>>32478933
Its a toss up between him and Gor dude.

I imagine that there are worse ones out there and that scares me a little.

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>>32478961
A friend recommended Jack Chalker to me recently and I'm considering moving him towards the top of the list. There's only so many times a character can be mindcontrolled/genderbent/baleful polymorphed in the same book before you start to suspect something is up the author's dick

Third for Goodkind. Reason goes without saying (I should hope).

>>32479007
RRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE! GLORIOUS RAAAAAAAAAAAPE!

>>32478933
George R. R. Martin. Because I'd be the guy playing the Starks.

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Starts out pretty normal, if with some mary sue-ish NPCs and odd fixations, and then suddenly there's furry rape all over the place.

>>32478933
>>32478961
>>32479007
Looks like you guys just lack MORAL CLARITY!

>>32478933

Ayn Rand.

>5 sessions later
>GMPC is still monologueing

>>32479091
GMPC is literally perfect, antagonists are practically zombies

>>32479080
Are they victims played for sympathy or the other way around?

>>32479113
Half and half. On the one hand it was portrayed as a painful and traumatising experience, yet on the other it had healthy doses of "she basically brought it on herself" and "she was actually enjoying it"

>>32479088
My next BBEG is going to be a high level Black Guard who believes he is a Paladin, give him some super bulshit over powered master crafted bastard sword and his battle cry is going to be MY MORAL CLARITY IS RISING!! as he charges into battle with an erection.

Possibly might give him a succubus wife who steals the souls of mortals and turns them into drones.

Can we all agree that Neil Gaiman would be the best WoD GM ever ever?

>>32479155
Pair him up with Terry Pratchett and you've got gold.

Seriously, Good Omens ruled.

>*Spends 20 minutes describing the enemy's gun in minute detail*
>"So what is he gonna do with it"
>"Oh, yeah, right. He shoots you in the face, you're dead. Your corpse is raped by a roving gang of negroes urban youths. If only you'd had a gun yourself."

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Tolkien would probably be fairly dull as a DM. He'd spend ages to describe the setting background and then go full magical realm when it comes to how pretty hair elves have.

Michael Moorcock? If you can get him to shut the fuck up about politics for 5 minutes he might be decent.

R.E. Howard: Could be cool for hack & slash-campaign.

Leigh Brackett: Mas macho!

>>32479310
A REH campaign would be great as long as you weren't looking for political intrigue or complex twists.

>>32479027

Honestly, I cared less about the rape and the rape witched with their rape wands and rape magic (not to mention the entirely seperate band of rape witches who were actual witches and they practiced mind rape first and actual rape later as apposed to the other way arround with rape witches.

>>Dat objectivism

In the beginning in small doses it was okay, later it became this terrible edgy nonsense between all the rape.

>>Totally killed my rapeboner

>>32479166
>

This

Gaiman needs a wingman lest his shit devolves towards children tales (not that I particularly mind I just don't think we should play changeling all the time).

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>you cannot change the course of history
>you have no agency over your own circumstance
>everything you have ever loved will die
>you cannot grow as an individual
>you can never escape your past

abercrombie pls

pls

>>32479411
Doesn't he have one book with completely obvious stand-ins for Clinton and some other democrats?

Also, obligatory MORAL CLARITY excerpt so anybody can experience the insanity:
" A plump, curly-haired woman took a step out from the others. Her round face was red with anger as she screamed. "Stop the hate! No war! Stop the hate! No war!"
"Move or die!" Richard yelled as he picked up speed.
The red-faced woman shook her fleshy fist at Richard and his men, leading an angry chant. "Murderers! Murderers! Murderers!"
On his way past her, gritting his teeth as he screamed with the fury of the attack begun, Richard took a powerful swing, lopping off the woman's head and upraised arm. Strings of blood and gore splashed across the faces behind her even as some still chanted their empty words. The head and loose arm tumbled through the crowd. A man mad the mistake of reaching for Richard's weapon, and took the full weight of a charging thrust.
Men behind Richard hit the line of evil's guardians with unrestrained violence. People armed only with their hatred for moral clarity fell bloodied, terribly injured, and dead. The line of people collapsed before the merciless charge. Some of the people, screaming their contempt, used their fists to attack Richard's men. They were met with swift and deadly steel."

George R R Martin

Your campaign would start out kinda good but end up, well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY

>>32479447
>Except when you happen to be a magician. Then your life might turn out to be pretty sweet.

The Heroes was kind of a let-down, though.

>>32479102
Hey, I'd love to play the zombie apocalypse as a super-wealthy industrialist.

"Your scientists have successfully developed a promising cure. The government is demanding you release the formula for genericization without guaranteeing the patent. What do you do?"

>>32479483
Throw a tantrum like a five-year-old, destroy the cure, hold a three-hour monologue that causes all the zombies to die from boredom.

>>32479469

No, your life is still gonna suck. Its just going to suck on an even bigger scale than everyone elses.

>>32479351
Good point.

>>32479447
Come on, those books weren't nearly that depressing. People did some awesome stuff, and plenty of characters ended up fairly happy by the end.

>>32479455
Jesus fucking christ, I liked the first book when I read it with zero interpretation (second reading after learning a bit about the author was much less enjoyable. Never read books 2 and beyond), but this is bullshit.

>>32478933
Piers "Literally Writes Books to Groom Children" Anthony.

>>32479088
cluck

>>32479617
I got as far as book 4. I started to treat it as some sort of mental endurance test.

I wish I had never bothered.

>>32479137

Make sure he kicks some cute little girl in the jaw every time he gets an erection.

>>32479310
>Michael Moorcock? If you can get him to shut the fuck up about politics for 5 minutes he might be decent.
He'd be fun in his "writing Elric stories for alcohol & dropping acid with Hawkwind" phase.

>>32479455
I'm just going to point out that those people are members of the People's Peace Army. They're warcamp followers. They stand in front of the super religious army and tell people to lay down their weapons. When the other army does, then the religious army steps in and butchers most the men, enslaves the rest and any women go to the rape tents. Then the warcamp followers move around the bodies of the enemy and scavenge the bodies for loot. If there's anyone that isn't actually dead like, dying from battle wounds they kill the person themselves and then take their stuff.

I know that this post will only be met with spite and derision, but I'm a little drunk and depressed and I liked this series when I was a kid. I'm gonna leave the thread and let you guys get back to it, sorry for bugging you.

That ending was a total cop-out though.

>>32479653
They were literally written because the author was pissed about people objecting to the gulf war, so he had his original character do not steal brutally murder them. The Clintons show up in his books, for fuck's sake. It's basically 90s America, Fantasy Objectivist Edition.

Robert Jordan. He dies halfway through the campaign.

>>32479091

INcorrect. The PCs actions, no matter hpw horrible, are praised for their independant thinking and for pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. The fact that they raped and murdered their way to the top doesn't matter.

>>32479617

Just be happy that you quit before the Rape Pit was introduced.

