>>35715510
Hey OP, can you please answer if regular teaching raises Int?

With all of our schooling, I haven't seen any bonuses to it, but some people seem to think that there is a tangible effect to the actual stats.

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>>35715510

"Stella, what do you want me to do?"
"Can you make me smarter?"
"Studying will make you smarter"
"I don't get it! I want to be big and smart, like Zoe!"
"Zoe isin't..." ~wait, saying that she's not smarter because she's bigger... would that be a lie?

"If you work hard, you will understand at your own pace.Then when you are her size, you will be even smarter" ~Eldric says condifently
"Really?"
"Yes."
"really really?"
"I promise. It's alright if you don't understand everything now. You can keep trying."
"You are just saying that to make me feel better" ~she says from under the bed, as she hides

Eldric reaches in under the bed and catches her hand.

"I promise, I am not lying"
"I want to be bigger, I want to be smarter"
"Please come out? I promise I will help you."
"Alright..."

1/?

>>35715728
regular teaching raises Int?
yes. I have given us a +10 int and wis for our 1 year of school, and several spell tricks over what we should have with just our Elemental skill

>>35715795
>yes. I have given us a +10 int and wis for our 1 year of school
So it's +10 Int over a year for schooling, vs +10 in a day. There's no advantage to holding off on using levels to get the Int, then.

>>35715905
So you'd rather take the easy way out over putting actual effort into it? Disgraceful.

can we get over this bullshit of level her up or not
let just wait till the vote comes up for ii till then lets all shut the hell up

>>35716043
Nah, get fucked.

>>35715975
>So you'd rather take the easy way out over putting actual effort into it? Disgraceful.
It doesn't work that way. If she went to school now, she'd get her schooling bonus and age bonus every year.

If she got all her age bonuses at once and then started schooling, her higher intelligence would let her better learn retain what she studied.

There are advantages to letting her have a longer childhood. Speed of learning and stat bonuses aren't among them.

>>35715975
That's like saying that having good textbooks and reference materials is too easy, and that students should take the old, hard route of slate and chalk because harder is better.

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>>35715795

"Listen, Stella. When I met you, you were half my height, remember?"
"Yees?"
"I made you grow. I didin't knew, at the time, what I was doing" ~Eldric gets her to sit with him so he can hug her softly from behind~ "I feel terrible about that. I think I took something important from you, doing that"
"You haven't..."
"No, I think I did. I want you to grow at your own pace. I want you to be as happy as you can be. Right now, you may think growing up will make you happy, but nothing says it will."
"But i'm dumb while i'm small!"
"No, you are not dumb. I promise"
"You promise?"
"Yes, I promise."
"You are not lying?"
"I am not lying. When Brass comes back, we can ask him if it would be good for you. I don't know about how it is for beastmen. Maybe it is normal, maybe it isin't. But I don't know. If it turns out that seeing you grow as big as Zoe is what your parents would want, I'll help you. But not before, alright?"
"Really really?"
"Yes, really"

Well, we talked with her a bit more grown-up like that we would have liked to, but she seems to be happy with it.

"Can we ask another beastman?"
"Sure?"
"There's lots of maids who are beastmen. We can ask them?"
"...I guess?"
"Alright"

As it turns out, pretty much all the beastgirls in the castle were age-rushed by slavers, and they simply do not know.

Asking Okaba is... surprisingly unhelpful. Some tribes value efficiency over everything else, while others prefer to let their children age at their own pace. In some, it is normal to see mothers that are just a couple of years old, while in some the 5/10/15 years milestones are sacred.

1/?

>>35715905
The missing piece of the puzzle here is what beastman culture is actually like. Given the whole grow with levels thing and the other factors it is possible that they don't put much stock in childhood.

It's an alien factor, and one we don't have knowledge about. It's a glaring hole in the equation.

>>35716095
If that's the case than yeah, best leave her as is.

>>35716095
It doesn't work that way either. Age comes with xp.

>>35716157
Somehow he has confused you into thinking what he proposed is not the easy way. In fact, hes pulling >>35715905
>vs.+10 in a day
out of his ass

>>35716123
ohhh thank god we are letting her parents decide

>>35716157
>If that's the case than yeah, best leave her as is.
That's the opposite of what I said.

leaving her as she is isn't somehow better for her schooling. There are arguements to leave her as she is, but schooling isn't one of them, since she would benefit from having more intelligence when she started.

>>35716181
>It doesn't work that way either. Age comes with xp.
...yes, and as she gains xp she'll get stat bonuses. That she's growing up when she's gaining xp doesn't change the arguement that she would benefit from having higher intelligence during her schooling.

So, the idea that leaving her as she is would have a superior result for learning is false.

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Alright ive been neutral on this for a long while but you guys are arguing too much so im gonna step in, sorry if I step on any feels

>>35716095
>There are advantages to letting her have a longer childhood. Speed of learning and stat bonuses aren't among them.

This, pretty much.
To some tribes, aging and growing quickly is a normal part of their lives, while for others it is not.

What we have to decide, honestly, is, do we want her to have a longer childhood, or we want her to have a longer "youth period"? childhood is a wonderful period. You discover the world with awe in your eyes, and your loved ones take care of your every need.

But that's not really her case, is it? she's alone, except for us, and we can't take care of her every need. If she goes to an orphanage later, that won't change.

Personally, I think she would be happier to grow now, and then discover the world with friends (thats us) than to be a lost child alone in the middle of places and peoples she doesnt know, for 1/2 a decade longer.

Childhood is wonderful, and we all wish we had more of it, but why is it wonderful? because of our families. She doesnt has that.

If I was writing her story, instead of running a QT, I would have her grow.

I think that's the best choice, but that's me.
Do you want her to remain a child? because if you do, I think you have a responsibility to take care of her as she grows up. We should try and get dad to adopt her, we should take her into our house, much like we did with Lyann. We should give her that loving environment where she can truly enjoy her childhood. What remains of it, anyway

If you dont want to give her that sort of dedication, I think it would be CRUEL to keep her as she is.

So, and this is the last time Im going to call for this vote
*Help her grow
*Adopt her and help her keep her childhood
*Other

>>35716321
>*Help her grow

>>35716218
+10 Int in a day is very easy to do when leveling Wizard, especially from level 1 to 3.
Wizards get +5 Int per level, and we just gained multiple levels in a single dungeon dive that didn't even take an entire day.

So really, you don't know anything about the system.

>>35716297
The problem is that she isn't learning FAST enough. She'll always be behind even of she starts learning at the same rate.

>So, the idea that leaving her as she is would have a superior result for learning is false.

Nobody is saying make her stop, we mean to level her up (gain int) which has the effect of increasing her physical age to 15.

>>35716321
>*Adopt her and help her keep her childhood

You're repeatedly ignored votes in the past you disagreed with, so I'm sure you'll ignore this vote as well.

>>35716321
>*Help her grow
If we're letting her stay a child then we might as well stick her in the orphanage or keep her home, because we won't be taking a child questing with us.

