 2 thinkers
>lay 2 warriors

>>31610746

Seconding.

>>31610588
>2 Thinkers, 2 Warriors.
That's a total cost of 30 nutrients over three days for the two thinkers and 60 nutrients over four days for the two warriors. At a combined total cost of 90 over four days, it'll significantly eat into our 150 nutrient reserve, dropping it down to 60.

If we were to spend ninety nutrients for workers, we get 10 more workers over two days and use them to more quickly enhance our nutrient collection process, build out the hive and create some basic camouflage/defensive structures.

>>31610584
That would be an expenditure of an additional fifteen, which we could use for one more worker. It might be good to have another thinker to double our research capacity.

Basically, what I'm saying it, let's think about getting the most bang for our buck. Instead of focusing on specialized units now, let's build up our resource intake and infrastructure over fifty percent more quickly by adding ten workers.

>>31610723
>Lay one thinker
>Lay one Warrior
>Replace 10 Workers. Have this half stay home to help around the hive, and scout, while the rest head out for deep scouting (suicide mission basically)

>>31610723
How about a vote for work distribution, too?

>>31610746
Pretty much this.

>>31610723
>replace all workers (lay 20 workers, eat the others when they hatch)
>lay 1 thinker
>lay 5 warriors

>>31610723
>>replace all workers (lay 20 workers, eat the others when they hatch)
This is not doable.

We have 155 nutrients. If we lay them all twenty, we'd spend 200 nutrients, knocking us down to -45. If we can go below zero, we would recoup 57 back by eating our current workers, leaving us at 12 nutrients. Then we'd have to pay upkeep on the workers that just hatched, knocking us down by 80 nutrient to -68.

We'd be roundly fucked.

>>31610763

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your math.

20 nutrients for the 2 Warriors, in 4 days they hatch and start costing 10 nutrients per day.

12 nutrients for the 2 thinkers, and in 3 days they start costing 6 a day.

20 workers will cost 100 nutrients, then 40 a day in two days. However, we'll get 57 nutrients from consuming our 19 first-gen workers.

>>31610763
>>31610820

In these posts, people don't know how into math.

>>31610826
I thought we paid upkeep starting after the eggs were laid, before they hatched to reflect incubation, nutrient intake by larval state drones. That kinda thing.

>>31610820
Did you make sure that the upkeep from the first clutch is converted into the upkeep for the workers?

>>31610858

We pay the immediate cost for laying eggs, then there's a period when they incubate where we pay nothing for them (this has been stated repeatedly), then we pay half the initial cost per-day as upkeep.

Only Queens and other very complex bugs (maybe a few specials) have a larval stage.

We have enough. We will send the warriors and our workers to kill those beasts in the plains. They will yield a nice amount.

We should send 2 workers north and 2 workers east to scout.

>>31610723
>replace 10 workers, hatch in 2 days
>lay 1 thinker, hatch in 3 days
>lay 1 warrior, hatch in 4 days
It's looking like this is the consensus, for a cost of 66 nutrients initially, and a rebate of 30 in two days for a total of 36. (this is probably more math than there needs to be, sorry.)

This sound right?

>>31610943

I thought this got support: >>31610746

Or at least replacing all of the workers.

Nothing has been decided on so far as actions for the workers while they await death though.

>>31610943
I am okay with that, since it was my vote. We can always make more later, I figure.
Time to crown a knight

>>31610960
Hmm, your right.
recycle all workers (100, rebate of 57)
lay 2 thinkers
lay 2 warriors
total cost, 75

Newbie here, i want to get into these kind of games; where should i start?

>>31611020
Fine by me.

I hope we find new food sources soon.

>>31611042
Well, reading the archives is the most obvious thing. But you're welcome to join us if you like, anon.
We're just chatting about ending the first cycle, I believe.

>>31610960
We should have the workers look for food.

>>31611020

I approve.

>>31611065

Of this also.

>>31611020
works for me.


>>31611042
Well you can jump in immediately, though I'd wait until QD's next post. I'd recommend reading the archive while you wait for the next update

>>31611042
>where should i start?
The archives.

>>31611020
Your workers will continue their duties until the new workers are born, what work distribution would you like?
>building (what and with what materials)
>hunting (where)
>carving out the hive (describe)
>guard duty
>other


>>31611042
Do you mean quests? The archives in the OP (original post) will catch you up to speed, and you are more than welcome here.

>>31611099
>Building
Hollow out a cave for storage. This will become important eventually. Is there anything in particular we may need?

>Hunting
In the mushroom forests. Search for weaker prey they can leap upon.

>Guard duty
Just a hand full to keep a look out. 2 or 3

>>31611042

Go to suptg, search the tag "hivemind" to find all the previous quests.

