>>31698624
Okay. But only the proper "telling the future by speaking with the dead" kind. None of this garbage about desecrating corpses for manual labor.

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>>31698624
420 raise it bro

YEA GOT TO LEGALIZE IT MAAAAAAAN. FOR THE DEAD CHILDREN MAAAAN.

>>31698647
>>31698624
Shut up, both of you assholes. We need to do more studies on the subject. For instance, if contacting or animating the dead involves dragging the souls back from the afterlife and trapping them for any length of time, both are wrong.

If it doesn't interfere with the soul, then we need to establish all sorts of legal systems to handle it. Body donor cards handed out to people who are okay with their leavings being repurposed, along with the option of DNC forms (Dead, No Contact) to fill out so that people can't use Speak Dead on you without permission. Privacy concerns are just as important as property rights.

>>31698624
OP, its legal in Colorado and North Korea.

>>31698624
You SEE what happens?
>durrr it's not a slippery slope
>durr summoning extra planar beings should be legal
>durrr this totally won't give necromancers a drive to get legalized durrr

I knew it was gonna happen and I warned you faggots.

>>31699136
The Federal Mageocracy does not approve of it, however, which means they could, at any time, swoop in and start dropping Paladicks onto graveyards and Necropolises.

>>31699110

There have been studies, clinical trials, and meta-analysis. Necromancy isn't any more dangerous than drinking or smoking tobacco and yet those are both legal. I am not saying it should be unregulated but we should rethink our policies.

>>31699171
The Feds can kiss my ass. Getting a magic license now is harder than than getting a gun.

What kind of democracy are we living in when the government is restricting our natural rights to use magic?

Also, Necromancy is legal in Afghanistan last time I checked.

Next we elect an undead president, Nixon's return anyone or perhaps Abraham Lincoln?

>>31698624
Making golems is far worse than animating the dead, and that's legal! Skeletons and zombies are made from natural ingredients like Dead People and Obsidian. Sure the Negative Energy is bad for you over time, but it's probably healthier than all that chemical laden cigarette smoke.

Making golems requires the ENSLAVEMENT of sapient beings! Extraplanar ones at that.

>>31698624
Necromancy and the Drug War are nothing but a ill seated attempt by the govt to keep the Green Man down.

Honestly, the weirdest fucking thing about the Necromancy debate is that it so often involves the assumption that harvesting of bones would always involve humans. Most of the animals we eat have bones. We've got a gajillion bones we just throw away.

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Necromancy is a gateway magic, first you're bringing back your dead puppy then before you know it you'll be sacrificing the innocent to contact the dark realm

>>31699407
>This is what Paladins actually believe

>>31699407

correlation does not imply causation

>>31699396
seriously, humans are such an annoying source of ingredients
utilising even the basest of livestock bones, one can craft quite the sufficient servant, and none of this worrying about "upsetting" the living, cause if you didnt care me killing and eating the damn cow, the fuck you care what i do with its bones?

>>31699407
You know, maybe if Necromancy were legal, they wouldn't have to turn to dark gods to get their power.

I just got my necromancy card from the wizards guild. Says I'm allowed to raise up to 100 pounds of flesh and bone at a time. Anyone know how to get some zombies without all that bullshit blood weight?

>>31699407
Last time I checked the Netherlands wasn't a bastion of Chaos and Evil.

>>31699110
What about a willing soul wishing to return to its body? Or a willing soul who is unable to inhabit his own and wants to use a body that has been donated?

>>31699720
Most undead aren't intelligent, so I seriously doubt anyone wants to be a glorified battery for a CR 1 skeleton.

As far as using undead as cars? See the post you responded to for procedures. If the body is empty, and property rights have been observed, then sure, why the fuck not?

>>31699667
Mummies. shit's dessicated, makes em light as FUCK.
You can practically make an army (not that I would) with 100 pounds of 'em.

>>31699785
>Implying that unintelligent undead are powered by anything more than the pure magic that created them.

Man, you're just giving in to the government propaganda aren't you?
My thousands of skeletal cronies won't- er, HAVEN'T hurt anyone.

