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You return back to town, and rumors of the villagers who fought to the death have spread. Some of the popularity of your force falls and a few grumblings are here and there. It seems Dong Xi was a relatively well-known warrior around the area and his brave fall has ignited some displeasure within the populace. You think to govern the area for a week to raise support.

The next few days are spent managing the town, improving it, and meeting with peasants to fulfill their requests. With your average skill in political ability and charismatic flair, support rises for you only slight amount.

One day an old man visits you. He falls to his knees, tears in his eyes and informs you that one of your soldiers raped and beat his daughter. You remember that you have strictly forbidden this, and call upon the soldier who is accused of the act. The soldier fearfully falls to the floor and begs forgiveness.

“I had too much to drink last night, and was not thinking straight. I barely even remember the girl, please forgive me General!” he says with tears falling down, and shivering. He is young and not older than yourself.

What do you do?
>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed
>Have him flogged as punishment
>Pardon him, and ask the old man for forgiveness

Roll 1d100, avg of 4, lowest roll dropped.

Awesome

Rolled 45

>>33259564

>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

Rolled 82

>>33259564
>>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

No exception.

Rolled 60

>>33259564
>>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

The military law must be obeyed.

Rolled 35

>>33259564
>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

Rolled 31

>>33259564
>The next few days are spent managing the town, improving it, and meeting with peasants to fulfill their requests. With your average skill in political ability and charismatic flair, support rises for you only slight amount.

This is where our cha is needed.

>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

Rolled 69

>>33259564
>Execute him, the law must be upheld

Should we investigate this first?

Rolled 62

Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

>>33259643

What is there to investigate? He confessed. There's no question of fact here, it's a matter of meting out punishment.

Rolled 1

>>33259564
>Have him flogged as punishment
We don't want to piss off our soldiers or the villagers.

Rolled 3

>>33259643

He has all but admitted to it already.

I don't think we need to investigate further.

>>33259564

>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

Order the execution.

The only way he gets a stay of execution.

Is if the old man agrees to forgive him and commute his sentence to flogging.

He should not be begging us for forgiveness but that of the old mans!

Rolled 69

>>33259729
>He should not be begging us for forgiveness but that of the old mans!
Oh, true, have Xing say this

>>33259729
>Order the execution.
>The only way he gets a stay of execution.
>Is if the old man agrees to forgive him and commute his sentence to flogging.
>He should not be begging us for forgiveness but that of the old mans!

Holy shit, this.

>>33259702
No, we must let him die.
Even Cao Cao punished himself for disobeying the law, and ordered his servants to kill him.

>>33259564
>>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed

>>33259729

I'm going to respectfully disagree.

This man must be made an example of. Our soldiers will know the consequences of disobeying the military law, and our people will know us to be a just governor.

If the old man lets him off, the people will suspect corruption because of our low reputation.

The man must die.

>>33259564
>“I had too much to drink last night, and was not thinking straight.

EXECUTE HIM. At this point, we have to lead by example to show that we are not above tradition and military law.

>Execute him, the laws must be obeyed.

>>33259758
>>33259729
This.
But old man will kill him anyway.
We should also use some taels of our gold to satiate the family

>>33259788
>We should also use some taels of our gold to satiate the family

I would support this course of action.

Although it would be nice if raian could inform us as to the regular pay scale of peasants and soldiers so we know whats a reasonable amount to pay.

>>33259751
Seconded.

Although threaten that this is his ONLY warning and if he steps out of line again (if the old man chooses to forgive him) then it's OFF WITH HIS HEAD.

>>33259823
We could give the pay to the executed soldier as an apology to the family

>>33259823
I remember 10,000 Taels of gold were something like 367 year's pay for a town's official.

>>33259823

No, that's going way too much into tiny picky details. Just say "compensate reasonable amount" for simplicity's sake.

>>33259866
HAH.
HAHAHAHAHA.

>>33259866
>We could give the pay to the executed soldier as an apology to the family
What's a dead guy going to with the money?

Actually, you're right.. Switching my vote from
>>33259849

To execute, and give the family money

>>33259913

He might have had a family to support.

>>33259938

Probably shouldn't have raped a girl and disobeyed our direct orders then.

>>33259913
Wups I meant use the executed soldiers pay as a gift to the victims family

>>33259954

Oh im not disputing that.

Its just that if he does have a family. His family is still entitled to his pay and we shouldnt deprive them of it.

Oh just wondering, does anyone know what happened in quest 7? I missed it so I read up on suptg but it ended abruptly right when we were about to fight the man with the halberd. What happened afterwards? Was there another thread after that?

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You stomp your feet to the ground, and rise, raising a hand in the air.

"I have strictly made it law that no person of these lands would be harmed," you state angrily and out loud. "How am I to maintain order and peace if I should excuse those who go against my word? How can I face my ancestors when I go back on my claims? Guards, take this man away and have him executed. Let his head be displayed outside these halls as an example! Give a small pouch of coins to this man as compensation for his daughter."

"General! Please, I have a wife and two kids!" the soldiers cries as he is dragged away.

Your command and authority rings out loud enough for people to accept your decision and not complain. Gao Shun who has been diligently standing guard near the corner nods in approval.

The old man bows.

"Thank you General! Thank you! Justice was seen here today!"

Word of your deed spreads, and the support of your forces rise.

--------------------------------------------------

The next day, you are working on some documents. A lot of the details and complications slightly frustrate you. A knock comes to your door, and Song Xian comes in smiling with a bottle of wine.

"General! You are working far too much, why not rest awhile and have a drink? I have bought a fine, aged wine, and I would like to share it with you."

>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while
>Refuse, you want to focus on work

>>33260055

Check the foolz thread.

