Presumably they didn't have access to it, didn't know about it, or didn't care enough to try.

I'm sick of /v/. It hurts. Take me back, /tg/.

why would they want to?

Help me flesh out a Morrowind campaign I'm trying to create?

>>31692133
What did you have in mind?

>>31692140
Well, it would probably be set during the game's events. Players would likely be a small band of adventurers, unrelated to the prophecy. That's all I have so far, honestly. I thought of making it during the Red Year, but figured making it during the Morrowind timeline gives me a lot more options.

>>31692183
That does leave a lot of options.

Something cool would be having a persistent world in relation to the events of the game. By that I mean take the Nerevarine into consideration and sort of work the quests that he's done into the narrative, if it's appropriate.

>>31692289
Yeah, I figured I would allude to the events a bit. Make the world react to it, you know? But for the most part, I wanna make the campaign about the players, with the timeline being a backdrop.

>>31692340
There's a lot of cool stuff going on in Morrowind at pretty much any given date.

Would you allow travel outside of the island?

>>31692701
Due to my limited knowledge of anything but Vvardenfall, I might limit the world to just that.

>>31692750
That's fair. There's more than enough content to keep your players busy.

>>31693072
The problem is I lack a good hook. I'm not sure which direction to give them a nudge in. Any ideas for quests and whatnot?

>>31693119
Not the guy you were talking to, but doing work for one of the great houses seems like an easy enough way to give structure. Or any other guild or faction, really. Lots of opportunities for politics and assassination. For more adventure-y adventures, expeditions beyond the Ghostfence are an opportunity to stumble over weird shit, as are Dwemer ruins, and tombs. Minor slave uprisings present roleplaying possibilities.

>>31693119
Some of the most interesting aspects in my opinion is the dichotomy of crime and culture in Vvardenfell. Maybe something with the Temple and Camonna Tong? They could be Guild members too.

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>>31691934

They absolutely knew about and had access to both the Heart and Numidium. They acquired both at the end of the War of the First Council in 1E 700.

They gave Numidium to Tiber Septim in 2E 896, as part of The Treaty of the Armistice, in return for the freedom of religion and perseverance of the ancient Dunmeri right to own and trade slaves.

They lost access to the Heart in 2E 882, when Dagoth Ur and his minions awakened and chased them away. This is also the same year that Dagoth Ur began working on Akulakhan.

>>31692115

Given the fact that they were so power-hungry that they murdered their own leader/friend/husband/muatra-hole Nerevar, I don't see any reason for them to have quit while they were ahead.

>>31693545
>>31693599

Sounds good. What's a good system to run with? How is UESRPG?

>>31693733
Why would a god need a robot?

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>>31692183

You could always rip quests directly from the game. Barring that, here are some other ideas:

The party is hired by a wealthy individual, Great House, the Temple, Imperial Legion, or East Empire Company to...
•Track down and capture or kill a small tribe of outcast Ashlanders have been ambushing travelling merchants and pillaging small settlements. The party learns how difficult it is to track footprints left in ash and defend themselves from guerrilla fighters and blight storms.
•Cure a Blighted Kwama Queen. Little do they know, the Queen and other Kwama in the cave have been blighted by a small group of Sixth House cultists that have dug a secret tunnel into the cave from the lower levels of a nearby Velothi fortress which serves as their headquarters.
•Defeat a group of smugglers and capture their cargo... which happens to be a fuckton of ash statues.
•Settle a conflict between two factions within the Fighters Guild that have been hired by the Thieves Guild and Camonna Tong respectively.
•Confront a belligerent Nord who has been harassing Mer at the local cornerclub, drunkenly shouting "SEEN ANY ELVES!?"

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So what's the difference between volcanic glass and meteoritic glass? And how does malachite fit into the equation?

>>31691845
To anybody who has run the UESRPG, how hard will it be for a group mostly casuals to get into? I'll be running it and I'm not exactly a slacker but I'm no expert. We also plan to play with a bit of dope in the mix so I just want to make sure if it'll be decent for them. Figured I'd ask the experts.

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>>31693861
The three "gods" of the Almsivi, powered by the Heart of Lorkhan alone
>ruled over Morrowind and Morrowind ONLY
>needed outside help to repel an Akaviri invasion
>failed to foresee or prevent the destruction of Mournhold by Mehrunes Dagon
>failed to foresee or prevent Dagoth Ur returning and preventing them from accessing the Heart
>continually weakened because their actions were non-aligned with the Padomaic nature of the Heart

Tiber Septim with Numidium, powered by the Mantella
>fuckin REKT Alinor in an hour

The events of Daggerfall, using Numidium
>High Rock nobles conquering each other effortlessly
>Empire solidifying its control of the region
>Orsinium existing
>Mannimarco becoming a god

>>31694204

They can also be hired to find the sweetroll maker, so he can make a dozen sweetrolls for the patron who hired the players.

On their return trip, they will be accosted by bandits aiming to steal the sweetrolls...

>>31694400
He wants to run a Morrowind campaign, not generic winter campaign.

>>31694386
>fuckin REKT Alinor in an hour
To be fair, that hour lasted for two years.

>>31692183
How about post-Red Year? Make them part of a Redoran reclamation force.

>>31693847
That's probably your best bet right now.

>>31694528

When you're piloting an anti-time god-machine, no second on the clock is relevant.

>>31694429
>Thinking that the stealing of the sweetrole is a Skyrim only Bethesda trope

>>31695107
Most memorable from Skyrim. When were sweetrolls even really mentioned aside from the class quiz?

>>31695162
Didn't you play the generic winter expansion pack?

>>31695350
Honestly, no.

So... How did Martin's sacrafice uncage the dragon from the amulet?

Dragonbreak! Every PC is the Agent/the Eternal Champion/the Nerevarine/the Hero of Kvatch/The Dragonborn. There you go, people.

>>31694386
And depending on whether or not you like MK, the Numidium
>activated in the fifth era and killed all comers
>defeated or otherwise stopped the nerevarine
>genocided almost every race
>ripped Nirn open

>>31694528
He was just being thorough.

>>31695511
wait...wut?

>>31695667
http://c0da.es/

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>>31694528

The point is that the Tribunal would've been a lot more powerful if they used Numidium.

>>31694360

Meteoric glass has either been energized by Aetherius or is actually from Aetherius itself. The Ayleids used it to make Welkynd Stones and stuff.

Volcanic glass is the result of earth/stone being touched by blood that dripped from Lorkhan's heart as it soared across Tamriel, landed in Morrowind and created Red Mountain after Auri-El shot it from his bow. It encompasses not just malachite, but also ebony and I believe something else too iirc. This is why Morrowind has so much ebony.

Check out www.uesp.net if you haven't already. All that info is on there.

What is Chim?

>>31695751
When graphic novel MK? I can't waaaaaaaaaaaaaait much more

>>31695789
Baby don't hurt me.
Don't hurt me.
No more.

>>31695799
RIGHT? I want to see the Super Sentai Tribunal Corps in action!

>>31695822
Surprisingly that actually answers the question. Sort of.

>>31695885
It really doesn't. Or am I missing some analogy here?

