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>>34337152
>2.

Somehow you felt it was stupid to be setting up a private tent for Annette when everybody else had to share. So you declared that you’d be sharing with her in order to keep an eye on her, garnering a few amused looks and a blushing yet annoyed one from Annette.

“So, why did you kidnap me?” she asks you, sitting on the edge of her blanket.

“You’re the heir to the throne,” you say, frowning. “Shouldn’t it be obvious?”

“The nobles control most of the military. They won’t care,” she declares.

“Really? Your father has that little say? Then why were we negotiating with him?” you ask, feeling very confused.

“That’s…” she starts to say before trailing off with a glare. “You know, you’re very different to the way you act. It’s frustrating.”

You give her an odd smile and shrug, taking her answer as a reason to move on. “In any case, Sir Talon will take you prisoner once I return you. He’ll probably just keep you captive until your father capitulates. I think he did that with Sarah.”

She stares at you. “He kept Sarah hostage? Really?”

You tell Annette the story you’d heard from Undine about Sarah. Annette listens with what you can only described as glee.

“This is amazing. Really, she has a go at me when she basically opened her legs for Imperator Talon,” she says, grinning madly. “Hah, I’m still doing better than her.”

You don’t have the slightest clue what to say to that. You ask her about…

>1. Why Farun is defending the TYE assault so heavily.
>2. Her father’s rule.
>3. Why she though it was important that she was your prisoner rather than Lord Talon’s.
>4. CUstom

>>34337177
>3. Why she though it was important that she was your prisoner rather than Lord Talon’s.

>>34337177
>2. Her father’s rule.

>>34337177
>>3. Why she though it was important that she was your prisoner rather than Lord Talon’s.

>>34337177
>3. Why she though it was important that she was your prisoner rather than Lord Talon’s.

Bitch please, you ain't got shit on Sarah.

It'd be wise to pump her for as much information we can get from her, maybe ask if some nobles would be willing to listen to the empire demands.

>>34337177
3, Why she thought it was important that she was your prisoner rather than Lord Talon's.

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>3.

“So, why did it matter that you were my prisoner rather than Sir Talon’s?” you ask her innocently, sitting on your knees in front of her.

What follows is a long period of silence, punctuated only by the sound of the two of you breathing as you stare at each other. Or, really, Annette stares at you. You just sort of gaze blankly into space after the first minute of silence. This goes on long enough that Mana eventually pokes her head into the tent. She joins the silence too, glancing between the two of you.

“I don’t know what the two of you are doing, but it would be less concerning to me if you at least made some noise beyond breathing,” Mana says to you with a small smile. “Well, heavy breathing might work, too – I’d at least know what you were doing. This just confuses me.”

As soon as Mana retreats from the tent, Annette immediately points after her saying, “That’s what I meant by it mattering. You doing things that would make her think ‘Oh, that’s what he’s doing.’”

You nod, not understanding a thing. Perhaps this is a good time to change topic. Women are so confusing. Unfortunately, most topic changes just result in her getting huffy. Apparently she’d expected something of you after the earlier question? Or maybe she just didn’t want to talk about Farun much. The only thing of worth you’d gathered is that Annette is clearly exasperated with her nation’s rule – maybe there was a reason she was travelling with such a light escort?

The night passed without any real event and the morning was similarly boring, apart from some prodding from Kuro and Mana about what you did with Annette. Surely they knew as they were clearly listening closely? You make contact with Lynn, too.

>continued

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>>34337514
“Mmm, it’s a good thing you grabbed her,” Lynn says, talking about Annette. “Fuurin and Arail weren’t happy when you ran off without Illon. Still, you’ve done really well, Finn! I knew you would act where they wouldn’t. Talon’s never so damnable cautious. It was so frustrating when they kept shooting down things because it was ‘too risky’. You know how it’s done.”

You blink, not sure what to make of Lynn’s words. You don’t really unravel them before returning to the battlefront and nobody ever brings them up again. Instead, all you get is a farewell with your team for now – they’re back to regular service and you’re back to being the Imperator’s squire.

At least you get a farewell kiss from Mana, on the lips for once, before you head off. She promises to catch up with you once her assignment is over. She said something about how you could work her off her duty. You’re not really sure what she meant – didn’t she say she only had a few months off after Farun is taken? Still, you don’t look a gift horse in the mouth and head back to Harrowmont, Annette in tow.

Once back in Harrowmont, and having dropped the princess off, you catch up with…

>1. Vadoric. He might have some advice for you about foxes.
>2. Rayza. You’d gotten used to her constant company recently.
>3. Undine. She might be able to explain Annette’s strange behaviour better.
>4. Custom

>>34337522
>3. Undine. She might be able to explain Annette’s strange behaviour better.

>>34337540
1, Vad

>>34337522
>>2. Rayza. You’d gotten used to her constant company recently.

>>34337522
>>1. Vadoric. He might have some advice for you about foxes.

Kind of want to see how this conversation goes.

>>34337522
>1. Vadoric. He might have some advice for you about foxes.

>>34337522
>3. Undine. She might be able to explain Annette’s strange behaviour better.

There is only one person can cure density on this level. Er, without leaving psychological damage.

>>34337522
>It was so frustrating when they kept shooting down things because it was ‘too risky’.

Lynn pls

>>34337522
>1. Vadoric. He might have some advice for you about foxes.

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>1.

You decide to catch up with Vad over lunch and ask him about Mana’ behaviour around you.

“Oooh, taking one of the spies into a combat zone. That’s a big move,” Vad says, wincing. “You come out of that alright?”

You frown. “Um, yes? She said she wouldn’t normally but couldn’t leave me to run into trouble alone.”

Vad stares at you, fork in his mouth, for a few seconds. You’d really appreciate it if people stopped doing that. “So, she just came along? How did that work out?”

You explain the happenings and battlefield trauma problems of your adventures in Farun to Vad. He then returns to staring at you. You steal some of his garlic bread as a consequence – if he’s going to be annoying then you’re going to eat his food. Fair’s fair.

“Well, I can certainly see why you’re Talon’s squire,” Vad says when he snaps out of it. “First time leading out in the real world and you’re literally just drowning in women. How was she in bed?”

“Clingy but soft,” you say, remembering the night you spent cuddling with Mana after her first combat. “Really soft. And fluffy.”

Vad snorts. “Better or worse than Rayza?”

You frown. “That’s different. I do different things with Rayza?”