>>31699796
This sort of shit is why the Federal Mageocracy needs to either step up and enforce its own pelordamned laws or just legalize it so that we can actually have some sane laws. States are not equipped to handle policy for an issue this important. It needs to be handled on a federal level!

>>31699839
I said interfere (which implies involuntary meddling) with the soul, so I assumed your response was riding under the assumption that the "propaganda" was true and that you were saying that, even then, there should be allowances for necromancy.

>>31699796
Dude the weight on mummies is fucking rigged i swear. I raised two the other day and they were full of fucking sand!
Plus all that bullshit wrap is always artificial and crappy, and those suckers burn like nothin else. Buncha villager teenagers lit them up shouting "BLAZE IT!"
Don't they know that shit is a medical need?

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WHO'S ON THAT GOOD PURPLE ARCANE?

Listen, I'm fine with a little necromancy every now and then for laughs with the guys, but if its legal it will be a whole new ball game. Do you realize that kids could get ahold of it and start resurrecting an army of dead goldfish?

Think of them.

>>31699888
Nah man, I'm saying that none of my CR 1 skeletons NEED a battery, aside from the piece of obsidian in their skulls.

Next people are gonna say that animating swords to fight uses souls as well.

>>31699967
Goldfish are pretty much half dead to begin with.

Fighting fish on the other hand, there's some money to be made there.

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>mfw I've been a Lich since 13th seed, 211 CE
>mfw all these underageb& making themselves out to be necromancers after raising their pet cats

Now I know how the Warlocks felt in 474.

>>31699967
Kids could get ahold of a lot worse than Necromancy, to be fair.

>>31699970
As I said, we still need to do more studies on the subject. I'm not saying they do or do not contain souls.

Also, undead still use Negative Energy, which is a pollutant and know carcinogen.

>>31699951
nah, I know a guy, he embalms them himself, free of sand.

plus, the wrapping shouldn't add to the weight total weiht, you're getting ripped off.
my advice, next time you talk to your dealer, have him open up the wrappings, if sand comes out report him to your local department of necromancy.
People shouldn't get away with ripping people off like that.

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>tfw illegally raised undead
>Everyone gives me shit for being an undead even though I never wanted to be raised, it was some nut fuck who wanted his own skeleton servant
>I ended up being sentient and killed him, now im stuck as an undead
At least I can do good, even if I'm prosecuted against

>>31700022
They get into that evocation and transmutation shit.

>>31699957
God damn kids and their recreational magic usage

>>31700025
Izzat you B1-66ER?

>>31700036
Both of which are already legal.

>>31700067
And both of which I just don't approve of.

>>31700067
Sorry, B1-67ER

>>31700022
What about the intelligent undead, like vampire's?
They're sentient, but they produce Negativ energy as well.

I say we stop worrying about the negative energy that's being released, and start building more churches to convert it back to positive energy. Hell, people've been practically tearing down churches in order to build their wizard academies, and that's for all the other "legal" schools.
That's what's doing the real damage.

>>31699669
HA. HA. HA.

>imFUCKINGplying

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What all this Malarkey about listening to the Mage Colleges and obeying the government.

Back in my day we would all just pick up the first homeless man we found then sacrifice him and eat his heart for strength.

Now its all regulations and sanctity of human life.

>>31699407
imagine all the good I could do in this world with some immortality anon. In 500 years I could save more lives than you've ever saved in one of your "Holy Quests"

>>31700153
Well, yeah, after the first lich was overthrown things have just gone downhill, in my opinion.

Magic's natural man, look at sorcerers. that magic grew in them. we shouldn't be limiting their potential with petty laws and regulations.

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>>31700121
>Vampires
>intelligent

>>31700175
>Implying the process of achieving said immortality doesn't corrupt you.

It's people like YOU that become BBEGs

>>31700085
Ah, okay. Sad to hear it, no offense. Pallies said they smote 66 after what he did to his owner, but rumors are out there that he got away. Was kind of hoping.

>>31700121
>religious man that supports necromancy
Now I've seen everything. Still, I don't disagree, it's all about balance in my opinion, at least as far as pollution goes. Besides, isn't it said that vampires farting produces more negative energy than all the Animate Deads worldwide?

