>>32693636
>refugees seeking asylum
Have them fill out Form I-589, with the proper documentation and filing fee. They are to then file a Form I-765 and Form I-730. If their I-589 is accepted and authorized, then they will receive a notification of such and they will then be allowed to file a Form I-485.

At all stages of the asylum process, they must provide the required documentation and supporting evidence.

>>32693636
>thanks to series of extremely bad rolls.
NO! Bad OP! You don't allow for such thing to happen. Rolls are not there to dictate outcome of such important matter.

> What now?
- World is now Apocalypse
- Somebody approaches players
- Offers them the possibility to ravel in time, one-way-ticket only, in hope to save the world
- They land in a place they don't recognize and have to learn whom to talk out of some experiment/assassinate, or something - whatever started that whole circcuss.

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>>32693636
What are the demons like?

Are they willing to integrate into human society and become productive citizens?

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>>32693731
Sir, this young girl with the horns just vomited boiling ants with veins of magma onto the page, and is weeping pitch.

Sir we need the laminated forms.

>>32693753
But the result of these rolls are fucking awesome. Demons are seeking political and survival asylum on earth? Like who the fuck saw that coming.

>>32693753
Bullshit. There are success and failure states in any game, and rolls decide whether the party will achieve the success state or the failure state.

ANYWAY, not to derail the thread, I'd say first work on stopping the portal before Satan starts annexing territory/sending out elite forces to track down the refugees. Naturally, this will result in conflicts with the demons, at least until their hellish families are free.

Then it becomes a political matter.

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>>32693841
>But the result of these rolls are fucking awesome.
If it leaves you puzzled, without an idea how to move the story any further, then no, it's not awesome.

>>32693860
>Bullshit.
No, u.

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>>32693868
>If it leaves you puzzled, without an idea how to move the story any further, then no, it's not awesome.

But it is awesome. You get to stop the session and let the players mull and panic and come up with FANTASTIC ideas. A good GM and good players allow the occasional chaos of the dice to change fate and leave everyone scrambling to deal with a new problem, that being HELL HAS REFUGEES and oh man did that imp just steal my slurpee it totally did, fucker

>>32693815
>laminated forms
That's Form I-589a, then. As a minor, she'll also need someone to fill out Section 8f for her. And make sure that it gets notarized.

And make sure that when their Form I-485a is accepted, that they don't miss their appointment as specified in the ACS Biometrics and Metametrics Appointment Notice.

So, Sweden doesn't change a bit then? Those daemons will be well cared for at the people's expense.

>>32693905
This is exactly the time to stop a game early, too. Your players are imagining you ended at a perfect climax, when the entire situation just got changed. They have no idea that you just pulled something out of your ass because you have no idea what to do with this and desperately need to ask /tg/ for advice.

>>32693868
Get your neurotic control-freak ass out of here, dude.

OP, are you a player or the GM?

>>32693905
>But it is awesome.
I get it - it's awesome as a story, something you'll describe in numerous threads to come & stuff.

Still, it's a game. The game you'll have an obligation to finish as its GM (I assume). And its awesomeness stays in the road.

So. My claim stands. Outcome of such crucial elements can't depend of dice.

>>32693952
No, u.

>>32693868
Maybe free-form role-play is more your speed, then.
Some people don't like what you like, and OP and the people responding to them are those people. Maybe you should leave.

>>32693907
It appears that Ancient Corrupted Latin is her only language, Sir. As far as I can tell, her parents are Giamlaacim the Bloody Dragon, and Anisiju the Whore Queen of the Gate. Both are currently prisoners in Cocytus, leaving her a ward of the state.

Sir we may need form I-920b for this. Also please pass me medical request form I-276, my leg is scarred by the vomit and the ants appear to be nesting in my bones.

>>32693958
> Maybe you should leave.
I'm the ONLY guy here, who gave some reasonable solution to the problem.

Keep that in mind, and: no, u.

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>>32693956
>Outcome of such crucial elements can't depend of dice.

If you're a weaksauce GM with no creative potential, sure, you should just keep everything safe and predetermined.

>>32693956
OK. Except that they can, and do, for many people besides yourself. If you can't hack it, fine, go play your way.

>>32693981
>>32694001
Interesting projection, poor reading comprehension.

As for now, I'm the only one who suggested some solution. You sperg and derail the thread by focusing on my humble person instead of on the task at hand.

So: no, u.

>>32693636

>Sweden
>immigrants are demons

Snälla Sverigedemokrat gå

>>32693978
"Introduce time travel!" is not a reasonable solution to any problem outside of a game where you were basically planning to run a time travel themed game all along and wanted to give the players a lead-in without the time travel elements to make them seem more surprising.

>>32694070
>"Introduce time travel!" is not a reasonable solution to any problem
I'm proud to use the words used against me ITT:

> If you're not creative enough
> Except that they can, and do, for many people besides yourself.
> If you're a weaksauce GM with no creative potential, sure, you should just keep everything safe and predetermined.
> Some people don't like what you like,

And finally:

> Maybe you should leave.

>>32693978
Your solutions are shit, terrible, and should be rejected out of hand for being cliche and mind-numbingly dull.

Better solutions would be:
Government of Sweden trying to grant asylum and setting up camps for the demons to inhabit until they can be integrated.
Governments of USA, Russia, China, and others trying to get demons to seek asylum in their nations so that they can take advantage of the demons' magic.
Occult groups from around the world trying to stabilize/close the portal, engaging in open warfare against each other as well as government troops.

Demons have to fill out immigration forms in order to get asylum status, comment that the immigration process is almost as bad as Hell.

>>32694117
->
>>32694101
+ It took me mere seconds to suggest something, while you all had in store was some low sperging, over someone's style of GMing.

So: No, u.

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>>32694022
Yo smallfry, dress up your words all you like and sling out no u's all day, doesn't change the fact that you don't got the chops to adapt to a total change in a game because of some dice rolls at a critical moment, demanding improvisation and creativity.

>>32694070
There is a chance now, though. They could petition the Demon Prince of Time or something for a mass ritual to somehow solve the issue (or make it even worse). Or heck, they could petition HEAVEN to intervene on grounds that this is a celestial matter and is clearly violating corporeal laws and treaties.

That or go full District 9 on the fucker, except with more chaos and gross legions of sad refugee demons than you can shake a succubus' fat tail at.

Vatican totally gonna sanction the fuck out of Sweden.

>>32693636
The demons spread throughout Sweden before the government can erect a military cordon and start individually causing all sorts of trouble, sometimes because of malevolence but sometimes just because of unfamiliarity with this world and its rules. Chaos reigns in Scandinavia for a bit, but weird and wacky chaos, not apocalyptic death and destruction.

The government eventually manage to dam the influx at its source, creating a long queue of demons who've already escaped into our world but are held up at customs undergoing bureaucratic claptrap while the pundits and politicians argue about their right to remain.

A steady trickle escape further abroad and go into deep hiding or pose as humans, some working their way into sensitive positions.

The authorities of Hell notice the missing population and diplomatic pressure and/or the threat of invasion is brought to bear on mortal authorities for the return of those demons still held up in Sweden. Meanwhile, hunters are dispatched to track down the escapees, without consulting anyone on Earth. Because they're not trying to hide, the hunters are much more cavalier about death and destruction than the fleeing demons.

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>>32693636
>modern day occult game set in Sweden
You're running Kult, aren't you.

>>32694138
>demanding improvisation and creativity.
-> >>32694136
+ If mere seconds are enough for me to come up with a plan, then fret not, after a few minutes I'd come up with something even better.

So: No, u.

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>So begins the ultimate and final test of Sweden's absolute declaration of national neutrality.

>>32694138
Everyone stop arguing with him and he'll go away or at least stop sperging out.

>>32694136
Except my suggestion of bringing in the immigration service came in before yours.
>>32693731

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>>32694149
>Because they're not trying to hide, the hunters are much more cavalier about death and destruction than the fleeing demons.

>And that's when they meet modern day artillery and amazing innovations such as 'armor piercing rounds'

>Turns out shit is different than it was like back in 2000 BC with bronze swords.

>>32694174
Those Swedish, up in their mountains with their neutrality and clocks and chocolate.

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>>32694209
And demons. So many demons. An abundance- no, a CORNUCOPIA of demons.

And they're eating all the chocolate.

>>32694101
>>32694138
Time travel is basically one step above "it was all just a dream" in terms of copouts. It also eliminates the feeling that there are any other consequences in the game - as soon as you add in the ability to un-fuck the situation, there's no real tension.

I like the idea of Heaven getting involved, though. Hell, don't even worry about petitioning them - give your players some time to come up with solutions, involving working with their authorities, and just when everything seems settled, Angels in business suits with briefcases and very stern expressions.

