>>33096840
Is that Quintin the crusader?

>Over the past two decades fundamental Islamic groups have risen to power across the Middle East and North Africa, establishing a new United Islamic Caliphate.
So who got wiped out first, the Sunni or the Shia?

Also why no ottomans

>>33096840
What kind of retarded future-swords do they use?

>>33096902
The Turks have joined the EU by now and are as under as much of a thread from the UIC as the rest of Europe.

I reckon the Sunni have managed to overthrow the various Shia governments, however have allowed Shia individuals to continue practicing so long as they join the Jihad against the west. Though they are treated as second class citizens.

>>33096939
I reckon they would just use guns. Maybe their main battle rifle would be named after a sword or something.

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I was kind of hoping we make a setting out of this.

Wanna help me get shit done /tg/?

>>33097204
My history is rusty to nonexistant.

Wasn't there also a crusade made up of peasantry and whoever could pick up a weapon?

Shouldn't there also be a citizen's militia-crusade? People who want to join but the EU just doesn't have the material to equip them or something?

How does Israel enter the picture? Because if toy want to have another crusade, that might turn out to be important.

>>33097204
I'm all ears and eyes, brother, this idea is divine.

The best thing that can come out of this is all the fucking Abrahamics slaughtering eachother so the Pagans can come back.

Seriously, fuck Abrahamics.

>>33097330
/thread
Good job, asshole. From now on autosage it's just flamewars.

>>33097383
What did you expect in a thread about new Crusades?

>>33097330
Someone is butt hurt they lost

>>33097330
A war between Abrahamic "factions" would not wipe out Abrahamism, unless it resulted in a nuclear war so severe that blasted humanity itself back into the stone age, in which case everybody loses

>>33096840
On the one hand, I kind of love the idea.
On the other hand, I try to stay as far away from religious shit on the internet as possible, since it always draws out the extremists and the fedoras. So, good luck with your setting, OP.

>>33097204
Sounds fun, sure.

What brought about the new change of pace in the Western World? What is the Orthodox Church doing?

>>33096840
>paints a big red cross over your center mass in case they don't know where to shoot.

Longinus Drone: a reconnaissance UAV armed with Holy Lance armor penetration missiles.

>>33097512
I was just about to post something similiar to this.

Its too bad that medieval pagentry just doesn't work in modern warfare

>>33097552
I imagine a group like this would dress like any sane army on the battlefield, with proper camo and whatnot, and just have the red crosses as shoulder patches.

Though I can imagine how much confusion the whole thing causes when every wounded soldier thinks everyone is a medic.

>>33097268
The conflict is in a cold war state. No actual crusade has been declared but both sides are building up their militaries in preparation.

>>33097275
I'm not sure. Is there any way that the UIC could be attacking Israel in open warfare but the West and particularly the US hasn't interveined?

>>33097330
>>33097383
>>33097422
>>33097474
C'mon guys I really like this idea. Can we just embrace it in a spirit of fun? There was a big Jihad in the Shadowrun universe but we still enjoy that.

>>33097484
What do you mean by new change of pace in the western world?

Would the Orthodox church have the resources to sponsor a military force? So far as I know the Orthodox church isn't as centralized as the Catholic one.

>>33097512
>>33097552
I was hoping we could invoke willing suspension of disbelief on this one in much the same way we do for the brightly painted armour of Space Marines.

>>33097526
Yes.

>>33097690
>I'm not sure. Is there any way that the UIC could be attacking Israel in open warfare but the West and particularly the US hasn't interveined?
No.

>>33097690
Durendal : Main battle rifle of the Templars
Galahad: Main tank
Ascalon: Mobile Artillery
Charlemagne: Sounds like an Aircraft carrier name.

What about the terrorists? What would they be using?

Same as always. Any fucking thing they can get their hands on: Eggs, marmalade, japanese people, sand, DVDs.

>>33097814
>>33097858
I have an image in my head of hordes of Jihadis carrying Kalashnikovs.

Though maybe for more high level players you wind up fighting the elite troops of the UIC Caliph who are armed in a similar fashion to you with higher tech weapons and armour.

>>33097742
What if the UIC encompasses Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran and the Caliph threatens to cut off the oil supply if the U.S. tries to intervein on behalf of Israel?

>>33097690
Israel could be a proxy war for the EU. Strictly no nukes because 'no destroying the world' policy. Same thing as the 'Bay of Pigs' invasion but actually successful.

EU and US can be funneling soldiers, money and equipment to keep the war out of EU while the Crusade prepares itself, and an attempt to weaken any potential enemy.

>>33097981
If the Caliphate encompasses so many Middle Eastern nations, odds are they can also tap the vast reserves of money which means they could make up some bullshit excuse to seize that cash and divert it to making a fighting force just as equipped as the crusades. But while Crusaders may have more of a 'tank' design, soaking up enemy fire while slowly marching forward.

While the UIC armies could have similar tech but more emphasis on speed, and disappearing into the sands/unpopulated lands.

>>33097814
Assorted Assault rifles ranging from STG44s to SCAR-Hs Assorted rocket launchers from nork surplus RPG-2s to the latest RPG-29 'Leclerc is kill?'. A lovely bunch Toyota pickups with a large variety of vintage anti aircraft cannons, recoilless rifles and mortar tubes in the back. Literately ALL the T-55s.

>>33098095
What would be a good medieval middle eastern warrior to base the UIC elite troops on? Mamelukes? Jannisaries? I picture them in some sort of high tech lamellar armour.

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>>33098315
Muttawiah (spelling?) are the soldiers of the faith, but not the elite troops. Probably best not to go with mamelukes, janissaries, or ghulams because they were all slaves. Unless of course the Caliphate is cool with slavery.

Also, posting Catholic knights from the sci-fi miniature game Infinity.

I have a hard time imagining a situation here that won't end up with the Israelis nuking everything.

OP, what kind of stuff would Israel have/use?

>>33098095
OP said both terrorists and elite troops.

>>33098348
All sides have nukes and nuke defenses?

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>>33098383

>>33098356
Knowing the IDFs hardon for expensive, unproven experimental technology from a personal source (I have a friend who worker in logistics there. You won't believe the shit they're always planning to buy), a lot of nanotechnology and fancy aircraft.

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>>33098403

>>33098348
perhaps they expend them, and they simply had too few to meaningfully hurt the UIC, and in the process pissed the west off alot enough that the UIC were able to take them over.

>>33098315
Well the Quran basically forbids warriors to show pomp or decorations in war. So more likely some sort of stealth suit. If the tech is not available, then some really good camouflage.

They'll probably have both a gun and a melee weapon that doesn't impede movement. Most likely some UIC developed smg possibly with a punch dagger.

They're equipment would allow them to jump in, eliminate soldiers with close range fire, or a quick punch-stab then fade away.

>>33098348
Using one nuke could convince the other side to release their payload. The Earth can only take 100 nuclear detonations before it dies.

So more likely they agree not to destroy the world for the sake of not making their war pointless.

>>33098440
I think you're underestimating the ecological impacts firing off some 400 nukes at once would have on the region, even if they didn't vaporize every single Muslim. Half of Asia would become barely livable.

I don't think countries like Lebanon, Tunisia, and especially Israel would willingly join the Caliphate, but would probably be taken over anyway. Are they like client states or something?

>>33097275
Israel, within the context of a crusade, only exists to be slaughtered by the crusaders.

>>33098423
So self-repairing vehicles, augmented infantry, low orbit fighters, drone carrier airships and various bleeding-edge stuff like that?

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>>33098438
And the last one.

>>33098473
Lebanon and Tunisia seem very likely that they'd be either made into client states or absorbed with a puppet government in place.

As I said earlier, Isreal will most likely be the place of a proxy war between the Caliphate and Western Powers.

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>>33098444
You can have heavy armor without it being fancy and pompous.

>>33098473
>Israel
>taken over
Either still fighting (probably with international support) or completely wiped out. Even if they made a national 180o turn and decided to surrender, most of the people in the region would just thank them for the opportunity to slaughter them all without resistance. Peaceful coexistence between different ethno-religious groups in the Middle East, especially the Jews, has always been a pipe dream.

>>33098533
Yes but rather than try and buttheads with an armored enemy, I think the UIC would be more inclined to favor speed and a quick slash to the jugular.

>>33097690
>I was hoping we could invoke willing suspension of disbelief on this one in much the same way we do for the brightly painted armour of Space Marines.
Eeeeeeerh, no. Space Marines get a pass because they're 41st millennium super soldiers in tank level protection power armor. We're talking normal soldiers 20 years in the future with your setting here.

>>33098552
Can't can't occupy an enemy territory with hit and run tactics and since the caliphate is gearing up for a Jihad on Europe, it'd make sense for them to favor different tactics than what they've been using in the past decade.

>>33098343
There is historical president for them being fine with slavery. The Islamic world imported slaves from Africa up until the 1890s when Britain cut off the last slave trade routes that ran through the Sudan.

Maybe their elite troops are people who have been captured and brainwashed unto unthinking automaton slave soldiers?

>>33098348
The Israelis have nukes?

>>33098356
>>33098423
>>33098511
I like this idea of lots of fancy tech. That might explain how they are managing to hold off the UIC armies without western intervention.

>>33098473
Well no very few of the former governments willing joined the new Caliphate but they were overthrown by fundamentalist rebels. Kind of like what might happen to Syria if the rebel beat Assad.

>>33097204
Sounds fun, but why not have it be some sort of alternate history kind of thing instead of a continuation of modern, IRL history?
Let's say the Crusades fell into some sort of stalemate during the middle ages (maybe due to the plague?), but both sides solidified. The Islamic caliphates manage to drive off the Mongols and established relations with their former enemies in the West, at least through trade; and the West managed to stabilize their economy. Something something something it's now 2034 and the Caliphate has been couped into a more Fundamentalist/Radical regime, and a call for Jihad against Europe happens.

How does that sound?

>>33098587
If that is the case, they'd still need specialist soldiers who can defeat the enemy before the conflict gets complicated.

If the Caliphate is strictly adherent to Muslim law, then there are a lot of things they would be forbidden to do that would only make invasion and occupation harder.

They cannot kill cililians. They cannot destroy residential areas, trees, crops, animals, or farmlands. Any area they occupy if they want/need to use existing services they must ask for permission and then compensate those people after.

And if they do invade(offensive jihad) they'll have to be open for peace talks the moment they are offered. That means any invasion will need to be swift if they want to get as much as they can.

>>33098604
>Israelis have nukes?
Yes. Or are you saying them they have replaced them with spacewarp weaponry?

Anyway, strategic nuking would be useless since most factions can shoot nukes down before it reaches a target. So maybe tactical usage for nukes?

>>33098587
The elite forces do hit and run while Muttawah (see >>33098343) dig in after siegeing?

>>33098645
But the real-life fundamentalists that run the Caliphate don't even follow those laws.

>>33098645
If we have the Christians follow their book to the letter, we'll have them turning the other cheek and dying by the sword they've lived by. If there's one constant when it comes to law, be it divine or mortal, it's that people are willing to bend them to suit their needs, especially in an era where control of mass medias, disinformation and propaganda is ever-present.

>>33098578
C'mmooooooooooonnnnn!

>>33098628
Nah I'd prefer it to be continuation of RL events. I just finished reading a book on the formation of the Islamic Fundamentalist movement, and I've also been watching the news reports about ISIS taking over Iraq. When I saw my opening pic I started to really wanted to do something to connect it to real events.

>>33098645
Ah but you have to remember that the present day Islamic fundamentalist movements don't strictly follow the rule about not targeting innocents or compensation. Modern Islamic radical groups such as Al-quaida interpret the rules in such a way that they are fine with doing anything to anyone who they perceive to be against them.

>>33098663
Oh I didn't Israel had nukes IRL. I thought it was just the States, Britain, Russia, China, and who was the fifth country, France?

>>33098666
Satan trips speaks the truth.

>>33098511
In general, Israeli military doctrine can be summed up as:
>air power
>high technology
>air power
>itsy bit at groups of ultra elite infantry
>air power
>if all else fails, start throwing (high tech) conscripts at it and keep a finger on the nuke button

>>33098787
Baka-goyim, you forgot air power!

>>33098787
>tfw when the prime minister has claytonics

>>33098784
Yeah, France. France and Israel had a lot of cooperation between their programs.

>>33098784

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

So except for Pakistan, the Caliphate doesn't really have anything.

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>>33098787
Israeli flying saucers anyone?

OP, you haven't answered a very important question.

What about the various Orthodox and the Protestants?

>>33098784
The Israelis make a token effort to deny that they have nukes, but it's one of (if not the very) biggest non-secrets of current politics. Estimates are around 400 warheads, for launch from submarines (they have six currently, 2 more are under construction), airplanes and land based Jericho missile silos, probably buried somewhere in the mountains around the Jerusalem (where they also supposedly keep all the bunkers).

>>33098948
>Orthodox
Still subservient to their various states, especially Russia. Happy being the power behind the curtain, rather than fielding knights and shit.

>Protestants
Too indifferent to care about the collapse of Western Civilization. As usual.

>>33098951
Oh, and they also have a lovely thing called the "Samson's Choice Protocol" (as in "I shall die with the philistines") that basically means if they believe their country is lost all nukes will be automatically launched at predetermined targets.

