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>>34500053
>End the scene

You decide to wrap up the current ‘meeting’, if you can call it that. You figure that Annette could be a positive influence on Finn’s development and make it clear you’d appreciate if she could teach Finn a bit more about administration and finance. You’re pretty sure the look on Annette’s face at being told she’s free to spend lots of private time with Finn isn’t the look an innocent girl would normally make. At least you know you were right that she was interested in him. You just had to hope that Rayza or this Mana fox didn’t tear her apart when they found out.

You then find yourself busy for, well, a good few weeks. There’s a surprising amount of busywork for an Imperator.

Current Date and Time: Early morning on January 10th, 1953PC

The war against Farun is in full swing. After Finn’s daring raid into their heartland the Farunese soldiers had redoubled their protection within their territories but that had left Teret wide open with most of their army dug into Farun and Illin. Combined with Arail’s raids against Arrine, which had left half the territory under your control, the Farunese army had been forced into a complete defensive position. Fuurin found it trivial to link up with what forces Lyyph had sent south to deal with Farun.

Which were sadly less than you’d expected. Compagnon had declared war on Termina, revealing a secret alliance with Farun that you suspect was a new as your alliance with Termina. The few mercs that Compagnon had were able place a lot of pressure on Lyyph’s territory and he was forced to constantly fight them off. To make matters worse, the summer floods along their borders made troop movements along the south of Compagnon nigh impossible. You took refuge in the fact that Compagnon was unable to do any trading except through the Mage Guard, with the sea route cut off by Vitria’s small but regionally powerful fleet.

>continued

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>>34500053
The current situation mostly left Arail and Fuurin having to pincer Farun while Lyyph redirected his force towards Compagnon to whittle down their military. The mercenaries would tire of the raids quickly and then the greater forces of Termina would shatter the weak fortifications of Compagnon and apply a lot of pressure to the merchants.

In brighter news, you had a new medium mage-knight factory in Darlesia. The main question came from how much money to pour into it. Sarah estimated your current end-of-financial-year treasury to be about 600TBY but you had the canal to think about – a 500TBY per year minimum expense wasn’t to be shrugged at. Tax returns were rising but Marcus suspected they might only bring in another 200-300TBY at the most. This meant that if you started the canal as planned you’d only have a few hundred TBY in your treasury to open the new financial year.

Ultimately, if you turned on the tap for full military production you’d be burning an extra 130TBY per year for HMKs and 130 TBY for the new MMK factory plus the expenses of new soldiers. That meant you’d open the new year with a near nil balance. You might be able to recover it but new expenses and casualties meant you might find your emprie running into a deficit quickly. Of course, if the additional military lets you maintain order and keep expanding then you’ll find yourself flooded with money.

The main problem was not knowing how much money you’d be pulling in with new conquest. At the same time, you also knew you’d need to extra military if you were to go to war with Shropham during the year. World events would wait for no man.

Until you were a god capable of making the world bend to your whim you needed to prioritise. You…

>1. Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.
>2. Some moderate level of military production.
>3. Keep military production unchanged.
>4. Custom

>>34500120
this is quite possible. She has been extremely ecstatic about things that favor vitria thus far

>>34500128
>Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.

>>34500128

This is probably off-topic but I'll throw it out anyway: Couldn't we just use the money to bribe the mercenaries into defecting? And integrate them into our army for the impending campaign into Shropham?

Seems like it would save us some trouble.

>>34500128
>>2. Some moderate level of military production.
Keep the HMK unchanged, MMK to maximum

>>34500128
Um, what's the price tag on MAX WAR PRODUCTION?

>>34500128
>>1. Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.

>>34500128
>1. Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.

>>34500202
>Ultimately, if you turned on the tap for full military production you’d be burning an extra 130TBY per year for HMKs and 130 TBY for the new MMK factory plus the expenses of new soldiers

I think this might be max military production.

>>34500128
>1. Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.

Full fucking tilt, we need everything we got for the future.

>>34500128
>>1. Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.

I fucking love deficit spending. Time to max out Talon's credit cards.

>>34500128
>1. Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.

>>34500179
Do you really want mercs that will change allegiance at the first hint of more coin?

>>34500072
>with the sea route cut off by Vitria’s small but regionally powerful fleet.

Someday we'll have a glorious navy. SOMEDAY I SWEAR.

>>34500128
>1. Pushed your military production to its maximum. 400MMK every 4wks, 50 HMK every 4 weeks, 500 AAs every 4 wks.

>>34500229
Goddamn it. Ok, it's time for me to go to sleep.

Keep it together guys, catch you later.

>>34500109
>If she could govern other territories fairly and leverage that to her advantage when dealing with Vitrian politics that'd be awesome, but I don't' see it happening.
I see it happening, but then again, I asked OP about this in an email during the week when I came up with the idea.

>>34500230
Will we be taking breaks from conquests every now an then or are we going to be doing an endless war? We also need to keep in mind the cost of garrisoning by the end of this

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>>34500266
I like to think of Vitria's navy as kind of like Australia's. Tiny compared to most other developed nations but stupidly strong compared to every other regional power.

>>34500179
This is possible. The question is mostly how much you'll be charged by them.It's probably a little like a bribe where they don't tell you the amount and you just got to make an opening offer and hope its both high enough without being too high.

>>34500128
they found mercenaries? damn, that means a lot of their treasury wasted! the longer it goes, the more of it we miss out on.
Wait... is there a reason we can't just crush the mercenaries with talon personally? its not like we will get them to join us like we would the standing army.

>>34500128
1

>>34500334
Minor question, but did Termina ever have a magitech factory? Looking at the time of their war with Darlesia I think they might have a HMAA factory in terrible repair.

>>34500352
actually, based on this we might be able to intimidate the mercenaries instead of just outright crushing them with talon.
a small show of force and explaining that we were holding back in this war as we plan to capture as much of farun's military ALIVE as we can to integrate them into our army. As mercenaries they don't hold the same value to us. So, surrender or get whopped by talon
also, I just like the idea of talon taking a whole army single handedly and winning

>>34500352
>Wait... is there a reason we can't just crush the mercenaries with talon personally? its not like we will get them to join us like we would the standing army.
I think their military are mercenaries. Compagnon has a terrible military tradition. I mean, they're basically Italians.

>>34500486
so basically, when the tides of war change, they will surrender and join us unconditionally?

>>34500486
that is the point, compagnom has no real military, it just has mercenaries.
Which we have little reason to go easy on. Especially considering that they are draining the coffers of compagnom which we would want to be intact

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>1.

You instructed Farrell to keep the foundries working at full capacity. Shropham was going to badly outnumber you but every additional mage-knight you had was a huge boon to your army. You weren’t going to leave yourself in a spot where you couldn’t expand your empire because you’d been afraid of a little debt. You’d just have to repay them with taxes and conquest. You suspected the Vitrian nobles funding your probably debt would appreciate the extra revenue opportunities that conquest would bring them.

Going through that and the complexities surrounding it had been your main business for the day. Most of your retinue was busy so you figured it was time to actually pay Karise’s foxes a visit. You’d heard a lot about it from the various foxes whose tails you’d been stroking lately and were curious to see what it was like.

It was oddly chilly for a summer when Karise ported you into the village. You suspect this was mostly due to the fact that the village was in the mountain range itself, rather than closer to ground level. Spread all around the rough and barren terrain were huts and small garden patches. The foxes must be using their magic to keep the plants growing given the high altitude and poor soil.

