>>34442576

Who are the NotWordBearers for the Traitor Side?

And some of the Primarchs need names.

Silver Spears: Maranthos Egille, Charismatic leader, likes flashy weapons
Bulwark: NONAME, Cautious and cynical but otherwise average
Black Augurs: Visios the Voidwatcher, Fast reflexes, quick to make decisions. Far-signted, divination psyker.
Life Bringers: Johannes, extremely skilled apothecary, prefers to purge problems and build anew
Mastodontii: NONAME, Optimistic, weak psyker
Council of Iron: NONAME, Short temper, physically strong, absolutely no fear.
Argent Legion: Malphas, Irreverant.
Iron Rangers: Rogerius Merrill, Obsessively seeks knowledge regarding tech
Wolves of Dawn: Hektor, Horus analogue, Friendly, great leader.
Sons of Fire: The Burned King , Ruthless, willing to make utilitarian sacrifices. Loves fire. A cold soul who only seems to take pleasure in purging worlds to the crust.
Children of Armok: Urist Starikov, Charismatic, political and espionage genius.
Everyone likes him, but kind of distrusts him because of his spymaster reputation. You can guarantee that if theres a secret , no matter how buried it is, Starikov knows it.
Is obsessed with getting into the Black Library. [So he’s not!Ahriman?]

War Scribes seem to be the perfect authors for the Codex Astartes. Might not be influential or numerous enough to push it on their own, but everybody will probably look up to them as the most knowledgeable and analytic, so if anyone is writing a huge doctrine on how space marines could work best, it's their primarch.

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>>34442576

The Sons of Fire, ready to burn the Galaxy to the ground. Eternal foes of the Life Bringers and Mechanist Warriors.

>>34442618
Children of Armok initiate the Heresy, Eternal Zealots are the faithful Chaos worshipers.

So yeah. i dont mind having psychers but id rather not be psychics that the thousand sons are.

>>34442670
They ARE who I originally envisaged as the Codex writers, the Scions just kind of seemed more likely replacements for the Ultras.

>>34442670
Yeah, I could do that. It does make a certain degree of sense, though the way I envisioned my Legion, they wouldn't be the go-to guys for tactical combat. If you want to build an empire, sure, but don't count on them to tell you how to slay a Helbrute properly, you know?

Maybe I dug up some lore that was useful to a different Primarch for making the Codex?

>>34442698

Eternal Zealots aren't in the lists sadly. Who made them, and what are their MO?

>>34442670
>>34442711
>>34442717
Excellent idea.

>>34442711
The Codex authors and not!Ultras don't have to be the same legion. One writes the codex, another just happened to be the most numerous and has the most descendents.

>>34442717
Could be a collaborative effort, written by several primarchs. War Scribes have the data gathered and collate it, somebody like Crusaders or Thunder Kings propose most of the tactics.

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>>34442735
we should include all the legions apart from the Lizard feet which got cut.
We were originally making a /tg/ heresy - lets not limit ourselves to 20 legion or we end up only having 20 people in the thread...

>>34442784
Yeah but if we end up with like 100+ legions it's gonna get stupid.

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>>34442735
http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/#q34426949
http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/#q34427205
http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/#q34427507

>>34442784
But I like Lizard Feet...

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>>34442698
I imagine I come running when news finally reaches my little corner of the galaxy, but end up doing relatively little until after the Battle of Terra.

Damn shame if that's how it turns out, but I did run into some trouble on the way.

>>34442805
make a seperate thing for active legions and inactive legions maybe? seperate the people that come into the thread make a legion half assed and dont do anything again with the people that stick around.

>>34442784
I'm still here, even though my legion got cut... Maybe we can replace someone who doesn't show...

>>34442784
We had 30ish, that was fine, we shouldnt cut any really - if the creators come back and their gone and we rewrote them out its more difficult to write back in - like the Eternal Zealots are meant to be the Word Bearers more directly - but they seem to have been cut - causing a plot hole in the Timeline.

We won't get 100 legions cos we seem to have pissed off most people ny not including them too - lets not alienate those we do have...

>>34442784
Sadly I'm not sticking around because it's after midnight and I have to be up at 6.

Happy hunting to everyone.

>>34442865
I think you got temporarily cut because you werent around? idk

>>34442865

We should replace a few, and cut a couple of the more jokey ones out. 12 Legions aside seems fine, if the casualties sees them cut down heavily over the course of the heresy.

>>34442865
See thats what I mean - everyone else voted to cut a legion when you were just away for sleep/work/life w.e. I'm going to be soon, I don't want to wake up and find myself cut from the whole thing...

besides the 30ish legions we did have were so /tg/. We had a more down to earth but still balls to the wall crazy 40k universe.. lets not lower our standard to GW levels...

>>34442784
I am in no way the leader of this project, so if people want to add or remove legions or their own, I've no problem with that. my apologies if I conveyed anything suggesting otherwise.

>>34442576

Since I saw no-one else touching them, here is some fluff for the Primarch of the Eternal Zealots.

Gilamenshe Maccabias, the God-King of Urak, the Herald of the Gods. His objective is to become the God-King once more, as he was on his Home World. In a primitive way, the ancient religions of his home world were reflections of the True Gods, the belief in which he never relinquished, even when he was claimed by the Emperor. His ultimate desire is to become a living divinity, the Chosen of the Gods among the mortal realm.

>>34442962
Na its cool I started the last thread, but had life get in the way so I couldnt give it my full attention, so I gave up organising everything cohesively.

But we should make this inclusive not exclusive.

I think the only reason we should cut them is if the creator hasn't said shit since he made the post about his legion.

>>34443016

I agree.

>>34443016
Yes that seems like a good idea. Besides, what's a few more legions? There are hundreds if not thousands of chapters in regular 40k and this makes more sense from a galaxy conquering standpoint.

We should create a list of the legions we have currently and try to get that to a even number. Then, after we've all decided on that list we should stick to it. This far into it when we're doing stuff about the timeline and what comes after we can't really have people adding legions to it or it'll get confusing.

>>34443016
I'm inclined to agree but I'm only back thanks to reprieve. I had an update for them done and was working on a second when I was cut.

>>34443016
Agreed. Cutting a legion out should only be done with really good reason. We have a lot of good legions, leaving them out would be a shame.

>>34443033
>>34443016
The problem with that is it seems only maybe half of the legions are still posting actively - so we'd not only lose half of the universe, but a lot of the roles that stopped us all being IronWarriors/ImperialFists siegey or AlphaLegion/Nightlords sneaky.

Leave them in, but if new people show interest swap them in instead.
That way its inclusive but we dont lose anything

>>34443056
>>34443016
Agreed to both.

What's going on with the Crusaders? I thought they were on Terra for the battle but so far nobody has really mentioned them.

>>34443059
But you aren't cut. Mechanist Warriors are still in the 1d4chan article and googledoc.

>>34443087
I had to put them in back in the former.

>>34443066
That sounds like the best idea I've heard so far.

>>34443087
They GOT cut because he didnt post in a few hours or so. Thats my point.
At this point we wont get any new blood - so keep what we have and run with it ourselves.

Cutting is pointless - this is /tg/ does the Horus Heresy - not some GW circlejerk with balancing and cumstained statlines.

Leave them in and use them - if their creators return great. If not, we have fodder for story/plot.

>>34443097

Do you have a better name for them? Mechanist Warriors sounds a bit bland.

>>34443085
They aren't defensive. I'd make them take the place as the AU Ultras, in the sense that most chapters stem from their gene stock.

I wonder how many people out there have multiple legions posted.

>>34443154
I did think that, but in my head I kept unconsciously shortening it to Mechwarriors anyway and getting nostalgic lol

>>34443154
>>34443197
Not really but it's not much more than placeholder right now. I'm open to ideas.

>>34443179
Yeah if you look back at my posts at the early sections of the last thread - they were the Imperial Fists/Ultramarines. I went with Scions as Ultras, but Scions wanted to be at Terra - so make the Crusaders the Ultramarines in terms of role and power/strength.

>>34442780
I'd be fine with that, seems to make sense.

In the last thread, someone mentioned the Silver Spears as a potential rival for the Thunder Kings. I reckon that to be a fine idea as well, and perhaps the Silver Spears could have been responsible for some grave defeat of the loyalist Thunder Kings--perhaps in defense of the traitorous ones?

I wonder if the Wolves of Dawn, much like the Black Legion, would take into itself members from other Space Marine legions following the Heresy? If so, I reckon that Selioax, the great traitor of the Thunder Kings, might perhaps have chosen to throw his lot in with Agamemnon rather than go it alone.

>>34442576
Holy shit, some one actually used the legion I made last night? Thats rather unexpected.

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The Entombed will slay the servants of Nurgle, wherever they are found.

Do the Zealouts have a color scheme yet? If not, I could make one.

>>34443301
woah woah woah. whered you make that?

>Primarch Name.
Kranios

>Describe your primarch's defining talent.
Kranios and his legion were seemingly Immune to the dangers of falling and sudden collisions. Falls or impacts that would kill even Astartes could be shrugged off. They are also resistant to blunt force weapons, making even Power Weapons that are not meant for cutting or piercing less effective against them.

>What is the name of your legion?
Battle Rams (Open to a name change)

>What are the legions main tactics/characteristics?
Battle Rams function best as both Shock and Anti Shock troops. They excel at both charging the enemy to break them as well as a sudden impact from an enemy force. They also excel at the use of drop pods, their extreme resilience meaning the pod barely has to slow down making the impact craters far more devastating at no harm to it's inhabitants.

>As a primarch, what is your opinion about the use of psychic power, particularly within your Legion?
Kranios had little understanding of Psykers. Those few who were interrupted by their strange powers and unable to focus on the task at hand on his mountainous home world tended to fall to a clumsy and painful death. The use of Librarians were never integrated into his legion as he could not find a place to use them in his straightforward battle plans.