“Wait, so you didn’t have sex with Mana?”

“N-no. Of course not,” you say defensively, blushing.

Groaning, Vad says, “Wow. You know, that’s literally the first thing you should do with her when she tracks you down. There’s not much point to having women throw themselves at you if you don’t sleep with them.”

“But I did-“ you start to say before your eyes widen. “Oh! So it’s an euphemism. When you say ‘sleep with someone’ it means ‘to have sex with them’, right?”

>continued

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>>34337789
“Uh, yeah,” Vad says, grinning goofily. “Wow. You didn’t know that? Sometimes I forget Tsucchi and Talon are teaching you this stuff. I’ll bet Tsucchi is too clinical, given I doubt she’s done it before, and Talon probably forgets you don’t have the slightest clue. Guy probably slept with a half his village before he was eighteen.”

You shrug a bit, moving back to the main topic. “But if I ‘sleep’ with Mana, won’t that cause problems with Rayza?”

“You mean the dragoness who has repeatedly told you your relationship is for fun, not love?” Vad replies dryly, wolfing (or should that be foxing, you wonder idly) down the last of his pasta. “I doubt she’ll complain. Heck, you might be able to line them up.”

“Line them up?”

“Err, one step at a time. But you want to do all the fun things you do with Rayza with Mana, right?”

You nod. You nod hard. You nod fast. By all that is good and holy do you nod. You nod so hard and fast that you fear you may have snapped your neck. You nod a few more times for good measure and to confirm you haven’t broken your neck.

Just imagining doing the things you do with Rayza but with Mana gets you really excited. Nodding is a good outlet for that as your mind wanders.

“Right, err, back to reality,” Vad says, grinning. “Butter Mana up a bit when you see her next. Make sure Rayza is fine, too. No need to burn any bridges – or future possibilities of being Talon Mark Two. Most female foxes take a backseat in romance – even Karise had to be proposed to in order to get out of her rut. Taira’s probably the only one ballsy enough to openly propose sex with men.”

You make some small talk with Vad for a while.

>Any questions for Vad or things to ask?

>>34337802
"So, wait. What other things are euphemisms for sex?"

>>34337802

Ask Vad about Annette's behaviour.

>>34337841
this too.

>>34337802
Princess Annette was making a big fuss about being "captured" by me and wouldn't why. Then, she stared at me for a while. Without. A. Word. What's up with that?

>>34337880
*wouldn't say why.
*Without. Saying. A. Word.

>>34337802
He should totally ask what Mana meant by work off her duty. Just randomly and in the middle of the conversation as he just remembers it.

>>34337522
>1. Vadoric. He might have some advice for you about foxes.
All the males really.
Rayza gonna grow fangs once word that the Finn's started building his harem, gotta get some tips to shut her down if possible.

>>34337802
Battlefield tips, anything to make us better.

How things are with Nate?

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>Ask Vad about Annette

You explain to Vad about Annette’s strange behaviour when talking about her being your prisoner.

He gives you a goofy grin at the end of the explanation. “Same story, but with more sadomasochism, really. I’ve heard she fancied you a bit during her visit – maybe she didn’t give up on you.”

You stare at Vad as he explains that you’ve somehow landed a third woman interested in you. It seems a little unreal, really. Maybe he’s just stirring crap. Something occurs to you out of nowhere, just then.

“Say, Vad, Mana said that maybe I would help ‘work her off her duty’. Any idea what she meant by that? I think she was referring to how she has to serve for years on end as a spy but I don’t understand how I could help her get out of that,” you ask Vad innocently.

After choking on his drink, Vad coughs out a response of sorts, “You’re taking your conceptive brew, right?”

“Y-yes,” you answer, confused.

“Talk to Talon about this. He’s better placed to give you advice on this. I mean it – talk to him before Farun falls. Otherwise you might find a few kits running around your feet before you know it,” Vad says seriously.

You don’t know what he means by that. Why would you have a few infant foxes running about your feet? I mean, they wouldn’t even be mystic foxes. Why regular foxes? So confusing. You think you’ve had enough confusion from Vad about the women in your life.

>continued

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>>34338112
So you ask him about his. “How’s Nate?”

Vad shrugs. “Alright. I’m beginning to sympathise with Mal, though. Dealing with women who want kids, and your kids in particular, is hard. I also don’t know how to explain to Talon that one of his best Lt Generals can’t fight because she needs to spend half her time being tended to by foxes to ensure she doesn’t miscarry. Urgh.”

You understood what he meant by women wanting children but didn’t understand the second part. Nate wanted children but Vad thought Talon might have a problem with it? That didn’t make much sense. You remember Talon telling Maloric to just settle in with Neir before. Maybe things are different because Nate is in the military?

“You’re taking your contraceptive brew, too?” you ask.

Vad grimaces. “Yeah, but not as regularly as I should. I started taking it on Talon’s advice but, uh, I’m not used to taking something regularly every two weeks. I sometimes miss a day. Or three.”

You have a feeling that’s a bad thing to do, especially if he’s so worried about it. After lunch you decide to track down Rayza – or so you’d like to say. Instead she ambushed you as you wandered about the castle. You…

>1. Try to talk to Rayza about Mana.
>2. Gush to Rayza about your first command.
>3. Give Rayza a coming home kiss.
>4. Custom

>>34338120
>>3. Give Rayza a coming home kiss.
Then 1.

>>34338141
Maybe instead of 1, start by asking her how she is. Then slowly bring in Mana.

>>34338120
>3. Give Rayza a coming home kiss.
then
>Gush to Rayza about your first command.

>>34338120
>>34338141
>>34338152
Tactically insertion, go! Supportan'.

>>34338120
>3
>2
>4 - anything happen while we were on the mission
>1

>>34338120
>2

Oh poor Vad, Talon set him up with the wrong lady

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>1. & 3.

You want to talk to Rayza about Mana’s behaviour and whether she’s been genuine about the ‘no-attachment’ comment she’s made. First though you must give her a coming home gesture. A kiss should do, you think.

Somehow it’s the next morning afterwards. You roll over and bump into your dragoness, waking her up. She gives you a kiss before beginning to draw on your chest with her fingers. You relax for a bit before realising that you ahd something to talk to her about.

“Do you mind if I sleep with other women?” you blurt out as Rayza idly draws a love heart on your chest.