Which include several European capitals.

It's a subject of some scandal, to say the least.

>>33098856
Not quite, but their former president Shimon Peres (replaced by Reuven Rivlin literally a few days ago) was always famous as an enthusiastic patron of the sciences and had a particular soft spot for all things nanotechbology.

>>33098948
So far as I know the Orthodox church isn't centralized enough to set up its own military force. Same with the Protestants. I reckoned Protestants and Orthodox Christians would be more focused on resisting the UIC though their nation states. Though in the United States I picture the more militant Protestant groups forming into unskilled but enthusiastic militias champing at the bit to fight the Muslims.

>>33098994
Wait. Why would they fire nukes at European cites if they're being attacked by Muslims?

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>2034
>Western Europe not kebab infested and part of the Caliphate

The crusaders should be from the Americas and Eastern Europe. By 2034, places like Sweden will be 1/3 immigrant (mostly kebab)

>>33099179
Or more even, like Britbongistan

>>33099161
Safety measure. "Nations of the western world? You know how we're always been threatened by muslims? Well, you better watch our backs because if we die we take Paris and Berlin with us."

Like I said, massive scandals. The very fact that they're allowed to keep doing this means the politics that take place behind the scenes with them dwarf anything we believe we might know.

>>33099161
Dude, Orthodox are far more hardcore than present-day Catholics. Catholics don't have organized death squad types nowadays unlike the Cetniks, Cossacks and various other extremists united under the slogan "Orthodoxy or Death".

>>33099330
That's not the Orthodox Church, just the populace. Patriarchs condemn them just like the Pope condemns the "Catholic" mafia.

>>33099153
Then why wouldn't their PM have claytronics by 2030s?

>>33099161
OP, what kind of superheavies would the crusaders have?

Would UIC elites have jetbikes and jetpacks?

>Wait. Why would they fire nukes at European cites if they're being attacked by Muslims?

Insurance policy.

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>>33098994
>>33099288
And now I'm terrified.

>>33099492
Their PM will totally have claytronics by 2030.

You also forgot a central part of IDF doctrine
>the Geneva conventions are for goyim

>>33099721
Israel doesn't follow the Geneva convention?

>>33099161
>Wait. Why would they fire nukes at European cites if they're being attacked by Muslims?

"If we're going down, we're taking the motherfucking world with us".

Why just European cities? Because that's about the limit of the range on their missiles. I can more or less guarantee that if they had true ICBMs and not just MRBMs they'd have the largest US cities targeted too.

You have to understand that the militant faction that runs Israel and who spent the last 60 years being antagonistic as possible towards the Middle East really do see the fall of Israel as the end of the world. They see nothing wrong with outright lying to their allies, starting preemptive wars or in other words, doing anything and everything necessary to safeguard Israel. And if Israel was to die, they're going to tear the world down with it. Never another holocaust again, etc etc.

Of course, that's not to say that the nations surrounding Israel wouldn't cheerfully see it wiped out of existence, but to a large extent the reason for that is that Israel's belligerency caused hostile Arab governments to spring into being.

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>>33096840
Well it suffers from the same problem all modern/near future warfare settings suffer from, in that, how are a few 3rd world countries able to threaten able to threaten the West, with their vast military power, wealth and technology.

Acts of terrorism are one thing, taking over the world is another.

And why is a religious order chosen to be this power armoured anti-terrorist task force, as oppose to military and security experts.

Also, are the Templars just code name for Right Wing Extremists nowadays?

>>33098604
>There is historical president for them being fine with slavery. The Islamic world imported slaves from Africa up until the 1890s when Britain cut off the last slave trade routes that ran through the Sudan.

Yes, but Muslims are forbidden from enslaving Muslims. It's going to be a hard sell to get captive modern day Christians or Jews to fight for a fundamentalist Arabic caliphate.

>>33098784
Yes but we're going to have crusaders going to war with bright targets for armor. I think some suspension of disbelief can be applied.

Regardless of whether or not they follow muslim rules of war to the letter, they will still want a way to beat the western powers who can outman and outgun them. You don't go head to head against an enemy like that. You go for the throat. UIS soldiers will be geared to move fast and maximize damage in the least amount of time without loss of said soldiers.

No suicide bombers. That would be expensive to arm and ship to the front. If they follow any rules, they'll follow the basic ones like giving their foot soldiers only the most basic of what they need to survive.

>>33099747
When it's convenient. But they have such a lousy track record with shit like human shields, hostage treatment, brutality towards civilians (although that one might be justified given that the civilians are usually either throwing rocks or trying to gang up on and beat them) and white phosphorous munitions nobody really buys it anymore.

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>>33099796
Well since this is sci-fi, we can go with brainwashed/surigically altered soldiers.

Basically pumped so full of chemicals that higher brain functions cease and all you have is an animal that can only respond to basic commands.

Beef up their muscles, graft on armor(maybe a big gun) and send em to the enemy.

>>33099747

Is a signatory. In practice? Varies just like every other nation. Don't believe that HURR WE MOST MORAL or HURR DEY HARVEST BABIES bullshit.

>>33099775
1/2: Enough oil money to get own vast military power, wealth and technology.
3: Ask OP
4: Not in this thread.

>>33099775
Okay now you are looking too deep into it.

This is merely a revival of the old Knightly orders but with modern military doctrine applied. Kinda like Hellgate London.

To understand Israeli diplomatic relations, imagine a person with really bad PTSD and borderline personality disorder, who is kind of short but also built like a bull and is an ex-many SEAL with a house full of questionably legal firearms.
In other words it's bound to end badly.

>>33099832
I think its much cheaper to round up a bunch of poor fanatics, haul them to the front and give them guns.

Brainwashed/surgically altered soldiers could be specialized units.

>>33099288
>The very fact that they're allowed to keep doing this means the politics that take place behind the scenes with them dwarf anything we believe we might know.

Not necessarily. How exactly do you tell a nation with 400 nukes and excellent launch vehicles "Hey, cut that out." The Jewish lobby in the US is far too powerful for the US to even consider rebuking the Israelis, and short of glassing Israel, you're not going to be able to convince them to change their minds.

>>33099832

We're talking at most, 20 years into the future, and a nation using the military cast-offs of the great powers. These aren't going to be technologically advanced super-soldiers. Religious fundamentalism and scientific advancement don't go hand in hand. Think GLA from C&C Generals, not Super-Nazi-Science.

>>33099867

The sad part is that it didn't have to end up like this. There were plenty of moderate voices on both sides, Arabic and Jewish, back at the start of modern Israel. The extremists in Israel drowned them out, and that lead to the moderates dying out elsewhere too, because Israel kept pursuing a hyper-militaristic approach.

>>33099768
But Europe and the west are the people who set up Israel in the first place and saved the Jews from being wiped out by the Nazis. Wouldn't they be too grateful for all the stuff we've done for them to bomb us? It seems insane.

>>33099909
>insane

See >>33099867
Basically Israel is in serious need of a hug and probably some happy pills. Possibly while straightjacketed.

>>33099909

The militants who run Israel don't see it that way. They see it as "If Israel falls, the Jewish people suffer a second Holocaust. We will NEVER let that happen, so if we're going to die, we're going to burn the entire world with us." From their perspective, the Jews of the world are fucked if Israel falls, so killing them along with the rest of the world matters little. Like I said, the only reason it's only Europe and not the US and Asia as well is that their missiles aren't long enough range.

>>33099909
Europe's approach to Israel was more opportunistic than always supportive (see CDG's embargo). Europe did whatever got them the most jewgolds, whether it be supporting or opposing.

I think this whole setting would work better as an alternate timeline. One where nukes don't exist (unless those are fundamental to your setting) and Templar styled armor, while it advanced as technology advanced, stayed looking relatively the same.

>>33099909
>saved the Jews from being wiped out by the Nazis

By happily sitting on their hands while millions died. This was reported, and largely discounted in the West. In part, Stalin had something to do with that, on top of people having a hard time believing that it could happen.

> Wouldn't they be too grateful for all the stuff we've done for them to bomb us

That notwithstanding, the nations operate on the principle of 'realpolitik' - which means, among other things, that 'grateful' doesn't come into play.

>>33099908
And the European counter will by knights with guns. Point being this is world building, not what will happen IRL.

The UIC will have access to the fortunes of oil barons and those guys can buy and sell European cities with the money they have stored away...

>>33097330
>implying the best tender isn't butthurt pagan witches.

Get rekt heretics.

>>33100073
Nukes can still exist and be strategically useless due to cheap, highly effective missile defenses.

>>33099881
Cheaper and inefficient. If they are fighting an offensive war, they will need to fight to win. Sending jerkwads with guns is what they do during the 'Cold War'. It's what Pakistan does with India today. It's basically 'Ghazi'.

When the gloves come off and the lines drawn, they will need something that can match a disciplined army. On their turf.

>>33100105
That and 100 nukes detonated at once will destroy the planet. No one wants that.

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>>33100084

But that money can only decrease, while western nations - especially nations that are predominantly Catholic, are going to see a major rise in oil production (and thus income) as time goes on.

Of course, as you say, this is world building, not what will happen in real life, so do whatever, I suppose.

>>33098784
>Nah I'd prefer it to be continuation of RL events.

The challenge with setting this up has been trying to figure out how a) This comes about without Israel going nuclear, b) How such a caliphate could really threaten the West. So why not use a) to explain b)?

The year is 2034.

Nineteen years have passed since a failed attempt by Israeli fighter-bombers to destroy a uranium enrichment facility in Iran lead to a resurgence in fundamentalism in the Middle East.

Fifteen years since the New Islamic Caliphate was declared in the ruins of Baghdad.

Fourteen years since the Israeli military was routed in the Sinai.

Thirteen years since the Samson Option was enacted.

Much of Europe and all of the Middle East was devastated by the nuclear strikes Israel launched in its' death throes. Only quick action by American missile submarines ensured that the loss of life was not greater, as the US erased the Israeli launch facilities with their own nuclear weapons.

What followed was the virtual total collapse of the world economy. The great financial cities of Europe were either smoking craters, or swamped with starving, homeless refugees from the irradiated zones. Currencies plunged in value, trade slowed to a crawl, major financial institutions were wiped out globally. From Tokyo to New York to Sydney to Rio, countries that never came within a thousand kilometres of an Israeli nuke found themselves collapsing.

>>33100138
Planets are tougher than that, anon. Way, way, way, way, way tougher.

>>33099775
>And why is a religious order chosen to be this power armoured anti-terrorist task force, as oppose to military and security experts.
Because it's a situation where fanatics might perform better than usual troops. Soldiers fight better if they believe they fight for a great cause.
Also it is in the governments interest to radicalize the populace and create an us-or-them mindset. After all, there will sooner or later be a massive war in which nobody will care about human rights or the geneva conventions. Having the knights as the awesome posterchild elite force protecting civilization does quite a bit for that, far more than normal military specops would. Behind the scenes, the knights would be a well-equipped modern military based on ideology.
The more I'm writing here, the more I notice that I'm more or less describing the SS.

>>33099775
The UIC possesses all the oil resources of the middle east. The US can't just stop buying oil from them without grinding to a halt and beside China has decided to remain neuteral and let its rivals fighting one another so the UIC has more money than god just like the Saudi royal family does now only add to that all the money from the Iraqi and Iranian oil fields as well.

This explains their ability to be a threat to the West and their high tech levels. The high tech levels can also be explained by them stealing a bunch of tech from the West. Either by using their own agents or by purchasing tech secrets that China has stolen from several western based corporations, etc.

I've never heard of Templars being code for far right wingers before. In this setting the individual Templars can be anywhere on the political spectrum. Aren't a lot of Catholics liberal these days?

>>33099806
I do like the idea of the UIC forces be less heavily armoured and more mobile. Maybe something like the Immortals from 300?

>>33099832
>>33099881
Yeah I pictured UIC forces being a mix of hordes of poorly equipped Jihadi fanatics and groups of elite high tech Mamelukes.

>>33100157
I just read this. I really like these ideas. This does sound like a plausible way to bring about the setting.

>>33100161
Oh the planet will still be around. But the effects will have such and adverse affect that we won't.

http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/fivemilliontonsofsmoke/

>>33100125
The more professions units can take cover behind large amounts of fanatics

>>33100157
>implying that fundamentalism was at low levels in the first place.
>implying that the Caliphate will accept Shias.
And above all
>implying that BRICS won't fill the economical vacuum
nigga plz

>>33100197
Extreme radicalism does seem to be the direction most of the world is headed in.

>>33100157

The US was helpless to intervene. Long locked in a mutual relationship with China that required each market to exist, the "Samson Depression" brought America to its knees. China was not immune either; the loss of US purchasing power lead to China's GDP reversing for the first time in decades. The political and economy ramifications were immense. Both the US and China withdrew into isolationism, mired in their own internal problems.

But in the ravaged Middle East, the millions who had survived began to rebuild. The New Islamic Caliphate hadn't died with the cities it had ruled over, but rather it had simply been diminished. Millions more had fled the regions and were now starving refugees in Europe, easy targets for recruitment into a new jihad.