There’s plenty to visit with Karise hovering nearby. You…

>1. Check out Karise’s home.
>2. Wander through the village and check up on the foxes in general.
>3. Look around for defences and the like.
>4. Custom

>>34500486

Well it isn't really their fault. The sanctions placed on them by the Guard kind of prevents them from having a proper standing military and the League-RSK conflict has dried up the Merc resources.

I imagine once we take over, things will be different pretty immediately.

>>34500562
>>2. Wander through the village and check up on the foxes in general.

>>34500574
Lyph and Farun managed it.

>>34500562
>2. Wander through the village and check up on the foxes in general.

Kiss some kits, shake some hands, be the god damn Imperator.

>>34500574
oh, that is another great reason to assign nair's father there. he is top notch statemen AND top notch general. which means whipping up the new recruits into shape

>>34500562
>2. Wander through the village and check up on the foxes in general.

>>34500562
>3. Look around for defences and the like.
be the warrior king

>>34500562
>2. Wander through the village and check up on the foxes in general.
Need to check out her house and defenses at some point tho

>>34500562
2+3.

We're trying to get a feel for the place and fox culture, but we also want to make sure they're in the best shape possible to weather the worst possibilities.

>>34500562
4
ask her to give you the tour first. let her lead (for now)

>>34500562
Ask her if they'd want Gnome to maybe make the soil more fertile or something.

>>34500562
>2. Wander through the village and check up on the foxes in general.
>1. Check out Karise’s home.

Start with getting an idea of the average Fox's lifestyle, then get Karise to show us what their homes are like. Are there multiple, separate rooms or just curtained off areas in a single large room?

Speaking of shropam. Am I the only one thinking of letting the mage guard pound them for a bit to soften both before we move in for the kill on their soft unprotected flank?
We could potentially even blackmail the mage guard "Either I am joining shropam and flanking you... or I am joining you and flanking them. But if we do this I keep the entire territory afterwards"

>>34500687
isn't it talon's job to make gnome's soil fertile?
or wait, undines!

Also, remember they said that they don't need any help, they use the menial labour to train the young foxes.

>>34500128
Shouldn't we have information on the size of Lyph's treasury, and estimated income figures?

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>2.

You decide to have a bit of a poke about the village itself. To be truthful, you’d expected something a little more grandiose than a mere mountain village. Surely two hundred mystic foxes could make something impressive.

As it turned out, it was kind of impressive. The huts looked simply on the outside but were complex on the inside. Multiple rooms, modern plumbing and heating – there was even a kitchen as good as the one you had in Harrowmont. The simplistic exterior must be a psychological tactic to ward off raiders, you thought.

Not that you had too much time to wander about and look. You’d swiftly found a fox kit bundled up in your arms after visiting a few huts, his mother showing Karise something or another in a separate room. You mostly cuddled the tiny fox and marvelled at the fact this little white fox would turn into a humanoid mystic fox shortly. Taira had mentioned to you that mystic fox kits only gained a colour that wasn’t the bland grey within the month before they gained their human form. Personally, you just wondered how humanoid parents dealt with having a little fox kit as a child for a year. It bewildered you a little.

>continued

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Then you were out in the village again, taking careful note of the way the structures were placed, with the plumbing running underneath ground. The gardens were clearly just a means of working the younger foxes, being too small to provide non-trivial amounts of plant. Karise had said once that they had planned to trade for their food, after all.

The biggest thing you noted was the fact that the village was set-up in such a way that an invader would have a difficult time easily attacking multiple parts of the village without moving around. Rocks and rough terrain blocked clean line-of-sight. Barriers could be easily erected between terrain features and used to ward off attackers. This was a village built not just to comfortably house the foxes but protect them. It’s main failing was that it never could supply enough food to keep them alive.

You’d just need to make sure it never came to such a situation.

>Anything to say to Karise?

I’m probably going to wrap up the session after the next post. I’ll be doing the flashback next session (which is the 5th of Sept as I screwed up the date on both OPs).

>>34500943
dawww

>>34500956
How is the rest of her clan dealing with the news?

>>34501013
News of everything that's going on rather.

>>34500943
>Personally, you just wondered how humanoid parents dealt with having a little fox kit as a child for a year.

That is damn weird but still pretty cute.

>>34500943
>You’d swiftly found a fox kit bundled up in your arms after visiting a few huts,

Nothing will be more adorable then this ever.

>>34500956
Impressive

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>>34501305
Hmm?

>Ask about the foxes reaction to general news

“So how is everybody actually settling in, given the general news?” you ask Karise as you wander about.

“Quite well,” she replies. “I don’t think any news could really trouble them as much as general living in the Mage Guard did. We had to be wary about a lot. You never knew for sure if the nearby inquisitor would cause you trouble or not.”

You make some small talk with Karise as you watch the foxes go about their lives. They seem rather content with things. You even spot a few of the foxes who you’ve stroked the tails of in the past, though they mostly just blush and hurry on past. You really do wonder how those girls think of you. You’ve yet to meet a fox who objected in the slightest to you stroking their tail yet they all react that way in front of others later.

You’re tempted to bring up the topic to Karise but figure that might be cruel to Sarnn. Instead you end the visit and head back to Harrowmont after another hour. Gnome had reminded you that you needed to do something about that vampire, Aladria Serat, who had her own little mansion in Raupe.

>That’s the thread

Next thread is 6:30pm EDT on the 5th of September. I’ll be here for questions and banter as usual, but I may vanish for a short time.

Also, as the GDoc is developing constantly I'd appreciate feedback on it.

>>34501462
this question is rather pertinent:
>>34500747

>>34501462
Thanks for the run Aspie.

>>34501462
Ah, when I meant the Clan, I was referring to her "boss" Oh well, my fault for not being clear.

Thanks for running.

>>34501511
Hmm, we probably should have asked Karise in private to acquire more information on our ally.

>>34501511
I just wanted to mention that even if we haven't formally merged yet, we could easily sell them MMK or AA gear at cost, as we do have a secure supply line to his capitol now. Since we'd be getting all of them back anyway, its probably not even worth keeping track of.

>>34501462

Good run tonight. Feel like the character interactions went very smoothly.

>>34501462
thanks for the run aspir

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>>34501511
Your spies have been a little focused on everybody else in the region. Lyyph's treasury isn't that big, though (he's been spending it to enlarge his military). You also don't really have any idea of income figures as your spies aren't adept at collecting that and much fo that would be done by the nobles under Lyyph (so he wouldn't know either).

>>34501545
Oh, the issues regarding splitting from the clan as a whole. Most would be encouraging on that front

>>34503479
I just re-read the whole quest and there are a couple of skills that have not been updated on Talon's character sheet.
>Focus self 1--> Focus Power 1
>Astral projection 1-->Astral projection 2
Have we levelled up any stats other than these?

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>>34503595
Oh, that's right. Tsucchi showed you a better form of Focus Self. For some reason that wasn't updated on my master char sheet so I missed updating it elsewhere.

Otherwise, no stat level ups but you're close to bumping up Charisma, Leadership and Weaponry.

>>34503725
Fuck what a night.

That's kind of interesting. We never got to the mage guard.

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>>34503999
What browser are you using? I know GDocs has some problems with older browsers.