As she gives you an odd look, you somehow feel this wasn’t the best time. Then she bursts into laughter. You’re not sure if that’s a good sign.

“Only you would possibly imagine asking that question at this time, Finn,” Rayza says before giving you another kiss. She’s feeling a little more lovey-dovey, to use her own words, than usual. Maybe she missed you? “I’ve said it before but I’m not too worried about other women.”

The way Rayza emphasis the ‘too’ in her sentence, as well as the sharp look in her eyes, makes you wonder if she hasn’t been too genuine recently. You’re really going to have to get advice from Talon on this. In the meantime, you have the morning all to yourself. You’re not due to head back to the front for a few more days, after all. Best enjoy your time with your wonderful dragoness.

>That’s the thread.

Next thread is on August 29th at 6:30pm EDT.

I’ll be around for questions and banter as usual.

For those wondering about the lack of GDocs updates, I’ve been busy working on the way the economy works so that it supports economic and population growth with the new year in-quest.

>>34338312
Thanks for running Aspie.

>>34338312
I guess having the mages we rescued gonna help us somehow in the long run do you plan to have Finn interract with them later on? Maybe with the scouting party he went in too?

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>>34338362
I'm not sure whether the scouting party will feature again. I just thought this would be a neat way to show Finn gaining more Leadership as well as doing a thread that's not heavy on numbers and management.

>>34338312
Mana didn't seem that used to killing, is she that green/young or is it a character flaw?

>>34338378
I think it would trully be good for him to have the same guys under his command from time to time, maybe not as a scouting party but like a mini royal guard if Talon decide to send Finn on official business if that's something you can send a squire?

>>34338380
>Squeamish at the sight of others dying
>Character flaw

Not everyone is the Punsiher, Anon.

>>34338312
What will next thread be about?

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>>34338380
She's a young fox from the Garrotte clan who got rolled into doing intelligence work because that's what they do. She knows how to use her tails to inflict a lot of damage (basic training for foxes deployed in the field) but isn't very experienced or even combat-ready at all. She's just very powerful like most foxes - your average four tail fox is rocking the same amount of magical power as a magister is.

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>>34338402
It'll be a return to Talon managing his empire. The main things are Caitlyn's birthday, talking to Alyce about the canal and alliance and talking to Sylvian about the future of the Mage Guard. I'll probably include the olive oil business proposition unless somebody proposes something more interesting.

>>34338432

Will we get updates on how the conquests are going as well? I'm assuming we don't need to micromanage anything about the invasion?

So to clarify, how hard was Finn nodding? I don't think I really grasped the severity of that nod

>>34338432
What is the history between Sarah and Anisette

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>>34338444
A normal human would need a neck brace after nodding like that.

>>34338442
With the strategy you choose and this thread, not really. There's not a huge amount of risk present. I may do a few behind-the-scenes rolls to determine Farun's behaviour, however. Should those go poorly there may be some rolls. An assault on a place like Brissec or Farun itself would need rolls.

>>34338470
Many of the noble families of the region know each other. Sarah and Annette just always rubbed each other the wrong way. Both were attractive, ambitious and around the same age. Both were excellent at their personal pursuits - Sarah at magic and Annette at combat. That created a lot of competition between them, particularly as they grew up. Lyyph could very well have been engaged to Sarah instead of Annette, after all.

So Arail's bin entry says he's both a Mage-Knight and an Adept Mage. So building off another anons suggestion would it be difficult for him to summon an air elemental (assumedly a Knowledge one) that would help him with aerial formations, keeping tabs on weather for ideal flight times, and other miscellaneous things? I assume Mal could help him out with the summoning like Gareth/Bartom. But would it be useful for him? Would be benefit from it? He's one of our rare dual classers, and it seemed an idea since anons were interested in.

>>34338480
How many respect points did Finn earn pulling this all off?

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>>34338630
Loads. He's truly recognised as Talon's squire. The scouting party with him got plenty of accolades as well.

>>34338617
Arail is strong enough to summon a weak-moderate familiar.

>>34338746
How strong do you have to be to stop your aging as a human? I have this vague feeling that Sarah will forever be a teenager.

>>34338833
No way, she's going to go full MILF on us in a scant 25-30 years.

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>>34338833
Sarah's unlikely to be able to stop her aging before she's in her 30s at the earliest. She's competent enough to pull it off then if she desires (and she certainly will).

>>34338880
Interesting. Her magic statline is higher than some of the knights who have stopped their ages though.

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>>34338897
Which knights? Most knights slow their aging at best.

Mal and Alyce stopped their aging in their 20s because they're prodigies. Talon uses astral power so he's special too. Most mages don't hit magister level until their 30s and it can take some time before they can stop their aging. There's a reason Archmagister Holland appeared to be in her early 40s.

>>34338857
>MILF Sarah
this requires that talon stops taking his brew.

Did rayza get her missing hand regrown?

After this thread I dub Finn, The Young Griffin. Because everyone needs cheesy nicknames to yell as battlecries.

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>>34338951
Yeah. It basically just regenerated overnight - by the time you saw her again it was back. Dragons can't really be permanently scarred without some seriously powerful magic.

>>34338935
On that note, I'm likely going to use Vad and his kids as a test for how children go. It's not the same but will at least test some elements. It's something I wouldn't mind exploring at some point.

>>34338991
It's a slippery slope. One girl gets pregnant, suddenly all of them are going to want Talon's kids.

>>34338991
That could be dangerous. This could quickly turn into Babies&Governing with a side of Economics Quest.

>>34339011
just as planned... ultimately.
Its just not exactly the right time right now

>>34338991
Would Vad having kids perhaps push him to just join the empire properly? Though that would depend on his approach to parenthood

>>34338991
The main issue with kids are that they take a long ass time to grow.

>>34339045
By this point he may as well be in the empire. He is referring to his own clan as "Ren's clan"

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>>34339048
To be truthful, time skips are going to become longer shortly. Mustering times will grow alongside travel times. Funds will become a greater binding etc. It will be more than a year in-quest relatively soon and that will speed up by a bit if things go as planned.

>>34339045
He's effectively part of TYE but yes, having kids would probably cause him to actually swear fealty properly.

>>34339026
I'm not sure I'd let that happen even if Talon did have kids. It's more a thought bubble than anything else at this stage, though.

>>34339011
Not all of them can have kids as is, though.

You know I was just thinking about the magic system and it made me go to the possibility of cheating using Astral plus magic.