>>34443330
I googled terminator painter and it was the first hit

>>34443289

WHat Legion is that?

>>34443319
I also have an idea for them. Their armor is the darkest onyx, covered in flowing script written in small, barely visible lines of crimson, lending them a dark red look from afar.

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Oh yeah since I won't be able to post it soon, the Mech Warriors colour scheme.

>>34443332
>who do you side with, Chaos or Emperor?
Let's say his legion was tricked into being turned to chaos.

>What's the major defect in your chapter's geneseed (if any) or traditions?
Battle Rams suffer from a simple mindset. Leaders lead. Individual low ranked members are usually horrible at making tactical decisions, it is not until they reach higher ranks that they are expected to understand how each action contributes to a grand battle plan. Regardless, even the highest ranked Longhorn struggles to understand the influence of their actions on a galactic scale.

>What is your signature weapon, vehicle, or other wargear, and why?
Battle Rams enjoy the use of blunt force weapons such as Thunder Hammers and Power fists as well any vehicles or weapons that allow them to crack open enemy fortifications.

>After the Heresy, what is your former Legion's major deviation from the Codex - or what unique gift does your dark god give your Legion, now?
Kranios was possessed by countless daemons of every Chaos God constantly commanding him to perform tasks for their patron deities within the warp. so much as being in his presence left those around him at an extreme risk of possession. The Battle Rams turned into a melancholy group, making camps in the Formless Wastes of the Warp until one for their leaders to become possessed and give them some purpose to follow.

>What is your legions motivation? What do they ultimately want?
Getting whatever task they have been assigned finished.

> Where was your legion during the siege on Terra?
On their home world of Bovis and it's neighboring worlds, unaware of what they were meant to be doing due to scrambled messages and unclear orders being received from both Traitors and Loyalists until they were finally deceived by a traitor legion to give themselves to Chaos.

>>34442576
War Scribes here. I noticed you guys were looking for a place to set up a Shadow Crusade type deal. Pretty much everything about my Legion encourages them to create their own sort of Ultramar, a place that they can build, lock down, and then methodically search for the Dark Age relics they love so much.

They're Grand Strategists, somewhat standoffish, and love empire building.

They're also somewhat prone to trusting people they shouldn't, if they act like they're friendly and trustworthy, so they'd be in prime position to be betrayed in some fashion.

>>34443347
I made the Eyes of the Emperor, the ranged and cowardly legion.

Still here

>>34443330

Bolter and Chainsword SM Painter.

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>>34443319
Holy shit.
People are using the Legion I created?

VERY WELL!
I SHALL CONTRIBUTE!

Here you are Anon, I posted this in the original thread where this was created

>>34443266
>Thunder Kings are rumored to be related to the thunder warriors, which would make them the oldest of Emperor's servants
>You'd think they'd be seen with more respect for that.
>Nah, all the glory goes to some flashy poster boys who aren't anywhere as tough.

The 1d4chan needs some serious work. It needs:

>An opening blurb, explaining what it is (a /tg/-made alternate horus heresy) and a basic timeline for the Hektor Heresy
>Formatting seperating the Traitor and Loyalist legions
>Updated blurbs for each legion
>Pictures of each legion's color scheme

>>34443373
I liked them a lot. Very different from the common chapter.

Are we going to list and number the primarchs and legions? So we know which legion is I with is II and so on.

>>34443409
>>34443407
I believe it also needs to stress the Xenos and Medicae focused side of my legion.

>>34443385

Your Legion are the Arch-Traitors.

What's the Primarch's Name though? Someone put it down as Gilamenshe Maccabias, the God-King of Urak, the Herald of the Gods. His objective is to become the God-King once more, as he was on his Home World. In a primitive way, the ancient religions of his home world were reflections of the True Gods, the belief in which he never relinquished, even when he was claimed by the Emperor. His ultimate desire is to become a living divinity, the Chosen of the Gods among the mortal realm. He is manipulated into turning Hektor by Starikov.

>>34443373
are you okay with how they stand at the moment? anything to add/modify?

>>34443224
machine warriors, machine guard, war machines, the automatons, + variations along those lines + add colours where desired?

>>34443385
welcome back my traitor brother.

>>34443447
When I posted, I went under this name, Aubrey the Grey.

My legion was based around Medicae and Xenos Auxiliary.
I hate to step over established canon.
However, If we are to fall, let it be on our terms.

Xenos betrayal probably contributed to the falling.

Anybody have suggestions on how to make The Entombed more interesting?

>>34443399
The angle I'm playing is that the "modern" Astartes view them as either obsolete or as a perversion or "imperfect" variant of what they themselves are, though there aren't practically all that many differences between other legions' geneseed and the Thunder Kings'.

>>34443450
Yes, Machine Guard I like. That is a good name.

>>34443498

From what we've talked about, the Zealots were turned by the Children of Armok, who in turn turned Hektor and started the Heresy. The Zealots are the NotWordBearers, the champions of the Gods.

Or at least, that was what we were discussing.

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>>34443016
I am waiting in the darkness of space for the universe's time of need

>>34443501
Give them a gene seen mutation where they can't breathe without a special gas or something. So they can only take off their helmets on their ships. They have to have special cannisters fitted to their armour with that gas in. Meaning they can't be deployed for a super long time.

>>34443498
Hi, it would make sense that the Children had regular dealings with Xenos for the spy network and use in plotting/scheming. So we could have corrupted the Zealots through the Xenos and we don't have to change a whole bunch of tg/canon that way?
If you are okay with that?

captcha: the cyfecti - sounds like agood name for a corrupted Xenos for you Aubrey the Grey, or the Eternal Zealots..

>>34443549
Well, I thought maybe they don't take off their armour at all. After the chemical attack on Istvaan V, they decided to remain permanently sealed in their Armour, safe from the vile poisons of the Life Bringers.

>>34443548
Holy shit - put the stone men in already - I missed them on my initial count up, I didn't mean to. Apart from a 20ft primarch I thought they were pretty good!

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>>34443595
Also

>They decorate their armour with the skulls of their fallen battlebrothers, which sometimes gains them scorn from the Inquisition. Entombed Centurions opt for grizzlier decorations: they decorate their Armour with the skulls of the enemy.

The front of an Ossuary-Pattery Dreadnought looks like pic related.

>>34443534
I could see that.

General time line.
Contact with the Interex happened - Possibly my chapter, or some other, either way the Chapter Studied the technology and started to design its own technologies.
Betrayal of the Tarellians - This may be the causing factor of their fall, rework it abit perhaps, but the miscommunication needs to stay.
Children of Armok cause their Heresy.
>>34443587
I believe that they may have instigated the coup, letting things fall into place that Aubrey would be away from his planet, giving the Tarellians the appropriate tools to be able to cause this massive cluster fuck of a miscommunication, causing another loyalist legion to be beset upon them, of course the children would know the Zealots were hardy enough to with-stand it.

This drove the Zealots into the arms of Chaos.
I wouldn't say nurgle, they are the opposite to him, either Khorne or Tzeentch, though I'd say leaning towards Tzeentch or simply un-divided.

>>34443548
Write yourself in, the Stone Men are cool.

>>34443332
>>34443365
Do that as well please.

>>34443595
Doesn't make much sense, they need to eat, after all. Could just be a cultural thing though, like the Life Bringers never go close to a battle zone without a sealed helmet on due to their combat style, the Entombed do the same because they know how to deal with Life Bringers.

>>34443679
>Doesn't make much sense, they need to eat, after all.

Not if you know their terrible secret: They're spooky scary skeletons.

>>34443706
Loyalist Rubric Marines? Sounds cool.

I did a bit of cleaning up on the id4chan page to make it look a bit better. I'll keep at it.

>>34443661

Ok, I am really fucking confused. Do we need a different NotWordbearers? Because these guys don't feel like fanatical worshippers of Chaos.

>>34443661
Oh and Aubrey and his legion are not immortal.
They can heal faster than other astartes, but not Immortal.

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Should probably write some more backstory, eh.

I wrote about the homeworld here: >>34433518 if you guys are compiling that information.

For most intents and purposes, many of the Marines remained among those same tribes which they grew up on while still on Alessia, not separated from their original tribes. This was likely to be part of the reason why so many rebelled with such ease, and the tribal custom was revoked following the Heresy in favor of a diversified recruitment and training scheme.

Also, new colors.

anyone remember what marine color scheme i posted with the council of iron lol? i have too many that ive been experimenting with that i dont remember what one i used

>>34443439
I believe we should consider doing that at some point fairly soon. It would be good to mark the official "OK guys, this is how many Legions we have" point. Beyond whatever that number happens to be, no more Primarchs would be added.

It'd also let the 1d4chan writers organize things better.


Are we having any Missing Primarchs in this AU, or are they all going to be known, just because there's a lot of them already?

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>>34443735
We don't have fanatical worshipers of Chaos, at least not undivided. Currently it's mostly Children of Armok tzeentchy dickery nudging most others against the Imperium.

>>34443758

>>34443731
I don't know much about wikis or the terminology, but you should have a contents header with a line break for loyalist and traitor legions, instead of just one for "legions," and then a bold header for each legion.

>>34443735
we don't NEED to make an expy of a GW legion - we have our own takes on how it goes down you know?
This makes the notWordBearers stand in - the Zealots, far more interesting than just lolweareevilbecausereligionisbad.jpg

>>34443758
look here http://archive.moe/tg/thread/34414189/
its the original thread.

>>34443788
have them all known cos primarchs going missing just seemed fucking weird tbh. Like GW ran out of ideas and thought fuck it lets just say they are lost.

>>34443788

All known.