>>32479667
>fantasy objectivist
Now there's redundancy. All objectivism is fantasy, just like everything else that came out of the libertarian/anarcho-capitalist complex.

>>32479653

That actually makes it worse, broseph.

Also you had shit taste as a kid.

>>32479692
This is fantasy as in mowing down hordes of orcs and liberals, not fantasy as in mowing down hordes of ni-- ne-- urban ferals and liberals.

>>32479529
plenty? there's like, two, tops. logen's hope of learning how to accept another woman after his dead wife is dashed, and then he's betrayed by his own kingdom. jezal is forced against his will to live out the rest of his life as bayaz' puppet with his lesbian wife who hates him. ferro forgets logen and reverts back to not being able to find happiness in anything but killing the gurkish, and now she has demon voices in her head driving her crazy. half the northmen are dead. west is dead. the only one who gets off light is glokta, who gets to be with ardee while living out the rest of his life as bayaz' puppet just like jezal. it's a bummer for pretty much everyone except bayaz.

>>32479653
Well, even then you still have a protagonist who happily commits a wholesale massacre of unarmed noncombatants. Yet he is still held up as the pinnacle of moral clarity.

Not to mention of course the issue >>32479667 mentioned, the author explicitly designed the situation in such a way that his protagonist could go apeshit on apparent paficists.

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>>32479709

Christopher Panolini,
Or the guy who wrote Eragon/The Inheritance series.
IRL this guy is narcissist supreme he would be That GM and have up to three DMPCs. All of the PCs will do epic things, create tales worthy of praise, and shake the very world, yet still overpowered by a DMPC dragon rider.
Also, your magic would suck balls.
Unless you're a necromancer and steal life everywhere you walk.

I actually enjoy the books and still read them today, really good story, but the only characters who actually have depth are Roran, Orin, and Nasuada. Everyone else is one-sided and only exists to stroke big E's shaft.

>>32479650
Yeah and although he wrote the Hawkmoon-books simply to make some quick money, I still think it'd be a fun campaign.

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>>32479460

>I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I got a chapter in Meereen.

>>32479726
You sir, made me literally laugh out loud. Good show!

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>>32479709
The courtroom was quiet as the videotape ended. The Jury sat stunned. Several
jaws hung slack. One jury woman was openly weeping. No one had anticipated a
story like this.

The Judge refocused his eyes and mopped his brow with a handkerchief. "Is—is the
Defense ready to proceed?"

"We are, Your Honor. We believe that this poignant tape establishes that though the Defendant may be technically guilty of the charge against him, he is not morally guilty. He did not seek the girl, he did not force his attention on her. He demurred at every stage, by her own testimony. It was entirely voluntary on her part. In fact, they were lovers, in the truest sense, age no barrier. The law may say he is guilty, but the law is sometimes an ass."

Several members of the Jury nodded their agreement.

Then he turned to the Jury. "If there is guilt here, then surely it is that of the father, who set her up by incestuously toying with her. And of her brother, who practiced sodomy on her with a candle. Remember, it was to escape that abuse that she first fled and found the Defendant. The Defendant never hurt her. He did only what she asked. He gave her what no other man did. He loved her. We may take issue with the manner of the expression of that love, but we cannot deny its reality. She came to him of her own accord, again and again, because what he offered her was so much better than what she received at home. Her family should be on trial!"

she was literally a five year old child

the book is literally dedicated to a nambla member

>>32479705
i should point out here that i'm just talking about the first law trilogy. i know they character reappear in the standalone trilogy but i haven't read those yet, no spoilers please, i am hype as fuck for best served cold but i'm in the middle of mistborn right now.

>>32479705
Well, it was heavily implied that while Glokta and Jezal were to follow Bayaz' instructions, they'd still have a relatively high degree of autonomy as long as they didn't fuck with his overall plans. At the very least Jezal could have a nice hedonistic personal life with a discreet mistress or three, and eventually come to an understanding with his wife so that she'd get a similar deal.

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>>32479741
man, please don't insult conan like that. he was a good and wise ruler.

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>>32479738
Best Served Cold owns bones, look forward to that one. I think it even had a kinda happy-ish ending for some of the characters.

>>32479703
Nah son, libertarian/anarcho-capitalists believe race doesn't matter, they wouldn't be the type to fantasize about that. But their beliefs are literally fantasy, as in, they have no connection to reality. Everything associated with them, from austrian economics to the concept of the sovereign citizen, is a steaming load of irrational bullshit that quite clearly doesn't work in real life.

>>32479738

It mostly doesn't get better.

The list of people who get to a) live out the whole eries and b) die happy and fulfilled is pretty fucking short.

>>32479740
'spend the rest of your life as a puppet for magical adolf satan, waiting for him to shank you as soon as someone more useful shows up' is not generally considered a happy ending.

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>>32479761

>>32479128
>>32479080
Wat. What are you talking about dude? Don't know what you mean.

Unless you're talking about the second book, which is indeed unpleasant, and weird, despite serving a role in the story.

>>32479676
But hey, at least it picks up after that

The female NPC, who has just learned how much she likes to wear revealing clothes, pulls her braid

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>>32479769

Seriously man, FUCK these books.

>>32479737
God dammit Piers... just... just god dammit...

>>32479091
I'm still kinda surprised that Rand has such a great following when not just her philosophy is morally and intellectually bankrupt, but she's also just a plain shitty writer. The antagonists are cardboard cutouts who have no motivation other to be an obstruction to the protagonists, the protagonists are flawless, and there deus ex machinas out the wazoo.

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>>32479763
>Nah son, libertarian/anarcho-capitalists believe race doesn't matter, they wouldn't be the type to fantasize about that.
>they wouldn't be the type to fantasize about that.
Have you ever met them? In theory, sure. In practice, it takes about five minutes of advanced political philosophy to get to eugenics, a free trade in children being a moral necessity, and how important it is to build a free enclave where ~those people~ won't be allowed in.

>austrian economics
This shit owns. "It's SCIENCE, you can't argue against it! You can't disprove it because we literally reject the idea of evidence and derive things a priori! That is how science works! buy gold google ron paul"

>>32479773
Yeah, I was referring to the second one. I always mix up which is which. Though even the first one had its share of furry sex, if consensual at that point.

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>>32479791
What really pisses me off is people who cite shit like Atlas Shrugged like its history, like something like that could happen again if don't all suck the cocks of capital owners.

>>32479793
The harper hall trilogy was _far_ more gloriously Sue.

>>32479617
Here's an idea for a campaign. Richard is the BBEG and the Sword of Truth has a twisted definition of "Truth". It retcons reality so that the users decisions become retroactively correct, making Richards actions become correct by the fact that he did it. The PC are inexplicably immune to the retcons and now must oppose Richard. The PCs are treated badly by most NPC because Richard has a very nasty habit of making up a bunch of atrocities that his enemies do and then believing the things he completely made up. There is also a literal Plot Armour mechanic. The plot works for Richard at the beginning of the story and the PCs must spend the game stripping away his Plot Armour. I even have a Villainous Breakdown planned for Richard since he believes that evil will always fail, not realizing that he's the villain.