>>35716321
>*Help her grow
>>35716365

>>35716321
>*Help her grow

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>35716321
Shit I can't tell which is the best option. Ergo, I shall let the great dice gods decide her fate!
1.Help Her Grow
2.Adopt Her

>>35716321
>If you dont want to give her that sort of dedication, I think it would be CRUEL to keep her as she is.
I absolutely agree...
but has anyone actually implied that we don't want to give her this sort of dedication?

>>35716365
You've repeatedly ignored anything of value you don't want to, so please explain yourself
>>35716321
*Help her grow

>>35716321
*Other
let her parents decide

>>35716321
Why is this suddenly all on us? Brass and her parents have no say or responsibility in the matter?

Brass, at least, expects to come back in a few months.

>>35716409
Wait, wolfbro is looking for *her* parents? Shit, I guess we'll just have to wait for news of them then. Don't want them pissed off if they're still around.

>>35716360
>The problem is that she isn't learning FAST enough. She'll always be behind even of she starts learning at the same rate.


zoe is going to start leveling off when her mental age matches her physical age.

If stella is leveled to 15 then she'll start accelerating to the same mental age.

By the time they're learning at the same speed, zoe will only have an educational headstart of a few days.

>>35716409
they are missing

>>35716403
If/When Brass comes back with her parents, would we just hand her back over to her biological parents?

>>35716321
*Help her grow

>>35716448
brass is looking for them

>>35716321
Whhy are we having this vote? I thought we already told her we'd have her parents decide?

>>35716444
>>35716409
Stella's parents are missing, and Brass is looking for them.
But we don't know if he'll find them, or when.

>>35716441
brass has no idea where they are, not a clue where to find the, has only taken care of her for a short time, and has suggested we accelerate her growth.

>>35716454
There is no reason that she can't have both as an extended family

>>35716471
Because King does this when he gets vote results he doesn't like.

>>35716444
He has explicitly stated that he has NO IDEA where they could be.
He looked all over this town.
And is taking a few months to look over some towns in the south as well as leave messeges in case they come back.
He is literally shooting in the dark here and the chance of him finding them are slim.

Can we just put a hold on this vote and come back t it later when people have cooler heads and arent fighting back and forth over it?

>>35716487
>has suggested we accelerate her growth
lol no

He went south to find them and specifically told us he'd meet back at albion in a few months regardless of success.

This isn't our decision, nor should it be.

>>35716481
do you think brass wont find them he is a wolf he can track

>>35716515
No, we seem to have come to consensus

>>35716523
He may find them but that doesn't mean they'll both be alive.

>>35716533
Yes, that's what I see from this. Consensus. Obviously.

>>35716542
this quest is not that dark

>>35716547
If you look at the actual votes...

>>35716576
I gave up on votes. They don't seem to matter.

>>35716547
yup. Now it's decided. I have to say, I didn't think the number of adopt & childhood was so small.

>>35716487
this is all true

>>35716492
I dont like ties or vote results with just 1 for one side or the other, specially when its obvious both sides care a lot about it. If it was "have coke or pepsi" i wouldnt care and would have just gone with the "grow her" option that kept having 1 more vote, but its not as easy as that

>>35716336
>>35716370
>>35716394
>>35716405
>>35716457
>*Help her grow+++++

>>35716365 those votes were usually 4v4 or 4v5, and honestly, for me 4v5 or 4v3 may as well be a tie. What kind of democracy is it when 301 can boss around 300? if it was a CLEAR advantage for one side or the other, I would follow it
>>35716400
>>*Adopt her++

>>35716409
her parents are MIA, tho

Alright, 5v2, I can tell its a clear advantage for one side. Did I miss any votes?

I'd much rather leave this important decision to Brass/her parents.You know, her actual family?

>>35716611
There's still a lot of firm opposition to just growing her right here and now.

>>35716611
This one
>>35716385

>>35716611
true her parents are missing but its a few months to find out

>>35716612
Nope!

We are eldric, destroyer of childhoods and raper of beastgirls. Also a hypocrite.

>>35716646
We did none of those. Please leave.

>>35716646
How are we a hypocrite?

>>35716611
And now we become the breeding pits. Good call.

>>35716321
>*Adopt her and help her keep her childhood

>>35716675
And now you cannot read. Bad boy.

>>35716646
Hey we haven't raped anything. The only really bad thing we've done is not tell everyone our true mental age for the sake of Hot Elf baths. And even that isn't that bad. We didn't even cop a feel! Though we did stroke elf ears. Still not a bad thing.

>>35716611
You're ignoring all the people talking about waiting for brass to come back before making any decisions.

But go ahead and do your thing. You obviously want to.

>>35716706
Well unless there are seven nonexistent people who have not said anything, it DOESN'T MATTER

>>35716637
Alright, so its 6x2 then?

*sigh* Now I feel sort of awful for .... eh, I think I have a good idea.

Lets do this. We raise her WIZARD job 2 levels. That should give her a fair chunk of extra int, without pushing her class level up, this without aging her

Or we could switch her to nomad for a bit, and raise her 4-5 levels of wizard + nomad.

Again, that doesnt push her CLASS level higher than 9, so she doesnt ages, and when Brass comes back, we ask him and/or her parents for the best option.

I think everyone would be happy this way? we give her more int by rising her job a little, but not her class, thus she gets +10 int without aging.

Typing

>>35716743
You are the one forcing this, so it's really all on you how you want to proceed.

>>35716743
I want her to age though.

>>35716743
thank for ending this bullshit augment

>>35716706
You mean "all the people" who talk but don't vote for that option?

>>35716675
That is gross hyperbole.

>>35716743
Ah, a loophole in the experience system. Good one, this way everyone can be happy.

>>35716743
>I think everyone would be happy this way?
I don't think will get rid of her sister envy, though.

zoe will still be bigger and stronger.

>>35716759
No he isn't. Shut the fuck up troll.

>>35716743
>>35716763
I want her to age too. 6 vs 2 isn't even close. And those two are disrespectful

>>35716763
Then theres this guy.

>>35716781
she wants to be smarter

>>35716743
We voted for age. I want age.

>>35716743
Sounds good. Plus that way she can make a more informed decision about her own body if she really wants to speed age herself.

>>35716781

We push her nomad to level 9, that also lets her get smarter and stronger, without raising her level at all. It would raise her effective intelligence to like that of a 13-15 year old and then she can go.

I say when we return home, we enroll them both in the university so they socialize with more people.

>>35716743
Nope, no time for bad feelings. Age was a clear winner, even by your standards. Write us force aging her.

>>35716743
jesus christ. 6x2. and theres debate??? just age her

>>35716743
I just don't want to do anything drastic before getting somebody who actually knows this stuff. Like Brass.

>>35716867
You are in the minority. Leave.

>>35716743
You admitted it wasn't even close yourself. But you're treating it as such?

>>35716801
>she wants to be smarter
She wants to match her sister.