>>31696309
CHIM is love.

>>31696662
>>31696309
Well, it's recognizing that I am you and you are me, and we are both him and her and everyone else.

>>31696309

Fucking Google it, this has been asked and answered so many times

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>>31696693

So it's buddhism?

>>31696806
It's like a weird mix of Buddhism and Hindu in the sense that we are all the same souls who are part of the oversoul who are dreamed by the Godhead. To achieve CHIM is to recognize that we are all the same soul, that we are all the same thought, and to still be able to hold on to yourself and your identity through the process.

When you DON'T hold on to yourself, you pretty much just think yourself out of existence in a process called Zero Summoning.

>>31695751
Well that was far more understandable than I expected. Either I now actually comprehend MK's writings or I am massively missing the point.

I hope for the former.

>>31696899
Welcome to the cult. There is no going back.

>>31696877
What is Amaranth then?

>>31696877
*zero-summing

>>31696993
Not a clue, you'll have to ask someone who's gone further down the rabbit hole than myself.

>>31697022
No, I meant as in, where does Amaranth fit in real world religion. It's not Hindu nor Budhist

>>31697046
I know. I'm a bit lost as to what Amaranth actually is.

>>31697068
Amaranth is the next step beyond CHIM. CHIM gives you control over the world within godhead. Amaranth is escaping the dream by becoming your own godhead.

>>31697184
Ah, so it's basically what the Dwemer where going for?

>>31697217
Close, but I don't think so. I think dwemer wanted to stop existing all together, but I'm not sure of that. It's only my interpretation. In case they wanted to become gods themselves, then yes. Of course, they failed.

>>31697217

Sort if. But iirc their aim was to delete the world their were currently in.

>>31696693
CHIM is realizing that you are in a dream/program, and that you too are a dreamer. A dreamer within the dream. Also google that shit. There are a bunch of jpegs and an article on it on 1d4chan.

>>31697264
The dwemer wanted to escape or find a backdoor where they could survive the end of the world/kalpa by downloading themselves into the numidium. It seems like they were trying to go for Instrumentality - Elder Scrolls Edition.

I have psychosis. I took acid and tried to CHIM.
No joke.

Why does Alduin want to rule over Mundus if he knows it's illusory and time is a lie?

>>31698646
He's addicted to the feeling of power.

Also, guys, if you were to describe the races by their core attributes, how would you summarize each race? Like, stuff you would use for COMPLETELY lore-accurate powers a race might have, as well as where they'd fall in terms of D&D style attribute modifiers.

>>31698646
Because he's actually Beothia and she's trying to take over the world and make herself emperor of mundas.

>>31698759
that doesn't really answer the question though, it just changes who its about
I think >>31698751 has the right idea though

>>31694373
Some RPG experience might help.

>>31691845
The Tribunal no longer had access to the heart once Dagoth returned, and before that, they were too busy having orgies.

Or they didn't know how to assemble it.

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>>31700203

But they had access to the entirety of Vvardenfell, including the Dwemer fortress in which the Numidium plans were found and Kagrenac's fortress.

And if Dagoth knew how to build a new one, why wouldn't they be able to? There were three of them, one of whom achieved CHIM, and another who was arguably one of the greatest mages of all time.

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>>31700545

* Kagrenac's library

And I forgot to mention that they had access to both the Heart and Numidium for a total of 3,102 years.

>>31698209
So if that's what it is, then Numidium is presumably EVA-01. Does that mean Tiber Septim is the Shinji Ikari of TES?

y'all know what the taverns need in this game? Wenches and whores. Isn't that mandatory to have in fantasy?

Can someone explain me what the hell is the HoonDing?

>>31701481
a fancy way of saying sword-singing

>>31701514

What is sword-singing?

>>31701538
Ever seen/read Bleach?
Swordsinging is forming a sword out of your soul or something like that. I think it is called shebai or something.
Basically a mage sword-singer would be able to make a sword using sheer willpower that increased his/her magical powers.

Or at least that is how I see sword-singing.

>>31701589
I see.

Thanks for ye knowledge

>>31701481
>Yokudan spirit of 'perseverance over infidels'. The HoonDing has historically materialized whenever the Redguards needed to 'make way' for their people.

just copypasting from UESP here

Cyrus was probably an incarnation of the HoonDing

>>31701626
Oh.

Well I'm getting conflicting sources here

I'll google it!

>>31701603
no probs. But I would read up on it before talking about it with others. I have most likely misunderstood a few things about it.
It hasn't been around because most people cannot form a physical sword. Most of the blades look like a summoned one. A see-through not-sharp-at-all sword.

/tgeg/ have been talking about it being the main characters power in the next game. The Redguard one

>>31701626
ouch I was way off.

>>31701637
Don't listen to me. LIsten to >>31701626

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53350/

Is this kosher by lore, /tg/? Alduin has street lamps inside of him that the mod author claims were devoured from another kalpa.

Are smithing/enchanting worth it in Skyrim? Also, what sort of build do you prefer, sneaky type, melee, mage? Why do you prefer that build?

Lately I've had quite the hankering for thievery, but it feels like so much of the game caters to two-handed melee types, so I'm thinking of making an orc berzerker-type next run-through.

>>31701660
>>31701626

I just read the "Pocket Guide to the Lore" linked at the OP.

Cleared things up!

>>31701750
yeah

>>31701807
you probably want >>>/vg/tesg/, this is more of a lore/tabletop game discussion thread

>>31701864
well that link fucked up
>>>/vg/tesg

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>>31701750

I haven't played it myself and don't know all the details of the mod, but I can say with certainty that there is neither anything in the lore that says there could be streetlamps in a previous Kalpa, nor is there anything that says there couldn't be.

Trainwiz knows his lore and I'd personally say that it is perfectly within reason to conjecture that there were street lights in some previous Kalpa.

Also, it is certainly worth noting that within every Dwemer fortress, you will find what appears to be electric (yet in all likelihood powered by magicka) lighting.

However I think that it would make much more sense for Alduin to have simply digested the previous Kalpa, and I fail to see why street lights of all things would survive.

>>31695789
You haven't read the children's story?

...and Vivec, with his books and his cup,stood puzzling and puzzling, " I give up"

" Chim doesn't exist, it's a crock. I've tried everything, everything but it's secrets are still locked!"

" I've tried it with sacrifice, I've tried it with alms, I've tried fighting, scheming, and balms!"

and he puzzled and puzzled till his puzzler was sore, then Vivec thought of something he hadn't thought of before.

" Maybe.... Chim" he thought " Doesn't come from a God .... maybe Chim, perhaps, comes from Lorkhan."

>>31702211

"Or maybe a Daedra! I'll call up my pal! The secret of CHIM is being raped by Molag Bal!"

Vehk is love. Vehk is life.

>>31701892
A bunch of other stuff is in his stomach as well, streetlights are probably just one of many digested things

>>31701750
Even if streetlamps are not kosher, it's Trainwiz so go get it.

>see elder scrolls thread
>check it out
>chim chimity chim chim charoo
>nope.jpg

>>31704870
CHIM AE ALTADOON faggot
GARTHOK AE PADOME HERMA MORA

>>31700545
>>31700800
Because they're fucking insane.