>>31700153
People like you are why the Paladins won't let us animate so much as a chicken bone with screaming about Dark Crusades and Blood Wars.

Seriously, get with the fucking times.

Open your eyes people, All the Corporations and politicians have made pacts with demons. Bringing people back from the dead takes power away from the hell you souls have been sold to.

As long as we let The Man control our lives and afterlives. We will never be free to save our loved ones.

>>31700336
Dude, we've known that since Snowden or the fuck his name is. Hell people have been talking about that shit since Nixon.

>>31700357
Yeah, TALKING. nobody's done shit about it though.

I say this country needs a NEW dictator.

>>31700377
I concur, except instead of new we bring in the old. Who wants to go to hell and bring back pagan Caesar?

>>31700408
Caesars not in hell though...

Necromancy needs to stay illegal because simple skeletons and zombies are a gateway. It all starts there and before you know it there's shadows and liches all over the place harming good honest citizens

>>31700456
Who the fuck told you about my love zombie?! I stole his soul fair and square!

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>>31700408
Humans are corruptible what we need is a Dictator who is strong and unnerring in judgement and completely under the control of the Artificer's association .

What we need is a Golem President.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgf0bDfE0To

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>>31700464
You're just afraid of being spooked out

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>>31700526
I know who's behind this post

>>31700464
Just because poor areas have a higher rate of Necromancy doesn't mean it's the source of violent crimes. People that grow up in lower income neighborhoods are just more likely to be using it because it's a viable way to make cash in order to escape those areas. Viable because its illegality has inflated the value of animate dead!

Negative energy has never been proven to cause any long term effects. The real danger is the short term effects of extremely high buildups but that can easily be fixed with simple clerical purification rituals.

If all of the anti negative energy lobbyists did some actual positive energy channeling it'd never be a problem again; which is just more proof that the left wing are a bunch of lazy degenerates.

Instead of outlawing the undead the government should outlaw bardic magic. It's disgusting I tell you!

>>31700476
Return Caesar please, he has a Republic to abolish

>>31700377
Well, there's one old german chancellor that did fucking amazing things for his economy...

Failing that, I'd suggest we do the wise thing and get an AI in charge of a new communism. Easier to install checks and balances as core programming, and less chance of it turning on us than anyone else that we elect.

I mean it'll probably STILL wipe us all out, but better death by pulse-lasers than death by slow starvation working for below a living wage at the only place that hires (walmart and/or target) while you watch your children waste away because you don't qualify for food stamps with such high pay.

>>31700585
>outlaw bardic magic
Oh did some bard steal you're girl? Was she even you're girl? Did you even talk to her?

>>31700597
>implying any government would let something unaffected by magic in office
>implying anyone would do that

Skynet go to bed

>>31700597
Oh, I think I know who you're talking about. didn't he build the autobahn too?

>>31700585
Man, I never believed in global-corruption from the start.

>>31700590
I actually would, but someone promised me the soul of Tupac in exchange for his, and for some reason they still haven't delivered their end of the bargain.

>>31700556
Jews don't do necromancy. It's against their religion. Golems, on the other hand....

>>31700698
Tupac is still alive nigga, you gotta go collect that shit the traditional way

>>31700633
I'm sick of half dragons who tragically never knew their father trying to usurp my reign; even if they are a steady source of powerful magical items

>>31700732
Just seduce them and add them to your harem like any real man.

>>31700752
This guy knows what's going on.

>>31700714
Well... hmm... that would explain why heaven and hell each thought the other had him.

...

Alright, after a bit of research, it seems he was last on the material plane during some sort of expensive Illusion magic concert. Thanks for the tip. I'll get Caeser out of his gimp suit as soon as I track this other guy down.

>>31700752
>>31700778
>having anything with scales cold blood or daddy issues in your harem

>>31698674
>420
>not 4d20
pssh

>>31700633
Bards use their magic to force other unwilling members of society to procreate with them.
They constantly cheat shopkeepers and tradesmen out of goods and services, if anything bard and illusion magic should be outlawed.