>>32694117
And then, the Christian charities and Missionaries get involved. Theologians have a field day as they attempt to work out the ethics of converting demons.

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>>32694230
>humans arguing with angels that they have resolved the situation in a political and satisfactory manner with all forms filled and filed and all refugees relocated

>humans telling angels that no, they will not accept another relocation of their new citizens much less their genocide, this is against the UN and they WILL be held accountable for any violations

>Pope is just shittin' like 70 bricks on the throne

>>32694230
>Angels in business suits with briefcases and very stern expressions.
Wait, I think there's a very big issue we forgot about: Sweden is a member of the EU.
Becoming a Swedish citizen means becoming a citizen of the EU. The EU Council, and France, Germany, and UK are going to get heavily involved in this.

>>32694138
>petition HEAVEN to intervene on grounds that this is a celestial matter and is clearly violating corporeal laws and treaties.

The demons are all fairly human, personable creatures in an oily kind of way, but turns out angels are all wheels of fire and six-winged hundred-eyed pillars of light with absolutely no concepts of subtlety or collateral damage.

>>32693753
You don't ignore failure states
You plan recoverable failure states

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>>32694279
Well then while this is resolved it's OFF TO THE INTERMENT CAMPS WITH YOU

I'm sorry you have a metaphysical dependence on temperatures exceeding 200 celsius, please fill out medical form I-944c to request assistance for this issue, thank you NEXT

>>32694265
The demons bring with them a completely new market as well as marketable skills (magic) that can be used to revitalize the EU economy and make Europe the world leader in magic-related industries and markets.

No way would Germany let the Heavenly Host interfere with the acquisition of greater revenue.

>>32694325
Shhh, he'll start talking again.

>>32693636

Fuck off! We're full!

>>32694279
Demons have come out of Hell seeking Asylum on Earth.
Pretty much every nation with a large Judeo-Christian populace is going to get involved. Or at least be watching closely.

>>32694265
The Angels, eventually give up and start taking up residence in Sweden, to keep an eye on the Demons.

>>32694339
>yes we know the magics involve petitions to the Dark Lord and need blood to work

>because of the evacuation however petitions now simply go to company names for their dread power, and the blood can be anything, the whole virgin human thing was started by some splinter group of sex maniac succubi back in like 47,000 BC

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>>32694367
>The Angels, eventually give up and start taking up residence in Sweden, to keep an eye on the Demons.

>Literally
>Fucking Seraphim in the sky all staring down with six big ass eyes
>Bloody Ofanim doing the same all over the place
>Christ Almighty and I don't mean that ironically
>Fuckin' voyeurs

>>32694339
Every major city in Europe acquires a poorly-integrated immigrant demon population, a new openly magical section of the economy and a seedy supernatural underbelly. Angels are officious rulebound snobs constantly sending delegation and agents from heaven to stick their noses in.

>>32694406
>Seraphim in the sky all staring down with six big ass eyes
>cited for not filing a flight plan with Nordic Unified Air Traffic Control
>the Heavenly Host receives notices of fines, Seraphim now must explain their expenses to their supervisor

I want to play in this campaign.

>>32694453
>>32694406
I'd find it extremely amusing if the demons, despite monstrous bodies, were extremely human in mindset, just with a radically different and monstrous culture and history, while angels were incomprehensible eldritch beings.

Imagine a line of demons being slowly fed through a bureaucratic immigration checkpoint, all the while both man and monstrous flick frightened glances at the burning figures in the sky staring down at them unblinkingly, inscrutably, constantly.

>>32694453
>And then they get plagued by Frogs and Locusts.
>The fine is still of course paid.

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>>32694453
>"Amondias, Cherub of the Voice, wielder of the songflame of the dream-mother, why is there a bill for 20,000 euros for orders of 'the finest chocolates of Sweden'?"

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>>32693959
Can we just move the kid to a separate room and give her coloring book or something? This is really holding up the line.

>>32693636
This already happened to sweden, they now serve the nigger demons

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>>32694559
She's been mollified by the coffee machine and by giving her a hat to wear. She finds the thing bloody fascinating and wants to 'help' and make everyone some to drink. The upside is that she has apparently made coffee blacker than the night that infuses people with demonic might.

The downside is that Margaret just snapped her desk in two, but at least it got the swarm of hivemind pigs to shut up and pay attention so they could give a snout-print.

>>32694504
To make matters more complicated, this is in Scandinavia, which features some pretty anti-christian groups.

The first time some Satanic Black Metal fanboy tries to burn a church nearby and an Angel spots it, it's going to be a goddamned shit storm.

And that's assuming someone like that doesn't just go after the Angels directly.

>>32694506
>always with the fucking frogs
>you even LOOK at one cross and they just glare right back and somehow vomit frogs on you

>>32693914
Nah, demon refugees versus the fundie refugees.

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>>32694645
>black metal bands sued heavily for defamation of demonic peoples and dangerous assumptions as to their power and intentions

>here is an interview with a recently naturalized EU citizen, who prefers to go by 'Paul', with more on the topic

>>32694682
>fundies setting up massive camps, swarming in from around the world to either convert to Satan (which is who the demons are ESCAPING from) or try to slay/convert them
>Swedish officials having to deport and beat the shit out of hyperzealous illegal fundies all the damn time

>>32694497

I'm with you anon.

>>32694715

Satan just some kind of asshole dictator of a third-world country?

Shit, maybe Hell just needs a revolution, or an invasion so we can bring them "democracy". This of course leads to the predictable outcome of further complicating the situation.

>>32694645
>Metalhead takes a swing at a winged 10-meter high pillar of fire.
>Obliterated on the subatomic level.
>Seraph gets charged with manslaughter for disproportionate self-defense.
>Players assigned to arrest and bring in angel for trial.

>>32694757
I don't think trade sanctions and embargo on hell will complicate things THAT much.

>>32693753
>>32693868
>>32693956
>>32694022
Perhaps you should not play a game where the outcomes of actions are decided by dice if you feel this way. Maybe a game of checkers would be more your speed.

>>32694757
I imagine Hell is more like the Soviet Union. Stockholm ends up like pre-unification Berlin, with an interdimensional portal instead of a wall.

>Angels move in unearthly, beautiful patterns
>Sing melodies beyond the range of human hearing at all times, induces sleepiness
>If you fall asleep too close to one, you dream of divine skyscraper sized beings of fire and light speaking to you, but can never remember the words when you awake
>Angels never interact with mortals unless they are either threatened by demons (at which point the demon is atomized), keeping the worst of them in line, or when any symbol of god is threatened... though they only react to some symbols, implying falsities in church doctrine that causes huge arguments in the faith
>Taking the name of god in vain has fallen out of fashion, due to how disturbing it is to have a twenty foot tall revolving wheel of eyes floating behind you when you do it
>Angels never respond to communication unless the communicator is being threatened or compassionate

Eldritch, incomprehensible good guys, yay

>>32694757
>The demon refuges testify that there are rivers and seas of oil within Hell
>Within a month, the US has declared that they have evidence of Satan having Weapons of Mass Destruction and order a full-scale invasion of Hell
>Angels and Demons alike shit bricks because this completely fucks up the established End of Days plan that has been in place for aeons

>>32694802
Sirs you are screwing with our fun Semi-Apocalyptic Setting thread. Please shut the fuck up.

>>32694856
I was attempting to reprimand the first dude but I did not realize he had shut up so I apologize.

>>32694757
Nah, Hell has long since broken down into petty warlords and factionalism. Lucifer's position as being in charge didn't survive his loss in the War of Heaven. While he still maintains some power, he's ultimately only one of numerous political powers in Hell.

>>32694916
>Satan is just the name of whoever the head honcho is at any given time.
>Lucifer is a deposed Satan.
>Guess who the first refugee out the door is.

>>32694912
It's cool.

>>32694851
>Occasionally they "sing" along with other people, sometimes they are choirs, sometimes concertos and purportedly once a drinking song.
>So far it's only humans. The Demons really don't want to risk getting their attention.

>>32694795
The black market trade would be booming, though. Earthly luxuries, chocolates, booze, clothes not made of human hair, in exchange for damned occult tomes, caged "helper" imps and other exotics.

>>32694941
Satan is a traditional title for a ruler, everyone trying to be in control calls themselves Satan in an attempt to legitimize their claims. To make matters even more confusing, its a not uncommon last name.

>>32694977
So what happens when Demons try out online video games?

Question - how do Islamic practices and beliefs interact with this setting. Are jinn running around?

>>32695029
It's pretty much exactly the same. Mute your headsets.

>>32695029
Really bad role-playing and obvious trolls.

