>>33391045
Heretical Armaments
Check the Warhammer 40k rulebook for rules on the following weapons:
Boltgun,Bolt Pistol,Chainsword,Flamer, Plasma Pistol,Power Axe, Power Lance, Power Maul, Power Sword, Storm Bolters.


Boltgun-3 pts
Bolt Pistol-0 pts
Chainsword-0 pts
Daemon Sword-15 pts
These swords are daemons trapped within the sword through Incantations and Spells.
Daemonic Boltgun-8 pts
A Possessed Bolter that actively seeks out psykers and other warp affected individuals in order to feast on their raw warp energy.
Doomhailer-15 pts (Slaanesh only)
A souped up amalgam of a laudhailer and a doomsiren, This focused blast of sound and warp energy rips through all but the strongest armor like its paper.
Eviscerator-25 pts
Flamer-15 pts
Noise Pistols-4 pts (Slaanesh Only)
Plasma Pistol-5 pts
Power Axe-10 pts
Power Lance-10 pts
Power Maul-10 pts
Power Sword-10 pts
Shriekers-20 pts (Slaanesh only)
These strange looking rifles seem to teem with unheard noise, vibrating with a low hum before use. Every shot from this weapon pierces the air with a foul, ear splitting shriek.
Storm Bolters-10 pts

>>33391123

Stats:
Daemon Sword Range- S user AP2 Melee,Daemon Weapon, Rending
Daemonic Boltgun: Range 24” S4 AP5 Assault 1, Psishock
Doomhailer: Range 12” S6 AP3 Assault 1, Pinning
Noise Pistols Range12” S4 AP5 Pistol, Ignore Cover
Shriekers: Range24” S4 AP4 Assault 2, Ignores Cover, Pinning
Equipment:
Litanies of Heresy-5 pts
These heretical Writings adorn the entirety of the wearer’s armor.
All enemies locked in close combat with the wearer acts as if he has -1 to his leadership, but units with the Psyker, Brotherhood of psyker, or Psychic Pilot Special Rule take an additional -2 to leadership, to a total of -3.
Wings-20 pts
These massive, leathery wings propel the fallen sister across the battlefield. Models with this equipment are considered Jump Infantry. If the unit was a character or Independent character, They can only join units of Nephilim.
Seeker of Slaanesh-25 pts (Slaanesh)
These sleek mounts seem to simply glide across the battlefield, with the beautiful destruction they leave behind them on the battlefield both wanton and artful.
(placeholder no rules)

>>33391175
You could make seeker of slaanesh simply turn the model's unit type into cavalry.

>>33391342
Yeah, i was also thinking of having it do what it does in the Daemons book, which is also grant acute senses, outflank, and an attack

>>33391175

Armor:
Desecrated Power Armor-0 pts
a set of standard Adepta Sororitas power armor, with all of the Imperial symbols and litanies replaced with heretical writings and symbols of Slaanesh.
This armor infers a 3+ armor save.
Armor of Amplification-35pts (Slaanesh)
This customised suit of desecrated armor has had its pauldrons replaced with speakers. Shriekers gain the Haywire special rule, Doomhailers re-roll failed rolls of 1.
It also Confers a 3+ armor save. Models with Sisters of Slaanesh only.
Warp Armor-20pts
Warp armor has spent so much time in the warp that both itself and the wearer seem to flicker in and out of existence with each passing second
Warp armor gives a 3+ armor save
In addition, the armor infers a 4+ cover save. Whenever a cover save is made, the unit may immediately move 3” for each wound saved in this way.

The Sister of Nurgle should probably do something besides give them an extra wound, troop choices with 2 wounds and a 3+ save sound a bit too tough, unless you make the upgrade like 8 a model or something to make up for it

>>33391475
Sister of Nurgle is currently at 10 pts/model. Do you think i should be redundant and put the point costs in the profile and the wargear/Rules area?

>>33391387
Fallen Sisters Special Rules
Scions of Chaos:Fallen Sisters can be selected as part of a detachment from the following codices: Codex: Chaos Daemons or Codex: Chaos Space Marines. Alternatively, You can also take The Fallen Sisters as their own army. Furthermore, they have Battle Brother Status with both of those armies.
Devoted to the Blood God: An Army from Either Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons that is allied with/ using units from Codex: Fallen Sisters whose warlord has the Sister of Khorne special rule may only take units without a Mark of Chaos, with the Mark of Khorne, or with the Daemon of Khorne Special Rule. They also gain Hatred(Slaanesh).
Devoted to the Dark Prince: An Army from Either Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons that is allied with/ using units from Codex: Fallen Sisters whose warlord has the Sister of Slaanesh special rule may only take units without a Mark of Chaos, with the Mark of Slaanesh, or with the Daemon of Slaanesh Special Rule. They also gain Hatred(Khorne).

Devoted to the Papa Nurgle: An Army from Either Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons that is allied with/ using units from Codex: Fallen Sisters whose warlord has the Sister of Nurgle special rule may only take units without a Mark of Chaos, with the Mark of Nurgle, or with the Daemon of Nurgle Special Rule. They also gain Hatred(Tzeentch).
Devoted to the Tzeentch: An Army from Either Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons that is allied with/ using units from Codex: Fallen Sisters whose warlord has the Sister of Tzeentch special rule may only take units without a Mark of Chaos, with the Mark of Tzneetch, or with the Daemon ofTzneetch Special Rule. They also gain Hatred(Nurgle).

>>33391516

Yea redundancy can sometimes mean ease of read unless you're planning on making the upgrade cost different amounts for different choices later on

>>33391536
Devoted to the Renegade God: An Army from Either Codex: Chaos Space Marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons that is allied with/ using units from Codex: Fallen Sisters whose warlord has the Sister of Malal special rule may only take units without a Mark of Chaos. They also gain Hatred(*). * is representative of the following table, which is rolled on at the beginning of every turn.