She said as much. she wants to be smart and strong like zoe.

>>35716867
We already consulted people.

it like 6x5

>>35716836
>>35716853

I am for aging her, however I think slowing it up by getting her some levels in nomad and wizard and then make a decision after she has enjoyed life a bit. 2 more months won't make much of a difference.

>>35716867


Once we return to the university, I think we can make a more informed decision too. She will be smarter and more comfortable/confident with herself so she may end up making the decision for us.

>>35716880
Yeah, other slaves. TThey clearly know how this all works. Oh wait, they don't.

>>35716889
There was a vote, your viewpoint lost. Deal with it.

>>35716883
It not. he count. you don't?

>>35716743
>I think everyone would be happy this way?
No. Get her up to zoe's age.

>>35716879
But I like sibling rivalry.

>>35716889
This.

>>35716907
Well excuse us for wanting to be calm and rational about a very serious decision. Now I understand if this sort of thing is your fetish but man you are getting way to worked up over it all.

ya know if you dont like this quest you could just leave and not return

>>35716743
I would be happy with it if it get's us past this shit. I swear we've had this fight over somthing ellse before.

>>35716955
I don't dislike the quest. I dislike you. Because you're a fucking retard.

>>35716980
Probably the idea of slavery?

>>35716889 (You)

Sorry, I missed the vote, I would have voted aging as that is what she wanted. I am not too invested either way however and I think long term she will be aged up simply by her own choice, even if it means sneaking into the university dungeon with a group to do so. She will not want to be left behind.

This way she will however be more comfortable in her own body and we won't have to hold her hand so much. Going from a smart 8/9 year old to 15 is not as bad as going from a 1 year old to 15 year old and having to be taught everything.

>>35716980
Telling okaba about scion and the ring.

Wow, that sure turned out horrible for us, huh?

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>>35716989
>>35716907
>>35716875

>>35716980
nope it just this moment everyone is conflicted on what to do
usually agrees on what to do

>>35717035
No we don't.

The problem is the 6v2, there shouldn't even be a QUESTION. Yet he stalls.

>>35716877
This is what im going to do, and im telling you in advance. Im going to raise her job levels for now to make her smarter and stronger. When Brass and/or her parents show up, they are going to let her age.

>>35716781
give her 2 levels of barbarian too, then :P

Anyway...

***
We go into the dungeon upper floors on our own. Just to floor 5.

We switched Stella to Wizard, and then from slave -> Nomad. Killing just two groups of mobs raises her Wizard level to 2. Then we switch her to Barbarian, and do the same once more. This gives her a fair bonus to her physical and mental abilities.

"This should be enough..." ~we leave the dungeon, and pick her and Lyann up.

Her stats are a fair bit higher than Zoe's now, even if her class level is lower.

Yes, this should help her a lot. She seems to be happy about it, too.

Now, classes go much smoother. Stella was an alright child, and now she's quite bright.

Zoe sighs a little. She's mentally aged into her early teens by now.

She doesn't wants us bathing her any more.

It feels a little sad. It's the right thing, but... it feels like our daugther just told us she doesnt likes us any more.

Well, at least we are still waking up to her hugs.

A week later, dad and mom arrive into the city.

We explain Zoe and Stella to them. Mom sighs, and Dad sits/crouches to look at us.

2/?

>>35716989
and your base this on what

>>35717071
>your
I rest my case.

>>35717060
All this back and forth should clearly show you that the vote doesn't show much.

>>35717103
dose it bother you that mistyping can happen

>>35717131
No, but it reinforces the point that you are a mouthbreathing knuckledragger.

>>35717131
Apparantly it makes him think he's won the arrgument.

>>35717144
are you mad bro

>>35717218
no, umad bro.

>>35717115
not if we all know those two are trolls. The debate is here just to inform QM that we haven't given up all hope yet

>>35717232
how bout we let her parents handle this he did state the will come back and age her

next time tho we fucken pass the buck

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>>35717070

"Son... you can't rescue everyone" ~says dad
"Does... does that mean you won't accept them?"
"I think we'll have to buy a bigger house" ~he says with a smile as he places a hand on Eldric's shoulder~ "But I'm drawing a line here. Lyann, Stella, Zoe, and maybe two or three more girls, but only if they're extra cute" ~he says and winks an eye at us

We hug him. Mom sighs, but smiles, and gestures Stella and Zoe over to hug them to her chest.

"Now, how long have you been taking care of them?"~Dad
"A week and some days"
"Alright. Your mom and I had planned a second honeymoon, remember? so can you keep taking care of them for a week? after that, we'll take them back home with us. When we find a new home, we'll leave the address in the adventurer's guiild AND the college, so you can find it."
"Yes, dad"
"Alright, as for my new daugthers..." ~he looks at them with a critical eye~ "You" ~he says to Stella~ "are getting a haircut. And you are both going to start wearing shoes"
"B-but... master, I d-"
"And you are never calling me master again. I'm dad, alright?"
"...alright"
"Now let's go buy you shoes"

We spend the day in family (minus Elli and Linda, that were left in Albion), and dad has us take him around town and show him everything.

"Alright, this looks like a good, clean place. Eldric, Lyann, Zoe and Stella!"
""""Yes?""""
"If you need anything, come find us here, but first knock on the door, alright?"

We blush a little, but the girls nod

2/?

>>35717314
daww.
dad is awesome.

>>35717314
uhhh continuity error Linda is are mom right how did she stay home if shes with dad

also we have the best dad

>>35717314

We better get another sibling in 9 months, or twins.

We should talk a dad about the brutal level slavery going on at some point and see what can be done. Ask oakaba to see what causes it.

>>35717314
Dad's awesome. Though he is right. Sad fact of the matter is, one can never save everyone.

>>35717438
true but we can show them a better way to strive for
hope is a fire lets watch it turn into an inferno

>>35717481
>hope is a fire lets watch it turn into an inferno
Is your room plastered with motivational posters?

Who talks like this?

>>35717502
no but i like fire

>>35717502
One can stand to be optimistic from time to time.

>>35717556
If one enjoys disappointment, perhaps.

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Eh, just a mistype. I meant Athena stayed home with Elli, obviously

>>35717314

That night, Zoe joined up and we all played together in the tub.
It would be the last time, she said.

Well, it's nice having lots of siblings.

The following morning, we meet with dad for lunch. He informs us of everything that has happened on his side. He made a deal with the shipwright dwarf, and it moved his shop to Eopolis. Since the city has several shipyards, adapting one to his needs, rather then building a completely new one.

Grandpa has decided that if the first three light cruisers prove successful, he will comission a large skyship to use as the family's new stronghold, a flying skyship he's already named the "Crusader", even if not even the blueprints exist for it, at the time.

"How much is that going to cost?"
"I don't know, but your grandpa says he's had it with the nobles in the city. The Crusafer will cruise over all the coalition territories it is accepted into, and act as a mobile fortress against roaming bandits, deserters, and of course, monsters."
"Does that means he is selling the keep?"
"I... don't know. I know you haven't even seen it, but I feel it is part of your heritage and have a right to live on it if you want."