There's also another series of quests under the "hivemind" tag that I frequent. They're very good, but they're very much the 'hardmode' of /tg/ civ quests and probably don't make good beginner fare.

>>31611099
>>31611133
Seconded

>>31611133

I approve.

3 on guard duty (1 for each entrance), split the work evenly between the remainder.

Let's build a reservoir for the stream. I'm sure our workers aren't drinking constantly, so we're likely missing a ton of possible nutrients right on our doorstep.

>>31611133
You can carve out any room you wish. Having different places to store items, house drones, and place infrastructure (which you can design as a special drone) such as air filters, organic doorways, or anything else you think you may need.
>3 on guard duty
that's 16 to spair

>>31611190

Supporting.

>>31611229
So, 8 hunting and 4 building a storage room and 4 building a reservoir.

>>31611323
>4 building a reservoir
These caves have more rivers in them than just the one in our throne room. We should devote some effort towards channeling all the different rivers into the reservoir.

>>31611229
Ah I see...hm...
Well, I am not sure why we'd need anything except an organic doorway right now. So maybe build that out of rock paste/fungus?

I leave it up to you.

Split the 16 between hunting and assisting in building a storage place.

>>31611229
>3 on guard duty
>8 will dig a reservoir
>8 remain idle

A reservoir will likely not offer a sizable increase in nutrient income, but will offer a more stable source of water in the event of drought. The jelly is the main source of the nutrients, while the water is, well, watered down.

>>31611323
>>31611354
>>31611363
>3 guard
>8 hunting
>4 building a storage silo
>4 build a reservoir

roll for hunting and building please.

>>31611364
>It would help in case of a drought
I can dig it. We need water to survive, correct?

But I suggest 4 build a resevoir, 4 build the storage room, and the rest swarm hunt stuff.

Rolled 37

>>31611408

Rolled 89

>>31611408
1d100 or do you want 2d100?

Rolled 57

>>31611408

Rolled 13

>>31611408

>>31611229
Organic doorways can also have some eyes on them, allowing us to keep watch on the outside like they're cameras. We could even give the doors camouflage, to keep our nest better hidden.

>>31611364
Instead of a reservoir, we could always just create honeypots. We live on a planet that constantly goes from hot to cold, right? Droughts can easily happen, and we'll be prepared with honeypots keeping our nutrition from expiring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_ant

>>31611427
rolling for each, best of 3d100 for hunting and both projects, so 9 more, you can roll 3 at once if you want.

Rolled 6, 44, 83 = 133

>>31611518

Rolled 39, 24, 57 = 120

>>31611518

Rolled 66, 64, 26 = 156

>>31611518
Ah. If you want something other than the standard 1d100, you really need to specify in the roll prompt.

>>31611408

Rolled 95, 98, 93 = 286

>>31611518

>>31611484
yes indeed, of course the more bells and whistles you put on something the more expensive it gets.

Rolled 98, 100, 30 = 228

>>31611518

>>31611569
THE DICE GODS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS! PRAISE THE RABBIT GOD!

>>31611559
I know, i'm terrible at that.


writing

>>31611569
>>31611593
>dem rolls
>both sets miss the cut off
Why, cruel dicegods.

>>31611569
WOWZERS

>>31611610
awww they did. Well at least they look awesome

>>31611572
If we just make the doors more like easily movable cartilage flaps that can turn rigid to prevent access/simulate rock, along with a basic brain to recognize living beings and possibly advanced vision and antennae, it won't have much of an upkeep at all since it doesn't move or produce anything, although it might cost a bit to lay the egg.

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>>31611408
Your drones receive their commands and embark on their duties. They split up into teams as you begin your work. Your eggs are placed around you on the soft pile of mold, each carefully placed with love and care as you manage your growing hives activities.
It is not long before your guest awakens. The creature twitches in the cocoon, but to no avail. It whips its head around, wide-eyed and shaking with what you suspect is a fight-or-flight response. It seems to have trouble seeing in the dim light, and it takes some time to notice you, at which point it begins to scream. Your head shifts to meet its gaze, your face engulfing its field of vision. You are unsure if the creature knows you are sentient, but it is clearly frightened, how do you proceed?

>attempt to communicate with it (how)
>silently watch it, it may yield some small insight at least
>other

>>31611897
>attempt to communicate with it (how)
make marks in the ground.

like

| (some mark here) |

then point to

||

Try and see if they understand basic concepts of math
||

Rolled 80

>>31611897
Hm...what are the limits of our vocal chords?
Do we have any method of speaking at all? Or just soothing clicks and whistles?

If not, then do our best soothing tone of voice (I think it'd be amusing to try and calm it this way) and observe.

In the mean time, gesture "Shhh..." to it too.