#
Effect
1
Hatred
2
Hatred(Tzeentch)
3
Hatred(Khorne)
4
Hatred(Slaanesh)
5
Hatred(Nurgle)
6
Hatred(Chaos)
Heresy Most Foul: Units from Codex: Adepta Sororitas gain the Preferred Enemy(Fallen Sisters) and Hatred(Fallen Sisters) when facing a force with at least 1 choice from Codex: Fallen Sisters.
Sister of Undivided- 0pts
Models with this special rule are treated as having all of the Sisters of ______ rules for the purpose of buying gear and recruiting units.
Sister Of Slaanesh- 15pts/model
Models with this special rule have a 5+ Feel No Pain roll.
Sister Of Tzeentch- 12pts/model
Models with this special rule have a 5+ Invulnerable save
Sister Of Khorne- 17pts/model
Models with this special rule have Rage.
Sister Of Nurgle- 10pts/model
Models with this special rule have an additional wound.
Sister of Malal- 6pts/model
Models with this special rule cannot take chaos god specific gear, but can reroll to hit rolls of 1 against units with a Mark of Chaos, Daemon of Chaos rule, Daemon special rule, and Sisters of ________rule
Touched By Slaanesh- 10pts
Models with this special rule have +1 Initiative, the Daemon special rule.
Touched By Tzeentch- 10pts
Models with this special rule have +1BS and the Daemon special rule.
Touched By Khorne- 10pts
Models with this special rule have +1 WS and the Daemon special rule.
Touched By Nurgle- 15pts
Models with this special rule have +1 toughness and the Daemon special rule.
Champion of Slaanesh- 10pts
Models with this special rule have +1 attack for every initiative you have over the opponent, and gains +2 initiative during challenges

>>33391547
The main idea is that its gonna stay the same price for all models, but I'm not sure what the end price is gonna be.

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>Hey let's take a faction who's whole deal is how pure and holy they are and when one actually falls to Chaos it's such a big deal that it gets its own portion of the codex
>and then make all of them Chaos for shits and giggles!
This is fucking retarded. Yet /tg/ fucking jizzes themselves to the concept on a regular basis. I don't fucking get it.

May as well make a Loyalist Daemons fandex while you're at it.

>>33391604
>M-muh lore though

fuck off we're trying to have fun

>>33391604
the issue with that is that sisters CAN be chaos, and daemons CAN be loyalist (as seen by daemonhosts)
I'm sorry you feel that way, but as shown by this thread and the one before this one, there are enough people willing to contribute and see this done for me to continue on with it.

>>33391655
No, I agree with the above poster. If you want to make this idea, create a new faction that just developed this way on a planet.

This whole 'Chaos Sisters' shit is getting old fast. This dex you are writing, while its okay, is just a repaint of already existing units. Create your own shit.

>>33391557
The point cost on the Sister of Khorne rule is pretty ridiculous, when given the choice between 1 extra attack on a charge or almost 2 more models I think it's a pretty simple decision

>>33391604
The Daemonifuge comic had an entire Coven corrupted and mutated by a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh.

So fuck yourself.

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>>33391604
Allo luv

>>33391696
lowered it to 13 pts/model
Working on Lady Soriaph, Corrupt Penitent Engine HQ

>>33391713
They were possessed, not corrupted. There's a difference. Mirial's whole thing is that she is the ONLY sister to fall.

Similarly daemonhosts are little more that human versions of possessed warpheadz rather than full on loyalist daemons.

>>33391759
the wording of her lore is that shes teh only one to fall WILLINGLY. That means that others still fall through corruption and possession, that means they still fell.

Why not just make them a bunch of cultists who mock SoBs by emulating them and looting and corrupting their gear rather than fallen sisters? That makes a lot more sense and is a lot more interesting to me, even if the end result is pretty much the same.

>>33391825
are you the guy from DakkaDakka? Somebody suggested the same exact thing on there.

>>33391811
>the wording of her lore is that shes teh only one to fall WILLINGLY
That's what I just said. Forcing a paladin to fall via GM bullshit like mindcontrol is completely different from him falling due to his own willful actions. Also
>teh
Fucking seriously?

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>>33391759
Not possessed, they were enslaved and corrupted by the Greater Daemon.

See the mark of corruption on their flesh.

>>33391724
Ha!

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>>33391045
>Mistress of Trickery(placeholder name till i can think of something not so dumb)

Mistress of Sorcery
Mistress of Deceit
Mistress of Lies
Mistress of Change
Mistress of the Warp
Mistress of Deception

>>33391847
>getting this angry over a grammar mistake
So you're just a cunt?

>>33391557
Sister of Tzeentch gives a 5+ invul, and Touched By Tzeentch gives daemon which entails a 5+ invul, so the initial 5+ invul is kinda wasted by taking Touched by Tzeentch

>>33391860
Mistress of the Warp, I like that.
>>33391872
should I make to where if you have both its a 4+ instead?

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>>33391848
Corrupted and FELL!

>>33391843
>DakkaDakka
Never heard of it. It's something that's bounced around on /tg/ before. Makes more sense than a sect so holy that even the godfucking Grey Knights use them as an extra buffer between them and demons falling by the goddamn legion.

Even CSMs needed a god-slaying Judas allegory before they started to fall wholesale.

>>33391867
Or he thought you were being a 1337fag.

>>33391847
>>33391825
>>33391759
>>33391713
>>33391683
>>33391604
Are you forgetting that nothing and everything is canon?

You seem to be treating 40k as if it's a solid setting with a solid canon when that's never been true.

>>33391848
>They weren't enslaved and forcibly corrupted against their will, they were just enslaved and forcibly corrupted against their will!
Thanks for clearing that up.

>>33391885
Either 4+ or 3+ whichever you feel is more appropriate, all just really depends on how much better the Sister Infernals are designed to be over the Fallen Sisters

>>33391045
Just a few thoughts here from a random Anon: What differentiates this codex from others, and why shouldn't people just use count-as. What will it change from the WD dex, how will it fix their glaring issues (no cheap troops, only special characters are worth it for HQ, Faith is kinda meh except for the rare choice, Exorcists are still random as heck in damage, many units just plain suck on the table)?

First thing you need to do is figure out what defines is faction. Read the fluff, read previous books, figure out what Sisters 'do' to defeat their opponents, and how. Check other dexes in the current edition, figure out a decent level of power for this dex, and style things carefully. Less is more here.