>>31701083
It should be.

>>31703171
>I spread my cheeks for Vehk
>He penetrates my butthole with MUATRA

>ESO blunder threads on /v/
>200 posts in everyone just starts arguing about regular TES lore
Step it up guys, these threads are hold no handle to /v/ atm

>>31707869

I lurk pretty much every Elder Scrolls thread that comes up on /v/. They have a far inferior grasp of the lore and CONSTANTLY get things wrong.

Also, if you're complaining that the /tg/ threads are less active, keep in mind that the average age of people on /v/ is probably substantially younger than people here.

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Geezer-bump!

>>31711149
How's awake?

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>>31711230
I assume Ur, or some underling of Ur

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Some more art.
Why are there no ruined gates in Skyrim?

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How widespread are skooma addicts in Elsweyr?

Okay, so, let me make sure I understand this.

The reason Dagoth Ur is such a threat is because, when he died, instead of going to the normal Dead/Dreaming/Dreamsleep state of a dead guy, he remained in Mundus due to being tied to Lorkhan's heart. As such, he is Dreaming in reality, and has the aspect of a Lucid Dreamer. Moreover, because he can 'awaken' into the Dreamsleeve, he can do shit there with souls that shouldn't happen, like turning them into Sleepers as well.

Eventually everyone would be Dreaming despite being in Mundus, at which point all form and reason would break down?

>>31711649
Yeah, you got it

>>31691845
>Ah yes, we've been expecting you. You'll have to be recorded before you're officially, released. There are a few ways we can do this, and the choice, is, yours.

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>>31711649
Something like that, yes.
Good that he's such a reasonable dude.

>>31711736
Yeah, Voryn's a pretty nice guy honestly. Well, kinda racist, but he IS a Dunmer.

It's a shame that letting him live would result in the cessation of all existence.

>>31711768
actually I don't think Dagoth would have ever been a Dunmer

that didn't happen until after the Tribunal used the Heart of Lorkhan and he got to it first

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>>31711731
>A hypothetical sweetroll? You're giving me a hypothetical sweetroll?

>>31711784
Ah, yes, he'd be a Chimer.

Still Resdaynian.

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>>31711784
Dunmer is just hipstertalk for Chimer

>>31711736
I always liked that about Morrowind. You get to the end, see the end boss looking all crazy with that golden mask shit of is, and you're all ready to duke it out with him.

And then he greets you with open arms. I really wish there was the option to side with him. He had such a sexy voice.

>>31711496
There's a mod that adds some. It's a great idea, but came off as a little tacky when I saw the screenshots. Did they just disappear? I don't remember what happened in Oblivion.

>>31711945
I think after the oblivion crisis the gates exploded.

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>>31711945
Cyrodiil was peppered with inert gates.

>>31711945
http://uesp.net/wiki/File:Oblivion_Gate_Closed.jpg is apparently what they look like
not really any of the Oht sigil structure

>>31711978
Makes sense. They didn't seem like physical, you know, gates.

>>31712089
You could turn it into a fun playground for kids.

>>31711536
Every person you see.

>>31712156
Can a khajit be a skooma addict?

I mean, they sort of need moon sugar. That'd be like an addiction to water.

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>>31712209
Khajiits need the sugar. And they gobble it like sweets. Skooma is ..something else. Sugar turned to 11.

>>31712209
That's apt.

>>31712308
I don't think they need it, at least not beyond their developmental stage, otherwise it would be more readily available. I think it's more of a luxury they're very used to having. Like table salt.

>>31694386
>>continually weakened because their actions were non-aligned with the Padomaic nature of the Heart

What constitutes an action being Padomaic?

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>>31714172
Entropy.

Though to be fair, that's a simplistic reading of ALMSIVI.

They were not all Anuics, just Almalexia, Golden Queen of Mournhold.. Sotha Sil was subtly Padomaic, more for his association to the physical world than his temperament (Auri-El is Time and Lorkhan is Space, after all). Vivec, of course, is the intersection of about twelve dozen different dualities, and cannot be rightly described as either, for he exhibits qualities of both.

Basically, it's like this:

Almalexia is the incarnation of Anu, Time, the firmament, and dominion.

Sotha Sil is the incarnation of Padomay, Space (as he is the Engineer of Nirn), the sea, and knowledge.

Vivec is every possible intersection of the two, and what do you call the intersection between Anu and Padomay? The Aurbis, of course. Vehk embodies All, and thus he Mantle it in that particular realization known as CHIM.

>>31714845
I don't see where Almalexia's connection to time comes from. Wasn't Sotha Sil the most inert of the trio and yet he supposed is the entropic one?
I'm not sure I can buy it.

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>>31714845
>Sotha Sil was subtly Padomaic, more for his association to the physical world than his temperament (Auri-El is Time and Lorkhan is Space, after all).

I certainly believe you; I've heard other people say that Sotha Sil was primarily focused on aspects/schools of magicka that deal with the physical world and manipulation thereof. Both before becoming a god and after.

However, I can't seem to find any source for this at all. I may have just glossed over it at some point. Can anybody help me out?

I've also heard it said that, for his part, Voryn Dagoth focused on more esoteric and mystical types/schools of magicka.

>>31691845
>Unanswered question from the last thread: why didn't the Tribunal use the Heart of Lorkhan to use Numidium like Tiber Septim did, or even build their own copy like Dagoth Ur's Akulakhan?

For all they knew this could have been why the dwemer went poof. Maybe they decided not to fuck with it.

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>>31715575

How could they have known less than Zurin Arctus? They were gods, thousands of years older than him, had access to both Numidium (along with Kagrenac's plans) and the Heart, and had actually been present at the Battle of Red Mountain.

>>31715533
Piecing it together after the fact. Known attitudes and actions with a label.

>>31716100

Attitudes and actions like what?

>>31701083
it should be, but alas

So aside from Elsweyr where is Skooma the biggest problem

>>31717949
Morrowind.

>>31717483
Like, you know, incest, mariticide, technophilia.

>>31718473

Incest? Matricide? When did this happen, and who did it?

I understand the technophilia part though.

>>31718574
Vivec in general and Alma on Nerevar xxx action.

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>>31718629
You know, all the talk about Vivec in these TES-threads makes me think about that fade to black-scene in Vivec's palace learning how to use Wraithguard.
>and I worry...

I need a good hook for a Morrowind campaign. The only thing I got is a party of ragtag adventurers doing ragtag adventurer things.

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I have something related

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so, quick question: how fucked was mainland Morrowind after Vardenfell erupted? I'm doing a little landscaping project along the border between Skyrim and Morrowind and I'm wondering if the Morrowind side of the valley needs to be covered in ash or not.

>>31718629

When did either of them commit matricide?

When did either of them take part in incest? As far as I know, Alma was not Nerevar's sister...

>>31715435
Varieties of Faith makes a very explicit connection between Almalexia and Time. It basically equates her to Dunmeri Akatosh (in role - she's not a dragon god.)

>>31719227
Not matricide, mariticide.

Vivec got around.

