>>32395306
>[]Focus. You need to focus. Not getting wiped out of existence takes priority.
Good to see this back.

>>32395306
>[X]Focus. You need to focus. Not getting wiped out of existence takes priority.

>>32395306
>[X]Focus. You need to focus. Not getting wiped out of existence takes priority.
Welcome back. I was worried this had died.

>>32395306
((The first pastebin, unfortunately, is not porn. It's my second attempt at summarising "Okay, what does all this miracle stuff actually mean?". The first attempt ended up being about 20 pages of A4 and was just getting silly, so you get the ultra-cut-down version instead. http://pastebin.com/5biv58s7 ))
>>32395426
>>32395452
>>32395578
((3-0. Writing.))

>>32395647
Okay. Focus. Come on. Can't rule the world if you're dead. Re-dead. Wiped out of existence. Something like that.

You're already a fair way into the industrial district. Esther is walking beside you. She looks pretty confident - presumably there's a squad of her snake-soldiers following her in the shadows somewhere. That, or she really has that much faith in your ability to beat the Excrucians. Either way, you guess it's better than panic.

By the time the Man in White calls a halt, the air is cold enough that you can see your breath. You still don't see any sign of your enemies, but maybe that's a good thing. Isabella looks as imperious as ever. Maybe that's why she was picked over you. Or maybe you were just the more useful minion. She gestures towards the surrounding warehouses.

"Can you pick out which one of these they were hiding in when you found them? The whole area's suffused with power, it's making it hard to get a good mystical read."

"That one, I think. Uh, what's the plan? Are we just going to go charging straight in there and try to kick their heads in?"

She raises an eyebrow, studying you. "Why don't you show me whether you've managed to learn something lately? Suppose that by some miracle you were in charge. What would your plan be?"

>>32396105
>"Why don't you show me whether you've managed to learn something lately? Suppose that by some miracle you were in charge. What would your plan be?"
This a prompt?

Uh, something really obvious and not clever, since they've got whatshisface, shithead who fucks up clever ideas. Burn down the warehouse?

>>32396105
"Have as simple a plan as possible, and try to use their desire to monologue and hear their own voice against them. Something simple and cliche, like saying that what they're doing is wrong, and get them explain their reasons again. Then catch them when they're talking."

>>32396459
>>32396271
What about using the Power of Control to create a weakness or some specific set of conditions which we can fulfill to kill an Excrucian?
We can't just wish them out of existence.
Maybe force them to conform more closely to the present and known laws of physics to make them easier to kill?

>>32396271
>>32396459
>>32396564
((Okay, writing.))

>>32396615
"Uh... something obvious and as simple as possible. Burn down the warehouse? Get them monologuing again and catch them while they're talking? They've got, uh, that asshole that fucks up clever ideas, don't they?"

"What, Coriander? Yeah, he's a real pain in the neck. Listening to him is a bad idea. Always. And it fills you up with other bad ideas. It can't usually turn good ideas into bad ones, though - if we come up with a complicated plan out here, and stick to it, we'd probably be fine. Or we could just not listen to him in the first place. As for your actual ideas - burning down the warehouse, not bad. Probably wouldn't hurt them, but it might muck up whatever their plan is, if it needs that specific building. And it would piss them off. Pissing off Iolithae is always funny." She chuckles darkly, lost in memory for a moment.

"And the monologuing?"

"Right, right. It's not a sure-fire plan - it's pretty much exactly what they're expecting, I'd say - but the Deceivers are... well, they're vulnerable to the dramatically appropriate. Make it cool enough, make it narratively ironic enough for them to be harmed, and they will. They're not stupid, but they are in some fashion creatures of the narrative. Sucker-punching them in the middle of their monologue might just qualify. Let's give those two a shot."

She strides off towards the warehouse, beckoning for you to follow. With a quick gesture of her hand, there's a small, lit match between her fingers. Another gesture, and the fire suddenly blazes out of control, rushing down the wood, scorching her fingers. She flicks the match at the door of the warehouse, and it bursts into flames in an instant.

As the flames char the door and race outwards across the walls, they turn blue, and instead of ash and scorch marks, rime and frost coat the walls in the wake of the flames, thicker and deeper than before. Isabella frowns, idly patting out her smouldering arm.

What do you want to do now?

>>32397091
Alright, so setting the building on fire failed.
Esther's soldiers tended to have mundane modern weapons, besides swords, right? They got any C4 that we could use to blow open the door?

>>32397385
We could go with this, if possible.
I don't really have any idea of how to approach this.

>>32397385
>>32397462
((Okay, writing.))

>>32397590
"Well, that... was a thing that just happened. Esther, do your people have any C4 handy or anything like that? We still need to get that door down."

Esther examines the door for a moment, then nods. "The material has been weakened by the fire. Standard breaching charges should do it."

She snaps her fingers, and there's a blur of movement around the doorframe. The second snap is drowned out by the roar of explosives.

The two large doors topple from their frame, a series of large holes punched from their outside edges. Esther points to the hole left behind, and a small group of dark-scaled soldiers are suddenly surrounding it, their odd-looking Uzis levelled carefully.

There's a brief silence. The dust from the shattered portions of the doors begins to settle. You can see that the inside of the warehouse is dark and quiet. Nothing seems to stir inside.

Your ears are still ringing a little from the explosions when there is an even louder noise, a very distinctive crack-BOOM sound that makes you flinch. One of the soldiers is knocked down by the force of the shot, a large, burning hole in his stomach. The flames burn blue at the edges.

"'Ere now," calls a familiar voice, "ain't that a bit unsporting? Bringing all these fellas with their fancy guns."

You look around, trying to work out where the sound is coming from. There's another impossibly loud shot, and another soldier topples. The rest have formed a tight formation, watching every side.

"Maybe you shoulda brought a few hundred of them. Then it might be getting near fair." Coriander hops down from the roof, landing in a gentle crouch from what must be a fifty foot drop. His rifle is slung over one shoulder, the tip of the barrel gently glowing. He gestures in the direction of the two dead soldiers. "Up you get, you two. Come on, now. You ain't hardly dead."

The bodies slowly struggle to their feet, flames still dancing around the gaping wounds in their stomach and head. What do you want to do?

>>32398654
"Hardly sporting, you say, and yet in the next breath you say we should have brought a few hundred. Would you like to get your story straight, first?"

Maybe get him talking, hope he says something cliche like 'I am invincible' so we can have someone hit him with a rocket launcher or something.

Can we use a miracle to make Coriander obey the laws of physics as mortals? How big of a miracle would it be?

>>32397091
>"Right, right. It's not a sure-fire plan - it's pretty much exactly what they're expecting, I'd say - but the Deceivers are... well, they're vulnerable to the dramatically appropriate. Make it cool enough, make it narratively ironic enough for them to be harmed, and they will. They're not stupid, but they are in some fashion creatures of the narrative. Sucker-punching them in the middle of their monologue might just qualify. Let's give those two a shot."
Are those guys just knock-off Raksha?

>>32399308
>Can we use a miracle to make Coriander obey the laws of physics as mortals? How big of a miracle would it be?
((You can, and in fact this happens to be an excellent plan because the prosaic world itself quite likes it when things obey the laws of physics, which gives you a minor nudge in the right direction, the effects of which will go into the big complicated behind-the-scenes maths I have to do. As for how big a miracle it would be - probably pretty big, unfortunately, unless you want to make it the kind of very minor curse you can do for free, in which case the effect would be similarly minor. You'd either be enchanting the laws of physics with the property of being obeyed much more strongly than normal - strongly enough to overcome Coriander's weird outside-of-reality nature, hopefully - or you'd be creating a new bond of control between the laws of physics and him. Either of those will cost you a lot of power. But they'll have an equally powerful effect.))

>>32399353
((As in the Fair Folk from Exalted? I can kind of see the similarities. But I'm quoting from Nobilis: Antithesis there - that's canon on how Deceivers work. Go complain at Jenna Moran about it.))

>>32399566
>Go complain at Jenna Moran about it.
She was a writer for Exalted, apparently

>>32399566
((... quick update on that Fair Folk/Deceivers thing. Exalted: Fair Folk was written in part by Rebecca Sean Borgstrom. Which happens to be the previous pen name of Jenna Katerin Moran. So either she really likes the idea of story-bound creatures or she's ripping off her former self. Either way, not directly relevant to the quest.))
>>32399629
((See above.))

>>32399308
>Can we use a miracle to make Coriander obey the laws of physics as mortals?
that' followed by shooting him, seems like a good idea.
Part of the laws of physics is that mortals die when killed, right?

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>>32399708
>die when killed
that was supposed to say "die when they are shot"

>>32399764
((I'm reliably informed that that one makes a lot more sense in the original Japanese.
>>32399308
>>32399708
Anyway. We actually have two votes on something, so writing is commencing.))

>>32399566
>As for how big a miracle it would be - probably pretty big
So it's a 'big risk, big reward' thing, then?
And there's still Iolithae to worry about. We have no way of knowing if we'll have enough juice to take down both of them, but then again, that's why we've got Isabella here as a second battery for the Man to use, right?