>>32695038
Jinn traditionally live on earth already, so I guess it'd be the same as it was before. Maybe with the preponderance of the supernatural they start creeping out of the woodwork more.

>The First Demon is baptised in a Lutheran church in a small town.
>The holy water burns the symbol into her forehead, the church looks into alternative liquids for future converts. Sulpheric Acid or Oil is suggested.
>While there were Angels attending the ceremony, none could be reached for comment.

>>32694209
>>32694174
....that's Switzerland

>>32695164
>that'sthejoke.exe

>>32694941
>hitler has become a rather large leader in hell,and now wants out again for revenge with legions of old guard original ss and new converts gathered from the eternal damned hordes.

>>32695260
I haven't read everything, but are you qouting from the french comic Requiem?

>>32695293
no,I just got inspired by the supernatural ww2 ideas from the vap thread.

>>32694028
Nej.

>>32695260
>Demons with swashitka armbands and shaved heads stomping around the place smashing windows and throwing rocks
>Think demons are the new "superior race", disapprove of intermingling with mortals

>>32695260
Now THAT'S a thought. Imagine brought in by the EU to try and covertly destabilize the government of Hell to make sure that fucker doesn't get another bite at making a Reich.

>>32693636
>turns out all those demons are refugees seeking asylum because hell is like Somalia except much worse
Make them fight the muslim rapist immigrants for housing in gladiatorial combat.

Except the tournament never ends, if you win you just have to fight more people.

>>32695293
Hitler is used as a nuke in that comic and before that he was held in stasis.

>>32695260
also
>stalin has too,and when hitler comes out stalin is hot on his heels causing a clusterfuck of archaic ww2/occult style conflicts.

>>32695336
You dont happen to have a rar with all issues somewhere, do you?

>>32695260
I doubt that would work, Hitler's forces would be vastly outnumbered by dead Red Army soldiers down there. Comrade Satan will be having none of that nonsense.

>>32694022
>Poor reading comprehension

Do you know what that phrase means? It's how much you understand what you're reading. They perfectly understood that you don't like the randomness of dice rolls in determining outcomes. It's just that simple.

Individual attacks and skill checks and crits over time determine an outcome, and if the dice fail you consistently all night, then that's randomness (or "fate" in the case of a story) determining an outcome.

If you don't like leaving a story up to the dice, but still like tabletop, then you have very few options left to you.

>>32693981
Some of these are railroading

>>32693981
and others are railroading

>>32693981
did I mention railroading?

So it's not poor reading comprehension. It's us assuming. Assuming that you don't like things that are out of your control or creatively coming up with solutions as players and a GM on both sides of the table. Also that you're a faggot. We're assuming that, too.

>>32695359
who says he hasn't used goebbels to mas convert demons into nazisim in >>32695324
style.

>These demons pretty much look like eldritch beasts in humanoid form; Multiple mouths, eyes, overall strange anatomy.
>The world literally has no idea how to handle this random influx of demons for about 3 days before Sweden gets its shit together.
>By the time all the demons in Sweden are all penned up in Lapland, District 9 style.
>Norway has already been given a healthy dose of demon refugees who escaped Sweden.
>A large amount also settled in Finland, others went from there to Russia.

This has serious potential.

>>32695421
I smell a new walmart apocalypse.
WE MUST DO IT.

>>32694619
Would the demons act like the sand niggers? Would they all live in the south because all the living space is there and it's the only place where it can get at least hot in the summers. Where the norrlanders just cry about there being niggers when it's rare that they see if they didn't leave their shitstain of a county?

Inheritance law gets really confusing when several demons come out claiming to be the souls of dead humans returned to corporeal form and seeking to regain legal ownership of their estates. These include several monarchs of European powers. Small movements have begun rallying support for their claims, but by and large EU law is that your rights to property, titles etc ended at death and thus they have no claim to it.

>>32695357
I do not. I deleted it all. As a matter of fact, I think the comic has little to offer besided gorgerous art. Ask on /co/, they are gay for all things French.

>>32694647
>The french rejoice and all go to sweden for their summer vacations. The frog leg industry booms in sweden.
>Germany cries because the demons didn't move to them instead and give them all those monies.

>>32694772
>Angels start trying to oppress and kill the innocent demons
>Demons empower the Swedish metalheads to defend them, since metal is satanic
>It's now up to the army of super-powered Swedish metalheads and their lightning-shooting guitars to save the world from an army of Ophanim who don't care about collateral damage
OP, you know what must be done.
Make your campaign metal as fuck.

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>>32695390
>>32695359
>implying that they haven't been at it from as soon as they were both down there nonstop and thats one of the big things the demons are fleeing from
of course il duce is still fucking up the nazis plans though and since rommel repented and went to heaven hitler is out his best general.

>>32695545

The whole "bad angels, nice demons" thing is a bit too easy. Like, I'd prefer a few awful demons, a few nice angels, but for the main focus to be the people. Like, portray some of the metalhead like weird obsessive groupies, have some metalheads convert to the side of the angels because we've got some metal angels.

Guys, how do we deal with the fact that hell is basically one big prison and nobody enjoys it, not even satan and his followers?

Cause that shit always get pushed aside when people slap the name satan on what is apparently supposed to be generic evil spirits.

>>32695448

>Unsurprisingly, the Russian government doesn't handle their newest citizens.
>A few bad apples join neo-Nazi movements, some others form demon supremacist militias.
>Immigration through Norway gets out of hand, government can't quite grasp these stragglers.
>Some reach Denmark, and from there even fewer reach Germany.
>Impossibly, a large amount of demons are found in Iceland.
>Turns out, there's a second portal.

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As long as I can get a QT succubus waifu im cool with the refugees

>>32695595
Morally grey demons/angels works. And of course, there'll be the metalheads who go mad with power because they like black/thrash metal.

>>32694433
Soo... John Constantine?

>>32693636
>thanks to series of extremely bad rolls. Despite careful planing and excelent teamwork I add. Still pissed about those rolls.
If your planning and teamwork were excellent and careful enough, they would be able to endure a couple bad rolls.

>>32695595
>>32695622
And of course, some nutjobs become crazy cultists and start sacrificing people to the more dickish demons, and since the dickish demons protect the cultists from mortal weaponry, it's up to the Metalheads to use the glorious power of rock to defeat them.

>>32694513
>Not even the angels and god himself can tell Sweden and Switzerland apart.

>>32695601
Hell isn't a prison. It is paradise.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."

It is just horribly mismanaged by millenia of administrators stuck in the bronze age.

>>32693868
>If it leaves you puzzled, without an idea how to move the story any further
OP isn't the DM or the only player. It's fine if one person doesn't know how to move the game forward when there's several others to pick up the slack.

>>32694686
>First I would like to say that we in no way endorse or condone the acts of violence and vandalism conducted by these so called 'demon worshippers'.

>>32695601

Well, we flesh out infernal politics and so on more. Make a distinction between the inmates and the prison guards, so to speak.

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>>32694433
>Eventually the angels start asking for humans to back them up
>Clerics and paladins begin popping up, smiting evil and healing those wounded by the more unruly demons
>This divine healing and blessing begins to creep into and combat the demonic magic being used in the black market

Feels holy man

>>32695615
>>32695569
>stalin trys a coup for russia and hitler manages to get the nazidemons under him. all the while other old damned leader start trying to do the same.
>the world becomes one giant clusterfuck of every war ever 2 electric boogaloo the revenge of whoever was lost and damned.or at least trys to under the threat of mad, either way new cold war begins
that or maybe going a bit lighter on it and have that stuff as potential side quests or quests to sort the fuck out before shit gets real.

>>32695618

See now I want there to be a subplot of Succubi and Incubi moving in on the sex trade with their magic bullshit, creating huge waves in the vice markets.

>"Sasha, you don't bring me enough money!"
>"Please dont hit me, Pimpovitch - it's the new girl down the street. She's got eleven tits that leak opium. I can't compete with that!"

>>32694247
>Theologians have a field day as they attempt to work out the ethics of converting demons.
No they don't. It's entirely clear that, if you can do it, converting a demon is a good thing.

>>32695706
> Make a distinction between the inmates and the prison guards, so to speak.
I prefer that they are all inmates, some just appointed themselves the head of the prison gangs so to speak.
There aren't guards. Hell is massive penal colony.

Do like the idea that the biggest demons/worst mortals have basically become warlords and constantly fighting each other.

Also distinction between demons who were fallen angels and those who were damned souls?

>>32695769
but is it ethical?

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>>32695486
You can say that again.
But it was a really fun comic.

For the other anon: [rs] used to have it.