Once you have a basic idea, playtest! Figure out how other factions do things that are fun, figure out why they are fun, and institute your own ideas based on how they do it (so that they are powerful, but simple, and aren't broken).

Other then that, good luck with this, but be careful. If Fandexes are any indication, development is a lot harder then it looks.

>>33391885
That was actually my least favorite of all of those ideas but whatever you think is best.

>>33391919
It's more that you're shitting all over one of the main tenets of a faction in order to make them...what, even? Even more of just genderflipped SMs? Because by removing their Faith, you're taking away like the main feature of SoBs.

You may as well just make SMs normal humans or make orks pacifistic dandelion eaters who believe in science and logic above all.

>>33391945
What was your favorite, I'm partial to all of them. At least, they are all better than trickery

>>33391926
Not possessed as in have a daemon jump inside them. Like the thousand of ordinary Guardsmen and Space Marines, they were bent to the will of Chaos and had their flesh mutated by its touch.

Baaaaam! You got yourself Chaos sisters. Now deal with it.

>>33391919
Tell that to guy belly aching about the canon. He started it!

>>33391981
Christ, you sound like that dipshit NiceDaemonette right now.

Just as a question, how OP would a 11/11/10 walker with a 5+invul be?

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>>33391993
I am flattered.

>>33391998
depends on what else he's got, for how much and stuff

As a base that doesn't sound like it's op

Captcha: the aboobie
Please OP can we have a unit named this

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>>33391975
I guess it wasn't so much that it was my least favorite as it was that I thought it was the least likely to go over considering it's different from the others.

I'm pretty partial to Mistress of Deceit

>>33391981
>Baaaaam! You got yourself Chaos sisters.
And it's supposed to be rare as fuck in order to be notable, not an everyday occurrence like with the billions of IGs. Hell, even most CSMs are haphazardly made instead of converted, so that shit is right out too.

Unfortunately, SoBs suffer from serious Worfing, but this shit is just dull.

>>33392044
lol. Maybe for the Loyalist daemons 'dex im planning

>>33391969
But it doesn't matter

It's an idea that other people think is fun that you don't.

What do you want?

>>33392076
For you to stop having badwrong fun

>>33392076
Why do you find it fun to shit on nice things?

>>33392057
what are these drawing of, if i might ask?

>>33391724
That's not a daemon, genius.

>be mistress of pain in warp armor
>make 8 cover saves against grotshot
>become skimmer

>>33392115
this guy gets it

>>33392104
They are Warp Ghosts, spirits raised from the dead by their devotion and faith in the Emperor.

So kinda daemon-ish and if you're not satisfied then know that the Emperor created angels with his power. Molding warp energy into angelic beings.

>>33392090
>>33392091
To these guys it's not shitting on nice things. They have a different interpretation of the fluff than you do.

It's not here to offend you.

>>33392143
>They are Warp Ghosts, spirits raised from the dead by their devotion and faith in the Emperor.
Cool, you just described Living Saints.
>So kinda daemon-ish and if you're not satisfied then know that the Emperor created angels with his power. Molding warp energy into angelic beings.
Cool, you just described Living Saints. Again.

Now show me the Greater Unclean One who mended his ways and now fights for the Imperium.

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>>33392097
it's concept art from warhammer online

a warhammer fantasy mmo that doesn't exist anymore

I saved as much as I could find from wherever I could before it all went down

>>33392169
that one is definitely gonna be the Mistress of Deceit art

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>>33392156
>Now show me the Greater Unclean One who mended his ways and now fights for the Imperium.

You really don't get that this is a malleable setting that you're just supposed to turn into whatever you want, do you?

There's hundreds of trillions of different worlds throughout the setting and an infinite warp where EVERY possibility is true and untrue and you want to argue what people can and can't do with their ideas?

It's fine that you think it's dumb. It's fine that you think it shouldn't be canon. It's not going to stop anyone so you can stop repeating that you don't like it and don't think it should happen.

>>33392186
I have a couple more female tzeentch spellcasters

>>33392216
Why are you pussyfooting around the issue?

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>>33392222
I don't understand what you want, I guess.

>>33392222
why is
>>33392091
ignoring the question? What is your end goal, what do you want, what are the reasons for posting in this thread if you have absolutely no interest?

>>33392156
>Cool, you just described Living Saints. Again.

Living Saints are created from mortals. The Angels the Emperor made were pure warp energy.

>Cool, you just described Living Saints.

I described warp ghosts. Living Saints ain't ghosts!

>Now show me the Greater Unclean One who mended his ways and now fights for the Imperium.

>Now show me the Greater Unclean One who mended his ways and now fights for the Imperium.

Olivia Soraka from the Vengeful Spirit novel was implied to be a being from another realm who gave up her existence in that realm and earned it in this one.

She is a devoted servant of the Emperor.

alright, i statted out Lady Soriaph, need to know what i should point her as
WS
BS
S
F
S
R
I
A
HP
Lady Soriaph
4(5)
4
5
11
11
10
4
3
3
UNIT TYPE: Independent Character(Walker, Open-Topped)
UNIT COMPOSITION: 1 Lady Soriaph
WARGEAR: Two Dreadnought Close Combat weapons with built in Heavy Flamers . Heart of Hatred
SPECIAL RULES: Sister of Khorne,Unstoppable, Touched By Khorne, Maiden of Corruption
Maiden of Corruption: For every Troop choice you have that is NOT chosen through this rule, you make pick one Corruption Engine as a troop choice.
HEART OF HATRED:
The chaos Artefact that is Embedded in her chest contains the bound warp energies of a Bloodthirster of Khorne. Once per game, she can activate the abilities locked within. She Immediately takes a wound, no saves allowed. IF she is alive after this, The Heart if Hatred turns into a Fiery Sword of Khorne with the following Profile. After two turns, the sword is banished back to the immaterium, and Lady Soriaph takes another wound, no saves allowed. If She is still alive after this she gains IT Will Not Die for an additional two turns.

Weapon
Range
S
AP
Type
Heart of Hatred
-
8
2
Melee Daemon Weapon, Bloodthirst

Bloodthirst: All movement made by the wielder of this weapon must be towards the closest enemy. The wielder must use his shooting phase to run, and must charge if possible.