The suptg archive wasnt updated till the end

Rolled 40

>>33260055
Take a look at the foolz archive in the OP
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>>33260064
>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while

BRING OUT

THE

KETTTTTLE

>>33260064
>Refuse, you want to focus on work

Refuse politely. We must put this city in order before we defeat Wang Lang.

Say that you'll have the wine after you route Wang Lang's army and take the city.

>>33260064
Refuse but be nice, you'll get DRUNK AS FUCK later

>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while

Couldn't hurt, could it?

>>33260064
>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while

A break would be good.

>>33260064
>>Refuse, you want to focus on work

I want my POL and INT points. We must also emulate Zhang Liao and Gao Shun, not a scrub general.

>>33260064
>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while

>>33260064
>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while

As long as we don't get drunk.

If this was Lingqi, no way in hell we'd be turning her away lol

>>33260064
>>33260120
>>33260125
second, with emphasis on sharing drinks after work finished.

>>33260064
> Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while.

We're going to need to make nice with all of our followers. Going b the Pastebin, we've got a bit of a ways to go until everyone is at least Friendly or higher.

Goddamn, it's like raising Reputation in WoW all over again, minus the 20 bear asses.

>>33260174

We'll eventually have too many followers for that. We just need to identify the important followers and focus on them.

>>33260064
>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while
Breaks do the body good and lets us work at our best.

>>33260064
>Refuse, you want to focus on work

>>33260064
>Song Xian, we have little to celebrate, let us gain Wang Yun's head, and I will drink with you until I drop.

>>33260229
This

>>33260064
>>Refuse, you want to focus on work
Save the celebration for later

>>33260077
>>33260070

Alright. Thank you, Anons.

Also voting for having a drink... Wouldn't hurt to increase our amity with him, would it?

............would it?

>>33260064
>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while

>>33260229
thirded

>>33260200
Or make buddies with the high POL, INT, and CHR followers so they can create a Cult of Personality for us. Then we can focus on the war effort while they play the role of spin doctor.

Pretty sure that most of the military strategists doubled up as public relations anyways.

>>33260229
This

Rolled 67

>>33260229
>Wang Yun'
Pls no
Wang lang

>>33260064
>>Agree, have a drink with Song Xian for a little while

>>33260254

if you're voting, link OP's post.

>>33260229
This

>>33260254

I would gladly sacrifice a potential relationship gain with Song Xian if it improves our reputation with Zhang Liao and Gao Shun (more capable men who are likely to frown upon premature celebrations).

We also really need to get the city in order before we go to war.

>>33260296
Except that isn't the choice. We can either accept the rep bump from this guy or get nothing.

>>33260229
This.
We got towns to manage, after all. Gotta get everything done first, THEN we drink up with Song Xian.

>>33260306
Nothing it is then.
Song Xian is a hack, and this will only hurt our cause, and image.

>>33260306

I don't see it as getting nothing. It's the implied choice in my opinion. If we refuse, we will focus on work for the night. Which helps us get the city in order.

There's also a chance that our words refusing to celebrate will get back to the other officers.

Lets put it to the Zhang Fei test.
If we do anything Like Zhang Fei in times of importance, it's probably bad.
Now, Zhang Fei would probably be drinking, drinking before Song Xian arrived most likely, but drinking all the same

>>33260337

They saw the writing on the wall at that point in history and Song Xian has been leading from the front in this campaign, helping to lead and direct some of our more dangerous operations like the fire attack.

He is at least, decent.

>>33260337

I don't want to alienate Song Xian, but I'm not a big fan of his as his ability and judgment are suspect.

He was the first to advocate looting the towns, his contribution at the war council was meager, and his achievements in the battle were not impressive.

Gao Shun and Zhang Liao have both been extremely impressive. Song Xian, not so much.

>>33260064
Politely refuse the drink but offer to hear him out if he has something to speak about. He's likely trying to use the drinking as an excuse to ask us something so why not at least hear him out? If he simply wants to socialize thank him for the kind gesture and assure him that once the province is secure and the coming army defeated we will be happy to share drinks with him.

Don't just throw him out he may be here in response to the execution and there could be trouble in the ranks. Sharing a drink is likely just an ice breaker for something more I think.

>>33260441
This brings up a good point.

>>33260441
>Don't just throw him out he may be here in response to the execution and there could be trouble in the ranks

While that is a valid point.

>Your command and authority rings out loud enough for people to accept your decision and not complain.

Leads me to believe that our decision went over well enough.

>>33260064
So Raian, can we get some mediation here? A bunch of votes both ways, and not a peep out of you or an idea of what we are waiting for. Maybe you have a plan, maybe you don't know what to do, maybe you're already writing. Let us know.

>>33260543
You're new to this quest, aren't you?

>>33260264

I expect that those followers will be on the "Important to chat up" list.

However, we really are going to have to prioritize at some point. We can't befriend everyone.

>>33260527
The people likely means the citizens of the land and not specifically our troops. Had we been to light on the rapist there would have been complaints that we do not discipline our soldiers and the citizens of the land are not safe from harm so long as soldiers can cry alligator tears to get a reduced sentence.

>>33260064
>>Politely refuse. Tell him we'll drink when we win, make it clear we're glad he offered.

Working on administration is definitely more important for the campaign than Song Xian.

For reference, people that we should suck up to we should call by their courtesy name.
Example: Cao Cao's courtesy name is Cao Mende, while Lu Bu's is Fengxian.

>>33260543

It sounds like you're asking for a crystal ball into the future. I'm not sure what you're expecting.

>>33260562
Lingqi = Cheng Gong > Lu Bu = Zhang Liao > Gao Shun

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"I have much work to do, but I must refuse General," you reply with a shake of your head. "We can drink after we have taken Hui Ji and Wang Lang's head. But for now, I must tend to my duties.