In Europe itself, religious fundamentalism was also on the rise, but Christian instead of Muslim. For many, the destruction of the global economy and the annihilation of European cities had been the end of the world, and it was not surprising that at the End of Days, faith would find a resurgence. Right wing governments that espoused faith, unity, and European culture, began to rise to power. The moderate Pope who had died with Rome was replaced by a radical man who argued for a new Crusade to deal with those responsible for the Apocalypse.

>>33100222
I suggested in an earlier post that the Caliphate admits Shias but only as second class citizens, because they are useful as cannon fodder.

What are BRICS?

But then how would we have flights of buxom Israeli nano-augmented aces in orbital fighter bombers?

>>33100208
I think to be an effective fighting force, they'll be advanced enough so their basic infantry is kitted out as well as your average Western Power soldier.

Of course, they'll be complimented by irregulars. 'Militia' of faithful that aren't officially part of the UIC military but will be included for military operations and used by UIC commanders. Most likely as cannon fodder or distractions so their main force can take a vital position.

>>33100272
The big text makes no sense. Disregard/ignore it.

>>33100253
OH JEEBUS, ITS THAT TIME WITH KIRK ALL OVER AGAIN

>>33100243

The year is 2034.

Five years since the European Union declared a total ban on immigration and began imprisoning and expelling Muslims.

Four years since the New Islamic Caliphate first clashed with Orthodox fighters in the Balkans and declared a Jihad.

Three years since an unexploded atomic bomb was detonated in the heart of Munich, devastating the new German capital.

Two years since Pope XIII declared the 10th Crusade.

One year since the Knights Templar were reformed to be the elite forces to safeguard Europe.

The year is 2034.

>>33096840
>let's make a /pol/ quest!

Let's not.

>>33100359
No one's asking for a quest, dumbass.

>>33100359
>Europe collectively thinks putting guys in bright, easily targeted suits of armor is the best defense against a muslim hegemony
>Even remotely plausible enough for /pol/

>>33100359
>/pol/quest
>Israel presented in a mostly sympathetic light and is potentially a viable faction in the conflict with cool gimmicks
When was the last time you've been to /pol/?

>>33100243
Again I like this. Its interesting I've been reading about the religious and political extremism that seems to be taking hold of the world and it worries me. Maybe this setting could explore the consequence of a future reality where the slide towards extremism reaches its natural...extreme?

>>33100272
Damn, once more a developer is faced with the decision or either creating a backstory that makes consistent sense or one that panders to his fetishes.

Life is suffering.

>>33100283
What about hordes of poorly armed Shia militia fanatics, armies of moderately well armed regular soldiers, and an elite core of technologically brainwashed super slave soldiers.

>>33100359
This isn't a quest I wanted to develop an RPG setting, kind of what /tg/ did awhile ago with that game where the players play as toys guarding sleeping kids from nightmares, Nightlight Guardians I think it was called.

Or those threads where anons were creating a setting where Vikings had settled America and reached a 19th century level of tech creating a Viking Wild West land.

Also this isn't a /pol/ thing, please don't get upset.

>>33100272
GOD'S CHOSEN BUSTS MUST BE PRESERVED
nanotech is also cool

>>33100451
Well that's what I meant by militia of 'faithful'.

Underprivileged goaded with promises of loot and better living conditions sign up, are given whatever gun is in the lost and found and shipped off with everyone else.

I reckon the way this would actually all work is that the governments wouldn't technically be at war.

In Europe at least I could see anti-immigration anti-muslim borderline fascist states propping up everywhere. Once they get into government they adopt realpolitik and start relenting on Muslim states for oil.
Condemnation from the more human rights-conscious countries not directly involved- US, Aus, South America, which Asian countries? - as well as the remnants of the Left-wing in those European countries keeps them from simply imprisoning all Muslims in the country or declaring war on the Caliphate.

Meanwhile, the popular sentiment that got them in power is still there and these people form NGO's to fund certain countries that are willing to be outwardly antagonistic and violent towards the Calipate.

It would be a terrorist war between Europe and the Middle East.
Instead of US vs Pakistan it would be Pakistan vs Taliban. European governments would deny any direct involvement, and largely wouldn't have any, but they would tolerate the presence of Far right groups.

Some of these Far-right groups would be the Templars, who aren't sanctified by the Pope, but by a new anti-Pope.

Now the war would be less Warhammer and more Infinity, with small groups trying to blow the fuck out of each other's population.

>>33100594
But how would small groups be able to afford high tech armour and milspec weapons like in the OP pic?

>>33100638
Because they are proxies. Fun fact: Hezbollah got its fiber optic cable network from Iran.

>>33100594
So proxy wars/black ops? Could work.

I think I'll try and map this. Give me pointers/ideas of what I should lay down on the map. Please be realistic, no "Germany suddenly goes Großdeutschland and Russia annexes Finland".

>>33100451
>Maybe this setting could explore the consequence of a future reality where the slide towards extremism reaches its natural...extreme?

That's why I thought enacting the Samson Option prior to this would work well: you get extremism when things are bad. When things are good, you tend to get more moderation; people don't want to disturb the status quo when the status quo is serving them quite nicely.

In any case, glad you like it. It does give things a bit of a post-apocalyptic feel, but frankly you'd need a pretty devastating event to make NATO armies susceptible to conventional warfare with Middle Eastern terror states, and have extremist religion take hold again in Europe.

>>33100306
What about it doesn't make sense? It's one of the most realistic near future speculations I've ever seen on this board. Stop being butthurt about Israel, the world would be that much better without it.

I like this idea, OP! some suggestions i'd like to make though:
>consider bumping the timeline up by ten years
This gives you a bit more leeway with the technology angle, plus gives the Islamic nations more time to get their shit together, as the current one suggests they've started RIGHT NOW
>The Bright Red Crosses
While I don't mind this so much, a possible suggestion is, because the Church does have the mad dosh to pay up, perhaps the Templar armors have a special function which allows soldiers to change their colors and patterns. Thus, when doing normal work, they're in the red and white, but in combat, the suit starts displaying a digital camo pattern?
Also
>Arming class Extending Blades
A knife is nice, but how about knife that can ALSO be a sword?

>>33100723
Ukranian neo-republic

Dubai has fallen to ruin because of extreme debt and big buildings

EU is a hotbed of political struggles and tensions, rioting could break out anywhere at any time

Sections of Africa controlled by huge bands of warlords, but its a loose reign and life typically continues as normal

U.S. and Russian temperaments building into a new cold war, so lots of staring contests with big guns

North Korea still desperately trying to pretend they mean anything, so increased military presence along the DMZ, etc.

Basically imagine the worst case scenario of every large political thing going on right now, but taken to logical extremes and not EVERYONE NUKES EVERYONE shit.

>>33100746

BRICS becoming a global economic power is contingent upon the global economy staying the way it is. Something like the Middle East and Europe being taken out would be deadly to the global economy. One tiny European country nearly declaring bankruptcy shook the entire world economy; the effects of the main oil producing region in the world being annihilated and one of the largest markets, producers and financial sectors on the planet falling apart would be catastrophic. Even one major European city like London or Paris being nuked would be enough to destabilize the world economy; a dozen getting nuked would be cataclysmic.

If indeed you're referring to BRICS and not the buxom Israeli orbital fighter pilots, in which case please disregard.

>>33100797

>Ukrainian Neo-Republic
Holding what territory? Affiliated with EU or Russia? Just saying, them getting back Crimea is sadly pretty unrealistic by now.

>EU
Internal border suggestions?

>Africa
I think I can deal with "Inner Africa". But what territory is held by the UIC?

>U.S, N.K.. and Russia
For the most part not on my map yet, focusing on EU and Middle East.

>>33100808
Buxom pilot's where the fun's at.
Ill admit it, I'm a little butthurt. I've liked Israel since I've been there a few years ago and always think it's a shame such an interesting country doesn't get more representation in science fiction stories. Still, cool setting. Go on.

>>33100746
>expecting sunni-shiite tensions to stop just because israel failed a strike
>expecting the a bunch of guys in freakin' iraq have enough military capabilities to seize all of israel in year.
>expecting the caliphate to easy gain control from other governmental entities including but not limited to the gulf, turkey, yemen, lebanon and yemen.
>realistic

No. Its outright prophetic.

>Stop being butthurt about Israel, the world would be that much better without it.
>the world would be that much better without it.
>Stop being butthurt about Israel

K, I will~

>>33100903
>More Israelis in Sci-fi
All I can think of, taking this setting into account, is that unknown to the rest of the world, Israel used their final solution and a series of rocket ships carrying over ten thousand of Israel's best and brightest went up into the heavens in the confusion and chaos

Amongst the stars, they have mined the moon and Mars of raw resources and built a mighty space station. They are...

JEWS IN SPACE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

>>33100594
Though if the whole world has been thrown into a depression would the US, Austrailia, etc care about human rights violations? I'd think political extremism and religious fanaticism would arise there like it does in Europe due to hard times. Though maybe not as much due to not having been nuked.

In this setting I'd rather have the Templars be sanctified by the actual pope. The way I pictured it Pope Francis died and was replaced by a more militant pope, the kind you used to see in the medieval age. And I don't see why there would be a new anti-pope. Plus having the Templars under the actual pope I feel would be cooler.

>>33100716
Yeah I figured at the beginning of the setting the Templars would be an elite black ops kind of force who are focused on preventing terrorist attacks and on performing covert operations against the Caliphate.

>>33100773
>the current one suggests they've started RIGHT NOW
Watching the news reports about ISIS taking over Iraq are one the things that inspired me to make this thread. Though maybe it would be better to set this 30 years in the future instead of 20.

The colour changing idea is a good one. Perhaps when they are operating in Europe trying to prevent terrorist attack they wear white and red in order to assure the population that the Knights Templar are there to protect them. Also to strike fear into the terrorists "Here come the Templars to kill you Ali, better run!"

About swords. One idea I had was that they use guns when facing Jihadis and ordinary soldiers but the armour that both Templars and Mameluke wear is too strong for bullets. So when Templars and Mameluke fight each other they switch to some sort of high tech blades than can pierce armour.

>>33100797
I don't picture Russia and the U.S falling into another cold war quite yet. I like the idea of the U.S. retreating into isolationism. While I had the thought that Russia would try to hold itself apart from the coming conflict and wait to take advantage.

>>33100955
>they evolve into the ferengi

>>33100808
One of the things I've thought about examining with this is the fear a lot of people including myself feel about the possible collapse of civilization. Like of some catastrophic event like we're describing happening where people refuse to compromise, the situation escalates, cities get nuked and the world goes to shit.

I sometimes think about how Rome fell and everything went to shit and wonder why it couldn't happen again? What if we descended into a new dark age? What would it take to have that happen and what would the world look like if it did?

>>33100996
Natch.

Crap its 5:30 I should probably sleep for a bit.

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>>33100962
>About swords. One idea I had was that they use guns when facing Jihadis and ordinary soldiers but the armour that both Templars and Mameluke wear is too strong for bullets. So when Templars and Mameluke fight each other they switch to some sort of high tech blades than can pierce armour.

Okay, as the guy who suggested the knives that could turn into swords, I do have to warn about the idea of "a sword that can go through armor a bullet cannot".

See, when I suggested a knife that could extend into a sword without losing structual integrity, what you had was a decently versatile weapon. If you needed extra reach in a melee fight, turn it into a sword or catch some poor asshole offguard in a bayonet charge and take precious second away from them by quickly extending to sword length as you get in range.

But if you want to go that route, you'd need the blades to pretty much be lightsabers, or rather work on a similar principle.

See also: the a supercharged blade (possibly of tool origin) in which the energy is contained and constantly recirculated so the energy is not lost as it might be with a fired blast.

Or you could go the semi-real path with "bullet proof armor's gotten better but, like real world many real bulletproof armors, it's meant to stop bullets, not blades"
While blades, meanwhile, go the Attack on Titans path of being super super sharp, but the blades themselves are so fragile, only a few cuts dull them to uselessness, and thus are treated as disposable.

>>33101085
Plasma blades. The blade is formed when the user presses the trigger but otherwise doesn't exist. Can cut through even tanks.

>>33100903
Sadly, there's no realistic way for Israel to survive in this scenario. Its very existence literally precludes its happening. You could excuse it if the "crusade" was directed somewhere else but here it's one or the other.

>>33101117
Just to clarify: I don't think it's impossible for Israel to survive in the future. It's just that in any future in which it does survive, this whole scenario would've never been possible.

>>33101032
>I sometimes think about how Rome fell and everything went to shit and wonder why it couldn't happen again? What if we descended into a new dark age? What would it take to have that happen and what would the world look like if it did?

If you study pre-industrial human civilizations, you notice a recurring theme: they all fall apart when they reach a certain point of social complexity. This is for a fundamentally simple reason: the larger a society is, the more complex it is, and the more complex it is, the more vulnerable it is to disruption. As civilizations grow larger they become more dependent upon the various parts of their empire, which is why control of Egypt was vital to the Emperors of Rome, for example. Egypt controlled the grain supply. Any disruption to that; poor harvests, disease, losing control of the sea lanes across the Mediterranean, would have disastrous consequences for Rome.

>>33101193

Why were industrial societies immune to this? There's a few additional reasons, but the main one is that they can extract much, much more energy from their environment than pre-industrial societies. This lets social complexity climb to ridiculous levels, and is the reason why I can communicate with you across thousands of kilometres nearly instantaneously. But the price of that is that our entire globe is now linked. That's why Greece nearing bankruptcy nearly sent the world into a depression. That's why a crisis in the Middle East causes oil prices to skyrocket across the world. That's why American banks offering sub-prime mortgages caused a global financial recession.