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>>32479800

Christopher Paolini.
I have a few names of horrible fantasy authors from my country, but luckily enough they didn't make it out of here and probably no one knows them abroad.

>>32479797
>eugenics
No, they say DAS STAAAAAYTIS!

>a free trade in children being a moral necessity
Has nothing to do with race.

>and how important it is to build a free enclave where ~those people~ won't be allowed in.
Libertarian/anarcho-capitalists get frothing at the mouth mad when you suggest the idea of ethnic cohesion and a right to maintain borders. DAS STAAAAAYTIS!

>>32479791
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

>>32479804
>What really pisses me off is people who cite shit like Atlas Shrugged like its history, like something like that could happen again if don't all suck the cocks of capital owners.
>could happen again
>again
um, anon

>>32479769

I liked The Belgariad and The Mallorean. Formulaic, but still enjoyable.

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>>32479817
>No, they say DAS STAAAAAYTIS!
Not if it's free market eugenics. I mean, do you really think your dispute resolution organisation would let you stay on the preferred low rate if you had a relationship with a statistically high-risk individual?

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>>32479817
They're absolutely all in favour of those things if they're implemented by the free market, in the form of massive, powerful corporations. It's only when the serfs get to vote that they get twitchy.

>>32479800
What? more like "Character torture: The Book"

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>>32479827
Is that the one where the main dude spends the entire book in a house in the middle of nowhere?

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>>32479846

>>32479155
Neil Gaiman GMing Changeling
Think about it

>>32479846
Dude, have you read Elric? Dude literally starts out as the one good melnibonean with a conscience. I mean, sure, things go badly wrong, but he's not T'zzird.

>>32479838
Which corporations wouldn't do, since corporations like to have a large mass of mongrel slaves to do their work. Sure, the Chosen might get to have their own little enclaves, but not anyone else.

>>32479799
Wasn't furry, really. It's the old wizard's apprentice turning into animal trope poked around a bit. The books are weird, though. Not sure where the final one will go at this point, after the mass depression train that the first two were.

>>32479832
Now you're just making shit up to try to conflate two groups you don't like. Here, I can play that game too, using equally sound logic.

>Golarion
>A setting in which you can engage in slavery and be lawful good
>Everything that happens in a game, you also want to happen in real life.

>Civil war era slaveowners
>Also own slaves

Pathtards confirmed for secessionists

>>32479861
It's true, corporations have never discriminated against people on a massive scale. It's not like they're made up of and run by powerful people who may be racist as hell.

>>32479820
>There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

Come on dude, at least source the quote.

>>32479875
The libertarian/anarcho-capitalist ideal future would have corporations governed by their own psychopathic tribe, they would not have any interest in racism except for that small tribe, so on a grand scale, regions governed by them would not have racist policies and would on the contrary be encouraging everyone to mix.

>>32479874
>>Golarion
>>A setting in which you can engage in slavery and be lawful good
>>Everything that happens in a game, you also want to happen in real life.
>>Civil war era slaveowners
>>Also own slaves
>Pathtards confirmed for secessionists
a) they claim that slavery can be lawful good
b) they claim that lawful good is a good thing
c) pathfinder literally broke away from 3.5 to establish its existence as a separate system, a large part of the reason for which was that they wanted to ensure they could still publish golarion content and adventure paths without the distributors rejecting material for a dead system, they literally seceded over a setting where slavery is lawful good

d) skr

>>32479769
I liked those books. If it weren't for those books I would not have survived school.

>>32479896
OK. Source is John Rogers, who wrote (among other things) the Fells Five D&D comic and Leverage.

>>32479899
>they would not have any interest in racism except for that small tribe, so on a grand scale, regions governed by them would not have racist policies and would on the contrary be encouraging everyone to mix.
Except when things go wrong, racism is a really easy way to scapegoat people. It's also a really easy way to justify raiding those other fuckers across the valley and stealing their shit. Racism is useful to scumbags like "anarcho"-capitalists

>>32479804
I remember reading a rant by some econ major a few years ago who was just so incredibly pissed that they were taught about Marx. Kept going on and on about how Marx is like totally irrelevant and who even cares and it's all wasted time when Rand had already solved the whole thing. It was hilarious.

>>32479921

And, of course, that's assuming a perfectly rational set of decision makers. Which is a lot like a perfectly spherical goat.

>>32479935
[blink]THIS IS WHAT AUSTRIAN ECONOMISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE[/blink]

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>>32479921
Libertarian/anarcho-capitalists would simply stage a small false flag and then use that to justify war on the basis of their target having "violated the NAP".

Or would just send in PMC thugs to do the work.

The problem with ethnic coherency is that ethnically coherent nation-states have historically been the worst enemy the libertarian/anarcho-capitalists ever faced.

>>32479933
FFS. Even if you think his solutions were shit, at least he was fairly good at diagnosing problems.

OTOH, the only problem is insufficient freedom, and the only solution is sacrifices to hasten the arrival of the blind idiot free market, and he didn't cover any of that...

>>32479951
The thing about the whole libertarian fantasy is that it absolutely excludes the reality of what people are actually like. While this is true for, well, pretty much all big political ideologies, it's doubly apparent in a proposed system where economical might makes right.

>>32479935
>>32479940
That's another fun thing. You have all those people who took one course of econ 101 in college and now think it's at all applicable to the real world. Those courses really need a big honking disclaimer that it's really just a bunch of abstractions to lay the groundwork, similar to frictionless vacuums in physics or the simple orbital model in chemistry.

>>32478933
You know, I don't know if it's the sunglasses, the bald head combined with the most unfortunately colored and trimmed beard, or some other, unnameable quality to his face.

But even before /tg/ told me of his work I couldn't help but want to smash his unpleasant head in.

>>32479966
It appeals to people that believe themselves to be perfectly rational, and who have never needed government aid that they recognize as such. That's why it shows up a lot in /tg/ areas and high tech.

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>>32479991
You can't see it from the picture there but he actually has a ponytail.

>>32479952
Yeah, you're absolutely free to disagree with him. The main point is that Marx undeniable made a huuuge impact to the world of capital, labor, and if you will even global history. In other words, he is incredibly relevant to any education about economics, whereas Rand, well, isn't.

>>32479976
Why bother, when you can declare "evidence" to be a distraction from the perfection of your economics?

>>32480008
Oh god, that just makes it worse.

>>32479995
>who have never needed government aid that they recognize as such
Not always. The only moral food stamps are my food stamps, and all that.

>the only moral roads are the ones I drive on

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>>32479859
>Dude, have you read Elric? Dude literally starts out as the one good melnibonean with a conscience.