"Ahh... Yes, of course," Song Xian says with a bow. "I am sorry to have disturbed you."

Song Xian leaves in polite fashion, but you can tell he feels disappointed and slightly slighted. You turn back to your duties and work for the rest of the night. (Pol +1 after campaign)

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The weekend nearly comes to an end. You are informed of a local group of bandits that have been captured. The bandit leader, who is of no name, pleads to allow them in to your force and that they would serve your force against Wang Lang. They are about five hundred strong.

>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law
>Deny the leader and have the bandits excuted

>>33260607
Except that's never once been the case in this quest.

>>33260634
>>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law

>>33260593
Though not paying attention to our subordinates could bite us in the ass. If we continue to ignore him he'll eventually leave, betray us or act up causing trouble. Giving him the time of day doesn't hurt us so long as we don't join him in drinking and neglect our duties.

>>33260634
>Ask that they return any plundered goods, and that any who have raped or murdered be judged by our court

>>33260634
>>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law

This was very common.

>>33260634
Deny them. They're infiltrators.

>>33260634
>Question their origins and ask the locals who these bandits really are.

"Tao Qian took in some former Yellow Scarves and look what happened to Xu Province. Call up <name of that local administrator dude we hired previously> and inquire who these bandits really are."

Rolled 98

>>33260664
No kidding. We don't have to suck everyone's ass, but even scrubs can throw open our gates to the enemy.

>>33260634
>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law

>>33260634
>>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law

Show them the head of our subordinate.

Let them know we will brook no disobedience from them.

Rolled 3

>>33260694
>>33260705
This

>>33260634
>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law

Cao Cao accepted the Yellow Turbans, we will accept them but keep an eye on them.

>>33260705

We don't have a cell phone and he's far away in Jian'ye, how the hell is he going to know who these no-name bandits are?

>>33260705
This.
>>33260634
Don't blindly accept them.

>>33260664
>>33260711

After this campaign, we should make good on our promise.

We'll go visit him for a drink.

>>33260694
This.

>>33260695
>>33260702

Tao Qian accepted a band of former Yellow Turbans and those gits killed Cao Cao's daddy. That led to Xuzhou getting sieged hardcore and (at least in this continuity) Tao Qian's death along with half of Xuzhou going under Cao Cao's grasp while the other half got handed off to Liu Bei.

We don't wanna emulate Tao Qian's stupidity.

I'm kind of iffy on this... As good as it is to have 500 additional troops, i feel like this will damage our reputation with the citizens. I doubt they'll think very highly of an army that simply lets a group of bandits who have been pillaging these villages join their forces.

>>33260705
>>33260694
This.

>>33260745

Thing is we can't really afford to turn away troops.

We can perhaps offer them penal service in our army. They fight for their freedom.

>>33260552
>>33260626
I am new, but I don't think I was being rude or unreasonable. I'm not demanding anything like I have a right to it, just asking.

There are plenty of options in quests for smoothing out the process. If Raian and you fine folks want it this way, fair enough. I just don't see how asking about the established routine in a quest that isn't new is anything like asking for a crystal ball.

>>33260745
Which is why >>33260694 states, we will be reforming them, any who have raped will die, and the plundered goods returned.
Not only will we be ridding them of the bandit problem, we'll be returning their goods

>>33260694

that would probably be most of them.

They ARE bandits.

>>33260742

The fault here is not he accepted them, but that he didn't know how to employ them.

>>33260745

We only have 6700 troops against Wang Lang's 10,000. Those 500 will be useful so long as they are held under tight leash.

This was common operating procedure in the Three Kingdoms.

>>33260771
We don't need numbers. That'd be the Yuan family's military strategy right there.

What we need are capable generals, intelligent strategists, and soldiers who are ballsy enough to climb up the side of a mountain and drop firebombs and rocks on the enemy.

>>33260780
Raian has almost never expanded upon the options he presents. This led to a massive shitstorm in thread 3.

>>33260818
He did say that the options presented are based off of the main character's INT stat.

Then again, Raian does leave a lot of stuff up the air for us to start guessing wildly about. QM transparency is a "wut" now.

>>33260795
Then they will be refused, simple as.

>>33260818
I wasn't looking on more information on the options so much as what kind of "consensus" we're aiming for. Like how some quests the QM waits for the first 20 votes and then posts "you have chosen X. writing". Or some QMs will wait until any discussion is resolved and people have said their piece.

>>33260634
>>Deny the leader and have the bandits excuted

>>33260815
It was also common in the Three Kingdoms to be betrayed or murderd.by ones subordinates.
That's not really a great supporting argumrnt.

>>33260634
>>Accept them in to your force, but make sure they strictly follow the law

>>33260790
I suppose, I'll vote for accepting them then.
But have some soldiers keep an eye on them, in case they try anything funny.

>>33260694
This

>>33260897

It was common to be betrayed or murdered by one's subordinate when you mistreated them or you were losing badly.

If the 500 soldiers are kept under a tight leash, they help even the odds against Wang Lang.

Hey don't we have a general familiar with this area since he was ya know an enemy general until a while ago? Why don't we get him to vet these bandits. Depending on how bad they were we can decide to give them a second chance as part of our army or execute them. If he has no knowledge I say we grill the leader for how a group of 500 bandits weren't noticed for so long. We should also find out who caught 500 bandits while we were busy with governing.

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You demand to know more about these bandits, and ask the details of them and the working for the past years. Gao Shun slightly frowns.

"Bandits are bandits General... But I will seek the information."

A few hours later, Gao Shun returns after having spoken with the people and the previous administrators. He informs you that the bandits kept a base near the roads of the Southlands, taking passage tolls when they could and murdering those who disobeyed. Those without money were captured and sold as prisoners. They have committed lawless actions as any other bandits would do; no more, no less.