Our societies are very, very complex, and entirely inter-dependent. We're one global Roman empire, and although we extract thousands of times more energy from our environment than Rome ever did, we're still vulnerable; indeed, more vulnerable, to disruption. Collapse now would mean a far worse and longer recovery than Rome suffered.

>>33096840
You need to balance the factions by a lot. 20 years isn't enough to turn the middle east into some kind of world power that could rival all of the west.

First things first to balance it the USA must be taken out of the equation, let's say the 17 trillion dollar debt forced them to default as they lost market-share and such aren't as powerful (relatively) as they were before.

But still, the productivity between Europe and the middle east is very imbalanced.

The total gdp of the middle east is around 4 trillion dollars, and this is with Turkey in comparison to the EU's 17 trillion dollars. Turkey's economy is around 1 trillion dollars in gdp.

You need to explain how a group of states that today have a gdp of less than Germany are able to take on all of Europe.

>>33096840
The Jews did it, on both sides, and it's intentional controlled opposition to make both sides buy War loans, with the conquered countries being forced to establish a private central bank slaved to the IMF.

Unless the Muslims have managed to burn Israel without getting samson'd off the map, at which point I don't know what the fuck is going on any more.

>>33100723

>"Germany suddenly goes Großdeutschland and Russia annexes Finland".

>No fun please.

At least give them back A-L for the laughs

>>33101085
>>33101106

Why not just keep swords are purely ceremonial.
You could still have them get used in extreme scenarios, but otherwise they serve no purpose.

>>33101339
We've been over this. The Muslims survived the Samsoning, just weakened.

>>33101305

Well maybe no all European countries are united in the Jihad, and they fight each other as much as they fight the Muslims. Because in an extremist scenario, European internal relationships would plummet as much as the external ones.

Furthermore you know what else 20 years isn't enough for? Re population. If countries like France or Britain start deporting their immigrants, they're gonna run low on manpower very very fast.

UK might be an exception if it went full Britannia somehow and called on the Commonwealth, but in such a scenario that's unlikely.

Also, we're forgetting what the African Christians and African Muslims would do to each other

>>33101456
OP hasn't decided anything whether proxy/black op war or Open war, Samsoning happened/didn't happen.

>>33101515
If the Samsoning didn't happen, Israel still survives (anthropic principle: if it ever got close to being destroyed, there would've been a Samsoning, therefore of there wasn't it means it didn't close), meaning you can't have a crusade.

>read: whole thread

>>33101586
OP might not have a problem with not having a crusade (see >>33100962)

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Can the setting have wanzers? Pretty please? How about cyborg soldiers akin to mgr?

I can see It now.

"Badly out matched Regulars fighting against mamalukes in an alleyway. Right as a sword is about to behead a young member of the fraetis feier a blade blocks it. Echoeing through the silence comes one sentence from a mouth with a sardonic pearly white smile. "Mind if I cut in?" "

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>>33098469

Uh.

You, uh, you might want to factcheck that there number.

Because....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

>>33101657
Don't know about you guys, I'm on whichever side of the argument that allowed for orbital nanofighters.

>>33101804
What if the caliphate attacked Europe to block support to Israel? This way we'll have Israel, the Crusade and cool stuff that the caliphate wouldn't be able to produce if they are Samsoned.

>>33101885
Sound more like the background to a miniature wargame than an RPG.

>>33096840
>Implying the increasingly secular Europeans will fight in the name of Catholicism
>Implying it won't be sub-saharan africans

>>33102466
Americans don't seem to get that only third world countries are as ridiculously religious as they are.

>>33099203
For God's sake, we get more immigrants from Catholic places such as Poland and Hindus from India. If you think the Indians will let the Muslims, and by extension the Pakistanis, take over, you're barking up the wrong tree.

>>33100138

Man, it really really won't. See:

>>33101791

Oh boy. A spiritual sequel to RaHoWa!

>>33102558
Now with 80% less hate crime!

>>33102436
Every heard of Deathwatch/Only War/Black Crusade/Dark Heresy?

That aside, the caliphate's "attack" was a black op that would have done serious damage, not some sudden invasion.

>>33103331
95% less hate crime and 5000% more war crimes

>>33103547
>95% less hate crime and 5000% more war crimes
JUST LIKE IN AMERICA

>>33096840
I don't even know where to start on how romanticized OP makes the crusaders appear.

OP plz

What kind of superheavies would the crusaders have?

Would UIC elites have jetbikes and jetpacks?

Okay I've had some sleep, am back now. ice to see the thread is still up I'm enjoying this.

>>33101085
>>33101106
Now here I'm on the horns of a dilemma. One of the reasons I wanted to make this scenario is because it seems to me as though the world is heading down the path of extremism. So I want to explore what would happen if we continued down that path what would the world look like, and ask ourselves is this really the sort of world we want to live it. So I want to make it a realistic world. But at the same time I'm a storyteller and I want to add cool, exciting elements like supercharged blades and wise cracking mech pilots like this guy >>33101765 suggested. (fuck yes wanzers!)

It would be nice if I could make this a setting where the two are balanced. Where its a serious setting but with cool sci fi stuff in it.

>>33101117
>>33101165
Considering that this setting is heading in the direction of the west collapsing to the point where the middle east is a threat you may be right. I was thinking that if we go with the scenario in this post >>33100157 where Israel launches the Sampson Option and collapses the world economy, even if Israel did manage to survive the rest of the world would hate it and it would be overwhelmed and destroyed by the United Islamic Caliphate. Which might work well with the theme of extremism actually bringing about the thing you're seeking to prevent by taking a hard line instead of compromising.

>>33101193
>>33101211
I don't know that it would take as long for the West to recover from a modern collapse as it did from the Roman one. Recovery from the Roman collapse took from 450AD to 1450AD right? Whereas our society has all our technology stored on computers everywhere and we are industrialized so I reckon we would be able to recover quicker than that. Maybe we're in for a century of war and hardship at the most? (I don't know for certain I'm just making a guess)

>>33101305
Yeah I think the date should be changed to 2044 instead of 2034 to give the UIC to ramp up its economy and tech level to the point where its a viable threat.

As for taking the US out of the equation, I don't know that I want to take it out entirely. I was thinking that it might join the war later on but it is definatly severly weakened.

I've thought of two possible explanations. One the economic collapse has weakened them so much that they can't be concerned with anyone's problems but their own. Two, keeping with the theme of what would happen in an extremism future, the US has descended into a second Civil War between Red States and Blue States and is too busy fighting itself to bother with anyone else.

As for why the Middle East has become a threat its because they have all the oil and are selling it to everyone, particularly to China who is remaining neutral, content to let its rivals fight each other.

>>33101339
The Muslims survived the Samson option because the Americans managed to shoot down most though not all of Israel's missiles. The Islamic world was wounded but not destroyed and the nuclear attack only served to drive them further into extremism and unite the Muslim world into the UIC.

>>33101480
I picture Russia holding itself apart from the conflict, allowing Europe and the UIC to weaken themselves fighting each other so that at the right moment it can strike and take over everything.

If it wouldn't be too ridiculous I'd like for Putin to still be running things, either as a Darth Vader like cyborg or from a some sort of rejuvenation chamber. (just a thought)

I also like the idea of Britain withdrawing from the EU and trying to consolidate the Commonwealth.

>>33101515
At this point things are still in a proxy war/ black ops stage. Though later on the situation will ignite into open war.

I think the best way to make this scenario happen is for the Sampson Option to have occurred. So yes it did happen.

>>33105490
>cyborg putin
FUCK YES

Btw, what about >>33104447 and >>33101885 + >>33103547 ?

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>>33105643
Derp

Here >>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/32701995/#p32704865

>>33102466
Someone earlier suggested that the nuclear annialation of several European capitals and the collapse of the world economy would cause people to become more religious, thinking that the End of Days was really coming. And even if they aren't religious Europeans are being killed weekly by terrorist suicide bombers and they know the UIC is gearing up to invade so even secular people are fighting alongside the Catholic church.

>>33102478
>tips fedora
And I'm Canadian by the by.

>>33102558
>>33103331
>>33103547
>>33103575
This isn't Racial Holy War sort of thing which as I understand it promotes racial holy war as a positive thing. This is more of the sort of thing you saw in the 60s where lots of people were worried about a nuclear war breaking out. So they made movies and wrote novels about what the world might be like if nuclear really did break out. Which caused people to ask themselves "Is this really the sort of world I want to end up with."

I'm going for a similar thing. I've been worried about the world's slide towards extremism so I'm examining what a world where we allowed that to continue would be like.

>>33103839
Crusaders can't be romantic figures?

>>33104447
By superheavies do you mean tanks or mecha?

I think it would be going a bit too far to depict the UIC having jetpacks. Though either side having something like a hovertank or a hover technology gunship would I think be in keeping with the setting.

>>33105794
>By superheavies do you mean tanks or mecha?
Whatever you have planned for them.

>>33105490
What if Israel survived Samson and started producing the weird shit from above posts?

>>33105794
Will we get polish stealth tank charge at 2nd battle of vienna?

>>33105794

Hi, I'm th guy who wanted to map Europe and the Middle East, even if just shoddy-like. Please tell me about the situation in:

- Russia, Belarus, Ukraine
- Italy (particularily the Vatican - were the Papal States restored as a base of operations?)
- the area formerly known as Israel/Palestine - do Crusader HQs exist there now?

>>33105981
Even if the Americans look the other way, France and the UK will not when their capitals into dust, so Israel WILL eat nukes in number if they strike Paris or London. their probably wouden't be so much as an upright garden shed left in the entire nation.

>>33105981
*just to survive?

>>33106067
Good point.

Nobody in this thread accounted for UK and French nukes.

Wait OP, why didn't Europe try to stop Samson from occuring in the first place?

>>33106112
Busy disintegrating into radioactive ash.

>>33106157

I mean, why didn't the stop the caliphate from gaining too much ground?

>>33105926
As for tanks I'm picturing some sort of high tech hovertank or hover technology gunship like a Thunderhawk. I also like the idea of including mecha, though more of the small primitive sort of mecha like you would see in Front Mission rather than the skyscraper sized super robot variety of Gundam or Eva.

I also thought that maybe introducing mecha would be a good way to introduced sword combat. While it might be impractical for foot soldiers to carry swords, and human sized power swords might be too unbelievable, I thought that maybe when mechs fight each other they either need to use mech sized power swords or big unwieldy anti-tank cannons from a distance.

>>33105981
>>33106067
>>33106089
Yeah I think at this point its looking like Israel has been destroyed.

>>33106020
Russia is staying out of the current conflict. Cyborg Putin is waiting for Europe and the UIC to weaken themselves fighting each other to the point where Russia can step in and conquer both of them. I think the Russians would engage in covert ops in order to make the both sides strength as equal as possible so that they will spend the more resources and manpower fighting each other and make the Russian conquest of Europe and the Middle East easier. So far as Russia and Eastern Europe goes I don't think the map will have changed too much. I haven't decided whether Russia is still holding on to the Crimea or not. The Ukraine is worried about being conquer by Russia and probably Belarus is too. (I don't know a whole lot about Belarus)

Italy: Italy is still a whole nation state that is in name run by the Italian government but the Papacy has considerably more influence than it does today. The people of Italy are fed up with government corruption and in the wake of the depression and the nuclear war the Church did a better job of taking care of the people than the government did. Continued...

>>33106730
>>33106020
Italy continued

In light of this a lot of Italians have become more religious and feel more loyal toward the church than they do towards the government. Thus the Church and the Pope has a lot more political control over Italy than the present Pope does. The church can't dispense with the government but the government had better listen to a cooperate with the Pope or there are going to problems.

Israel/ Palestine
I think the area is heavily irradiated and few people live there now. I think Jerusalem would still be intact since no one wanted to destroy the Holy City but everywhere else in unlivable. (This is just off the top of my head, if anyone has better suggestions about what the Levant is like please voice them)

>>33106112
>>33106200
The same reason no one is interveining in Iraq now that ISIS is taking over or interfering in the Syrian civil war. Due to the botched wars in Iraq and Afganistan no one wants to get involved. Left wingers (for I want this to be about the folly of both Left and Right wing extremes) in Europe and America are opposed to war on principle and keep the west from interviening militarily even when fundamentalist Islamic movements take over the middle east. And then once the UIC is formed they control all the middle east's oil and the West doesn't want to be cut off from the oil supplies.

>>33106730
Sorry, I was going to post a map but then I realized that Paint.NET legitimately shat itself when I saved it, and it didn't actually save. Fuck's sake, I put a lot of work into it, too.

Maybe I'll try again tomorrow, Anon. Right now I'm too angry.

>>33106908
Failmap guy here. My idea for Israel/Palestine:

The Holy Land, the Kingdom of God, Old Montreal. Such are the names - euphemisms, rather - for the desolate nuclear wasteland where once stood the state of Israel and the Palestinian territories. Parts of Syria and most of Jordan as well have fallen to the immediate damage of nuclear barrages, fallout, and the aftermath that ensued.