>>31719520
>She's not a dragon god

Couldn't she be? If she wanted? Can you mantle hard enough to be a dragon?

I mean, that one Akaviri did, didn't he?

>>31719070
Mysterious Dwemer creations harassing nearby villages. Could this be a symptom of something deeper?

>>31719214
Ash, perhaps. There was probably flooding as well. Not too much damage to the landscape though.

>>31719642
Could you proceed to have dragon sex then? I'm bummed dragons don't fuck each other to make kids in tes

>>31719642
I don't think we know what that guys story is enough to say it was mantling.

>>31719700
His name is Akatosh backwards, man

I'm pretty sure he mantled.

>>31719070
An imperial ship arrived full of prisoners at the local port. One of them has gone on stealing everything not nailed down between doing good deeds for locals. Something must be done.

>>31719717
How exactly do you mantle Akatosh though?
>Oh no, I'm stuck in a human kings necklace and my bastard son is going to eat the world! Better go take a lunch break!

>>31719821
I don't know, but I'm sure it happens time after time

Has anyone run a UESRPG game and has time for some questions?

Where does it say that vivec was such a sexual predator? I keep seeing this kind of stuff in every thread I happen to stumble across. Also, can someone give me a quick rundown on what the tribunal actually was?

>>31719919
I have. What kinds of questions? I'm no lorefag my friend.

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>>31719952
"Vivec Rapes Molag Bal" Part 1:

Vivec lay with Molag Bal for eighty days and eight, though headless. In that time, the Prince placed the warrior-poet's feet back and filled them with the blood of Daedra. In this way Vivec's giant-form remained forever harmless to good earth. The Pomegranate Banquet brought many spirits back from the dead so that the sons and daughters of the union had much to eat besides fruit.
The Duke of Scamps came while the banquet was still underway, and Molag Bal looked on the seven pennants with anger. The King of Rape had become necessary and therefore troubled for the rest of time. His legions and Kh-Utta's fell into open war, but the children of Molag Bal and Vivec were too elaborate in power and form.
The Duke of Scamps therefore became a lesser thing, as did all his own children. Molag Bal said to them: 'You are the sons of liars, dogs, and wolf-headed women.' They have been useless to summon ever since.
The holy one returned at last, Vehk, golden with wisdom. His head found its body had been tenderly used. He mentioned this to Molag Bal, who told him that he should thank the Barons of Move Like This, 'For I have yet to learn how to refine my rapture. My love is accidentally shaped like a spear.'
So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of Rape's so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.
Here is why: The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:
'Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'

>>31719952
Read the Sermons and the Sword-Meeting.

>>31719952
He taught the King of Rape how to Make Love and it nearly doomed the world, anon.

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>>31720003
"Vicec rapes Molag Bal (eg. Vivecs Sermon number 14)" part 2
Then that stretch of badlands that had been the site of the marriage fragmented and threw fire. And a race that is no more but that was terrible at the time to behold came forth. Born of the biters, that is all they did, and they ran amok across the lands of Veloth and even to the shores of Red Mountain.
But Vivec made of his spear a more terrible thing, from a secret he had bitten off from the King of Rape. And so he sent Molag Bal tumbling into the crack of the biters and swore forever that he would not deem the King beautiful ever again.
Vivec wept as he slew all those around him with his terrible new spear. He named it MUATRA, which is Milk Taker, and even the Chimeri mystics knew his fury. Anyone struck by Vivec at this time turned barren and withered into bone shapes. The path of bones became a sentence for the stars to read, and the heavens have never known children since. Vivec hunted down the biters one by one, and all their progeny, and he killed them all by means of the Nine Apertures, and the wise still hide theirs from Muatra.
The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

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>>31720003
>>31720041

At what point did Vivec achieve CHIM? Did Molag Bal teach it to him (not directly but when they fucked did he gain it) or was it after Tribunal fell? Or did he understand it rationally by the time of his fucking with Bal, but to be free of this world and "activate" CHIM you need to let go of your love (in this case his love for dunmer people who gave him up at the trial) which prevented you from zero suming in the first place?

>>31719981
Just mechanics. How forgiving is it for a new group? I have a playgroup of lore buffs and ES enthusiasts, and this is a great system for them. Problem is, they're new to tabletops.

Can ye loremasters please explain me what is the Amulet of Kings, and its history?

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>>31720514
I'm having a social gathering so I don't have time to write an essay, I'll just post this pic, it's relevant

>>31720249
Vehk, the Son, achieved CHIM from Molag Bal who taught him about it. To my knowledge Molag Bal knew about it, but couldn't do it himself. But Vivec learned it from the King of Rape, and at some point afterwards learned how to perform it. This is what let him do all the god-like things he did, above and beyond even the other members of Almsivi, like retroactively redo his entire Past, so that he became an infant-messiah cyborg hermaphrodite, instead of just "Some Dunmer Prostitute who used to hang out with Nerevar". As well as wage war with abstract concepts and do so many other things he by all right shouldn't have been capable of even as a god.

This is also why he was able to remain a god without the Heart, while Almalexia couldn't. After the Trial he admitted that while he did originally kill Nerevar, he later retroactively changed history so that he never killed Nerevar. Vehk the Mer killed the Horator, but not Vehk the god.

When Vehk left the world, he either became one with Anu, or he achieved Amanarath.
>>31720514
The Amulet of Kings is an oversoul of all the past Emperors, given to Saint Alessia by Akatosh to keep Oblivion and Mundus separate. This was in part because the Heartland High Elves, or Ayleid, were a daedric people who enslaved Mankind.

>>31720684
Vivec shows up later and shits out a new Amaranth.

I also believe that he possibly didn't actually achieve Chim until his trial, but you know, it's all basically the same thing.

>>31720772
Oh, and I forgot to say that the Amulet is also from the future????

>>31720684
If he did not kill Nerevar, why does everyone think he did? On the other hand, ino one thinks he was ever a prostitute. Something is different between those two changes. Could it be Dagoth Ur?
Also, why does he say in Morrowind that he thought Nerevarine might kill hima and that all three gods will fade in power if he isn't going to lose power?

>>31720873
Just as Pelinal Whitestrake

Akatosh is doing a very shoddy job at keeping the timeline straight not to mention all the smoking breaks he keeps running off on. I say we vote in a new time dragon.

What's the relationship with khajiit and Moon Sugar?

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>>31720984
Read this. it covers moon sugar as well

I might get crucified for saying this, but how well can a Morrowind Quest go?

>>31720976
With Tony the tiger gunning for his spot, I'd say it's time for an election.

>>31720940
Because he's a petty, jealous and extremely vain slut.

>>31720984
Like ducks take to water.

>>31720940
Vehk did kill Nerevar. He just altered the timeline so that he never did. Vivec lived two full lives, both of which, from the perspective of the supernatural timeless Time, really happened.

In one, he is Vivec, a Chimer prostitute who manages to become a friend, adviser, and general of Nerevar Indodril, and eventually kills his master to become a god. He then breaks the Dragon and alters his timeline so instead he is

Vehk the Son, a golden god who lives a rich metaphysical life and eventually becomes a true god by deeds and valor.