Now, since the Zealots seem to be a Xenos-loving Legion and not a Chaos-Worshipping Legion, I've made a dedicated Chaos legion who can be manipulated by the Children to start the Heresy.

Sanctified Host: Hailing from the world of Urak, the Legion were always those who craved belief ion powers beyond human comprehension. Gilamenshe Maccabias, the God-King of Urak was the Herald of the Gods. His objective is to become the God-King once more, as he was on his Home World, where he was seen as the servant of the Gods, who came from the heavens to deliver the true word. In a primitive way, the ancient religions of his home world were reflections of the True Gods, the belief in which he never relinquished, even when he was claimed by the Emperor. His ultimate desire is to become a living divinity, the Chosen of the Gods among the mortal realm. He is manipulated into turning Hektor by Starikov.

>>34443848
Needs legion tactics, geneseed/culture and specialist equipment, if any. Please not be Word Bearer 2: Electric Boogaloo

>>34443838
>>34443848
Sounds good. Now that more Legions have been made and different people have been in and out, do we have a firm count of how many Legions we have, and how many went Chaos or stayed Imperial?

>>34443848
I don't see why it can't just be instigated by xeno-lovers, manipulated by the chaos-loving children to start the heresy.

Our heresy can be different.

>>34443922
>>34443848

I second this - we don't need a wordbearers expy I dont think. They were always the most boring legion anyway because they were reduced to nothing more than an expy of Christian religious zealotry and demagoguery.

We can be different - we're /tg/.

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Gotta go have dinner; this is all looking great, guys, and I'm really happy to be a part of this with you all!

>>34443991

Why be Christian? Why can't we have something like Muslim, or Hindu? I was thinking along the lines of the initial jihads of Muhammad's early followers, the ones what took the Muslims from Mecca to Tours.

>>34443735
>>34443848
>>34443838
>>34443805
>>34443991

That would come later I suppose, I originally had them strike out as independent.

Aubrey seeked knowledge, his research into the potential of "healing magicks" as an alternative to practical medicae.
The heresy happens...
Aubrey becomes very mad...
He had been mocked for his use of xenos, mocked for his "barbaric" and "superstitious" research into these magicks....

But he was right...he was fucking right.
After the betrayal, he threw himself into these studies...he was approached by the children, showing him the proof of these magicks, giving Aubrey the deal he could never refuse, in the name of medicine.

Tzeentch, fitting that the Children corrupted him and his legion, they would fly his flag of sorcery.

The Zealots were filled with rage, how dare [INSERT LEGION HERE] cause such death and destruction to their brothers, they would pay, ALL of the Imperium would pay for their bigotry and closed minded ways.

Aubrey wanted an Imperium, a better Imperium, where men and xenos could live in prosperity, this was his vision and no one could get in his way now he had a god on his side.

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>>34443679
we beat up everyone during the crusades indiscriminately.
this includes;
3 alien races (to extinction)
an ork warboss
an entire craftworld
and a warp incursion
once the heresy began, we became confused over who to fight. not like we considered becoming traitorous, we just literally couldn't tell who was with the right emperor (we're kind of dumb)
so we set our navigators for the farthest deep space object we could find, and went in search of new discoveries (and things to punch)
we're only a rumor now. reports come into the administratum of encounters with tyranids where what looks like giant armored marines come out of nowhere riding falling meteorites, bombarding the swarms.
then we disappear into the blackness of space
we're pretty much a loyalist alpha legion

>>34443243
Alright, that makes sense since the Crusaders and Ultras are fairly comparable. So if the Crusaders are not on Terra, where are they? I think them being bogged down in an a large scale land war with another Traitor Legion would be a good way to stop them.

>>34444084

Who starts the betrayal then? The Zealots corrupt the Warmaster Hektor and kick-start the entire Heresy.

>>34444022
I think we shouldn't do much with references to IRL religions. That's gonna be a touchy subject, full of trolls, fedoras, and fundamentalism. Best to steer clear.

>>34444022
not a bad idea, but it'd have to be authentic.
I do like the idea of Arabic or Rajput/Mughal marines though - bright gaudy colours etc.
Real midle eastern/indian features too, instead of salamanders white guys with black guy skin pigment cos fuck black people.

But the problem we have now is that we have a really unique link with the Zealots and the Children via Xenos.
The Sanctified Host (would need a new name)
is just a copy of the GW legion...

we could make the religious nuts NOT be the first to fall/play the word bearers, and just be a cool legion?

They can;t be malal obviously, but i can't stop thinking ''Malal Hu Akbar!''

>>34444146

True. How about extinct Religions then?

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I just realized my legion name kind of..contradicts itself..so i might rename it..

>>34444187
Nigga you best not be stealing my terminatory spotlight.

>>34444095
OR a Legion of the Damned!
Badasses who swoop in and save those in need of saving. Silently guarding the galaxy as best they can.

>>34444177
Could be.

>>34444165
I kinda like the idea of the religious Legion (if any) staying loyalist, even if it does bring to mind the Dornian Heresy a bit much. They did the whole "Lorgar stays loyal, so the Imperial Creed is much stronger and more useful to the Imperium" bit.

Or, they could become a Lost Legion, having crusaded all the way out of the galaxy, lost to the Imperium in shrouds of mythology and half remembered records.

>>34444095
Or rather, Legion of the Damned. So you're fighting some xenos or traitors and it goes bad, then suddenly, super-tough stone marines show up and wreck everything.

>>34444216
but mostly punching stuff outside of the galaxy that the imperium doesn't know about it

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>>34444187
Nah, it makes about as much sense as anything GW's put out.

Also,

>Not Dragos Mokou, Primarch of the Immortal Pheonixes

A missed opportunity.

>>34444084

You know, there are Xenos who worship Chaos, like the Laer. How would the Zealots take a Chaos-Worshipping Xenos race? Would that help set them down the path to damnation and corrupting the Warmaster?

>>34444216
Legion of the Damned is too cool to have our OC grab ahold of them. Let them be their own thing, I'd say, it's good as it is.

Having the Stone Men be the first Imperials to encounter the Tyranids is a cool idea though. No Kryptmann here, it's been known since 30k that the Nids are coming.

Plenty of time for people to panic, surrender, go insane, forget about it, and betray those who will be hit first, in a grimdark orgy of "You could have stopped it!" Delicious, delicious bureaucratic gridlock.

Those legion names are utterly terrible.

> Silver Cataphrats
> Lizard Feet
> Omegon Annihilators (OMG OMEGA AND ANNIHILATION ^ ^)

Like really?!!

So have the Lizard legion been cut out now or not? Because if the Lizard's stay then the Loyalists have two more legions than the traitors.

I'm uploading the various pictures to the 1d4chan page

>>34444084
His legion believed now, fully, that they would be the ones to lead a NEW IMPERIUM.
A perfect Imperium and they believed the loyalists were beneath them and should therefore, die.

>>34444132
Zealots were corrupted by the Children of Armok, after their Xeno friends betrayed them, likely instigated BY the Children of Armok.
Now we have a legion who are now the Arch Traitors, therefore, it was likely them or the Zealots who corrupted them.

Likely during a deployment, using un-holy magicks to heal the warmaster and his legion.

>>34444269
Yes, YES, THIS!
Shall we find one or create a Xenos race?

>>34444285
Side note, I may change my chapter's color scheme. Black and Bronze is very similar to the Sons of Fire, maybe too similar.

>>34444297

Lizards have been cut.

>>34444297
The lizard guys are pretty cool, cutting them would be a shame. Just leave it as is. Considering that we have quite a few legions that didn't pick sides at first and were only eventually pressed into fighting, it's not as unbalanced as it seems.

>>34444114
Well the Iron Rangers are the literal Alpha Legion of our setting, so maybe them? They are on their way to Mars and Terra, when you bump into them, and the guerilla war thing begins

>>34444132
>Who starts the betrayal then?
The Children of Armok orchestrate it all. But they don't openly do anything.
All covert, and ruthlessly leave no survivors to tell any tales.

We could get this new Arabic/Rajput/Mughal Marines to start the actual betrayal?

In the confusion we trick a loyalist legion into attacking the Zealots turning them traitor openly too.

>>34444269
Thats exactly as the Children plan it. Introducing a helpful xenos quietly to the Zealots, who quietly give us thanks for being understanding and helpful, not realising we had sealed their fate.

>>34444297
I believe the Lizards did get cut, but I'm against cutting anything really.

Who are the Not!World Eaters in this?

And please don't tell me it's the Sons of Fire.
A flame-focus Khorne legion...? If you are going to dedicate a Khorne legion to fire you should at least put another one that can get the whole "AXES, GUTS, BLOOD!!" thingy in.

>>34444329

The Laer are the first, but how about another, undivided worshipping race with a higher level of tech, who can induct the Zealots into the mysteries of Chaos.
An Anon sugested an awesome name last thread or so. Use that name.

>>34444404

It is the Sons of Fire. Instead of simply drowning planets in blood, they drown them in fire. And we have plenty of close-combat oriented legions on both sides.

>>34444404
There aren't any. We don't need a copy of every canon legion.

>>34444370
>>34444390
Any Legion that's inactive can be slated for bearing the brunt of the Dropsite Massacre or its analog. That way they can still be included, but they don't have to play a major role in the history overall.

If they remain inactive in perpetuity, we could consider changing their names eventually.

>>34444406
the cyfecti?

if that haha
technically captcha contribute that

>>34444370
>>34444392
Only from the googledoc, not 1d4chan. Just leave them, I see no need to start cutting things and arguing about which should or shouldn't get axed.

>>34444287
Mines freaking Battle Rams.
Be useful and instead of saying names suck think up some good ones. At least for me.

Try to incorporate Rams or Horns in some way though.