Except for the HQs of some renascent crusader orders, not much is left standing. Jerusalem was for the most part exempt from the destruction; that is to say, the buildings were. Radiation sickness did little to destroy the city of David, and even the most radical and vengeful looters respect the broken authority of the Temple Mount.

But in the bleakness and death, life still perseveres. Hasidic rabbis, charismatic as they are fanatical, have brought on a revival of the kibbutz, and new survivalist groups under the leadership of those firebrands have established dwindling, miserable, but persistent outposts. Crusaders be warned: only few of them are hospitable towards the goyim. Bring proof that you fight against the UIC, if you must approach the kibbutzniks.

>>33107047
Oh yes I like this idea. It would allow for Stalker like post-Apocalyptic adventures where the PCs have to venture into the irradiated hellscape of the Levant.

Maybe Acre is left as an unraidiated crusader HQ/international city where a lot of spy stuff can take place and serves as a stop off for anyone who wants to venture into the Holy Land.

One of the famous battlecries of the IDF is "there shall never be another Masada". This refers to a tragic incident from Jewish history, in which the final remnants of the rebellion against the Romans, huddled up inside a lone mountain fortress and watching over the approaching legions, decided to commit mass suicide rather than face enslavement.
But what if there was another Masada? It so happens that the word (probably due to the evolution of the language is very close to the Hebrew "Mezuda", or "Citadel". The IDF is rumored to keep an extensive system of bunkers around the mountains of Jerusalem even today, and the bunkers beneath the military base in Tel-Aviv (containing most of the IDF high command and technological infrastructure) is supposedly nuke resistant.
Perhaps in light of the growing tensions in the region during the preceding decades, the IDF decided to pretty much hollow out the mountains and create a massive superbunker for a significant percentage of the populace. It wouldn't be the first time literally over half of the Jewish race were killed. Even if less than a million survive, a chance remains for them to rebuild one day.

This "Citadel" functions like something between a military base and an underground city for the last survivors of Israel. Since the occupants were primarily chosen from the high command, military government and people selected (via their recruitment tests) for exceptional discipline, ruthlesnness and survivability, the hold of religion over the nation has ironically diminished significantly, but military tradition took its place, creating a society of hardened soldiers.
(cont.)

>>33107352
While most of its population is destroyed, the economy seems irrepairably damaged and most of the military infrastracture is lost (explaining why Israel can't resolve any individual battle via quick application of orbital bombardment), Israel has retained its edge in technology, training, and willingness to commit calculable atrocities with mechanical efficiency, allowing it to punch massively above its weight.
Following the Mossad motto of "It is by cunning that you shall make war", most battles are resolved by Israel away from the battlefield. Deep cover Mossad spies and assassins work around the clock worldwide to provide a strategic advantage, neccesiating direct confrontation only in the most dire of cases. While AIR POWER is always preferable, the sad fact is that Israel can no longer afford to send its hyperadvanced fighters into every fight anymore. Nanotechnologically enchanced aquaponics and nuclear reactors provide the Citadel with food and energy, but the materials required to repair and rearm the VTOLs are in very short supply (Israel recieves semi-regular shipmants of material from those rich American Jews with enough political power to cut through the official embargo following the enactment of the Samson's Option, but ironically, most are sunk by a Caliphate blockade before they can be unloaded.)
It is in these cases that Israel deploys its commando units, the Rephaim and Nephilim sayeret battalions. Nano-augmented, superbly trained and fitted with the most top-secret bleeding edge hardware imaginable, 1 vs 1 they are second to none, especially when supported by AI controlled "Merkava VI" mechs and limited air units. They must operate with extreme efficiency however, because the loss of a single soldier is a massive blow.

>>33107047
>>33107352
>>33107374
I like both these idea. Could we have them both at the same time? High tech Israeli enclaves under the mountains while tribes of fanatical nomads roam the surface? What would the relationship between the two groups be like?

>>33107470
Hasids and their kibbutznik followers probably think the Israeli state remnants are not "real Jews", probably to blame for the entire thing happening because of lax religious morals, and at best disregard them.

Honestly the Hasidim are probably not the nicest people to hang around with, IRL or in this setting. Think of the best you'll get from them as Craster's Keep: they'll let you rest up and reluctantly give you the kitchen waste to eat as long as your goals are aligned (fighting the Muslims).

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>>33107303
not original map guy but that's what I have came up with

>>33107585
Having spoken to both, odds are they will not like each other one bit. Hasidim are some of the most religious Jews out there (I'm talking full on mystical - they're the type that seriously goes to consult a magician before important life events and buy curses to put on their enemies), whereas kibbutznikim are fervently anti-religious and tend to be politically very liberal (in the American sense of the word), but with a seemingly paradoxical favor towards the army. If anything, the remaining kibbutzim would ally with the Citadel to provide more supply via above-ground agriculture and maintain the vast fields of solar panels that supplement the reactors, while having to fend off attacks by the hasidim using relatively primitive means similar to those built during the early days of Israeli history (the "חומה ומגדל"/"Towerwall" type wooden fortress, for example).

Think of kibbutznikim as representing a kind of Soviet communist farmer ideal (everyone shares everything, everyone loves working the earth with their two honest hands, everyone is always helpful and supportive) but with a dark undercurrent of everyone being crazy (probably at least in part because of their fucked up philosophy of raring children away from their parents in communal "child houses").

As an example that particularly stood out in my memory from my time in Israel, most kibbutznikim are SHOCKINGLY casual about their sexuality. You'll be hard pressed to find a straight person amongst them (they just fuck everything that moves) and they tend to act like that from a really, really, disturbingly young age. It's how they pass the time when they're not milking the cows.

You bet hasidim won't like that.

Blue - European Union
Green - Polish-German Commonwealth (or German-Polish - idk what sounds better)
Gold - Mediterranean Union
Purple - the Califat
Red - New Russian Empire

>>33107769
Granted, I have never been to Israel, but I always thought the communist weirdo-kibbutzniks were the ones who started the kibbutz movement back when Israel was young and Ben Gurion and the Mapai were still relevant, while modern-day kibbutzniks are the "settlers" you hear about on TV who aggressively settle on the Palestinian border and get free shekels from the government when they're in torah school and making six trillion babies with their bald women.

>>33107303
OP, I started reading in one place, then walked home and read to the bottom.
I had loads of (what I thought were) really cool ideas for this, but they were significantly less end-of-the-world than what you have.

Want me to share them anyway?

>>33107827
You're mistaking two very different groups of people.
>Kibbutznikim: uber-communist farmers who fuck everything and love serving in frontline combat units
>Settlers: uber-religious Israeli rednecks who stubbornly set up camps wherever they feel like with tons of guns and harass nearby Palestinians

>>33107864
Sure go ahead. We might able to modify them so they fit an d add new dimensions to the setting.

>>33106730
I dislike mecha as they are inferior to a tank in almost every way. The only advantage could be that they might be small enough to go where a tank can't be used, but then we're talking about powered armor. It might be possible to build some prototypes in 20 years, but most of the stuff they'll typically have is in development now, so air and ground drones, tanks, and hi-tech infantry with far better tactical cooperation. I believe that they might be able to deliver a drone-based airstrike within one minute after an infantryman calls for it using his multipurpose goggles. I'm thinking protective glasses which can display tactical overlays, target recognition, IFF, ballistic calculations for the guns, maps, UAV intel and have IR and night-vision modes as well as a camera, GPS and other useful stuff. More or less google glass for war, with 2030s technology.
What about digital warfare? It will certainly consist of more than just propaganda.

>>33107897
Typing them up now.
(Unfortunately)The main inspiration was making nukes much less of threat by making working antimissile defences

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>>33106730
>Cyborg Putin is waiting for Europe and the UIC to weaken themselves fighting each other to the point where Russia can step in and conquer both of them

I like the Cyborg Overlord idea but how about making something more interesting than stereotype random evil Russians that scheme to conquer the world for the sake of conquering the world? And maybe adding some flavor to them in contrast with the other two major factions?
What I have in mind is that natural fuel prices certainly won't go down in such alternate history variant. The Russia would surely reap its share of war profits securing its place as one of the major oil and gas suppliers in the world. The already big and powerful corporations like Gazprom and Rosneft are going to become near-omnipotent and their lobbyists would tailor the state to their master's needs. So you would get the same sinister and scheming power but with some actual motivation behind their moves besides conquering large swathes of land with probably hostile local population. Instead, it will be a corporations-ruled state interested in prolonging the strife between muslims and catholics as long as possible. And it would be nice if potential players could play for some secular faction in case they've become tired of playing righteous warriors of God/Allah.
You could also pair them in alliance with some Asian countries. If we're trying to avoid cliches I'd suggest Japan over China. If your US are growing more and more isolationist, they would at some moment withdraw their bases and their political and economical support from Japan. The Japanese could really use some cheap natural resources from Russia to keep their industry running. For example, it could start from setting a joint economical zone in disputed Northern Territories and then move from trade alliance to a military one.

>>33107872
Well then. In that case there'll be kibbutznikim (never thought they'd pluralize a word with a foreign ending, sounds gross) who pretty much live as a rural/pioneer extension of the post-IDF, while the settler/Hasidic settlements are the holier-than-thou fanatics who are trying to outbreed the radiation-based gene defects.

>>33107962
Modern Hebrew is the disfigured bastard child of a beautiful and ancient biblical language, Arabic, German and Russian. It's not pretty (but if you speak it well it can be very efficient, which is telling).

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>>33107960
You should also think about the reason why China isn't steamrolling everyone by the date your setting starts. You could go with internal strife, natural disaster, some kind of economic crisis or a combination of these. The natural disaster would be a good choice - it could cause an influx of refugees in sparsely populated Russian Far East transforming it in a land of sprawling metropolises surrounded by endless refugee camps.

>>33107677
>>33107789

UE crumbles under its own weight, breaking into the North and the South. While the southern countries create Mediterranean Union northern ones continue to squabble amongst themselves.This time the problem is Russia or rather the New Russian Empire. England and France united are trying to soften the position of Germany by strengthening relationships with Putin, who is now know as the Emperor Vladimir the First.
in the middle of this all Turkey has its own problems - the coup attempt fails and the purges are underway. Radicals, secretly supported by russians, are quickly gaining power, but noone realises it until it's too late.
And then, on the saturday may 15th year 2044, a transport ship under Turkish flag comes into the port in Haifa. In side it 75 Mt atomic warhead is being armed. At 15:34 a magnetic catapult tosses it three hundred meters into the sky and then a human made sun comes to life above the city. It lasted only a coupe of seconds, but it was enough to change the world.

Alright. Since I'll be busy until tomorrow, I (Mapguy) will post what I had mapped until Paint.NET fucked me hard and good.

- UIC: I used two colours, dark green and light green for this. Light green represented areas that were under tenuous control, either as semi-independent states under Caliphate authority (such as Iran) or as areas that were in open resistance against the Caliphate, but still under its nominal control (such as the Azawad and Sahara regions of North Africa, a hotbed of Maraboutism, which the UIC would consider highly heretical). Dark green meanwhile represented the "core areas", or areas under firm and direct UIC control.

DG: North Syria, South Iraq (i.e. minus Kurdistan), Khuzestan, all of the Arab Peninsula (probably should make Qatar & Kuwait LG but idk), Mali (minus Azawad), Egypt, North Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Libya, North Nigeria (i.e. minus Biafra), Pakistan, Afghanistan.

LG: Iran, the entire Maghreb, Sahara, Azerbaijan, Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Iraqi Kurdistan and Syrian Jazirah.

>>33108181
- EU: I only used one colour, light blue.

LB: all modern-day European Union territory minus the UK, with the tentative addition of Switzerland and Norway. I know both of these countries have no interest in joining the EU, and considering the thread/OP settled that the UK withdrew from the EU, I doubt the two vocal eurosceptic nations would feel all too inclined to join. Perhaps if the EU has undergone a definite structural reimagining. I don't know.

Addition of, as per thread discussion, Turkey.

>>33108233
- Russian Bloc:

For this, I used two colours again. Dark blue for Russia proper, grey-blue for Russian client states and sphere of influence.

DB: Russian Federation, with the addition of Crimea and tentatively the Donbass. OP felt like Russia didn't push that angle in this timeline, hence the tentative.

GB: all Central Asian states, Belarus, Ukraine, Armenia (plus Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhchevan), Georgia.

I am aware that Georgia is not easy to side with Russia; Russia has fucked Georgia over with vim and vigour in most of modern history. But with the Dagestanis, the Chechens and the Azeris as neighbours, Russian support might be welcome.

Same goes for the Ukraine. Not sure whether they'd fit in more with the EU or the RF in this case, to be quite honest. Depends on OP.

>>33108320
- Commonwealth

Not all that much of a map presence compared to the others, the Commonwealth consisted of dark red UK and light red India. A renewed Caliphate asserting itself in Pakistan would be nightmare enough for India to make a surprising, but formidable ally against the UIC, and by OP decision, the Commonwealth has strenghtened its internal ties to form an actual bloc.

I should notice that my map was focused entirely on Europe and the Middle East, hence the omission of many, many nations, including the US.

And there was a final colour: white, like an empty space on the map, for a roughly radial area comprising Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and southern Syria. Here is the Holy Land, and here you will find death and worse.