If we were to someone get Coriander to utter something that is appropriately ironic before we shoot him, would that reduce the cost of the Miracle? Or would it only affect how badly Coriander gets hit?

The pastebin mentions that we can claim a person or object as mystically ours. What exactly are the benefits of this?

>>32399703
>she really likes the idea of story-bound creatures
Story-bound creatures from outside this reality that really want to unmake it

Hoozah, this is back! Just at a terrible time and still with the same few of us. ;_;

>>32399842
>So it's a 'big risk, big reward' thing, then?
((Absolutely. Which just makes it all the more fun.))
>If we were to someone get Coriander to utter something that is appropriately ironic before we shoot him, would that reduce the cost of the Miracle? Or would it only affect how badly Coriander gets hit?
((The latter, potentially. This isn't just a 'write snappy dialogue, get free hit' thing, though. It's not meant to be easy to trap a Deceiver in their own story. But the reward is commensurate to the difficulty.))
>>32399919
((The benefits are fairly varied, depending on what it is you're claiming. At the base level, it no longer requires anything in the way of conscious upkeep from you. A car doesn't require petrol, or oil changes, or new tires. A computer doesn't need electricity to work. A mundane object is slightly enhanced - it's not made magical, but it works as well as a top of the line mundane object of its kind. Same goes for mundane people - make your butler an Anchor and he turns out to be one of the best and most loyal butlers in the world. Also, as noted, there's a bunch of further miracles you can use to work through or with your claimed objects and people. In order to use one of those miracles, you need to have something to use them on.))

>>32400068
>CLAIM ALL THE THINGS

Uh I mean, sounds useful once we're not in danger of being unmade by monsters from outside reality

>>32400194
((Claiming things is very definitely *not free*. Normally it involves the rather complicated system of Bonds and Afflictions and stuff I don't really want to get into so I'll just summarise it as: only claim things you have a major emotional or personal attachment to, or you'll regret it.))

>>32400384
aww.
So how much stuff would be safe to claim?

so what happened after the Fae bitch back-stabbed us and no one to cared enough to do anything about it?

>>32400847
don't know exactly, I quit after that too.
I think we're about to fight the bad guys with some help from the lizard people

>>32400888
>>32400847
Why don't you get out and stay quit?

>>32400847
That reminds me, we gotta do something about that when we are done with these guys.

>>32400847
Allied with Esther, got back our soul bits from Avril, got Gloria and Ajani captured by Coriander and the Woman with Stars in Her Eyes whose name I can't remember.

>>32401012
>That reminds me, we gotta do something about that when we are done with these guys.
What do you want to do? You want to rape her again? We've been fucked on this point since thread six, we have zero high ground to stand on.

>>32401047
Do we need high ground to stand on?
we're not exactly claiming to be a saint

>>32401047
I don't know, something bad. Like, Enslave her and her people forever.

>>32401047
>What do you want to do?
evict her and the entire fae court from our city? Mystically claim her?

>>32401047
We could just kill em'.

>>32401067
>Do we need high ground to stand on?
Kind of hard to justify retaliation when it's easy to cast the original act as, itself, retaliation to injustice.

>>32401112
Do we have to justify shit?
We gave part of our soul away for her and she still stabbed us in the back. We can go there for revenge.

>>32401143
>Do we have to justify shit?
If we care about taking over the local political scene, yes.

>>32401166
Taking over the fae court isn't exactly public and no-one knows why she hates us, only that she used us to get into power.

>>32401166
She stabbed us in the back. We never forced her to stay with us and she always had the option to leave and never be heard of again but she didn't take it. She stuck with us and betrayed us.
From a political stand point, being able to go in and enslave all the fae gives us at least some credit. We aren't a hero but we get shit done.

>>32399827
"How can it be hardly sporting to bring them if we should have brought a few hundred? Sounds like you need to get your story straight, Coriander."

He chuckles again, swinging his rifle around until the stock rests against his shoulder, the barrel levelled in your direction. "Ain't hardly sporting for me to spend my time shooting them. Like shooting little fluffy bunnies in a barrel, it is." He glances over at the two soldiers who are now standing unsteadily, looking dazed and confused.

"Look at this fella here. How're you feelin'?"

The soldier gingerly touches his head, feeling the bullet hole in his forehead and the blue flames that now dance in his hair without consuming it. "I... was dead. Wasn't I? What happened?"

Coriander shrugs. "Ain't no such thing as death. See? Look at you now, walkin' and talkin' and such. This whole 'death' malarkey was just holdin' you back. See that fella over there?" He points to you with the hand that's not supporting his rifle. "Reckon you could just shoot him, easy as anything. Go on, give it a go, it'll be fun."

Shit. You roll to the side as a burst of bullets fills the space where you were standing. The noise seems to snap the other soldiers out of their horrified daze, and they return fire on their no-longer-fallen comrades. It doesn't seem to be having much effect, though. The dead soldier continues to occasionally unload blasts of gunfire in your direction as you dodge and weave, chuckling to himself. Eventually he stops to slowly reload, and you try to catch your breath.

"Hey, Coriander. How about it be your turn to get shot at?"

You focus your will, thinking back to your Physics lessons. Force equals mass times acceleration. Speed is distance over time. People who get shot with bullets fall over and die. Okay, that's not quite a law of physics, but it's got to be close enough, right? Coriander is standing on the ground. Gravity works on him. So all the other laws of physics should too.

((Cont.))

>>32401459
You fix the idea in your head, and force a burst of magic through it and out into the surrounding area. Coriander’s long rifle sags a little in his hand. His coat stops billowing in an invisible breeze. He blinks and stares at you.

“Here, what do you think you’re -“

“Fire at will!”

The barrage of gunfire knocks Coriander from his feet, a puff of snow and ice particles rising from the ground where his body hits. There’s a pause while Esther’s soldiers reload, and then they fire again, riddling the body with bullets as it lies on the ground.

You can feel something twist and change, some other power much like your own warping reality around it, and Coriander Hasp pulls himself to his feet, leaning on his rifle for support. His coat and shirt are filled with tiny holes, but the white shirt shows no signs of blood and you see no wounds. He dusts off his coat disdainfully and glares at you.

“Look what you did. This is proper silk, I’ll ‘ave you know. Got it from China and everything. Now look at it. Full of bloody bullet holes.”

“Oh, they’re not bloody yet, Coriander Hasp. But they will be. That, I promise you.”

You’d almost forgotten about Isabella, or the Woman in White, whoever she is. She disappeared at some point while you were facing off against the resurrected soldiers, and now she’s reappeared behind one of them, her hands on either side of his head. There’s a sharp snap as she twists his head to the side, and he crumples again. Before he hits the floor, Isabella has plucked his gun out of his hands.

“Oi, that was my -“

“That’ll be quite enough out of you, Hasp. I command you - *bleed*!”

((Cont.))

>>32401502
Coriander Hasp withers under yet another burst of gunfire, and this time he doesn’t seem to be getting back up. Isabella eventually wanders over and prods him with her toe.

“Hmmmph. Lazy bastard. He’ll get up again in a couple of hours. It’s pretty tricky to put an Excrucian down for any solid length of time. Nice trick with the bullets, though, took a good chunk of his energy to deal with it. Recovering that will take him out of the fight for longer than simply dealing with his wounds. Come on, let’s go deal with the other one.” She raises her arm to one side and puts a perfect burst between the eyes of the other undead soldier, apparently without even looking, then walks into the warehouse, beckoning over her shoulder with her free hand. “What are you waiting for?”

What do you want to do?

>>32401530
follow her, I guess
not much we can do

>>32401291
>she always had the option to leave and never be heard of again
Except that there was still the matter of leaving her human lover (who is also a powerful telekinetic and an incredibly useful bodyguard and asset) behind with us, who might have raped her just like we did Avril.
And what would have happened if she had taken Judith with her? As far as she knew, our Darkest Self would have tried to follow.

Finally, do you even have a plan for fighting against Fae in their own Court where they control the environment? Let's hear the plan, and have you step us through how it would work.

>>32401530
get the weapon of the other undead soldier if we don't have one already, then follow

>>32401574
but that could still happen. Pissing us of doesn't really help with that

>>32401231
>>32401291
I just really have difficulty imagining that any half-decent kid in Chris's situation could hold a grudge against Avril.

Like, yeah, she betrayed him, but on the other hand, he raped her. If it were me, I'd just hope that was enough and call it even.

>>32401574
Jill. Not Judith.

>>32401530
Follow her. Does his stupid "no cleverness" effect apply now or what?

>>32401574
We raped her long before Judith was a thing. She could have left then and there. Instead, she decided to stick around. We don't even have to explain the full circuimstances to anyone so that doesn't really matter.
Also, we are in a completely different league from the fae. We can just take their court from them or make them lose the court.