So any suggestions for the Machine Guard before I leave for the night.?

>>34444486
Reckon our primarchs could be at odds, what with the extremely differing tactics. Brennus ain't too cool with recklessness, and all that. Perhaps some disagreements over the conduct of a particular frontline or whatever lead to the Warmaster forcing them apart and assigning them elsewhere?

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>>34444436
It's not about getting a copy of each legion, it's that you still need to respect what each Chaos God is about. Khorne prefer hand-to-hand, swords and axes, combat and the Sons of Fire are nothing like that.

>>34444249
I literally got my name through a warhammer generator lol.

>>34444464

The Cyfecti were a race close to the Eye of Terror, who worshipped the Great Eye and the mighty beings that dwelt within.
When contacted by the Zealots, they invited them down and Aubrey was witness to a summoning of a Daemon, which spoke to him. Thus was his eyes opened.

>>34444470
>Battle Rams

Yeaaahh........

You put some thoughts into that one huh.

Whatever putting a name in this, like "Rams of X", the name would it sound less boring and unimaginative.

>>34444519
It's excellent to see you've gotten your marines painted up for us.

I updated some stuff about my Legion in the google doc. Could someone add it to the 1d4chan page?

>>34444516
"Dad, Brennus is being a fag and not letting my legion work" Also yes.

>>34444567

The Pre-Primarch Salamanders were known as the 'Saturnine Rams' in canon.

>>34444524
They are - they just use flamers legionwide instead of standard bolters/boltpistols.

Kharn the betrayers fluff had him go into a fit of rage and start burning shit down, his own team iirc,
And Khorne is about close combat, but they don't have to be mad berzerkers, he likes discipline and martial prowess too.
The Sons of Fire bring all that. And burn the rest away. Leaving only Skulls.

>>34444519
You know, since my legion was a traitor that turned loyalist halfway through the war, how would the other Legions look upon the Emperors eyes?

Also, since Leman russ no longer exists, I guess my primarch is still alive?

>>34444406
Yes, could have been Children of Armoks little secret...Aubrey would have been introduced to them, the Laer greeted Aubrey with great fashion, appealing to his now dwindling ego.
They inducted him with a ritual, further cementing him into the side of Chaos.

>>34444636

Your primarch can still die. I bet many of the Primarchs in this 'verse were killed during the Heresy and afterwards.

>>34444567
>You put some thoughts into that one huh.
I did not. The name was why I made my Primarch a simpleton. Stupid name, stupid Primarch.

>>34442784
The alternative to "everyone gets a legion" is to allow folks to claim minor characters in the already developed legions. I mean, you're still planning a Second Founding, right?

>>34444590
Horns of X then

I don't see anything about that legion in the 1d4chan, but I'd say the legion sound brutish so something really harsh and hard sounding

> Kross
> Dozz
> Bardun

>>34444664

The Laer couldn't communicate with men, and didn't try to. However the Cyfecti can speak and do try to communicate, as the Gods have told them that they can help in spreading the True Word to the Humans.

This is the current list as far as I can gather.

Loyal I: Knights of Justice
Loyal II: War Scribes
Traitor III: Silver Spears
Traitor IV: Sons of Fire
Loyal V: Void Privateers
Loyal VI: The Entombed
Loyal VII: Scions of Europa
Traitor VIII: Children of Armok
Loyal IX: Machine Guard
Loyal X: The Crusaders
Traitor XI: Wolves of Dawn
Traitor XII: Life Bringers
Loyal XIII: Lizard Fleet
Traitor XIV: Black Augurs
Traitor XIV: Argent Legion
Traitor XVI: Eternal Zealots
Traitor XVII: Bulwark
Loyal XVIII: Omegon Annihilators
Loyal XIX: Eyes of the Emperor
Traitor XX: Iron Rangers
Traitor XXI: Council of Iron
Loyal XXII: Thunder Kings
Loyal XXIII: Silver Cataphracts
Traitor XXIV: Mastodontii
Loyal XXV: Falcus Cobalt
Loyal XXVI: Steel Marshalls

>>34444680
I agree.

>>34444668
Good point. Eventually, we need to consider if we want to have any living Primarchs, Chaos or Loyalist. They'd have a massive impact on the setting's history after the Heresy, of course.

Having many living Primarchs could significantly reduce the stagnation of the setting, if not the grimdarkness.

>>34444636
Oh by the way, my Primarch is Octullus Tyran

>>34444668
I suppose that is true, but I figure it will have to be different then the original one. Perhaps he could die during his betrayal of the traitors, and is personally hung up by Hektor?

>>34444731

So this 'Verse's Ferrus? The first Primarch to die? Gutsy.

>>34444547
the eye of terror opened after the heresy didnt it?

And that would be a bit too open and obviously bad.

The chaos gods corrupted humanity slowly and subtly at first.

Thats why they chose the Children of Armok to start the gods great plan.

I see it more that the Children quietly introduced the Cyfecti to the Zealots, who secretly used Xenos. The Zealots felt like the Children were being understanding and helpful, but they were really subtly introducing the Zealots to the whims of Chaos.
Then when the Tarellian shit goes down, again orchestrated by the Children, the Zealots know who to turn to = the Dark Gods.

>>34444680
as a poster pointed out in the other thread - people want their own stuff - i dont mind people claiming whatever if they stay true to the legions fluff/vibe, but people want to make their own.
Not pick other peoples.

>>34444596
The age-old debate about Khorne being an honorable, disciplined knight warrior or whatever. Somehow he can be all that and still violently desire to drown in blood till the end of times.

I'm sorry but the World Eaters do a better job being a Khorne legion, and I would think this thing would be about doing better than what we currently have from GW.

>>34444748
>the eye of terror opened after the heresy didnt it?
No it was open before that.

>>34444713

So the Sons of Fire are the IVth Legion? I can get behind that.
And Inferox is the seventeenth Primarch found, later on in the Crusade.

>>34444748
It was open waaaay before

>>34444748
No, the Eye opened at the death of the Eldar Empire, well before the current timeline. Its opening was what calmed the warp storms enough that the Great Crusade could begin, IIRC, so it would have opened very recently, as far as our Primarchs are concerned.

>>34444748

It was open before the Heresy. It was opened by the Birth of Slaanesh.

>>34444713
the Children are only technically a traitor legion.
Post Heresy, both sides think they are working with them. in other words, the traitors believe them to be traitors, while the Loyalist think they are still loyal, although some are starting to get suspicious.

So the Children are more somewhere in the neutral zone I guess - but they work both sides against eachother.

>>34444769
> people who don't know about 40k lore in charge of refluffing it.

>>34444748
To be honest, I'd be pretty happy developing the minor twists on a larger story. Plus, signing on to be a Captain in a Legion probably means getting your own Chapter, so "own stuff" is satisfied.

>>34444761

Chaos is contradiction. Always has been. And blood doesn't just flow from axe wounds. There are countless ways in which it can flow, and that includes being turned to vapour from the searing kiss of fire.

Please edit your legion's 1d4chan entry to have as much information as possible.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy

>>34444817
It's a big set of lore to learn. That's why you should have multiple people on a project like this, to draw from the collective knowledge.

Also, god forbid someone, you know... just go look it up, when it becomes relevant, and not get bent out of shape about it.

Try harder, bro.

>>34444817
It was wan't it? It's one of the reasons Pertuabo had a a huge persecution complex. His world was close to it and he constantly felt it looking at him. Or was that Kurze? I don't remember. It made one of the primarchs crazy is all.

>>34444867
You can try to turn that one any way you want.

Stills seems odd.

>>34444747
I suppose that could fit, but I guess that would mean no one would die on Istvaan V then, as my Primarch would die during the siege of Terra as his paranoia gets the best of him and his mounting fear of what would become of him and his legion if they won.

>>34444761
how do you out do guys who do nothing but rage and behead things with axes?

You can't top that because that is the logical end on that ideological definition.
The sons of fire can be the exact same thing, but with flamers too. Minus the endless rage.
They still scream and get mad in battle, but they arent mindless idiots who charge at everything because bloodforthebloodgod.

And the WE would use flamers to - how do you think you get flesh off of the bone underneath? you burn it off.
The Sons of Fire just take it further and burn worlds down to the crust too.
I think overkill in any way is pretty Khornate...

>>34444769
>>34444776
>>34444778
>>34444810

my bad - thanks for the correction. Yeah i forgot about all that bit...

Someone updated the wiki page with images of the marines. You actually got mine wrong whoever did it. I updated the scheme during the first thread later on. It's attached here in the last thread

>>34436784

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>>34444547
>>34444697
Both interesting.

The Daemon needs to stay.
Perhaps they can only communicate through telepathy, due to their closeness to the eye, all are psykers of some kind.

I have some images of either Captains or Aubrey himself in armour.
I use Chapter Generator for abit more customisation.

>>34444956

We need at least one Primarch Deaths on Isstvan V. Your Guy is the self-sacrifice, he deliberately sacrificed himself to let his sons get away.

>>34444968
Generally, "overkill/excess" is more Slanneshi than anything else, but Chaos isn't something you can easily delineate, by definition.

>>34445027
What program made that?

>>34444823
thats a fair point well made - if you wanna join up with someone then go for it - I think only the notSonsofHorus have a second in command as a notAbaddon (Agamemnon)

>>34444968
You really can't top endlessly raging berzekers as a Khorne legion?

Lemme see, after 5 seconds of reflexion -> Cannibals.

You have melee in it (they have to get up close to eat you), you have extreme violence, they eat you, domination/predation (they hunt you), they don't rage endlessly because they actually want to get you and thus have to think a little.

Now give a minute and I can give you a name.

So far this is my list of primarchs.