Do you still accept them to your force?
>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people
>Refuse and have them executed

>>33260960
>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

Rolled 98

>>33260634
>>33260711
I will be down for this. If they want to live they must follow our ways and rules.

>>33260960
>>Refuse and have them executed

Fuck the lot

>>33260694
If they refuse and say out demands are absurd, retort with
>Do you not think it is absurd that wild beasts want to join an army of humans as well?

>>33260960
>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

Recruit them

>>33260960
>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

>>33260960
>Accept falsely, encircle their troops and slaughter them
>Return goods to families

>>33260960
>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

A rising force like ours needs the manpower, and if more bandits join us it means fewer are harassing people.

>>33261019

>You are informed of a local group of bandits that have been captured

Really?

> Plunder village
> Don't apologize and kill Ding Xi
> Let local bandits into the army.

It's like you want to puss away the only public good will we have left.

>>33260960
Accept them, but put them under Gao Shun's command if he finds them lacking in repentance he is free to do with them as he see's fit up to and including execution. He's a good soldier and a just man, if they cannot repent under his command then they will never be better than trash.

>>33260960
>>Refuse and have them executed

>>33260960
>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

>>33261019
This.

>>33261030
But it also means that every single town will view is as a bandit army rather than as their saviours.
Think about it, Wang Lang has let bandits roam free, if we accept them, we are no better, even worse in fact!

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>>33260960
>Refuse and have them executed

>>33260960
>>Refuse and have them executed

We have to uphold local order and respect the ways of the common masses.

Also, fuck these bandits. They are very un-Confucian and do not deserve the proper burial rites. Off with their heads and put them up next to the rapist's head.

>>33260960
>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

Maybe if Dong Xi wasn't an asshole and joined us, we wouldn't have to resort to this.

>>33260960
>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people
Put them under Zhang Liao's command. He'll straighten them out.

>>33260960
>Refuse have them executed

>>33260960
>Refuse have them executed

>>33260960
>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

Don't put them under Song Xian

>>33260960
>Refuse have them executed

>>33261060
Seconding his

>>33260960
Accept them but put them under Gao Shun's command. Any shit falls on his head, and if he irons them out all the better for him too.

>>33261093
>Dong Xi
> asshole

I swear /tg/'s penchant for poor for sight is rivals only by it's inability to admit it's mistakes.

>>33261060
And what if they betray him and kill him? We lose a great officer, for nothing.

>>33260960
>Refuse have them executed

>>33261148
Suicide by massive army isn't that bad, but he got some stupid villagers killed with him.

>>33261060
>>33261137
>>33261139

Gao Shun's our cavalry commander. These bandits likely aren't cavalry material.

>>33261084
>Also, fuck these bandits. They are very un-Confucian and do not deserve the proper burial rites. Off with their heads and put them up next to the rapist's head.
We aren't exactly pillars of Confucian ideals anon. We serve a man who has broken nearly every core tenant of that particular life style.

>>33261067
Letting bandits into the army isn't worse than letting them roam free, it's better. Under our control they won't be harassing people, and other bandits will be encouraged to do the same.

>>33261170
Zhang Liao then.

>>33261171
And we are trying to mend that, and make it so he is worthy.

>>33261178
So we slaughter them.

>>33261207
>And we are trying to mend that, and make it so he is worthy.
Not really? We're stopping him from being a drunken bore, that doesn't make as Confucian.

Fuck Confucian ideals right up the ass anyway. They aren't even the societal norm yet.

>>33261170
The Zhang Liao can handle them.
Although I wonder if he'll think negatively of us for dumping a bunch of misfit possibly dangerous bandits on his hands..

>>33261207
Shufag pls stuff your benevolence so far up your ass it leaks out your nose.

>>33260960
"You may join my army"
"However, in accordance with the military rules, you are all sentenced to be executed, for murder, rape, and plunder"

>>33261148

He chose to attack us outnumbered 12 to 1 when we made our case and offered him the chance to join us.

He was an asshole to us regardless of who held the moral high ground.

It's a fact that he reduced our army from 6900 to 6700 and we have to fight an army of 10,000. Numbers are hard to overcome.

>>33261225
A testament to his skill as an instructor.

Assholes saying 'kill every bandit that crosses our path' will never have great officers like Gan Ning in their number with such strict 'morals'.

>>33260960
>>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

>>33260960
>Accept them, return what goods they still have to the people

>>33261271

Even Chen Gong lamented the fact that we couldn't recruit the 500 pirates earlier.

Do these guys think pirates are any better than bandits? We are fighting a war here and we need soldiers. We are hugely outnumbered.

>>33261239
>"However, in accordance with the military rules, you are all sentenced to be executed, for murder, rape, and plunder"
They've committed no crimes while part of our force. Such judgement is short sighted and pointless, setting a dangerous precedent.

>>33261170
>>33261164
Fair points. One of the other problems of killing them though is that bandits won't surrender to us in the future, instead they'll try and run and regroup later or fight to the death knowing they'll be executed later. I don't think there's a "Right" answer here. If we execute them we're blood thirsty and can only see death as a solution to crimes. If we don't we kill a hero of the people but spare bandits that plunder and murder innocents and have allowed our army to steal from the populace as well.

>>33261314

I already agree with you that we should recruit them for all the reasons mentioned.

Gao Shun's just an awful fit for the bandits because he commands our cavalry. They should be under Zhang Liao's watchful eyes.

>>33261227
Then think about it as Cao Cao would.
Even he knew that popular support was what won wars.
Which is why when he invaded Tao Qian's province of Xu, he had to kill swathes of peasants, all of which made Xu more and more worthless.

>>33261296
Yes.
Because it a fucking named character, who was great with boats, something we don't have.