>>33392391
155

>>33392421
I'll go with that until I can playtest her. Thats a little bit more expensive than a decked out helbrute, and almost double the cost of a normal penitent.
But taking into account the stat bumps I gave her, plus the daemon special rule, plus rage, plus her relic I can see how that would be a good number

>>33392009
>that garter belt

Every fucking time.

>>33392528
lol, I never noticed that.

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Bump with art

Someone misarchived this, BTW

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>>33392663
what do you mean?

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>>33392663
>>33392691
ah fuck. oh well, sure shows me for trying to do something creative with original rules and shit.

>>33392691
Look on suptg

>>33392711
Might as well just fall in line and soak up the stagnant status quo of shitty power creep and never advancing the storyline ever.

>>33392729
Fight the power!

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>>33392711

>>33392711
I guarantee you this was some edgy white knight virgin faggot.

I'll admit, I was pretty against this idea at first, and then I saw the bits about the Mistress of Deceit. It's a great idea, and whoever misarchived it should go die in a fucking fire.

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>>33392758

>>33392711
>something creative
KAOS SISDURRS is literally the first thing anyone thinks to do with Sisters since it's so thoughtless and uninspired
>with original rules
Faith...BUT KAOS is not original
>and shit
I guess one outta three ain't bad

>>33392762
I guarantee you this post was some edgy black knight virgin faggot.

>>33392762
Up until halfway through the Thread last night, it was Slaanesh only. But so many people where complaining about it and inferring that its my fetish that I decided to go full bore and go with all chaos gods, even malal.
>>33392788
>Something Creative
I meant actually getting off my fat ass and creating something neat
>Original rules
Did you even read what i have written up so far? I'm assuming you didn't, because that's not what I've made.
>Shit
got me there.

>>33392806
I guarantee that you are all butthurt.

Why call them Sisters if they play and act nothing like sisters?

Should the Repentias be Khorne only or Undivided?

>>33392814
>it was Slaanesh only

Why? Khorne makes more sense, imo.

I'm not one for crunch, really. But if you need any fluff-guys, I'm willing to help out. Especially if I can make my dreams of a RED RAGE army a reality.

Also, because I want to spite >>33392806 that guy.

>>33392814
>Slaanesh only.
Oh, so you're one of THOSE fags.

>>33392852
so I can use my sister models and chaos models on the board at the same time. Thats literally the only reason im writing this Dex. It started out as a Dataslate for Miriael, but exploded when I thought of a couple ideas I thought were interesting, like ranged weapon cavalry in the form of the Pain seekers.
>>33392890
Seeing as it started as a small set of rules based around Miriael, I was kinda going with the fact that it would have been her retinue.

>>33392880
If you wanna write the flavor text for each of the units I wont stop you. Message me in the codex or comment on it with what you got

>>33392968
They'll all be more or less the same won't they?
>this sister was good...BUT NOW SHE ISN'T!!!

>>33393034
I guess, but ive at least tried to come up an interesting backstory for lady Soriaph. Its more for the Named characters and Special units im worried about.

You wanna know how I can tell you're just writing a bunch of wish fulfillment waifus?

Your codex is OP as fuck.

>>33393034
Can't we say exactly the same shit about CSM?

>>33393050
What've you got so far on her?

>>33393050
She is literally just what I said

>>33393073
So give me some suggestions on what to tone down. I've already raised the prices of a bunch of stuff
>>33393091
"Lady Soriaph had been a relatively high ranking member of the Order of Our Martyred Lady. After a direct order she made in order to secure an artefact of Chaos resulted in the deaths of all under her command, she was turned into one of the Ecclesiarchy’s walking punishments, a penitent engine. She was used as nothing more than a shield for her fellow sisters. After a short lived duel with a low ranking member of the World Eaters, she was soon left for dead with the very artefact she had tried to take for herself lodged in her chest. Soon after, She gave herself to the Daemon held inside the Artifact, and was forever melded to her Engine, feeling every pockmark and nick as if it was a festering wound. She leads a large group of fellow corrupted Penitent Engines, Each feeling the mechanical exoskeleton as if it were a ultra sensitive skin."
>>33393098
Thats ture, but it isnt JUST those words. I'm trying to (shitstorm incoming) forge a narrative here.

>>33393113
No, instead it's just "SOBS R SECRETLY EVULL ASSHOLES AND THAT MADE HER KAOS". It's incompetence bordering on brain damage

>>33393113
Wow, that actually does sound really fetishistic.

>>33393113
>She leads a large group of fellow corrupted Penitent Engines
Holy shit this is dumb. Like, so dumb.

You gotta make Chaos grey Knights next :^)

>>33393171
The a Chaos God-Emperor :^))))))

>>33393139
>>33393160

Ok so what's your suggestions, or are you just on the internet to tell everyone else they suck so you don't feel so bad

>>33393139
Ok, so how should I fix it? What else would fit? People get put into penitent engines for the reasons she was put into one.
>>33393147
if its about the whole sensitive skin thing, that's still from when it was a Slaanesh only thing, and I've yet to change it.
>>33393160
So are flying dreadnoughts and Daemon princes getting instant deathed because power fist.

Is there any way to save this idea at this point? I had a lot of faith until
>Each feeling the mechanical exoskeleton as if it were a ultra sensitive skin

I'm thinking that the best way to salvage the idea of KAOS SISTURS is to do something RADICALLY DIFFERENT from all other chaotic forces. The Sisters are pretty alien even within the Imperium. Why would they just play by Chaos' rules and be "evil sisters", when they could actually end up being a lot more.

>>33393184
That Horus Haresy already did for you.

>>33393197
Make it less fetishy

>>33393171
>>33393184
they are gonna be a part of my loyalist daemons codex, as troop choices

>>33393208
And we saw how well that worked, even if you're completely wrong about it

>>33393209
>make chaos less fetishy

You're talking about the wrong army for turning down the fetish man

>>33393221
We should talk about what Order Daemonettes would be like. I'm thinking we de-fetish them

>>33393240
No, do it.

The Emperor's Bitches are sluts in power armor. Chaos doesn't want tits and ass, it has Slaneesh. Chaos wants DEVOTION. It wants something that can punch hard and rek the imperium (even if they don't win). Look at >>33393206.