Like use astral powers like we did to send out magical energy to mages who then rapidly use it to power up a item that stores magical power.

>>34339114
This does make me hope we'll have a POP arc near the end since the skips will be getting longer and longer.

>>34339114
>He's effectively part of TYE but yes, having kids would probably cause him to actually swear fealty properly.
I kinda feel like Talon is starting to be a bit of a ponce about getting people to swear fealty. Especially since nothing is enforcing that other then their own sense of honor and actually pushing for it prematurely can have negative consequences.

I know its good to consolidate power, but sometimes I find it a bit grating. Like how we are pushing for it with the foxes. it just feels premature and as if we are missing out on more genuine loyalty

>>34339114

Actually talking about the interaction of Astral powers here >>34339122

Something I've been wondering for a while. Is it possible for a Astral being to have magic powers? Or is that mutually exclusive? We know Talon doesn't have it but is that because all of them doesn't?

>>34339182
I hope so too.

>>34339210
Honestly Talon doesn't really seem to care much for me. He hasn't asked Vad or Rayza to do so yet. He only really brought it up to Ren I think because he'll be a citizen in the empire and is pretty damn powerful himself.

>>34339212
astral ARE magic powers
do you mean evocation or transmutation?

>>34339114
has talon ever been involved with a real yandere?

I am wondering if lynn and finn learned the right lessons here.
they were supposed to learn from the seasoned generals
but instead got lucky with risky moves the seasoned generals advised against.
Then again, such behavior is more talonish

>>34339270
They mostly learned more tactics. It wasn't particularly hard for Finn to take Annette because he had the advantage of the mages to wipe out the rest at the guard post.

So It isn't all blind luck.

>>34339231
The effects of Astral is much stronger then most magic. Which is why it has an advantage over everything. Even if sorcery in general means everything we typically say Astral as it's own thing.

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>>34339212
You can't have both astral powers and sorcery. They don't play well together.

>>34339245
Probably not.

>>34339210
>I kinda feel like Talon is starting to be a bit of a ponce about getting people to swear fealty.
It's never been an issue before and I was a bit surprised about the way it come up with Ren.

>>34339182
If PoP's aren't handled earlier, then I'll likely clear them whenever you take the territory they're in.

>>34339270
It's probably more accurate to say that Lynn used Finn to accomplish the sort of thing that the other generals were advised not to do (bulldoze Farun with powerful heroes). They also probably didn't think Finn was that capable - he may be not-so-strong in Talon's party but he's a demigod compared to most knights and mages.

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>>34338964
So much this, maybe have the squad call him that between them and as he grow in power the rest of the army will start calling him that

Random question, was Vad suppose to end up with another NPC in your canon Aspir? Or was he just going to float some until something presented itself like Nate?

Bump. Gotta few questions after work

>>34342598
Bump. Typing up my stuff now.

>>34339527
So, couple of really important questions, and a few not so important ones:
First, How much did Sarah gloat when Annette arrived at Harrowmont?
How amusing was the resultant catfight?
Did talon have to order them to kiss and make up?

Now for the less important bits:
You've said that Vampires need blood because they can't draw mana from the surrounding region right? Is there any reason why we can't make a magical item to do the job for them? I think that there is magitech that draws its power from the surrounding region.
Could we use the same style of armor that Talon, Finn and Lynn use and make a magitech template for mass production? Between the fluffy tails, our elite knight training and the Daywalkers it might be practical.

>>34337152
HEY!
Great to finally get to catch a thread- i read from the archives- keep up the good work bc i love the quest so far (not the harem stuff so much as the battles and tactics)

Btw, maybe as a test could you switch the crits? (nat 1=super crit success) just to see what happens, bc we roll ones for dayzzzzz

>>34339527
>If PoP's aren't handled earlier, then I'll likely clear them whenever you take the territory they're in.
Frankly, if Sylvian agrees to help us out, the dugeon diving will become really boring.

>>34346573

I think we're going to see a large shift away from dungeon delving and small time activities, into more empire management and large scale conflicts with the main party getting their chances to shine in other ways outside of combat.

I think this is why the addition of the Finn Party would be a good thing for the occasional light thread where he does his crazy shit that's more in line with the early days of the quest.

>>34346674
Yeah, I was just pointing out that there are two types of dungeons, ones Sylvian can solo with minimal effort, and ones that will probably kill Talon.
As for Finn's party, it does have promise though I'd personally make a few changes to the lineup. Mainly, the addition of a mage and a daywalker.

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Harrowmont map update.

I've been working on it in bits and pieces during the week with Aspirational, so if he shows up he can answer any questions better than I. Oh and ignore the 3 squares up there.

Once I finish up with this, I'll retool the star-fort and canal plans and give them over to Aspirational for when he wants to do decisions for either or.

Also planning on during a contour/elevation map at some point so everyone can get a better feel for how Harrowmont is set within the cliff face.

>>34347370
Thanks.
>>34346781
Add in Annette. After all, she's probably going to join the Order of the Griffon. Its like hostage taking, but far more polite.

New discussion item: what sort of Patterns do you want Mal to make.
Hard Mode: besides griffons

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>>34347906

Warforged.
And Griffins.

>>34347906
Artificial Elementals. Mal's best attempt at creating a pattern with the same abilities as a pure elemental. Naturally he won't succeed, but he might surpass a Greater elemental's maximum in the Pattern Familiar Version.
Valkyrie. An attempt to create a Pattern that uses sorcery to mimic the angels of old. Mal made them all female as a joke on Talon.

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I'm here for Q&A, but vanish for a few hours shortly.

>>34339753
Caitlyn was actually the MC of another story later in the timeline. She basically builds a harem of fluffy tails, including Vad and Ren. Otherwise, romance plans have mostly been spur of the moment things.

>>34344597
>Sarah and Annette
They haven't met yet. Sarah's been in Vitria recently in preparation for the end of the financial quarter and calendar year.

>You've said that Vampires need blood because they can't draw mana from the surrounding region right? Is there any reason why we can't make a magical item to do the job for them?
The particulars of their curse basically means their body processes magic in an odd way. It may be possible to supply them additional magic despite this, however.

>Could we use the same style of armor that Talon, Finn and Lynn use and make a magitech template for mass production?
The complexity of your armour is far beyond the current state of magitech factories. I intend on building a proper research tree (after some prodding by an anon via email) so that you can start working your way to better quality factories etc so that you can do this sort of thing eventually.