>>31611897
Let's examine it's face to learn more on how it works.

>>31611964
you do not have vocal chords, you communicate through telepathy, but this creature does not seem to have the biology to receive your thoughts.

You can make chittering sounds with your mandibles, or perhaps a hissing sound if you tried, but you have never given it much thought before now. It seems like such an inefficient way to communicate to you.

>>31611897
Stuff it with jelly. It needs to be kept alive for study.

>>31611897
Well, we've bothered to keep it alive. Maybe see if it wants some water? Do we even have anything we could give it water in? I wonder if the red water is poisonous to them. Maybe offer red and clear to see what it goes for...

Also, any way you guys can think of to gesture "please shut the fuck up"?

Let's put our [whatever's analogous to a finger] in front of our mouth as a shushing motion. These things make noise with their mouth parts, maybe it'll get it.

>>31612081

I can agree. Whatever this thing is, let's shut it up.

>>31611897
>try to give it water
>tell it to shut it's face hole before it busts a gut

>>31612066
we should use it as a test subject, feed it anything that we are unsure about and see what happens. It's alive so we might as well use that for our benefit

>>31612174
We have yet to even establish if it will die from ingesting our main food source.

These things also seem unable to deal with the spore-laden atmosphere. They seem like poor test subjects, really. What's the point in testing things on them if they die from things we can thrive in?

>>31612167

Give it water.

>>31612167
The creature quickly looses its breath and begins to gasp, emitting bursts of terror filled whimpers in between coughs. You call for a worker who quickly arrives, in its claws is a small bowl of stone it had carved from the room-to-be it came from, filled with water. You take it and hold it out to the creature's fragile looking face, and watch as it quickly goes from terror to confusion. The creature starts making a strange, rapid cawing sound as air escapes its mouth in short bursts.

Eventually it accepts the water, choking on the first gulp as the strange taste hits its senses.
"Y-you're....intelligent?"
You give a courteous bow, officially greeting him into your domain. He starts making the whooping sound again, louder this time.
"I can't believe it! You understand me?"
You give another nod, clicking your mandibles for emphasis.
"a-and, you're...not going to eat me or anything?"
You must admit, you had given it thought. Probably for the best not to mention it though.
"O-ok, well this is-AGH!" It screams again, only briefly this time, as it shifts its weight. "This is great and all, but... could I get down. I need to get back to the others."

How do you respond?

>>31612664
If we can some how communicate "would you let me go if you had me in a cell?"

>>31612664
>point out its injury

>>31612664
Shake your head.

>>31612664
Hm..
point to it's injury and shake head. Then gesture to the swarm and then gesture to him, implying 'his swarm', and then point to us, as if to ask 'against us?' or no?

Just need to make sure if this guy wants a war.

>>31612664
Let it down.

Draw a rough map in the sand/dirt of the area around us in the dirt and prompt it to locate its home camp. Then point to its eyes then to us, then mimic its screaming. Proceed to convey something in the negative about it going back to its base.

Let it down though. Just if it tries to leave the boundary of our hive, have its worker escort (which it will have one of at all times) prevent him from going further.

We might try to strive for symbiosis, eventually.

>>31612664
"Look, my name is Ryan Lee, Senior Spaceman of the UIS Clarke, we were..." It grows silent as you shift your head across the room to face the lightning gun resting on the ground, then back again. Its head falls back to rest on the interior of the cocoon as it lets out a whisper under its breath "Shit, shit, look, I didn't know, I thought you were native wild life, I had been attacked, I was separated from my partner, if I knew you were intelligent I never would have..." Its face scrunches up for a moment in, deep in thought. "Y-you didn't see another one of my kind, did you?"
You nod, and turn to the corpse of the large creature.
"Oh... I see." It grows silent, its head drooped down and away from your gaze.

>cut it free
>leave it for now
>pursue more information
>other

>>31613029
>pursue more information

>>31613029

Cut it free, don't let it leave the mountain though. Demonstrate that wecan eat the jelly.

Give it a worker as an assistant, and if possible demonstrate that we only intend tto keep him for a short time, so his associates won't be able to discount his story of us being peaceful.

it'll also allow us to develop our military such that we can crushthem if necessary.

>>31613029
>Pursue more info
Let's see if we can't get him to talk more about his hive. They are most intriguing creatures, after all. Or perhaps learn if he is going to tell them about us.

>>31613029
>pursue more information
also secondind this >>31613175

>>31613029
>pursue more information
Draw a little stick biped and a little stick queen and then off to the side somewhere draw a little stick biped herd and then tilt our head inquisitively. Try to get it to tell us where its hive is.