Silver Spears: Maranthos Egille
Bulwark: NONAME
Black Augurs: Visios the Voidwatcher
Life Bringers: Johannes
Mastodontii: NONAME
Council of Iron: NONAME
Argent Legion: Malphas
Iron Rangers: Rogerius Merrill
Wolves of Dawn: Hektor
Sons of Fire: The Burned King
Battle Rams: Kranos


Knights of Justice: Bohemond
Steel Marshalls: Roman Albrecht
Machine Guard: Fjordous Machenis
Silver Cataphracts: NONAME
Omegon Annihilators: NONAME
The Crusaders: Thomas Gaudin
Void Privateers: NONAME
War Scribes: NONAME
Thunder Kings: Brennus
Eyes of the Emperor: NONAME
Scions of Europa: Kleisthenes
Lizard Feet: NONAME
The Entombed: Golgothos
Children of Armok: Urist Starikov

Obviously there's some missing. If your's isn't on their tell me and I'll change it.

>>34444984
update it yourself ye lazy cunt

>>34445142
There's a LOT of stuff that's been added to the Google doc, at least. Might wanna check there. At the very least, my Primarch has a name now.

Right /tg/ I'm want to write more about the Crusaders, but I don't know what direction to take them. Warrior Monks? Stoic Soldiers? Peacekeepers? Any help will be gratefully accepted.

>>34445142

We need more names and more details.

We know roughly what several legions do, but others have nothing on them. What do the Mastodontii do during the Heresy? How about the Silver Spears?

>>34445188
Thanks. I'm making a chart.

>>34445044
Golgothos was wounded badly enough on Istvaan V to be placed in a Dreadnought

>>34445190
The 40k world could use some peacekeepers.

Ala, "try to not kill them" pacification.

Now how to have that fit in 40k... That should get your brain running.

>>34445217

Yeah, but at least one other Primarch should be the Ferrus and die completely.

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>>34445044
We also need one Legion for the Eternal Zealots Betrayal.

Simply put, during a miscommuncation during the coup of the Tarellians, a Legion came to eradicate the Tarellians, however, the Zealots on the planet believed their primarch was wounded by the legion incoming due to communications from their Tarellian allies.
The fight broke out and then the Tarellians began to stealthfully eliminate Captains and important members of staff, as well as ambushing others.

Aubrey came to the planet, Urist in tow and He was furious with the Legions Primarch.

I shall dump another possible Captain/Aubrey

>>34445238
Well the War Scribes primarch needs to live long enough afterward to write/compile/whatever the Codex Astartes

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>>34445054
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282304-chapter-generator/
Link for you, dumping another image.

the stone men are forever immortalized in dataslates.
now I am off to drawfag

>>34445115
that is fair. I like it. But why can't we just add cannibalism to the Sons of Fire?
That one act is all the differentiates WE from your superWE.
I mean the SonsofFire anon would have to agree - but why not? He is Khornes chosen...

>>34445079
>>34444823
out of all of the legions, the Children have the most need to control and have incredibly close ties with our chapters - while we are technically traitors, we are still actively posing as loyalists so would have to adhere to the Codex,

However, we could always have a chapter kept completely in the dark as to the parent legions real secrets, and use them as a way to make our legion/successors look like we are loyal when we aren't. Same with the Traitor legions - we make a chapter that 'turns to chaos' then we use as a tool for keeping the Trators on our side.
Shit we in a pinch could make it look like we are dealing with the Chaos Legions, when all we really do is glass a world so no pesky witnesses, and then fake a battle with the traitor chapters so we look truly active to suspicous watchers.

That fits with the Espionage/ColdWar spymaster theme, and lets us play politics in the middle.


I'll update and clean the wiki entry tomorrow, I don't know how people want to organise the legions info, but it is a bit of a mess at the moment.
I dont mind cleaning it, but first - sleep.

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>>34445257

Who else was on the planet? We have more then three Legions decimated at the Dropsite, I know that.

Also a map of the Isstvan Dropside from Massacre to use.

>>34445257
I also wondered if my Primarch, beyond seeking out other Primarchs to compile their wisdom into the Codex, wouldn't have been the one to set up the High Lords of Terra/Administratum, and try to reorganize the Imperium after the Emperor's interment on the Throne, since Grand Strategy is the only thing he's really good at aside from hunting relics.

After that massive ordeal, he would pretty much engage in a shadow war with the Mechanicus, attempting to force them to give over the tech that he believed could have saved the Imperium (whether it exists or not).

Eventually, he could either be killed by the Mechanicus, or simply devote so much of his time to countering their tendency to hoard shit and not talk to anyone else, that the rest of the Imperium doesn't even know he's around anymore.

Or, some 3rd option, if anyone has a good idea.

>>34445269
Fucking sweet, thanks.

>>34445190
>joint operations and unconventional tactics, unmatched flexibility
Doesn't sound like it fits strict warrior monks, though I can see peacekeepers acting like that.

Either way, Crusaders are the smart tactical guys who outmaneuvered Life Bringer forces and detonated their labs on Rai at the start of the Heresy with an infiltration team, resulting in the whole planet biosphere being completely fucked up beyond any repair and the planet getting exterminatus'd so it doesn't spread further. 10000 years after the Heresy and Johannes is still butthurt about that.

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>>34445356

>>34445356
The Entombed, the War Scribes, and the Scions are the only ones firmly there.

Right so these are the legions we need primarchs for.

Void Privateers
Lizard Fleet
Bulwark
Omegon Annihilators
Eyes of the Emperor
Council of Iron
Silver Cataphracts
Mastodontii

OK, a suggestion for developing/splitting the War Scribes:

At the moment, they're at Istvaan V in a "yep, we were here, too" way. Now, being the sensible, cautious types they are, I suspect that the War Scribes had "tactical differences" with Golgothos and there was probably some acrimony after the battle.

But honestly, "our legion hates your legion" is a bit dull and The Entombed aren't really capable of pursuing a grudge anyway. So, let's have the War Scribes detach a moderately important figure (call him "Captain Galilei") as liason officer to The Entombed. Galilei is Right There as The Entombed get cut to pieces and gets badly wounded in the fighting, putting him out of action for the rest of the Heresy.

While recovering, Galilei throws the War Scribe equivalent of a tantrum. He lays out a logical argument indicating that, while his Primarch's strategy was the correct one, the War Scribes neither demanded that the other legions take their lead nor took an appropriate supporting role. Galilei's conclusion is very mildly worded and merely suggests that the legion should "learn from this experience" - fighting words in War Scribe speak.

>>34445365 - this might give you more of a cue for writing Arelex Orannis out of the story.

>>34445142
The nam efor the Eyes of the Emperor is Octullus Tyran

>>34445115
Prototype name

The Gorges.

Trying to find some derivations but that's the core of what the name would be.

Theme: Endless hunt. Seek the strong to devour them in the most direct manner and then absorb their strength. Have a genetic deviation in that their mouth can extend enough to devour a regular human.

They could be a mistake of the Emperor, their ability to absorb the strength of what they consume seen as an asset to him, but then Khorne influence the Legion by making them crave more for the feeding process. The rest is to be determined.

>>34445365
Yes, I think Primarch Orannis would definitely be the one to step up and establish the Administratum.

Also, while a shadow war with the Mechanicus is a good idea, I don't think the AdMech would go so far as to kill him. May I suggest that Primarch Orannis went missing while searching for Archeotech in deep space?

>>34445370
Alright then and in retaliation the Life Bringers bio bomb a recruitment world of the Crusaders? Turning it into a Death World that both Legions battle still battle over.

Oh and the Falcus Cobalt, I need their primarch aswell.

>>34445445
Oh hey, they could have a Not!Maoi theme, with huge obsidian power saws

>>34445321
I thought the Sons of Fire were about disciplined Cleansing Through Fire? Hard to have them then eat the... ashes... yeah no it doesnt work.

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>>34445142
Oh yeah, throwing the updated picture here because I can't into 1d4chan image uploads.

>>34445356

The War Scribes have always been trusting sorts, even when it's wrong for them to do so. If the other Legions being sent to fight on Isstvan were their friends, they would certainly have walked right into the trap and been blasted to shit.

All that would be left would be the hundreds of relic hunter squads across the galaxy, plus a handful of Isstvan survivors. Rebuilding the Legion would take many decades, just to contact the stragglers.

When re-assembled, they'd be not much larger than the Black Templars, probably, and would either split into Successors, or maybe even split into a single Chapter + a lot of ten man squads, carrying on business as usual.

>>34445399
Yes, that's what I was proposing, giving options to be written out, if it was determined that I should be.

>>34445454
Could be, I was just trying to think of something more than the usual "And he was never heard from again, but he could totally be coming back, guys!" I just liked the idea of a Primarch really giving the Admech a lot of shit for their methodologies. It'd cause a lot of tension with the Admech not wanting to appear weak in public, but also needing to keep a lid on this Primarch in private.

Right, there's the table so we can keep track.

>>34445365
Well the mechanicus thing is good, and speaks of the corruption and stagnation the Imperium faces after the Heresy.
Could even fluff it that the Mechanicum is after you to get the relics you've been hoarding = you both love to hoard tech/relics, but for different agendas.

The Children would have a vested interest in helping/hindering you too - your legion is a literal boon of information, so Uriel would undoubtedly do his very best to be your best friend, in order to share in your discoveries of all kinds, tech and seemingly useless data.

but the Shadow War thing makes sense - you vs the Mechanicus with the Children keeping both sides balanced for our own aims.
Possibly involved with the mechanicus backed plot to kill your primarch because you were too powerful a force?

>>34445454
they wouldnt go that far on their own accord. But with subtle nudging and suggestion they might...
The going missing in deep space might be how they get rid of him without being so obvious...

There's not enough colour schemes for the traitor Legions.