>>34346674
>>34346781
Yeah, for the most part dungeon diving isn't going to be the big risk it used to be. They'll mostly be difficult due to the amount of time necessary to find them and the potential for other factions to interfere. The exceptions are PoPs 5 and 4 - the former because the shadow beasts dwelling deep in the mountains are crazy dangerous and the latter because you'll get your shit slapped if you go in any forbidden areas of the Last Retreat.

>>34347370
Oh, right. I've retconned the noble estates area of Harrowmont to be more spacious now that I have the dimensions. Basically, I massively underestimated the sheer scale of the place. So there's now 15 estates there instead of 3. Gnome's built 3 manor houses and you already have an archery range.

>>34348073
The original timeline is in a thousand pieces at this point, isn't it?

>>34348073
>spoiler

Truly no being is able to resist the allure of the fluffytails.

>>34348073
>They haven't met yet. Sarah's been in Vitria recently in preparation for the end of the financial quarter and calendar year.
But will it be amusing?

>>34348073
>They'll mostly be difficult due to the amount of time necessary to find them and the potential for other factions to interfere.
And the fact that another faction can just steal them back if you don't secure them.

>>34348073
Oh that also reminds me of something I wanted to ask. Which areas do you want to have utilized for the current 3 Noble Manors and Archery Range? If you'd be so kind as to number them on the map that would be great.

Also right now I think it goes Sarah's Manor, Neir's Family Manor, and Marcus the Merchant/Empty Manor, is that correct?

>>34348073
>The particulars of their curse basically means their body processes magic in an odd way. It may be possible to supply them additional magic despite this, however.
So basically we need a magical AC/DC converter

>>34348279
Probably more like the universe runs on windows, and Vamps are the only people using Macs. Back when programs made for one didn't work for the other.

>>34348073
By the way, do you have any of those useful vampires you've been alluding too actually made up yet? I'm kinda expecting to run into Volante's "son" or "daughter" when we start reintegrating them.

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>>34348133
I tore it apart for the sake of entertainment so it at least died for a good cause.

>>34348176
Probably.

>>34348218
>Also right now I think it goes Sarah's Manor, Neir's Family Manor, and Marcus the Merchant/Empty Manor, is that correct?
Most likely the empty manor will go to Noah as an embassy of sorts.

You can probably assume the occupied slots start in the upper-right and run along the wall, with the archery range being the more oblong shaped slot. Gotta make sure it's nice and big for lots of soldiers to practice.

>>34348388
Volante never sired anyone. I also just realised you've never done anything about Aladria in Raupe - I think I'm just going to roll her and her manor into the flashback arc.

>>34348432
>I also just realised you've never done anything about Aladria in Raupe

Basically Raupe is the vampire containment territory. I'm surprised someone with a grudge against Talon hasn't decided to try to tear it up yet.

>>34348432
>Volante never sired anyone.
Huh, I personally pegged him as the type to have tried to forge some sort of elite Daywalker combat unit. I had just assumed he had left them behind because he was going on a suicide mission, and because that would have caused us to escalate with our elite. Maybe such an organization would have seemed to be but a shadow of the Knights of Basette?

>>34348601
Speaking of, I wonder what knightly orders Volante and his father founded for Darlesia? Screw it, make up Knightly order names:
Order of the Silver Wolf
Dayguard
Phoenix Knights

>>34348432
>You can probably assume the occupied slots start in the upper-right and run along the wall, with the archery range being the more oblong shaped slot. Gotta make sure it's nice and big for lots of soldiers to practice.

Alright I'll keep note of it, going to create a key for it at some point.

I'll email you about the Keep, little details, and canal projections, just so I can get a headstart on that, later. I'm off for now.

>>34348063
>Valkyrie. An attempt to create a Pattern that uses sorcery to mimic the angels of old. Mal made them all female as a joke on Talon.
I'll support this, provided their wings look the same as the Griffon's.

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Quick question about the combat in this session: did I succeed in making it seem more (for lack of a better word) brutal? I've been trying a different style of description with Finn to account for the fact that he tends to be rather vicious in battles to make up for being (usually) weaker than his foes. Talon usually just bulldozes everything and doesn't concentrate on what he's really doing. Not sure if that came through, though.

Anyway, I'll be back in a few hours to answer any new questions.

>>34348601
Volante was always more of a tragic style of vampire. He sealed himself up in his armour so that he couldn't spread his curse. Then he fought because it was the only worthwhile thing he thought that he could do.

>>34348850
>Quick question about the combat in this session: did I succeed in making it seem more (for lack of a better word) brutal?
Yes, definitely. If anything, you overdid it by having Mana's reactions play such a central role.

>>34347906
12' tall guys with rhino horns, four arms, an exoskeleton made of enchanted steel, an electrified bladed tail, regeneration and fire breath, of course.

>>34348850
I thought that from the start about Finn. He fights like a psycho and suffers the most brutal damage out of everyone. The ultra violence goes nicely with his personality.

Yes. My main question is why we never ran into more daywalkers in actual combat. I think a grand total of 4 daywalkers actually fought us, all elites. Any reason we never ran into more moderately experienced daywalkers? There seemed to be none in the actual military

>>34349508
I think daywalkers were supposed to be fairly rare and boss-tier because of it, and their abilities automatically put them at elite level because they were head and shoulders above standard nightwalkers with their extra abilities.

>>34348073
>Yeah, for the most part dungeon diving isn't going to be the big risk it used to be. They'll mostly be difficult due to the amount of time necessary to find them and the potential for other factions to interfere. The exceptions are PoPs 5 and 4 - the former because the shadow beasts dwelling deep in the mountains are crazy dangerous and the latter because you'll get your shit slapped if you go in any forbidden areas of the Last Retreat.
Since the other PoPs are not that dangerous anymore with current power levels. does that mean they can be done faster than dedicating several full threads to it?
because there are some pops we can grab to powerup undine and the reason that idea was unpopular is the lack of desire to dedicate 10 threads to it right now

>>34348850
>Quick question about the combat in this session: did I succeed in making it seem more (for lack of a better word) brutal?
yes, felt a bit too brutal at times

>>34349508
>>34349728
Sorta like "Talon is pretty god tier, and he's prob one of the weakest astral users since he's still learning, all the people who use astral are insanely powerful, how come we don't see more moderate astral users?"