However time is not linear or constant in TES. There are still hints of the old timelines. The gods remember. Certain mortals remember. Certain artifacts remember, when you break the Dragon you don't just neatly replace one set of events with another you split the timeline into a million possibilities all of which are happening at the same "'time". Vivec basically pulled a Sidereal.

And he does lose his power as a god in Morrowind. Its just he lives on as a new godhead.

>>31721111
A new godhead was born of his (or her, I guess) slimy spearhole.

>>31721111
>And he does lose his power as a god in Morrowind.
Shouldn't that not happen to those with the power to reshape the land?

>>31721170
It's because he was lying.

The whole time!

Don't listen to Temple propaganda.

>>31721191
>It's because he was lying.
If he was lying we''re back at square one - when did he achieve CHIM?

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>>31721229
During the Trial!

>>31721251
If the case is so, how did he have more power than tribunal before? Was it half CHIM before he finally cut his love for dunmer people?

Running a Morrowind campaign. I need some side quests involving Great Houses. As an aside, should I let my players join them, or have them rejected because outlanders?

>>31721291
I would hesitate to claim that he ever had more power, he just used it in different ways.

Depending on how you look at it, cutting off his people is the greatest love of all.

>>31721310
Let them join, but scrub the floors as low class nwahs

>>31721291

What would be an example of VV having more power than the rest of the Tribunal?

>>31721071 here.
Anyone?

>>31721310
Let them join Hlaalu.

>>31721350
What do you mean?

>>31721347
Changing his past, flooding the whole Morrowind and letting everyone breathe under it when the invasion from akaviir came?

>>31721356
Morrowind Quest. Sort of like the actual game, but as an adventurer instead of Nerevar incarnate.

>>31721382
Dogma and legends. Exaggerations at best. Never take the word of the very person (or group dedicated to that person) who's making those wild claims.

>>31721335
That can work, I suppose. Any idea for sidequests?
>>31721356
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Hlaalu have a memberbase like the other houses, except they're pro-empire?

>>31721390
You'd have to tweak a few things if you want to remove all doubt, but it could work. Ambiguity is the name of the game in Morrowind. Are you? Aren't you? Who can say?

Maybe through completing the trials themselves one becomes the Nerevarine?

>>31721422
What if he learned of CHIM from Bal and didn't achieve it, but worked for centuries to mantle it? Mantle CHIM itself by creating legends, having devout followers and finally finishing the process of mantling on the trial?

>>31721432
They're certainly the most open to outlanders. Crassius runs the joint, and heck, they even let Yngling join the party.

>>31721310

I'd say take a look at the NPCs in the game. There are outlander members of all three Great Houses. Hlaalu has the most prominent but even the Telvanni and Redoran have outlanders in respectable positions.

My advice would be to have the Houses judge the players by their actions.

>>31721487
That's how I think it went down, but I'm not sure about the mantling. During the trial it just went from concept to reality.

>>31721463
Well, the idea is that you'd hear of the events of the Nerevarine from taverns and whatnot. You'd just be a normal adventurer.

>>31721546
Have them kill Nerevar in the grand finale and then invent a lie that he journied to Akaviir

>>31721502
>>31721528
Fair enough. Any ideas for sidequests the party can be offered, even if not members?

>>31721546
OH. I think I've misunderstood you on multiple fronts.

You mean like a quest thread on /tg/? With the player taking the role of an unrelated adventurer during the events of the main quest?

Yeah, that could totally work.

>>31721608
Hah, yeah, that's what I meant. I just figured I'd.see what you guys think.

>>31721643
It sounds like a fun idea.

>>31721580

Kill this, find that.

>Make these ashlanders stop raiding us.
>Track down and eliminate some bandits
>A rival Councillor stole an artifact from me, find out who and get it back
>I want to set up a deal on the quiet with a member of another House, make it happen
>How about exploring these Daedric Ruins? Bring me cool stuff and maps and I will reward you.

>>31721643

I want to be a Suthay-Raht.

>>31721695
>Suthay-Raht
>not being a full blown Senche-raht battlecat

getonmylevel.swf

>>31721071
Poorly.

You'll have waifufags. Anti-quest fags. Lorefags. CHIMfags for whom every >Other will be >Achieve CHIM. It'll be a mess.

>>31721695
>>31721735
>not being a housecat in love with a dunmer who'll never give out because your penis is too small

>>31721695
You can be anything your heart desires.

>being a skooma smuggler
Mite b cool

>>31721756
A glorious mess.

>>31721546
>Hear the legends of the Nerevarine

Fuck that, he's just another False Incarnate. So he became Nerevar? So what. False. Incarnate.

>>31721756
>You'll have waifufags. Anti-quest fags. Lorefags. CHIMfags for whom every >Other will be >Achieve CHIM. It'll be a mess.
>It'll be a mess.
Which is definitely why we should try it. I thought it was a bad idea. Seems very apealing now.

>>31721756
Anti-questers usually filter out quests to not see them.

Waifufags stick to their waifu quests.

I'd say my lore is solid enough as to not draw the ire of lorefags.

CHIMfags might be the only annoyance, but they can be ignored.

>>31721820
Fair enough.

I want to be Redoran as s'wit, though.

Because they're fucking awesome.

>>31721820
>CHIMfags might be the only annoyance, but they can be ignored.
Better make up a fun way to neutralize CHIM. How about set this game in Vivec kid's amaranth where everything is exactly the same only CHIM can't be attained?

>>31721820
>I'd say my lore is solid enough as to not draw the ire of lorefags.

Well lorefags who make trouble tend to be the fantarded variety who take ambiguities in lore and make a whole lore mudball of mutually-dependent assumptions, which they consider to be absolutely objectively correct. Since to disagree with any of it is to disagree with all of it, if your lore doesn't match their headcanon, they will be cunts about it.

Generally they lose through attrition though because eventually they get buttrustled and flounce away.

>>31721843
>wanting to be Redoran
Daily reminder to all you Redoran fags that Dres is the best house.

If I do run Morrowind Quest, I would use pregenerated characters to make it easier for players to have a consensus.

What good archtype/characters can you come up with?

>>31721882
Ideally the chants of CHIM wouldn't have an impact because if you tried to explain it to the average civilian they'd consider you mad.

>>31721912
Have fun being eaten by Argonians while we save the continent, slavefag.

>>31721932

Altmer Acrobat, pompous but skillful. A well-dressed poseur and lover of fine wines. Not adverse to breaking the law if his purse is running out. Enjoys adventure for the adventure more than for the profit.

>>31721932
>Grizzled Dres ex-slaver
>Typical Dunmer adventurer
>Alfiq sorcerer
>Fresh faced Breton hedge mage
>Sload necromancer
>Imga Nobleman
>Altmer Witchhunter
>Argonian hobo
>Bosmer nymphomaniac
>Orsimer psychopath
>Nord alcoholic
>Imperial tax collector
>Dremora pacifist
>Goblin priest
>Ohmes prostitute

>>31720407
It's very fucking crunchy. Pick and choose what rules to implement. It's also not that great in the balance department, this has been verified by the creator himself actually. And if you wanted to, help each player build their character, and teach as you go. Seems like it would go quite slowly, and it will for the first few hours or so, but once they've gotten a grasp on the system, it will go a little smoother. Sorry for the late reply my friend, was having my argonian maid polish my spear.