>>32401701
>Does his stupid "no cleverness" effect apply now or what?
I mean this as in ask the Man in White that.

>>32401701
((As mentioned by Isabella two updates ago, the rule is not and was never 'no cleverness in his vicinity', it's 'when you listen to Coriander Hasp you get bad ideas'. These bad ideas frequently *seem* like clever plans that will totally end well, but that doesn't mean that every clever idea you have must automatically end badly, especially if you're not listening to Coriander Hasp.))

>>32401560
>>32401584
>>32401701
((Writing.))

>>32401530
Follow the Boss. If what he said is right, trying to kill him will also only delay the inevitable backhand.

>>32401621
Could what still happen? Us coming after her?
Wasn't Avril's original plan similar to her Father's?
Cut the connection to the Court from Earth, and when the Excrucians and whatever forces opposing them killed each other, re-open the connection.
We appealed to her and she gave us back the fragment of our soul, and this was after she had already made it so we wouldn't be coming back(she apparently underestimated our soul's connection to its fragment).

>>32401733
>We can just take their court from them or make them lose the court.
That's the Man, though, not us. And right now, he seems to prefer Isabella as a minion.
How do you propose to convince him to let us take over the Fae Court, instead of Isabella?

>>32402013
I don't think he's planning to possess her permanently. He's just doing that to deal with the Excrucians. Isabella is still our minion

I feel like we should do something to the fae, they did stab us in the back and abandon us when we needed help the most...
Maybe we could we somehow lock the fae on earth so they can't leave, then sever whatever connection they have to the forest? Leave them stranded, homeless and on our mercy.

>>32402013
He is the personification of control. He wants us to take over EVERYTHING.

Speaking of Isabella, are we ever going to fuck her?

>>32402121
No.

>>32402145
why?

>>32402121
>literally at our complete mercy
>can be killed whenever we like
>how about we fuck her?
Let's show that Chris really regrets that whole "rape" thing.

>>32402079
He's also said he's not too impressed with us, and that all of his former minions (of which we are one) always ended up dead after getting stupid with their power and control.
So what's your plan?

>>32402158
but I like her as a character and want her to become our waifu

>>32402203
>but I like her as a character and want her to become our waifu
I also like her as a character but feel deeply uncomfortable initiating a relationship with someone we can kill with a thought. Especially given the whole hunger deal.

>>32402169
don't get stupid and don't die
That should impress him

>>32402169
It's been a while since this has run so i don't remember exactly the circuimstances but i think it was because of our lack of ambition. For a dude with power and control we are pretty passive.

>>32402227
We're working for a guy representing control, we'll inevitably end up with control over people.
We should get used to it.
And we both know we'll never use the 'kill her with a thought' thing.

>>32402169
do a good job while dealing with the Excrucians. they're a threat even to the Man and he was impressed with how we dealt with that one guy

>>32402203
>>32402227
So you like the character of the chick who literally makes people her slaves and, if i remeber correctly, takes away their free will? At least we offer them the choice of walking away most of the time and our people can keep their free will.

>>32402227
While I agree with you, we will need to find someone else to fuck or find a way to exercise more domination and control.
We have to feed our Darkest Self now, and with our soul complete again, I suspect its hunger will be even more overwhelming.

>>32402365
we have so much in common, how romantic

>>32401012
after we're finished surviving these guys and are not unmade from reality we can claim her

>>32402293
>We're working for a guy representing control, we'll inevitably end up with control over people.
There's degrees of power.

>And we both know we'll never use the 'kill her with a thought' thing.
It's not a matter of whether or not we'll do that, it's a matter of saying "hey, baby, wanna ride on my magic dick?" when there's the "you are literally bound to me for the rest of your life and displeasing me may sharply shorten that" thing hanging in the background.

>>32402365
>So you like the character of the chick who literally makes people her slaves and, if i remeber correctly, takes away their free will? At least we offer them the choice of walking away most of the time and our people can keep their free will.
She made a bad deal with the Corrupter, I don't remember if she ever really worked more deals for him. The drug dealer guy is the one who was really tight with the Corrupter, IIRC.

Can we use our 'control' powers to get control over our darkest self?

>>32402415
Controlling control? Controlception.

>>32402415
>Can we use our 'control' powers to get control over our darkest self?
IIRC Darkest Self is only necessary if we get completely physically fucked up and it's that or die (it regens all health, IIRC). Retards in thread 6 just made some really bad decisions regarding it.

>>32402415
that would be neat, though I imagine it would need a LOT of power

control over higher concepts of a supernatural nature like that should wait for after we've got control of Avril and the fae court

>QM wants to show people that actions have consequences and raping someone makes them an asshole
>just causes people to embrace the assholish behavior and give up on being the good guy

>>32402599
>just causes people to embrace the assholish behavior and give up on being the good guy
A lot of smut quest players are basically sociopaths, in my experience.

>>32402599
>>QM wants to show people that actions have consequences and raping someone makes them an asshole
oh please, that was utter bullshit after 50 threads to pull that tweeest and killed pretty much all investment in that character like nothing else could

was totally fucking stupid and was severely detrimental to the quest, a massive fuckup on OPs part

>>32402621
you don't need to be a sociopath to play an egoist

>>32402644
I think he just wanted to move it away from teen drama to fight the end of the world, so that served to darken the tone of the quest

>>32402644
>waah I don't like it when there are setbacks
>waah I don't like it when I'm surprised

>>32402599
Dude, were you actually there? We went far to make amends and ensure it wouldn't happen again.
I can see why people are pissed,she betrayed us after spending 40 or so threads trying to fix things and putting up with a lot of shit.

>>32402716
I meant the betrayal.
That's when we started turning evil, or at least planning to enslave her

>>32402716
>I can see why people are pissed,she betrayed us after spending 40 or so threads trying to fix things and putting up with a lot of shit.
I'm pissed because you faggots raped her (I wasn't in the quest at that point). I ain't even angry about the betrayal.

>>32402644
I liked it. Showed that we weren't the only one with plans and shit. Makes us think more about our actions and the actions and motives of others. Plus it's Monsterhearts it fits in. Drama and such.

>>32402766
Fair point, I was kinda peeved at that too, but ehh. I am Rolling with it, adds drama and shit.

>>32402766
to be fair, she planned to use us to become Queen long before that

>>32402816
There were only, like, five threads before that. Can't have been that long.

>>32402766
yeah, that was just horrible.

>>32402695
it also served to completely render everything we did in the entire previous 52 threads useless and meaningless

>>32402790
>Plus it's Monsterhearts it fits in. Drama and such.
no, it does not fit, drama for the sake of drama is fucking retarded and OP should be ashamed for pulling such a fucking stoopid twist just for drama, because quess what? it killed all drama, it killed all the investment we had in that character, everything we did like >>32402716 said, 40+ fucking threads fixing it and then that one tweest throws the entire quest down the drain

>>32402878
See >>32402707

>>32402766
I think it had something to do with going berserk and out of the given options, fucking her didn't seem like that bad of an idea because people didn't assume she'd care because fae.

>>32402878
Oh, stop going 'tweest', would you kindly? It just makes you sound like a whiny twelve year old.

>>32402945
I know what thought processes went into the decision (not much).

I'm still mad about it, though.

>>32402945
I was there when it happened and the vote that was selected did not elude to raping her, and it was worded to be the best, least impactful least damaging option

and for something like that to fuck everything up 50 threads later is fucking pathetic

Do we REALLY need to have the exact same discussion every time? It was a fuck-up, it happened, get over it.

>>32403021
>oh no I might lose 1 point of HP
>better go into berzerk mode
>oh no i might bind some asshole cronies who were fuckin' with my girl
>better fuck her while I'm out of my gourd instead

and this is why we can stop having shitty ego circlejerk quest threads now. :)

>>32403053
it was not presented like that at all, half the options didn't even mean anything to us and were only explained so we actually understood them after it happened

>>32403044
> It was a fuck-up, it happened, get over it.
indeed it was, and we had gotten over it, and then OP fucked everything up with the betrayal

honestly this argument is getting stupid so lets just go back to waiting for OP to update so we can see how they salvage the mess that was thread #53/54

>>32402378
Right? Isabella is the perfect queen for our kingdom.

>>32402989
Being mad about it achieves nothing. It happened, we tried to fix things, it didn't work out.
Honestly, i can see why people are willing to drop the whole good guy thing because it didn't work out.

>>32403140
It doesn't matter, because we'll slip right back onto the tracks anway.

>>32403140
>It happened, we tried to fix things, it didn't work out.
we did fix things, only for OP to railroad everything away 50 threads later

>>32401817
You grab the gun from the other fallen soldier and head into the building. It's an unfamiliar weapon, kind of like a gray and green Uzi with a long, shrouded barrel and a folding stock. The word 'Cobra' is stamped into the hand-grip. It's not too heavy, and it fits easily into your hands, but you hope you don't have to fire it.

Isabella has nearly disappeared into the darkened corridors, and you have to hurry to catch up. She's holding her own gun lightly in one hand, looking around carefully for signs of trouble.