That week was fun. We had lunch with dad and mom at the inn, and sometimes dad joined us in the dungeon. Sometimes he dragged mom along, as well.

When their 2nd honeymoon is over, mom announces that we are going to have a new family member in 9 months.

It's kind of embarrasing to see dad and mom kiss, but it's not a bad thing.

>>35717481
http://youtu.be/577vrtihGKE?list=PLUpD4B1hKXBbToO4OP1fqb8mgKbO6nwhH

>>35717572
Well you do need some optimistic people, evens the spread. Normally the pessimists are right and they (should) occupy most of the population but sometimes they ain't lying and acting pessimistic was actually the incorrect choice.

It's why some animals keep the ones with inferior genes around. If a large change happens they might be the winners. Gotta plan ahead and hedge the bets, that's how you win at survival.

>>35717594
thank you for the video here is what i was listing to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPD0ZBiMs0

Btw, this makes me think of the day dad dies
http://youtu.be/uK9cLbyXTRo

>>35717594
At the end of the day, Zoe and Stella squeeze us into a hug. They each have at least 4 Eldric plushies (which dad finds the best thing ever). Mom got Lyann to make her 6

As they board the carriage and leave Opal city towards Albion, we know a lot of our heart goes in that carriage.

Well, we have a full 2 more months of vacations
* Go check on the orcs
* Check on Okaba's research on the ring
* Other

>>35717594
I propose we petition grandpa to rename his sky stronghold to [Chaos Breaker], then get to summoning a bunch of stupidly powerful familiars.

Did we get dad's opinion on the Orcs and the supply chain?

>>35717742
>* Check on Okaba's research on the ring

>>35717742
>* Check on Okaba's research on the ring

haha mom got her to make 6

>>35717742
>* Check on Okaba's research on the ring
We can check on the orcs right after.

Wait, does this mean that we're not going to have our own personal airship?

>>35717742
>* Go check on the orcs
This effects the war effort.

Including how long dad has to fight until the enemy has to fall back for lack of supplies or whether he has to retreat because they don't

>>35717742
>* Check on Okaba's research on the ring

Find out what progress he made. Then it is time to investigate the orcs some.

>>35717742
2 full more months... wow. How long have we been on vacation so far, and how much have we leveled up?

>>35717594
>Have a son
>Have a daughter
>Son adopts 3 more daughters
>Have a new child on the way
so... 6 children total? ha, nice.

>>35717742
>* Go check on the orcs

>>35717742
>* Check on Okaba's research on the ring
Ask him about cursing set cards like succubus/incubus.

>35717742
>* Go check on the orcs

>>35717742
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3T7-VbfYLU
this is what im gonna listen to when that day die

>>35717854
>son plans to marry all the adopted daughters

>>35717921
>son plans to marry all the daughters
FTFY

>>35717921

This view changes on the time of the thread and how vocal some people are.

>>35717967
>dad kills us in our sleep for attempting forbidden love

>>35717742
Lyann should sell plushies, she'd be rich.

>>35717999
kek aint that the truth

>>35717999
I will forever advocate that we should marry Mako.

>>35718045
you think she wont be a wife

>>35718045
we have decided to marry her a while ago.
of course, Lyann is still best girl. we can't break her heart.

>>35718054
Waifu, son. The term is waifu.

>>35718045

I think Mako and Lyann are the only 2 that currently seem to be set in stone.

>>35718084
i always misspell it tho

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>>35717750
He thinks that the orcs may be ready to switch allegiances, now that the Alquians have begun demanding more and more from them, at a pace they just cant stand.

Their casualties are tremendous and nearly catastrophic

But, offering a hand to the orcs will probably sour things with the dwarves a bit, and definitively make a future alliance with the elves impossible for a long time. At least how humans measure time

>>35717854
well, you know, for medioeval times, 6 children is just a good number

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/182238?tags=kim_hyung_tae jesus this guy draws huge pics. I like his shoes, they're fun

Okaba welcomes us with a smile. He has made a couple of shades that allow him to see the slots on items, but he cant get the identify effect from the ring.

At least, not for free.

"I think that I could enhance these (shades) so that by using a littlemana, we could get more info from whatever we are studying, but not for free the way your ring does"
"Well, that is quite good, still."
"It just irks me, knowing someone else did it and I cant"
"Well, we dont know how long it took. I thin these shades are great progress for just a little under a month of work"
"You think so?"
"Yeah"

Oh, I just noticed the time. Sorry guys but I need to get my eyedrops and go to bed.
I'll see you tomorrow.
Archiving the thread now. Will leave this open to check if you have any comments or questions

Also, I assume you dont include Athena in "all the daugthers"

>>35718108
night, thanks for running.

>Also, I assume you dont include Athena in "all the daugthers"
I only mentioned it once as a joke.

>>35718108
good no athena is not included she will be dealing with an over protective brother tho

>>35718108
Thanks for running

>>35718171
i meant this as god no

>>35717967
No. We caring and loving older brother now

>>35718282
that was a joke. i explicitly said so.

>>35718282
VERY loving

>>35718108
>Scan Shades
Are lenses and binoculars a thing, yet? Because if we combine those two and make long-distance scanning a thing...that wins wars.

>>35718623
And then if you automate that to go directly into the chat helmet...

>>35718282
Pretty much, though Lyann is a contestant in the Eldricbowl. She's a bit older, but beautiful enough and old enough to not have the problem that a sociolgist stated. Can't remember the name of it, but he did a study of the Kibbutz and found it odd that children in the same pool seldom married anyone within it. Something about critical years and the like.

Would appreciate it if someone knew the name, but I believe Lyann wouldn't have triggered it within herself, for we were already well past the point of it given how we're mentally way older than 9.

>>35719065
Oh, same guy, but I just thought of something. Provided that our knowledge of it hasn't degraded to a critical degree. We should totally teach our buddies "English" as a code language. Alphabet and all. A totally alien language, so long as it ain't associated with Lovecraftian cults we got some serious shit we never really considered.

Hell, for all we know it may be a language of power. To speak it, is to shape the world much like "High Speech" Atlantian is in WoD. Something to look into at least.

>>35719175
that...is incredibly suspicious.

How do you plan on introducing it? "Hey, I just thought of a code language we could use. I have a whole dictionary of terms already memorized."

biiiiiit of a stretch. Maybe teach the alphabet first to Okaba, then do word-of-the-day stuff so it's believable.

>>35719253
You first introduce them to the concept. The world is but a collection of cyphers, of symbols. Can't really deny that, codes are a very useful thing. A nod, a gesture, a syllable, all contain meaning to those who are in the know.

The best cyphers are not known commonly, they are beyond the un-initiated. Lucky you are, that a true member of the circle deems you worthy of these secret rites.