He's not outcast for being "good" and probably isn't "the one good Melnibonean." He's pretty much the literal prototype for chaotic evil protagonists -- as the alignment system mostly stems from Moorcock's works, was cited as an example of a CE protagonist and even acknowledges himself as evil. He just has a tenuous and unreliable positive element to his personality.

He's outcast for destroying his homeland by invading it and delivering it to an army of brigands, his race condemned to slow extinction on account of practically all their women and children butchered or taken away as rape slaves at best... all because he was cranky at having his power usurped, and winds up disgracefully retreating as a blubbering coward.

It all goes downhill from there...

Though seriously, I do like that analysis of Drizz't.

>>32479000
Yeah, seriously. Being a well world book protagonist is suffering.

>>32479995
So it appeals to the delusional?

>>32480009
Oh, I don't disagree with Marx. Just pointing out that even if you're a hard-right economist, if you're intellectually honest you can find useful material from him.

Rand, well, I know it's a mortal sin and all, but if it ever gets really cold one night and I'm locked in a library, I'll be glad for her books.

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>>32480012
He calls the bead and ponytail together "a yeard".

>>32479797
You be trollin. Most don't believe in the free market on children crap, and while a free market on children is a terrible idea, you are also misrepresenting the idea (paying for adoption isn't exactly an inherently immoral idea).

>>32480038
>yeard
Wait, what? The fuck is that even? How does one get to such a name?

>>32480027
>He's not outcast for being "good" and probably isn't "the one good Melnibonean."
Have you _read_ Elric? He's not good, but he's obnoxiously good and moral by the standards of his people. Moorcock was far more Law vs Chaos as cosmic forces, too, not LAW = GOOD CHAOS = EVIL. Both sides are horrible, he's just involuntarily chosen as a tool by chaos.

His race and homeland totally fucking deserved it. His first appearance is at a party where the musical instrument is dozens of slaves modified to scream at a precise pitch. You play chords by torturing the right ones.

>>32480049
I be reading respected philosophers and frequently-cited intellectuals in the field. They're monsters.

Ilona Andrews

>guys here is my totally original story that I didn't copy off Jim over there

>>32480063
>His first appearance is at a party where the musical instrument is dozens of slaves modified to scream at a precise pitch.
Not gonna lie, curious how that would sound.

>>32480030
Yes. These are the same fucknuts who voted for Tea Party candidates and think buttsex should be illegal.

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>And it turns out that [minor NPC] was actually the one forever destined to save the entire world!
>Good job PC's, although it turns out that everything would have turned out exactly the same without your actions because of fate.

>>32480071
>respected
by crazy people
>frequently-cited
by crazy people
>intellectuals
regarded as such by crazy people

I mean, Mises, Rothbard, and a shit-ton of others.

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>>32480053
Do a google image search of him, it's hilarious.

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>The GM puts his own character in the game
>The GM's character is perfect
>Everything good happens to the GM's character
>Everything bad happens to everyone else's character

>>32479653

Pretty much.

It's annoying, because I find the Objectivism stuff irritating - but all the people who bitch about it pick the worst examples.

The situation was time critical, he didn't actually have a way to get past them without hurting them and their being unarmed was a weapon used to murder anyone who chose not to harm them.

A quick and nasty cut through their ranks really was the most merciful action.

>>32480078
some of them don't think buttsex should be illegal, but frequently vote for politicians who try to make it illegal anyway, because freedom

>>32479902
I literally took the most random and tenuous comparison I could think of... bravo.

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>>32478933

China Mieville, mostly because he'd probably glass the first player who got bored with Marxist themes in the campaign.

>>32480071

Rothbard could be especially bad for it. One moment he's espousing a perfectly logical - if probably wrong - hypothesis on inflationary printing, the next he's asking if chattel slavery was really wrong and if it wouldn't be more moral to just shoot protestors.

>>32480088
Fucking Rothfuss, man. I really enjoy his prose and binged through the books in record time, but dammit if some of the story and his protagonist isn't the most cringeworthy shit.

>If I read "alar of ramson steel" one more time..

>>32479811

The obvious solution is to join him and make him take wiser actions.

>>32480113
His books are weird and disappointing.
>Kraken
>not actually about monstrous cephalopods

Least? hmm... let me look for that godawful piece of shit book...
Jay Kristoff - stormdancers


now on the other hand.. i would love to have Brandon Sanderson as GM. expect interesting/non-typical world and interesting social structure.

i seriously dropped the book after first 5 pages. it reads like some kind of american/european guy wants to present japanese story badly, and fails at it

>>32480076
Probably horrid. Can't really set pitch that well without ~magic~, and any melody would sound like...well, people screaming. It's kind of an unpleasant thing to hear.

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>>32480084
I cannot find a picture of him where he does not look like a gigantic cunt.

>>32479155
Gaiman likes wraeththu though

>>32480080
Well, looks like I didn't miss out on that. I enjoyed the magician's guild series, but when I read the pitch for that one it really seemed like basically the same story in a slightly different setting.

>>32480124
I think Rothfuss is good at world building, but he wasted the narrative on a total Sue. The books would be much better from, say, Denna's perspective.

>>32479166
Agreed. I couldn't stand Adam though.

>>32479155
Oh fuck me yes.

>>32480130

Seriously, flagrant fucking false advertising on that one.

>>32480124

The worst isn't the books - it's the general reception to them as the GREATEST OH MY GOD ITS SOO GOOOOD.

Sure, it's just a flavour-of-the-month kinda gushing, but some seriously good authors have let their names be associated with praising Rothfuss - and the man may write some nice prose, but his story is immature wank that I wouldn't wipe my ass with.

>>32480128
Richard is so deluded that he can't even comprehend the idea of himself doing something wrong. Calling him out on his actions is the quickest way to make him hate you.

>>32480088
This is probably the most polarizing book I haven't read yet. Someone either says it's the absolutely best work of fantasy since Tolkien or that it's garbage. I think I'm just going to wait for the last book in the trilogy to come out and marathon them, just to know what the fuck the big deal is.

>>32479166
>good omens
you're my nigger

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>Hey kids! It's totally okay for me to fuck you.

>>32480173

There was a Kraken, and there were those weird Kraken cultists that kind of turned into squid at the end.

>>32480155
It's still not a bad series if you're just there for an interesting story and you like the mechanics of how magic/gods work in different settings, which I do. I was just left fairly unsatisfied by the ending and the moment when Leiard is revealed to actually be Mirar.

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>>32480141
[fedora tipping intensifies]

What about having S.M. Stirling as a DM?

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>>32480071
Rothbard is by no means a guy whose entire words are taken as verbatim truth by most libertarians, dude. He just says some stuff they often happen to agree with -- but a lot of it they don't.

Not many favor a free market on children, and nearly none of the anti-libertarian people who cite Rothbard in that respect bring up that he was talking about -- paid adoption -- which is hardly a heretical concept.

His ideas were pertinent to libertarianism, but he was in no way a libertarian himself (just like Ayn Rand, who threw a temper tantrum about libertarianism). Doubt me? Rothbard was in favor of committing the ultimate libertarian sin -- giving money to poor people, the negative income tax. $6k a year to all the destitute peoples of the country, which was a lot at the time.