Because astral users are rare as fuck and actually having that power, even in fledgling stages still makes you a beast.

I imagine the daywalker comparison is similar, just on a lower power/rarity scale

>>34347906
Amazons. Sexy, powerful, amazons

>>34349508

I was of the opinion that the strength of the Daywalkers was played up significantly to make Taour appear a larger threat than normal. The main ones we fought were the long lived experts, while most of the modern age Daywalkers were nobility, aristocrats, and etc. And while they had high level blood and shadow magic on their side they hadn't the time to hone their craft yet. Thus why a lot of the Daywalkers we met outside of the Elites were young and scared of Talon and why Aspirational alluded to us losing some useful higher ups when we did some sacrificial lamb killings to help quell the masses.

>>34349805
I'd rather not skip through the dungeons, we might find more cool shit like Corrfax.
Also, we should tailor the party for the difficulty, send a team that will actually get xp from the encounter.

>>34348850

It had a certain ruthless brutality to it. Finn just going about it like it was just another task added to that as well. His complete willingness to behead someone at a whim, or bear hug people into MMK toasters was frightening. The term "honed knife" doesn't do Finn justice.

>>34349871
>I was of the opinion that the strength of the Daywalkers was played up significantly to make Taour appear a larger threat than normal. The main ones we fought were the long lived experts, while most of the modern age Daywalkers were nobility, aristocrats, and etc
This applies to anyone who just gets immortality and power handed to them. Your average dragon or fox is not that big a threat. they have tons of potential but that is it.
The elites are those who actually work hard at it. A daywalker can be terrifying if they apply themselves to master combat or magic instead of just partying it up all day like a normal person would

>>34350031
Right. And there is a world of difference between a 100 year old vampire like Volante and a dedicated, but not overly talented, soldier of 5 years experience.

>>34348850
Hey, random powerlevel question. How would A generic magi League Spellblade compare against the following beings:
1. Finn
2. Felix
3. Generic God-knight
4. Generic daywalker knight

>>34338925
>Talon uses astral power so he's special too.
Sorta confused as to why oddities weren't noticed sooner by Mal then. I mean, if he stopped aging a few years ago when his apparent sorcerous power wasn't even close to being powerful enough, you'd think people would start asking questions.

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>>34349234
>Yes, definitely. If anything, you overdid it by having Mana's reactions play such a central role.
Fair call. It made a certain amount of sense to me to focus a bit on Finn's bizarre behaviour in contrast to most people but I can understand if people think it was a bit over-the-top.

>>34351256
But the thing is, Talon's sorcerous power did appear strong enough. You never did anything that was outrageously impossible with sorcery before. Instead you were just inefficiently using magic, as far as he could tell.

>>34350864
A generic spellblade would probably only be a threat to Felix, but he could probably defeat one due to his superior skill. And maybe a daywalker knight, but there's not really a generic daywalker.

Finn and god-knights would stomp a regular spellblade.

>>34351399
>Instead you were just inefficiently using magic, as far as he could tell.
Oh, I think Talon's original character sheet had confused me. When, you compare it to Sarah, she seems to have the edge in magic power and reserves.

>>34351399
>And maybe a daywalker knight, but there's not really a generic daywalker.
That's going to make it rather difficult to make military units out of them, isn't it?

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>>34351543
Magic as an attribute is a bit of a mix of raw magical power and talent at using that power. Talon is using more power than most any mage can but it's not used as efficiently.

>>34351577
Ayep. That's not to say you can't try but it won't be easy.

>>34351935
Do dawalkers have a good idea about what causes their abilities to vary? Background, sire, magical talent. Because to me, it seems that all we need to reliably get vampires who have empowerment and regen. Then they can function as a unit, while adding in any unique tricks like Volante's invisible blade shenanigans. Probably be easier if they were veteran soldiers before they became daywalkers.

>>34352044
Daywalker magic seems to reflect the personality/desires of the person who got Vampe'd. Volante saw himself as a monster, and his abilities were monstrous in nature. Dalarn saw himself as a mage, and a mage he was. Blackwater saw himself as an immortal statesman, and his powers reflected that. Ergo, chose people who see themselves as soldiers and mage-knights, and you'll get relatively similar abilities.

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>>34352044
It's a bit of everything, really.

The actual magical power of the vampire is determined by their sire and personal magical potential (somebody such as Sarah or Mal would make for a very powerful vampire). Weak vampires can sire vamps stronger than them but they'll still hamper their potential as a result.

The actual abilities themselves are determined by their personality and ambitions. There's usually an ironic bent to them. Volante was an amazing knight so received enormous empowerment and tricks like the shadow blades, but hated his vampirism and had extremely powerful regeneration (making it very hard for him to die and ensured he'd never forget he was immortal undead). Lady Terce was a wonderful singer but would never be able to know if people listening to her voice were enthralled or genuinely appreciative. You know, silly and overly tragic stuff like that.

>>34348432
>Aladria

Hahahahah. Been wondering when she would come up.

>>34352689
Does being undead actually mean anything in this setting? I mean, its not like there are any skeletons running around. As far as I can tell, besides champions like Undine, who don't seem to get a raw deal, the only other undead are the revenants.

Anyway, it seems to me that if you want to create a Daywalker knight unit, we go to those Mage knights and men at arms with some magical talent. They don't have the money to buy the fancy suits of mage armor the noble knights use, and their small magical talent is more like a curse, a drop of power insufficient to get them admittance into the knightly orders, but enough to tantalize them with power. Some of them will want to stand on that height. Some of them will want it badly, badly enough to be willing to become a vampire in order to equal or even surpass those knights.

That should give us a core of frankly mediocre Daywalkers, but ones with similar abilities and the professionalism to work as a unit.
>>34352247
Hey, I was basically right. go me.

>>34349728
I always got the feeling that while daywalkers are powerful at the start they are mostly humanish in stats. Their big thing is their magic tricks and being able to ignore the sun and odd ways of Enthrallment.

Nightwalkers on the other hand start out strong multiply faster then normal and don't need as much training. But cap out a lot sooner then daywalkers and Sunlight hurts. So their main use is turning normal men into stronger then normal men.

>>34352971
Personally when we find a cure for enthrallment I want to do something like.

"500 Nightwalker Slots this year. Those who agree get 2 times the normal pay for their services and a nice retirement fund."