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>>34445142
An updated design for the Crusaders that I'd like to see on the 1d4chan since I can't into image embedding either.

>>34445490
it does if they eat seared flesh of off charred bones...
Look you argue a good point about their link with Khorne, but this *is* an AU. we don't need to make each official legions expy. We have just used them where we have as frameworks for a measuring stick of power and position vis-a-vis loyalty and legion strength etc.

>>34445495
Well, if the War Scribes are conservative, by-the-book guys, they were probably going through procedures as The Entombed got slaughtered. It could be a bit of a feel-good moment for Orannis, as his ability to rapidly analyse data and determine the right course really comes into its own.

But I still think this kind of pivotal, traumatic moment is a good time to start dissent within the legion. Perhaps Galilei's critique provokes Orannis' loyalists, but not the primarch himself? That way you could have Orannis go off into space, sickened by the faction-fighting.

>>34445454
I should explain further, come to think of it.

The shadow war would come out of a difference of opinion about sharing technology, but it doesn't become a true *conflict* until after the Heresy, when Arelex is despondent in his own way about his Legion's losses, and about the state the Emperor's in.

Rightly or wrongly, Arelex would believe that technology could have saved the Imperium, and blame the Admech's hoarding for the Imperium's defeat.

And then, he would go to war in his own way.

Depending on how things went, the High Lords might even have him killed, if they feared that he would cause the Mechanicus to abandon the Imperium and leave everyone else high and dry. Arelex would believe that he could take their place, but others would see that as hubris.

Or, he might continue fighting into the "present day".

Or, the Mechanicus might have found a way to kill him behind the scenes.

Whatever you guys think is more interesting.

>>34445474
Who is that Maoi you speak of?

I would say they would eschew the use of weapons, as it could destroy what is to be their food to come. I could see them using oversized nails as weapons, but they could use a signature melee weapon...

Gonna see if I can come up with a Primarch.

How come there is no kriegish legion yet?

>>34445142
My legion is the Nova Defenders. I'm about to get to a computer, and dump some fluff.

>>34445580
> seared flesh

So yes, ashes... this 40k I doubt you are going to get your meat well-done with those flamers.

I would be more than fine with them if they were not the Khorne aligned legion.

They do NOT fit as a Khorne legion.

>>34442576
GENTLEMEN!
Shall we discuss Primarch relations.

However, once again, I need a legion to assist in the Betrayal.

That being said.
Aubreys Personality.
He grew up around xenos whose caste system had Medicine at the bottom and Warriors on top.
He made his way up the caste system and became a general.

He is a kind but very proud man.
He prefers the scalpel over the sword and he sees himself as an intellectual and takes pride in that, as it is how he made his way up the caste system.
He hates narrow minded people.
He cares for the general people, the non-astartes, as well as the standard troops of the astartes, as much as his primarch brothers.

>>34445492
>>34445573
Done these two.

Anyone want something on the id4chan page edited or an image of their Legionaries done? I'm feeling generous.

>>34445688
Many thanks.

>>34445653

They fit as a Khorne Legion. Khorne isn't just about shedding blood with a chainaxe. Don;t have so narrow a definition of what makes a Legion Khornate.

>>34445653
That is true, but who says they burn them before they eat them?
They might not embody everything the WE do about Khorne, but they are Khornate.

As I pointed out dude, they can engage in close combat too, and just not use bolters.
They could just be the goddamn WE with flamers instead of bolters for christ sake.
Still using axes etc.
Besides flamers have a short reach - it makes sense if you obsess over flamers you have close combat weapons too.

but w.e you have your opinion and thats great.
Have a good night.

Hmmm..i need a home planet for my legion..

Currently the Traitors have 12 legions and the Loyalists have 15. Maybe we should balance it out?

>>34445529
Well, if we go that route, probably the way Arelex dies/disappears/leaves is that he sets up this grand clockwork machine of the Imperium, but he's not the Emperor, and he goes nuts trying to keep it all from breaking. And it breaks quickly. And try as he might, he can't really come to grips with why people can't just do what they're supposed to, for the good of the Imperium, because at a fundamental level, he doesn't really understand *ambition*.

He can't of course, because grimdark, so he picks the Mechanicus as his target, his reason for why things are going to shit, and escalates things with them to the point where ___________ happens.

Some of the Primarchs support him for what he can offer. Some support him for what he's done. Some don't give a shit, some are dead, and some oppose his attempts to maintain centralized control, when it's clear that no one but the Emperor could.

How long it all lasts, I couldn't say.

In keeping with the grimdark, I'd figure that his death is nigh-inevitable, but he did at least give the Imperium a political structure to work with, and if he hadn't fought so strenuously against the Admech, they would have taken the power away from the Imperium, and the center of the Imperium would have been Mars, not Terra.

To the Mechanicus, Arelex is the man who kept them from their ascendancy and dominance.

To the Imperium, Arelex is the one who kept knowledge in the hands of the people.

Seem logical?

Didn't read this thread all the way yet, so I don't know if you guys got this, but the Bulwark's Primarch's name was Sebastian, since he posted under the name "Sebastian the Bulwark"

>>34445269
>http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282304-chapter-generator/
Too bad that shit is in russian >_>

>>34445593
I think a mysterious disappearance of him, one way or another, is most fitting for him. Having him directly being around in M.41 ... eh, I don't know about that. And as for outright death? Too ignominious for such a learned man of knowledge.

Which makes me think ... should any of the Primarchs still be around by M.41? It'd be cool if they were, but if the Primarchs were around helping people, things may not be grimdark enough for the setting of 40K.

....or, perhaps, they could be around, but fighting wars or something.

Ugh, writing fluff is hard.

>>34445768

See,

You ahve to that length to justify them being a Khorne legion

> they use flamers BUT they still use axes
> they char things to ashes BUT they can still eat them before....
> they are disciplined BUT can still be favored legion of the most undisciplined Chaos God

It feels bloated to me, bloated. You are going to put all those things to make them fit in, but in the end it will just make them feel unfocused or with a weak theme.

They would fare better as a undivided legion, there they could focus on fire and never have to worry about if they represent such or such god well.

>>34445462
No, they didn't have enough manpower and were busy on Istvaan and Terra during the Heresy. Likely to try something like that during a Black Crusade though.

>>34445839
I know...
It is usable with the translation google doc however.

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>>34445399
>The Entombed aren't really capable of pursuing a grudge

>>34445900
Yeah but i cant seem to change the signs on the right shoulder though..

>>34445904
Sorry, I mean _another_ grudge. You seemed to have a pretty full dance card.

>>34445924
Go to the shoulders option and click the x next to it.

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>>34445794
I like this!

>>34445794
yeah that works - his legacy is the fact the Imperium still stands after being decimated during the Heresy.
The Mechanicus were manipulated into going after Arelex, and vice versa maybe?
It'd make sense as the Children have a vested interest in both parties stores of knowledge.

He leaves behind infrastructure and a working poltical system the Children used their friendship with the Scribes to abuse and set up sleeper agents etc.

so on Arelex's eventual ''death'', the Mechanicus, via the Children, engineer a situation where Arelex is lost in space/the warp to get rid of him without being 'messy'.

>>34445853
it would be too ignominious for him to just get assassinated - and it would raise too many questions. So being lost makes sense.

>>34445878

You seem to have a very, very narrow definition of what it means to be Khornante. To you, being a servant of Khorne is being a World Eater, an uncontrolled berzerker who cares only for spilling blood with a Chainaxe. That may be true now, but I take my inspiration from old edition material on Khorne, before he was Bowderized by GW.

>>34445941
I think, if you're going with what you posted, which you should, The Entombed would declare the War Scribes to be incommunicado: The Entombed will not even acknowledge the War Scribes existence. If the Entombed were deployed on the same battlefield as the War Scribes, they would plan their strategies as if the War Scribes were literally not there. They'd place artillery blasts indiscriminately, march right past the Scribes as they were torn apart by daemons, and not even respond to them on Vox.

As far as the Entombed are concerned, the War Scribes do not exist.

>>34445853
>>34446013

Well, the death would be well and truly dead, Ferrus style, but it would have taken place behind the scenes. Only the Chapter would know about it, and their successors, and a few Imperials very good at reading between the lines.

The Mechanicus would have to REALLY THOROUGHLY cover up the fact that they had directly killed a loyal Primarch, after all, and if the War Scribes Chapter *could* ever prove it, it'd be a big deal. Of course, controlling all the cogitators helps a lot.

To everyone else, it's a mysterious disappearance, and the War Scribes of the 40th millennium basically operate independently of the Mechanicus, delving for relics and re-engineering their own stuff from them, as do their successors.

They'd be doing everything they could to break the Admech's stranglehold, and buying favor of other Imperial forces with their technology (though on such a small scale the 40k Admech has largely dismissed them).

They'd be a bit like really well equipped conspiracy theorists, seeing Admech sabotage in every broken piece of equipment (again, grimdark). Many would appreciate them bringing STC fragments to the masses, but just as many would be like "Goddamnit here come the War Scribes again. Just take what they have to offer, but don't listen to their rants about how a Titan Legion "mysteriously" crushed their Primarch or whatever the story is today..."

Seem good?

Are we going to have a post-heresy Grey Knights type of chapter?

>>34446073
I see no reason why the Emperor would not have created them in this AU just as he did in the canon timeline.

>>34446030
Do you think The Entombed would accept an apology from a successor chapter led/inspired by Galilei? I think all possible answers are entertaining in their own way.

>>34445594

Found a title for the Primarch of the Gorges.

> X, the Endless Mouth.

I can see him being a legendary monster on his home planet, one that haunted the woods/savannah and devored the strongest beasts, ignoring other humans for he considered them weak, growing stronger with each hunt.