> They're monsters.

Yes, I know that fanatical political pundits tend to think all who differ from them politically are pure evil. This doesn't reinforce your position though -- it just demonstrates that you are ignorant and lack perspective.

>>32480149
Just looked it up. Aside from being obvious wank-bait for people into weird sex they seem okay.

>>32480200
Jesus Christ, if that guy offered me a lollipop to get in his van, I'd probably do it just to see what happens.

>>32480113
I really don't understand the boner people have for his books. I had to slog through Perdido st Station, and the copout of the bird-guy's crime was just fucking shit. Rape is the most terrible crime in their society because of the theft of choice? Really?

>>32480241
Especially since murder is also the theft of choice.

>>32480238

Fun fact: it would involve dragon dildos.

>>32480232
It's really not, dude. It really is not. You dig just a bit deeper and find a fucking wellspring of horrible shit.

>>32480269
That sounds like a fantastic, mystical adventure, and I'm pretty sure I want that, no matter my age.

>>32480260
Exactly! The moment he started going on about choice being their major social constraint I was like 'Okay, what I bet happened is he was forced to eat an egg to avoid starving in the desert or something. There will be a confrontation with the mother, something like that'. Instead, there's a rather average confession and inexplicable anger from the engineer guy.

>>32480241

It's not the most terrible. It's referred to as "Third-degree" which implies a couple more levels up.

The issue was that Issac had just been dragged face first through the sewers of New Crobuzon and been exposed to what the city he lived comfortably in was actually all about Then seen his girlfriend after she was brutally violated by Motley whereupon she was immediately violated again by the slake moth.

So he's somewhat primed to be sensitive about issues of being complicit in crimes and rape, and that's when it's sprung on him.

Tolkien. That old fart would probably hate my dark elf vampire that fights against her father, Sauron, because he is the authority. btw, she is also a futa catgirl.

On a more serious note; I would probably not enjoy Tolkien as a GM too much because I figure he would be pretty anal about the way you roleplay in his magical realm.

>>32480241
>the copout of the bird-guy's crime was just fucking shit.
That's the joke. They're basically libertarians who take "theft of choice", personal autonomy, as their overriding commandment instead of just MY PROPERTY RIGHTS. China does not thing very much of them.

>>32480229

Rothbard also thought that parents should be free to let their children starve to death if they didn't feel like feeding them.

Also paid adoption is a terrible fucking idea, sorry to say.

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>Jim, I gotta say this campaign is fantastic!
>great to hear, anon
>but...
>what's the matter?
>we actually kind of like that NPC of yours, can you stop making shitty things happen to him all the time
>....
>pfffttahahahaha

>>32480189
Basically speaking, the foundations are great: The world is nice and varied, the magic quite intriguing and his prose is super enjoyable. It's just that the story he tells with it and the protagonist he uses is basically on the level of a 15-year-old's wankfantasy.

>>32480332
>Also paid adoption is a terrible fucking idea, sorry to say.
It's one of those things that could, in theory, under very specific circumstances, be good.

You know, much like libertarianism. It just happens to catch fire and explode violently when exposed to humanity and/or recorded history.

>>32480063
>He's not good, but he's obnoxiously good and moral by the standards of his people.

Which has -literally nothing- to do with why he's an outcast from them. He's a pariah for, you know, betraying all he knew and love for revenge -- and he's an expert in using up everyone who believes in him.

Not to mention the book points out that Elric certainly had nothing against the torture parties he passed by.

>Moorcock was far more Law vs Chaos as cosmic forces, too, not LAW = GOOD CHAOS = EVIL.

Nobody disputed that for a second.

>His race and homeland totally fucking deserved it.

Yep all dem women and children sure had it coming to them.

And my point was that Drizz't and Elric differ especially on account of that while Drizz't is a traitor for his conscience, Elric is a traitor for reasons utterly unrelated to his conscience. Plus, I'm sure Melniboneans have -some- concept of remorse, otherwise nobody would try to guilt him, for, you know, dooming them.

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>>32480317
Tolkien was a master world builder. We all here, or at least most of us, seem to enjoy building world in our heads for the joy of it. He was a master worldsmith.

Sadly his narratives were a bit dry. Pic related. A bit dry.

If he built the setting but somebody else DM'd it all would be well.

>>32480200
>But about membership in an anti-pedophelia [sic] organization—I do oppose pedophilia, but don’t belong to any such outfit. In fact I correspond with some pedophiles in prison

This is actual quote from Piers Anthony.

>>32480332

>Rothbard also thought that parents should be free to let their children starve to death if they didn't feel like feeding them.

Nice. And not something espoused by most libertarians.

>Also paid adoption is a terrible fucking idea, sorry to say.

Sure, but you don't consider it terrible enough to think it stands on its own as a bad enough idea -- you describe it as a "market for children" knowing that people who haven't read wtf he was talking about will envision pedo Wal-mart, not compensation for adoption.

>>32480241
Expecially after, you know, the couple of times Yagharek saved Isaac & co.'s sorry asses, and indirectly the entire city.

>>32480090
Designing a situation around justifying playing out your murderous fantasies does not excuse playing out your murderous fantasies. And the line about moral clarity is just so, so mockable. Not only is he killing unarmed people, he's being super self righteous while doing it. it's laughable.

>>32480361
Also, >>32479737

>>32480378

That selection is from one of his books. The line about talking to pedophiles in prison was from an interview with the man himself.

Both are bad, but one is worse.

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Stanislaw Lem. (I know he's considered a sci-fi author, but a lot of his stories are basically fantasy). Flip a coin it'd either be the best campaign ever or the worst.

"Those days have pulverized and exploded all narrative conventions that had previously been used in literature. The unfathomable futility of human life under the sway of mass murder cannot be conveyed by literary techniques in which individuals or small groups of persons form the core of the narrative."

>Worst that guy author
>Not Stephanie Meyer running NWOD

>>32480341
>just finished Skin Game
>Dresden and Murphy still haven't boned
Jim why

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>>32480393
The book was dedicated to a paedophile and IIRC some of his works have had guest afterwords written by his paedophile friends about the importance of "love."

>>32479738
>mistborn
Consider stopping after the first book.

>>32480411
to be fair, it seems fairly inevitable at this point. Even if it inevitably won't last long

John Ringo.
Do I even need to explain why?

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>>32480393
Yes, one is marketed towards young adults.

>>32480418
Jesus, you lucky bastard. I dragged myself through all three books. IT NEVER GETS GOOD.

>>32480372

That's kind of the point for me. By the end of the book, Issac is left with no good options. He can betray his friend or he can betray his mind- and body- raped lover. He can run or he can die. Tangling with the powers that be in New Crobuzon have utterly ruined him.

>>32479935
Goat Simulator DLC now

>>32480434
He's not the worst Baen author. He's not even the worst Baen author whose written books with John Ringo's name on the cover.