Chaos doesn't necessarily mean boner-ific. If you do, you may as well walk away because making a good army was never a priority with you.

>>33393240
Doesn't mean you have to glorify woman beating and have your little pet waifu raped into insanity

>>33393209
done
"Soon after, She gave herself to the Daemon held inside the Artifact, and was forever melded to her Engine. Filled with an unending rage that she could never be released from her bindings, she crusades in the name of the Blood God, hoping to find an opponent worthy enough to be worth dying to. She leads a small group of fellow Fallen inside both captured and converted Penitent Engines."
that any better?
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>>33393280
So now they are basically "Fuck you Dark Eldar we can have evul grrrrrls too" the army?

>>33393294
Doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't either

>>33393320
> now
They were always that.

>>33393320
What, no.

You want to remove fetish? Remove female. If you want an interesting army, make it such as that their gender is completely irrelevant to the actual fluff behind the army.

>>33393308
Now it just completely misunderstands how penitent engines work and who gets put in them and why. Why do want to pervert Sisters if you don't even know how they work?

>>33393370
>pervert

I think we found the answer

>>33393354
I mean before defetishizing.

>>33393370
Give me a suggestion of what to do then, because it seems like Nobody is gonna be happy with anything i make for at least one of the following reasons:
Not strong enough
Too strong
Muh Lore
Muh Purity

For fuck's sake I almost forgot what board I was on

>>33393402
Can't make everyone happy especially on something like lore don't strain yourself too much on it.

>>33393378
Oh I see.

The way I see it, this project had potential, and then it didn't. Until it gets defetisized, this project is fucked.

>>33393402
Scrap the entire thing and rework it from the ground up, taking actual lore into account. Yes, it's a big universe. Some shit will just have to be consistent though.

I think I agree with some of the Anons in this thread.

This idea is pretty shitty. I mean hell, lets look at some of the shit people have come up with.

>Sisters of chaos! Each flavor of the gods
>Stuff sisters of battle have, BUT EVIL

Overall this concept doesn't really hold water. Whats the point of it? It's drawn nothing new from the concept and pretty much macks of little originality while being a huge glaring flaw.

I mean really I have to ask, Whats the point of this huge pile of Mary Sue shit?

>>33393402
> muh strawmans

>>33393402
Dude, if you don't pay attention to even the slightly but of lore, whats the point?

Look at the Scraplootaz and Blue. It was an Extreme asspull of the lore, but it managed to produce some fun stuff that was much more coherent than this.

You're entire concept seems pretty piss poor, I mean, they're just sisters, but chaos.

Why bother? You haven't brought anything new and exciting to the table. Merely made a concept that sort of shits on another factions concept.

>>33393490
>Look at the Scraplootaz and Blue. It was an Extreme asspull of the lore, but it managed to produce some fun stuff that was much more coherent than this.
Not to mention Scraplootas dont exist solely to spite another faction or really be taken seriously at all.

>>33393519
Exactly. At their bare bones concept, Scraplootas are sort of logical anyway.

They're a bunch of Blood Axes, who ain't that right in the head anyway.

These sisters are not really logical in the fluff, because how do you get an entire faction from what basically amounts to a single nunary getting enslaved in ONE book to having entire factions of willing chaos nuns?

>>33393519
>Not to mention Scraplootas dont exist solely to spite another faction

You mean like CSM?

>>33393456
fun, mostly. The abilty to have rules for my scratchbuilds. The fact that while most people here on /tg/ seem to hate the idea, a lot of people ive talked to, mainly around mr FLGS, are into it and would like to help playtest it. That mixed with the fact that I like both Sisters of battle and Chaos and would like to be able to use both of them at once. I Was just going to make a few additions to the normal sisters codex like ONLY Miriael and stuff like that, but slowly realised that chaos sisters with loyalist rules wouldnt fit very well. so I decided to make my own rules for it, and reach out to various 40k communities for suggestions and help balancing.
>>33393490
Its not that I don't pay attention to the lore, its that anything i do to even TOUCH the lore in any way gets raged on by the hardcore lorefans. which i expected to happen anyways.
>>33393519
A lot of people assume I'm doing this out of spite for sisters. Thats actually as far as you can get from it. I LOVE sisters. they are my favorite army in all of 40k, but they get consistently shit on by GW.
>>33393554
Mainly because it would be an even blander, shittier , codex if it was only about Miriael, and I'de get yelled at for only having Slaanesh Sisters(like the original dex I made was)

>>33393558
Who can CSM ever spite?
How can one really hate such pitiful creatures.

>>33393558
Chaos Space Marines have deeply engrained history of why they fell, what happened and who they are.

Chaos Sisters? Kind of shit on the concept that Sisters of Battle don't really fall willingly.

>>33393554
>They're a bunch of Blood Axes
Freebooters, actually, which are basically just Baxes minus the regimentation.
>>33393558
>You mean like CSM?
They exist to mirror the SMs, CSoBs just plain fly in the face of everything SoBs are.

>>33393574
>I LOVE sisters
Not enough to know their lore.

>>33393597
Knowing the lore and following it like a religion are two entirely different things though.

>>33393587
>CSoBs just plain fly in the face of everything SoBs are
Please iterate

>>33393586
Scroll up read thread there's about an hour or so worth of arguing about this.

>>33393613
I don't quite get this. You're saying you know the Sisters of battle fluff, but you're saying "Fuck that, I want Chaos Sisters because they make my dick hard"

Do you even have a reason to have them as a faction and not say... a specialist unit? I mean, they could be like Cypher and the Fallen, I'm sure people would really not mind that.

But a whole faction of chaos sisters screams "I don't know or care about what I do."

>>33393574
>I LOVE sisters. they are my favorite army in all of 40k, but they get consistently shit on by GW.
And you solution is to... shit on the Sisters??

I wanted to salvage this idea. I sympathized, since I've also wanted to create a faction that's not!Sisters before, and /tg/ shit on me too.

But goddamn, this is a terrible idea.

>>33393613
>following it like a religion
Getting basic things wrong because "lelfun" is just as shit as being a lore lawyer. You would call a fandex that had lasguns oneshotting titans dumb, too.