>>31613029
did we at least remember to give some of our new children the ability to speak the language of these ugly bipeds? this was heavily discussed last thread but not mentioned when you laid the eggs

also, cut it down, its legs are broken and it can likely be convinced to not make the suicidal trip... and it doesn't know where it is, and we can follow it to its hive and locate it (lucky they don't have telepathy) if it somehow does find its way back, but honestly it will most likely just sit here due to its injury.

as for communication. we need to get some math symbols down, then indicate a time unit, then do a countdown to convince it to wait a few days (hopefully it is not too dumb to do basic math)

>>31613331
>and we can follow it to its hive and locate it
I meant to say "even if it could find its way back)

>>31613331

The lightning gun indicates that at least some members ofits race are capable of advanced math. No need to be species-ist here.

>>31613392
The lightening gun suggests this is a warrior drone, it is surprisingly intelligent for being so far from its hive...

... doh. never mind, we are well aware of the existence of non hive creatures.
Are we aware of any non hive sapients though? (from the preloaded history and info we got born with / was on our pod)

>>31613468
From what I remember we were amazed at the idea of a creature communicating verbally. So take that how you will

>>31613468

The presence of an extensively developed language is indicative of sapience, even if we don't. And even if we haven't contacted other sapient species that aren't hiveminded, we've certainly encountered non-hiveminded normal species so we're aware of the concept.

Where's the Hegemon?

>>31613029
You grow closer, your blades unsheathing from your forelimbs. He jerks back in his cocoon and lets out a small yelp and in a swift motion you slice the cocoon open. The bi-ped drops the short distance to the ground, legs buckling under the weight.
"Ghah! My legs, I think there broken." The creature adjusts a device sewn into the sleeve on its arm and the legs inflate rapidly, then constrict into a form-fitting tube. A small cylinder emerges from the sleeve and is quickly jabbed into the neck. As the strange series of self-repair procedures come to a close it turns to see that you have scrawled a crude map of the forest, with the mountain marked at the top. You point your forelimb to the drawing as you look into the bi-ped's eyes. The message seems clear.

"Right, you show me yours I show you mine." With a finger it quickly scribbles a circle due east of the jungle. "We have a camp here, not too far from where the life boats from the Clarke came down, but with far fewer predators. We had scouted up into the river not too far from here but we never found any sign of intelligent life. Shows what we know."
You chitter your mandibles inquisitively.
"Uh, right, what I was saying before. We were on a patrol, surveying new systems for colonization. We were ambushed by a fleet of apples and...well I doubt you would have met them. In any case, they have been fighting with the Union, that would be us, for a while now. Our ship was destroyed and our life boats fell here."
An interesting story.
"Oh!, I almost forgot, I'm technically not allowed to handle first contact, but the tech guys give us all these things to hand out to new species." With a flick of the wrist a small tablet emerges from a sleeve and is handed to you.


>>31613468
>>31613518
Non-networked creatures are known to you, and it is assumed that sapient life is possible in the same manner, but this is the first time such life has been encountered by your kind as far as you are aware.

>>31613658
>take the device
>have a worker take the device
>save the device for the thinker later
>other

>>31613677
>have a worker take the device
>save the device for the thinker later

>>31613677
>Have thinker take device for later. It is clearly important data if it's on a chip.

So these guys are actively going out and seeking for lifeforms like us...interesting...
Well, we would tell him we crash landed here too, but we can't really speak.
See if he has any...'questions' for us now.

>>31613677
Have a worker take the device.
Scribble the weird film and the huge sounding creatures onto the map, make inquisitive gestures.

>>31613677
>have a worker take the device
>save the device for the thinker later

>>31613677
Have a worker take it, then let the thinker assume control of the worker.


Don't want this to end up being a bomb or something. Smells suspiciously like a bomb to me, and thesecreatures obviously have a predisposition to violence.

>>31613734
>Well, we would tell him we crash landed here too, but we can't really speak.
not yet

on the one hand, i want to withhold that info and make it think we are native, on the other hand their thinkers will likely figure it out.

Their inability to contact their kind is a boon to us. we can get info but not vice versa. we can determine whether an alliance is better after learning more about their enemy. Or if we want to kill them all and study whatever tech they have here

>>31613593
heh

>>31613331
a vocalization specialization would make a worker much less efficient. A 'diplomat' specialty drone with dedicated organs for producing vocal speech would be relatively cheap, since it would not need much in the way of performance. Essentially you would need to replace the mandibles with a mouth built for verbal speech.

>>31613765
>Don't want this to end up being a bomb or something. Smells suspiciously like a bomb to me, and thesecreatures obviously have a predisposition to violence.
we could store it deep in the cave system away from other stuff. thinkers study stuff via drone telepathy not direct manipulation

>>31613792
in that case, lay one such drone. if the creature insists on leaving, insist it takes it with

>>31613778
Very true. But he doesn't need to know of our possible hostility. Not yet.