Rolled 62

>>33261314
Xi kinda rushed us though, we did give him a chance.

>>33260960
>Refuse have them executed

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"Those who would change their ways for the better of this land will be allowed in my army. You will return all goods you have plundered back to this town. You will be placed under strict scrutiny, and any sign of regression to your lawless ways will result in immediate execution. General Gao Shun shall personally see to it that you follow the martial laws of my force."

Gao Shun nods in acceptance.

"Is this clear?" you state to the bandits.

"Yes, the General's mercy flies to the heavens!" the bandit leader says placing his head on the ground.

The bandits are recruited, and the plundered goods are returned to the town. With your strict laws in place and Gao Shun heading them, the bandits are quickly put in discipline. A few of the populace do not like the idea of the bandits joining, but for the most part, the people are left content and some are impressed that the bandits are reformed.

You have a week left before Wang Lang's forces arrive. What do you do in preparation?

>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days)
>Gather more public support (Choose how many days)
>Gather information on the land and enemy force (Choose how many days)
Roll 1d100.

>>33261166
So somehow Dong Xi has mind control powers.

Nameless villagers went "fuck you Zhou Xing!" and died fighting. You don't launch an attack like that without knowing you're really doing it.

>>33261253
Considering there was an option to show good will and it was explicitly not chosen he had every right to consider the army a bunch of low life's.

Also the moral high ground dosen't dissappear just because it dosen't favor you.

>>33261367
>>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days)

3 days

>Gather information on the land and enemy force (Choose how many days)

4 days

Out for half an hour.

>>33261367
Didn't we have 7 days to recruit soldiers in the plan?
Then 7 days conquering, and rinse and repeat

>>33261347
Right but the populace will just look at the end results (especially when someone eventually tries to have them turn on us while our army is fighting). The only reason I'm leaning towards sparing them is to bolster our force and show that we can be reasonable. Though if we chose to execute them I wouldn't mind, since both options have benefits and drawbacks.

Rolled 63

>>33261367
>>33261391

Rolling

>>33261367
Well, that went better than expected. A happy middle ground option resulted instead of the usual EXTREME RIGHT and EXTREME WRONG end of the pendulum.

>Recruit more volunteers -- 5 days.

Rolled 18

>>33261367
>Gather information on the land and enemy force (7 days)

>>33261404
This.
We go 7 Days in each.
We just finished 7 Days in governing, so 7 days in recruiting now

>>33261367
>>Gather information on the land and enemy force (7 days)

Time for battle prep.

Rolled 93

>>33261424
Forgot muh roll.

Rolled 32

>>33261439
Rolling for this.

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Can we throw up some defenses and the like?

Rolled 34

>>33261367
>Gather more public support
4 days

>Gather information on the land and enemy force
3 days

>>33261367
>The bandits are recruited, and the plundered goods are returned to the town. With your strict laws in place and Gao Shun heading them, the bandits are quickly put in discipline. A few of the populace do not like the idea of the bandits joining, but for the most part, the people are left content and some are impressed that the bandits are reformed.

So we got 500 free soldiers with minimal effect on public order. Thank god the execute 'em option failed.

>>33261367
>>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days) 3
>>Gather information on the land and enemy force (Choose how many days) 4

Rolled 41

>>33261367
>>Gather information on the land and enemy force
3 Days

>Gather more public support
1 Day

>Recruit more volunteers
2 Days

Last day rest and ready for battle.

Can't we like, have 7 days where we govern, recruit, and gain information?

>>33261471
What game is this from?

Rolled 99

>>33261404
>>33261436

Idiots. We alredy completed all 21 days of our 7-7-7 plan.

Since we don't have a general familiar with the land

>>33261367
>>Gather information on the land and enemy force
Seven days

>>33261516
Romance of the three kingdoms 11, like it says in the filename.

>>33261517

We have Fan Neng who should know the land in and out.

Rolled 1

>>33261367
>Gather information on the land and enemy force (5 days)

we should use the remaining 2 to establish plans/maneuver.

>>33261516
Rotk 11 for the PC

It's so much fun, and you can create custom officers like Zhu Xing

>>33261439
backing this. Even if we score some troops via recruiting they'll be green and we'll still be out numbered (we'd probably get about 500 or so troops based on the last few attempts at a guess) however if we're able to use what information we gather effectively we could negate or significantly lessen the difference between troops. Wang Liang is a subpar general, but has a numerically superior fighting force. Our best hope of victory is preying on his mistakes and achieving victory with superior tactics. If we want to do that we need to have the best possible knowledge about the terrain we're going to be using.

>>33261417
>>33261432
>>33261450

Average of 58.

>>33261367
>Gather information on the land and enemy force (7 days)

Find ambush points and strategic battlefields.

>>33261367
>>33261391
Changing vote to >Gather information on the land and enemy force for 7 days.

>>33261540
He only agreed to serve us so long as he didn't have to fight his former lord and compatriots. So I think he'll abstain from giving us pointers on how best to kill his old allies and we shouldn't ask that of him anyway.

>>33261616

He did actually give us pointers on how to attack and what attacks were not likely to succeed.

He just won't lift his sword against them.

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>>33261545

There are also scenario editors.

>>33261367
>>Recruit more volunteers (Choose how many days)
7 days

>>33261640

aaaaaaaaa

>>33261640
Ohoho, completely awesome, saved.

Do you just wait for each quest thread and update your game accordingly?

>>33261640
>Not having correct troop or food sizes
Pleb

>>33261640
could you post your Zhu Xing character sheet pls?

Also also, did you make our brother and sister?

>>33261367
>gather information on the land and enemy force 7days

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>>33261640
Nice.

>>33261640

I actually made Zhu Xing in RTK 11 as well using Raian's pastebin.