>>32695769
>there are now reformed demons as priest who work at christian schools
>young billy gets a life lesson from kindly GR'GLA'ATEE'KAEJI better known as Father Ronald about why violence is never the answer
>he goes home and thinks over a cup of coffee how nice it is to help young people

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>>32693636

Christ OP, this is a wonderful idea, one of you fuckers screencap this shit it's fucking gold.
10/10 thread, will read again.

>>32695601
This anon has read his Dante.
EVERYONE in hell would be trying to escape.

>>32695595
Honestly, I like the idea that the Angels are good, but are inhuman, lack free will, and are basically incomprehensible.

So less like people with wings more freaky good guy lovecraftian robots.

Demons make deals, attempt to immigrate, go on talk shows, the works.

Angels constantly watch over demonic affairs, ignore most attempts to communicate, replying seemingly at random with blaring blasts of light and intent, and do as they will and travel as they will without any attempt to interact. An angel might appear and save a girl from a car crash one day, then blast a corporate executive into ash another, without any real pattern.

Demons don't know angels any better than we do.

>>32695876
One thing though; Angels are universally hostile to those who try and pray to them.

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>>32695820
Your average Satanic Vampire fight.

>>32695844
>sharp divide between the 'penitent' demons who try to change and the 'resolute' who still think God is dick and they can do what they want.
>penitent subject to harassment and even honor killings by resolute.
>pundants argue about 'demonic culture'.

>>32695876
>>32695709
angels would probably the best control for shit like this getting out of hand,well too much out of hand.
still,they cant exactly kill demon hitler,he just end up back in hell and coming right back out the portal.

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>>32695908
And battles.

>>32695601
Easy: Milton. Better to rule in Hell etc etc.

>>32695421
>>32695615

>The world is freaking the fuck out.
>All world religions are flipping their shit, demons are being kidnapped from Lapland and their other tiny communities for research in order to discover which religion is "true".
>These demons have come in contact with primarily secular nations, but as their population grows they come into more and more conflict with zealots of all beliefs and isms.
>The UK becomes one of the most infamous for these confrontations, involving the first demon 'deaths'.
>They're dangerous explosions.
>Scandinavian nations have decided that integration was the best route, along with Russia.

I'm going to skip some years because I want to let out my creative juices for this world's future.

>Iceland becomes the first demonic republic.
>Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are pretty much terrorized by these Russian-bound demonic supremacist militias.
>Russia itself has began recruiting demons.
>Poland/Hungary/Czech/Etc are suffering through their first waves of demonic immigrants.
>Sweden, Norway, and partially Finland have been able to handle their demon occupants, living in small neighborhoods or the inner cities of major metropolitan areas.
>Some well-traveled hell raisers are supposedly teaming up with Islamist groups, though this could be anti-terror propaganda.
>The only demon in the western hemisphere is under America's custody, Guantanamo Bay.

>>32695874
I also remember that one comic (I think it was that one that depicted death as a gril) where satan was just the involuntary warden and he just wanted to take a break.

Breaking news! Local Man hires Succubus stripper for a birthday party, dies of an undiagnosed allergy to succubus perfume.

>>32695260
>he accepts a trial as a war criminal, is executed, and comes right back out from hell, having been duly tried and now free from double jeopardy.

>>32695898
Well yes, false idols are a bad thing.

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>meanwhile, in Finland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghe6LAXQ6Os

>>32695615
>Turns out, there's a second portal.
>it had been there for ages, the Icelandic people just never thought it was a big deal and everyone else called them superstitious whenever they mentioned it

>>32695968

>Pedophile discovered by shapechanging succubus
>Charges dropped because it turns out her legal age is twelve thousand, so it's not kiddy fiddling
>Leads to underground subculture of loli succubi and shota incubi stopping the nonces of Europe from going after actual kids

>>32695810
Of course.

>>32696048
i would have to say its a rather large grey area,this is also proving that it would actually happen considering were doing it right now.

>>32696045
>parliaments everywhere try to ban it because it's gross

>>32696063
How the fuck could it be remotely unethical?

>>32696103
>implying the Dutch, French, Germans... would even give a fuck

Not native to Europe I see.

>>32693636
>Demons from Hell exist
Get fucked polytheism.

>>32694174
>>32694209
>>32694226
Your thinking of the Swiss.

>>32696155
>Indians assure everyone that they're Asuras.

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>>32696155
>>32696155
What if it's Asura from Hindu mythology?
Or the Hell in question is from Norse mythology?

>>32695966
Sandman

>>32696125
not for the demons themselves,but for the church.is letting one who is proven damned thing that goes against all what the church represants in ok?

>>32695966
Dude, that's Neil Gaiman's Sandman. It's somewhat notable for its influence and quality. You're absolutely correct though, Lucifer did indeed just want to leave, so he gave Dream the key to the gates of hell, and sauntered off into his own spin off comic. The key was later auctioned off to whoever had the most noble(?) intent for it, and the whole affair definitely didn't end in shenanigans.

>>32696045
>Police recruiting succubi and incubi to find pedophiles by shapeshifting into kids

>>32696201
>>32696193
>Asura mind

So are the angels Deva?
And where are those 8 giant elephants? And that size changing bird dude?

>>32696256
I can not let this comment pass without adding that Lucifer, the comic, is fucking awesome and you guys should read it

>>32696235
>is letting one who is proven damned thing that goes against all what the church represants in ok
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 2 Corinthians 5:17
Then he [Christ] adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more." Hebrews 10:17
The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him; Daniel 9:9

Short answer: Yes. If they convert they're not damned any more.

>>32695820
/rs/ is dead

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>>32695949
For an image board, you've been posting few images lately guys.

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>>32696481
That sucks. When did that happen?

>>32696481
So is my son, but I don't pretend he never

I need a moment.

>>32693636
>Sweden
>Hell is like Somalia
Sluta gå till /pol/, Kalle.

>>32693636
negotiate that they stay as long as they run the swedish farms. that wsy they would reddult in a net gain for the country

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>>32696536
Hello there. That's a familiar face with the pitchfork.

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>>32696506
There's few images of a single Swedish mother who lost her child and husband in an accident nervously filling out the paperwork to adopt a little demon girl in need of a home as she questions concepts of faith and what the Hell she's doing with her life.

>>32696608
There's another to the left by the gargoil, and a third back by the flying saucer. They're just the same race.

>>32696608
Don't get too excited. He's just in that one panel.
The joke is his job is cleaning up demons.
It's also one panel part of a massive two page splat.

>>32696536
A few months to a year ago, I've forgotten. IIRC it was amidst that whole Mega and Pirate bay witchhunting by the US Gov.

>>32696625
That's not a Gargoyle Anon...

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>>32696653
What an ass. At least the Pirate Bay survived.

>>32696601

Yes, because hellspawn are renowned for their agricultural expertise.

>>32696659
Looks like one to me.

>>32696702
Well okay, but they're living guardian ones, kay?

>>32696700
as opposed to swedish farmers? anything is an improvement

>>32696700
You don't need expertise to work as a farmhand, just a willingness to do hard physical work and follow instructions.

>>32696700
>Damn it... okay, I still can't pronounce your name, so Imma call you Bjorn...
>back to the point, will you stop turning the entire forest into charcoal and evaporating the rivers!?
>b-but human boss.... I can't not do that...

>>32695955
>Turns out Guantanamo Bay is a wonderful place compared to Hell
>Giles the demon is having the time of his life
>Angels ruin it by destroying the place, on account of how horrific it is relative to human morals

>Meanwhile, irrational atheists everywhere try and fail to go on supernatural murder sprees, only to be atomised for their stupidity
>On a side note, no rational atheists exist anymore

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Fug sweden :DDDD

>>32696835
>He's the perfect model prisoner, and helpfully suggests torture ideas to his captors
>His attorney suggest they go political and get him freed, but he doesn't want to make trouble to the kind people that have been feeding him and giving him a home for years now

>>32696910

>He politely tells them whatever he thinks they want him to say
>Honestly, the waterboarding is kind of relaxing after an eternity of hellfire

>>32696970
>water is such an incredible concept to him it may as well be alcohol
>he requests multiple boardings and cold hosedowns

>>32696997

>"Wait, your rivers AREN'T made from scorpions?"
>"Wow, this place is AWESOME."

>>32696997
>they start giving him saunas instead
>taunt him with the vapor!

>>32697048
>still feels nice compared to the saunas of evaporated magma.

>>32696007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4seuBFxIM

>>32697105
Reminds me of this one cool icelandic folk (style) song sung by a woman. There's a vid of it and I think she does some growling at one point.
Shame I can't remember it...

>>32696562
Somalia är rätt så skit när man kollar på de flesta länder, sluta lyssna på Kajsa den konstant mensande femnasisten säger Joel.

Ja menar om man jämför med sverige så är Somalia rena helvetet. Ja menar fy fan vad vi har det bra när man tänker på det.