If we figure out something useful comes of their deaths, so be it. But for now, there is little cause to make an enemy when we do not even have a single planet under control.

>>31613792
>Diplomacy
Eh. Maybe just call it a 'Talker' drone. Just because we want to speak with him doesn't mean it's peaceful after all.

>>31613792

Add one of those to the list of things to be happy. Make it shiny, in all the spectrums we know of, that way no one can be alarmed by being caught by surprise by it.

That is to say, make it pretty and mantis shrimp looking.

>>31613819
>insist it takes it with
by that i mean the egg

>>31613821
>Eh. Maybe just call it a 'Talker' drone. Just because we want to speak with him doesn't mean it's peaceful after all.
oooh... some sort of self destruct mechanism we can trigger?

>>31613852
Nice idea, though I am unsure how effective a weapon...

>>31613677
>have the worker take it

new proposition
Create and lay a Talker specialty drone.
if you you can alter it in any way you like by applying modifications to the mouth (in this case, vocalization) antennae, back, carapace legs and arms.

>>31613890
Yes. Communication is useful

>>31613870
Bio bomb. although I was thinking of it not as a weapon but as a way to keep our secrets should something try to dissect it
that is, it can start a chain reaction that would dissolve its insides and destroy all genetic and structural data. either intentionally or if killed.

OHO! the fungus, the one that was utterly nasty to bite into? it must be a defense mechanism against things eating it, is our control over genetics good enough to replicate whatever it is that it is producing to make our flesh taste foul?
It could deter predators (then again, the cost of that is inability to recycle... unless we produce specialist recycling drones that detox)

>>31613849
>>31613852

I like these. Be sure to include a self-mkill in case they decide to dissect it.

>>31613890
do it

>>31613920
replying to self here, seems like impractical when i think about it. a bomb will risk accidental explosion from an injury (BAD with diplomat), a self dissolving thing would be unnecessarily costly and convoluted. especially with the tech level (both species have FTL)
If we want to give it a hidden oomph though we can include a toxin gland

>>31613973
>especially with the tech level (both species have FTL)
by that i mean they have scanners (we do, accurate enough to detect life on planets in different star systems from where we currently are. as indicated in our first choice of planet)

>>31613973

I Like the self-dissolution. It is unlikely to suffer life threatening injuries in service as a diplo drone that weren't meant to kill it. Also, such a gland wouldn't be as difficult to make as you'd think.

Are we going to make the Talker more humanoid-ish for the purposes of not making them all scream and freak out thinking it wants to eat them?

Even if we don't we need to make sure to have it observe the bipeds and determine what physical characteristics make them feel non-threatened. Can't make them do what we want if their first thoughts are "OH GOD BUG MONSTER!!!!".

Meta as fuck, but big eyes and round heads with fluff/hair on top would go a long way if we can make it not look too much like a creepy doll.

>>31613890
A worker breaks off from the never ending line of shifting stone and takes the device. The small tablet lights up immediately as the worker carries it away. To look over properly.
"Queen! Thing is key! Many numbers, makes sounds and symbols."
You look it over through your worker, it appears to hold a series of very basic tests, one involving color coded patterns, another displaying a series of exponential number sequences, and another that seems to test memory. Upon completion the device displays a series of images that seem to represent the bi-peds.
Human
Union
Male
Female
There is a wealth of data here, but it all seems to be built around social interaction. Data regarding technology or genetic structure is left out.


>Speaker drone proposed
Carapace: vibrant colored patterns
Mouth: vocalization organs
Back: none (wings can be added, but will decrese the drone's mass and overall health, and increase metabolism, thus increasing cost by a small amount)
legs: standard (general, all purpose. nether excels or fails at anything)
arms: standard (decent strength and dexterity)
blades: standard (extendable sharp bone for self defense)

>>31614155
You could add a leg adaptation to fuse the lower limbs to appear as a bi-ped. This would decrease mobility and stability when walking or climbing, however, but may improve initial reactions by other bi-pedal creatures.

>>31614155

Whoa, no no no. That would just set off oh soooooooo many uncanny valley as fuck alarms. Let's just go with the mantis shrimp idea.

>>31614155
>Make horrible caricature of what a human should look like
>It is more scarier to them than our normal form

>>31614156

Give it fine manipulators on the claws. These creatures have such appendages, we will likely need some in order to function with them.

>>31614156
I'd rather it had hand-like things than bigass sword claws. It's going to have to be around the bipeds, afterall. something to better work their tech if it gets it's "hands" on it would be good.