>>33108004
China is already heading toward this:

1. People in the Northeast and South start hating single-partisanship more and more because capitalism has spoiled them

2. Consideration of multiple parties goes strong, but is then shut down when party hardliners band together to oppose it.

3. Wealth keeps on concentrating around the port cities, while the rest of the country goes to shit because of less-productive industry and the worst pollution of which human beings are capable, but party hardliners keep hardlinin'

4. Widespread revolts in the countryside are put down by the army. Widespread riots in the cities are also put down by the army. The communist party begins hemorrhaging members.

5. Some fucker in the West of the country brings enough soldiers and weapons to his side to break away from the government, probably under the banner of Western style democracy, but maybe not.

6. Process repeats and repeats until Taiwan decides it's a good day to conquer Beijing, probably with unofficial U.S. support

7. Whether they are successful or not, China is now experiencing its third or fourth Warring States period. If the people holding the nukes decide not to unleash their arsenal (remember, this planet can only survive so many nuclear detonations before the EM field goes to shit), then it will be a massive mess where regimes rise and fall like dough, and people are slaughtered like cattle.

This is why they're not going to be steamrolling anyone.

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>>33103575
JUST LIKE THE GOOD OLE DAYS AFTER 9/11!

I'd make it play out more like a futuristic repeat of the Second and Third Crusades, except have it not end in a pathetic whimper.

Over the past thirty or so years, Israel has seen a massive resurgence of Christian and Catholic dominance in the wake of the turmoil caused by a loss of confidence in the government and abandonment by the international community. The peacekeeping force sent in to maintain order was funded in majority by the Vatican, and though it wasn't intended to, it gradually became a religious order in the spirit of the old knightly brotherhoods. The country is now a theocracy run by a democratically elected king, sort of how Rome used to run. The church embraced the new holy order that sprouted up, and use them as peacekeeping soldiers across the world, though they still maintain a large presence in the new Christian state.

Meanwhile, a brilliant and charismatic leader from Syria has begun uniting the bickering Islamic nations, using the reconquest of Jerusalem as a common goal that all parties can rally behind. He is deeply religious, and seeks to cleanse the Muslim world of the corruption and decadence which plague both its upper and lower classes, returning the middle east to the forefront of learning and culture. As he successfully brings the caliphate back together, both through diplomatic means and strength of arms, the Vatican warily sends troops to defend the new Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Shits about to get real like Kim Jong Il.

>>33108233
to make things more realistic IMO it would be good idea to fracture the EU and add Turkey to the Caliphate
like in:>>33107677

>>33108320
Belarus is pretty much Russia now, or at least its client state, but if some kind of pro-european revolution would broke out, it would not only antagonise Russia and EU further, but also Western and Eastern Balors could have become N and S Korea of europe.
Also you may add eastern ukraine to the russia - they have taken it as a retaliation form the loss of half of Belarus
Add to this some kind of peace treaty, kaliningrad oblast goes to EU and we have a second Iron Curtain, just further east. It also will permanently occupy a part of EU military.

>>33108381
>>33108406
British Commonwealth? Please. All GB could do in that situation is become neutral and isolated. The same goes with France, they would have neutral very quickly - so they wont have to do anything while they lick their wounds after losing everything they had in africa.
To further make it possible and isolated: China, India, Japan, US and Russia should squabble about Pacific Ocean - mb some kind of weird war? So normal hot war, just with private armies and countries officially not involved?
Plus the north pole - Russia and US are pretty much on each other throats already because of it.

>>33108572
A golden age, that. When you could literally kill anyone you wanted as long as you had an eagle in the picture with you.

Can Ethiopia into empire again?
Plz?

>>33096902
Shia would've got wiped out first as they have no interest in world conquest, whereas Sunni do and would thus be the ones pushing for it.

>>33106730
Belarus would welcome Russian annexation.

>>33099867
As a Jew, I find this entirely accurate, except for the word borderline

>>33096840
What if the US would create a weather control device and accidentally fry all the world's electronics with it?
Imagine - every single electronic device would cease functioning permanently.

>>33109200
I and many others could make more. Electronics aren't some magically fragile thing like on television.

>>33108951
>Copticfag
>into empire

Recognize the Chair of St. Peter, and we might consider it.

>>33097690
>Would the Orthodox church have the resources to sponsor a military force?
Maybe in directly, Putin seems to be a big fan of theirs.

>>33107897
Okay, here are my world events. []= IRL comments.

Invention of comprehensive anti-ballistic missile (ABM) technology – causes a shift in military policies around the globe.

SALT III: The invention of ABM tech leads to SALT III. Russia and China, despite early scepticism, are eager to pass the treaties, given the strength of their conventional forces. America is highly supportive, for reasons described below. The EU is likewise quick to adopt them, as they remove the nuclear spectre from the West. The Caliphate jumps at the chance to neuter the greatest threat to their security and the opportunity to stop the antagonistic and costly nuclear programs, greatly annoying Israel. India and Pakistan also grudgingly adopt the technology.

The Korean Crisis: ABM technology gets its first outing when South Korea, with substantial European support, uses it to break the stalemate. The campaign is a resounding, if horrific, success, and proves to the EU that war is not futile. The footage of the Allied forces liberating camps stirs the heart of Europe. Nukes are made completely ineffective, with the exception of the suicide device that flattened Pyongyang, prompting SALT III.

The Saudi Succession Crisis: The crisis threatened within the House of Saud for many years [honestly, it’s a ticking time bomb] finally drops. The great wealth and power of Saudi Arabia means that all across the Levant alliances and intrigue bloom. Canny political manoeuvring and a shocking move by the Governors of Mecca and Medina [both Princes btw] creates a precarious union across the Middle East. Demagogues and politicians use religion and the threat of the West and the East to unite the people into the Unified Islamic Nations. Careful manipulation keeps populations likely to feud away from each other, but a Jihad [lit: Struggle] must be quickly produced to distract the majority of the people. The Middle East is now rich, united and angry.

1/2 for Events

>>33109511
2/2 the last event couldn't fit

The Fall of Israel: The first target of the UIN is, unsurprisingly, the Holy Land. The highly militarized country puts up a good fight, even enacting the Samson Option – though this does little other than drawing the attention of the world to the conflict, but are massively outnumbered. They are unwilling to salt the holy earth – after all this isn’t the first time this has happened – but they swear revenge anyway. The EU and the US both support the Second Exodus, a massive humanitarian campaign to evacuate as much of the population as possible. The emergency nature of the operation means that they can only be moved a limited distance; Jewish refugees flood Europe and find allies with outraged Christians everywhere. In the shadows many “black projects” are also smuggled out of the country, and financial commitments are made by wealthy Jews to restore their homeland.

Just finishing what each country/area could be doing

>>33109411
>Ethiopia
>Copts
Tewahedo is a sister church to the copts, m8o

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>>33096840
How does the Swiss Guard figure into this?

>>33109671
Meh. They're just clowning around.

>>33096840
>not mentioning europe's nuclear weapons
>france and Israel not nuking this
>Russia not removing Kebab
>India not launching nukes
>China not nuking this
my sides have gone into deep space, we'll need the James Webb space Telescope to find them

>>33098604
The israelis have 200 nuclear weapons, advanced bombers, submarine platforms, and ICBM technology that can hit (Italy yes, London? Could be possible, Moscow probable).

You have no idea, Israel is literally built around "never again", this would trigger the Samson Option.

>>33099908
There is one nation not counting ex soviet territories that has given up its nuclear program, South Africa. If they did not... Arphetied might not have ended!

>>33097752
If Charlemagne is an aircraft carrier, there should be some type of aircraft named after Roland.

>>33109561
Also, you all forget one thing.

Turkey.

Turkey rises, and would fight every islamist, you all are so.. ignorant about the middle east it hurts

>>33109954
Didn't Turkey just finish ripping itself apart with Greece-tier riots?

>>33109954
And you need to read the damn thread. We agreed ages ago that Anatolia has rejoined Europe.

>>33096840
Also, OP, you forget one thing.

Submarines. The US, European Union, and Israeli submarine forces can and will launch attacks on any transports in the middle east, and worst comes to worse... some idiot would launch biological weapons to devastate the middle east in a suicidal attack

>>33109671
They'd probably be reorganized into an actual modern outfit to prottect the Pope.

>>33109986
Those riots were minor, I was just there helping out with some training. The military and critical infrastructure is quite secure. Stop listening to Quatari propaganda (Al Jizera is propaganda).

This also assumes expats like myself would let this invasion stand. If this scenario happens I would go back to the homeland and inherit what is mine but I can't take due to work, and design ..advanced weapons.. lets just say that to remove the islamists. You all think holy war is fictional. My homeland has and is under attack by radical islamists. Muslims are savages and need to be removed, but that's a long drawn out argument

>>33109954
Why did you highlight my post for this one?
Hell, my ideas are widely divergent from the rest of the thread (I got about a third of the way down, stopped, had ideas, read the rest) but it's generally agreed that Turkey joins the EU

>>33110199
Its just, a lot of this stuff is related to my job, so these all don't either make sense or show no one on /tg/ knows about warfare, logistics, oil politics, proven reserves, physics.. the list goes on.

>>33110253
It started with the concept of a future crusade dude.
Stop taking it, and yourself ("expats like myself would let this invasion stand", c'mon) quite so seriously.

>>33096840
UN/NATO intervention long before 2034, if shit keeps getting worse for another 20 years. And how does the technologically, numerically, logistically, and militarily (and so on) inferior adversary even get to the point of preparing an invasion of Europe?

>>33096840
The rest of the world puts together a coalition force and stomps the UIC into the sand. Of all the permanent members on the Security Council, not one wants a Middle East dominated by a militantly Islamist superstate that funds global terrorism. Neither does Iran, Assad's regime, Turkey, Pakistan, Israel, Egypt, the EU, India, etc. Unless the Islamists manage to pull off the greatest PR stunt ever, they're not gonna be allowed to sit down and get their shit together for long enough to seriously threaten Europe with invasion.

Okay I'm back. I was just reading those posts about Kibbutznikim teenagers fucking everything that moves and I had to... go do... something... Anyone know if they like goyim?

Anyway.

>>33107677
I don't know about the UIC being in Spain, Corsica, The Balkans or Turkey. With the first three I'd think that an invasion of them by the Caliphate would cause a response from Europe. And as for Turkey I pictured them remaining a secular society and joining the European nations to fight the Caliphate.

Although come to think of it, aren't the Balkans partly Muslim? Maybe that could be one of the proxy wars that is going on with the West supplying the Christian Balkan fighters and the UIC supplying the Muslims. Lots of nasty ethnic cleansing going on.

Also I'm not sure about Russia having advanced into Ukraine other than still retaining the Crimea. Though if what this fellow >>33109038 says is true then maybe Belarus has joined Russia by now.

>>33107585
>>33107872
>>33107962
So are there two different tribes living in the Israel/Palestine wastelands? Or are they both the same tribe?

>>33107944
I would like to include mecha cause I think they're cool but since I want to keep a certain level of realism I'll only include them if there is a reason to exist that doesn't require too big a suspension of disbelief. Maybe they've developed some sort of huge ballistic shield that can stop tank shells but only mechas can carry them? If not then perhaps some sort of personal heavy armour would do.

>>33107960
I do like the idea of having the Russians be non-stereotypical villians but what would the motivation for the Russian corp-state to keep the war between Europe and the UIC going for as long as possible?

>>33108004
What if China is too busy colonizing Africa? I have a cousin who lives in South Africa and he was telling me about how for the past ten years while the West has been distracted by the Iraq and Afganistan wars and then the recession. Continued...

>>33111178
>>33108004
Continued...
Chinese corporations have been quietly taking over resource rich areas of Africa. So maybe in this scenario they are devoting their energies towards actually conquering Africa and sending over colonists in order provide the Chinese population with jobs and livelihood and to keep them from revolting. Maybe as well they are conducting small scale wars against their less powerful Asian neighbours in order to distract the dissatisfied Chinese people with military glory, also to prevent revolt.

>>33096840
Then nothing ever comes of it, since nuclear weapons are a thing

>>33111302
>Thinks Chinese colonists could handle colonization
>Thinks china has a logistics chain, or system that can support long range operations

The Chinese set up a factory, send 10 engineers, and take resources somewhere else.

>>33111302
Hey OP, >>33107864 here.

Done events and national/area summaries. Called the caliphate the UIN meh.

Thoughts and oppinions

Events
>>33109511
>>33109561

The EU: uniting in the face of adversity and slow economic recovery to oppose the threat in the east (first Russia, later the UIN) Europe also sees a religious resurgence and a rise in militarism, particularly after the successes of the EU task force in Korea. As the US looks inward Europe looks ever stronger and more united, and increased internal arms trade and development stimulates the economy, for a time. The rise of the UIN and the Fall of Israel shocks and appals the Union, but it strikes something in the hearts of the people. The newly elected pope calls Christians of the world to unite. Added to Turkey’s admittance to the Union, anti-Muslim feelings are high, though careful manipulation focusses hatred on the organised religion, not the beliefs itself. For various reasons (popular, economic and personal) the major governments back the Popes movement, assembling a task force to retake the Holy Land. Europe’s weapons are first class, and little expense is spared in arming the Crusaders.