And one thing to try if you can't scroll is to try the 'Download As' option under the file menu to get an Excel file you can browse if you have Excel or OpenOffice.

>>34504023
?

>>34504031
Yeah, I needed to duck out for a couple of hours so I put the Sylvian thing off for a little bit rather than leave it half-done. I'll probably get back to it after the flashback.

>>34503725
You also copy pasted Tairas sheet before correcting a error. So her range is still listed as moderate.

I"m pretty sure Finn is also messing Imbed sorcery 3.

>>34504046
>?

I got pretty drunk while everything was going on and passed out on the table.

Actually while I"m awake there is something I was wondering today. Taira is over a thousand years old. So in that timeframe has she had any children? Or is she one really careful fox.

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>>34504057
You mean Wondrous Body III. To be honest, the pastebin's getting out of date mostly has to do with the fact they're a pain in the arse to edit and make new copies of. I regret ending up with so many.

>>34504074
>Taira is over a thousand years old. So in that timeframe has she had any children? Or is she one really careful fox.
She is one really careful fox. She's a little coy on why she's avoided children but she gives you the impression that she's interested in producing children with a powerful enough partner, which may explain her intended marriage to Ren.

>>34504147
is that why she is after talon?

>>34504147
Welp Talon time to level up for foxy clan leader. Although we don't really know what Talon might have. Since we know Magical beings override non-magical. I wonder if astral will override magical and lead to foxes having the same issue humans do.

Also is it just me or is Taira+Talon a mages worst nightmare? A chick who can burst though their protections without effort and Talon with true astral power. In a way that's Even worse then Gnome+Talon.

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>>34504164
She may have gotten interested in you partly because of that but you get the feeling she's just playing right now.

>>34504233
Taira is a nightmare to just about everybody weaker than her and those in her ballpark of power could only threaten her if they're built specifically to withstand huge amounts of power. Saareg could easily shrug off anything she throws at him and turn her into kibble and Gnome could potentially win due to her anti-magic abilities still being able to affect spiritual techniques (and her being optimised for CQC with Taira being very squishy).

Talon's just dangerous in general, with a lot of staying power and strength. He lacks really good crowd control in melee, however. Whether you continue taking him down the Saareg path or shift him somewhere else once you get his actual powers will be interesting.

>>34504509
>Whether you continue taking him down the Saareg path.

I honestly see Talon powerwise evolving to Kind of a mix. Very high power up close but not horrible at large scale attacks.

>>34504509
>Saareg

Aspirational you keep reminding me I was the only one who voted for this guy. ;_;

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>>34504714
If it makes you feel better, here's his char sheet, less one spoilery ability.

Name: Saareg
Class: Revenant
Title: **** Revenant
Magic Type: Astral
Equipment: Custom armour, khazite short sword
Level: 5 / 5
Personality: Stoic and knightly

STATS

Strength [6]
Endurance [6]
Speed [6]
Intelligence [5]
Magic [8]
Resistance [8]
Charisma [5]

SKILLS

Weaponry IV – unparalleled proficiency in a great variety of weapons.
Martial Arts III – exceptional proficiency in a variety of martial arts and in combining them.
Battlefield Basics III – exceptional proficiency in all general battlefield skills (dodging, blocking etc).
Battlefield Control IV – increases all attributes by two when fighting against any foe less talented at controlling a battlefield than yourself. User cannot be blindsided or surprised during battle.
Astral Powers (Life, Death) II – ability to use intermediate astral power. Saareg can draw on both the life and death domains, but not concurrently.

ABILITIES

Empower Self IV - you use magic to increase your physical attributes by four points for twenty-four hours.
(PASSIVE) Iron Body III – by drawing on the life domain, you make yourself immune to pain and gain enhanced regeneration. Even in situations where you should collapse or suffer from grievous wounds, you do not fall or suffer. Provides effective immunity against pain, curses, poisons and damage-over-time attacks. The astral frame throughout his body also provides powerful magic resistance and is as hard as enchanted steel. Saareg has mastered this ability and it is always active.
Sunder II – by drawing on the death domain, you are able to momentarily break reality. Your blow shatters powerful magicks or penetrates objects that would otherwise be impervious. All attacks dealt using this ability cannot be regenerated using a non-astral source of power for twenty-four hours.

>>34504760
I"m in love. Also Jesus he only has Astral power II. I don't even want to know how crazy III or 4 would be.

>>34503479
>Your spies have been a little focused on everybody else in the region. Lyyph's treasury isn't that big, though (he's been spending it to enlarge his military). You also don't really have any idea of income figures as your spies aren't adept at collecting that and much fo that would be done by the nobles under Lyyph (so he wouldn't know either).
Wait, how does he run a government if he has no idea of his expected income?

>>34504842
Probably the same way Sarah helps Talon.

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Not sure if there's anybody still reading the thread who bothered to try to make sense of the financial particulars of the provinces, but if there is I wouldn't mind some feedback. Did it actually make sense this time? I remember people mostly just being confused by my old tax spreadsheet (partly because important bits were just flogged everywhere).

>>34504842
He knows his income but that's different to your income once you take over the place. His tax system is different to yours, as his relies more on his family owning lots of territory (you know, like the kings of old) and the nobles paying some levies directly rather than nation-wide taxation of everything. You'll basically be turning the whole place upside down once you help him turf out the old nobility and implement your systems there.

>>34504794
It kind of stands to reason that a capable practitioner of astral power is only at 2. I mean, Mal is only at Sorcery II. You don't really go to 3 or 4 in terms of skill until you start becoming truly spectacular. There's probably only 2-4 individuals in history who have had Sorcery IV in skills (I'm undecided whether Alyce is one; Kushan is one).

>>34504934
> I mean, Mal is only at Sorcery II

So Mal at his prime will probably cap out around 3 then?

>There's probably only 2-4 individuals in history who have had Sorcery IV in skills
> Kushan is one

This makes me think Level 4 astral would be nightmarish to fight. Considering Kushan was nightmarish just with sorcery.

>>34504934
>Not sure if there's anybody still reading the thread who bothered to try to make sense of the financial particulars of the provinces, but if there is I wouldn't mind some feedback. Did it actually make sense this time? I remember people mostly just being confused by my old tax spreadsheet (partly because important bits were just flogged everywhere).
I understand it, though admittedly the economist in me wants a projected growth figure.

I'm still half-convinced that Talon's deal is that some dying Astral entity (best guess would be an Angel that managed to stick around after the Sources were sealed) put their own soul into Talon to preserve it, like some kind of symbiotic not-dead pseudo-Revenant. Halfway between Blackwater's not!phylactery deal and the creation of a genuine Revenant, I suppose.

Stuff like
>The only thing I’m certain of is that you’re not human and the instinctive ability you have to use your power this way suggests that some part of you knows how to use this power.

>“You’re saying I’m the reincarnation of something?” you ask, sounding dubious.