>>31700701
We were talking about golems you jackass

>>31700922
I agree.
Shit's way too easy to use, and even easier to abuse.

>>31700922
>Bards use their magic to force other unwilling members of society to procreate with them.
They do? I thought their sheer personal magnetism generally rendered that unnecessary, and they mostly used their mystical talents for magic shows or to cheat at cards and the like.

>>31700836
>not liking scales

You changed /tg/ what happened to you?

>>31700922
Only the weak of willed fall for simple illusions and bardic magic

>>31700993
scales and cold blood make a race way less huggable

>>31700973
-Lullaby roofies
-Mage hand thefts
-open/close for removing cloths of other villagers
-Animated rope to "persuade" their victims into non-consensual procreation
-charm person is disgusting
-disguise self to look like other for theft/procreation
-sleep roofies

etc.etc.
The list goes on and on, spells that remove the ability of the victim to act as they wish should be outlawed for use against commoners.

>>31700993
Who do you think makes up the majority of the population ?
Most people have so little will even bards in training can dominate/steal/rape the majority of the population.

>>31700993
>Only the weak of willed fall for simple illusions and bardic magic
and only the weak bodied get raped right? cause it's the fault of the person being raped for not being able to resist.

>>31701060
>>31700993
instead of teaching don't pick a way of life with poor will we should be teaching don't be a bard.

>>31701060
Oh god, we've got a social justice paladin here biys.

>>31701109
>>31701060
Bards play an important role in society, from boosting morale to getting thrown down the endless pit to find the bottom

>>31700993
>Only the weak of willed fall for simple illusions and bardic magic
Yes, like those pathetic bards who deal 40d6 damage per round in a 60 ft cone area from a single spell.
Disgustingly weak.

>>31701181
>implying that raw power has anything to do with willpower

>>31699277
Trick is golems don't count...at least if their not flesh in which case you have the taxidermy loophole.

>>31699667
Shit man thats a rip off if you want to get that upgraded fairly easy enter a union with a blood mage. Ever since the necro and blood alliance against the Primal Planar Great War they really help each other out.

>>31700025
And that kiddies is why you don't use souls as a power source.

>>31700336
You do know Lawyers are required to sell their souls to the devil right? Officially it doesn't happen...but yeah.


>>31701060
Clearly never met a strong bard. I was the only one who could shake the spells of at a massive concert or something(that dragged there). For my troubles I got to fucker...and that was how I got my first STD. People wonder why I prefer banging paladins...though I will admit it was pretty awkward explenation to my paladin fuck buddy over the whole affair. That was when I learned sometimes its better to pay a cleric instead of having a friend do it for 'free'.

>>31699277
>Making golems requires the ENSLAVEMENT

Don't be an idiot, golems are programmed to simulate intelligence. They can't think at all the only respond to to instructions and other input as predetermine by pass instructions.

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Sorry guys, just got back from the biovats, what did i miss?

>>31701451
Golems are animated by earth spirits. Unwilling earth spirits, specifically.

>>31701451
You ENSLAVE Elementals to power them. Only necromancy spells that use souls can compare you evil fucks.

>>31701469
We're talking about necromancy and souls right now, so nothing really to do with your craft

Don't worry, though, you ARE slated for next week.

>>31701476
>>31701522

No they are not, they are animated they the magic and part of the life essence of their creator. Only a few golems and magic items are power by elemental spirits some unwilling and others binded by a contract. Go back to magic academy you arcane illiterates.

>>31701542
I'd like to point out, too, that the same goes for necromancy.

>>31701524
Not necessarily, biomancers such as myself tend to leave behind a lot of... material that necromancers could use.... and I do believe i may have just thought of an ideal way to fund my work. I'll be right back, i have experiments to... cancel.

>>31701542
Life essence means blood magic unless your using psi or soul burn techniques. Most common way to power golems is by using chained elementals.

>>31701573
Necromancy is okay as long you don't try to use souls.

>>31701659
Your biomancer materials are fucking terrible for most necromancy. Wish it wasn't so as i would be saving an ass ton of money but alas I am still stuck with the blood mages.