A new language, a new way of conception. We could have entire conversations right next to our enemies without them understanding a single word. The ways they could misinterpret "profane" language like "Fuckin' A'" or "Hell yeah!", it is a most covert form of revolution.

A secret that is anything but... Shit may happen because of it...

>>35719752
So give the impression that it's an invention, then "develop" it slowly as a "hobby" by looking at a normal dictionary and remembering the english version. Sounds plausible.

>>35719802
It gives a kind of novelty. One of the girls could get really into writing "fiction" and use our native tongue as a "fantasy" language.

May not do a damn thing, but that we have access to such a tongue can work out for us in any number of ways. This is but one of them. A full language in the head ain't nothing to sneeze at.

Depends, how important is a secret communication.

Does that helm allow us to keep secret chat also?

What else should we bring into the world then? I know I have been pushing for dyes/perfumes for money, other then that do you think we could make a simple steam engine? I know the QM mentioned it on the first few threads as a way to unlock craftsman. Would be good for airship propulsion

>>35720129
I'm still hesitant about the really big industry stuff. We don't have enough political influence to keep it in check.

Luxury stuff like dyes, perfumes, and soaps should be safe, although we may get raided at some point.

What about figurines and paints? If we can make a plaster or resin, casting figurines shouldn't be too difficult. Then, as more people buy, we start selling really high quality figurines carved with magic. Just make a summon in the shape we're looking for, then match the figurine to that.

>>35720259

Well, remember, once we do something one time, we can easily make a lot with the craftsman job.

Something like an engine I would likely make one, give it to dad and then to gramps and let them worry about it

>>35720383
>give it to dad and then to gramps and let them worry about it
Can they be trusted with an industrial revolution?

>>35721175

Probably. Both of them as shown are both very moral

>>35718108
>He thinks that the orcs may be ready to switch allegiances, now that the Alquians have begun demanding more and more from them, at a pace they just cant stand.
>Their casualties are tremendous and nearly catastrophic
>But, offering a hand to the orcs will probably sour things with the dwarves a bit, and definitively make a future alliance with the elves impossible for a long time. At least how humans measure time

Shows the political consequences of trying to make peace with the orcs are above our heads, especially as an 8 year old.

We should find something else to do in dwarf town.

we had the following rumors to play with.

>* A master craftsman has brought back the secret for making flying ships from his trip to the far east. (solved, he is employed now)
>* Some elf slaves have been dissapearing as of late (you solved this one already)
* There's rumours of orcish war parties closer to the city than they have been in the last hundred years. The locals blame the Alquian empire, saying they are supporting the orcs (above, politics too much for us)
>* There are rumours about some of the plants in the reserves coming alive and attacking woodchickers. People is worried the fine woods industry is in danger. (killed murder tree)
>* There are rumours of a Cauldron of Plenty supplying the Alquian troops with food supplies (We got more info on it, passed it on)

We could of course go to the temple and get our priest jobs unlocked if we hit 20 healer and then find out more on what causes slavery. As that is pretty obviously is something that upset us.

>>35718623
binoculars, yes, but theyre considered a toy

Also, good morning

>>35724807
Good morning.

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>>35719175>>35719752

considering the nature of the world, I thought that would be A++, AMIGA, ALF, Python, BASIC, C+, or so

<-- what do you call these shoes? btw the machete things are called butterfly swords, theyre actually a "thing". Was surprised

>>35724807
Morning.

Weird, spy glasses were considered very important in our past.

Probably another case where the world gets distorted by being more game like.

I have a question on being a craftsman, it sounds like if you have made something once you can just use mana to make it again. Does that mean a craftsman can more safely make things then they would at this time in our world? We'll other then doing it for the first time. Probably having the right equipment speeds up the process too. Complex mechanisms probably need to be made gear by gear too.

>>35724864
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geta_%28footwear%29

>>35724807
Good morning OP, I just came back from university, I'll check the archives for yesterday and will join you tonight.

Also, we should try and talk with the orcs about going neutral, so it won't cause too much trouble with elves and dwarves. Maybe if we can't promise them aid in case of Alquians' reitaliation, we could try to help them build a defensive line without forcing them to emigrate. We should really talk to them about this.

>>35724907
Aren't they already neutral? I got the impression they were selling metal to the empire because it was profitable.

>>35724934
Yeah, I don't remember very well exactly. We should talk to them about that, then, we just need to convince them to stop selling their metal to the Alquian Empire

I've been reading Sheldbro recently due to recommendations from this thread, and just got to chapter 80.

Goddamn was it satisfying to see trash and bitch be humiliated.

>>35724967 again, the Alquians are using ore to feed the cauldron, right?

>>35724983
Yeah. We don't even need to permanently stop shipments of ore. Critical supply shortages should happen after less than a month, given what we've learned about the enemy army's situation.

Maybe negotiate a 2 month purchasing agreement for their ore. Send it to the dwarves or albion or something.

>>35724998
I wonder if the forest elves have any need of metal? We could perhaps work on improving relations between them and grandad's country by funneling the stuff we get from the orcs to them.

>>35724998
>Maybe negotiate a 2 month purchasing agreement for their ore. Send it to the dwarves or albion or something.

Yeah, if we offer them more, they should not have a reason to refuse.

>>35724872
you always need the materials, tho

I imagine plushies ask for yarn balls, cloth, and love?

>>35724864
Tetsu Geta

like the heavy iron shoes to build leg strength?

>>35724907
i can save you some time. Had a huge argument about aging Stella because she felt retarded compared to Zoe, and two guys got into full asshole mode and I was too tired to tell them to fuck off lastnight, so I just did a compromise where she gets aged later (for sure, tho)

Also killed a dungeon boss and got two legendary loots

>>35724972
yeah, the history gets less annoying for a while. Eventually the queen gives shield bro his own earldom and land where raphtaella's village was and he starts buying slave children to raise there and rebuild the town. You know, other survivors, then starts looking for adults but the adults try to run away so he has to get sort of mean, and then an alchemist shows up and starts cloning super monsters for shieldbro to use as his private army since the other heroes are MIA and hes gonna have to deal with the waves alone, it seems and for the love of god, why didint anyone just think of forbidding bitch to LIE? would solve so many problems

>>35725228
>Also killed a dungeon boss and got two legendary loots

Cool, what about the dungeon heart?

>>35725301
they didint since that would kill the foodgeon and obviously piss off the dwarves

>>35725314
Oh, sounds fair then. Did we at least examine it with the ring?

>>35725228
I was so sad I was working and couldn't make fun of them :(

I was thinking about this world, if plants/animals poof and drop loot would this world have oil? or natural gas. ?

>>35725228
>two guys
You think all of last session was because of two guys?

>>35724257
>moral
that's not exactly what I was worried about. It's the "capable of keeping this from going out of control" I'm worried about. Like hyper-aggressive arms race, or breaking the market and causing a huge divide between first-adopters and everyone else.

>>35724807
good, because I don't think chemical engineers know how to grind a lens.