>>33393616
>Please iterate.

Sisters of battle are warriors of faith. So devoted to the Emperor's cause that they can manifest his power through them in battle, no Psyker shenanigans needed, they just manifest his will right through themselves. They're the closest thing to Emperor Daemons he can muster.

And your idea is lolchaos them without a single point or cause. Your idea takes the very basic premise of them, super nuns with guns, and makes it "Women with guns"

So how about this. I make two Fandexes Concurrently. One thats just Miriael and her coven (so pretty much only the rules for her and a squad of fallen sisters, plus maybe mistress of pain) and a "full dex" just for fun. Thatway we can both have
1. An optional choice for use with chaos and
2. All the fanwank i can have.

Would that satisfy you guys?

>>33393684
Do whatever you, just don't post it here. Your ideas are universally terrible and your crunch sucks.

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>>33393451

Ok the trashcans have taken the thread, I'm out and you should too OP just wait til they go to bed/masturbate. Maybe at some other time there won't be so many people that hate fun and are too obsessed with the things that don't matter to discuss the actual army rules.

>>33393693
aren't*

>>33393693
> HURR U HAET FUN
You can stop bleating this buzzphrase any time.

>>33393693
>>33393684

>Dislike a concept and try to convay it breaks the spirit of a faction down to nothing and makes them just like another faction
>WELL YOU JUST HATE FUN.

I really don't get this, every one of /tg/'s little projects has tried to maintain itself within the fluff of warhammer 40k as a whole. Except this, that basically shits on the SoB.

I just gotta ask. Why Chaos Sisters? What is the point in them? Why try to force a huge faction of them anyway?

>>33393693
yeah, the thread last night went a lot better than this. I'm just gonna give up on asking /tg/ at this point. If any of you guys that actually put stuff forward wanna continue to contribute, just comment on the google doc.
>>33393724
I've said it a few times before in the thread, but I'll type it again. I want to use both my Sisters models and my chaos models on the field, without having them be count as (dont think i said that part come to think of it)
As to why make them a faction? I have a couple of ideas that I thought were good and was gonna Make rules for them.

>>33393751
Thats all well and nice, but really, your main idea does suck.

Chaos sisters beyond a single covern of possessed slaves seems alot more like personal wanking over an idea.

Perhaps just a fan data slate would piss of less sisters fans like me?

>>33393788
Like I said here:
>>33393684
I'll do both. I'll do my shitty fanwank and I'll do the dataslate. I just wont post the main dex here anymore.

>>33392880
>Why?

Slaanesh has a monopoly on tits.

truefax, brah

>>33391045
Sob should be the last faction to have a chaos codex.
Hell, i'd even prefer Chaos Grey Knights who can'T tell good from evil anymore and just mindpurge anything

>>33394703
>Sob should be the last faction to have a chaos codex.

I disagree.

Chaos Sisters are canon and should be represented on TT.

>>33394719
Chaos Orks are canon but I don't think they should be represented on TT.

Really, why are we wasting time with this shit when we could be making a Lost and the Damned fandex instead? You can put your Chaos Sisters in there if you really want.

>>33392880
Because excess is the thing nuns that only do rpayers and other boring shit is the thing they'll most likely fall for.
Never seen how someone grewing up in a christian school ends up a drug addict? Seen that waaay to much

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Reasonable Daemonettes of Order >>>>> sisters of chaos

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>Wargear is everything from the Sisters codex with the word "Dark", "Chaos" or 'Daemon" in front of it.
Try harder. Better yet, why not just play with the Chaos Marine codex? Its the models everyone cares about anyways.

>>33391713
>The Daemonifuge comic had an entire Coven corrupted and mutated by a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh.
>So fuck yourself.

>citing Daemonifuge as a base for anything ever
You fuck yourself

>>33395471
But muh Sister Stern.

>>33391860
>dat pic

oh my

>>33392711
>Edgy Sisters Fandex Thread
>Man, I really wish Sisters of Battle were just Slaaneshi sluts so I could fap to them better. Here's a fandex to justify that~

Sounds like someone has some mental problems and/or insecurities to handle, even some sexism in that.

That's kinda sad.

>>33392711
Don't let the fuckers stop you, OP. This project is awesome.

I now want to write some stuff about it.

ITT:
You can make chaos threads and fandexes about any faction, except for a mostly female faction

I knew /tg/ was sexist but this is just ridiculous

>>33393402
Anon, whatever someone do, there will always be people who dislike it.

I for one think it's a great project.

goddammit this is so cool.
some questions:

>can sisters ACTUALLY become chaos warriors? aren't they just like grey knights in terms of purity?
>what can I use to create the models? wyches?
>will this become a daily thread until it's done?

>>33395780
>you can't make a fandex that warps an interesting faction into fetish sluts

sounds alright and very not-sexist to me

>>33395780
> I want to rape a bunch of nuns, both in-setting and lorewise
> you're a bunch of sexist for pointing this out!
Okay champ.

I want to make a bunch of Slaanesh Sisters so I can pretend I'm sucking their qt feminine dicks~

>>33396372
At least you are honest.

I'm only offended because GW is more likely to put this out than an actual Sisters of Battle update.

>>33396340
>Because raping male characters, factions etc is totally okay but this is where we have to draw the line

>>33396408
Just because you're so monominded on your on fetishes doesn't mean everyone else thinks with their cocks 99% of the time.

>>33396146
>can sisters be corrupted
Yes, Look up Miriael Sabathiel
>What can i use to create the medels?
Chaos bits and recast sisters are probably your best bet, though you could maybe use some dark elf and Deldar stuff with some guardsmen and SM bits
>will it become a nightly thread till its done
Nah, Like i said earlier in the thread I'm no gonna post it here anymore

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>>33395761
that was someone mislabeling the thread on suptg.

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>>33391604
>May as well make a Loyalist Daemons fandex while you're at it.

What is 7th edition demonology? Leave pleb you obviously cannot handle the finer arts of the nobleman.

>>33391969
What? no! Just because you make chaos sisters doesn't mean anything you said in your first statement. First of all its cannon that sisters fall to chaos its not the main feature of the sisters more then its the main feature of any really loyal spacemarine chapter. The sisters don't have the "we are grey nights pure, no one falls" going for them all this does is create a refreshing rivalry.