UIN: in the wake of the crises and successes the United Islamic States stands proud and tall, joined by faith, strength and (dwindling) oil wealth. The union is strong on the surface, but contains many disparate elements only united by the jihad. The antagonism fostered by the collected leadership barely binds the groups together, but the threats coming from Europe justify the raising of new armies and increased military spending. The UIN military is a curious thing: the well-equipped elites of the wealthy states fight alongside the levied masses, with support from veteran irregulars who live up to the heritage of bloodshed behind them. Much of their regular equipment dates from the wind-down of the American military machine, while their elites are given the best technology oil-funded R&D can produce.

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>>33111529
USA: after the debacles in the 2000’s, the gradual dying off of the war-hawks and leaders of the military-industrial complex and a (secretly sabotaged by deep cover agents) Conservative election campaign that makes Romney look like Reagan, America greatly reduces military spending, and concentrates mainly on defence. SALT III is used as an excuse to scale back spending and re-focus the military on small action groups, humanitarian response and homeland defence. A lot of materiel is mothballed, though with the rise in evangelism and radicalism the Eagle Corps (harkening back to the Eagle Squadrons of WWII) is founded and equipped from the armoury of the sleeping superpower, under religious authority. There are divisions, battalions and companies of Baptists, Evangelicals and Catholics, all united in stopping the Caliphate in the east and joining the Pope’s crusade.

South America (including Mexico): The tensions following the formation of the UIN greatly worried the rising “second world” economies of the Americas, and the exploitation of alternative oil sources created a wedge between them and the Middle East. The deeply Catholic nature of the Americas means they are ready and willing to answer the call when the Pope declares a crusade. Despite the distance support is strong, and task forces are drawn up to engage the UIN, strongly committed to opposing the Islamic threat. New money, domestic experience and American sell-offs have equipped the crusaders well physically and technologically, though the scale of the campaign potentially poses problems for the faithful soldiers.

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>>33111563
Africa: with crises and tension between the Islamic north and the Christian centre and south the situation in Africa was slowly coming to a head when the Pope called the Crusade. Backed by investors from both sides, Africa sees both the clash of terrorists and second line units, and the steady deployment of large units of fervent crusaders formalised under co-governmental, co-papal control. United in the cause they are a ponderous but powerful force surging north from the heart of Africa, equipped and ready for a long and gruelling campaign.

Russia: after securing territorial growth on the edge of Eastern Europe, Russia looks for greater expansion, though in the wake of recent militarism in Europe they seek a shroud of legitimacy for protection. The Orthodox Church experiences resurgence, both in and out of Russia, and offers the Russian leadership an opportunity to achieve its goals by supporting their forces and supporting the Papacy by attacking the Caucasus (and beyond). The Orthodox troops are equipped, and their numbers are bolstered by the army, but Russia technically remains unaligned, despite gaining territory and political capital with Europe.

The Far East: East Asia remains largely neutral, with Korea and China responding to the fallout from the Korean Crisis and internal struggles. Japan is building up the JDF in response to mainland tensions, but the general focus in the area is internal problems and maintaining the economy. The looming depression has been stalled, at least temporarily, by lending to Europe and increasing Pacific trade, though the Suez Canal issue remains a problem.

India and Pakistan continue their cold war, though Pakistan allies with the UIN, raising tensions in the area. The general increase in militarism is seen here too, for protection if nothing else.

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>>33108406
I like this I hope you will be able to post a pic version of it at some point. The UIC sounds good with non-Sunni territories being difficult to control.

Not sure whether to fracture the EU more like this anon >>33108710 suggests or not. Would be too difficult for Europe to realistically resist both the Caliphate and the machinations of the Russians if it were devided? Also if the EU were to fracture how would it be separated? I know that Britain is sceptical about being in the EU but I'm not sure how a lot of the other European nations feel about it and what kind of power blocs they would separate into if they did leave the EU.

The Russian Bloc sounds good except for the inclusion of the Ukraine. From what I understand the Ukraine or at least the western half of the Ukraine doesn't want to join Russia so I'd think it would take a war for Russia to get its hands on it, which I think Russia wants to avoid at this point

As for the Commonwealth I'd also include Canada, Australia and New Zealand in light red. I think the reason the US is staying out of the conflict right now might be because its engaged in a second Civil War. So Canada and Australia start developing stronger trade and diplomatic links with Britain in case the US goes down. Plus I'm an Anglophone Canadian of British descent and the idea of a restored Empire in Commonwealth form gives me an erection.

China
This sounds like a good idea. I've been AFK for a bit and I'm responding to each post in turn, so if you'll scroll down you'll see I had an idea about an increasingly authoritarian china that's using militarism, foreign conquest, and colonialism to keep its population from revolting. But I like your ideas too.

What do you anons think would be more likely? That China stays together through militarism or that it breaks up into civil war?

>>33108951
Someone suggested earlier that Africa has become a massive warzone with Christian and Muslims ethnically cleansing one another. I like the sound of this idea. Perhaps with a militaristic China picking off countries one by one on a colonisation spree. I'd think Ethiopia would have allied itself with neighbouring Christian African nations to prevent being conquered by Muslim ones and by the UIC. (I'm not sure which African nations are Christian and which are Muslim)

>>33109200
Too silver age.

>>33109671
Bioengineered super soldiers/assassins.

>>33109736
Not many nukes are launched because 1. No one but the Israelis are crazy enough to destroy all life on earth. 2. if we did there would be no story.

>>33109792
We dealt with this, the Israelis trigger the Samson Option and do destroy a number of cities which trigger a worldwide great depression, but the American manage to stop most of the missiles and save the world from being completely destroyed.

>>33109954
>>33109986
>>33110051
Its been decided that Turkey has joined Europe and will fight against the UIC.

>>33111175
See >>33106908

Whew its hard to respond to all of these. Particularly since I can't stop thinking about oversexed Israeli teenagers.

>>33112454
Splitting the EU is a complicated business OP
First off, most countries have a nationalistic front that basically thinks "why do we have to pay for those lazy/striking/corrupt/wasteful/not-us foreigners" and "why do we have to pay for the guys in Brussels"
As much as I, a brit, agree with the EU I can't condone the huge cost imposed by the parliament and MEPs. I also have difficulties with the fact that the books have NEVER been successfully audited to anyone's satisfaction

Major groups they split into could include: the more wealthy countries joining up together to be stronk, all the countries seriously in debt leaving so they don't have to pay, alliances by geography (East/West or North/South) and Major powers with debtor "clients"

I too have a minor hard-on for the (British) Empire Strikes Back. I'm also >>33107864, any thoughts on what I've said?

>>33098784
>Nah I'd prefer it to be continuation of RL events.
>So I want to explore what would happen if we continued down that path what would the world look like, and ask ourselves is this really the sort of world we want to live it. So I want to make it a realistic world.

OP, it is painfully obvious that you don't understand what's going on the other side of the world, or how political systems and governments work, or the military, or...well you get the idea. It seems like you're (again, almost painfully) earnest about this, but you really, really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Your premise is bound up in a delusional, highly politicized narrative about 'extremism' and clash of civilizations narratives (also, what's that book about the rise of extremism you mentioned - just like to confirm a hypothesis here). You're interested in examining the failures of both 'Left' and 'Right' but have no clue what the actual positions on either side are, nor why they hold them. Your vision of the future, even bound up in a (again, highly fantastic) nuclear exchange, fails human psychology, economics, and more.

Stick to giant mecha and stuff, OP. If you're going to make the situation an utter fantasy, you might as well make it a fun fantasy as opposed to a terrible caricature.

Also: you do know that the Crusades were a bunch of Christians coming together to invade the Holy Land because money and politics, right? That recasting the Crusades and Crusade iconography as the defense against the Evil Invading Muslim Hordes is terrible on pretty much every level?

>>33113524
Way to quote mine.
Are you the Muslim-hating, Turkey-wanking "muh job" trainer from before?

>>33113017
Rule Britannia! I've read them and I'm mulling them over. Its taking awhile to respond to all these posts. Plus its bloody hot today and I keep having to go lie down in the basement to cool off. Though in brief I like some of the ideas you have. I've been getting so many ideas from people on how the future situation might unfold and a lot of the are good and I'm having trouble deciding between some of them.

>>33113524
I don't know what to tell you man. It makes sense to me based on what I know of the world and what I've experienced and all that. If it doesn't jibe with you and what you think there's not much I can do about that.

Also the historian in me has to point out that say that the Crusades were solely about money and politics is a rather shallow explanation. If for no other reason than to say that any historical event has only one cause or reason is far too simplistic an interpretation. Yeah money and power were part of it, but things like faith, the desire to make the world a better place, to defend one's fellow Christians also played a part. Its not black and white.

Oh and the books I finished reading were The Looming Tower By Lawrence Wright which looks at how the Islamic Fundamentalist movement was formed and why Osama bin Laden attacked America.

http://www.amazon.ca/The-Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road/dp/1400030846

and

Do Not Ask What Good We Do by Robert Draper. Which looks at the Red/Blue conflict in the U.S congress and how it make it difficult to get anything done.

http://www.amazon.ca/Not-Ask-What-Good-Representatives/dp/1451642083/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404176980&sr=1-1&keywords=Do+not+ask+what+good+we+do

Also I think you might be taking things too seriously.

>>33113864
I don't know who you're taking about. I'm fine with Muslims in general, but fundamentalists of any stripe worry me.

>>33114324
Sorry OP, I was talking about the guy who was in/from Turkey and didn't like the thread. People going around calling threads on future stuff on /tg/ ignorant pisses me off, especially ones with such a clear not-gonna-happen premise.

Also I've been drinking, and sort of got "into" this thread a bit late.

It never gets too hot here (though 99% of houses don't have aircon), so I wish you luck keeping cool. Or at least that you can get a laptop/smartphone so you can 4chan in the cool (I've posted images, albeit slowly, from a phone. Anyone who whines is a pussy)

Happy deciding in canadaland, I've been assured it's pretty beautiful over there.

>>33114916
>especially ones with such a clear not-gonna-happen premise

People on /tg/ discussing things that aren't going to happen, couldn't have happened, didn't happen - because those things are cool - that's one thing.

But it seems OP here legitimately thinks that this sort of shit can happen which is, well, fantasy. And not of the fun kind that involves dragons and shit.

>>33099161
The US has a pretty decent number of Catholics, and besides the fact that any major geopolitical threat to Western Europe (and a lot of Eastern Europe, too) is a threat to them. Unless NATO's stopped existing.

>>33100208
>The UIC possesses all the oil resources of the middle east. The US can't just stop buying oil from them without grinding to a halt

Okay, the first statement is fucking false. If anything, What will cause the war is the US NO LONGER NEEDING Arab-controlled oil. The Bakken Reserve will do for us.

Which means all of us hardcore Protestants , with thirty plus years of hatred and bile in our bellies will be more than willing to march to Jerusalem.

We MIGHT even do it without turning Germany into her Thirty Years War self again.

>>33099832
Fuck yeah, tech-jannissaries.

>>33106017
FUCK. YES.

Failing that, Crusader pattern BOLO Mark I's

>>33115091
I've not seen any sign of that.
A potential starting point, from books he's recently read, sure.
But there's no more realism here than in the CSA thread the other day.
It's all speculation that requires the world to do a billion-and-one things right, including people's emotions. Ergo, not going to happen.

Most people aren't nuts

>>33107960
Third Sino-Japanese War? Now with 95% less experimentation?

>>33108681
Does Prince William honor his Angevin ancestor's oath to take Jerusalem?

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>>33115723
But also with 87% more sexual exploitation!

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Okay I have to go to bed again. Only got five hours of sleep last night and I've been sitting at the computer all day. I hope this thread is still around when I wake up, I really appreciate all the interest everyone is showing.

Sorry to make you wait Mapanon but my brain is friend right now and I can't form my thoughts on your ideas into a coherent order. I will do so tomorrow.

I found another piece of art by the way.

Night all.

>>33116360
Bump for God and the Church!

>>33116360
Curse ye and sleep well, canadanon!

Bump from an amused (and intrigued) israelfag.

>>33117443
Bumpan for great justice!

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>>33111178
>I do like the idea of having the Russians be non-stereotypical villians but what would the motivation for the Russian corp-state to keep the war between Europe and the UIC going for as long as possible?

1.) Natural resources export. I doubt that muslims would willingly sell their oil to the infidels. Fuel prices would probably skyrocket 300 to 500%. Russians have a lot of oil with huge deposits of it being unrentable due to difficulties with excavation. But things are going to change once the oil prices rise up making those deposits extremely profitable. Also, Arctics. Isolationist US and weakened EU = undisputed control over northern continental shelf (well, or the place that Russians would declare as continental shelf)
2.) Selling armaments. To both sides of the conflict, using proxy-states and whatnot. Corporations like Rosoboronexport would profit greatly from such a prolonged conflict.
3.) Using private corps armies as mercenaries (or under the guise of UN peacekeepers) to fulfill their goals and keep their troops sufficiently trained.
4.) Using the threat of being dragged into an apocalyptic religious war as a mean to retain control over population and to brutally suppress any dissent (not that it's going to be a lot of dissent in such scenario, I suppose, but still).