>>31721932

Imperial Barbarian.

>>31722149
>This group will never have adventures traveling around the world and beyond in a refurbished Dwemer airship, making new friends and memories along the way

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>>31722149
>>Bosmer nymphomaniac
Holy shit this is so incredibly wrong.

And yet I love it, because Bosmer are fucked up in all the best ways.

I want a Redoran though.

Just tested a game of Scrollhammer 2E with a buddy. Was orismer vs a single Khajiit Dos on a mount. Rampage USR models were obliged to chase after him in LoS and so the formation got broken up. Due to the annihilation match he won after picking off a few units, though I did wound it twice.

Was moderately amusing. Rampage sucks, even if it does give you an extra action. That was also the ONE game type that gave him the advantage, of the four or so.

>>31722059
Shit, that's pretty good. Got more?

>>31722287
>Redoran ash-knight with a illegitimate daughter sired while taking a pilgrimage through the wastes with a saucy Silt pilot
You'd play as the daughter as she tries to live up to her now deceased father and become a knight herself.

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>>31722499
At first I was like 'YES'.

And then I was ALSO LIKE YES.

Great show, nigga. Have a happy cannibal.

>>31721843
>s'wit
what is that analogue to? I thought it was just a general insult

>>31719919
First edition or second edition?

>>31722213 's complaint applies mostly to first edition. Second edition is much less crunchy, and seems better balanced. Still not perfect of course.

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>>31722529
My n'wah.

>>31722149
>>Dremora pacifist

I can't even...

>>31722540
I was just using it because it sounds like 'shit'. But basically I'm pretty sure it's one of those Dunmer words for 'outlander' or 'fool'.

>>31722149
How about a skooma addict Altmer supremacist on a quest to obtain power of levitation so he may journey to Secunda to prove Reman never sent any void ships up there?

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>>31722663
Flawless.

>>31722552
Second edition has no monster manual. The spell balance is wrong as well. I wanted to be a sword singer so bad too.

>>31722754
That's a shame.

>>31722663
If he did, we'd know it! Wake up, sheeple!

>>31722754
Yeah, I'll give you that: the spell balance needs work. In an email Seht basically told me that he was just gonna throw the spells at us and see how we broke things before putting too much time into the details of spell balance.

Monster manual should be in the GM book, whenever that happens.

>>31723265
I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon either. And when it does you bet I'm gonna hop on that shit. For now I use the d6 system he also has up under Other Elder Scrolls RPGS. Lots of room to wiggle, not too breakable, and light enough for beginners, but good enough for veterans too. I love it. I want to get that going with some of you /tg/ fags. I think it would be a very fun experience.

Was Vehk a hermaphrodite as a mortal, or only after he became a god?

>>31716096
What a friendly, reasonable face.

>>31721932
>A very lost Falmer witchdoctor
>A small tribe of Riekings out to turn the tables on those sassy adventurers
>A mildly retarded Guar named Potato who has stumbled onto adventure somehow
>An Akavari Tsaesci fisherman that got caught up in a terrible storm and washed ashore in this strange land..somehow.
>One of the other Fake Nerevar Incarnates
>A Dwemer, who like Yagrum Bagarn, was on an interplaner vacation when everything went down. Unfortunately you are a Janitor and have no idea how anything works but damn it, everything is a mess and no one else is going to clean it up. Time to fix up those ruins with your trusty Tonal Vacuum cleaner and Meta-dynamic polisher.

>>31721771
>because your penis is too small

Not because it's too small, but maybe because it's fucking barbed.

>>31726070
>maybe because it's fucking barbed.
Someone didn't read The Real Barenziah

>>31726109
Not everyone got a chance to read the Daggerfall edition of the books.

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>>31726109
Do Ohmes and Ohmes-raht khajiits also have barbed penises?

>>31726945
They all do. So yes.

It's one way to tell apart a Bosmer and an Ohmes that forsake his tatoos.

>Filthy Khajiit spies

>>31721932
A Khajit that lives life on a noble path: That of the fist. His name will be Punchmaster Beefcat. And he will not be gentle.

>>31723937
I think I remember reading something where he mentioned he was born a hermaphrodite, but I could be wrong.

If I am wrong, someone correct me.

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I don't mean to pester you guys, but I'm OP and I still feel as if my question hasn't been sufficiently answered and I am trying to avoid joining reddit just to post on /r/teslore at all costs.

Let's go over this again. Here's the big question and all of the explanations that have failed so far:

"Why didn't the Tribunal use the Heart of Lorkhan to use Numidium like Tiber Septim did, or even build their own copy like Dagoth Ur's Akulakhan?"

>Presumably they didn't have access to it, didn't know about it, or didn't care enough to try.

They absolutely knew about and had access to both the Heart and Numidium. They acquired both at the end of the War of the First Council in 1E 700.

They gave Numidium to Tiber Septim in 2E 896, as part of The Treaty of the Armistice, in return for the freedom of religion and perseverance of the ancient Dunmeri right to own and trade slaves.

They lost access to the Heart in 2E 882, when Dagoth Ur and his minions awakened and chased them away. This is also the same year that Dagoth Ur began working on Akulakhan.

>why would they want to?

Given the fact that they were so power-hungry that they murdered their own leader/friend/husband/muatra-hole Nerevar, I don't see any reason for them to have quit while they were ahead.

>Why would a god need a robot?
>>31694386

>The Tribunal no longer had access to the heart once Dagoth returned, and before that, they were too busy having orgies.
Or they didn't know how to assemble it.

>>31700545
>>31700800


Somebody please give me some new theory. MK and the gang have had this (MORROWIND AT LEAST) shit planned from the beginning (see Akatosh = Lorkhan's soul)

halp meh

>>31727254
Maybe they wouldn't touch it due to it being dwemer blasphemy?

>>31727254
Maybe it's a plot hole.

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>>31727316

I realized this possibility earlier today, and while it seems very reasonable, I'm not sure that it holds up to scrutiny.

>Sotha Sil created many, many personal guardians that—while chitinous or dreughish—were directly inspired by extant Dwemer engineering l
>Vivec is one giant ball of theological clusterfuck
>Almalexia (at least in war more) seems like the type of god to encourage conquest

Perhaps most importantly
>They created their own ideals of pious was and holiness, personally replacing the real Tribunal of Daedric Princes that had led the Chimer since they arrived in Readayn.

>>31727254
They didn't just give Tiber Septim a fully complete Numidium. That shit had to be put together or built from scratch and then tested. There's a facility Septim used out in South Elsweyr called the Hall of the Colossus where this happened. The Tribunal may not have had the resources to do this or may not wanted to be involved considering the Hall of the Colossus is now a massive toxic hellhole of broken magic and dragonbreak.

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>>31727418
*piousness and holiness

>>31727384

I'm starting to lean towards this conclusion. But everything else has been SO well thought out, no matter what you may think of MK's OOG writings. Why wouldn't one of the most important things EVER be any different???