>Such a thing isn’t strictly possibly except in legend. No, most likely whatever you’re tapping into has existing knowledge – that’s how created beings like us foxes work.
and
>“Because you’re wasting so much power every time you use any of it but it isn’t going anywhere,” she bites out as several of her tails restrict your right arm from going any higher. “It should be going somewhere – [...] Instead it just appears to dissipate into nothingness. It’s clearly coming from your soul but it appears to be going back into your body – which makes no sense.”

and meta implications of
>Talon, are you sure you’re remembering right? You haven’t met a proper astral being either?”
>“No, I hav-“ you start to say before-
>[DC?? ????????????]
or
>A very primitive part of your mind recognises this taint for what it is…
>Infernal magic. Devilry.
and not getting melted by the hidden-Temple defenses set by an ancient civilization (during our first meeting with Vad)

Talon only really started getting crazy strong after sucking up a huge gout of pure Astral power from the Source, which makes it feel like he's got something inside of him that knows what it's doing acting as a kind of joint Astral parser and battery.

Or not. We'll learn what it is soon enough.

>>34505293
Raphael did say he is natural though and I don't think a angel+a human would be natural.

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>>34505226
Economic and population growth is coming. Given that immigration and urbanisation are going to be the strongest sources of growth the two of closely intertwined and I'm trying to get the system right. I want a scalable system so that I can do technological changes (such as being able to farm well enough not to need 80% of the population growing food) without having to rebuild from scratch.

>>34505007
>So Mal at his prime will probably cap out around 3 then?
Pretty much. Getting skills and abilities to IV is stupidly hard. For instance, Undine is the only pure elemental to ever achieve an elemental control (Water Control in her case) of IV. Everybody else caps out at III. This is why she's considered to be so amazing despite her youth.

>>34505335
This didn't seem to ring a bell, so I double-checked our conversation. I assume you're referring to
>“Discover yourself before you come to me about that,” he says. “My ability to interfere in the natural order of things is limited but I can provide advice about things people already know of.”
I took to mean that he's somehow prohibited from jumping ahead in the cosmic script and just letting us know everything right then and there, not that whatever we are is naturally occurring.

>>34505343
How reasonable is Mal getting summoning IV? That does seem to be his hat, even if his stats currently don't reflect that.

>>34505343
>(such as being able to farm well enough not to need 80% of the population growing food)

>Talon creates massive technological advancement with the field of Patterns and magitech.
>500 years after becoming emperor the Gauron version of the French revolution happens.
>Claims that with such technology there is no need for emperors.

>>34505401
>"Raphael seemed to know what I was," you say, catching her hand before it starts any stroking motions.

Taira gives you a sour look but it swiftly turns a bit shocked as you stop teasing her and take the initiative. "Oh, that's... um, maybe we should visit him later then. If he knows then... mmm, you can't be anything too strange."

Raphael does seem to be limited in what he can intervene with.

>>34505343
Are the dwarves and elves ruled by royals?

>>34505536
We know nothing of dwarves. We do know Elfs have a ruling racial caste though.

>>34505623
>We know nothing of dwarves. We do know Elfs have a ruling racial caste though.
Which could easily have a royal family from within the ruling caste.

>>34505639
Possible. They have some pretty big issues with the Lords right next door so they could be heavily centralized to be able to deal with them.

Though this does make me wonder what happens when we invade the Elves and Finn is with us.

>>34505343
Just to ask. If Raphael was a general where would he rate on the Personal power scale?

Demigod? Or unstoppable?

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>>34505425
Very unlikely.

>>34505401
I forget if Gnome's mentioned it before in-quest, but she basically tells you that the angels have always been rather particular in their actions. They often took little action during some of the atrocities of the Golden Age that you'd think they'd have stopped but had swept in a few times to destroy otherwise innocuous towers or to stop a particular nation's war. The only thing you can be sure they'll take action over is anything divine or tremendously threatening - they reacted quickly to the shadow-beasts and most action by the Fae or Infernals. The running theory of mages has been that the angels are loathe to do anything that might take them back to their empire-building days and instead just act as guardians.

>>34505343
>Economic and population growth is coming. Given that immigration and urbanisation are going to be the strongest sources of growth the two of closely intertwined and I'm trying to get the system right.
An addendum to this is that growth is what will make Order important to provinces. Control is for short-term benefits (tax collection, crushing dissidents) but you can't get long-term growth without high Order. Happy people are prosperous people.

>>34505536
Sala says on the elves, "The elves are big on the 'right to rule' thing. Not sure if there's one long family within the Lefir, though. The ruler the emissaries were representing in Malataine seemed to change more often than you'd think the pointy ears would, given they tend to live for a while. Hard to say if they're related, though."

Gnome says on the dwarves, "They're creatures of industry and everything about them supposedly revolves around that. The Princeps of each city is definitely not hereditary and there is a council that represents the several cities within the Sithran Mountains. One dwarven ambassador I spoke with said that the value of any dwarf is determined by their contributions to society alone, not those of their relatives."

>>34505704
>I forget if Gnome's mentioned it before in-quest,

Gnome almost never talks about the angels in-quest.

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>>34505690
I'm knocking off the 'unstoppable' level in my final version so he'd be Demigodly.

>>34505782
I wasn't sure off-hand whether or not she said anything on the topic right after Raph appeared.

Was there a special reason that Kushan was so powerful, or was he just that fucking good?

I'm still wondering if Samael might not be behind the wall.

>>34505704
>The only thing you can be sure they'll take action over is anything divine or tremendously threatening [...] most action by the Fae or Infernals
If whatever's stuck with Talon is Angelic, that would help to explain a lot of the imperious inner monologue whenever those sorts of things come up subconsciously.

Especially the dream-world rambling during the raid and subsequent Order of Basette flashback.

>Your companions stand in the murky false-world ahead of you, and tendrils of that corrupted scrawl scratch at their feet. Your face twists at the sight of something like that touching those that are not of it. The elementals are pure representations of a world you wish to restore. The dragon is of a pure race that needs to soar. The fox is proof that even the corruptors can be assimilated. For the failure beyond, ‘safe’ in his false sanctuary to lay hands, even indirectly, on his betters is not something you will leave be.

The inner voice was pro-Elementals and Dragons, tentatively pro-Fox but somewhat biased against them on a fundamental level (makes sense given that Foxes are technically non-Gauran-native divine entities), and vehemently anti-Shadow-That-Turned-Out-To-Be-Fae, which lines up pretty well with the angelic mindset.

>>34505704
>Sala says on the elves, "The elves are big on the 'right to rule' thing. Not sure if there's one long family within the Lefir, though. The ruler the emissaries were representing in Malataine seemed to change more often than you'd think the pointy ears would, given they tend to live for a while. Hard to say if they're related, though."
Wouldn't Finn know how his race is ruled?

>>34505885
>The inner voice was pro-Elementals and Dragons, tentatively pro-Fox but somewhat biased against them on a fundamental level (makes sense given that Foxes are technically non-Gauran-native divine entities), and vehemently anti-Shadow-That-Turned-Out-To-Be-Fae, which lines up pretty well with the angelic mindset.
Or he's a nephilim

>>34505885
That was due to being power dominated at the time. So destroy things like Fae, Shadow beasts and increase the strength of things natural.

>>34505830
is it reasonable to assume that Merce saying
>“That’s not… I’m more interested in Undine,”
Is in fact a tacit admission that she is at least somewhat interested in Talon?

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>>34505929
Finn doesn't really like to talk about elves much so I'd probably make it an in-quest thing for you to push him for more information first.

>>34505992
You could take that away from the conversation.

>>34505871
>Was there a special reason that Kushan was so powerful, or was he just that fucking good?
There was a special reason, though part of it was that he was amazingly talented. You may or may not find out the reason as I'm not sure if it will ever matter.