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>>32696791
Well at least they gotta grasp on slash-and-burn farming...

>>32697225
Don't know about that one.
How's this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD_TIrX7zu0

>>32697290
>that kid

Jesus that just made my heart sink right down into my boots and force me to open the Vodka bottle.

>>32697225
You're not talking about Eivor Pálsdóttir, are you? She's from the Faroe Islands, not Iceland.

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>>32697313
slap some horns on her and a few rune scars about her person and one crab arm and there you go, there's your title screen for Demon Refugee Hoedown 2014

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Dropped out of this thread for a few hours. What are we doing?

>>32697436
Drinking. Heavily. To cope with the horrors in the world.

>>32697436

Succubi are going undercover to stop pedophiles, when they aren't causing massive ripples in the local sex trade. Also, we were discussing one polite demon who sees Guantanemo as a luxury spa.

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World of Strength here we come. We'll sacrifice the son of heaven.

>>32697436
I don't get this.

>>32697525
sssscomic.com

>>32697436
umm, what is this image from?
and why all the awesome settings I don't have time to play?

>>32693636
Sweden becomes a shithole slightly faster.

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>>32697294
>"Hey, Gjallahorn. That sounds familiar... Oh yeah, it's that magic horn."
>Start song.
>"Wait a minute, this ain't icelandic..."
>Realize it's in finnish.
As a Finn who likes folk music, I feel uncultured as hell for not remembering this band.
>>32697313
Here's some more depressing realist imagery from 19th century for you then.

>>32697677
>Gjallahorn
>didn't immediately realize it's not Icelandic
Fuck's sake.

>>32697677
Eh, that does nothing to me. It's those haunting eyes of that girl.

You should be ashamed. I'm Dutch and I know this band. Next you'll tell me you forgot Nightwish was Finnish.

Haven't got more though... so how about my favourite GoT song rendition?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX0S7PhDpcA

Also, pour some vodka! Have a drink!
Demons will be pouring over your borders in no time with those incompetent Swedes and you know it. So best be drunk.

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>>32697613
Stay Still, Stay Silent. An ongoing webcomic about a post-apocalyptic Norrthern Europe.

>>32697720
Isn't Gjallarhorn the same word in all scandinavic languages? Seeing as it's a term from viking mythology.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4seuBFxIM
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnKIgccY09Q

>>32697776
Finnish is an entirely different language family altogether.

>>32697436
Those are pretty much the same as real life, aside from the Icelandic being chosen ones and the Danes not being in Denmark.

>>32697807
I like it!
Now to find a decent Fjord and some cliffs to drunkenly listen this song over.

>>32697842
Yes, but who was talking about that anyway?
You pseudo Hungarian- sorry, Magyar.
Why would the Gjallarhorn have a different name in Finnish anyway?

>>32697807
link fucked up, the first video was supposed to be this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPR56PXiLqY

>>32694149
>not death and destruction chaos, but weird and wacky chaos

So the demons are less destructive than the human immigrants. Meh, stinks too much of "MAN IS THE REAL MONSTER. BORDERS ARE A TOOL OF THE PATRIARCHY!"

>>32697720
Well Gjallahorn may not be Icelandic but it sure as hell ain't Finnish eather so there you go.

>>32697872
Maybe he meant that the lyrics were not in Finnish, contrary to his expectations, even though he recognized the title?

>>32697577
>sssscomic.com
>SS scandinavian supremacists comic.com

Has she delivered any of those mutant monsters already, or is it still just those kids messing around?

>>32697843
so wait, Finns are noted for having many mages and the Nords fight trolls in the real world?

>>32697956
It's like you've never visited anon.

>>32697956
Well, Norwegians are known for intermarrying with them more than fighting them these days, but yeah. Pretty much.

>>32697947
They're on a train to Mora, I think. Gonna rendezvous with the rest of the team. Progression has been slow, and the artist had to take a break for a week to go to a funeral in Finland.

>>32697956
Finland is a magical place.

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>>32697872
>Why would the Gjallarhorn have a different name in Finnish anyway?
For no reason. 1. Finland has a sweadish speaking population. 2. Finland has it's own seperate mythology that is not featured in Edda.

>>32697903
nice right wing rhetoric there.

Thinking of this setting more as a real game, and less just wacky fun, I see the demons causing problems, but largely out of misunderstandings, frustration, or similar stuff.

Sure some are outright evil, and some are assholes who want to fuck with people, but most demons hate those guys (so basically like any group of people). Most demons are just displaced, traumatized, and from a strange culture.

There is however, a lot of room for rational, well intentioned conflict within the demons and between demons and people, and lots of rooms for accidents, misunderstandings, and the sort of stupid conflicts that come up whenever you have interaction.

It would be a really fun setting, one I'd love to free form at some point

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>>32698019
I know right?

>>32698023
yes I remember this... Mst3k once spoofed a movie to do with Finnish mythology.
What was it called... the Kalevala, and then one of the main characters in that... A Finnish WWII warship was named after him...

>>32698019
You said that about India and I was attacked by a monkey.

>>32698090
A MAGICAL monkey anon. One of those from the Krishna stories who can talk, wasn't it?
You sound like you didn't enjoy it.

>>32698059

Yeah, anything mentioning Scandinavia, asylum seeking or immigration is unfortunately sure to bring in the /pol/... You're right though in that I think this set up is rife with dramatic potential - just look at how angry /pol/ gets at just the idea of it! - and would make a fun read.

>>32698059
>Sure some are outright evil, and some are assholes who want to fuck with people, but most demons hate those guys (so basically like any group of people).
Not the guy who you are replying to, but that sounds like bullshit. (And this is coming from a left winger.)
We are talking about creatures that are literally out from Hell. HELL as in the specific place of EVIL and torment.
You can hardly get more objectively evil than an actual demon...

>>32698090
I said it was magical, not that you wouldn't be attacked by monkeys. If it was good enough for Dorothy, it's good enough for you.

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>>32698167
who says there was torment down there

maybe they were forced into it by a might-makes-right mentality of the insane first fallen

maybe they were tormented themselves alongside the damned and sought escape

maybe hell has so MANY demons and damned now that most of them don't even do anything but slave for the royalty of the abyss

they might be prone to sin and darkness, or might just be as average and miserable as a human

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>>32697956
Yes?

>>32698267
I've seen these before, and they always came across as very ignorant of Scandinavian mythology, and historically revisionist...
Kind of poorly written too. Like how a 16 year old would write, with no flair, just a string of factual explanations.

>>32698313
Might be intentional, if this is the apocalypse and most history has been erased and muddled?

>>32698167
The premise was they were refuges seeking asylum.
You just another invasion of evil demons from hell, there are settings for that, but this isn't that one. We're starting from a premise here.

The way I'd handle it is that Hell is basically a penal colony, only no one is born there, everyone was sent there for something they did. So yes, everyone did something evil.

But people can change, people can have regrets. It's been a long time, and the ones who came through are those that suffered the most. Going from how the premise has been developed, the ones that came through were the lowly, the suffering, the gate was closed before (most of) the Warlords, petty tyrants, destroyers and bosses got through.

I'm the anon who suggested a divided between those who regret there sin and are trying to start fresh, and those who are still set in their ways. I think that's a good source of conflict.

>>32698313
author is Scandinavian, and in her early twenties.
So not a scholar, but it is local knowledge. Which makes sense. What would survive and spread wouldn't be a scholars knowledge, just a local laymen's knowledge distorted over time.

>>32698376
>>32698335

Well maybe the reason is she's trying to present it that way. It really doesn't come across like she's smart enough for that, and it's still really poorly informed.

>>32697720
The fuck you on about? A reference to Nordic myth in no way indicates something isn't Icelandic, quite the opposite, since Iceland is filled with fucking Nordic people, you cunt.

>>32697225
>>32697337
This, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpiFmZLICgM

>>32698376
>author is Scandinavian
Fenno-Scandinavian to be precise.

>>32698473
>This, right?
Oh god yes. Love that shit.

>>32698376
>author is Scandinavian

Never stoped anybody from being ignorant of scandinavian mythology

>>32698447
They make mention of it in the comic, that Iceland suppressed a lot of the knowledge of the old world and the core of the Finnish nation is basically a repurposed military base.

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Nothing good can come from scandinavians.

Nothing.

Are the demons looking for asylum or are they classic demons just willing to fuck shit up?

if they are just souls from a tormended dimensions looking for a more calm place and are willing to integrate society then I guess it would be something like Ugly Americans.

Ugly, Bizarre, hot demon chicks, functional overall..