>>31613938
what, like, some explosive chemicals so it explodes acid upon death?

like a Xenomorph's acid blood but more bursty?

>>31614156
>>31614214
Make it two legs, yeah. This can be our social interactive diplomat drone.

>>31613890
...do any of our drones fly?

a small, defenseless Talker that can just fly, talk, and has antennae out the wazoo for senses would make sense.

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>>31614221
>>31614228
what makes you say that?

>>31614350
But flight would make it cost more for not really much benefit.

>>31614323
we were flabbergasted by how it is possible for these creatures to walk properly on two legs. it is an exceptionally difficult feat to achieve and we don't know how to do it well. we could probably figure it out with research, but no time. also, i prefer it look at least somewhat like us

>>31613658
...well, I was rather expecting more xenophobic hostility here from bipedal colonists.

Sounds like that comes later.

>>31614385
From the sounds of things, the "apples" are the shits.

>>31614378
You're right, I retract my biped suggestion.. As an ambassador unit, it should be welcoming, but still mostly representative of our race.

Oh god, I had an awesome idea! it should be able to produce small beetle like spycam bugs.

>>31614316

Geeze, no. A gland that excretes an enzymatic cocktail designed to dissolve the major components of its body. The only reason things like this aren't used as weapo s is that to be used as a weapon they'd have to be too broad spectrum..and there's no reason to dissolve ones body in the wild so it isnt evolutionarily favorable.

So it'd just tur. Into a puddle of goop.

>>31614413
We're the queen unit anon.

only queens reproduce.

>>31614350
flight is more costly, not much benefit.
better reserve flight for what needs it.
like scout drones / sky hunters
I am thinking an eagle like thing, with poison. its small, it is cheap, it doesn't eat much and it can't carry big kills home. but it could sting one of those huge aerial predators and make it fall to its death somewhere, and then the drones collect it for food. or it could fly down and sting a large predator on the ground and again, workers collect the carcass

>>31614385
i mean also
>tfw no Thinker mad scientist vivisecting bipeds to unlock their secrets

>>31614444
not reproduce... they would be genetically identical to it, organs basically.

humans have living cells that are "unattached" to the rest of the body. males manufacture sperm cells in their testes, white blood cells are alive and are single cellular things, red blood cells are produced by bone marrow (and consume their own genetic code and cellular machinery to increase their efficiency; so they only last 2 weeks or so).

Basically, have it able to "shed" an eyeball and then grow a new one, and the shed eyeball has legs and telepathy to it.
might be overly ambitious project though

>>31614156
>Speaker drone
vibrant colored carapace
vocalization organs
no back adaptation
standard legs
extra dexterous arms
no blades
antennae? (current standard adaptations are sound, EM detection, or a more finely tuned set for a specific EM spectrum
special: self destruct. enzyme rapidly digests body upon death. (damage has a chance to cause pre-mature self-destruction if the gland is ruptured.)

>>31614517
It's effectively reproduction anon.

WE aren't really 'reproducing' either, we're producing subunits that can only think what we think.

>>31614517

I like the idea, but that should wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation before its implemented.

I think specialization should come later when we can afford it. For now, all our morphs need to be simple with what utility we can afford.

>>31614517
Expensive, and would require research, but it may be possible.

>>31614517
Your eyes are larger than your uterus, anon.

You can just lay those spy drones yourself, and have another drone carry them. perhaps in a specialized sack in its body.

>>31614548
Approved.

>>31610150
So how many threads does a medium-difficulty research take at 1 Thinker?

>>31614413
>>31614156
Back: Beetle reserve, 50count.
Arms/blades: Fine manipulation appendages.

The beetles should be roughly penny-sized, anf equiped with a death rattle. The explanation for their existence, should any be found, is that they serve as an early warning of toxic environs for the talker. No point in sending the drone into biologically unfeasable discussions, right?

>>31614549
we CAN give birth to queens (reproducers)...

>>31614586
heh, I love you anon, this is a wonderful saying.

>>31614582
yea, I was way over reaching with this one. maybe one day in the far future. when/if we have a star fleet

>>31614586
What this guy said. It would be so much easier to make a drone have a hollow carrier compartment/sac that our spy drones crawl into.

>>31614398
Quite possibly.

Or the war with the Union could have reasons beyond being "shits".

>>31614620
that would work too, they are premanufactured and loaded into the drone. the drone is just a carrier to other drones. we lay 51 eggs. the beetle eggs are tiny though

>>31614620
Is all that fanciness really necessary.

Just stick with >>31614548

>>31614677
If we don't establish this as a thing they do now, we won't be able to later. So, not necessary, but good to have.

>>31614614
depends on the research, current research is rather simple so just a day or two to dissect and poke around in the alien carnivore you brought back.