He lost a duel against Zhang Fei and was killed. Lu Bu executed all 3 brothers afterwards. So lessons learned there I suppose.

>>33261862
>killed
;_;
How'd you get to fight the three brothers, anyway?

>>33261862
Yea, our war stat is still pretty shit

>>33261907

Hu Lao gate I suppose

>>33261862
>Die Gloriously
>Aniki Lu bu Executes them

Based Lu bu

Warning for those starting, the premade officers that you can optionally add in are generally very powerful and have 1-2 stats maxed out or nearly so, and spread around randomly. It can make or break your game sometimes, I usually leave them out because it can make some already strong forces monsters and ruin the game.

Alternatively, play RotTK X on an emulator for the maximum comfy officer life experience, XI for the maximum comfy ruler life experience.

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>mfw playing DW4, DW8, RotTK XI, and participating in this thread

Can we agree that Gao Shun has been the MVP of this campaign thus far?

>Lead the cavalry charge to take the first city (although Lingqi and Zhang Liao got more credit in that battle)
>Successfully charges the flanks of Fan Neng's army and scatters them, personally killing Yu Mi in the process.
>Helps us lead a band of small elites with Lingqi to execute a successful fire attack
>Successfully reforms the bandits and adds them to our army

This isn't even including his admirable personal traits. Zhang Liao is great, but Gao Shun has outshined him so far.

>>33261913
Yeah, once we find a strategist/political adviser/ PR guy we should take time to diligently train and improve our stats. Sadly I think Zhu would still be generic officer tier in DW with his current stat load out.

>>33261907

I played the Rise of Lu Bu scenario.

Took out Cao Cao quickly, and went to take the rest of Xu province from Liu Bei before I had to face Li Jue and Yuan Shao.

At least Zhu Xing died a glorious death.

>>33262102
Considering we haven't had a stat raise in 3? threads now, it seems he's doomed to be a mook for the rest of his life.

>>33262102

We did though.

>>33262066
Campaign ain't over yet.

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>>33261730
Keep in mind the picture is just the default. Also the second page is the default stats.

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>>33262173

>mfw KETTLES

>>33262147
Raian says we'll get our stat-ups at the end of this arc. I think it's a little ridiculous how he's shifting towards this method of level-ups instead of what he's been doing for the first 5 threads.

>>33262159

>Thus far

>>33262147

All stats come after the end of campaign, so we'll be getting a pretty substantial bonus hopefully.

>>33262148

We don't have one with us though. Chen Gong will be with Lu Bu 24/7. We need our own advisers once we get control of our own city and independent command. Lu Bu

>>33262173
>fascinated by kettles
hue.

>>33262173
>>33262210
Glorious.

>>33262173
Why is Zhang Fei a voice option?

>>33262221

We left him back at our city. Then again hes a civics advisor and administrator.

>>33262239

Because only zhang fei speaks like zhang fei.

>>33262240

Honestly, those are more important to us if we have our own city.

Raian said that our intelligence was above-average for generals at the moment.

Our politics? Not so much, and we can't afford to boost it at the expense of other important stats.

>>33262066
Zhang Liao will prove himself with time. We've been fortunate to have him and Gao Shun with us on this campaign. We've made a few rookie mistakes so far but nothing that can't be salvaged or improved upon so long as we can pull out a win in the upcoming battle. Funny enough I think Zhu Xing needs someone that has his back like we've done for Lu Bu. If any one thought of us as Lu Bu's number one guy we've probably left something to be desired but at the same time we're like twenty so there's time to grow. Taking counsel earlier probably won us a little good will, it may be a good idea to do so again when we're deciding on our battle plan.

>>33262280
Armchair general pls. The things you consider rookie mistakes are probably the only correct decisions we've made.

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Incidentally, here's a map of China right now. There's some guesswork involved, especially since Raian didn't specify which half of Xu province Liu Bei has, but it shouldn't be too bad. Both Yan Baihu and Wang Lang are to our east, Yan Baihu is the northern of the two. Also this is based on the AD 194 scenario, and for us the year is 192.

>>33262173
That spouse section won't be blank for much longer if we have anything to say about it.

>>33262312

Which colour are we

>>33262335
We won't. Lingqi hates us.

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>>33262312

Here's another map of China with the cities. I think they'll be helpful if you look at both of them combined.

Jian'ye is our city and I believe we are assaulting Southeast to the coast right now.

>>33262276

Honestly, for a field general all of our stats our above average. Most generals would have lower WAR, INT, POL and CHR stats than us. Our LDR isn't too high, but it's definitely competent.

>>33262365

Yup, but we don't want to be above-average. We want to be excellent.

We are probably the best 20 year old general out there, but we want to keep growing and developing.

>>33262340
Black, to the east there

>>33262340
Black.

>>33262343
Check the pastebin.

>>33262147
The stat raise will come and I imagine it'll be a big buff. Even with that though I'm thinking like 5-9 range for war and 2-6 range for the other stats that bump up, being optimistic there.

I wonder if we could get a tutor to give Zhu Xing a passive +1 or at set intervals for Politics or Charisma.

>>33262396
I imagine it'll be a lot less than you're hoping for.

>>33262343
Character Profile: http://pastebin.com/

>Lu Lingqi: Friendly

>>33262396

I think that's huge optimistic. 5-9 range would push Zhu Xing into 90-94 range before items.

We haven't done anything to merit that huge increase particularly since Raian said WAR will get harder to raise as it gets higher.

We beat down Yu Mi, beat down Lingqi, and was a regular badass in the battles, but that's probably 2-3 in my opinion.

I think intelligence and leadership will go up around that range though.

>>33262396

Might want to purchase some of the extra cha boosting items, me thinks

>>33262445
>This one faggot keeps trying to get us to waste points in our dump stat.