"So, Coriander's down, does that -"

She shushs you abruptly, and you continue in a much quieter voice.

"Sorry. Does that mean his powers won't work any more?"

"Well, anything he'd already set in motion will probably keep going. You saw how that zombie didn't automatically collapse when he did. But he's fairly unlikely to do much more than go 'Ow ow ow' for the next few hours. That and complaining about his outfit, even though he could just fix it with a thought." She sighs. "Deceivers. So bloody over-dramatic. If - hush! I think I heard something."

You can't hear anything yourself, but you quietly follow Isabella as she walks to the end of the corridor and pokes the door at the far end with the barrel of her gun. It swings open with a creaking sound that seems to echo throughout the building, revealing a larger room beyond that you recognise as the same one from Saturday evening. It's empty of crates now, and the floor is covered in ice, built up in strange intricate shapes. Looking closer, you see that it looks very much like a map of the town.

A woman's voice rings out across the room, pure and clear, with no visible source to it.
"Come in, come in. Sit down. Let's have a chat, shall we not?"

Two chairs of ice suddenly spring fully formed from the floor in front of the door, facing so that they'll overlook the map of the town. You still can't see the speaker, but you know the voice. It's Iolithae.

What do you want to do or say?

So when the fuck is Jill going to come back and make an appearence on screen and help us out?

>>32403201
"Can't we speak face to face?"

>>32403210
>So when the fuck is Jill going to come back and make an appearence on screen and help us out?
Never. We told her we raped Avril and she fucked off.

>>32403201
whip out the dick

>>32403248
>and she fucked off.
another brilliant move by OP, what purpose does that serve the story?

>>32403201
shoot in the air and scream 'aaaaaaaahhhhh'

>>32403276
>tell girl we raped her gf
>she leaves
>OMG OP IS RAILROADING AND A FAGGOT
pls go and stay go

>>32403201
seconding >>32403248
>"Can't we speak face to face?"

also why does everything always have to be made of ice? why can't they enjoin the nice things in life and make them leather recliners and wingbacks?

>>32403201
Leave.

>>32403201
"I prefer to stand, but sure... Lets "chat". What have you done with my friends? How would you like to die?"

>>32403201
piss on the rug

>>32403276
>waaah my actions don't have consequences this sucks
> waaah my actions had consequences this sucks

>>32403313
bitch please it didn't go down like that at all

and if she is gone, then that is the 2 single characters we spent 50 fucking threads in, developing and getting invested in, what would be the fucking point? just like the betrayal, all that did was shit things up, didn't improve the story, didn't add to anything, just shat all over the quest

>>32403201
Piss on the rug, then piss on her.

>>32402878
Really, now. Mosterhearts is played like a TV Teenage Drama show and "messy lives of teenage monsters." In fact the game book/pdf even states sessions/arc are like television seasons and author/creator drew inspiration from those kinda melodrama shows and movies.

I see Monsterhearts constantly full of drama for the sake of drama.

>>32403044
Agreed, just move on already guys.

>>32403113
>OP fucked everything up with the betrayal
Nope, not really. But yeah, let's move on.

>>32403163
>>32403169
Not really railroading. More like OP actually having characters who have their own motives and behind the scenes shit, that will lie to your face and say that things are alright when in actuality they have been planning to betray you when the perfect moment arises.

>>32403201
>>32403248
Seconding face to face talk.

Also OP, I like your quest and wish you ran more often.

>>32403201
>What do you want to do or say?
I got no ideas, OP with the trolls out you're better off offering prompts and option choices rather than 'Wat Do's

>>32403358
>>32403313
hi op, fuck off pls

>>32403405
Yes, everyone who dislikes your brand of whiny faggotry is the OP.

>>32403201
"I'd like to see who it is I'm talking with, first."

>>32403393
>move on come on move on
>no accountability

k

op's said nothing, no open apology. no respect begets no respect.

>>32403450
>op's said nothing, no open apology. no respect begets no respect.
Why would he apologize? He's done nothing wrong.

>>32403471
>pissing off your audience
>not doing anything wrong

Also

>people clearly displeased
>just ignore it :)

>>32403201
>>32403248
I'l second this.
You should probably cut soon and let people cool off. It's getting late and people are getting pissy.

>>32403508
>run away so people forget

XD

>>32403471
Except fuck the quest up entirely, he killed all investment, all motivation and all interaction we had with the 2 defining characters we spent 80% of out time with, just pissed away in an instant, and for what?

Only reason I'm sticking around and trying to actually be constructive and not troll is to see how OP salvages the mess they made and fix things so this quest is once again enjoyable, because, after the betrayal, guess what, it ain't fun.

>>32403508
>It's getting late and people are getting pissy.
People are gonna be pissy forever. Avril's betrayal was months ago IRL.

>>32403201
What >>32403401 said.

The trolls are waking up/getting home from work/school, now ain't the time for vague half plans and random wat dos

>>32403523
OP worked really fucking hard, asshole. Respect the work he did or fuck off, because you're not doing anything by sitting here and whining. His quest, his rules.

>>32403523
Then get the fuck out because you're doing nothing but contributing to this not being fun. Why not just catch it in the archives if you're curious, but honestly, just get out.

Everyone

Lets not dwell on the past.

We are an undead Ghoul, alive for eternity.

Destined for greatness. Rule is our right.

Time to look to the future.
Isabella, Esther, and the hunters are our cards.

>>32403552
>OP worked really fucking hard
yeah he did, and he ruined all his hard work in an instant with that shitty twist, and I'm sticking with it because I found it fun before that and want to see it returned to being fun, like it was before that

>>32403572
Fuck off. People can be upset if they feel like it, autist.

>>32403248
>>32403322
>>32403393
>>32403447
>>32403508
((Writing. It's getting pretty late for me too, I just wanted to see if I could manage to wrap up the Excrucian plot entirely this thread. Not sure I'm quite going to pull that off.))

>>32403570
>Then get the fuck out because you're doing nothing but contributing to this not being fun.
what part did you miss about me sticking around and being constructive, I'm actually voting and playing seriously trying to get us through this situation, beat the deceivers and not end up unmade, I'm not trolling or arguing for no reason anon, I want this to be fun and enjoyable and while it hasn't been since that thread, I'm sticking with it in the hopes it will be once again

>>32403615
Don't even fucking bother. Just end it here, your shitheaded antics aren't appreciated atymore.

>>32403615
please don't.

>>32403615
Just let it be. Take a vacation for a few months, it'll be much appreciated and you can think of how to continue things during then. :)

>>32403615
Just like to say ive been here since thread 2 and I love this quest.

Chris is great fun.

>>32403615
>I just wanted to see if I could manage to wrap up the Excrucian plot entirely this thread.
I'm not entirely sure how you think that was possible, you've built them up to be this massive thing, and we've had all of 2 threads to start gathering allies and work against them, we still don't even have a complete plan and ideas on how to end them as a problem.

I think its going to take at least another thread or two to reach the climax of the Excrucians and get back to fixing the mess from before they reared their ugly heads.

Also, some prompts and A), B), C), Other) choices to vote on would help things out right now

>>32403681
He's looking to abort it because he's tired of it. Fuck people who got involved. :)

>>32403676
>>32403630

oh fuck off anons, go away with your shitposting and let the thread be, there are people trying to enjoy it without you shitting things up

>>32403676
>Take a vacation for a few months
OP did, and I'm glad to see them returned and writing

>>32403719
Looks like it's called for again. :)

Holy hell summer is here.

Shitposters please leave.
People trying to quest here.

>>32403736
Looks like you're a faggot troll. :)

>>32403708
>>32403676
now you're just baiting and being a terrible troll

go away

>>32403615
you've been running for a little over 7 hours OP, though I'm not seeing the Excrucians being resolved in a single thread with how you built them up, but I'm glad to see you returned to writing this.

any ideas when the next thread will be? I'd hate to see you disappear for another month before the next thread

>>32403719
no.

because we still haven't gotten an apology.

once op takes thirty fucking seconds and says 'hey, i fucked up, i'm sorry', it will end.

until then, his ego is why this is happening.

>>32403529
Oh i know, i am one of the anons that kept saying we should go enslave her and make her suffer.
My point is, people get irrational when they are tired and the discusion has been going is circles for quite some time now. There is nothing really to be achieved at this point and anything even remotely resembling rational though has left the thread.
Also, Shitposters came.

>>32403767
>people who disagree with me are shitposters

>>32403761
>once op takes thirty fucking seconds and says 'hey, i fucked up, i'm sorry', it will end.
that would vastly help matters but at this stage I doubt it would be sincere and meaningful

OP just needs to keep on running, ignore the trolls and slowly fix things, I trust them in doing that

>>32403615
With as big of a threat that you made the Excrucians out to be, I would have been surprised if we had beat them both in a single thread.
That we took Coriander out of the fight in one thread feels about right, though.

>>32403761
OP is running a fucking quest for your sad ass face.