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>>35725336
the heart? no, noone thought of it. Also, Okaba and Eldric 2-shot the boss with dragonforce so didint had time to use all those wonderful traps and cc and mechanisms of doom I had in store

So sad. Noone died

>>35725378
uhmm... i guess not? thats decomposed bodies, mostly, right? at least oil is, i dont think gas is, unless you want to use methane gas

<--- I really like her dress. Maybe we could get something like this for Lyann, in white and pink, tho

>>35725462
>So sad. Noone died
that is why i voted to 2 shot it

>>35725462
You could've went with the repeated suggestions to dragon force/die for power it. Eldric would've died then.

>>35725462
>the heart? no, noone thought of it.

What? That's too bad, I really want to get more info about them, how long is it going to take for the boss to respawn? We could also just do it again for the drops and experience in the near future.

>So sad. Noone died

Come on now, you are really pushing us for bishop, aren't you? What about we make Zoe one?

Also oil is usually made of fresh olives, which are grinded to extract it.

>>35725462
We'll just have to find a way to repurpose or transform undead spawns into "Oily Ooze" and use that in place of crude oil. At the very least it could have a drop that could be used, barring mad science shenanigans with a combustion engine and a regeneration spell.

>>35724907
>>35724934
>>35724967
>>35724998
>be told that the orcs are about to switch sides on their own
>be further told that messing around with it will sour relations with allies and attempts to make peace with a third nation
Seriously, don't mess with the orcs.
They're already neutral right now, and as long as we don't mess up anything by trying to do anything about it, they'll naturally switch to our side without pissing off the dwarves or elves.

Any attempt to negotiate with the orcs is just asking for this to get worse, not better.

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>>35725484
meh he has an angel ring, so wouldnt have really made much difference>>35725520

>how long is it going to take for the boss to respawn?
like 1/2 a day, but we went ahead in time about 3 weeks so it should have long ago respawned anyway

>>35725520
>What about we make Zoe one?
Funny enough I was thinking of that, too. What would be best for her? I honestly see her as the spiritual/mental type, but could also buy her going monk because thats a more balancer physical/spiritual path minus the religion bit

Also, would be able to draw her sprite much more like that leonmitchelle character. You know, shorts and a top

Oh that oil. I thought you meant the black gooey stuff ... petro... dont know the english word

>>35725462
so is soil erosion a big problem cause if plants aren't decaying forests would drop into pits/Vally?


all traditional farms would dam near be mine shafts. (like the soil drop during the dust bowl)

so that's why they need foodungeons!?

>>35725580
>>be told that the orcs are about to switch sides on their own
Except that isn't true.

>>35725581
Yeah Crude Oil gets processed into Petrol and other oil based products. There's also Cooking oil and vegetable oil which are not liquified remains dug from the pits of the earth to burn for energy.

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>>35725576
oh god it would be so funny to see you spawn zombies just to toss them into a grinder to make them into fuel

Something like, SOMEHOW stealing a entire spawn room from a dungeon, and place it on top of two giant grinders, upside down, so the zombies fall into the grinder each time

"Braaaiii- what the fuck!?"

I womder if zombie/monsters right activists or People for Etical Treatment of Abominations would sabotage us

>>35725581
>so wouldnt have really made much difference
We would've gotten dreadnaught!

Also I expect 14k or however much damage we would've done would be pretty impressive.

>>35725614
But it is the analysis of the person who has more information concerning the war and international relations than us.
>>35718108
>He thinks that the orcs may be ready to switch allegiances, now that the Alquians have begun demanding more and more from them, at a pace they just cant stand.

>>35725637
>But it is the analysis
No. it is your retarded interpretation of the analysis that has no actual basis in what was said.

>>35725621
Quite possibly. The way around it is to make sure the mob is a "mindless" mob of some sort. And since they respawn anyway and don't have a sanity to corrode, due to being mindless, there's no need to worry about their ethical treatment! Mind you it's a pretty morally shaddy thing to do, so it's not like I'm gonna advocate for Eldric to try it. Fun thought though.

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>>35725594
uhmm... thats clearly a problem i cant solve in an rpg mechanics world so lets just ignore it until someone comes up with an idea

<-- its a shame that, IIRC, magna carta was a shit game with good designs

>>35725643
>no actual basis in what was said.
Our dad said that "He thinks the orcs may be ready to switch allegiances".
That is right there a direct quote from King's post.
How is that interpretation wrong?

>>35725671
Eh, it's only an issue if soil erosion is actually a thing. Which it doesn't have to be. Just say the terrain types for the world are stable in and of themselves, and don't naturally change in a way similar to Earth.

>>35725694
>"He thinks the orcs may be ready to switch allegiances".
And then immediately talks about how the dwarves and elves don't want that. So the orcs may want to change, but if they approach the alliance dwarves veto it and if they approach the elves, they get turned into pincushions.

Their willingness to change is only important in that we could use it to force through a change that would otherwise not happen.

>>35725643
Eh, we were told that the orcs will likely stop backing the enemy because of the pressures to produce so much ore. I can see how someone could confuse that for switching sides.

The Orcs would still have pretty bad relations with the Coalition due to supporting their enemy and only backing out due to the costs. They won't be friends or allies to the coalition even once they pull their support. Getting them to agree to an armistice or trade deal of some sort would probably help relations with them in the future but it's a prickly situation due to bad blood with the dwarfs and elves. If we tried to influence the situation at all it'd be best to do so through Honoria and convince her that making inroads towards the civilized orcs will have a net benefit for her kingdom and the coalition at whole (they won't turn back to raiding, they can become a source of trade, they will be less inclined to support enemies etc). That's a tall order though, and I'd not expect an easy success.

>>35725671
what if dungeons constantly produce new ground within a range that's why cites are ult on top of them, so the city doesn't sink into the ground.

and nomads move so no one has notices this

thought this would also imply we could locate mega dungeons near mountains.

dungeons moving under the earth producing new land like volcano's in Hawaii.?

>>35725741
>convince her that making inroads towards the civilized orcs will have a net benefit for her kingdom and the coalition at whole
We don't know that yet. We've never even met an orc, so prejudging like this is a mistake.

I should note that the orcs might be convinced to become neutral instead of switching sides

also Orcs > Elves

>>35725793
Oh look, a namefag with a retarded opinion. How original.

>>35725671
Magna Carata was indeed a shit game. It didn't help that the main character showed his ass crack every time you wanted to open a chest. The designs got pretty stupid here and there too. For example those foot tall platform shoes that you erased for the pdf image.

>>35725741
About the best we could really do is get the to back away from their ally. However geting some sort of peace deal would be rather hard, I am not sure the dwarfs want it right away after a war.

The dwarfs and elves may feel they are owed reperations

>>35725776
I think im gonna go with someone else's suggestion that the gods created the world and didint add erosion, so a "jungle hex" will be forever a jungle hex

ooh, I think I got the big thing for priests/shrine maidens now.