Rolled 2

>>33262455

this one faggot that keeps mixing up pol and cha

>>33262418
Possibly. That's why I said I was being optimistic. Though I think we'll see an increase in every stat at least, the only stat that I can't immediately think of an example of using since the campaign began is charisma.

>>33262485
Not the anon you're referring to, but I am fairly certain CHA is our lowest stat

>>33262505

http://pastebin.com/UTDjnUuX

>Pol: 50
>Cha: 57

>>33262521
>Thinking they're not both dump stats

Shufags gonna fag

>>33262445

Only if we get INT items as well.

Honestly, Pol's our only true dump stat. Cha can be useful in multiple ways so it's not a terrible idea to boost it some.

>>33262491

We used charisma to govern the city. Execute the soldier and bring the bandits under our rule without a fuss. Recruiting Fan Neng is also an example. Some of these didn't require dice rolls, but they would logically go to charisma stats.

>>33262505

It's Pol by a pretty large margain.

>>33262536
>pretty large margain.
No it isn't

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You decide to spend the rest of the week gathering intelligence on the outlay of the lands and the enemy.

>You hear that Wang Lang is only moderately popular. While he is a decent administrator, he is a sycophant and a schemer who does what profits him. Some people disagree that he allied with Yan Baihu and the Shanyue, others think he stabilized the area
>You hear that a talented politician by the name of Yu Fan was nearly executed for proposing to surrender to Lu Bu and cutting ties with Yan Baihu
>The troops under Wang Lang are only partially trained and have not seen much wars besides fighting small bandits. They should also be a bit tired from their march here
>The Southlands is hot and humid during the summer, and it is currently the summer right now
>Most of the territory you have occupied are flat short grasslands. As Fan Neng stated, there are farmlands to the east where you may use the flood attack you were thinking of before. There are some short forests to the southwest but they are scattered and not much use for cover. You may also engage Wang Lang near a river that is only partially deep, and enough for troops to cross by swimming

You have some options in engaging Wang Lang. You may meet him at the field, or fortify at the town or garrison.

>Meet him at the field (Choose where)
>Fortify the town and fight here
>Move your forces to the garrison you captured

>>33262562
>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)
The river crossing

>>33262562
>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)

River crossing.

We are going to Sun Ce Wang Lang.

We also have to recruit Yu Fan.

>>33262562
>Troops: 7200
>Equipment: 1900 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams
>Food: 1477
>Morale: Medium
>Fatigue: None

>>33262562

>Meet him at the field (Choose where)
River Crossing

>>Other
Send out the cavalry under Gao Shun to go and harass his army.

>>33262562
>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)
The river crossing

>>33262594

Okay, we don't have the food for a siege battle.

>>33262562
> meet him on the grasslands

Perfect terrain for a cavalry heavy force. Enough space to keep from being encircled. We hit him as hard as possible and give his troops no time to rest.

>>33262590
Agreed.

>>33262562
>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)

River crossing

>>33262562
>>Meet him at the field (River Crossing)

We'll have Zhang Liao lead an elite flanking force to cross the river at night and we'll hit them from both the front and the flank at dawn.

>>33262630
>>Enough space to keep from being encircled.

That is literally the opposite of how it works. Flat expanses maximize the advantage of superior numbers, rough terrain retards it.

>>33262562
>>Meet him at the field (Choose where)
River crossing, Slow his troops down.

Then after the attack if things work out we fall back to base.

>>33262653
Wait, what? That's a terrible idea.

>>33262653
Let's hold off on in-depth strategy until we finally see the enemy.

Would it be possible for us to lure him into a skirmish at the river to have him exhaust his troops by fording the river, fall back to the grasslands and reform while the Calvary hits them from surprise? Or is that too risky/ overly complicated?

>>33262562
can we build spike traps and pit falls?

>>33262668

You do realize that's an exact replica of how Sun Ce crushed Wang Lang?

>>33262562
Say Raian, would you mind giving us weapons aptitudes like in >>33262173?

Because Wang Lang's troops are tired from the humid march, we should attack before they are able to rest.

>>33262562
>Meet him at the field (Choose where)

At the river crossing. We can try to bait the bastard in attacking us and having his troops exhaust themselves.

>>33262750
Seems smart. Maximizing their fatigue should give our forces an edge.

>>33262687
The way basic river warfare works is that you either engage your enemy when they are crossing so that the vanguard can't be supported by the forces still wading in the water, or you force them to have their back to the river so they can't hold a proper defense.

>>33262562
>Meet him at the field(River crossing)
We have a strong Calvary so we should try out maneuvering him and trying to flank him

>>33262562
>Meet him at the field (Choose where)
River crossing.

>>33262794

I agree with the first part, but at the time armies often wanted the river at their back so the soldiers knew they had to either fight or drown.

>>33262887
It's a fordable river, so that won't work here. It's basically a fatigue trap, rather than a do-or-die setpiece

>>33262905

Now that mention, I wonder how long the fordable portion is. Is it the whole thing? Also, where swimming involved Wang Lang's southlanders will have an advantage over the northerners in our army.

>>33262943
its hard to swim and dodge arrows

>>33263029
Especially while wearing armor and bumping into the scores of people crowded around you trying not to drown

>>33262943
Not if they're the ones doing the swimming into our defensive formations.

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You move your forces to the river crossing and prepare your lines there. Wang Lang's army emerges, 10,000 men strong as you were informed. They are made mostly of infantry. Wang Lang moves in front of the river atop his horse, and you go out to meet him from the other side.

"Rebels and bandits, why do you attack my lands? I have been assigned my rank by the court, I demand you leave."