Show some goddamn respect or run your own damn quest.

>>32403778
No, people like >>32403746 are.

>>32403792
Respect is not defined as 'swallowing whatever shit is forced down your throat'. Looks like you have some definitions to learn.

>>32403761
>once op takes thirty fucking seconds and says 'hey, i fucked up, i'm sorry', it will end.
OP's not gonna say that because OP doesn't think that.

A character in a quest had thoughts and plans that they didn't verbalize. There were hints there for readers to notice, and they didn't, so we got fucked. Personally, I prefer that in my quests, rather than QM-ensured success forever and all characters being transparent archetypes.

>>32403824
>OP's not gonna say that because OP doesn't think that.
Wow, I didn't know you were psychic!

>>32403767
>Oh i know, i am one of the anons that kept saying we should go enslave her and make her suffer.
hi fellow enslaveanon, i reckon after we deal with the Excrucians and survive this we go and Claim her using our power, that would be a big step to resolving things between us and Avril, she can stay as queen of that fae court, hell I would have gladly given it to her, even if we let her be and do her own thing, I'm fine with that, but we gotta Claim her and start fixing things between us, we've got all of eternity to spend dealing with her and others, best repair those bridges now

>>32403615
Damn, I actually impressed with what you done here, you pissed a shit ton of people off here because they actually care, like and invested into a character you created which you made betray us, and we are really just taking it out on you and blaming you when it really is not your fault. People just mad, close female betray really gets everyone angry and pissed.

Also
>>32403681
Yeah, you did kinda built it up to be a climax.

>>32403761
Don't you dare fucking apologize OP. Just cause a very verbal group of your audience dislikes shit, there is a also those who don't care either way or side/like what the OP has done and I am one of those people.

>>32403824
This so much.

>>32403863
>best repair those bridges
>by enslaving her
This some new definition of the word "repair" that I've been hitherto unaware of?

>>32403876
>speaking for someone you don't even know

>>32403824
>There were hints there for readers to notice, and they didn't, so we got fucked
there were hints that she had bigger ambitions and plans but nothing anywhere near close to the betrayal, the only thing that was a 'hint' towards that was in the update before that clusterfuck was we felt things were weird, but OP presented and conveyed that to us as the aftermath of the fight against her dad

that entire thread was piss poorly handled and was the worst in this quests history, fuck we're still suffering because of OPs mistakes in it

>>32403901
I'm not saying we have to treat her like a slave and squash her into the dirt, but Claiming her is going to be the first step towards getting on an even playing field, we could Claim her and never make her do something she does not want to for the rest of eternity if we wanted to

>>32403921
If you don't like it, there's a big red button in the upper right corner of your browser that'll make it all go away.

>>32403921
If we'd actually done anything about her inconsistent and worrisome behavior, I might be inclined to agree with you, but we ignored her "please fight my dad so you can reclaim that thing that he took for the sole purpose of preventing you from raping me again" thing completely.

>>32403681
((This is a fair enough point.
>>32403824
As is this.))
>>32403751
((Next thread... I want to say Thursday, but that schedule was an absolute pain in the neck for me. Next Tuesday, I guess.))

>>32403876
>it really is not your fault
it really is and OP's dodging of the issue is just making the issue fester and giving the trolls ammunition

>>32403996
XDXDXD

>>32403996
>((Next thread... I want to say Thursday, but that schedule was an absolute pain in the neck for me. Next Tuesday, I guess.))
cool, keep us updated on twitter

is there still one more update to this threaad or is this the end?

>>32403996
And it's now clear that OP gives zero shits. Time to bail.

It was nice until you murdered it.

I think we should ignore Avril and let her kingdom stagnate like it always has.

We can always try and patch things up a thousand years down the road. For now we can focus on building our own empire. Isabella is our finesse, and Esther is our muscle.

Also maybe harem end, but now I'm projecting.

>>32403983
anon, I didn't like one event (well two, the rape thing was fucking retarded and should have been retconned from existence, and the quest would be better as a result) and didn't like one thread, I liked the rest of the quest and genuinely want to see if to a satisfying conclusion so I'm sticking with it and not trolling the shit out of it, unlike some

>>32404036
((Still another update to come, just that someone asked.))

>>32403973
Sounds romantic.

>>32403996
Nice to know.

>>32404049
OK bye.

>>32404072
I agree completely, but I want to Claim Avril before we let her run her little kingdom, just to prevent any issues from biting us in the arse, because OP's made it abundantly clear, if we don't use our control power to get a hand on unstable things, they will fuck us over forcefully

also we need to find Jill and see what the fuck is up with her, we could really use her help in averting the end of existence, you would think thats something she would be working alongside us with, and not let some teen drama get between her and the universe ceasing to exist

also also, harem end totally

>>32404049
Good riddance

who are we kidding? Roaches never leave for good

>>32404134
Oh god, i just realized, Jill is being Shinji.

>>32404072
>Also maybe harem end, but now I'm projecting.
Isabella, Esther, Masami, Louie.

Really unsure about Jill and Avril happening again.

>>32404255
Jill we need to work on, she's our childhood friend and we've been through the shit with her and helped her out with her problems, we can fix things with her when she stops be- >>32404235 pft- when she stops being Shinji

Avril is going to take Claiming her and some time to resolve the issues between us

>>32404255
Unfortunately we've neglected Masami too long and I think she is about to get a little nuts.

>>32404255
>Masami
I like her and all, but the whole being a 'gestation pod for a Deep One which will subsume and completely annihilate her Human psyche as soon as it reaches maturation' is kind of a sticking point.
That, and the fact that the Cthulhu Mythos is fucking real, with an Esoteric Order of Dagon around.

>>32404318
>Avril is going to take Claiming her
I don't think that will help our case in mending bridges.
How will Claiming her and making it abundantly clear to her that we have control of her soul, even if we let her make her own decisions, going to help reconcile us?

>>32404411
Avril is a delicate situation.

Id love to be able to just ignore her.

>>32404332
probably, though I'm thinking if we get Louie and Masami together we can hopefully stop them from going off the deep end

>>32404504
Ha. Deep end.

Like pools? Swimming? And they're both water based life forms.

I understood that reference.

>>32404504
>if we get Louie and Masami together
On the one hand, having a relationship together might help Masami resist the call of Father Dagon.

On the other hand, remember how Masami got when talking about how Louie reminded her of the sea? I wonder if that could be a problem and a sign of the call getting stronger with a reminder of the sea so near her.

>>32404411
She'll have to get over it, it's not like she has a choice in the matter.
Also, she fucked us over and while i'm not that anon, i don't like leaving someone alone after that, especially her considering how she can be. Just ignoring her is way too likely to come bite us in the ass.

>>32404411
because otherwise she's just a loose canon, and you saw what happened when we didn't get a handle on her before, it led to this mess

hell, we could Claim her and then make it clear to her that her soul is still her own, she gave us the shard of ours back, she can keep hers, but we need the control over her and her on our side, even if it takes millenia of careful discussions, to work with her

she is fae, which means infinitely tricky and she holds that over us, us Claiming her would even things out

>>32404504
That or they go off the deep end together, which is not really unlikely.

>>32404571
>Just ignoring her is way too likely to come bite us in the ass.
Fucking this.

We ignored her ambitions and plans once before and trusted her.

Look where it got us.

I'll trust her to be left to her own devices after we Claim her.

>>32404504
>if we get Louie and Masami together
Pretty sure they're already together. They were at the dance together, remember?

Or....

We challenge Avril, and take the throne again.

>>32404590
If we go back for her, we'l have to put her on a shorter leash. Establish a very clear dominance over her and then maybe, very slowly, we can give her more freedoms.

>>32404640
she can keep the throne, if I knew that we were going to get it after defeating her father, I would have gladly given it to her

but we all know how well that clusterfuck went and we got utterly reamed by OP when we were perfectly happy with Avril being Queen of that court until that stupid event.

fuck I wish it wasn't so poorly handled so we actually knew what was happening so we could have freely given the throne to her

we don't want the throne, we Claim her, we get control over the fae, she can run them, we run her

>>32404685
Oh I agree, its not going to be a quick fix but its the path towards resolving things.

>>32404349
>not wanting to stick your dick in a Deep One
>not wanting that wet, squamous pussy
Full pleb.

>>32404349
We just need to make an old one our bitch. There's no way around it.

>>32404571
>>32404590
>>32404619
>>32404685
>>32404703
>>32404730
I'm not following the logic here.
We Claim Avril, and get control over her. We keep her on a shorter leash, which means watching over her shoulder more, and having her tell us everything she's going to do.
How is keeping control over her, having her spiritually bound to us, not the equivalent of the soul binding that Avril's father did to us? In such a case, what difference does it make that Avril's soul is in one piece or not, since we still have control over it?

Finally, how is this form of domination supposed to lead to reconciliation?

>>32404877
we can eventually work together and trust her instead of always looking over our back at the unstable fae ready to stab us from the shadows

this is Monsterhearts, things don't exactly make sense yet work

>>32403615
"I don't think so, Iolithae. How about we talk face to face? I like to see who I'm talking to."