My own theories are thus:
>Primary (1*) Angels are Angels made by G_d himself.
>Secondary (2*) Angels are human souls given the form and knowledge of Primary Angels. Have more freewill than the Primary.
G_d is a lot more about freewill and faith than anything else. He made rules not because he wanted us to follow them, but to see whether we would. He also doesn't explain shit since he wants people to believe in him through their own will.

The angels themselves are incomprehensible since they are composed of and thus understand things that mortal minds cannot.
Most Angels on Earth are 2* Angels since G_d loves to give orders and see whether the person follows them through.

People can also be enraptured by Angels which basically means that they feel the the immeasurable power of G_d attenuated through the Angel. As a rule, 2* Angels can channel less of this power than 1* Angels unless charged otherwise by G_d.
These enraptured are usually either devout or faithless and are given a duty by G_d, communicated through the Angel. It is rare to be enraptured by an Angel and not given a Duty, even rarer is it for the Angel you have been enraptured by to fuck off and not communicate with you in any way whatsoever.

Heaven and Hell and Earth were bound by a pact. That neither would intersect upon the other (Mostly as a Rule of God to allow people to decide whether to be good or evil without definitive proof of punishment/reward). Once Hell broke this Heaven broke it too as a way to keep the equilibrium (Angels on Earth opposing Demons on Earth).
Heaven and Hell (and their respective denizens) cannot under any circumstance intrude on the others territory.

>>32693860

>then it becomes a political matter.

truly the most hellish outcome

>>32698647
>Primary Demons are the Primary Angels that fell during the war in Heaven
>Secondary Demons are all the souls that currently reside in Hell
>Tertiary Demons are humans who have become Demons whilst still alive
If a human souls enters Hell it becomes a Secondary Demon since Hell was designed for eternal torture of everyone who entered it, and it only accepts those who deserve it.
(Except for those who reside in purgatory, they were too good to be allowed into Hell, but did enough UNREPENTANT Evil to be turned away from Heaven).

Lucifer was the first person who took control of Hell by crawling to the lowest level of Hell, digging a bit deeper, plugging the hole with his body and then gnawing on the living bones of secondary Demons that lived there. By cementing himself as the lowest of the low he was essentially able to control Hell by dictating his will to it. And for this he crowned himself Satan.

Of course, eventually other 1* Demons noticed this and waged war on Satan-Lucifer. He turned Hell against his enemies but was eventually defeated and deposed and another 1* Demon took his place and the title of Satan. He was called Satan-Beelzebub.
Only 1* Demons can become a Satan since they can be considered the lowest of the low by Hell itself.

(2/3)

>>32698647
>G_d

The fuck is wrong with you, just say God

>>32698660
Anyone can be enraptured by a Demon, but as you can expect, it goes slightly differently than that of an Angel.
First and foremost, it is called crafting a Pact, second, the human must initiate the pact, third, if the Pact is crafted with either party in any unwilling then the will of G_d himself will strike them both down.
If pacted by a 1* Demon then the pactee is basically a vessel for the Demon. He/She can do whatever they want, but if the Demon says do this then they can either choose to do so or have the choice taken from them. If the pactee dies before the Demon is banished back to Hell then they are considered basically an extension of the Demon they pacted with and lose their self and become a part of the Demon.
If pacted by a 2* Demon then they are able to channel the infernal energies of the Demon they pacted with. Though generally considered safer since the Pact can be revoked by either the pacted demon or pactee human if the human channels too much energy without letting it seep back to the pacted Demon then they will eventually become a 3* Demon.

3* Demons are basically 2* Demons except for the fact that when an Angel or someone enraptured by one comes into contact with them they feel sorrow without end, a mere fraction of a fraction of the Sorrow felt by G_d.

Hell itself is basically a prison created by God to hold the inevitable filth that would result from his creation until the day that they could be redeemed. This asylum Demon thing is NOT how G_d wanted this to turn out. But he'll take it as it comes.
Hell itself is sentient because it IS G_d himself. G_d is both the realms of Heaven and Hell. But because he crafted the realm of Hell instead of being born into it as Heaven he was created as Hell with some arbitrary laws of reality. This is what allowed Hell to change from a holding area for G_d's rejects to a place of endless torture. It is also what allowed Demons to escape it.

(3/3)

>>32698678
Yeah, if you're going to try and do a "I can't say his name because this is a setting where He is real" thing, just go for the Biblical LORD, or YHVH.

>>32698556
Yeeaaah... I'm just going to continue to stay away from this crap.
The whole "Scandinavia STRONK" vibe really fucks with me, having been to Sweden and Norway.
And I don't think just saying "they suppressed knowledge of it" really excuses excuses getting shit wrong.

>>32698660

Is purgatory like really boring?

I kinda call bullshit on Purgatory being bad, BUT not AS bad as Hell.

is Purgatory just being aware of non-existance and the dark, infinite void of death?

Or is it like a waiting room, with chairs that aren't so comfortable that you can relax in, but are good enough for when your legs get tired.

and there is no newspaper, no 90's magazines, you have no smartphone, and every time you humm or whistle, someone over the intercom tells you to shut up.

>>32698697
Tried to be edgy and just ended up cutting myself. Sorry about that.

>>32698447
She said she was inspired by an old treatise called 'A Description of the Northern Peoples,' written by a monk in the 16th century. It has stuff about flora and fauna, warfare, giants, history, customs, etc. A lot of it is also factually incorrect.

>>32698716
Purgatory is a nonsense unreal thing added by the catholics.

Regards, a PR firm for the Orthodox and the Jews.
Friendly reminder, don't eat leavened bread during communion kids!

>>32698716
It is complete stasis. No moving, no thinking, no nothing. People can be drawn out of Purgatory if you know that they are there. Mostly it involves waking them out of it (usually with the help of a Demon) so that Hell spits them back out as a spirit. These spirits can be anything since their souls still reside in Hell and the spirit on earth is basically a projection of their consciousness.

It was what God wanted Hell to be like in the first place. A place to store the people that went wrong until he could put them right. He fucked up in the creating of it since outside-context problems sprouted up.

>>32698772

I had a teacher who told us about American gods

>tfw no giant winged snake made of stone, blood and corn-God
>tfw no big, angry, mother-like Earth Goddess
>tfw no Demons that only require orgies and parties to be satisfied and keep miners and communities safe
>tfw no giant sloth god
>tfw no wind god equivalent to the emperor of manking
>tfw no God of Penis

those pre-columbians had it going good.

>>32698814
Heretic.
God only ever created Heaven and Hell. Bot of which were places to await the judgment day.
What are you, some sort of Catholic?

>>32698660
>>32698647
this is kinda similar to what I had, but I had no tertiary demons, because becoming a demon is something hell does to you. It's awful and no one who understand it would do it willingly.

So I just divide it into the Fallen (once an angel) and the Damned (once a human).

The rulers of Hell are the strongest of the Fallen, but the strongest of the Damned are stronger than the weakest fallen. So for the purposes of Earth it doesn't matter, because the gate was shut before the strongest fallen got through (the Gate basically opened into a massive slum of hell).

The Fallen have more in common with the damned than they do with Angels. Hell twists you terribly, whatever was once divine in them is long gone.

>>32698679
I'll be honest, I don't like this at all. IMHO it infringes on the whole 'refuge populous' angel.

>>32698814

wait, seriously? Like is this how the Bible explains it?

I've read 6th edition rulebook (mostly), and lord of the rings, but never the Bible. some actually tell me it has some really cool parts in it.

and I'm pretty open minded, I actually like learning about religions.

So basically God wanted to create the locker of davy jones until he found a way to cleanse souls? Was he not ALL-KNOWING and ALL MIGHTY?

isn't the stasis a punishment itself or is it an excuse or actually not being all knowing and all mighty?

>>32696835
It's because stupid cunts like you exist that stupid cunt atheist exist.
Kill yourself.

>>32698873
No he's talking about his setting.

>>32698890

man, fuck the settings

>>32698873
>So basically God wanted to create the locker of davy jones until he found a way to cleanse souls?

>this is what catholics actually believe

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>>32698865
One thing I do with the In Nomine setting that I love a lot is make a very clear divide between the Fallen (former angels who became demons) and the Hellborn (demons who came into existence AS demons, and have never known Heaven), creating an ever-greater rift between the 'old' and new generations, regardless of when they were formed or Fell, in that the Fallen generally have a very ill and static outlook that focuses on taking down Heaven.

Whereas the Hellborn, mostly, only know the misery of Hell and see earth as this awesome place to be, and care less for ancient vendetta and more for a good mai tai and a week at the beach where the sand DOESN'T set you on fire. Creating good tension between those who hate/destroy and want Apocalypse, and those who don't give a shit and rather postpone it forever.