>>34506038
I'm honestly just personally curious. It probably won't matter but it is a rather interesting question.

>>34506038
random question:
Has our "we don't give a crap about racial issues" public stance led to any interesting immigrants?

>>34506038
>Finn doesn't really like to talk about elves much so I'd probably make it an in-quest thing for you to push him for more information first.
Do we have an ambassador from the elves? Or anyone besides the League and RSK really.

>>34506252
Doubtful. We're still establishing TYE as a world power that needs to be taken seriously.

>>34506252
It seems to me like the elves and the lords and them don't really care about us. Since the League and the RSK is right next door.

>>34506137
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lords see some brain drain of their merchants and mages due to the whole "my immortal overlord might go crazy and try to kill me" thing undermining stability.

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Alright, so my next post will be the last one for the night. Last round of questions until I wake up (unless the thread dies, in which case it's just the last round of questions).

>>34506137
You mean about how the elves are ruled or why is Kushan special? I'll introduce the former as you progress and the problem is that the latter invovles a whole lot of knowledge that nobody really has but may be important in the long run.

>>34506252
Not really. The Lords, Malataine and the elves don't care about you. You'll get some more interaction with the dorfs once you finish up Termina. I'll also be introducing the new factions as they splinter from the larger ones.

>>34506235
Define 'interesting'. Plus, it's only been a couple of months since the tournament when that approach was made more public.

>>34506277
The US doesn't really give a shit about, say, Venezuela, but we still have an ambassador.

>>34506367
>why is Kushan special?

This. I don't really mind if we don't learn it due to it being something important long term. but it does make me pretty curious.

>You'll get some more interaction with the dorfs once you finish up Termina.

I keep hoping we'll find a enchanter+Some useful Dwarves for building more stuff for the personal guard.

>>34506397
The US also has modern day movement capabilities and isn't in a constant war with a really badass army all the time.

>>34506367
>Define 'interesting'.
Does "nonhuman" work? Or perhaps "has magical capacity or martial might roughly equal to a four tailed fox."

>>34506397
>the US doesn't give a shit about Venezuela

Not really true. There are Americans traveling, working and living in Venezuela, the country has abundant natural resources and a government that is rather vocally opposed to the US. Of course there's a US diplomatic mission there, they can't be isolated like Cuba.

>>34506417
We also had our first ambassador in 1835

>>34506367
So I'm probably missing something, but so far has all Talon's astral training been martial? I'm kind of interested to see what he could do in terms of raw creation or simple enhancement.

>>34506397
We also live in a globalized society however. The US has an ambassador in very nearly every country because there is literally no reason not to have one.

A more apt comparison might be that Rome never had an ambassador in China despite the two nations being aware of one another.

>>34506447
>Not really true. There are Americans traveling, working and living in Venezuela
to be fair, given Vitria's status as a trade hub, Malantine and the Lords almost certainly have commercial interests in Vitria.

>>34506468
>A more apt comparison might be that Rome never had an ambassador in China despite the two nations being aware of one another.
They did though.

>>34506490
Great Qin and china almost never had much contact. The Kushans and most of the middle east made it pretty hard to get real contact. It may have happened once or twice.

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>>34506478
Most of the nations on the other side of the continent have no political interest in you. Or at least, no overt political interest. They're not going to get themselves in a lather about sending an ambassador to a new nation that might collapse the next day. Instead they'll take their time - Malataine did have an ambassador in Vitria and Darlesia (but not Taour, for obvious reasons), but they packed up when things went south. The Lords especially are a little preoccupied right now.

>>34506466
Most of Talon's training is instinctual so it's hard to expand into areas where he has no real talent. He doesn't really know how to create so it's difficult to put his thoughts and emotions into his astral power to do that. Instead he focuses mainly on improving his combat capabilities.

>>34506441
Probably the only race you don't have representation of are elves (excluding Finn) and dragons. There are dwarves in Compagnon that will be joining you shortly. The elves are insular and won't be too interested in crossing the continent. Dragons may start taking an interest in you, though. You haven't found any other than the current two in your care, though.

I'll either see you all next thread or when I wake up.

>>34506411
I'll simply say that Kushan's specialness ties into the divine/otherworldly side of things. You'll be getting a hint of what that sort of thing is in the flashback.

>>34506547
>You'll be getting a hint of what that sort of thing is in the flashback.

Now that is interesting. Been waiting for this arc for a long time so this sounds great.

>>34506547
When will the flashback be taking place exactly? I think it will be Talon's teenage years for some reason.

>>34506802
We know it will have Arisa somewhere and we know It'll involve the armored figure in his mind. I don't think it'll go all the way back to his just joining the army days though.

>>34506841
Mainly just because I"m pretty sure Arisa only really showed up when he was a general.

>>34506547
>Probably the only race you don't have representation of are elves (excluding Finn) and dragons.
I for one welcome our new Fae, Infernal and Astral Adapt subjects.

>>34506879
>Not exterminating Fae

The demons could be fun. I don't really trust sanity of the lords subjects.

>>34506879

So long as they remain lawful, productive members of the TYE, they are most welcome.

>>34509270
>Bringing in otherworldly monsters.

Kill them all I say. Other then those that are servants.

Although thinking on it. It makes a lot of sense to seriously destroy the Astral Adapts just because it would give a monopoly on Astral power to Talon and Raphael.

>>34506547

Kushan discovered CHIM. Talon is dabbling in it.

There mystery solved.

>>34510800
>CHIM

So this is the story of how Talon became Talos?

>>34510993
"In time, Talon became a king by his own hand.... but that is another story. The story of how he became the Prince of Bel Air."

>>34506908
Too late, since the only races we don't have in our empire are elves and dragons, we obviously DO have fae, infernals and Astral Adapts.

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>>34506802
It takes place when Talon was an RSK general in Blacktaffe (where Talon built a lot of his reputation by rampaging around unhindered for a while).

>>34506879
Well, Astral Adepts are a possibility. Not sure where you see yourself getting loyal Fae and Infernals.

>>34512225
>Well, Astral Adepts are a possibility. Not sure where you see yourself getting loyal Fae and Infernals.
You did say the only races we DON'T have are Elves and Dragons. Ergo, we already have some Astral Adapts, Fae and Infernals. I assumed this was a misstatement, and took the opportunity to poke fun.

>>34512225
> getting loyal Fae and Infernals

Isn't it obvious?

"Bitch do as I say here or die"

>>34512285
>getting loyal Fae and Infernals
Find female ones. Give them the D so hard that they become loyal. Easy.

>>34512225
Hey, have you got any solid idea's for Balance abilities? Because I had thought up some interesting ideas.

>>34512336
>Infernals
>Fae
>Loyal after the D.

Fae and Infernals are less loyal after the D. Because the D strengthens them.

>>34512348
It'll be like overfeeding a succubus. Totally possible.

>>34512225
Actually this reminds me. About Talon when did he first become a general? We know he was in the army at 19 or so. But at what age was he really a full on general up in the ranks?

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>>34512398
>About Talon when did he first become a general?
He started fighting for the RSK shortly after Alyce reformed the Magi League in 1944. He made general in 1947 and campaigned in Blacktaffe in late 1949. It's now the start of 1953.

>>34512344
Not really. I was just going to go back to its roots as a 'water' tree. Feel free to fire off your own ideas.