"Wang Lang," you reply. "When the Han court was taken by Dong Zhuo, you did nothing to aid it. You have allied yourself with bandits and barbarians allowing them to pillage this country. I will take your head and bring peace back to these Southlands along with Lord Lu Bu."

"Hah, what bold words from the man who served Dong Zhuo himself! You are no more an opportunist than I am, killing and betraying lords to your benefit. You will never pacify the Shanyue as I have with my negotiations."

"Turn yourself in, Wang Lang, and I may leave you with your tongue in tact. Fight me and I shall have your head on spike along with Yan Baihu when my lord defeats him."

With a furious tug of his horse's reins, Wang Lang moves back to his force. The drums begin to beat and Wang Lang's army moves to attack you.

How do arrange your formation? Vote on how you array your troops.
Roll 1d100, avg of four, lowest roll dropped.

Rolled 61

>>33263089
Time for Sun ce

Rolled 18

>>33263089

Rolling first

Rolled 60

>>33263089

Rolled 16

>>33263089

Circle around the entrance of the crossing.

Let them cross and come to us.

Rolled 16

>>33263089

Rolled 77

>>33263089
Cavalry in reserve on the flanks, archers in the rear bombard with ranged fire as they ford/cross, infantry in a flying wedge formation in the center.

Let infantry take the brunt for a few moments before feigning a retreat. As the enemy pursues, have the cavalry sweep through from the flanks before having the infantry turn and counter-charge.

>>33263089
spears and shields at the front archers positioned behind them with a good view of their targets fireing constant harassment volleys while cavelry wait for a moment to hit the middle of their army that crosses the ford hit and run only to preserve troops let them hit the shield wall and spear them while continuing hit and run and arrow harassment

Rolled 99

>>33263089
2 thousand Blocking the main crossing with archers to the left & right flanks three thousand in reserve and a thousand under Zhang liao's command as cavalry to flank the enemy after they exhaust themselves.

welp, dice want us dead.

>>33263089
I assume range attackers up front and peg the enemy as they come. Then have them fall back and let the melee hold the line to let our houses flank them.

>>33263164
That's 'cause
>>33263139
>>33263121
decided to roll first before coming up with a military tactic. Dumb gits.

>>33263089
Have the archers in front pelt them with arrows as they cross the river and once they are roughly halfway over, have our own troops step forward ready to charge the enemy once they reach our shore. Keep cavalry in reserve until needed

>>33263089
Clarification needed. Is he crossing the river to attack us or is his army's back to the river?

>>33263125
>>33263121
>>33263109
Ah fuck.

Alright, we want to press the attack and drive them into the river. I suggest roll up the left flank with our cavalry under Gao Shun, while pressing into the centre with our infantry. We let arrows drop on the right flank. Be aggressive, press them back.

>>33263089
Infantry in front, archers behind firing into the crossing. Send a flanking force with Linqi to cross the river away from the enemy so she can circle around and attack them from behind.

>>33263089
Rain arrows on them while they cross the river, bash the heads of whoever survives with our kettle

>>33263109
>>33263121
>>33263125
>>33263131
Fuck

Rolled 55

>>33263188

Im not convinced on the crossings.

They out number us badly, we should not be attacking carelessly.

>>33263089
Can we get a map of our armies and the surrounding terrain?

>>33263154
This sounds sensible.

Have Gao Shun command the cavalry with Lu Linqi as sub-commander. Appoint Zhang Liao as our own subcommander and have him lead the infantry.

Rolled 92

>>33263208
we're not they are coming to us.

>>33263109
>>33263121
>>33263125
>>33263131

Thanks to the low-rollers who didn't make a plan, our average is a measly 46.

We're fucked unless Raian ignores the zero-planning rolls.

>>33263208
Given the quality of our enemy I think it's fine.

>>33263234
>our average is average

shocking

Rolled 40

>>33263225

No, the plan i was replying to had lingqi lead a unit and swim across.

>>33263234
I think he should personally, but its up to him.

And technically shouldn't it have a modifier bonus?

>>33263188
The first rule of river battles is that YOU DON'T CROSS RIVERS. Sending a detached force to harass a prepared army that only has to turn around to slaughter them is pantsu on head retarded.

>>33263089
>>33263154
This strategy is sound. Voting for this unless someone has a brighter idea.

>>33263225
>>33263244

While they're coming at us we should sent a flanking force. This low-quality army will panic in such a situation.

>>33263089
There will be no consensus here. You should've included voting options.

>>33263244
inexperienced footmen tired from the long march in the hit sun lead by a bad general who also have to cross a ford to reach us while being harassed every step of the way....even with bad rolls i like our odds

>>33263234
It's still 135 so it's not horrible. So long as the strategy is sound it should be okay.

>>33263154
Going with this.

>>33263268

That's why you ask people to come up with a plan and reach a consensus before asking them to roll.

Regardless, the dice are dice, we accept their judgment where it lies.

Rolled 45

>>33263154
>flying wedge formation

I like this.

Voting for this.

>>33263154
Supporting this.

>>33263327
>Using an offensive cavalry charge formation for infantry in a defensive battle

Sounds legit.

>>33263089
>>33263154

As long as this counter charge at the end dosen't involve us being stupid and trying to cross the river this is fine

>>33263089
>>33263154

I'm fine with this plan unless someone has objections.

Rolled 12

>>33263089
>>33263154

Sounds good, but have Song Xian and the other commander lead our infantry flanks.

>>33263346
I do. A wedge formation is pants on head retarded.

>>33263345

Someone's going to have to cross the river eventually to get Wang Lang.

>>33263317
Yeah strategy first then roll. Fortunately almost all strategies we'll employ will use War. People just want to roll asap (and maybe try and game the system with "it was a low roll we should do this really safe option then!" but that would probably just get the army fucked even harder out of spite for meta gaming).