Then use that it turns you immortal and stronger to try and get blood knights and shit to join up into it. After that produce some LMK or HMK plate depending on which one they join.

Daywalkers I mainly want to go for the intellectuals and the Knights with decent magical potential who won't become mages. At least that's my viewpoint.

>>34352689
Just to ask because it's been brought up before. But how much potential would daywalker Felix have?

>>34353095
I'm in favor of creating a "day-guard" which is sorta the tragic hero "gave up his humanity to protect the country" vibe. The idea is to basically physiologically screen potential candidates for those with teamwork qualities and a high likelihood of having the type of abilities we want, whatever those are. It won't produce the most powerful candidates, but it will produce reliable, trustworthy useful daywalkers, which is much more important.

>>34352689
On a lighter note, will Fin and Annette follow the tradition set down by Talon and Sarah?
That is, have their first night together in her room, on the day Farun surrenders.

Despite the various statistical advantages to having a large vampiric force, I don't think that we should be encouraging people to become vampires. Once our research into Curing Thralldom is complete, we can start reintergrating the vampires back into society. We can let people to want to become Vamps do so of their own free will, but we should not incentivise it. After all, each race is equal in the TYE... not to mention the lingering resentment of Vampires due to the Tauor assault on Darlesia...

>>34353245
>We can let people to want to become Vamps do so of their own free will, but we should not incentivise it
Actually, we'll need population controls for incredibly obvious reasons.

>>34353245
>not to mention the lingering resentment of Vampires due to the Tauor assault on Darlesia...
That has basically been dealt with. And there are plenty of ways you can spin military service on the parts of vampires as a social positive. They die so you don't have to, they're paying a debt to society, see they can have the responsibility of citizenship or however you want to spin it.

>>34353181
For me we shouldn't create too many daywalkers when we finally can. Mainly because those work best strong.

Another thing to remember is that each one created is another we have to feed which strains the structure. So personally I think it should be pretty damn rare we make any daywalkers.

>>34353349
So? That seems to be an argument in favor of creating more daywalkers, and less nightwalkers.

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>>34352971
>Does being undead actually mean anything in this setting?
It would be a spiritual thing to many people (and no, I don't mean the magic). Being undead means you've ceased to the 'natural' you, insofar as somebody using magic can be considered natural. You become a magical being rather than a user of magic - this makes you vulnerable to spiritualists. Given the role of spiritualists in destroying monsters I'm sure you can imagine the viewpoint this creates for most people.

Also, being undead generally involves some nonsense around souls and the like. Most people don't know much about that, though.

Oh, and there is necromancy. It's just massively forbidden and doesn't do resurrection (ala DnD). Kushan used it to great effect.

>>34353204
I can't see Annette being in Farun the day it's conquered.

>>34353168
He'd be superficially like Volante but his personal problems around his view of 'evil' and his own role in that would also seriously warp his abilities. So yeah, he'd be strong but expect his abilities to be a little weird.

>>34353245
I only want to encourage it in the military and even then in limited numbers. Like find the people who have Talent but not enough to reach knighthood.

Then have a limited number of slots per year to keep the amount of needed feeding lower. Then give them something like double the pay and access to a military supply of the stuff that feeds them now. Can also use the immortality as bait.

If anyone asks just say the pay and the likes is due to greater service due to being willing to stop being human for the empire. Outside of the military is a different story.

>After all, each race is equal in the TYE

I've honestly always viewed that as Talon doesn't give much of a crap what you are so much as what you can do for his empire.

>>34353375
Got to remember though Nightwalkers are physically stronger and faster then daywalkers and produce a lot faster.

So we could easily say create 200 Nightwalkers in a single year who can start fighting right now with all their advantages at the start.

Vs say some mediocre daywalkers who will take a few years to get a high grip on their powers. A big disadvantage to them is as useful as they are mages are far more useful due to larger pools of powers. So we'll need to go for people who could be knights or the likes.

So for military use nightwalkers are actually better so long as the daywalker isn't particularly strong.

>>34353445
>necromancy

So could we like call up the dead to have a chat with or something? Or is this closer to say zombie horde necromancy.

>>34353567
>So we could easily say create 200 Nightwalkers in a single year who can start fighting right now with all their advantages at the start.
and cost blood. You fill up the slots with daywalkers, then add extra nightwalkers. You're basically making a replacement for spellblades.

>So for military use nightwalkers are actually better so long as the daywalker isn't particularly strong.
Daywalkers are almost always stronger on a man for man basis.

Also this talk about vampires reminds me of something interesting. Reading Lynn's sheet it says that things that physically change her doesn't work. But things like mental attacks do.

She is immune to thralldom. So whatever it does must be something that physically changes the body and not mentally.

>>34353709
If I remember right daywalkers actually start with human level stats while nightwalkers start higher. They just lack the magic the daywalkers have.

> You fill up the slots with daywalkers, then add extra nightwalkers.

That wouldn't be all that useful though. I would find something like 5 daywalkers of high power and 100 nightwalkers of talented normal soldiers more useful vs 100 daywalkers of mediocre power and 50 nightwalkers.

Not saying we shouldn't create some but in general daywalkers are awesome mainly for the knights while nightwalkers are awesome mainly for the normal but talented soldiers who won't be knights.

>>34353779
I"m mostly saying that the unique magic of daywalkers are wasted on someone who can't use magic that well. Which just leaves them with immortality. Daywalkers are the best with people with high magical potential like powerful knights like Felix.

Nightwalkers on the other hand can be produced monthly if needed and work best for strong normal warriors with no real magic potential.

>>34353779
The question is whether, knights would be willing to get vamped. Plus, its not like we would refuse talented candidates. The objective is to get a unit similar in capability to a spell-blade, but easier to train and replace.

>>34353862
Ah, I see. Personally I'm wanting to increase the overall army.

But I see what you mean with cheating into spellblade tier. We really should get a training program to build our own elites actually.

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>>34353595
Zombie horde. Or at least, that's what Kushan focused on.

>>34353465
>I've honestly always viewed that as Talon doesn't give much of a crap what you are so much as what you can do for his empire.
That's pretty much how I've been playing it.

>>34353862
Just remember that the unique nature of their powers means it can be hard for them to adjust.

>>34354293
>Kushan

How arrogant would the average mage rate comparing yourself to Kushan? Also how much does Sylvian hate his guts?