Isabella's hands are clutching her gun much more tightly now, and she keeps it carefully trained on the room beyond as you hear the slow tap, tap, tap of high heels on a flat surface. A woman strolls into view, walking without any apparent difficulty on the sheer ice despite her substantial heels. She doesn't look anything like the white-haired woman you vaguely remember seeing before - her hair is shorter and tinged with blue, her features are sharper, and even in high heels she's a bit shorter - but the stars are falling in her eyes.

Isabella's gun is shaking now, and when she speaks her voice is deep and angry. She takes a careful step forward, holding the gun out in front of her like a talisman.

"How dare you, Iolithae? How fucking dare you? Stealing her powers is bad enough, but stealing her face? What, did you dig up her body and skin it? You're going to pay for this. You're going to pay dearly."

"Promises, promises, my friend. Don't make ones you can't keep," she replies, a wicked smile dancing across her face. There’s a flickering around her hand, and a long, thin dagger with two curving prongs flanking the main blade appears in her hand. You recognise it vaguely as a martial arts weapon of some sort, though you can’t name it. She tosses it at the Woman in White, and there’s an answering blur as her gun moves to block the thrown weapon, which bounces off and somehow ends up back in Iolithae’s hand before you can fully process what just happened. The two begin to square off, seemingly ignoring you. Each tiny shift of a foot or movement of a hand provokes an answering movement, and you get the feeling that they know each other’s fighting style very, very well.

((Cont.))

>>32404986
With a crack that splits the silence, a single bullet springs from Isabella’s gun, bounces off one of the ice sculptures, ricochets towards Iolithae’s head with perfect control and then simply flattens itself against her face as if her skin were made of the toughest Kevlar. Then they’re both in motion, dancing around each other, testing for an opening with hand and foot and steel. From the easy, almost intuitive way they move, this must be a fight they’ve fought a thousand times.

But this time there’s a new factor. This time, there’s you.

>>32404951
>we can eventually work together and trust her
So we can work together and trust her, like we do with Isabella, because we have a spiritual kill-switch and can assume direct control when we want.
Perhaps I'm going about this wrong. Am I mistaken in believing that your end goal is emotional reconciliation with Avril?
What is your end goal? What is Avril supposed to be in relation to us?

>>32404877
Most of those are different anons.
From what i can gather, there are two schools of though:
1) Claim her to get closer and try to work our way from there. This latest mess is her fault and we need to work together to get through it, whether she likes it or not.
2) Claim her and make her our slave. She betrayed us and needs to be kept under control. We should take away a lot of her freedom and maybe, over time, let stockholm syndrome do its thing.

>>32405010
((Right. It is 3 in the morning and it is almost certainly a terrible idea for me to keep running, no matter how much I want to. Questions and comments below. Next thread TUESDAY THE 3RD OF JUNE, slightly later, probably around 8pm British time.))

>>32405061
Do we still have enough juice left to, say, make Iolithae beholden to the laws of physics? Such as the coefficient of friction and how she should be slipping on the ice when she's wearing heels and moving that fast?

Also, what exactly does Claiming a person or supernatural entity do to them? We know the benefits: enhanced attributes and things about them. What are the cons? What happens to them? Do they actually get kill-switches like Isabella? Can we fully control them like a puppet if we wanted? Do they have to obey any order we give them? Is their obedience mystically enforced at both the conscious and unconscious levels?

>>32405012
>Am I mistaken in believing that your end goal is emotional reconciliation with Avril?
You're not, I'm hoping we can eventually have that, though I recognize its going to take a lot of work between us to get there.

So yes, kind of like the situation with Isabella, yet a lot more delicate and involving.

Also, whats up with Isabella now the woman in white is puppeting her, did we just lose her, is she gone or what?

>>32405050
I'm in favor of going with 1) and having 2) as our backup plan.

>>32405061
Good night OP, I'll be without internet next week so I'll have to miss the next thread unfortunately.

>>32405206
>I'm hoping we can eventually have that
I would like to see a plan on how to accomplish that by Claiming Avril.
I'm still trying to see the logical leap from dominating her so she must obey us, and her feeling anything but resentment at it.

>>32405374
>I'm still trying to see the logical leap
there isn't any

at no point in time in this quest has anything ever been logical, especially so when dealing with Chris and Avril's relationship

>>32405206
>Also, whats up with Isabella now the woman in white is puppeting her, did we just lose her, is she gone or what?
Pretty sure the Man in the White Suit has explicitly said she's fine, just incommunicado for the moment.

>>32405374
>dominating her so she must obey us
When we first met her, thats what she got off on, us controlling her...

>>32405535
>When we first met her, thats what she got off on, us controlling her...
There's a difference between sexy domination and asshole domination.

No smut quest players ever seem to understand it, though.

>>32405559
true theres a difference, and unfortunately the latter will open up eventually the former

we have to get control of the situation first

>>32405374
Stockholm syndrome?
We've had this weird relationship to begin with where she's ours but not really. Arvil is a fae and their way of thinking is a bit alien to begin with while Chris is a teenager with power of control. There never was any logic in place to begin with.
Honestly, Claiming her is little more tham a way to neutralize her as a threat, which she is. What it would achieve is getting something solid to base off the relationship, even if that something is our absolute control over her.

>>32405625
>There never was any logic in place to begin with.
There was a perfectly coherent and natural logic.

Avril was Chris's sub. They had an open relationship, which later became a triad with Jill (that was still an open relationship).

>>32405138
>Do we still have enough juice left to, say, make Iolithae beholden to the laws of physics? Such as the coefficient of friction and how she should be slipping on the ice when she's wearing heels and moving that fast?
((You're nearly out of Domain power so you can't do exactly the same trick, but you could do basically the same with Persona. However, Iolithae is running on sufficiently high Aspect at the moment that she's more or less ignoring the laws of physics with miraculous brute force anyway.))
>Also, what exactly does Claiming a person or supernatural entity do to them?
((Ohhhhh brother. Anchors are a very, very complicated topic. There's actually a (free) 50 page ebook called 'The Story of Treasure' entirely devoted to trying to explain how the hell Anchors work in regular Nobilis. In very, very brief, Anchors do not usually get kill-switches - that was a very deliberate design choice the Man in the White Suit made because he has an obsession with controlling things and also he is kind of a dick. A level 1 miracle of Treasure - the one that doesn't cost you all that much - will let you possess your Anchor as an alternate body, suppressing its usual consciousness if it has one. This is more or less the level used on you in thread 36, although technically you should have been totally unconscious - I skipped that bit for dramatic effect. Level 2 lets you guide and advise and also act through your Anchor if needed. Obedience is not (usually) mystically enforced at either level - remember that the MC is sort-of an Anchor himself. Generally you either pick Anchors who are likely to do as you say or enforce your authority by more normal methods. If you particularly feel you need to. (As a caveat, if it is somehow part of the function of the Anchor to be loyal and obedient - a faithful butler, perhaps - then that loyalty becomes part of their personal nature. But that's a special case.) ))

>>32405712
>(As a caveat, if it is somehow part of the function of the Anchor to be loyal and obedient - a faithful butler, perhaps - then that loyalty becomes part of their personal nature. But that's a special case.) ))
welp, we're doing that to Avril then

>>32405878
>welp, we're doing that to Avril then
She's not our sub anymore, dude.

>>32405625
>What it would achieve is getting something solid to base off the relationship
So, let me see if I've got this right:
1. Claim Avril, making her an obedient servant. Making her obedient is the only way to make her no longer a threat.
2. Avril now must do as we tell her. She can still take independent action, but she has to obey whatever we tell her, including telling us of any plans she's put in motion against us.
3. Hope that Stockholm Syndrome sets in.

The problem with 3, though, is as you said: the fae and their way of thinking is a bit alien. Do fae ever suffer from Stockholm Syndrome? Can they, with their alien mentality?

>>32405709
That would be the sexual aspect of things, which was what kept the whole thing together. Chris actually had power over her beyond that but it was never clear just how much.
The reason why i say there wasn't really any logic was because nothing was never really established that well beyond the fact that they fucked.
Mostly, what existed was very much based on trust, which is something she betrayed, and we do want to try again but aren't willing to trust her so making her literally incapable of betraying us could work until we begin to trust her again. Not really a healthy way of going about this.

>>32406162
>which is something she betrayed
To be accurate, we betrayed it first.

>>32406162
>we do want to try again but aren't willing to trust her so making her literally incapable of betraying us could work until we begin to trust her again
You can't found a relationship on "come back to me I can't trust you anymore so I'll make you my bitch."

Also, according to MHQ, that's not how Claiming works anyway. We don't have a relationship to Avril that makes loyalty part of the natural character of our relationship to be exaggerated.

>>32406228
We actually betrayed it before we even had much of a relationship, and that was dealt by giving the kind power over us. This would be that, except in reverse.