>>34512336
I have a feeling I know which side you guys will take in the long-running Infernal civil war...

>>34512508
Demons. Demons all day every day. None of this wussy devil crap.

>>34512508
You know thinking on it we really should ask Mal more on the difference between demons and devils.

>>34512508
>Not really. I was just going to go back to its roots as a 'water' tree. Feel free to fire off your own ideas.
My idea is that Life, Power and Death are all flashy things, an action over in a short time. Balance is more subtle. The Archangels create their kin, and Lord ember tranform men in a single action, creating something new. With Balance, A Knight, talented but still human, meets an would be Emperor. Years later, his talent has grown quickly, and farther than he really should have been capable of but he is still human. A fox, lounging in a monastery, meets with a man who claims to be a ruler. One day, he wakes up and thinks "How did I get this tail already?" A noble sorceress walks into a recently captured fortress...

Basically, rather than creating an impressive weapon, or transforming someone into something they aren't, Balance allows Talon's followers (both with names and generic knights he gives a push to) to reach their potential much more quickly (but still slow enough that its probably only obvious in retrospect) and even step a bit beyond what they would otherwise be capable of. Obviously, this basically wouldn't work on someone equal to or more powerful than Talon.

>>34512803
Isn't that pretty much the power domain but subtle?

>>34512943
Its merging the unnatural (a power boost) with the natural (the persons abilities). Which incidentally, gives it ridiculous versatility. Also, easy references to that reflection scene from Lion King.

>>34512943
From what I understand, the Power domain allows us to extend our power to others. In this case, Balance would use our power to give others a push, but the result would be to increase their own power.

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>>34512803
I'll give that idea some thought.

>>34512573
Well, the civil war isn't necessarily between demons and devils.

>>34513610
>I'll give that idea some thought.
I support the idea, because that means there is a direct correlation between having your fluffy tails rubbed by talon, and how many tails you end up getting.

>>34513610
Though I can't see Talon getting involved in this unless it started a battle around his empire. Although I do wonder why the infernals aren't doing pretty well against the angels. Considering there is only one angel around and a lot more infernals.

>>34513848
Because they don't want to mess with the magic Barrier. Nobody fucks with the Barrier, because everyone will drop what they are doing and murder whichever idiot did the messing.

>>34513888
Infernals aren't native to the plane.

>>34513943
Which helps them when the Mage Guard, RSK, Malantine, Magi League, elves, dwarfs and Lords dogpile them how? They'll still bleed and die.

>>34514007
How are they going to get to their plane though?

>>34514040
The Archangels might tell them, or the Lords might know. And who knows what The Mage Guard has hidden away in its libraries? Most infernals aren't willing to take the No 1 spot on everyone's shitlist just to kill one dude who's stuck in a city the entire time anyway.

>>34514129
Problem there is everyone would be dead by that point. Though this is just conjecture since we really know jack shit about the infernals. Other then they lack astral and they are seperated into demons and devils and they make deals.

So questions about templates. The way they've been portrayed is that not all templates are created equal, i.e. the Taouran HMK < RSK HMK. So does that mean if we were to get a template of the RSK HMK it would be innately better then our current template? ort of like tiers of templates?

>>34514304
I've been thinking of it kind of like a magical version of a reusable forging cast. Put specific materials in, get finished (or nearly finished) product out.

So hypothetically you'd get a foundry, get some molten steel going, pour it into the 'template' mold, and that simultaneously casts and enchants the thing. Then you pull the pieces out, assemble them, charge the enchantments, make sure they work well, disassemble and buff/polish, add whatever else it needs, then ship.

Or something to that effect anyway.

>>34512803
>"You will have my strength. You serve me and in turn, I serve you. As a leader, I serve each of my men and women as they serve me. In battle. In leadership. In a future. Do you not agree, Sarah?"
Imperator Talon York, Thread 4

Apparently we meant it literally.

>>34514607
This is honestly why I fell in love with the power domain when we first used it. It's god king like to give power to others.

>>34514662
I personally find the idea that we have the ability to help a person can reach their potential, and surpass it through service to us more interesting. That's what we've been doing this entire time after all. Plus don't forget the sentence right before that one.

>"You may be in my shadow, but I believe you will cast some light of your own when the time comes."
Doesn't really work if we lend her the lightbulb.

>>34514734
It's not like how the power increase works matters it's what they do with it that matters and how they render services to the empire. Going beyond the limit due to pure power feels more Talon to me then just granting someone more potential.

>>34514831
>Going beyond the limit due to pure power feels more Talon to me then just granting someone more potential.
Really? He's done the whole "serve my ambitions to fulfill yours." Mal, Fin, Sarah Karise, Fenix. He's been very "you've got to do this yourself, I won't just hand you the answers" to them as well, especially Fin and Sarah.

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>>34514304
A template is somewhere between a cast and an instruction set. It basically tells the factory how to create and enchant whatever it needs to. So for an MK set, it would tell it how to create the steel in the right shape, how to enchant the required enchantments etc.

As the amount of power you can enchant into an item depends on the power and talent of the enchanter, so too does the power of the magitech enchantments depend on the quality of the magitech factories and templates. The former requires designing and building better factories; the latter requires designing templates in such a way that the enchantments can achieve the desired effect but use less 'space' (complexity, really).

I think of templates a bit like programming code - to accomplish a specific task you need either a better computer (factory) or more efficient code (template). Sometimes you need both. In the case of the RSK and League templates, they've been able to do more research and improve their templates beyond the baseline.

>>34514887
He isn't handing the answers though and either way he is increasing their powers above what it would be naturally when he needs too.

The diffrence mentally to me is one gives me the feeling of

"Look at me and despair my friends each though hard work have became powerful but though my power they have transcended above their natural state."

While the other one kind of gives me "The power of friendship grants them strength to reach their potential." I can see it but it doesn't' feel right to me.

>>34514966
>While the other one kind of gives me "The power of friendship grants them strength to reach their potential." I can see it but it doesn't' feel right to me.
Actually, it would initially be more "Where the hell does Talon find these guys?" Since it would probably take literally years for people to figure out why the Order of the Griffon can go toe to toe with God-knights despite being normal humans. With the answer being "they're just that good."

>>34514957

With that in mind would it be fair to say that pouring funds into creating a more efficient Factory as opposed to creating more Factories with those same fund in the long run would increase our production and lower costs?

Actually are we going to get Factory research trees? That'd be fun.

>>34514966
I think it's because to me Talon works via using his skills at rulership and charisma to wrap you up in his dreams. Then he uses that environment to ask you to excel and reach your best for his empire and though that for you.

In other words in the end it's centralized the power comes from him even if he wants you to become stronger or do what you need to do. So to me him loaning out power when his subjects need it feels right. It's your choices and how hard you work to gain what you do that matters. They are the ones that build his desires. He lends them strength and they lend him their will and desires and stand up and use what they can to help.

That's how I've always viewed how he rules anyway.

>>34515045
Yeah. While I kind of want it to be them naturally getting strong enough to fight god nights. Then God Talon shows up and his power goes forth and then they start kicking their asses because the spirit of Talon is within them and he wants them to kick ass for their king.

>>34515045
I'm in favor of having this type if effect simply to stack it with the dungeon raid strategy, though it feels like that idea was abandoned.