>Kratman
>REJUVENATE THE AGED REMNANTS OF THE SS
>OF COURSE BRAVE ISRAELI SOLDIERS WILL BE HAPPY TO JOIN THEM AND UPHOLD THEIR TRADITIONS
>NOT RACIST

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That's a nice setting with some great characters you've got there

Shame if something were to...happen.. to it

>>32479653
>>32480090
Do you dumbasses not know what strawmen are?

>>32480454
John Ringo is shit and obsessed with Cruxshadows and writing about raping young girls, but at least he's not a literal neo-nazi.

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>>32480434
Oh, sorry, I didn't read fantasy.

Herbie Brennan. The Faerie War Chronicles is one of those trainwrecks that must be seen to be believed. You think it's a joke,but then you realize the joke is on you.

>>32478933
>There are people in this very thread who don't understand the implications of the name "sword of truth" and that as a device it makes the world confirm to the beliefs of the one who holds it so that they're always right (regardless of hypocrisy) and that the series as a whole is the greatest parody of fantasy-literature-as-philosophical-mouthpiece of all time which is why it espouses Ayn Rand's own brand of thought and portrays it as flawlessly, objectively correct (disregarding hypocrisy present within the work) because in the minds of many she's the greatest offender

>>32480476
That's some nice death of the author, but unfortunately he's gonna have to contradict you, liberal scum.

>>32480469
Are you implying guys on /pol/ write novels? Oh god...

>>32480454
That sounds like it's made to make some conspiracy theorist heads explode.

>>32480485
>It was never explained directly to me in simple terms so it can't be true

>>32480469
>not a literal neo-nazi.

Well yeah, that would get in his way of fetishising eastern european women.

>>32480491
Writing long, rambling screeds occasionally disguised as fiction is the oldest /pol/ tradition.

>>32480424
That's horrible. Building that up over FIFTEEN NOVELS and then having it end badly. I suppose there's always the fanon that the most important thing the Winter Knight has to do is the Winter Lady.

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>>32480513
Damn it anon, I was almost able to forget that I was made to read this shit in school. And then you had to bring it up again.

>>32480491

Pick any psychotic garbage post from pol, correct the spelling, replace racial slurs with made up words. That's Terry Goodkind.

>>32480491
Jesus christ, you think Ringo is a /pol/ novelist? You need to check out some Enemies Foreign & Domestic, to begin with. There's a whole genre that makes Ringo look like a communist.

>>32480536
>I was made to read this in school
Was the lesson "how not to write: a dissection of a terrible libertard"?

>>32480491
>>32480491
/pol/ has exactly the sort of focus required to write pages and pages of horrific bullshit, exactly the warped worldview that makes it impossible to sell that shit except as 'fiction' to protect themselves from the ramifications of actually believing the shit they believe, and are exactly too crazy and obsessive to write anything but schlock.

So yeah, /pol/ is responsible for a LOT of the dumber, more morally reprehensible vanity-published shit on book shelves. Because it's an avenue where they can express all of their terrible views as long as they pretend it's 'fiction'.

>>32479791
She constructed a philosophy that justifies selfishness so you don't need to feel guilty about being a horrible person, of course she has a following.

>>32480497
>the author literally contradicts it at every turn but still, I'm right and fuck you sheeple, this is deep and meaningful satire and not actually horrible fiction written by a horrible person

>>32480467

Oh god, fuck you for reminding me about those books.

>>32480372
God I raged so fucking much at that point. Fat fuck doesn't even confront him, he just leaves an half-assed goodbye letter reading:
"some woman I've never seen before and for all I know could just be a crazy ex trying to ruin your life said you raped her, so I decided to just believe her and abandon you. BTW thanks for the monies".

>>32480546
>So yeah, /pol/ is responsible for a LOT of the dumber, more morally reprehensible vanity-published shit on book shelves.
Bracken's a freeper, freep deserves a lot of the blame.

>>32480550
Yeah that's right, no one should ever have to look after themselves. I just wished we lived in the world where we had some kind of system that could fairly and look after and protect everyone everywhere all the time so no one earns too much or too little regardless of what they do or don't do

>>32480574
>poor and unlucky people should lay down in the street and die, and their relatives should compete to be the lowest bidder to clean their bodies from the privately-owned roads

>>32480437
Do you means "it was somewhat passable at the start but ended up a clusterfuck of rotten shit" ?

>>32480574
>maybe if I use sarcasm no one will notice my false dichotomy

>>32480594
Basically, yes.

>>32480567
Well, yeah, fair enough

Some of these guys are way too lazy to pay for someone to publish their shit.

Thank god there are places that will print any fucking drivel. We wouldn't want to slight these guys by suggesting they should PAY to expose us to this shit.

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>>32480543
>unintended consequences

>>32480574
Nobody is saying you shouldn't look after yourself, but Ayn Rand's idea is that other people are at best a stepping stone and at worst obstacles to remove. It's like 'Baby's First Sociopathic Tendencies'.

>>32480601
I totally share your feeling and in my head the books 2 and 3 never existed.

>>32480574
Nice false dichotomy, bro.

The ideal is that people are free to pursue advancement. It turns out that if you let people accumulate power willy-nilly, one of the first things the guys with power do is make it harder for others to accumulate power. That's true of military power, it's true of financial power, it's true of anything that advances you over other human beings.

Keeping the system as free as possible, paradoxically, requires occasionally limiting what people can DO with it.

>>32480613
Yeah. Ringo is at least occasionally entertaining while being terrible, like watching a trainwreck involving a wagon full of clowns.

Unintended Consequences is just...urgh. If you were to transplant it into the middle east and slightly change the motivation then the protagonist would be indistinguishable from a hardcore jihadist.

>>32480467
Please Forgotten Relms is the bicycle of fantasy authors everywhere

>>32480608
Y'all nigga should read Yurope : the american invasion.

That's some real /pol/itterature there.

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>You all die for no reason
>You nearly die but luckily something happens and saves you!

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>>32480418
yeah i plan on just reading the first for now, someone else recommended the same thing when i started. by the time i get through the rest of my readlist i'll probably be ready to pick up the rest of the trilogy. i just don't like leaving stories unfinished, even if they aren't good.

>>32480544
No, it was by the economics teacher. Keep in mind, this school system didn't have sex ed, our history ext books hailed McCarthy as a hero, and we have a whole "environmental science" where the entire textbook is basically a advertisement pamphlet for fracking and nuclear power. I wish I was kidding. Fucking Georgia.

>>32480648
>Dick
>Wolfe
>Lem
>Leckie
You're doing good. Keep doing that.

Leviathan Wakes is kinda fun too, if you liked Dead Space and don't mind protagonists who make terrible decisions.

>>32479460

God damn it, everything in this book series straddles the line between detailed realism and magical realm.

Its a good thing we have a lot of the same fetishes

>>32479769
Hey, give the Malloreon some credit.