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>>34354477
>How arrogant would the average mage rate comparing yourself to Kushan?
How arrogant would you rate the PotUS or a rich CEO comparing themselves to God in all seriousness?

>Also how much does Sylvian hate his guts?
She probably thinks Kushan is a terrifying monster - the worst that a mage could become. She was born in the midst of his reign, when the draconic kingdoms (there were several at that time, with helldragons and regular dragons being separate - they joined as one because their population had been heavily dented by Kushan) were waging war with Kushan and dying in droves. To do a pleb comparison, she thinks of him in the same way the average Harry Potter wizard thinks of Voldey.

>>34354697
Remind us to send his grave a gift basket.

>>34352815
>Aladria

Who?

>>34356534
Best girl.

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>>34356534
Vampire with an independent estate in Raupe. She was pretty feared by the other daywalkers and her manor house was supposedly pretty heavily warded.

>>34357454
Oh her.

Rough estimate on how many threads until the big what the fuck talon is reveal?

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>>34357524
The flashback thread will be thread 46 or 47. You'll likely get an idea of what you are then. I'm going to try to keep it to one thread.

>>34357590
>You'll likely get an idea of what you are then.

We're Blackwater right?

>>34357454
She might prove useful with explaining some vampire history I think. That is depending on how the conversation goes and how we get in.

>>34357590
Lets see how badly we screw ourselves over one in the flashback. Though the flashback in general strikes me oddly. If it's a flashback then why would it give hints that Talon doesn't already know? I get the feeling something is going to happen soon.

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>>34358131
You remember the weird visions of Mister Armored Figure from the revenant threads? You get to meet him.

And you can't really screw yourself over in the flashback. You can screw other people over, though. I'm basically going to be using the flashback to determine how that particular event actually went. The only sure thing is that Talon is still alive and well.

>>34358185
I had a feeling that was it. Though I do want to talk to that guy because he seemed pretty cool. Talon needs to summon up a nice couch in his vision and chill out with the guy.

>>34358185
Speaking of the Revenant threads I was rereading it with info we have now and I think I have a good idea now about how the power domain works.

Now just to figure out the basics of the life and ruin domain.

>>34358185
I get a horrifying feeling that Arisa is dead now. ;_; Foxy waifu come back!

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>>34358440
She's not dead yet.

>>34358277
I'd be interested to hear your theory.

>>34358234
Gnome would probably disagree with you there.

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>>34359134
And because that spoiler looks silly in retrospect, the flashback isn't going to be stupidly lethal or anything. It's just that nothing is set in stone about it. It uses different characters than normal so there's no time paradox shenanigans.

>>34359134
>I'd be interested to hear your theory.

The power domain seems to have a tie into Talons desire to build on top of what is already there. When he had his power dominated flip out he started talking about how useful the old stone fortress would be if he refurbished it. Each time he also seems more Arrogant as well.

I get the feeling Power is more making use of what you have and building on top of things and manipulating it. While Life is something more like building what you want where you want and creating new things.

He also seemed to be talking about how related to the world they are when he started ranting about the races. The pure Elementals are literally made by the world so he called them the purest manifestation. The dragons are native to the world but mostly dead so they're a pure race that needs to shine. The foxes though I have a feeling aren't native to the world they may have been designed by a divine race or the likes. So they are corrupter of the order but assimilated into the natural order. Meanwhile the Fae blessed guy is using powers he gained from a Fae. Which is why he was talking about him effecting his betters. It honestly kind of gives me a sense that it creates a kind of hierarchy in a way.

>She's not dead

Talon is going to save those tails!

>>34359172
>no time paradox shenanigans.
>No talon dying and wondering why the hell he is around then.

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>>34359367
Hmm, you've got a few things right but I feel that you're not reading it correctly. Given how few clues you've got that's no surprise. Have a look at your answers to Gnome when she asks you whether you'd prefer to build atop, build anew or destroy - I think you answered Life to those (which is build atop - perfect what is there).

>>34359661
I"m probably not reading everything correctly. I originally thought life was built for building on top of something but then I realized when you mentioned the freak out with the fae blessed was power dominated and had a lot of references to rebuilding. Which lead to the possibility it wasn't.

So I pretty much just brought the entire idea up Wholecloth. If building on top is life then that shifts the ideas around a bit more.

>>34359726
This does lead me to wonder how Raphael's life domain and the life domain Talon could have differs. Lots of things to theorize here.

>>34359661
A lot of this is influenced as well by not knowing which domain is which in the questions. So a lot of guessing is involved in this.

It also makes me curious on how astral domains mix. Once he finally settles down will it be the highest number of points win or a mixture? I wonder.

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>>34359726
Life = take what is unnatural and make it natural. Make the natural stronger. You are the builder.

Power = take what is unnatural and destroy it. Make the natural stronger, even if it means to reduce them to the sum of their parts first. You are the arbiter.

Ruin = Destory the unnatural. Ensure the natural stays natural. You are the enforcer.

Balance is less about destroying or taming the unnatural than ensuring it merges peacefully with the natural. It ties in strongly with the foxes for obvious reasons.

Raphael will eventually describe what these different paths may mean for Talon and your individual choices matter, too.

>>34359984
It'll be something of a mix. Probably a primary and a secondary, but powers might be drawn from all over. I'm still nutting out how I want it to work. What points you have where will influence what powers you can have.

>>34360053
Ah, Ha. I see now. This honestly gives me a feeling that Talon leans towards power personality wise. Though what eluded me I think was it dealt with the natural and unnatural.

I was mainly thinking in effects and not things like that. Interesting.

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>>34360053
>>34360114
And yeah, behind all the pseudo-psychological junk are different powers.

Life is about creation, so your powers will be about channelling your power into creating things. Summoning up a magical firestorm capable of disintegrating anything; create a spear that can pierce anything etc. The Three Lords draw on a domain similar to this with their own facets.

Power is about, well, power. You'll have the raw power to make yourself vast and mighty. Your power will extend to others so that they might create for you. Your focus is on destruction so that rebuilding might happen, which is done by others. This sort of branch would make Talon himself much stronger than the others.

Ruin is just pure destruction. You unmake things. Anything you create is set to crumble into nothingness, which gives it more raw power while it exists. Weapons that strike at souls, for instance.

I'm still working on the sort of powers that Balance will have.

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If balance is about making the unnatural merge I get the feeling it should be something changing. Like instead of creating or Unmaking or raw power. Something that alters what is already in front of you into something else.