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>>31727460

This makes sense. Perhaps they preferred to stay comfortable with their finite "godly" powers, rather than fuck with Numidium.

In this scenario, Zurin Arctus and Tiber Septim took a colossal fucking risk. I'm still not sure how they (keep in mind that Wulfarth was not around to help them at this time) could've been more knowledgable than the thousands year older, far-more experienced and resourceful Almsivi... Unless it is indeed a plot hole.

>>31727533
>Zurin Arctus and Tiber Septim took a colossal fucking risk
...which obviously paid off when Numidium rekd mirror logicians and destroyed NIrn. Not using or touching Numidium seems to be common sense and only ignorant crazy humans could have actually attempted to activate it. Good job destroying the world guys.
Be it a plot hole or not, I find this a perfectly enough of an explanation.

>>31727533
>Knowledgeable, experienced, resourceful
Considering the state that they ended up in, I don't think Almsivi were any of those. They seemed more like a bunch of fuckups that lucked into a situation. Even the smart one of the team, Sotha Sil, ended up trapped in the Dwemer Matrix.

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>>31727583

>fuck yeah humanity

As cliche as this could be simplified down to... This is honestly the only answer that has made sense to me yet.

Thank you, anon. I may now die in peace

>captcha: raped law

Stop it vehk

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>>31727627

How much better off could they have been with just Boethiah, Mephala, and Azura though?

They may have been incompetent, but it seems like Almsivi gave exponentially more fucks about their worshippers than the original Tribunal did.

>>31726109
Dunmer may be sluts but Barenziah is a greater whore than average. It's a gamble as to if a given dunmer is willing to be literally impaled on cat dick.

>>31727254
It isn't definitively explained. The time scale rules out the idea of them not having access to the plans (which would probably be needed, since only a madman would fiddle with the tools without knowing exactly how to use them,) had they wanted them, and Seht the god, brimming with power, should be a match for Dagoth Ur's craftsmanship and magecraft, if the plans required it.

Perhaps a Heart of Lorkhan set in the breast of Numidium would be inaccessible to the Tribunal for their periodic refreshing of their link to the divine. Or perhaps they merely thought that, it doesn't have to be true. Or that they didn't want to try to activate Numidium under the [correct] assumption that it caused the dwemer to disappear. Since they already had such power, why risk banishing themselves - I don't think they knew about the dwemer-as-orbiting-plane(t)s-singing-world-refusals/golden skin issue - by tinkering? A version of Numidium running directly on the Heart, rather than the Mantella, would be even more powerful, but I don't think the Tribunal would risk their immortality for it - Morrowind was safe and secure, and the risk may have seemed to great.

Also, wasn't it Seht that worked out how to use the tools to steal divinity in the first place? When did he start becoming a recluse, unwilling to spend time with anyone than other mages? Once he was spending his time confined to the Clockwork City, it's unlikely that Vekh or Ayem would touch the golem anyway.

>>31727533
Septim had a greater motivation, though. All that his eyes saw, he wanted to conquer. The Tribunal were content with Morrowind, and their own people. Septim and Arctus also weren't gods, and so had more to gain personally. There may be something worth saying also about Arctus and his argued status as an avatar of Magnus [the Architect.]

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>>31721643
Yes, because we totally need more quest-threads.
Please don't. Even if I might actually enjoy this one.

Morrowind Quest anon here. Anyone have anything they'd like to see in it? Sidequests? Anything?

>>31730372
I'll just throw out some disjointed things that I liked in the original game, use as many or few as you prefer.

Twin lamps.
Ashlanders.
Blades agents.
Tribunal Priest.
Morag Tong.
Divayth Fyr.
Being a roof-hopping hobo thief in Balmora.
The technical aspects of Necromancy, joint-braces and bonewalkers and shit.
Daedra worship.
Joining the Sixth House

>>31730992
Those are pretty good ideas. I'm working on a handful of character archetypes to offer to the players. I want enough to encompass all the good shit Morrowind offers. Anyone have any ideas? I asked yesterday, but many were pretty far out there.

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>>31730372
Muatras. Massive muatras everywhere!because that's what gonna happen, don't kid yourself

>Morrowind quest
>first reply is CHIM
>shoot CHIMfags down
>can we go on a quest for Muatra instead
noooope

>>31731230
I have enough faith in /tg/ for them to not go that route. If there can be endless amounts of waifu anime girl quests, there can be a civilized Morrowind Quest.

>>31731173
Just make sure your characters fit, and act like people in Morrowind do. They should have motivations of their own and be mindful that bribery and coercion are the order of the day, but not necessarily in a malicious manner, it's just expected as much as tipping your waiter is in the US.
These are also not modern westerners, they hold alien beliefs, ideals and customs.

Stay true to that and you'll be well on your way to capturing the 'feel'.

>>31727533
They weren't more knowledgeable or wise.

They just had some of that good old fashioned mortal chutzpah.

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>>31731258
Maybe.

>>31731267
Well, I played a fair deal of Morrowind and have done a good bit of reading, but can you expand a little bit?

>>31727673
The good Daedra had shit locked down.

Look what happens when you let the dogs pretend to be gods. Imperial incursion. Volcanoes. Ghostfences. Blight and Corprus. Ash storms. Reverse-CHIM. Anti-dreaming. Baar Dau.

It might have taken a while, but they got what was coming to them in most Loving way possible.

>How much better off could they have been with just Boethiah, Mephala, and Azura though?
A lot better off.

Though this is only a testament to how much ass the Dunmer kick (and kiss).

>>31731338
Clans are as important as family (and in many cases overlap), but the sort of family you might want to stab in the back to get ahead. Culturally and socially, murder isn't really a big deal. It's just another part of life.

Speaking of which...

Life is a test. Nirn is the arena. Overcome it and transcend.

Tradition. Tradition, tradition. Tradition! Family. Tradition, honor, tradition. Slavery.

Either be staunchly against any sort of sexuality or never stop indulging in it.

Don't talk to outlanders.

Coin is king.

Respect your ancestors, you never know when you'll need them.

Desecrate the corpses of your enemies for necromantic arts, you never know when you'll need them.

Properly maintain your family shrine. The Waiting Door is always open.

Donate your bones to the local clan Ghost Fence. The more the better.

Don't get your panties in a twist about Daedra, death, or, like I said, murder. They're all just another part of life, which is a test, unless you die (because someone you trusted betrayed you, but you're not that torn up about it), in which case you'll be venerated in your families shrine and/or dumped into a Ghost Fence.

Further reading:
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/ancestors-and-dunmer-abridged
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/ancestors-and-dunmer
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/doors-spirit

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/house-troubles
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/anticipations
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/vivec-and-mephala

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-morrowind
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-third-edition-temple-morrowind

>>31731749
>Either be staunchly against any sort of sexuality or never stop indulging in it.
Or both!

Hypocrisy isn't an unusual character flaw.

>>31731749
How much of this would apply if the players elect to have the MC be an outlander?

>>31731777
Undoubtedly.