Y'all know what? (And this is a Finnish shaman talking)

We don't have dumb paladins here, the schools are good, use of dark magic is low. Altough dark tomes ate being smuggled increasingly (But the pay's good) But necromancy is quite low. What really is worrying that statistically every third person you walk into has a enchanted firearm.
Which are illegal. (But bringing them in from Russia is easy, and the pay is good.)

Anyway. The dead really don't mind their bodies being borrowed. As long as I return them back to rest every now and then, and that's what I do. But the bodies have dark tomes and or enchanted firearms in them. But they don't mind.

Seriously you can stick so much stuff into a dead guy. Add a bit of make up and deoderant. And tadaa. Foolproof.

Anyway I chill with the dead. Ancestors and shit. And there's no dark energies releasing from it. As we been doing it fo centuries.

>>31702402
US Licensed Bardic Hero here, I know a lot of you other magical folk don't like us bards, hell I can see why. But from the sound of what y'all are complaining about, I can see why. Of course, most o' my spells are for charmin the varmints on the range, my real damage comes from my magic Iron. Oh yeah, did I mention I was an Arizona Ranger? Personally I only had to take out one Necromancer in my travels, ol' John Hickory what raised himself a posse of real sharpshooters. The real dangers are them Biomages what with all the poisonous creatures round these parts, and the Illusion Mages. Often as not them heat mirages you keep seein in th' desert are them gnome bastards tryna lead you to a trap and steal your valuables.

>>31702841
>Arizona Ranger
>Not even Texas Ranger

Nah, I'm just yankin' your chain. My folk and your folk put on real well, even if you are a bard. Me personally, I'm one of them Runesmiths. Mah godfather was a Dwarf and he taught me the ropes. Just made myself a runed shotgun, and damn the Biomancers we go after can't handle it. They send their controlled horny toads at us and I blast 'em into next week. Don't help them that I don't gotta reload it! And don't even get me started on the runed grenades...

>tl;dr Biomancers are more dangerous than Necromancers in my experience as a Texas Ranger.

>>31703335
We had a Texan or two in our Posse to take John Hickory, Big fella by th' name a Pucket Hormnal, and little short guy what rode a pony, named Jimbo "Barrel" Sheelanky. You know either of them fellas? Course, they might be retired now, I was just a youngin to th' craft when we rode that day, an' I'm gettin on in th' years myself. Might think about retirin, raisin a kid. Teach him th' ropes, know how I mean?

In 3.5 at least, according to Heroes of Horror, large numbers of undead create what's called a necromantic intelligence: an evil hive mind made of magical pollution that dulls sunlight and poisons the ground.
Still think using skeletons for farming is a good idea?

Fucking Recreational Magicians.
I'm fine with legalizing it, but only for Medical use.

>>31703695
Their own fault for not using holy water for irrigation. 6% solution is enough for most areas.

>>31703695
No, but that would be a hilarious thing to add to a setting in which a country is trying that.

>>31703695
>Mass raise Skeletons for cheap manual labour
>Skeletons begin to form a magical hive-mind
>Skeletons become intelligent
>Skeletons start demanding emancipation

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>>31698624
You damn youngsters and your "Necromancy". It's like you want the Japs to take over or something. Back in my day, all we had was Fire magic and we LOVED it. You damn youngsters only want to sit in your basement and conduct necromancy all day. Why not go outside and enjoy some damn Pyromancy?

>>31704010
I was thinking more of the more skelingtons, the less productive farming is, so the more skeletons they need.

>>31704032
Now, now, dad calm down.
I do understand your frustration with my son's necromancy humbug, but your Pyromancy is not the greatest thing there ever was.

>>31703864
>I'm fine with legalizing it, but only for Industrial use.
works too

>>31703695
No worse than using triffids.

Just make sure to prune your undead before they start manifesting eldritch abilities. Tools for easy zombie-repurposing are available in your local WalMart, so really it's your fault if your negligence results in unregulated necromantic intelligence. And you'll be liable to start paying them wages, too!