>>31614622
yes. What makes you a queen is not necessarily the ability to make drones, but the ability to think, project your will, and manipulate the genetic structure of your workers. You could theoretically make organic cloning vats that just pump out drones of your design. That would be a more advanced tech however.

>>31614620
Due to their size they would be incredibly simple, and would transmit only. Once released they would zip about like flies and would not accept input from you, but you would be able to see through them in a limited fashion.

>>31614763
I still don't understand what you meant the benefit was?

How this makes the drone more 'plausible'? To what purpose?

>>31614763

We can too. It'll die eventually, either naturally or violently, then the new one can have the spy beetles.

>>31614816
It would be easier just to make spy drones and send it towards the Talker drone, whom we will know the location of at all times.

>>31614548
I think we should cast a vote
>add the spy beetles (small, flying eyes that cannot be directly controlled, but will fly around the area and can be used as cameras)
>save for later to reduce costs (future research may improve miniaturization)

>>31614855
good point

>>31614879
Save for later

We know there are airborne predators around. Let's wait till we can extinct em

>>31614879
>save for later to reduce costs (future research may improve miniaturization)

>>31614879
>save
literally no point but saving travel time

>>31614879
>save for later to reduce costs (future research may improve miniaturization)

I anticipate long Specialization debates taking up the large space of time that EXP spending debates normally occupy in other quests.

>>31614931
It'll likely become less of an issue once resources become more plentiful.

>>31614879
ok, final form Speaker drone
vibrant colored carapace
vocalization organs
no back adaptation
standard legs
extra dexterous arms
no blades
standard antennae (sensitive to sound)
special: self destruct. enzyme rapidly digests body upon death

final cost 6 to lay, 3 upkeep. 2 days to hatch.

>>31614931
eh, I am the original suggester of the idea (the detachable thing, not the carrier of seperately hatched drones refinement) and I voted against it when I saw how it would come out as well as said "it would probably be too expensive" in a reply to myself
This was brainstorming rather then a debate since there weren't really sides. just people refining each other's ideas and accepting when they are wrong.

>>31615000
sounds good

>>31615000
I hope the bipeds will be feeding it out of their food stores after it hatches.

Can eggs incubate on their own and hatch away from us and the nest?

>>31615000
Confirm. Let us properly speak with our human...er...associate for the first time.

>>31615000
>special: self destruct. enzyme rapidly digests body upon death
can this also have an option for manual trigger rather than just on death? (actually... better leave it on death and just have a "suicide pill" ability)

>>31615029
>2 days to hatch.
anon........

all he can do is take the egg back with him, if that's even healthy for eggs.

>>31615054
We can still talk with em. Just in two days.

>>31615041
all drones would be able to kill themselves with a psychic command.

This unit may not have blades to stab its own enzyme sac with, but it can bash itself against available surfaces.

>>31615054
>implying we're letting him leave

>>31614931
hopefully only for specialty drones, and as you make more custom adaptations I will assemble a table of them and their costs that should help speed things along. (I hope)

>>31615028
yes. They have all the nutrients they need to hatch within the egg.

>>31615041
you could force the gland to rupture I suppose, although now I picture it committing sepuku...

>>31615090
there is little to be gained by killing it, while sending it back would create significant good will and allow us to milk more info. even if we end up killing them all after we finish getting all the info we want from them (since they cannot communicate it to the rest of their species).

>>31615080
not if it is restrained in an MRI machine

>>31615107
>hopefully only for specialty drones, and as you make more custom adaptations I will assemble a table of them and their costs that should help speed things along. (I hope)
I imagine it will a lot. since we would have brainstorming to invent custom organs, and can then just quickly mix and match those into a final organism.

>>31615107
>sepuku
honor, family, tradition.
that being said, sepuku is the pussy version of harakiri.
Harakiri is splitting your stomach open and dying over 2-3 days from infection. Sepuku is splitting your stomach open and then receiving a mercy beheading by a friend or a loved one to spare you the pain and suffering and giving you a clean death

>>31615118
I guess the only danger left is if they by luck disable the part of it that receives telepathy, yet not kill it, leaving it comatose.

Though I guess we shouldn't give him an unhatched egg that won't have self destruct grown yet.

>>31615029
Let's go ahead and send one or more of our workers with him, assuming they're in range.

>>31615118
I never said I wanted to kill it
just keep it in the cave for 2 days until the speaker hatches
then we can actually communicate instead of just handing it an egg and hoping it gets back to it's village safely and takes care of the egg properly

>>31615208
It may not be able to stay healthy that long without food appropriate for its species.

>>31615208
oh, yea. obviously. I meant if it absolutely insists on leaving.
Most likely we can convince it to stay for a while, it has broken legs FFS. we probably will have to carry it back

>>31615249
>it has broken legs FFS
I think he just fixed them with Star Trek Magic.