Let it be said that, for the most part, these are more the ideals of the modern, metropolitan Dunmer. As heavily inspired by the old ways as they are. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

>>31731806
Depends on how long they've been in Morrowind.

If they're a rube fresh off the boat, maybe none of it, though they'll be easy pickings for less scrupulous Dunmer (without any social backlash - fucking over outsiders is a Good Thing). Except the idea of Nirn-as-a-Test, which is fairly common.

One who's been there for a long time will have picked up parts of the culture, and probably knows who to bribe, knows more or less what factions exist (though he may not know who's in what), and knows to watch his back. He's also probably become accustomed to the general atmosphere of hostility. And remember that there are still places like the Legion and Imperial Cult, and Ebonheart or whatever. Imperial towns. Outlander towns (much to the Resdayn's distaste)

>>31731806
Beyond a cursory understanding of it at most, not much. It would really depend, though.

Perhaps an Imperial commoner would understand their whole deal with ancestors, having manned a hako skiff or two in his time, while still looking down on it as barbaric. A Bosmer might find some understanding as well, having devoured his own father just this morning, but remain puzzled as to why exactly they have so much respect for deceased bodies.

An Orc or Nord might find simple solace in the idea of testing, seeking to best everything he lays eyes on (which is part of the reason they are so widely regarded as ancestral enemies of the Dunmer and part of the very challenge that Nirn presents).

We're not all so different. Except when there are massive cultural boundaries that are seldom conquered.

The Dunmer have one of the most, if not the most alien cultures in Tamriel. It's pretty great.

>>31731884
>general hostility
Explain a little?
Also question about Telvanni and the Mages Guild. Why is there bad blood between the two?

>>31731980
Fair enough. I really need to read up on Dunmeri culture some more.

>>31731884
Learning how to function in a world that you don't understand and never fully will would be a big aspect of outlander-life-and-perspective in Morrowind, I'd say.

>The traveler, upon crossing Shadowgate Pass, may be forgiven for believing that he has left Tamriel and entered a different world. The sky is darkened regularly by furious ash storms belched forth from the mighty Vvardenfell volcano. The familiar flora and fauna of Tamriel is exchanged for bizarre and twisted forms that can survive the regular ashfall. Cloaked and masked Dark Elves tend herds of giant insects. A courier clatters by on the back of a 20-foot-tall, crab like creature. Everywhere, cowering slaves - Argonian, khajiit, human - scurry to carry out the barked commands of their Dark Elven masters.
-PGE1

>>31732008
>general hostility
>explain a little
Most Dunmer really, really don't like outlanders.

There are limits on their actions because they are bound (mostly) by Imperial Law, but they'd still tend to snub an outlander no matter how long he's been there. Just little stuff. A slight hike in prices, poorer service, he's probably not getting invited to any parties unless it would be ludicrously bad form to refuse him.

>Why is there bad blood between the two
Because the Mages Guild exists to regulate magic, and the Telvanni don't want no stinkin' rules. So to the Telvanni, the Mages Guild is nofunallowed.png and keeps asking for 'guild dues', and to the Mages Guild, the Telvanni are a bunch of insane unlicensed wizards who keep assassinating each other in WIZARD BATTLE.

>>31732071
Well, aside from to outlanders, what about the general hostility? I understand the political climate of Morrowind is very factional, from the Great Houses, to the guilds, to the Tribunal and it's opposers, but can you explain the general hostility and cutthroat nature?

>>31732008
Arrogance in the face of an uncaring and arbitrary world, that's the Dunmer way. And you can be suret hey don't care about you too, unless they want to steal from, scam, rape or murder you. Especially when dealing with outlanders.

Harsh lessons and curses and betrayal make up the bulk of their mythology.

Everything is worn down by ash: their patience, their kindness, and their vocal cords.

Younger Dunmer are actually so obsessed with image that they over-exaggerate their gravely voices, in addition to the effects of the ash, in order to appear more hostile and masculine. That should tell you a lot about their general attitude.

The flora wants to kill you. The fauna wants you dead. Everyone you meet distrusts you. Gods and the dead walk the earth. The very environment is actively trying to force its way into your every orifice and infect you with all sorts of nasty ailments. Even when you sleep your dreams are assailed by madness. Welcome to Morrowind.

>>31732105
Well, it's kind of a hint that the Daedra of Betrayal is one of the Good Daedra rather than part of the House of Troubles.

As a Dunmer, your first and foremost duty is to honor your clan, and your first and foremost way to do that is to overcome the OTHER clans. It's a holdover from the Ashlander days. But you have to have rules about how you go about it, or else you fall into in-fighting and the Outlanders take everything while you're weak. Ergo the Great Houses, with their strict rules about duels and satisfaction between Houses, and the Morag Tong, who exist to provide a controlled, legal release of the Dunmer instinct to murder the fuck out of your rivals. Even the Temple can be resented because for a long time it was a puppet of the Indoril - the Hlaalu are so grateful for the Imperials largely because the Indoril pretty much shit themselves during the Armistice and most of them committed ritual suicide rather than submit to outlanders.

>>31732008
>>31732105
The Guild is a pro-Imperial institution (originating from it) while the Telvanni are one of the more conservative (or at least reclusive) Great Houses on Vvardenfell.

>>31732131
10/10 would read a thesis on dunmeri culture on. Please elaborate, wise one.

>>31732159
A note on the Hlaalu.

You may have gotten the impression that the Hlaalu 'like' Imperials. That the Hlaalu 'appreciate' the Empire. That the Hlaalu are, as the other Houses describe them, Imperial lapdogs.

This is not true. What the Hlaalu like, what the Hlaalu appreciate, is that as long as they feign politeness, and follow the rules to the letter, the Empire will crack down on Dres for slaving. They'll weaken Indoril by mocking the Temple. Their Mages Guild will interfere with the Telvanni. Their Legion will weaken the power of the Redoran.

Meanwhile, the Hlaalu can reap the profits.

But never think that this means they LIKE the Empire. The Hlaalu are merely aiming to exploit them. And since the Hlaalu are ALSO the most avid members of the Camonna Tong, they intend to take them coming AND going.

Hey guys, /v/ is having a shitfit about whether Morrowind, Daggerfall, Oblivion, or Skyrim is better. One of the main arguments for Daggerfall is that it is much more complex than Morrowind, yet some Morrowind fans can be seen complaining about how Oblivion and Skyrim are less complex than Morrowind.

Can you help us out?

>>31732159
>>31732131
How soon would an outlander adventurer who cares little about the Dunmer people and their culture be metaphorically be eaten alive by Morrowind and her people?

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>>31732172
This guy (who I'm assuming is the same person?)
>>31731884
>>31732071
>>31732159
paints a very good picture of Morrowind in relation to the outside world, from a political and historical standpoint, and is a good contrast to my extremely xenophobic andpossiblyslightlyoverthetop depictions of the harshness of daily life in Vvardenfell.

In reality, it's all of these things and more. There's really no one way about it. It's as varied as any other real location, in culture and belief, history and religion, truth and lies and legend and actuality.

But make no mistake, slip up once and you're a reanimated corpse, n'wah! Don't mess with the Dunmer!