>>33393724
>it breaks the spirit of a faction down to nothing

I'm sorry, i didn't know the sisters were anything more then spacemarine guard, buht female fetish army.

Also if faith is nothing to them, they fall to chaos and then grey knights have to kill them for being such heretics. Oh? but.. but muh canon anon! Well sucks for you that the fact is that chaos sisters are cannon from the master himself.

>>33396340 considering that /tg/ is host to smut threads on a work safe board you talk pretty big. It also sounds like your projecting and the op finds chaos aspects interesting as do alot of people. Chaos have cool gameplay mechanics and wargear. All op wants is to have his inverted imperium.

>>33396877
well, where are you going to post it?

>>33397352
probably on some of the 40k forums. I might come back and post it here after its more fleshed out so theres not as much to bitch about

>>33397369
what a pain.
oh well, hope to see your work done one day!

>>33397398
thanks. If you want to, send me an email and we'll work out something.

>>33397447
if you want I can playtest the fandex

>>33396480
Those faction's aren't centered around how NOT Chaos they are, nor are they as often physically raped into corruption as the Sisters are

>>33398516
That'll work. Good luck finding people to do it with though. Unless you want to test it over vassal.

>>33398598
>"hey, would you allow me to test a fandex? I'll just put one or two units, nothing gamebreaking"

do not fear comrade

>>33397237
>fall to chaos and then grey knights have to kill them for being such heretics
Too bad that isn't what happened

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>>33398655
Not that anon.

But some Sisters fell to Khornate corruption, Khornate Chaos Sisters confirmed for canon too!

>>33395471
>Waaaaah stop citing canon that I don't like

What a prick.

>>33398777
>some Sisters fell to Khornate corruption
Again, not what happened.

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>>33398985
Sisterfags confirmed for liars.

Glad we established this.

>>33399120
>implying corruption is the same as willful falling
Read the fucking thread, idiot.

>>33399120
Chaosfags confirmed for illiterate.

Glad we established this.

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>>33399290
I did and it makes no difference, moron.

When Space Marines fall to corruption we call them Chaos space Marines. When Sisters fall to corruption we CALL THEM CHAOS SISTERS.

Deal with it.

>>33399327
The only illiterate guys are you and now we can add dishonest to.

The Bloodtide story clearly shows Chaos Sisters.

>>33399399
Only under extremely excruciating circumstances that ended in their wholesale extermination
>>33399120
we established you Chaosfags are only doing this because you hate Sisters

>>33396324

Sisters of battle are fetish sluts as it is though. Sisters repentia for instance...

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> Chaos Sisters
lol

Hey guys, I'm thinking of pitching a Greater Good Orks codex soon. Get hype!

>>33399956
Why does everyone assume I'm doing this as some type of personal attack?

>>33396146
>>can sisters ACTUALLY become chaos warriors? aren't they just like grey knights in terms of purity?
Not really in studio fluff (fluff written directly by GW). But as 40K has very loosley enforced canon, it can happen in other places like Black Library and such. However, you'll get a lot of people thinking that 40K is all one continous canon that isn't up for interpretation, so there can be conflicting ideas on it.

>>33399120
Even as somebody who's a big supporter of pure SoB, I'm okay with this. Firstly, because it took outright mindjacking by a powerful Daemon and nanabot thing to make SOME of the Sisters fall, and secondly because even the vaunted Grey Knights needed special protection to gain that same immunity. Considering this, I think that it only serves to underline the purity of the Sisters.

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>>33399956
>we established you Chaosfags are only doing this because you hate Sisters

I don't hate the sister.

Just their fans

>Only under extremely excruciating circumstances that ended in their wholesale extermination

Not really.

Looks like a typical story of corruption to me. Loyalists get splashed by Chaos taint and they fall. A classic

If the Grey Knights weren't there we would have a warband of Chaos Sisters.

This can be repeated many times and for all the dark powers.

>>33392711
The problem with the concept of a Chaos Sisters fandex is that it simply is a doomed to failure idea from the get-go.

It's a concept in the lore that is meant to be reserved for the most particular circumstance, one of the rarest exceptions to lore in the entire franchise even. To make an expanded comprehensive ruleset based on it is one of the worse cases of bastardization you can do for the game.

It doesn't end there, though.

As a rules concept it's of little worth as well. You just end up copypasting the Sisters book, rename shit, add marks of chaos, replace the faith powers with chaos psychic powers, and allow for demon allies. What you end up with is an even shittier version of the CSM book. You also fail if you make your fandex stronger than the CSM book.

You're better off just making a two-page supplement rule pamplet, or trying to make fandexes of Sisters and CSM to make them not shit.

There's no winning with trying to make a Chaos Sisters rulebook.

If you want to make Chaos Sisters models, fine, have your fun. But there's no point in trying to make rules for them when you can simply disregard the allies matrix and otherwise do counts-as for rules as needed. If you cannot be satisfied with the great amount of leeway that gives you, then chances are you're a super-special-snowflake shitter who isn't worth engaging.

It's better to bend a few rules for your themed army than to create a fucking pile of them. Come back when you actually have an original idea for a playable army, something that cannot be easily replicated by ignoring the allies matrix rule.

>>33400737
> Loyalists get splashed by Chaos taint and they fall. A classic
Ah, but the important detail here is that not all of the Sisters fell. Note that only "some" are corrupted on contact with the Bloodtide. Also note that the Sisters are the most faithful force in the Imperium, being hand-picked and purpose-raised for faith. Basically, the Bloodtide was an insanely powerful example of chaos corruption, as it could affect Sisters. But even then, not all of them. So as Chaos corruption goes, it seems that it was notably severe.

Meanwhile, check out how the Sisters get on when they meet Nurgle's Plague of Unbelief:

> Throughout the plague, the Sisters of the Ermine Mantle remained unaffected, not one of the Sisters being afflicted by it.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071218114030/es.games-workshop.com/especialista/inquisitor/bestiario/repentia.html

The entire planet gets filled with zombies thanks to Nurgle's plague, but the Sisters are all immune. One does get slightly affected, but she fully recovers afterwards.So yeah, it takes a LOT to have a shot at corrupting the Sisters, it would seem.