>>31615244
I'm sure we can find appropriate food

>>31615000
You lay your latest egg, a special son born to a unique purpose. It will be your voice to the 'Humans'. With the device the one known as Ryan Lee gave you you have learned that it is known as a 'he', and that their kind have only two casts, male and female. To make up for their bleak genetic heritage they seem to have adapted artificial devices to supplement their bodies. You still feel that altering the body is a more direct and efficient rout, but you can only assume they have some problem preventing them from doing that.

"Ugh..." Lee grimaces at the new egg as he adjusts himself on the floor.

>give him the egg
>have a worker carry him to his village
>keep him in the hive until he is healed
>keep him in the hive until the drone hatches

>>31615266
The suit is designed to grow rigid and serve as a cast in the event of a bone fracture, he can limp on it, but not much else.

>already diplomancing
Holy fuck guys.

>>31615249
>Talker drone hatches
>its first words to the bipeds on its diplomatic mission

WE REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS

>>31615266
they are in a cast. might have nanites rebuilding them but it wont be instantly fixed.

oh, their suit contains some interesting tools and we saw a torn discarded suit where its companion was killed and eaten by the predator (it didn't eat the suit), we should have a drone carry it back to hive for study as well. (and perhaps there was another gun there as well)

>>31615326
>keep him in the hive until the drone hatches
after it hatches we can ask him verbally if he wants to stay until healed or go back

>>31615326
>keep him in the hive until he is healed
>keep him in the hive until the drone hatches
whichever happens first

if drone hatches before he is healed then have a worker carry him.

>>31615326
>>keep him in the hive until the drone hatches
Someone doesn't appreciate the miracle of life.

>>31615326
>keep him in the hive until the drone hatches
Did the tablet have any sort of typing thing so that we could at least explain what we're doing? Or at least a language so we could spell it out?

>>31615326
Keep him until healed/Egg hatches

>>31615338
Not "take me to your leader earthling"

>>31615326
>>keep him in the hive until the drone hatches

>>31615326
We should identify any additional predators between the hive and the human settlement.

Possibly spies while he heals.

>>31615326

Keep him in the hive until the egg hatches, after attempting to ascertain if he will be able to live that long.

If he won't live that long then give him the egg and have a couple workers (at least 5, because this place is hella hostile) take him to his camp. Leave him outside it for them to find though.

>>31615382
It seems to do several things in a specific order
1, test to see if the subject is sentient
2, display a series of math equations to convey basic biological appearance, and basic terms
3, display language information (written and spoken) using math as a universal decoder ring

He has also told you the location of his settlement. It is extremely unlikely that they know of your existence, or of his situation.

>>31615423
His survival isn't that important, actually -- if he dies, it's not like we get blamed, and we can attempt diplomatic contact again.

However we should scout out a more precise location of their camps to the east.

>>31615461
>basic terms
any way to convey "wait 2 days"?

>>31615486

Well don't necessarily devalue his survival. It's 'important' in so far as if we lose him we lose a significant boon.

His death carries a high opportunity cost, is what I'm trying to say.

>>31615486
>His survival isn't that important, actually -- if he dies, it's not like we get blamed, and we can attempt diplomatic contact again.
true, but if he survives we appear more friendly to them then we really are. and they are more likely to share info with us.
torture, betrayal, and revealing info under duress is a foreign concept to us

>>31615495
well, it contains written language info

>>31615326

Eh, just give him the egg and send him off to his village.

Let's not overcomplicate this.

>>31615486
>His survival isn't that important, actually

Having one of their own vouch for us is still pretty useful at this stage at least.

>>31615326
>keep him in the hive until the drone hatches
Convey to him in writing to wait two days

>>31615461

This will, perhaps, speed an ease our choice.

Ask him if he can stay alive for 2 days.

>>31615524
Not really.

Queens may be the only sentient life we're familiar with.

But nothing's to say that we don't know of inter-colony politics getting complicated, digging info out of rival queens, yes?

>>31615547
We won't need that with a Talker Drone?

We didn't actually do him any favors, did we. We just moved his injured unconscious body.

>>31615574

Eh, the concepts he mentioned probably are foreign to us.

>>31615461
How long will it take for the Thinker to figure out their writing system?

>>31615461
Anyway for us to see what the dude wants to do? I Mean his legs are all jacked up and he may want recovery time to start with.

>>31615574
>But nothing's to say that we don't know of inter-colony politics getting complicated, digging info out of rival queens, yes?
most likely done via cloak and dagger wheeling and dealing "I will be your ally" get info and then backstab rather then torture.

heck, direct brain dissection might be possible