Devadasi can de-curse as their minor thing, and create/manipulate dungeons as their big thing

Priests and Shrine Maidens can change jobs/classes as their small thing, and manipulate terrain hexes as their big thing.

So a wealthy enough nation can replace "No man'd Land Hex" with "temperate grasslands" if they have enough money to offer to the gods in tribute

>>35725718
The elves and dwarves don't want someone actively trying to negotiate with the orcs to change sides.
The orcs are going to stop supporting the Empire even without our interference, and interfering could make the situation worse with no appreciable gain.

>>35725741
But the orcs are already civilized. They already have cities based around foodgeons.

>>35725793
>convinced to become neutral instead of switching sides
The orcs are already considering switching allegiances, why should we butt our heads in where it has a high likelihood of making things worse with no benefit?

>>35725777
I actually have two very different ideas for the orcs

On the one side, typically brutish barely cognitive people is the classical rpg trope

On the other side, the noble savage is popular, as well

Hell, for a while I was even thinking in making them somewhat snobby, tea-drinking 6" tall green-skinned brits with a tendency for violence, tho I blame DoW games for that.

>>35725813
Hey King, could you clarify Dad's comments about the Orcs switching allegiances?
Is he expecting them to go Neutral?
Or has the Empire been throwing them into the meatgrinder and taking so much from them that they're actually considering doing a full allegiance switch and petitioning to join the Coalition?

>>35725802
Oh look, a retard with a namefag opinion. How original.

>>35725865
>noble savage
Please no. Thrall Jesus was enough of this shit for ten lifetimes.

>>35725811
Did you play Tera? elf and castanic female heavy armor is hilarious

>>35725886
>armor
I mean, there are some metal bits. Usually. But that's an awfully strong word for what they're wearing.

>>35725812
>The dwarfs and elves may feel they are owed reperations

The dwarves... MAYBE
The elves, DEFINITIVELY, but they think the coalition owes them a LOT because "the coalition brought the Alquians upon them" so they will push for heavy concesions and reparations from the coalition after the war.

I even have in mind the rude gesture grandpa is going to make with his right arm while throwing them the finger with his left hand.

>>35725837
I didn't suggest we do it, I pointed out that there are more options than just "ally with us or ally with them"

I stand by orcs being better than elves. the elves fucking went to war with us when we tried to help them because "hurr humans all bad".

Also, note that I didn't comment about the orcs vs dwarf thing. Strategically, its not worth messing the relationship with the dwarves. So any handling of this should start with the dwarves.

>>35725912

Elves may find themselves with no friends then. The coalition may make peace with the empire separately from the elves and the elves may be left fighting the war alone as they pissed everyone off quite well.

Elves may demand stuff from the coalition and grandad may walk away quite pissed off, after getting a separate peace leading to a cold war.

Elves may have to beg for help later then.

>>35725912
Now I'm angry, angry about elves.

>>35725912
sounds to me like the elves need a good conquering.

>>35725877
thats your fault for playing WoW. I was thinking Lineage 2, or maybe like the dragon race from tera... ah, Amani

http://youtu.be/0MRUO13e31Q

And what dad meant was that the orcs were going to quit working with the Alquian empire, but they are going solo. They dont like empires, as a whole. The Coalition doesnt looks any better to them than the Empire does. It has dwarves on it, after all

They did found hilarious that the elves arent on it, tho. They may go into raiding the elves since once the war ends, they wont have Coalition support, nor Empire support

>>35725865
How about having the orcs be a race that freed itself from dungeons? A moderately powerful few survived a dungeon's death and banded together raiding and doing the typical orc thing, then decided to help their population started raiding and killing dungeons with Orc floors. They're still very prone to violence and are clumsy with civilization but are trying to carve a place for themselves in the world with the skills and resources they have available. Plenty of bad blood with other races that still consider them base monsters and they treat other races the same way, kill 4 lootz. Just an idea. I can't remember if you mentioned their origin at all in setting yet so sorry if this idea can't fly.

>>35725929
Pretty much yeah, don't want to fuck up relationships with the dwarves, especially since no other race can match their ability to craft shit.

We should probably call them yellowstone instead of "the elves", we already know that there are non yellowstone elves that don't share their sentiments. Like the nomad elves who are basically amerindians.

>>35726009
>Orcs will raid yellowstone too
ha, so they go into 3 way war... all from their stupidity...
Shit, they could really use a coup detat by someone who isn't a total fucking moron.

>>35725877
orcs eat people, they are just savage, no nobility there.
the city orcs are a new thing, an aberration of orcs, they don't eat people, but they aren't savage nomads either. they are city dwellers.
I like that race =! culture

>>35726009
Sounds like the orcs are at the small city-state stage, no nations just a tribal city.

They would not trust dwarfs cause of prejudice.

I say we look into slavery instead. It strikes us more then the last bit of politics.

>>35726075
MY opinion > your opinion

>>35726182
agree

>>35726186
yea that or good hood what ever

>>35726055
I like that, have you read Drifters? basically, Jesus is the bad guy... I think.
Appeared and decided to save/civilize the orcs and goblins by giving them agriculture and such, and killing the humans because hes pissed about being crucified. And if you think thats wwird... well, its by the author of hellsing so, you know, can expect him to fuck with catholicism

http://bato.to/read/_/142897/drifters_ch33_by_utopia/2

>>35726182
>Sounds like the orcs are at the small city-state stage, no nations just a tribal city.
Right

>>35726220
Yeah I've read it up to the Jean fight. Bretty gud. WWII Zero Pilot cussing out Dragons while Hannibal hitches a ride with a couple of cowboys on their cart + Gatling gun while Nobunaga teaches the plebs the glory of turning shit into black powder.

>>35726220
ok, that sounds interesting. off to read it.

>>35726182
I agree, but one of the things about slavery is that we need to have multiple nations on board.
also, it is worth mentioning that nobody is even thinking about invading the empire, only killing their invading army. they will regroup and attack again.

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>>35726249
>Nobunaga teaches the plebs the glory of turning shit into black powder

yeah that made me laugh a lot

>>35726257
Yeah.

But elric needs to know what causes slavery and see through the church if perhaps humanism movement could be kicked off.

>>35726317
>But elric needs to know what causes slavery
what do you mean "what causes slavery"?
people cause slavery. Someone is a slave because another person told them they are.
refugee elves in dwarf city? 10 years of slavery
orphan? state makes you a slave
criminal? state makes you a slave
etc.

grandpa is pissed at all the nobles fucking around with him, i bet they are the first obstacle for us. we probably need to have a little civil war and become an actual king.

>>35726317
so take over church as living god?

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>>35726317
depends. I am not sure if I should mention this since its a huge spoiler but theres a cult around your family, known as the "Cult of Light" in the north with about 5 million followers, or about 1/3 of the Eopolitan population, which would be ready and willing to be Eldric's army if he said "we need to assrape the slave breeders".