Even the characters notice they're in a rehash. And they abuse that shit.

>>32480658
Enki Bilal was right all along I guess.

>>32479667
>The Clintons show up in his books

wat. Elaborate

>>32480687
As villains to be butchered, naturally. I'm surprised he doesn't have his noble original character do not steal trying to avenge their brutal murder of vince foster.

>>32480076
You know, here's a torture device, can't remember it's name, that consists of a large copper ball, with a fire under it. You put someone inside and cook them alive, and their dying screams are fed through a series of pipes, eventually coming out as organ music.

>>32480687
The main antagonists of the fifth book are a clumsy parody of Hillary and Bill Clinton as stereotypical evil obstructive politicians.they die of AIDS

>>32479779


*dusts off skirt and puts hands on hips*

Burn me!

>>32480643
Christ she's so awful at writing, and the world she's built is such piss.

>>32478933

>Authors
Great at constructing carefully crafted stories, in a vaccum which they control

>DMs
Great at rolling with the punches and coming up with stuff on the fly.


My answer to this it probably "Who ever the best author is... is the person I'd rather NOT have as a DM the most."

That's my blanket statement and probably not always true, but I'm going to say 80% of the time it's true.

>>32479724
The story is stolen 1:1 from Star Wars, which stole it from every heroic epic

>>32480709

This one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull

>>32480542
Ok let me give it a try.

>Pick any psychotic garbage post from pol

"How about Americans start worshipping at the Washington Monument? Washington could be deified as some kind of Masonic Sol Invictus, and D.C. could be made a holy state that would ban non-citizens. Fascist world hegemony when?"

>correct the spelling

"How about Americans start worshipping at the Washington Monument? Washington could be deified as some kind of Masonic Sol Invictus, and D.C. could be made a holy state that would ban non-citizens. Fascist world hegemony when?"

>replace racial slurs with made up words.

"How about Americans start worshipping at the Washington Monument? Washington could be deified as some kind of Masonic Sol Invictus, and D.C. could be made a holy state that would ban non-citizens. Fascist world hegemony when?"

This is Terry Goodkind.

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>>32480351
I like to think of Tolkien and Moorcock as the A and Z of fantasy, respectively, with most other authors being somewhere in the middle. Both anarchists, both brits, one specifically hated on the doctrine of total war and one has the most insufferably cliche British person attitude on Murika. One's delightful with settings and languages, one's delightful with metaphysics and characterization. Tolkien's setting is the guilty pleasure fantasy writers love to use for inspiration, but we all know which CHARACTER fantasy writers like to, uh, borrow from...

Of course, this isn't to say that there couldn't be writers corresponding to letters beyond Z. HPL is probably the Yuzz or Jogg of fantasy, because he's a prime contributor to D&D (for starters!) but nowadays people perceive an ironclad difference between fantasy and scifi.

Tolkien and HPL's "settings" had more in common than one might think, though...

>‘We fought far under the living earth, where time is not counted. Ever he clutched me, and ever I hewed him, till at last he fled into dark tunnels. They were not made by Durin’s folk, Gimli son of Glóin. Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day. In that despair my enemy was my only hope, and I pursued him, clutching at his heel. Thus he brought me back at last to the secret ways of Khazad-dûm: too well he knew them all. Ever up now we went, until we came to the Endless Stair.’

>>32480189
>>32480342
Yeah, it's basically the epic fantasy equivalent of twilight. Generally better prose, I suppose, but total wank fantasy mary sue writing of the worse kind, lacking any real plot structure, meandering like some massively overlong fanfic. The trouble is, a lot of people really enjoy reading mary sue stuff, and aren't well read enough to realise how awful it is. Some people just have terribly low standards.

>>32480770
Yeah, I could see him creating a fantasy counterpart to the Washington Monument as an object of worship.

>>32480738
star wars was an homage

>>32478933
I want to play a Black Crudsade game with ADB as the GM.

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>>32478933

Franz Kafka.

>Oh...well you see you now all Die in a bizzare yet strangely arbitrary twist of fate in the most ironic fassion
>GOD DAMN IT FRANZ WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR SHIT
>Oh...m terribly sorry. I'll go kill myself now then.

John Steakley.

The first third of the campaign would be fucking amazing, but then we'd segue into boring bullshit.

>>32480770
Lemme do another.

>Pick any psychotic garbage post from pol

"Hi OP.

"Libertarians are simply useful idiots for the oligarchs and multinational corporations. That's all they are and that's the philosophy of their stupid ideology.

"Anyhow, the 'decadence of capitalism' is a fitting term. What we see in the US isn't capitalism, but a corporatocracy, an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.

"I wouldn't say that capitalism as an economic system is necessarily harmful, it's when capitalism is abused and exploited by powerful and wealthy elites to subjugate mankind and practically enslaving entire populations, including Americans into 20-30+ year mortgages which is the problem.

"I don't know much about Cultural Marxism though, isn't that just a translating economic Marxism into the cultural and social spheres?"

>correct the spelling
>replace racial slurs with made up words.
Skipping these two because post size and technically they would just be pasting the post again because nothing would change.

This is Terry Goodkind.

>>32480800
To be fair, the Washington Monument is literally a giant obelisk.

>>32480839
>meet fair damsel at an information age faire
>she wishes to partake of my seed
>exchange carrier pigeons
>she friend requests me on Bayeux tapestry
>turns out her last name is Elfschilde

This is Terry Goodkind.

>>32480113

Every word he writes just drips with pretension. I can't go more than a couple of pages of his shit without wanting to bomb a Starbucks.

>>32480922
Fantasy used as a hamfisted equivalent of modern life? Yeah pretty much

What about Harry Turtledove? Every campaign is just some ridiculously well researched historical period, but with orcs.

>>32480189
Basicly what >>32480342

Said. Kovthe is the Mary sue to end all mary sues. Hes got good poise and world building, he really crafts a vivid world but its just bogged down in so much bullshit.

>Chapters that are 1 page long
>chapters that are upwards of 15 pages long and serve no function to further the story or characters and are just sort of there to wank about.
>unbelievable amount of exposition and needless, needless descriptions of things.
>cant foreshadow for shit.

its honestly not even terrible but f your willing to look past alot of its faults you'll have a great time with them.

>>32480968
>tfw you're probably the only one who thinks Stars and Stripes Forever is worse than Guns of the South

>>32480938

Isn't that what he'd want you to do?

>>32480626
It's pretty funny/depressing to think he planned it as a nine book long trilogy of trilogies and it already went to shit by the second book.

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Am I the only person who wishes Lord Dunsany could be their GM?

>>32481028
The fuck would you do with the other six books?

>>32481062
Use them as blunt weapons?

>>32481028
The inbetweener he wrote (Alloy of Law) turned out to be pretty good again, though.

But then again I didn't really mind parts two and three very much either, so there's that.