>>33400663
>>33400663
>it can happen in other places like Black Library and such

Just a reminder that in one of the novels a Sister admitted that SOBs fall all the time but they don't talk about it.

I think it was the Emperor's Gift. You should know it, it's always brought up in Sister threads.

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>>33400897
You know why the plague didn't work on the Sisters?

It's not because of their purity, it's because ANYONE who was faith and hope in his heart will be protected from it. It was created by Typhus to target the faithless and hopeless masses of the Imperium.

>>33400754
You see, I appreciate this post. Instead of just being a douchebag, you gave clear and concise reasoning for your opinion and gave suggestions on what to do instead.

>>33400920
Yep, that before. But, as I said, 40K canon is very loosely enforced. BL authors, game developers, ect. are given quite a bit of free reign by GW when making stuff.

Personally, I don't think it really fits with the codex fluff (which is my own preferred interpretation of the Sisters). The thing with the Sisters is that they have mastered faith, they're designed in both nature and nurture to be the best that is humanly possible in regrds to faith. To say that their falling is a regular occurence, when Chaos corruption can be repelled with faith, just don't seem right to me.

Oh, but as a side note, I heard good things about Ben Counter's portrayal of them otherwise. He has them holding their own very well in combat, which is always nice to see.

>>33400982
? I didn't mention anything about them being "pure", just that they were uber-faithful. Though I think that one could make a case for total faith being a sort of purity in itself.

Hmm... Allright, according to your text, it just does affect the hopeless. However, I'll note that in the source I cited, a Sister was affected by it somewhat, and she certainly wouldn't have been devoid of faith/hope. Likely a case of things varying between sources.

Out of interest, where is that paragraph from?

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>>33401284
>and she certainly wouldn't have been devoid of faith/hope.

My guess is that she faltered a bit.

>Out of interest, where is that paragraph from?

(picture related)

>>33401284
>it just does affect the hopeless.

And faithless.

>>33401383
> My guess is that she faltered a bit.
Eh, I'm hesitant to agree. She went through the same upbrining as the other Sisters, and it even says that before being infected, she had never had cause to doubt the Emperor.

My guess is that she was... Special in some way, maybe being chosen by some sort of higher power. She starts having visions of evil people that she feels compelled to hunt down, afterwards.

> (picture related)
Ah. Now this may meet with your disapproval... But it may be that exactly how the zombie plague works can differ slightly between that book and studio fluff. Though, granted, I am not sure what the studio has said recently about how the Plague of Unbelief spreads. And not that this invalidates what that book in any way, of course, but it could be open for interpretation is all I'm saying.

But can Sisters have socks?

>>33401685
I'm Sorry? What are you getting at?

>>33400638
You said as much right here >>33399120

>>33401717
thats not me though, just some guy who is also posting in defense of the fandex

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>>33401629
>But it may be that exactly how the zombie plague works can differ slightly between that book and studio fluff.

The book is from GW digital. Meaning it's ''studio'' fluff. They were made to expand on characters lore and backgrounds.

>>33401705
It's a little joke I like to put in when people get deep into arguing about SoB fluff. In some of the past SoB threads somebody would often ask if Sisters coud have sex, which would spark off a shitstorm. So I ask about socks instead as a fun little nod to that.

>>33401830
Allright, anon. Looks like your source technically checks out. I suppose that this can be classed as a retcon.

>>33401960
I appreciate that

>>33401004
Thanks, or you're welcome, or whatever is correct in this instance, I guess.

What people fail to realize is that 40k already has a huge mass of rules to work with, and adding more should only be done as necessary.

I'm an ork player that uses diggas and a CSM player that uses malal themes.

My diggas don't need a custom statline, the shootaboy stats work perfectly fine. Tough oomies who can't aim as well as a guard with a flashlight since they're using huge unwieldy shootas.

Malal CSM isn't much more complex. Since I started it in the 4e book, I just ask to use the generic non-cult demons from it in addition to using the 6e codex. It's not a crazy request to ask since it's already printed material and doesn't blatantly confer any advantage to me. At very worst, they're reduced to counts-as daemonetts. (Alternatively, I could just use the Grey Knight codex for the entire army counts-as, but I'm not that big of a scrub.)

There's like a dozen codexes to pull rules from or otherwise counts-as. You shouldn't need to create a fandex if you're playing any sort of variant of factions currently in the game.

>>33397164
>its not the main feature of the sisters more then its the main feature of any really loyal spacemarine chapter
SMs dont have Faith rules or praise Big E so hard they cheat death.

>>33397164
>all this does is create a refreshing rivalry.
How is rehashing the oldest rivalry in the setting just with tits this time (actually that's wrong, plenty of Emperor's Children have one or more tits right about now) at all fresh?

>>33402354
You

see

>>33391724

>>33402425
We're not sure just what's up with those guys, though. But they're certainly not normal Space Marines... Something mighty peculiar's gone done happened to them boys, y'hear?

>>33402425
>a singular occasion under excruciating circumstances with no repeat occurences compared to an entire faction that does it on the regular
All this tells me is that SoBs are far more faithful than marines.

>>33397164
Actually, the Bloodtide fluff basically says outright that Sisters are more faithful than the GK. Some of the Sisters can resist with faith alone, all of the GK in it are described as needing the special protection offered by their blood ritual to be immune to the Bloodtide.

What the GK have going for them is that they do not rely on the strength of their beliefs alone, like the Sisters, but they supplement it with things like rituals, runes, ect. They can resist Chaos so well because they understand it well enough to have special techniques, whereas a Sister would never try to understand the nature of Chaos as much as the GK nor use most of the techniques that the GK use to resist it.

What's more, we see small cracks even in the GK. There's that one GK who has a small amount of doubt put into by the Changling's antics (note that it's his belief that has been chipped here), and the Purifiers, IIRC, are apparently even more resistant to corruption than other GKs, so apparently there's room for improvement for some of them. Anyway, my point is that they're both very good at resisting corruption, it's just that their methods differ, and that the GK aren't relying on innate "purity" alone.