>>34515183
I would prefer not to build a system that depends absolutely on Talon alone. The Lords did that, and look how badly it fucked over their people.

>>34515183
>Yeah. While I kind of want it to be them naturally getting strong enough to fight god nights.
That basically isn't going to happen for significant numbers of people. Not for unmodified humans anyway

>>34515252
Yeah I"m not saying like mind screwing or anything. More Talon has always felt to me as the type that uses his powers to protect and guide. But then lends his system to you when you need it causing people to play off his strengths and him to play off of theirs.

In the end though I think the system is built for Talon to be the lynchpin. All the power is from him but everyone else also controls a part so if he does die the system keep working because he gave them self direction.

>>34515316
Well yeah. But Talon typically doesn't mean the random peasant or noble when he talks about this. Their roles are to support those the warriors that can fight and win and in exchange are protected by his empire and him.

In other words when Talon matures into his powers I kind of view it as he smites the problems he feels is necessary while guiding the people into their potential and then using his powers to help boost his warriors higher. While they enthralled by his charisma naturally reach their peak.

Everyone has a role based on their merit and the system keeps on running so long as people have self direction.

>>34514957
I do find it most interesting that the RSK beats out the magi league in factory power. With so many mages there I was expecting the RSK to mainly do so well though economic muscle.

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>>34515714
The RSK is more able to pump lots of money and resources into research even if it has less mages. The League basically got a bit complacent and were relying on their magical power to keep them going whereas the RSK (under Fenix) rushed to develop countermeasures to mages and the League tactics (LMKs are glass cannons capable of moving quickly and ripping through other mage-knights; HMKs are able to stand up pretty well to magical assaults).

>>34515053
There is a factory research tree. The main difficulty is that its faster to build new factories rather than improve the design of them.

>>34516222
Time for some powerlevels. Because powerlevels never get old.

Could Finn fight the average God knight? Also How strong is Samael compared to Raphael?
How soon before Talon cracks Mal's sanity?

>>34516222
What would have happened if Alyce had critfailed her composure roll?

>>34516222
We get FR points when we do something that we consider a serious challenge that affirms our view of reality right? Would bedding a difficult target like Alyce or Merce, or both, count?

I'm pretty sure Talon's worldview includes the belief that he's basically irresistible to women.

>>34516859
>Mercenie
>"Don't m-misunderstand Talon. It's not like I wanted to sleep with you or anything."

>>34516584
She would have zapped us then run away.

>>34517536
>Archmage zaping
>There went half of Ahm.

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>>34516859
Yes

>>34516584
She would've been much more flustered and said a few things she would not have liked to say.

>>34516390
>Could Finn fight the average God knight?
He would be at a severe disadvantage and even his regeneration might not save him.

>Also How strong is Samael compared to Raphael?
Different specialities so you can't really compare them. Samael is more of a caster and Raphael a bruiser. Both are stupidly powerful.

>How soon before Talon cracks Mal's sanity?
Mal's got a good grip on his sanity.

>>34518444
I find that highly amusing.

>>34518444
>Both are stupidly powerful.

Time for the brawl of the century. Get all three lords and the two archangels and Lairos to fight. Watch everything die in a ten mile radius.

Winner gets to cuddle up against Talon for one night.

Although to be serious since you're bunching up lady Aladria into the flashback arc isn't there a risk that the arc may go on a little longer? Seems like the flash back thread is going to be fairly short as things go.

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>>34518798
>Although to be serious since you're bunching up lady Aladria into the flashback arc isn't there a risk that the arc may go on a little longer?
The thread itself might run a bit long but I'm hoping it doesn't blow out much. The flashback is really just three and a half scenes (the half is the introduction part) and Aladria only really ties into the set-up and exit. I'll probably be ending the session with the end of the flashback (which will be suitably dramatic).

And for those interested, the standard god-knight char sheet. Gnome's fought them all so she can give you a decent idea of their capabilities.

Name: God-Knight
Class: God-Knight (Steel)
Title: God-Knight of the Lord of Steel
Magic Type: Astral
>Air and Ember GKs have <3 strength instead of <4
Equipment: Elaborate enchanted Steel God-Knight plate (non-magical attacks with <4 strength cannot harm the wearer); enchanted greatsword and tower-kite shield.

STATS

Strength [5]
Endurance [5]
Speed [5]
Intelligence [3]
Magic [5]
Resistance [5]
Charisma [1]

SKILLS

Weaponry II - great proficiency in a large variety of weapons.
Martial Arts I – proficiency in a variety of martial arts and in combining them.
Battlefield Basics II – great proficiency in all general battlefield skills (dodging, blocking etc).
Astral Power (God-Knight) I – ability to use the simple astral powers available to god-knights. Much of the astral power of a god-knight is imbued into his body but they do have some special skills available.

ABILITIES

Empower Self I - you use magic to increase your physical attributes by one point for six hours.

>Note that each type of GK has a different 2nd ability.
>continued

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>>34519003
>Steel
Iron Body I – you make yourself immune to pain and gain enhanced regeneration. Even in situations where you should collapse or suffer from grievous wounds, you do not fall or suffer. It constantly uses magical power and if deactivated when you have severe wounds you may collapse or die.

>Air
Astral Projection I – you may project raw magical energy up to melee distance of minor strength. This projected energy may be used as a barrier, to deflect magical attacks or to propel oneself a moderate distance at high speed.

>Ember
Wondrous Body I – you give yourself the ability to regenerate grievous physical wounds at a very rapid rate by connecting your body directly to your astral power flow. Non-fatal injuries can be healed within a minute or two but you have difficulty healing magical injuries and near-fatal injuries. The initial connection drains stamina and all healing drains sorcerous power – the ability will last for one hour without initiating a new connection.

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Pose for the camera. You're on Sup/tg/!

>>34519003
I'm willing to bet that bringing the most powerful spiritualist on the planet into Aladria's study is probably going to make the conversation much easier from our perspective.

>>34519003
That's honestly a lot weaker then I was expecting. But then I realized there is a lot more of them then our hero units.

>>34519324
Don't forget that this a grunt God-Knight. There undoubtedly dozens of knights at Talon's current level.

>>34519159
Honestly with Gnome and them it wasn't really going to be that hard to start with.

>>34519357
I honestly doubt there is too many at full on Talons level. Mainly just because Talon has better astral and can take pretty well with Iron body I.

Great Knight Garynth is going to be amazingly fun to fight I bet and by amazing I mean we are going to eat dirt a couple of times.

>>34519028
Although I have been wondering something speaking of great knight Garynth. We know him and Gnome fought each other to a draw and we also know God knights have astral.

This makes me wonder how Full powered Gnome compares to Saareg.

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>>34519135
wat

>>34519324
There's thousands of god-knights, so yeah.

>>34519456
It basically goes: God-knights, elite god-knights (who basically act as a personal guard for each Great Knight and have their own special abilities), Great Knight Candidates; Great Knights. The Great Knights typically have their own complete bullshit abilities (Gnome tells you that she knows the Ember's Great Knight Yarrois has super-regeneration, for instance).

>>34519711
Saareg's hidden ability would let him defeat Gnome's Flow Manipulation so he'd probably win. If he doesn't activate that then she could probably beat him, unlike Taira.