>>33098533
>Sassanids
>Muslim

Bumping for crusaders

>Not knowing what Islam defines as a "Jihad"
The "lesser" Jihad (as in physical warfare) is always supposed to be fought in DEFENSE of Islam, and only when there's no other choice. Wars of conquest are not Jihads, although they may be wrongfully labeled as such (much in the same way the Crusades were deemed holy and in the name of religion, but were mostly fought for land and resources). Also, gonna conquer me some infidel lands.

>>33123934
The word means struggle.
In a classical context, and here, it means to strugglw against those who don't believe in allah

Tell us more about European/UIC/Israeli equipment/tactics and more recent battles OP

OP don't go for the mecha route, it'd be more realistic to have Power armour for elite units than mech's, and as people have said tanks tend to do better than them.

Here's a question though, does the UIC have a vatican equivalent? is there a new Caliph who is the spiritual leader of the UIC?

Also someone asked why it was that the church was being in charge of this Templar organisation and not a government or military force. Here's one way: In the aftermath of the samson option, European government's were shattered many of them in their entirety as the capitals were targeted, however thanks to the grace of god (and missile defences) one of the few european capitals to escape unscathed is rome and by extension the vatican, which immediately issues a call to all christians to help each other. This call and the support around it forms the initial framework for European humanitarian missions that governments as they slowly come back into being and organise themselves also use, churches and cathedrals become staging and rallying points for the devastated society and Europe rebuilds.

In the aftermath the church is fondly remembered as the ones who got stuff done and urged the governments into action, even for the countries where Catholicism had been fading it has a huge resurgence in support for those "Doing God's work".

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So, taking a quick glance at the thread (since it looks interesting but it's pretty long and I have no time) I see than you're caliphate is pretty unrealistic. I know that, since we hear in the news is about Syria and Irak, and to a lesser degree Iran and Saudia Arabia, those are all attractive places to start it all. But it makes no sense to mix them all. While Arabia Saudi is a good place to lead a jihadist state (not against the west, but that's another story and can be easily solved) Irak and Syria are not, and Iran is just silly.

You are underestimating the enmity between suni and shia, and even between sects of those two. You're also not keeping in mind that in the XXI century, just like in Europe and the western world, the muslim world has culture first and religion later. A more realistical caliphate should be something like the arabic union (see the picture), maybe without the subsaharian countries. As you see, Irak and Syria would be actually frontier countries, probably in a constant state of war.

Turkey should be, as I see here already, part of the western world, unless it is the leader of the caliphate. Iran, that is nowadays close to be a modern shia caliphate, should actually be enemy with the UIC, basically what Russia is for the EU. You can invent than the USA is now friends with Iran since they lost the alliance with Saudi Arabia and Israel is menaced (those two countries are what make Iran and the USA enemies), having a strong Iran, or you can make Iran allies with Russia, who wants to revive his colonialism in the area, having a weak Iran. Being seriously menaced by the UIC, it's logical than the shia would ally with Russia or the West instead of the suni.

>>33114324
>>33112924
>>33113017
OP please - don't make it more complicated than it has to be. There are especially couple of things:
1. no one wants back to the Commonwealth now, so in 30 years time no one will want either.
2. leave China, US, Indian and pretty much rest of the world out of it. Even if EU will get its shit together and instead of wet dreaming about gay rights, focus on some real problems, like depopulation, it wont stand a chance against the China. And we are talking about China in 30 years.
3. Fracturing of EU:

Economical crisis continues rich North realizes that they don't really care about poor South that much.
Meanwhile Germany decides that being dependent from Emperor Putinator is not a good deal and strengthens its ties to Poland. They may even create some kind of German-Polish Commonwealth as they their economies are already closely tied to each other. All Germans have to do is stop being douchebag to Poland. Plus some things they would have to do anyway if they don't want to die out: so welcome back the traditional values. .
And so we have it German-Polish Commonwealth with its interests aimed east. They would concentrate on gaining Shale gas and oil, and so they would have been conflicted with Russia.

People in the south decide that they have enough and split from the North creating their own Union. In time it becomes the Second Roman Empire. But inside it the two main political factions, national-socialists and catholic-socialists continue to squabble.

When the uprising on Belarus breaks out German-Polish Commonwealth requests that the EU would support the freedom fighters - but Great Britain and France accuse the GPC that all they care about are natural resources and vote against it. And so the EU once again breaks apart on the Western European Union and the European Federation lead by the GPC.

In mean time, when the old Europe is busy getting its shit together, the Caliphate rises to power on the middle east.

>>33124084
You make a good point - I was thinking, maybe there could have appeared some New Prophet. Muslim people would have believed that he is making miracles and stuff and would eventually unite under his banner?

>>33124084

FYI, Sudan has now split in half. The south decided they would rather be central african, rather than part of the arab world. Kinda says something.

>>33097045
>sunnis allowing Shia to practice.

You do realize that Muslims Are FAR less tolerant of heretics (sunni for Shia and vice versa) than of Christians and Jews, right?

If not you should probably have researched Muslims better before attempting to write a setting with muslims as The Main antagonists...

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>>33124084
I'd rather play in your setting than ops, keep going dude.

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>>33124472
Thanks
although I am the European dude >>33124401

>>33124084
after reading your post I began to wonder, what if muslim world would have its own civil war and from that the Caliphate would emerge?
Plus I vote for Turkey being the leader

>>33124472
We're not the same person, if you were impliying that. I can't write a setting for /tg/ because english is not my mother language and I don't feel myself comfortable writing in english.

>>33124454
This is because islam is not only a religion but also a "political movement", and the heresies have origins in the political aspect, not the religious.

>>33124453
Oh, yes, I'm sorry. But well, I would not include even North Sudan to the caliphate. It would be a proxy state at best.

>>33124435
Theoretically yes, that's what's supposed to happen in the future if you agree with islam. Realistically, in the XXI century, not. The two major sects (and probably the minor ones, but fuck me if I know) have important disagreements about certain features concerning to that promised "prophet" (it also should be noted that the last prophet is muhammad, so this new guy would not really be a prophet).

In conclusion, if you want to create that, a dude who can unite the suna and the shia, and make it a little realistic, you would need a serious study of islamic law and tradition of both sides. Since you obviously don't have that, I would recommend making the caliphate just suni and arab. It would be way easier to make it realistic. Keep in mind that, despite that >>33124454 is right, culture is more important. Arabs, turks and iranian/persians hate each other. Some of them probably hate the other more than the jews, the west, etc. because they're historical enemies and they have opressed and warred each other for a lot of years. In the irak-iran war, shia arabs didn't wanted to side with Jomeini because he was a shia leader, yes, but was persian (of course, there were other factors, but this was one of them).

>>33124592
I would agree. If all the muslim world is united, Turkey would be the head.

But, leaving aside that it's not probable (neither it is having modern crusaders, but it's acceptable because this is fiction after all), we would need more time. If one wants an united muslim world, the year of the setting can't be 2034 unless you also make big changes in the previous history. It would be an unstable country created and mantained with blood, probably unable to seriously attack the west in the XXI century.

>>33124634
Don't give up wise Anon! Keep posting.

>>33124675
What do you want me to post?

>>33124669
you have a point, but the year is not yet set, it might as well be 2066

>>33111178
If this thread is still alive two days from now by the time I get back home from the base here, OP, I have some stories about oversexed kibbutznikim straight from the source you might like.

>>33098383
Fuck yeah, Denmark

>>33124669
Could time (2060's/70's), realpolitik and maybe something that would affect the entire Islamic world create an unstable hegemony?

I suggwsted the succession crisis of the House of Saud and a power grab by the governors of mecca and medina earlier(though I appreciate you might not have caught it in this big-ass thread)

>>33124694
When I was saying "we would need more time", I was not talking about a few decades. More like a century or two.

>>33124817
I'm not an expert, but in my opinion, the fall of the house of Saud would just make Egypt be the indisputable leader of the arab world. While this is a good occasion for Egypt to grow as an hegemonic power, the first among arabs, it would not be benefical if what we want is to extend the caliphate beyond the arab world. In fact, Turkey and Iran probably would benefit a lot if the house of Saud falls and the arabs fight each other. All this considering than the USA does not intervene to put a Saud House 2: Freedom Bogaloo.

>>33124675
>>33124669
>>33124634

I have some ideas about the Caliphate but as you have said yourself I lack the knowledge, so pls give it a look, also some other ideas:
- year 2021 - the Second Great Depression - worlds economics falls apart, US decide to leave the Europe to its faith and focus on the Pacific region where they can see better possibilities. German-Polish Commonwealth is created.
- year 2023 - EU breaks in two and the Mediterranean Union comes into existence;
- year 2024 - a mysterious figure emerges in the middle east. Called by his followers the Last Prophet, he travels the muslim worlds doing miracles.
- year 2025 - the Last Prophet dies in an assassination attempt while preaching on the streets of Kabul. Bothe Sunni and Shia accuse each the other about it. The muslim civil war breaks out.
- year 2027 - uprising on Belarus breaks out. EU falls apart. The Western European Union and the United European Federation, lead by the GPC, come into existence. Half Year war between Russia and UEF takes place. Creation of the New Iron Curtain.
- year 2028 - Putin becomes the First Emperor of the New Russian Empire. War between the Nordic Union and the NRE breaks out.
- year 2030 - peace treaty between NU and the NRE is signed. NU declares neutrality and allies itself with WEU. Conflict between the MU and UEF takes place. People of Balkans decide to side with the MU and so the UEF forces are driven out. Second Roman Empire comes into existence. Civil War in the muslim world continues.
- year 2032 - start of the Apocalypse War between China and India. Millions will die on both sides, even as no atomic weapons will be use. NRE sides with India, US remains neutral as its busy with problems in South America.
- year 2037 - the Apocalypse War ends with a stalemate. Eastern Asia is largely devastated.
- year 2038 - One Day War between China and Japan, Taiwan becomes US protectorate.
- year 2039 - war between WEU and UEF brakes out.

>>33124711
Not OP but rquestin it anyway

>>33124827
let's just trash that idea then, I mean Muslim attacking

>>33125059
mb it should be something like that:

- year 2039 - war between WEU and UEF brakes out. It will drag on for ten years, as neither side is ready and willing to fully commit itself. .
- year 2049 - end of the war between WEU and UEF, UEF conquers Denmark.
- year 2051 - Muslim Civil War comes to an end. After 26 ears of bloody fighting Shia have been almost driven to extinction. But with victory close at hand Sunni factions start to squabble among themselves. Realizing their weakness Second Roman Empire declares the 10th Crusade. The pretext is the danger that unified muslim world presents to the Holy Land, and to the Israel, who managed to survive that long by helping Sunni against the Shia.
After the initial success the Crusade comes to the halt do to surprisingly strong resistance, because nothing unifies people as good as a common enemy.

>>33124711
>>33125482
please don't

>>33125699
Why not?

>>33124711
If its lewd then type the story into a pastebin and post the link here?

>>33125059
The problem with that "Last Prophet" is that the last prophet is Muhammad and saying otherwise is just going out of the Islam. Call it the Mahdi or Guided One (it's the same, the first is in arab). The Mahdi is a figure in muslim religion that more or less fits with what you're looking for. He is a dude who comes just before the arrival of Jesus and, helped by Jesus, unites the world. He is a common figure in both suna and shia (but the sunis say that he is a new dude while the shiites say that he is the 12th and last Imam, who returns to save them).

Do some research about the Mahdi, the wikipedia article in english is actually pretty cool and could be enough. I have to insist than he is gonna be very useful if you want an united muslim world.

The problem is that you should not kill him since the death of all the dudes who have proclaimed to be the Mahdi in history normally has lead to the inmediate defeat of the project.

>>33125059
that is so much shit to happen in 20 years, I think this would take 40 or 50 minim.

>>33125680
who has been supplying Muslim states with equipment? Are they equipped with cutting edge Russian stuff...from 2020? Has there been major increase in military industries in Iran? Surely us Americans, despite being "neutral" have been making a killing selling arms to one Muslim faction or another.

>>33125783
well his name is not relevant and can be changed so thanks :)
also he was only a plot hook to start all out war between Sunni and Shia

>>33125875
the Great Depression started in 1930s 20 years later were 1950s I think in that period of time lots of stuff happened actually

plus US is not neutral, it just abandoned europe to its faith because you are too busy putting down fires everywhere else - especially in easter asia and south america.

>>33125733
It ain't actually all that, if you had in mind that I'll share some extremely detailed story of how I banged two dairy maids at once. Just funny anecdotes about weird shit I've seen or talked to them about I don't feel like typing on my phone. Sorry to disappoint.

>>33125901
Make that Mahdi sunni and you already have a plot hook to start an all out war between sunni and shia. Keep in mind than the Islamic Republic of Iran is literally a shia state. Iran has never been agresive, but if you create a big sunni Caliphate they may attack. Or maybe it's the caliphate itself who attacks iran, after all a shia state would be intolerable for a sunni caliphate (the ottoman sunni caliphate and safavid shia kingdom were fierce enemies) the jihad can start with the heresy and then, when Iran inevitably loses (maybe the sunni minorities help the jihadists?) be moved to the west.

>>33126130
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ugx38wxA

>>33126332
btw Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant declared today a creation of caliphate with Abu Bakr Al-Bagdadi as its ruler.
The aim of the caliphate is to unite muslims around the world.

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