>>35726346
why be king when you can

>>35726353

>>35726353
taking over sounds like it puts us at war with all the other gods, who are quite powerful and can do things we cannot comprehend

also, keep in mind that its not like divine ascension is necessarily impossible. We know that dungeons each have their own "dungeon god". so it sounds like a small gods type of scenario.

Also, the two are not mutually exclusive. A reasonable plan is
>Step 1: King
>Step 2: Emperor of entire world
>Step 3: Small God - divine ascension
>Step 4: Major God - what, you didn't think all gods were made equal?

>>35726392
well thanks for clearing that up you sure are a helpful QM

>>35726346

Well yeah, people enslave each other, but there are often things causing issues that that encourage it.
> No access to credit, so you sell your youngest to get medicine for the rest of the family.
> Slave collars used as a crutch for other issues.
> No pus on the immorality of keeping slaves from the church.
> Foodungeons mean agriculture is rare, also slowed up developement of things that increase value of labor.

>>35726363
Dad already warned us about that.
Told us to be careful of unintended consequences because so many people think our bloodline is divine.

>>35726363
You see that is an easy yet shortsighted solution. You *can* flat out ban certain practices, but that will only push them underground and likely increase overall violence within civilization. Just look at what prohibition did, never would have had Al Capone and the Mafia wouldn't have gotten so successful without it.

The best way is the slow but subtle change. Convince the people that such things are wrong. The reason slavery is so rare nowadays is because the average person now sees the practice as wrong in and of itself. Thus, they police themselves, rooting out and destroying slave owners whilst freeing the slaves they encounter.

You'll never totally eliminate such evil practices, but through the subtle route you ensure they are kept to a minimum. Violent prohibition just fucks shit up even more.

>>35726466
none of those stem from the church
none of those are solved by "taking over the church"

btw here are the raws for the continuation of the manga.
Sadly noone is translating them, but here they are

http://raw.senmanga.com/Drifters/46/

>>35726503
1. by that argument we should legalize murder and rape too.
2. muslims have had alcohol prohibition without any of those effects, details matter
3. USA prohibition on alcohol was a failure, but the modern prohibition on hard drugs and slavery in modern times works just fine. (for it. drug dealers in mexico are a huge problem fort he locals, funded through sneaking the drugs into the USA, and slave trading is a problem all over the world)
4. Gun bans exist and effectively keep populations disarmed in many western nations.

Basically, you need to consider the situation as a whole. As well as the effect of small changes accruing one after another. You don't just have a huge massive change overnight and expect it to have no issues. But you also can't just assume that change is impossible just because its hard.

>>35726503
>>35726736
Also worth mentioning

will banning child slavery 100% eliminate its existence? no
but it will vastly reduce it.

do you have a better plan that will reduce it more than making it illegal?

also, alcohol is a consumable. a slave is something you keep in your house. people notice.

>>35726685
No, but if you want a movement for good, the church is the best way to start here. I never said about taking over the church either. Just mostly starting or talking about a reform/humanist type movement.

Starting actual sentient rights discussion or movement would be a good thing and the church would be a good place to start as it has the furthest reach. Many of the priests would likely also be possatively disposed either way.

>>35726736

war on drugs is a failure.

Too costly to enforce, and drugs are far cheaper now than they ever have been. excluding weed, because that shit can grow anywhere.

>>35726736
>by that argument we should legalize murder and rape too.
dont know about rape, but murder has been legalized and regulated for a long time now, its called the "death penalty". Basically, only the state is able to decide on when it happens, and by extension, makes us all participants of it

mexico/USA

I wonder how long for the USians to start trying to flee into mexico and the mexican army to shoot them on sight to stop ebola from entering the country

>Gun bans
Ok I cant say this without sounding political, but I think gun bans are retarded. You end with law abiding citizens who are unarmed and criminals who are armed.

In my country, its 400 bucks for a gun license, yet hardly anyone bothers to have one.

I really am supportive of banning slavery of those under 16, tho. You know, only legal adults who have comitted crimes, tho I wonder, what happens to minors who have comitted crimes, then?

>>35726770
>war on drugs is a failure.
yeah but i dont see how thats related to the conversation

>>35726765
Some anons have been saying that.
>>35726353

>>35726770
The war on drugs is totally irrelevant to the argument, as is the availability of drugs.
The argument was about drug CARTELS and their power in the land. The claim was that drug cartels operate with impunity in any nation that has banned drugs. My counter argument is that it is not the case. The drug cartels operate with impunity in mexico, they do not in first world countries.

>>35726937
you know, I think the fact the drug cartels exist is proof enough that conspiracy theories are bullshit

If there was a big shadow government, wouldnt it be able to send an assassin to snipe a cartel boss through a wall with a high-powered sniper rifle from a mile away? and then the next guy to be in charge, and so on, until noone was?

Anyway, the new thread is here
>>35726936

Im gonna take a shower, you guys migrate whenever you want

>>35726882
>dont know about rape, but murder has been legalized and regulated for a long time now, its called the "death penalty
ending a life =! murder
it can be murder, or it can be something else. like an execution.

>Ok I cant say this without sounding political, but I think gun bans are retarded.
I 100% agree, but that has nothing to do with the argument in question.
>You end with law abiding citizens who are unarmed and criminals who are armed.
In the short term. In the long term some european nations have practically no guns at all, not even in the hands of criminals. They have 5x the violent crime rate, but that is done via knives and other melee weapons.
the point I was making is that it is possible for a ban to nearly eliminate the occurrence of a thing.
That doesn't mean that the results are positive, they are very much negative when you ban something good like guns. (yes, guns ARE good, without them the entire world would still be a feudal society. I am a card carrying member of the NRA)

>I really am supportive of banning slavery of those under 16, tho. You know, only legal adults who have comitted crimes, tho I wonder, what happens to minors who have comitted crimes, then?
that really depends on the crime in question.

>>35726968
>you know, I think the fact the drug cartels exist is proof enough that conspiracy theories are bullshit
>If there was a big shadow government, wouldnt it be able to send an assassin to snipe a cartel boss through a wall with a high-powered sniper rifle from a mile away? and then the next guy to be in charge, and so on, until noone was?
Heh... but what if that is what they want you to think? (sarcasm)
although, the NSA spying on everyone is one.
Heck, the snowden leak showed that the NSA has inserted spies into major companies to ensure that when they create international security and encryption standards, they use sub par ones that can be cracked.

>>35727005
>it can be murder, or it can be something else. like an execution.
oh, and another thing is can be is "self defense".

>>35726736
Way to strawman bro. Rape is also a poor example for your argument. People hate rape in general already, it has become part of the culture that rape is wrong. Anybody who was a known rapist would be eating lead from vigilantes if they weren't being locked up. Hell, even the other criminals look down on them. Rapists are near the bottom of the prison totem pole, only slightly above child molesters. The latter don't last very long in the general population, they shank those bastards, because that's so hated by everyone even other criminals hate it.

That's what you want, the general public hating a certain practice. That's what really keeps it down. If something is illegal, yet not hated, it will spawn a highly profitable criminal underground. That's what you want to avoid.