>>31704032
Yea and who glassed Wyoming?
Not the Japs or Necromancers.

This whole thread got my brain thinking of an alternate world setting for a game where you live in just regular earth, but there happens to be magic, probably low level, starting around the 1920's. We need a timeline though.

1924-Magic proven real, stage man bends shadows/casts minor illusions
1928- After extensive study magic determined to be able to be property of alien microorganism, deemed worthy of further study, Patient Zero and several scientists are isolated, along with many who exhibited slight shadow twinges after his show.
1937- Microorganism deemed harmless, but highly spreadable. Patients released. NOTICE: Some patients exhibited no "magic" after exposure, possible immune?

Hmmm... More?

>>31704658
How about this instead:
Magic is drugs.

>>31704692
But that would make it impossible to pass down the bloodline

>>31704799
You pass down the methlab instead.

>>31704692
Plasmids?
>>31704799
The Unborn: magical equivalent of babies with fetal alcohol syndrome. If they survive, they become absurdly powerful. Almost none have survived.

>>31704692
>>31704822
>>31704823
Hmm, so Hyper stimulants that allow you to alter the world around you, and that have very serious consequences, for you and your lineage, regardless of gender. I really do like the idea it originates with alien bacteria though, so how about the original bacteria has only mild illusion magic, where as the hyper stimulants create other effects based on injecting/combining the virus with sertain stimulants. Like say Pyromancy or Telekinesis came about via Nicotine or another mental stimulant?

>>31704032
>being this much of a privileged bigoted pyromancer

>>31705069
Pyromancing is how America became the half decent country that it is and it would be nice just to give it some respect. Necromancers are just afraid of getting their slave armies burned the fuck up.

>>31704889
Good, good.
How about this:
Magic is caused by combining effects on the mind with some sort of particle stuff, that can be easily extracted from anything. Magicians can only do magic when they're in an altered state, effectively forcing them to take drugs or not cast at all.
Different drugs allow the magicians to cast different spells.

>>31705093
>america
>half decent country
>still no universal divine magic

>>31700175

>Implying you won't lose your empathy for the short-living meatsacks.
>Implying proper Paladins don't get blessed by their Lords/Ladies with eternal life to continue the Grand Crusade, forever.

>>31705139
That's because people haven't taken Jesus into their hearts yet. Let the sinners suffer I say, that'll teach them!

>>31704049
Sounds like Commie speak to me. Pyromancy may not have been great, but it brought us together. What's billy doing? Sitting away, wasting away his life.

>>31705069
Privileged? Whacha? Hoocha? Wha-wa? Son, Let me tell you. I had to walk through the snow and go up hill both ways just to even conduct pyromancy with my friends. Your generation is the privileged generation with yer Hydromancy, geomancy, electromancy and the sorts. Now you want to lock yerself in a room and talk to a skellington all day?

>>31705627
>Now you want to lock yerself in a room and talk to a skellington all day?
What's the matter grandpa, 2spooky for you?

>>31705627
I really don't know what to do about little billy, but maybe necromancy isn't that bad after all.

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You guys are my hero

>>31705683
>implying the skeleton you're talking to isn't my old war buddy

>>31703647
When I was a young'n, I heard about the ol' Hickory takedown. Which of the guys are ya? And Pucket was my mentor, good guy. And I know how ya mean man. We're in the business of retir'n early. Just make sure that when ya get hitched, she ain't crazy, ya hear? Buddy o' mine had to lose his goddamned magic license just to get visitation of his kid, and that's messed up. I wanna raise a youngin' of my own one day tho', but I still have a good decade or two in me still before it's time.

>>31706002
But if he was? What would happen?

Man pyromance is A grafe shit. I rock pyro, necro, hydro and electromancy.
And read dark tomes and summon demons. Because demons resemble /tg/ the most. They get shit done.

>>31701522
>>31701476
>>31701542
Yeah sure, people can animate golems using elementals or life essence, if they don't want to take the time to do the holy rituals that they are supposed to use.

>>31708285
forgot to remove my name

>>31701060
If you failed your reflex save it's your fucking fault. Get a belt, get an amulet, get SOMETHING.