And then a disease on his planet would cause all animals to go dire and mutate into monsters.
The Endless Mouth would then lead the humans into a battle for survival against the Monsters, despite his mouth which could extend and distort his normally handsome face, the humans would accept him for he was the only one who managed to kill one.

BUT he would force them all to consume the beasts after they fell them.
Over the years of hunts, the humans would go strong, but The Mouth would always be the strongest.

Thus he would start conquering other continents or other planets. Always devouring conquests after conquests, the weak joining him with the hope of becoming strong...

But one day he would run out of enemies to hunt. And then the Catastrophe would happen, the Mouth would turn on his own, his hunger for strong enemies to devour only satisfied by those he had raised to strength.

And this is when the Emperor arrived.
Saving his Son from the hate of his fellows, the first thing that could calm his hunger.
The Mouth would pledge allegiance to the Emperor if he promised him new grounds to hunt and new enemies to devour.
The Emperor seeing his son achievements would gladly oblige.

>>34446143
How can you accept what you cannot hear?
How can you accept an apology from someone who does not exist?

>>34446143

Do the Entombed blame the other loyalists on Isstvan V for crippling their Primarch like the IHs blame the Sallies and Ravens for failing them on Isstvan V?

>>34446018
See the Gorges.

>>34446169

They fit what being aligned to Khorne means without being the equivalent of "Endlessly raging Berzekers".

They fit better than "FIRE! FIRE!!!"

>>34446195
Only the War Scribes.

>>34445783
Half my boys went over to the traitors, if that counts.

So guys, Im trying to figure out where Octullus should fit into with the other legions, and how he would interact after the heresy, assuming he makes it. How would the other legions feel

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So I guess my Legion just roams the Formless Wastes not really do anything. I imagine the Gods don't like my legion, but just use them as work mules to punish each others Legions when they get to headstrong or do something to piss a God off. So we're shitty Chaos Minotaurs? I guess?

On a side note if your good with names, for the love of Malal please come up with something better then "Battle Rams"

>>34446169
See i'm down with that
You'd naturally hate the Sons of Fire because you compete for Khornes favour and disagree on how best to serve him.
Welcome to the

maybe call The Mouth the Maw though? The Mouth does sound a bit odd.
And the Legion the GorgeRs so as not to be confused with the geographical meaning.

But thats great - add it to the list on the wiki.,

>>34446065
So long as the Children were involved, I'm cool with whatever.
Arelex is too important to the Childrens interests for them to ignore him.

>>34445783
The Emperors Eyes were originally traitors, but then betrayed them after seeing the fate of their allegiance to the Chaos Gods.

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>>34446065
if its good for you, it's good for us!

Lokking at the wiki, what happened to the Dragon Riders/X-mas Rangers?

>>34442576
>There are rumors that during the darkest days of the Heresy, not even the Steel Marshall's were immune to the taint that Hektor has spread so far. A company of Steel Marshall's, the Umbral Blades, were in the thick of fighting traitorous brethren on some long dead world. The Steel Marshall's present, led by the now thrice-cursed Death-Knight Ghalahad Avent, were outnumbered by a contingent of Silver Spears, who danced in the combat and delighted in the pain they caused. So enraged was Ghalahad that he swore that no Silver Spear would best him, and against reason called for any power to guide his blade. The Blood God answered his plea, empowering him and his now fallen brothers to slay the Silver Spears. Their martial prowess enhanced with the Blood God's favour, the heretics pushed the Silver Spears off the planet and used the skulls of the fallen (friend or foe) to build a pyramid as tribute to the Blood God. After the battle, they fled the system, word of their treachery soon reaching their Primarch. Embodying the martial honor aspect of Khorne, the Blood Knights are a mockery of their Primarch's roots and a stain upon the Legion's honor.

Idea I had for a small amount of Steel Marshall Traitors. Yes no?

>>34446294
Yeah, that's fine. It's as good a way as any to show how the Scribes often choose their friends poorly.

>>34446299
In that case, it's canon.

>>34446172
I am now imagining Galilei delivering his apology in person and getting that as a response - actually a huge sign of respect, all things considered.

That would send his successor chapter off Orannis' apparent ideal that the Imperium can work if we all just pull together - because, really, we can't. Hmm.

>>34446222

The Sons of Fire aren't just "FIRE! FIRE!!!". They're about purging, cleansing worlds to the crust, and they have a berserk desire within them to just burn everything, including themselves. Indeed, their version of the 'Red Butchers' are the 'Igniax Terminators', who have burned themselves down to a point where their faces are almost skeltal, and who bathe themselves in Ashes and probably do that cannibalism thing you talked about as well.

The World Eaters have a madness for blood within them. The sons of fire have a madness for fire within them, and as the heresy goes on, their disciplined side fades away as they delight in just burning everything and giving khorne mountains of ash-blasted skulls.

>>34446294
The Maw sounds too beastly, he is supposed to hunt the beasts, would be weird if people dubbed him the same as a beast. Mouth sounds more human, plus it emphasizes his mutation, his mouth, extensible and incredibly strong, ect...

>>34446169

Now for the name I'm stuck.

I was thinking about something French, insinuating that he enjoy his food...

>>34446303
The green dragons were the xmas rangers. but the guy hasnt been around since he did his intro so we might as well cut them

>>34446357

> they are disciplined and then they become not!disciplined.

Doing the same thing as
> they use flamers BUT they use axes?

To put it simply so you might understand, what's the focus here? The Flamers or the Axes?

>>34446357
If anything fire screams Tzeentch to me...

What about making them about burning books, burning knowledge...

Nevermind they would need psykers to do that but they use flamers only.... too bad.

>>34446357
An obsession with shedding blood is very Khornate.

An obsession with pyromania sounds more Slanneshi to me, personally. Khorne has the monopoly on obsessions with war, blood, slaughter, etc, but Slannesh has all the rest, I'm pretty sure.

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>>34446291
the horns of x (Skarradon, Vexis, etc)
the Sanguine Rams?
the Blood Rams
Rams of Cordon etc?
Battering Rams?
Blood Horns
minotaurs,,,,, ? lol
the Ram Bows hehe

>>34446420
why not both?
both require you to be close, and you do need a ranged weapon. why not both? Marines can fire bolters one handed with ccw's why not flamers too?

>>34446466
>war, blood, slaughter, etc
These are things the Sons of Fire are all about.

>>34446291
>legion led by possessed
That sounds more like a heavy spearhead for demon warhosts. They create a breach in realspace, demons come out and that's when the actual attack begins. Battle Rams warbands tend to be small, but give them a chance to open a Warp portal and you might as well start writing the petition to reclassify the planet as a Demon World.

Essentially Word Bearer tactics, heavy use of demons and possessed, non-possessed marines worshiping Chaos hoping to become possessed.

>>34446481
Horns of X or Blood Rams, IMO

>>34446420

Axe-Flamers.

The focus would be on the desire to just burn everything, and how that ends up being twisted to burning everything as a sacrifice for Khorne.

Khorne's realm is one of fire and blood. Fire is one of his elements.

>>34446444
Tzeentch is about change, and schemes. And they don't care for burning books or burning knowledge. Just burning everything.

>>34446466
Fire can be slaughter, can be boiling blood, can be war. How many talk about 'The Fires of War'?
Nice quads, by the way.

Right I'm going bed cause it's almost 2am here. Don't get rid of my legion or I'll knife you.

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>>34446291

Ravagers?
Space Rams?
Void Rams?
Astral Rams?
Murder Rams?
The Herd?
Sons of Kranios?
Ramesses II?
Death Rams?
Blood Rams?
Rams of Blood?
Goatboys?
Color? Rams
Crimson Rams
Black rams

So these are all shit so I looked at rams in latin which is aries. Which comes from aris meaning altar. Cause gutting rams makes gods happy.

Astral Aries
Blood Aries
Dark Aries

fuck it man.

I dunno how to make rams good.

>>34446536
Same - goodnight guys

>>34446536

Your Legion is the Legion of the Warmaster. You're the most vital of all. You're not going anywhere.

So the Crusaders are now contributing to the Codex Astartes now?

>>34446481
Horned Warriors?
Horns of Kranos?

>>34446517
The wiki says they are utilitarians, which is kinda not Khorne at all... plus not they are about burning everything when not too long ago they were 'disciplined'.

And now Khorne is going to end gorging on Ashes instead of Blood....

Yeaaaahhhh..... You are trying too hard to make this work.

Reminder to put as much info as you can under your Legion on 1d4chan

Any one think of a Good place for my Primarch to actually die? I Was thinking either the Siege of Terra or on Mars. Could one of the Traitor Primarchs possibly killing him, kind of linking him to Ferrus Manus?

>>34446624
Well, he needs to pick a direction and focus on it, is the problem. That'll remove a lot of the confusing conflicts.

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>>34445632
I've been trying to get to a computer for a day now, and I'm kinda bummed you guys ran through so many threads so fast while I was away.

Primarch Rook North is one of the few Primarchs with a sense of humor. He's an adamant believer of Mind over Body and this shows in his fighting style. He is a skinnier Primarch (in comparison) and his children share the same physique.

The Nova Defenders are a legion dedicated to defensive combat on the field as opposed to fortifications like the Imperial fists. They use Land Raiders, and custom Riot Shields to create blockades and slowly advance on the enemy.

Their entire existence is wrapped up in defending a relic known as the Lighthouse (secretly a warp gate, and almost a direct link to Terra) from all who try to claim it. Upon first being deployed to their oceanic home world they faced two Tyranid hive fleets, and received grievous casualties, nearly cutting their forces in half. This battle is known as The Battle of the First Night.

They never quite returned to full strength and are forever a small legion, although they never suffered a blow quite like the first night. They defend the Lighthouse from the Tyranids which are drawn to it, and have begun adapting their fighting style to combat their favored enemy.