>>34504509
>Talon's just dangerous in general, with a lot of staying power and strength. He lacks really good crowd control in melee, however. Whether you continue taking him down the Saareg path or shift him somewhere else once you get his actual powers will be interesting.
I think the Saareg path is best here. Talon has many followers that can wreck entire armies. As fun and hilariously awesome as it is to single handedly wreck and army. The ability to just scythe through to the enemy leader, kill him, and then retreat behind your own lines is just too valuable to pass up on. As is the ability to actually stand up to and defeat a monstrously strong opponent.
So, I would prefer talon to remain focused on "Hero slayer" instead of "army slayer" or balanced between the two. (that is, in terms of his combat ability. naturally "army leader" is something we should develop as well)

>>34505007
>This makes me think Level 4 astral would be nightmarish to fight. Considering Kushan was nightmarish just with sorcery.
You know, I was saying that I want to go the saareg path. But actually this sounds cooler.
>Neglect our martial powers to become an astral spellsword
>Get Astral IV (fire) remember that in astral, fire is symbolic. not literal fire
>Buff entire armies
Not as good in melee and saareg and the like could break through to us and kill us. But can you imagine how high we could buff and support our armies with that?

>>34505293
>I'm still half-convinced that Talon's deal is that some dying Astral entity (best guess would be an Angel that managed to stick around after the Sources were sealed) put their own soul into Talon to preserve it, like some kind of symbiotic not-dead pseudo-Revenant. Halfway between Blackwater's not!phylactery deal and the creation of a genuine Revenant, I suppose.
Oh hey, that is what I suggested too some threads ago. :)

>>34505293
>the Sources were sealed
The only source we found so far was never sealed.
The angels killed its previous owner by tossing a mountain at it (which buried it underground), but didn't seal it in any way.
it stands to reason they did the same with the other sources.

>>34505293
hey, I didn't make the connection before.
but
>A very primitive part of your mind recognises this taint for what it is…
>Infernal magic. Devilry.
So, infernal magic is taint? this reminds me that talon's instinct said that foxes are proof that even corruptors can be redeemed and that taira is the only fox that knows the origin of foxes but refuses to reveal it to anyone else. And that she specified they are created beings.
What if foxes were originally created by devils?

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>>34521134
The Source under Harrowmont was buried under rock well before the Barrier was erected and the other Sources were supposedly sealed. Just to set the timeline straight.

>>34505343
Magitech factory made farming equipment?

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So as architectanon hasn't shown up, I figured I'd post the latest version of the Harrowmont map he's worked on.

Red zones mark stone courtyards and roads. The green is the platform wall. The aqua are clearways (from the walls). White are the walls themselves and gatehouses (squares) plus the keep itself. Brown represents the natural cliff lines.

The main addition is basically the keep (with a set of stairs), the proposed yellow garden areas and the reflection pool (big blue area in front of the keep). To give an idea of scale, the keep is 100m wide and 150m deep IIRC.

Some seriously awesome work from the architectanon.

>>34521262
Already kind of exists. More advanced stuff isn't really economically viable currently or possible with the current factories/magic.

>>34512508
>>Balance
>Not really. I was just going to go back to its roots as a 'water' tree. Feel free to fire off your own ideas.

That seems to be the most popular choice right now. Which is funny since we also have undine as our champion. So we have a theme going on of water champion and water astral.

>>34521419
>Some seriously awesome work from the architectanon.
Agreed. Wish we'd have had him for a couple of other quests in the past, this is great stuff.

Now if only we could get some more drawfags to do some character art for us...whatever happened to the one Anon doing a picture of Gnome?

>>34519159
The fact she refuses to leave, people disintegrating when they touch the door...
remember how faes can have a domain? in which they alter the laws of reality?
when the angels took out the source we have they threw a mountain form the OUTSIDE rather then daring to enter it. I am worried that her mansion is basically a demesne where she gets ridiculous advantage

>>34521419
>Already kind of exists. More advanced stuff isn't really economically viable currently or possible with the current factories/magic.
sounds like something we could pour in a lot of government research money into

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>>34500053
I was going to complain that you did something wrong. then I realized I just found a bug in gdocs
I will see if I can find somewhere to report said bug

>>34521419
Aspir, during the war with taour they did scorched earth on their farmers.
And then we raided their own farmlands.

Did our reconstruction investment only apply to city damages, or did we also help the farmers?

>>34500128
>Of course, if the additional military lets you maintain order and keep expanding then you’ll find yourself flooded with money.
This is not accurate. I dug through the spreadsheet. The way it works is

Agri Tax income = Max Agri Tax income * Control/4
Trade Tax income = Max Trade Tax income * Control/4

The maxes also have nothing to do with order. In fact, on careful examination order does literally NOTHING AT ALL. It is simply not used in any calculations. Only control affects it, and its effect is quite massive (control 4 is 4x more money than control 1, control 0 is no money at all)

>>34523760
Another note. while some other nations have provinces with mismatch, at the moment order and control are identical in all of our provinces. which means that the figures are correct even if the calculation is wrong

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>>34523760
Um, that was the general use of the word 'order' as in 'law and order'. Talon doesn't think in quest mechanics.

And yes, you're right that Control is stupidly useful. Order is going to be the primary influence for economic and population growth.

>>34523811
That's because I never populated the Order column properly. I just duplicated the Control column and changed the heading.

>>34523272
You can assume that the farms are being reconstructed.

>>34523873
I see, thanks for explaining.

>>34518798
>ten mile radius
I think you greatly underestimate the powers being mentioned.

>>34521419

I think I made the keep 150m x 200m actually. But still, pretty good chunk of real estate.

I'm probably going to start the star-fort proposal this week with the canal in place as well. I'll draft up a couple different things and see what people like. I also plan on making a contour map at some point but not until I'm back home, so probably later September. Another plan is to do a floor plan for the Keep. Which will be ridiculously huge. Not sure how to tackle that yet.

>>34521551
>whatever happened to the one Anon doing a picture of Gnome?

I got laid off at work :|

...so I have more time to actually draw now I guess.

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>>34525963
That sucks. Hope the job search goes well.

>>34524852
Good to hear. Maybe I can actually get you that MS paint map of the keep, though it might not be that helpful. I think I already gave you a rough idea of the layout I had in plan and the sheer size of it means there would be tons of rooms.

>>34520787
I kind of feel he should get some army wiping powers. but he shouldn't focus on it.

>>34520787
I personally prioritise leading ability. Especially the ability to lead and keep loyalty of strong people, more than the ability to lead armies. We have a lot of powerful commanders and rulers, and we will be needing and gaining a lot more along the way. The most important thing is that we keep them loyal and in line.

After that comes the ability to fight strong enemies, since we like to step in and personally fight when troublesome enemies show up.

We can, and in a lot of cases choose to, leave leading armies and destroying armies to our capable commanders anyways. So having those commanders loyally serving us we do not need to be that good at leading or fighting against armies.

>>34521014
Just going to say I would honestly prefer something like.

Power/life as his prime and secondary domains. Kind of "Take the unnatural that follows me and turn it natural. Destroy that that doesn't. Refine the natural beings."

Powerwise it would give him high personal power and massive might+The power to create things. So he could crush mortal armies by creating say a firestorm. But he could also use his raw power one on one and crush powerful foes.

>>34528124
I kind of feel the problem there is it dilutes his power too much. He can already lead so there really isn't a reason to focus too much on that. I kind of feel that is more of a personality then a power thing.