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>>32480968

>>32481062
I'm pretty sure the idea was to keep the world continuus, but have major timeskips between each trilogy. The second one would be set some time during our modern-times analogue, the last one sci-fi, I think.

He already wrote a teaser that was set in an early industrialisation age, and that turned out pretty well.

>>32481055
No.

>>32479310
Your taste a shit. Have you even read any of those authors?

>>32480141
>Read this
>Look at the mistborn series
>Can't stop laughing

>>32479769
I wasted so much time as a teen reading Edding's horrible books, until they got to the point where they retrieved the McGuffin they had been hunting for all this time, and then just continued drifting around aimlessly. That's the point where I realized Eddings writing mostly revolves around stalling for time.

>>32481126
Apparently, my GM of one game I did noked that I had the book of wonder in my room when from back when I did a MAID oneshot, so he actually had The Gladsome Beast as a monster. It was lovely.

>>32480765
Ah yes, that must be what I thinking of.

>>32480664
>Protagonists that make terrible decisions.
Did somebody say Robin Hobb?

>>32481152
The Belgariad and the Malorean seemed like:

>Shit happens, better head off on a trip
>We're camping and talking
>We're camping and talking
>We're camping and talking
>Hey we arrived somewhere, and something moderately interesting happened
>We're camping and talking
>We're camping and talking
>We're camping and talking
>Climax!

>>32480658
Nuclear power isn't necessarily a bad Idea, it just can't be trusted to corporate ownership and lowest bidder maintenance.

>>32481198
I think there are better alternatives period, but yes, or at least use Thorium for fuck's sake.

>>32481198
Nuclear power is crazy corrupt. I'm going to laugh when China has a reactor blow up on them because of that.

Well, not really laugh, but shake my head and mutter "told ya".

>>32480141
He may not have a fedora, but he definitely has a fedaura.

>>32480721
Y-y-you wool headed sheepherder! ARGH, women's circle!

>>32481246

I'd be less worried about them losing a reactor, and more about what sort of bullshit might go down with the Three Gorges Dam in the future.

>>32479617
First book is good, albeit straying a bit to far into Terry's magical realm. Book two is alright up until the end. Book three is alright too.

Book four is where it starts to go downhill. After that, there's little to salvage and it's pretty much just Terry masturbating to pictures of Ayn Rand onto the page.

>>32479779
>>32480721
>>32481252

Fuck all of you.

>>32481246
That basically already happened in Japan.

>>32481196
Yeah, pretty much. Also characters occasionally revealing that they have superpowers like shapeshifting and such, that then never really play into the story since Eddings probably forgot about them in favour of fifty more pages of the characters aimlessly wandering around for no real reason.

>>32481198

Oh come on, please, can we not start this? We've done so fucking well so far! Every time we've edged close to the sort of territory that would normally make me stare at the computer, cry, and then fight the urge to punch the wall, we've avoided it in the best possible way.

> terry goodkind gets brought up
> ayn rand gets brought up
> "oh fuck this shit", I think, waiting for the inevitable libertarian champions to appear
> everyone just agrees that objectivism is all a bullshit stew of selfishness and economy fetishism and would never work in the real world
> FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED

> birdguy in Perdido St. Station
> oh shit, time for an argument about rape
> get ready for a bunch of internet white knights fighting with a bunch of MRAs and infinite accusations of "misogynist and "tumblrshit"
> nope, people talk about the plot and characters of the story!
FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED

> piers anthony brought up
> "What a fucking pedophile"
FAITH IN HUMANITY RESTORED WITH FLYING COLOURS

so god fucking help me, if in the time it has taken me to write this post an argument about nuclear power has sprung up, I will be so fucking mad. This is one of the best threads I have ever seen on /tg/, even the people I disagree with are being civil and intelligent, and it has totally made my night. I sound mad, but really I just hope that this doesn't go away.

anyway, yeah... authors and shit.

>>32480049
>You be
>>32480071
>I be
Your urban-americanness is showing.

>>32480141
If any quote is worthy of a dismissive [tips fedora], it is that one.

>>32481246
To be totally fair, what would you rather have ? Hydroelectricity is the best, but you can't flood every valley, solar is either monstrously polluting (for solar panels) or restricted to deserts (solar-heat). Wind may be good but it's unreliable and abysmally low efficiency, and everything requiring burning shit is either polluting as hell or expensive.

Nuclear power isn't bad, as far as you have excellent safety and maintenance (which the japanese didn't have because free market yay).

>>32481400
Are you really bitching about grammar in reference to an accusation of trolling and in a reply to an accusation of trollign?

>>32481350
Don't worry, at least before your actual post and me writing this, there seems to be a basic consensus, and it isn't getting pissy.
Bu, yes, this is an epic thread.

>>32481446
Yea, in the medium term it's probably our best bet until we come up with something truly sustainable. Once they get thorium breeders off the ground, our uranium stores should last us a few centuries longer than what coal and gas we got left. Less damage to the environment, too.

>>32481446
In fairness, safety and maintenance standards were also complicated by that whole 'earthquake + tsunami' business.

Of course, I DO live in a vast evil desert so solar is the most convenient although yes the production of solar panels does contribute to pollution which is obviously not ideal but if their lifespan is long enough they can theoretically make up for that by generating enough energy to pay it back, so to speak.

>>32481304
The ridiculous thing is that reactor was both out of date and under maintained, it still got through an earthquake and would have been just fine if it hadn't been immediately followed up by a tidal wave.

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>>32480968
>Players are Panzer tank crew
>Shoot reptilians
>Trade ginger for alien tech
>Betray SS
>Rescue Jews
>Try not to get nuked by everyone

Implying that wouldn't be an awesome campaign

>>32478933
I'm shocked no one's mentioned Laurell K Hamilton yet (maybe she's not fantasy enough). First couple books are about Anita, a monster hunter in St Louis that the local vampire lord has the hots for. By the fifth or sixth book, she's fucking werewolves, werelions, werepanthers, vampires and something else. Dammit LKH, I came here for detective/cop noir in a WoD-esque setting, not your furry porn.

>>32480839
>"Libertarians are simply useful idiots for the oligarchs and multinational corporations. That's all they are and that's the philosophy of their stupid ideology.
>"Anyhow, the 'decadence of capitalism' is a fitting term. What we see in the US isn't capitalism, but a corporatocracy, an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.
>"I wouldn't say that capitalism as an economic system is necessarily harmful, it's when capitalism is abused and exploited by powerful and wealthy elites to subjugate mankind and practically enslaving entire populations, including Americans into 20-30+ year mortgages which is the problem.
>implying all of that isn't true

>>32479910

Source isn't Krugman?

Ian Watson, in a Dark Heresy game.

>"You must now inspect the Genestealer's anus."
>W-what? Why!?
>"Inspect the Genestealer's anus clasp!"
>No, I won't inspect the asshole of a fucking Xeno!
>"Okay".
>"A strange guy comes out of nowhere and mindrapes you. You inspect the Genestealer's Anus, and you're going to like it."