>>32406295
Wheher we want to claim her or not is irrelevant as we have the whole contol thing going. The point is, we can put her in pretty much the same position Isabella is in.

>>32406295
>Also, according to MHQ, that's not how Claiming works anyway
Well, not exactly. Making obedience mystically enforced is not usual, but seems like it can be done.
And there's also no guarantee that the Man won't interfere while we're Claiming Avril, and put a kill-switch in Avril that only he controls; one, to be just a dick (that canonically he did to Isabella), and to ensure control over both us and Avril. He's a control freak; why WOULDN'T he get an additional layer of control if he could?

>>32406228
true, and we fixed it by giving part of our soul to her dad and everything we did for 40+ threads before blah blah

this is going in circles

>>32406162
>Not really a healthy way of going about this.
no its not, but its the best way we have to resolve things and move on, everything else is either ignoring her, which just got us into this mess when OP stabbed us in the back, or doing much much worse things to her

>>32406356
>The point is, we can put her in pretty much the same position Isabella is in.
I actually don't think we can. The Man can, but we can't.

>>32406303
>by giving the kind power over us
Actually, that power was held by Avril's Father, not herself. It was partly to get forgiveness from the King for harming his daughter as much as it was to try to make it up to Avril.

Also, Claiming Avril would give us far more control over her than the soul pact ever gave the King. Even the first level allows us to assume direct control over Avril, we'd be forcing her obedience (which the soul pact didn't enforce).

>>32406374
(( >>32406295 is right - the loyalty has to be part of the narrative nature of the anchor in question for it to come through as an inherent part of the Anchor bond.

Now, that's not saying you couldn't add in a second miracle that did give you whatever level of control you want, or that you couldn't just use a level 1 Treasure miracle (spending the MP) whenever you needed her to do something. But it wouldn't be an automatic consequence of claiming her as an Anchor.))

>>32406413
>but its the best way we have to resolve things and move on
Provide a timeline of events, a plan, of how Claiming Avril is going to resolve this situation and move on.
Or are you in the camp that simply wants her dominated and forced to be obedient?

>>32406374
I'm pretty sure if we deal with the Excrucians and impress The Man a bit, he'll give us that leeway, he's looking to be impressed and reward us when we do, we're his agent after all.

>>32406425
OP has said we can in a previous thread, I'm pretty sure the 'Claiming' is just the background mechanics for it (no idea why there must be soo much structure and background mechanics and crunch when we never see any of it or interact with any of it, we roll dice very rarely other then that we do what is thematically appropriate for what we believe we can do in what we've read from OPs writing.

>>32406481
So, realistically speaking (because you've been using nothing but rules babble which I don't understand in a practical sense), we can Claim Avril as ours, and then set about making her loyal with other uses of our power.

What is the realistic practical impact from Claming her? Because I'm not hearing or understanding shit and the rule lawyering and crunch I honestly think is stupid and unnecessary is getting in the road of actually physically understanding what we can do, and what the result will be.

TLDR: all these rules and mechanics that we've never seen nor need to understand nor need flatout are confuddling things, so what is the practical result and meaning?

Have you ever thought of getting rid of a lot of the mechanics and crunch in the background because they seem pointless to the story and experience and just confuse things.

>>32406487
>Provide a timeline of events, a plan, of how Claiming Avril is going to resolve this situation and move on.
Anon, I understand fucking nothing about the mechanics of this and what goes on in the background.

All I know is we can Claim her, and work from there to repair that particular bridge and we'll deal with it when we know more and work on it.

>>32406607
Are you >>32406574
Maybe you should put some more effort into reading comprehension?
Most of us seem to understand the mechanics as they've been introduced.

>>32406574
>need to understand
derp, cut that bit out

>>32406658
I understand the mechanics and what they entail, I'm just not seeing how that translates into what we can and cannot physically do, and the results and impacts of those actions.

I'm not seeing these mechanics translate into gameplay anon.

>>32406487
Not that anon but while making her obedient is not really that good way to approach this, it may be the only way to get any positive interactions between Arvil and Chris and even if that doesn't fix things, it sure as hell gets rid of one thing we have to worry about.

>>32406704
If I understand correctly:

1 mana - Claim
2 mana - make her our bitch (post-Claim)

>>32406735
>1 mana - Claim
yes but what does this actually do?

I understand the mechanics but not how that affects the characters in their interactions and the story

I honestly don't see the need for these convoluted rules holding everything in concrete, and as a quest, this should be focused towards the story and the experience, which all this just diminishes from

>>32406730
>it may be the only way to get any positive interactions between Arvil and Chris
We could, you know, just talk with her. We can get into her court after defeating the Excrucians.

>>32406805
and then what anon? get stabbed in the back again?

we could have just talked to her before, and it wouldn't' have mattered, OP made sure of that

>>32406574
>So, realistically speaking (because you've been using nothing but rules babble which I don't understand in a practical sense), we can Claim Avril as ours, and then set about making her loyal with other uses of our power.
((Yes.))
>>32406574
>>32406781
((There are lots of complicated impacts because as much as I'm trying to shield you all from needing to understand the rules and mechanics, *I* still need to understand them, because trying to run half of the Nobilis system while throwing out the other half would just make things even *more* confusing and unstable.

The practical result will be an Avril that, if you choose to spend a bit of power, you can puppet around sort of like in thread 36. Plus you will be able to telepathically communicate with her and guide and advise her and ask her to come help you with stuff (and have that help actually make a difference in Noble-to-Noble level combat where ordinarily she'd be so much cannon fodder). Okay?))
>>32406735
((Actually, since Avril has notable magical powers, it'd be 3 MP (out of 5) to Claim her. Claiming a regular mundane thing as an Anchor is technically free. Possession is 1MP, not 2.))

>>32406833
So you assume that we'll always be backstabbed unless we have someone mystically bound to us so that they can't disobey us.

>>32406875
from what has happened to us? yes

>>32406849
right, thanks for that explanation

>>32406888
You make a great case for why Avril did what she did, and why she, and everyone else we interact with, should treat us as nothing but a threat to their free will.

>>32406875
Well he's only going off of what has been written and what we've read, which when dealing with Avril and the fae, is exactly what we've been taught to expect from OP.

>>32406925
then convince me otherwise anon, show me an alternative that can fix our mess nicely, because I just ain't seeing one after what we've been through

>>32406875
The whole reason we're discussing making her our bitch is that we don't trust her to not be a problem. If she's willing to backstab us now, she'll be willing to do so in the future and she may want to fuck us over. We trusted her quite blindly and now that she has betrayed us we don't know how much we can trust her and we don't want to kill her because we still care.
Also, fae have a bad reputation and this hasn't helped.

>>32406977
>>32407049
Are we going to Claim Jill as well? She doesn't seem to be the sort that would take us taking control of Avril lightly, since it'd be the same as, or worse than, what her mother had done to her.

>>32407142
Jill is another can of worms but no, we shouldn't need to or want to Claim her, she said she needed some time and would talk later when we last spoke to her

>>32407183
That's before we go and Claim Avril and make her into an obedient servant that can't disobey us.
How is she going to react to what we do to Avril now? She was trying to come to terms with what we did to Avril, and now we're going to do something even worse? Not just violate her physically and break her trust, but now also violate her soul?

>>32407183
>Jill is another can of worms but no, we shouldn't need to or want to Claim her, she said she needed some time and would talk later when we last spoke to her
She's not going to be positive towards us if we mindfuck Avril.

Can we try... I don't know, waiting a bit? If Avril attacks us, then that provides us with casus belli: we were willing to let sleeping dogs lie, she wasn't. If she doesn't attack us, then we can maybe start to repair relations with her in a normal, non-mindfucky way (then when she's our sub again, Claim her to exaggerate her loyalty).

>>32407142
We don't really have to. Even if she reacts negatively, she's unlikely to become an actual threat.

>>32407260
Claiming Avril and making her loyal to us are two different and separate things anon, Claiming her levels the playing field and means we can start working to trust her and work with her again.

That ain't enslaving her.

>>32407262
>>Can we try... I don't know, waiting a bit? If Avril attacks us, then that provides us with casus belli: we were willing to let sleeping dogs lie, she wasn't. If she doesn't attack us, then we can maybe start to repair relations with her in a normal, non-mindfucky way (then when she's our sub again, Claim her to exaggerate her loyalty).
Thats what I want to do anon, work to repair the relationship without using any of our powers, and if need be we can Claim her if she causes us trouble or down the line when she's our sub again.

>>32407262
That sounds like the best plan anon.

>>32407262
What is going on is that there are some people who want to just fuck her over, enslave her or in some other manner make her pay for betraying us and maybe then fix things and some who just want to get together with her again.

>>32406977
>an alternative that can fix our mess nicely
We can talk to Avril through Jill, continue saying that we want to reconcile now that the world-ending threat of the Excrucians is over.
We can try to talk with her through Jill's aunt as well, assuming she still comes to the human world.
But most of all, showing that we are willing to talk and not try to attack her. If there is to be any real trust, rather than obedience and control, then we need to show that we're willing to trust her to not attack us as soon as our back is turned.