When the Horus Heresy began, they tried to avoid conflict for as long as possible. North did not like the idea of a civil war and wanted no part of it. That is until his sons cried out to assist their Brothers, the Imperial Fists. North fought alongside Dorn, and the Nova Defenders were regarded as Imperial from that point on. However Russ has his suspicions, since it took North so long to pick a side.

Pic related is a standard Nova Defender.
(cont.)

>>34446624

It works, you're just trying very hard to make it not work.

This is our own heresy, we don't need another clone of the World Eaters who are all about skills and blood.

What's wrong with serving Khorne by purging with fire? Why must ot always be chainaxes and blades? Does he care how skulls are delivered to him?

>>34446657

This is no Horus Heresy. There is no Horus. There is Hektor, the Arch Traaitor, Inferox the Burned King, and many others.

>>34446655
And he would be in a way easier spot if he didn't to have to make it a Khorne Legion at any price.

He would then be able to focus on that Fire theme, that plus the -> interesting <- dichotomy between discipline and flame could be used and harnessed.

But hey...

>>34446703
Last time I was in the thread we we just adding more legions to cannon, becuase missing primarchs. Anyone want to give me the short version of what I missed?

>>34446712
>the -> interesting <- dichotomy between discipline and flame could be used and harnessed.

Sounds pretty khornate to me

>>34446712
I though the lack of discipline was kind of the point there. Fire can't be controlled, it burns and destroys everything it touches, and the Sons of Fire act the same.

>>34446776
Now you are just trying to rustle my jimmies.

>>34446798

I thought the lack of discipline came with the fall to Khorne. That Khorne caused them to become unbound fire that burned all.

>>34446798
They don't, they are utilitarians and disciplined.

They become undisciplined through the heresy because their creator noticed that they couldn't really be about discipline and Khorne. Sole reason.

>>34446771
Thread legions are the only legions, we've replaced the canon legions entirely. Some legions have filled canon roles, like the Scions primarch defending the emperor as Sanguinius did (and being crippled and put in stasis like rowboat was.) Other Legions are doing new stuff.

>>34446835

I never said they were Utilitarian, That was the fluff compiler. To me, they were about fire. There's not much utility in fire.

And I had them trying to mask and control their pyromania before the Heresy, like the World Eaters tried to suppress their Blood Lust.

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Black Augurs are back after a short hiatus. Any new developments that I should be notified about?

>>34446882
Mask their pyromania through their discipline.

And now they are just pyromaniacs.
No longer cold, no longer calm, and ruthless (after all those kinda go hand to hand with military discipline).

Again you are just making it harder for you.
Would be -> liberating <- if you weren't tied to making them a Khornate legion.

>>34446333
OK. So after the events of >>34445399, pulling himself together, and attempting to make good with Golgothos only to be told >>34446172, Galilei has drawn definite conclusions. The Imperium's basic flaw is the flawed nature of mankind. Even with the Emperor at its head, a relatively free and open society only invited ambition and treachery. He greets the Inquisition like a long-lost friend and sets the Knights Draconian on an unending crusade.

Of course, Galilei is still Orannis' son. He has that knack for understanding patterns in the data and tendency to ignore the feelings of people. That makes the Knights Draconian the chapter of the pre-emptive strike and deeply, deeply unpopular - basically the only imperial institution that has time for them are the Inquisition, but that's more than enough. The typical Knight Draconian says little but gladly expresses himself in writing. Their tactics are Codex-compliant although slightly skewed due to being fleet-based and typically deployed in orbital drops. The Chapter has a reputation for poor siegeworks.

Arelex Orannis, do you want to veto any of this?

>>34446929
I don't understand how BURN, KILL, MAIM isn't khornate

>>34446929

I always saw them as a Khrone Legion, from the get-go. That's who they are, who they fell to, and who they serve. They are the Fire's of Khorne's hatred, the all consuming Inferno of his Realm made manifest.

>>34446979
>>34446998

All good.

Khorne's favorite legion will provide him Ashes for all of eternity. Fitting.

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>>34446844
So just disregard my last paragraph then?

>>34446657
Nova Defender sergeants can be identified by white helmets, and captains by orange (pic related). The Nova Defenders are also home to a unique unit known as a Blockade Marine. They have black helmets and carry large Riot Shields. They usually deploy with the assault squads, but prove useful just about anywhere on the battle field.

Nova Defenders take after their primarch in appearance, and have gaunt facial features. Defined cheekbones, sunken eyes, and thin faces. They have tan Caucasian skin, similar to Italians, and they usually have brown wavy or curly hair.

Legion culture heavily surrounds the relic they guard. They talk about it like it is a beacon for all the good in the universe.

>>34446970
Sounds all right. I'm sure Johannes would tell himself that he's seen what Arelex failed to understand, the fact that humanity is incapable of working together because of its clashing ambitions and goals.

The other successors of the War Scribes probably wouldn't like the Knights Draconian all that much, but in a universe where the Admech wishes to erase Arelex's legacy from the galaxy, better a black sheep than no brothers at all.

Who knows, perhaps the Knights will uncover something after all. Arelex would have supported exploration in all its forms, even those that seem strange or incorrect.


Bear in mind though, that the Admech will probably want your Chapter as dead as all the others who carry Arelex's gene-seed. Tread carefully.

Anyone want to help me with some fluff. im not too good with fluffing things.

>>34446970
I suppose the Eyes of the Emperor would also be very intrested with knocking off your chapter master, as he wishes to expose the Admech conspiracy, and my legion has incredibly close ties to the Ad mech (The Ad Mech is really the only reason they weren't declared Heretics after the heresy due to them saving Mars)

Hey guys, including the Nova Defenders, that's 16 loyalists to 12 traitors, so it's a little bit onesided

>>34447162
I am still waiting for a volunteer to step up to be my general nemesis, a legion who attacked my homeworld during the Betrayal.

>>34447231
I could possibly do that, and that be the place where the Eyes of the Emperor decided to turn against the Traitors

>>34447228
If we're still doing this tomorrow, I'll make a traitor legion too. Assuming we don't have more legions by then.

Then again, the Traitors are super sneaky, maybe they SHOULD be outnumbered?

>>34447162
I'd also be happy to help you

>>34447244
This was pre-heresy.
It was the move that ultimately led to their turning.

Did anyone save my actual legion post? i cant seem to find the one i saved.

>>34447274
If we really need to I can make a traitor legion as well, but I'd rather give other anons the opportunity before any of us make two.

>>34447293
Ah I see, your looking for somes ones wolves to your prospero

>>34447131
I think Johannes really admired Arelex, and he's not angrily striking out against his "father". His critique of the Istvaan V campaign was meant to move the War Scribes forward, but the Primarch was busy with the AdMech and never really replied. So, at least for the Knights Draconian, they might see themselves as the rightful inheritors of Arelex's mission.

>>34447210
I think Johannes dies pretty soon after the Second Founding, which only makes the Knights Draconian more extremist. The Eyes being responsible would turn that up to 12.

>>34447274
Well, we do have 26 Legions at this time. That's kind of a strange number, although having a 13/13 split is kinda cool for the numerology aspects of 13.

We could go for 30 Legions, perhaps.

And nothing says we have to have a half and half split. Some Legions might have simply been ground down and destroyed *during* the Crusade, others might have been Missing Legionned. In this case, we'd know the nature of those Missing Legions, which might be cool.

It would also be easier to add in 4 more Legions, if we knew that they were destined to be annihilated and removed from the canon. Might even be a fun experiment for people, to know before you start writing that you're signing up to be BLAMMED.

>>34447353
That I am sir, that I am.

>>34447379
That's workable, too. It'll cause friction with the other successors, but hey, someone's gotta try to be the best kid.

>>34447379
That sounds like something they would do. The Ad Mech tells them that Johannes has been acting hectically and building new and dangerous prototypes of technology that could destroy the Imperium. Scared of what could happen, some "Ork" Snipers kill Johannes, and the Eyes of the Emperor walk/drive away in some new land raiders and relic Terminator armor, along with a new battle barge, curtesy of the Ad Mech. Also fits with the Paranoia aspect as well

>>34446657
>When the Horus Heresy began, they tried to avoid conflict for as long as possible. North did not like the idea of a civil war and wanted no part of it. That is until his sons cried out to assist their Brothers, the Imperial Fists. North fought alongside Dorn, and the Nova Defenders were regarded as Imperial from that point on. However Russ has his suspicions, since it took North so long to pick a side.

Since there is no Imperial Fists, I need someone else to play the roll as my Primarchs friend, and my legions close ally, in order to swing the Nova Defenders to the loyalist side. I looked through the loyal chapters and the Scions of Europa seem pretty perfect, considering they're tactical and Greco-Roman inspired. Is than anon still here?

>tfw no friends

>>34447593
hey, at least you get remembered

Ok. So I've gone over all the lore so far and it seems solid but I feel like my Augurs and I are about as useless as the Raven Guard. Does anyone have a need for a villain in any of their loyalist backgrounds? I'd be more than willing to antagonize.

>>34447593
>>34447498
>Close Combat siege specialists
Our chapters would work well together, you want to be my reason to join the loyalists?

Thinking Nathanog as the name for the Primarch of the Gorges. But it kinda fails on the Epic part, any suggestions?

>>34447471
All the more amusing because the Knights Draconian are in some ways Not!Black Templars - probably not what Arelex had in mind! But lots of Successor chapters say that they're really the ones who are the legitimate heirs.

>>34447492
Done deal. The Knights Draconian have been taking revenge under the cover of their general spread of mayhem ever since.

>>34447498
Scions are already doing a lot in the fluff. You might want to pick a less "busy" legion.