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>>32698873
New Testament is boring Jesus-was-the-bestest-guy-ever bullshit while the Old Testament is trve kvlt brütality. Quaran is basicly the new testament but this time with nice poetry and Muhammad instead of Jesus. Also some fighting and shit but it's still quite tame compared to OT.

>>32698701
What a cunt you are.

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>>32698945

>Mfw my mom and dad agreed to never push me into religion
>neither of them are too religious
>mom is a protestant
>dad is catholic
>both thing church institutions are bullshit
>both tell me the biggest miracle out there is how far humanity has come
>mfw my parents are fucking awesome.

>>32698772
>and the Jews
What I recall of contemporary Jewish belief was that the only afterlife was Sheol, the metaphysical garbage heap of Jerusalem, where everyone goes, no matter what you did. In other words, a euphemism for faithlessness and belief in no afterlife at all, just worm feeding. What do they have to do with Christian beliefs descended from corrupted gnosticism and purging by Nicaean dickery, followed by further purging by the bishopric of Rome? Nothing. I am severely pooper peeved.

>>32698850
Orthodox are closer to the root than Catholics, and still heretics. The god of the world is mad and an imperfect emanation of an emanation of God. And God is an ever-distant twat who created infinite universes full of both suffering and relief to satisfy a selfish desire for exploration of self and other things.

>>32698873
The bible has a shit ton of plotholes

>>32699001
Could you tell me off in more detail?

>captcha: haternig this

Et tu, captcha?

>>32698956
I like that idea.

>>32699026
Jews Definitely have heaven.
You do know the old testament and the Koran are both stolen from the Tora?
They all have a heaven, and they all have a Satan figure, if not a definitive hell.

Besides, the hell of fire and Brimstone is all from Paradise Lost. Not even in Dante's time did they think of it that way.
Actually read La Divina Comedia.

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>>32699002

> both my parents of different religions
> Jewish mom
> Catholic dad
> yeah, they're both kind of disgusted by religious institutions
> never pushed religion on me either
> instead love to debate big ideas, philosophical concepts, and literature
> shit ain't euphoric in the least, we just don't give a fuck

My negroid compatriot.

>>32699026
>The god of the world is mad and an imperfect emanation of an emanation of God. And God is an ever-distant twat who created infinite universes full of both suffering and relief to satisfy a selfish desire for exploration of self and other things.

Now that is just not an official position of any of the Abrahamic faiths, and you know it.
Don't go adding your fanfic in a discussion on theology.

>>32699001
Seems the author frequents /tg/.

>>32694757
You should read the Sandman Slim books. Satan decides to make up with God and move back to Heaven, leaving some random dude as the new Dark Lord in his place. Thus begins the reign of Jimmy, the Nice Devil. There are also porn stars, magic, a small zombie invasion, and an actual magic girl who uses dark rituals to turn herself into a perma-loli. Its like the Dresden Files but more grimdark.

While we are talking about the residents of hell, I may as well tell my theologically surprising experience.
>Go to confirmation camp (lutheric) during the army because hey, a week off from all the bullshit.
>Talking about sin.
>Ask about the notion of killing (since we all were in the army) and other sinning.
>Priests tell me that since every person is tainted by the original sin, people are equally doomed to hell no matter "how many sins they have". Unless they repent and choose to accept Christ as their saviour of course.
>Well wouldn't that mean that I shouldn't give a fuck about wether or not I should live unsinfully?
>Priests answer yes in unison.
I still consider myself an agnostic atheist but damn, that one blew my fucking mind.

>>32699128
>"instead love to debate big ideas, philosophical concepts, and literature"
INB4 fedoras.

>>32699326
Now now anon, we do not inherit the fedoras of our fathers.

Just their sins.

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>>32699285
It always struck me as a gross, dangerous, and unsound idea.

But then I giggle to myself like an idiot at the idea of a crazed angel telling a sinner "ARA ARA, IT CAN'T BE HELPED"

>>32698956
I do like that tension, but I just go at it a slightly different way. For both Damned and Fallen there are the Penitent.
Basically those who go 'I fucked, and I'm so so sorry' (the damned all did something to deserve hell). For them Earth is a reprieve a chance to redeem themselves.

Then their are the Resolute, mainly Fallen who still fucking hate God, but also Damned who hate God too, or just anyone who is still proud of what they did. They feel that no one has the right to judge them. They have their pride, their freedom. They see Earth as what they deserve, or at least a step towards it (those who want to take heaven).

Their are others, Hedonists who don't care and are just happy the pain has stopped, etc. But they aren't as strong in their feelings.

A big question would be 'can Angels and/or the Fallen change, or are they still the same as what God and Hell made them?'.

>>32694138
So what's this image from? Image search is giving me bugger all.

>>32699404
Oh, I include that too in my settings. In Nomine allows for demons to Redeem and become angels -- either a homecoming for a Fallen, or something absolutely terrifying and all-powerful for a Hellborn, since they need to face the fact they're broken, and that redeeming might erase them entirely as they give up themselves to creation itself and reform their very soul.

As for damned souls, well, Hell exists for penitence... and demonic propaganda absolutely does NOT talk about those souls that simply seem to vanish after they make peace with their mistakes in life and their fate in Hell.

>>32699095
>old testament
Is not 'stolen,' it is effectively a translation of (much of?) the Torah, which is irrelevant anyways to any proper Christian doctrine. This is not especially relevant when the Talmud is the main body of Rabbinic literature.

>the Koran
Is an irrelevant mess and later development by an illegitimate warlord and false prophet, or if not false, the singular one to be sent to the gentile wildman and thus irrelevant to everyone else

>They all have a heaven
Judaism's afterlife of note is Sheol as far as I know, which is admittedly little. By all means, it appears as a metaphor for the ground. The Judaic god promises worldly glory and prosperity in return for blood and submission. The Islamic god does the same, with the addition of a bootleg Christian salvation-heaven.

>they all have a Satan figure
In different forms. The Jewish 'satan' is Samael, who is death and adversary, a hand of God who actively seeks to tempt and ruin mankind with God's full sanction. He does this out of unthinking hate, for it is his purpose and he has no will to do otherwise. The equivalent within Islam I do not know, only that their antichrist equivalent is 'one-eyed.' The Christian adversary figure, meanwhile, is the prince and god of the world. Handily, he can be identified as the creator of it, and hence as the Old Testament 'god.' The amalgamation of testaments into one volume is source to much confusion.

>>32699166
Who cares? The orthodoxies are incorrect, as are all doctrines, including this one. These alien consciousnesses care nothing for us in any way we can understand, in any way that is relevant. Not the benevolent or malevolent ones. And if they do care, then they are too psychotic and irrelevant in mindset and perspective of time and space. If they are not, then one should still prod them, because they act too little and too surgically or too widely, or else must maintain proper action and be reminded of such.

tl;dr divinities is of dicks

>>32699285
See, this is why you don't leave religion to the church.

All letter no spirit.

>>32699504
*tips fedora*

>>32699488
interesting.
I see this potential setting as somewhat different from In Nomine, but that game looks cool and would be good place for ideas.

Also, we're on autosage new thread?

>>32699504
>satan is a hebraic word

Samael is an angelic name. This and your ooc crap about religions and your CONSIDERABLE amount of biased, clearly opinion driven crap makes it very hard not to laugh at you.

Torah is still part of the canon of Jewish faith. So yes, it is relevant.
Translating a work and then using it as your own is stealing. What the fuck are you on about saying it's not?
Torah = Old testament. One of the most cited books of the bible for a lot of conservative christian crap is Deuteronomy, i.e. a book of the old testament.
So what the fuck do you mean, it's not relevant to Christian doctrine?

>These alien consciousnesses care nothing for us in any way we can understand, in any way that is relevant.

Fucking hell man, will you keep your fanfic out of serious discussion? I really hope you're referring to the setting in the thread and not theology when you're talking about this.

I'm not even religious, but you need to inform yourself better.

>>32699603
You sure we're autosaging? What's the bump limit?

>>32699737
Bump limit is 300, we're at 290. We're not autosaging.

>>32699595
It's not that gods aren't there. Of course they are. Everything and nothing is everywhere and nowhere, because everything exists conceptually, which means someone will put it into being (or else it will simply exist of its own accord) and thus they are. The problem is that all that are presently relevant or irrelevant to us are of no help, or their help is alien and distant and thus unworkable. And for those things that are perfect, and grand, and great, and all-saving, then their conceptual equivalent of all-damning malevolence also exists, so it's a wash.

>>32699652
>Samael is an angelic name
The name for the angel of death, Judge and Adversary. The severity of 'god.' He is vile, and tricks man into evil so that he may be punished for that which is not his fault, for he knew not what he did.