That's not to say that we shouldn't be on our toes, or actually think with our head instead of our dick; we should listen to what Avril says and doesn't say, and analyze what she's doing more.

IF she chooses to attack us, then fine. We'll Claim her, and we're just protecting ourselves. But only as a reaction, and not pre-emptively. That will help to keep Jill from getting any more negative to us than she already is.

>>32407432
sounds sound enough

>Jill's aunt
I had forgotten about Miranda, she we can Claim

>>32407309
>Claiming her levels the playing field and means we can start working to trust her and work with her again.
How does Claiming Avril level the playing field?
As stated already, Claiming Avril allows to:
Level 1: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL, let's us use her like a puppet
Level 2: Allows for telepathic communication, guide and advise, as well as channel power through them.
If we don't make her obedient, then she can still act against us. If we do make her obedient, that is enslaving her.

Here are the three posts for how it works
>>32405712
>>32406481
>>32406849

Plus the pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/5biv58s7

>>32407432
She made it pretty clear that she wants to have nothing to do with us.
I think we should either just go kill her or enslave her.

>>32407523
>I had forgotten about Miranda, she we can Claim
If you think Miranda honestly likes us, you're dumb as a brick. She's Avril's old teacher and closely associated with the fae. It's power politics, nothing more, nothing less.

>>32407523
>she we can Claim
Again, Jill is still the sticking point. Taking that level of implied control (the puppeteering one, not just the obedience), without the informed consent of the Claimant, would most likely send her into a psychotic rage like what we saw with her and that storm of knives.
Also, it would set back our relations with Avril even further.

Now, that's not to say that someone wouldn't ever give their consent. After Claiming someone we could boost their powers, as the example of the Claimed butler going from 'average' to 'Archetype of the Perfect Butler' was given.

>>32407646
>If you think Miranda honestly likes us, you're dumb as a brick.
uhh that does not come into it at all, it gives us an agent inside the fae court, and she kind of deserves it after helping Avril betray us

>>32407733
>uhh that does not come into it at all, it gives us an agent inside the fae court, and she kind of deserves it after helping Avril betray us
Then you run right back into the "you're acting like a sociopathic asshole and proving that Avril was completely right to betray you" problem.

>>32407763
soo I'm thinking like a fae?

>>32407716
>After Claiming someone we could boost their powers, as the example of the Claimed butler going from 'average' to 'Archetype of the Perfect Butler' was given.
This gives me an idea - would Claiming Masami help to prevent her from turning into a Deep One?

>>32407831
Maybe?
But it could be that she's already Claimed by Dagon.
Or Claiming her could put us on Dagon's radar.
We'd have to check further before making any plans around this.

>>32407432
Personally, i'm not optimistic about that. I don't think we can actually have a chance of getting her back. It was made pretty clear that she doesn't really care and she destroyed the relationship fully aware of what she was doing. She got close to us to take the throne and she just did that. She has absolutely no reason to associate with us now that she has achieved her goal.
The reason people want to claim her is because it binds her to us. She will not want to deal with us but we can use it to try build something if we force her to stick around.

>>32407895
>ut we can use it to try build something if we force her to stick around.
Why would forcing her to stick around cause anything but resentment? Unless you're hoping that Stockholm Syndrome kicks in?

>>32407895
>The reason people want to claim her is because it binds her to us. She will not want to deal with us but we can use it to try build something if we force her to stick around.
Thats one of my main reasons to use it, yes Claiming her is shitty if we have to, but after the freight train that ruined everything, theres not a lot we can do to salvage that relationship.

I'm all for the non Claim way and talk it out and use non-mindfuckery fuckery to repair it, but I'm prepared to use Claiming on her as a backup.

>>32407959
Because there is little else we can actually do beyond just letting her go and people are not too fold of that.

>>32408014
>Because there is little else we can actually do beyond just letting her go and people are not too fold of that.
I would honestly prefer it.

>>32408042
I'd rather just kill her and take the throne.

>>32408042
>>32408059
And I'd rather repair the relationship and go back to the fun we had before the shitnado and gain her as a powerful ally with her court supporting us.

But I've got to leave for work, so good day anons, glad to see this quest running again, I'll see you in the next thread.

>>32408124
>And I'd rather repair the relationship and go back to the fun we had before the shitnado and gain her as a powerful ally with her court supporting us.
Well, I mean I'd rather that than leaving the relationship dead, but I'd rather leave the relationship dead than exact some torturous revenge fantasy on a person we supposedly cared about and we literally raped.

>>32408124
Did you miss the part where she hates our guts and has done so since long ago?
There wasn't a relationship to be had to begin with. It was all a lie.
We can go fight the bitch and get the fae or we can leave them be and let them fuck us behind the scenes.

Okay, trying to collate thoughts on Avril-Chris.

The problem of repairing the relationship is that the relationship was fundamentally fucked. In retrospect, huge chunks of it was Avril trying to use Chris to accomplish her goals. She seduced him for that purpose. She had him give a piece of his soul to her dad for that purpose. She kept needling him to get in a fight for that purpose. Which means that, at least from thread 6, Avril was never planning on doing anything worthwhile with Chris. Which means that she literally seduced and fed Jill to him in order to reassure him that she was totes fine? Then did the same with Miranda? Knowing that he could and might totally rape them for it?

That... doesn't sound quite right. I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe Avril's just a piece of shit who'll gladly hand people over to get raped if it furthers her goals.

>>32408405
The fae seem to be quite sociopathic in the first place. They function on a completely different morality from humans.

>>32408405
>Knowing that he could and might totally rape them for it?
But that was after the soul pact which was supposed to put the Darkest Self on a tighter leash, wasn't it?
So maybe she thought that it would also keep Chris from raping Jill and Miranda?

>>32408377
no anon, we are going to BEFRIEND the shit out of Avril, then there will be glorious hatesex on top of her throne.

>>32408655
>But that was after the soul pact which was supposed to put the Darkest Self on a tighter leash, wasn't it?
Words were said to the effect of "it's basically impossible to get rid of, it's part of how your soul fits into your body now, but giving up a piece of your soul will reduce its power."

>>32408757
For me, tighter leash = reduce its power.
Do you have a different idea of what a tighter leash entails?

>>32408720
If we go and take the throne, that would get her to be with us again. To backstab us, certainly, but still. If tg doesn't want to give up on a waifu there's nothing i can say to change that.

>>32408841
It's reduced, not gone, is the thing. It could still have happened, if /tg/ slammed its collective noggin into a concrete wall and lost all higher functions, causing it to repeat the exact sequence of events which caused Avril's rape (unlikely, but she has no real way of knowing that).

>>32408845
anon, she can keep the throne as long as we get her, the throne is not of much use to us, but it is to her, and if we get her, we get the use the throne gives her

>>32408923
I think you a word there.
Anyway, If we go challenge her and beat her we will be the king. If you insist, we can make her our queen.

>>32409072
I'd honestly rather repair the relationship and take the time to get her loyal to us and be our sub again and Claim her to strengthen her loyalty, and then get control over the fae court that way, from the shadows.

>>32409158
The relationship was based on lies and she wants to have nothing to do with us.

>>32409228
Then we make a new one anon.

Stop being a stick in the mud.

>>32409291
My point was that we'll need to get it started somehow and and she doesn't want us in her life.
There is nothing to fix, there wasn't a fight between a girlfriend and boyfriend, there was her coming out with her true intentions. THUS, if we really want to keep her, even after all that, we'll have to force ourself to her life somehow.

>>32409291
That is not possible. Sorry man.

>>32402599
She betrayed us because she's fae.
The consequence was the loss of trust, not the betrayal, since I'm sure a fae is perfectly capable of betraying someone it loves and trusts.

>>32414080
Maybe, if we hadn't raped her and irrevocably damaged our relationship, she would've used us as a figurehead King, or just asked nicely for the formal title while maintaining cordial relations.

>>32415650
I find that unlikely.
If she really hated us she would have just killed us on spot. She wanted not to just rule (she was a princess already) but the power that comes with the throne.

>>32415650
>Maybe, if we hadn't raped her and irrevocably damaged our relationship, she would've used us as a figurehead King, or just asked nicely for the formal title while maintaining cordial relations.
I dunno, I play WoD and Exalted and my view on fae is basically "They are dicks because they are dicks, their likes and dislikes never factor into them doing something because it might be interesting or advantageous".

>>32415689
That.

>>32415689
>If she really hated us she would have just killed us on spot.
She might not have even believed such a thing was possible, since she recruited Chris because he has mega magical juice. Also, the relationship WAS started for the purpose of overthrowing her father; it would be a shame to just throw it all away when that's still in the cards.

>She wanted not to just rule (she was a princess already) but the power that comes with the throne.
Which she could pretty easily have acquired from Chris, since he's run by /tg/ and thus trivial to manipulate by anything with tits and ass.