>Torah is still part of the canon of Jewish faith. So yes, it is relevant.
It is an archaic body, which has been followed by the Talmudic laws. The Torah is the root of these, but the Talmud is the body of endless Rabbinic debate and interpretation which gives it (arguably) substance.

>Translating a work and then using it as your own is stealing. What the fuck are you on about saying it's not?
It is not 'stealing,' it is a transplant and corruption of Christian doctrine, which was Gnostic and anti-worldly in character. It was not stolen; it was injected as a corruption.

>So what the fuck do you mean, it's not relevant to Christian doctrine?
Modern 'Christianity' has nothing to do with the doctrine of millenia-past antiworldly moralists with a focus towards salvation and exit of the world through heavenly wisdom, or else by the careful, loving guidance of a reborn messiah sent by God and his coterie. Neither does the Old Testament, the word of their anti-god. It is not relevant.

>I'm not even religious, but you need to inform yourself better.
Because not clinging onto orthodox thought and giving no unwarranted respect to it is equivalent to being uninformed.

>>32694686
>black metal bands sued heavily
Good riddance, Death Metal is where it is at.

>>32699737
oops, thought it was 250, but it's 300 isn't it. So we are close but not quite there.

On game note, I really really don't like giving out clear simplistic universal answers to complex questions in my games, which could be when dealing with angels and demons. So my idea for a solution is that despite the emergence, the answers still aren't there.

Angels (if we decide to have them), don't answer questions, or at least not clearly. I really like the idea of the angels (if present) being weird, and unrelatable, mainly observing and only interfering in seemingly near random cases. No answers there.

The damned don't know, and neither do the fallen (if present). My explaination (handwave/copout) is that Falling FUCK YOU UP. Body, mind and soul. Add in millenia of propaganda, lies, hated, dimentia, etc, and they don't have much in the way of clear answers either.
Yes there is a heaven, and a hell. Yes they did something to be sent to hell. Yes, hell really really sucks.
Everything else is a little foggy.

>>32699844
Shit bro. I grew up going to a southern babtist church and I don't think you have any real clue about modern christianity if you think it's not relevant.
Though it seems like you're discussing your own beliefs rather than talking about christianity from a neutral standpoint. Protip, there's no such thing as a "true" christianity.

>>32699915
The point is that modern Christianity is illegitimate, and that the Old Testament is illegitimate- the former because of the latter, the latter because of itself- therefore neither is relevant to anything approaching a proper doctrine, if there even is such a thing depending on one's standards. It would certainly not be pro-worldly and pro-creation in character, nor proclaim something that creates evil to be good.

>>32699844
>Because not clinging onto orthodox thought and giving no unwarranted respect to it is equivalent to being uninformed.

It's not about respect. It's about staying on topic.
This is like we're discussing D&D but you keep talking about the musical history of zimbabwe.
You want to be taken seriously, you argue the points presented, not your invented magical realm.

You want to think of god as an insane Minecraft player who keeps creating worlds without a second thought? Hey, cool for you. That's not the doctrine Billions upon billions of people follow in this here real life.

Transplanting and corrupting remains stealing. If I steal your books, if I use them as toilet paper, I still stole them and used them.

>Modern 'Christianity' has nothing to do with the doctrine of millenia-past antiworldly moralists with a focus towards salvation and exit of the world through heavenly wisdom,

Okay so you're discussing early chrisianity, like the coptics. Why? Who ever suggested we were talking about that to the exclusion of all else?

>>32700006
>Christianity is illegitimate, and that the Old Testament is illegitimate-

Judgments of value, not objective facts. You're talking out of your ass. One imaginary friend is no more legitimate than the next.

>>32699846
There wouldn't be DM without BM. You deserve to be repeatedly blast beaten.

>>32700006
I think you need to take your meds. Or just stop posting. We aren't here to discuss your delusions.

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>>32694279
Well this guy's going to have a field day.

>>32700006
So you proved my point, that you're arguing based on your own personal conception of what christianity is rather than discussing it in an academic manner.

>>32693636
Remove Devilcake.

>>32700043
>Thinking death metal didn't spring up around the same time and even a little bit before black metal
Oh god, are you one of those guys who doesn't really know anything about mid-late 80's metal but thinks they know about the origin of extreme metal genres?

>>32700007
>Why? Who ever suggested we were talking about that to the exclusion of all else?
Why, no one and nothing at all. The root was a quibbling about someone saying the Orthodox and the Jews don't believe in purgatory, when the latter don't seem to believe in any afterlife at all, with an aside about Orthodox AND Catholics both being dirty heretics. And some pseudognostic rambling. That started this escalating line of discussion.

>>32700035
Which falls to the problem of where objectivity lies, because it certainly does not in either arbitrary physicality or arbitrary (theoretical?) metaphysicality or the present establishment of manners of thought. Repetitive vomiting of orthodoxy does not a fact make, it only creates a repeating engine of assertions and value judgements which I am now making a value judgement against as being confused from several different engines amalgamated. It is valid. Or not.

>>32700066
I could, but I also could not. I wonder which one I'll do. Funny how making judgements against the orthodoxy is immediately a delusion, though.

>>32700173
I was not aware it was unacademic to make no judgements or conclusions whatsoever after considering the possibilities. What, pray, am I to do? To sit about, considering all of them, without establishing any bias? That's just silly.

>>32693636
That's an amazing plot twist OP.

Now the party needs to help deamons become accepted into society.

>>32700249
okay due to this fuckwad we ARE autosaging.
New thread?
Only this will be to discuss a particular fictional setting. so the ontology will depend on that fictional setting, so this fuckwad need not attend

>>32700249
You are a fucking nutter.
Case in point:

>I could, but I also could not. I wonder which one I'll do. Funny how making judgements against the orthodoxy is immediately a delusion, though.

"The orthodoxy"? What do you think this is, a conspiracy? We're just trying to make you follow the accepted methodology of academia. Even Theology has it's rules.
Objectivity starts at the very least by starting your position from accepted academic consensus, or no one is going to take your seriously.

>>32700249
No but if christianity is the topic and I start only discussing mennonite theology and claiming all others aren't actually christian then it is. Or if a person wanted to discuss the soviet union and I went on a rant about how only caledonia was truly socialist, forced the discussion to something else.

It's unacademic because it reeks of starting a discussion with an agenda or being unable to disentangle your emotions from your beliefs. For example saying that Thatcher was a cunt, going on and on about her personal character when folks just wanted to talk about how her rule affected the british economy decades down the line would be unacademic.

Basically the whole "I don't give a fuck about that, that's not the true christianity that I'm blessed to know of" when folks are trying to discuss general modern christianity makes you seem simple. Like the kind of guy who is unable to discuss a topic without autistically ranting about his own interests and ignoring any dissenting opinions with "I know the true christianity, fuck you."
Not saying you can't say those things. For example in a discussion on lineage, early christianity, doctrinal purity, etc. that would be far more important. But it's not relevant to the discussion.

>>32700361
Well, what are you waiting for to make one?

>>32700230
Sure, thrash metal was the main musical progenator but black metal brought the vocal style to death metal.
Both black- and death metal got popular at mid 80's but black existed allready at early 80's.

>>32700361
You seem upset, friend. The tail end had already been reached by the time this line started.

>>32700377
'The orthodoxy' is a convenient way to communicate and define a generality of more commonly accepted modes of belief. That's it. I am, in other words, making judgements against common beliefs, which, apparently, is delusional. Very interesting logic at work. And I know 'interesting' logic when I see it. And spout it.

>Objectivity starts at the very least by starting your position from accepted academic consensus, or no one is going to take your seriously.
In other words, it has nothing to do with facts or logic, only the number of voices shouting. Modernism in a nutshell.

>>32700408
>No but if christianity is the topic and I start only discussing mennonite theology and claiming all others aren't actually christian then it is. Or if a person wanted to discuss the soviet union and I went on a rant about how only caledonia was truly socialist, forced the discussion to something else.
This is a coherent point. I will not concede, but will recognize its potential legitimacy.

>For example saying that Thatcher was a cunt
Wasn't Thatcher kind of a cunt, though?

>Like the kind of guy who is unable to discuss a topic without autistically ranting about his own interests and ignoring any dissenting opinions with "I know the true christianity, fuck you."
I wonder who that entirely-hypothetical individual could be. Why, he sounds just swell to be around!

>Not saying you can't say those things. For example in a discussion on lineage, early christianity, doctrinal purity, etc. that would be far more important.
I will concede to it being a less-relevant tangent.

>But it's not relevant to the discussion.
Evidently it is on some level, since it became a mutual and continual argument.

Thanks for being more polite than 'muh delusion fugnutter fanfic,' though. And I'm not being cheeky, it is nice to see.

>>32700412
finding a good OP image. Never underestimate the importance of good starting image.